Today(before 3-4 hours) I saw my math teacher that was teaching in my high school!
I hadn t seen him for about 20 years!!!
I was his favourite pupil(no because I was the best in maths lol) and he was so happy that he saw me after all these years!
We went on a cafe,because he was curious about what i was doing all these years and what was my proffecion etc.
The talking brought Roulette on the table... ;D When he heard the word Roulette his eyes become BIG...lol.
I told him that I was sad because it is a maths unbeatable game.
He told me "why u say that it is unbeatable?"
I was astonished!
Anyway I don t want to say more...the point is that he told me about a system that he had developed and he told me that he is a professional Roulette player for about 10 years! :o
He explained to me the system.
It involves POSIBILITIES and a VERY SAFE PROGRESSION.
PPL I am testing like hell!!! :P
I have tested about 1.500 continious spins (I don t bet on every spin it has trigger to make the posibilites for its favour)
The BR needed is 60 chips.
The winning target is 30 chips
The loss stop is 60 chips(as the BR)
He explained to me that No system on planet can win in every visit because Randomness is doing some funny things some times.
But with the thing that this system is based on is so rare to lose in a visit.
In these 1.500 spins I haven t lose 1 single time the 60 chips.
210 triggers ALL winners without losing the 60 chips....
210 triggers and I am + 364 chips! Biggest down in a trigger was -42 chips and it recovered with profit.
+364 chips is about 12 visits! with 0 visit loss!
if i will lose 1 time...who cares... ;D
MY teacher told me that in 10 years he had played about 1200 visits.
and he remembers(keep record) only the losing visits and they were exactly 197.
so I did the maths(lol) and IF he was playing these 10 years with just 5$ chips:
he had won 150.450$
he has lost 59.100$
So 91.350$ NET PROFIT :o
Holly shit!!!!!!
ps.Not bad for a math teacher....LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Wow Jordan, this sounds really good!!!
Please post the method as soon as you can so we can have a go too.
Best of luck,
CashGrowth.
ok after I won an other session(+30) I had a loss of -60.
Till now it is hell PROFitable!!!
so the system
After a dozen(I guess its same for Column) has NOT hit in the last 4 spins we bet on this dosen with the folowing way untill we are in profit
We are betting the dozen with 1 chip ...if it will lose we are betting 1 more time with 1 chip again.
If we will win 1 of the 2 bets we are +.
If the dozen didn t show up we are betting 2 chips ...if it will lose we are betting one more time 2 chips on it.
so we are betting 1 1, 2 2 ,3 3,4 4 etc.
After a win,IF we are not + we are continuing betting on the same dozen(with the same formula 2 times ) but we are decreazing by 1 chip....if the 2 bets will not win,we are increazing by 1 chip.
we are doing this untill we are +.
eg .
1 1 lost
2 2 lost
3 3 win
2 win = we are + :)
It is winning because the progression is mild and because each time that we have a miss on this dozen ,the probability is rising!
Don t be samazed when u will be watching that after several misses u will be win on that dozen 2-3 times concecutively!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hehe always the last person you expect :P We will be here reading when you are ready to post it so we all can do some testing =)
I was a little late.
Thanks for sharing mate, I will test it out now =)
How long do you go in progression?
1,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5,6,6,7,7 = 56 units
RNG or live wheel?
LIVE wheel only!!! RNG is joke!
u are betting until u are + or untill u are - 60.
Simple
Okey mate, I will try it out.
But there will be times when a dozen sleeps for 18 spins or more and then we lose 60 units. but that isn't so often. I like the idea..
Thanks Jordan, I quite like the safe progression, this method sounds pretty stable.
Best wishes,
CashGrowth.
he told ,me that we can t win every session.
ok enough from me for today.
I tested 17 sessions
2 of them lost.
+450
-120
so +330 chips profit. :)
Lost on playtech 1st session. yes, it is a losing system as i understood it. I tried it after on RX as well, lost bankroll on first first session. U say if u won progression, but lost money, u continue to bet the same dozen?
thanx for sharing.
Playtech is RNG!!!!
I think u haven t understood the system
if one dozen hits four or more times in a row (happens constantly) than that means two of the dozens have missed four times, so which of the two dozens do we pick to start the bets on?
None...this isn t a rigger
hi i think i know your meaning about I am not 100% sure I will post numbers taken from dublinbet. hope you can add your bet selections/bett wagered that will clarify our doubts.
