This system is still under development, but I thought it was advanced enough to post for others to explore.
I have also attached it as a Word doc because it's tidier like that.
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9 x 16 number groups each played in 8 splits:
Group 1 ) 0-2, 3-6, 8-11, 10-13, 17-20, 21-24, 26-29, 28-31
Group 2 ) 4-7, 5-6, 13-16, 14-15, 22-25, 23-24, 31-34, 32-33
Group 3 ) 0-3, 1-2, 9-12, 10-11, 18-21, 19-20, 27-30, 28-29
Group 4 ) 1-4, 5-8, 12-15, 14-17, 19-22, 23-26, 30-33, 32-35
Group 5 ) 1-4, 2-3, 10-13, 11-12, 19-22, 20-21, 28-31, 29-30
Group 6 ) 6-9, 7-8, 15-18, 16-17, 24-27, 25-26, 33-36, 34-35
Group 7 ) 2-5, 7-8, 11-14, 17-18, 20-23, 26-27, 29-32, 34-35
Group 8 ) 0-1, 7-10, 8-9, 16-19, 17-18, 25-28, 26-27, 35-36
Group 9 ) 3-6, 4-5, 12-15, 13-14, 21-24, 22-23, 30-33, 31-32
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Common groups (G) to numbers (N):
N G
0 ) 1-3-8
1 ) 3-4-5-8
2 ) 1-3-5-7
3 ) 1-3-5-9
4 ) 2-4-5-9
5 ) 2-4-7-9
6 ) 1-2-6-9
7 ) 2-6-7-8
8 ) 1-4-6-7-8
9 ) 3-6-8
10 ) 1-3-5-8
11 ) 1-3-5-7
12 ) 3-4-5-9
13 ) 1-2-5-9
14 ) 2-4-7-9
15 ) 2-4-6-9
16 ) 2-6-8
17 ) 1-4-6-7-8
18 ) 3-6-7-8
19 ) 3-4-5-8
20 ) 1-3-5-7
21 ) 1-3-5-9
22 ) 2-4-5-9
23 ) 2-4-7-9
24 ) 1-2-6-9
25 ) 2-6-8
26 ) 1-4-6-7-8
27 ) 3-6-7-8
28 ) 1-3-5-8
29 ) 1-3-5-7
30 ) 3-4-5-9
31 ) 1-2-5-9
32 ) 2-4-7-9
33 ) 2-4-6-9
34 ) 2,6,7
35 ) 4-6-7-8
36 ) 6-8
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Euro Matrix:
(Note: 0 & 33 share same position. If you land in this position you use the groups common to both, 1-2-3-4-6-8-9).
(link:://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr351/skakus/EuroMatrix.jpg)
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System:
Get 2 spins to start. Example, 34-31.
Track the movement of the last 2 numbers on the matrix. In this case the movement between 34 & 31 is 1 left and 3 down, or 3 down and 1 left.
Now starting from the last number (#31) repeat the movement 1 left and 3 down. 1 left is 14, and 3 down is 25 ( because we go down from 14 there is only 1 position (#7) so we go to the top of the matrix and count down 2 positions (#25)) .
The groups common to number 25 are now the target groups. These are groups 2-6-8.
We will now attempt to single out 1 group to flat bet for the next 2 spins, stopping on a win.
Go to the previous number out (#31) look at the common groups 1-2-5-9. Only group 2 is present in both. Group 2 becomes the first bet.
Next number out is 9, common groups 3-6-8 = loss 8 units.
Next number out is 34, common groups 2-6-7 = win 10 units ââ,¬â€œ profit 2 units.
End of bet 1. Repeat process.
Track the movement on the matrix. In this next case the movement between 9 & 34 is 3 up.
Now starting from the last number (#34) repeat the movement 3 up. 3 up from 34 is 9 (because we go up from 34 there is only 1 position (#19) so we go to the bottom of the matrix and count up 2 positions (#9)) .
The groups common to number 9 are now the target groups. These are groups 3-6-8.
We will now attempt to single out 1 group to flat bet for the next 2 spins, stopping on a win.
Go to the previous number out (#34) look at the common groups 2-6-7. Only group 6 is present in both. Group 6 becomes the next bet.
Next number out is 8, common groups 1-4-6-7-8 = win 10 units. Session profit = 12 units.
End of bet 2. Repeat process.
Track the movement on the matrix. In this next case the movement between 34 & 8 is 1 down and 1 right.
Now starting from the last number (#8) repeat the movement 1 down and 1 right. 1 down from 8 is 0/33, and 1 right from0/33 is 1.
The groups common to number 1 are now the target groups. These are groups 3-4-5-8.
We will now attempt to single out 1 group to flat bet for the next 2 spins, stopping on a win.
Go to the previous number out (#8) look at the common groups 1-4-6-7-8. Groups 4-8 are present in both, groups 3-5 are missing.
Now go to the previous number out (#34) look at the common groups 2-6-7. This is as far back as we go (last 2 numbers out), but at this point we can not single out only 1 group twice present. But you will notice that only group 9 is not represented in any of the 3 target groups. Group 9 now becomes the next bet.
Next number out is 23, common groups 2-4-7-9 = win 10 units. Session profit = 22 units.
End of bet 3. Repeat process.
Track the movement on the matrix. In this next case the movement between 8 & 23 is 1 right.
Now starting from the last number (#23) repeat the movement 1 right. 1 right from 23 is 10.
The groups common to number 10 are now the target groups. These are groups 1-3-5-8.
We will now attempt to single out 1 group to flat bet for the next 2 spins, stopping on a win.
Go to the previous number out (#23) look at the common groups 2-4-7-9. We can see immediately that only group 6 is not represented in either of the current target groups. Group 6 becomes the next bet.
Next number out is 25, common groups 2-6-8 = win 10 units. Session profit = 32 units.
End of bet 4. Repeat process.
Track the movement on the matrix. In this next case the movement between 23 & 25 is 4 left and 1 up.
Now starting from the last number (#25) repeat the movement 4 left and 1 up. 4 left is 34, and 1 up is 19.
The groups common to number 19 are now the target groups. These are groups 3-4-5-8.
We will now attempt to single out 1 group to flat bet for the next 2 spins, stopping on a win.
Go to the previous number out (#25) look at the common groups 2-6-8. Only group 8 is present in both. Group 8 becomes the next bet.
Next number out is 1, common groups 3-4-5-8 = win 10 units. Session profit = 42 units.
End of bet 5. Repeat process.
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Often the selection of the target group is quite clear, sometimes it is not so clear. Play around and experiment until you get the feel for it, or until you have experienced virtually every situation, then you will know which group should be bet every time. However, there are occasions when no bet is available. When this happens just skip the next spin then track the next movement.
This is not an easy system to master with much memorizing required, but sometimes the winning streaks are scary awesome. The brief example posted was of actual played live wheel results.
Good luck with it friends!
Thanks for posting your matrix system skakus.
A very nice touch to upload as doc also :thumbsup:
Appreciated!
You're welcome.
I've noticed the matrix did not make it through the upload and is missing from the doc file.
I will try to upload it again soon.
Alot of time went into this, thanks for posting!
Ken
I second what Ken just wrote :thumbsup:
Thank you taking the time to write all this for posting.
I sure wish I had your creativity but -- sadly -- I don't.
So the forum is very lucky to have you around.
Thats what I've always said. You have to think WAY OUTSIDE the box when creating a method. Whether its a winner or not, you have to be different. This IDEA posted, was not thought of 200 years ago but yet, you'll read that EVERY idea has been created/tested? I dont agree, I never will.
Ken
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 12, 04:29 PM 2010
You're welcome.
I've noticed the matrix did not make it through the upload and is missing from the doc file.
I will try to upload it again soon.
I'm not sure why the matrix is omitted from the doc file so re-attaching the file will likely not correct the issue so if you have downloaded it then the best thing to do is probably just copy and paste the matrix from this thread to the downloaded file on your 'puter.
@ Mr j & Esoito, thanks.
And yes the scope for out of the box roulette system ideas is vast indeed. No way has it all been thought of yet. The game has only been around for an instant ââ,¬â€œ plenty of time left for someone to crack this nut.
i think there is an error here:
Quote31 ) 1-2-5-9
32 ) 2-4-7-9
33 ) 2-4-6-9
34 ) 2-4-6-9
35 ) 4-6-7-8
36 ) 6-8
should be 2,6,7
Some questions.
1. For repeat numbers I assume we wait until there is a different number?
2. If the first 2 numbers are 13, 10. The number we will look at is 20.
20: 1,3,5,7
10: 1,3,5,8
13: 1,2,5,9
so after go back to look at the previous 2 numbers we still have 2 groups. 1 and 5 what do we do next we have 4,6 missing as well.
I think there is an error here:
Quote: Text
31 ) 1-2-5-9
32 ) 2-4-7-9
33 ) 2-4-6-9
34 ) 2-4-6-9
35 ) 4-6-7-8
36 ) 6-8
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should be 2,6,7
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Hi weddings,
Yes well spotted, friend. That is a copy paste error - it should be groups 2-6-7 common to number 34.
Thanks.
Quote from: weddings on Dec 15, 11:38 AM 2010
Some questions.
1. For repeat numbers I assume we wait until there is a different number?
2. If the first 2 numbers are 13, 10. The number we will look at is 20.
20: 1,3,5,7
10: 1,3,5,8
13: 1,2,5,9
so after go back to look at the previous 2 numbers we still have 2 groups. 1 and 5 what do we do next we have 4,6 missing as well.
Good questions and I should have mentioned the first one already.
1. For repeat numbers we do not wait for the next number. A repeat number simply means no movement on the matrix so the repeat number is the focal position for the next bet; this though is one situation that can lead to a no bet status, so you might end up skipping the next spin anyway.
2. When assessing the next bet the positional number, in this case #20 is always given the most ââ,¬Å"weightââ,¬Â, then #10, then #13.
Your example is one of those tricky situations where you are left with 2 common groups and 2 missing groups which have not singled out a bet. In cases like this you can skip a spin, or switch and look for a missing group between 20-10, then 20-13. Here you can see that 20 & 10 have 1-3-5 as common groups, leaving group 7 as the missing group from the most ââ,¬Å"weightedââ,¬Â #20 groups. Group 7 would be the bet in this situation.
It should be obvious that this system has its foundations in numeronomy. There is also a level of subjective decision making, so the system is inherently elastic. This means it is not the end of the world if you make a wrong decision and so bet the wrong group occasionally. Even a wrong bet has a good chance of success being 16 numbers possibly bet twice.
Like I said if you play this system you will need to familiarize yourself with all possible situations to become proficient.
It is by no way complete either with lots of room for tweaking and improvement.
Thanks, weddings.
Quote from: Skakus on Dec 15, 04:12 PM 2010
I think there is an error here:
Quote: Text
31 ) 1-2-5-9
32 ) 2-4-7-9
33 ) 2-4-6-9
34 ) 2-4-6-9
35 ) 4-6-7-8
36 ) 6-8
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should be 2,6,7
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Edited.
Hey folks while I try to be the most useful, don't rely on the admin reading EVERY topic around right away! :)
Better use the PM facility :thumbsup:
Cheers!
Vic
For those for whom the link doesn't work, maybe this will bring it forward.
Lordy, Lordy, this is Voodoo of the highest order. I'm higher'n a cheap kite!!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 17, 10:54 AM 2012
>> Lordy, Lordy, this is Voodoo of the highest order. I'm higher'n a cheap kite!!
Thanks, TwinFelineFella.
I'll take that as a compliment. ;D
Something so eloquent--well, I must walk this puppy around the block.
So many systems; so little time.
TFF
Hi Sam.
This puppy’s definitely worth a walk around the block. I only posted the link because of the connection to the group betting thread link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/1/group-of-numbers-betting/9661/msg82408#msg82408 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/general-discussion/1/group-of-numbers-betting/9661/msg82408#msg82408) and I thought it might help people with ideas.
This bet selection method came about some time ago while in discussion with the old VLS member, Number Six.
You might think its voodoo, and you’d be mostly right, but it does directly combine wheel order movement & table layout movement. It is only a selection guide and people are free to steer it where they will. It is one of my preferred down-time bets while tracking for other unconnected opportunities.
I usually aim for the single common group, but will also consider the single missing group. I advise never looking beyond the numbers directly related to the current movement, which includes the last 3 results not counting repeats.
When there is no clear bet I usually, but not always, let the last bet repeat for as long as it takes to find a new bet, or it loses more than I’m comfortable with. After all you are betting on 16 numbers, so there are rarely long stretches of losses, and usually another group takes over before you $hit yourself.
Like I said, definitely worth a walk around the block even if just for ideas sake.
Quote from: MrJ on Dec 12, 06:32 PM 2010
Thats what I've always said. You have to think WAY OUTSIDE the box when creating a method. Whether its a winner or not, you have to be different. This IDEA posted, was not thought of 200 years ago but yet, you'll read that EVERY idea has been created/tested? I dont agree, I never will.
Ken
This IDEA posted, was not thought of 200 years ago but yet, you'll read that EVERY idea has been created/tested?
Love this line MR J.
Personally Skakus idea method was just to much from the word go, so i just skiped to the other posts, thought you sumed it up nicely,No disrespect Skakus, think a method needs to be simple,just plain simple, something like supa dupa unique d/s,that tanks,or 147 also tanks, but, but these methods make good money to take the hit, but one gets fed up with being hit,
you never know proof or ignatus might find the H.G. .............. LOL
link doesnt work
Quote from: richbailey86 on Sep 26, 06:36 PM 2014
link doesnt work
Not many attachments have survived from 4 years ago, but if you read the post you would have noted that all the information in the doc file is there on the page.