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31 L L W
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33 L L W
18 L W L
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35 L L W
31 L L W
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29 L L W
28 L L W
16 L W L
31 L L W
27 L L W
13 L W L
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32 L L W
17 L W L
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21 L W L
5 W L L
32 L L W
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11 W L L
12 W L L
17 L W L
3 W L L
15 L W L
29 L L W
16 L W L
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16 L W L
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16 L W L
33 L L W
20 L W L
14 L W L
29 L L W
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33 L L W
29 L L W
31 L L W
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22 L W L
34 L L W
32 L L W
26 L L W
3 W L L
23 L W L
34 L L W
23 L W L
5 W L L
25 L L W
13 L W L
36 L L W
9 W L L
10 W L L
7 W L L
15 L W L
32 L L W
19 L W L
31 L L W
18 L W L
9 W L L
23 L W L
30 L L W
12 W L L
31 L L W
12 W L L
15 L W L
8 W L L
10 W L L
8 W L L
26 L L W
20 L W L
29 L L W
17 L W L
11 W L L
36 L L W
18 L W L
9 W L L
17 L W L
2 W L L
21 L W L
28 L L W
12 W L L
11 W L L
2 W L L
27 L L W
25 L L W
4 W L L
8 W L L
10 W L L
18 L W L
7 W L L
28 L L W
12 W L L
4 W L L
13 L W L
23 L W L
31 L L W
33 L L W
2 W L L
18 L W L
2 W L L
5 W L L
31 L L W
35 L L W
24 L W L
22 L W L
30 L L W
25 L L W
36 L L W
29 L L W
9 W L L
21 L W L
8 W L L
24 L W L
29 L L W
19 L W L
3 W L L
16 L W L
19 L W L
8 W L L
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32 L L W
19 L W L
36 L L W
33 L L W
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31 L L W
3 W L L
30 L L W
29 L L W
30 L L W
30 L L W
3 W L L
12 W L L
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30 L L W
14 L W L
10 W L L
31 L L W
26 L L W
1 W L L
20 L W L
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7 W L L
9 W L L
29 L L W
13 L W L
7 W L L
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23 L W L
23 L W L
32 L L W
35 L L W
5 W L L
32 L L W
5 W L L
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2 W L L
3 W L L
19 L W L
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7 W L L
27 L L W
18 L W L
29 L L W
5 W L L
22 L W L
14 L W L
27 L L W
16 L W L
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25 L L W
18 L W L
15 L W L
19 L W L
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24 L W L
23 L W L
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20 L W L
15 L W L
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27 L L W
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16 L W L
14 L W L
20 L W L
17 L W L
36 L L W
5 W L L
8 W L L
33 L L W
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10 W L L
26 L L W
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4 W L L
34 L L W
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36 L L W
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haha!
and u want me to sit now and calculate all this?
:D
just show us the first few spins will do=]
Quote from: Jordan link=topic=321. msg2141#msg2141 date=1277296697
None. . . this isn t a rigger
what do you mean? you said one dozen or column has to miss four times before we start betting on it. do you only start betting on a dozen when only the other two have hit in the last four spins twice each or one hits one time and the other three times?
Yes, I have tested it this way. Wait for a dozen to sleep 4 spins, start bet on it if the other 2 dozens have hit in that 4 spins, otherwise don't bet. Then you wait until you have 2 different dozens in the last 4 spins.
I tested this a little, I always stop if in profit or if I am at even.
Spins/result/highest progression
145 spins, +30 '4
107 spins, -60 '7 didn't recover
185 spins, +30 '5
175 spins, +30 '5
All tests was in RX
That one who failed didn't recover for 500 spins, tested it. Went up to 26 in progression :P
Will do some more testing.
Quote from: Fripper on Jun 23, 10:43 AM 2010
That one who failed didn't recover for 500 spins, tested it. Went up to 26 in progression
At times the best thing to do is "letting it go"...
That is still a lot of spins for just +30. I might even quit before that. Maybe by quitting earlier, that one session that lost would be a winner?
let's get this clear. . if in any stage of the prog there is a hit but the result is not in profit you decrease one level and continue the same way until in profit ?
Jordan, i understand about rigged RNG. I was playing playtech LIVE. your system is a loser buddy, u will find it on a long run. So far u have been lucky. I wish u have
a good luck always, but this system is not a winner on a long run
its not my system
read the 1st post again
Ye, those who seems to not recover is better just letting go. Like the one I had, it never recovered. It was to boring to continue even more, I was down like 400 units. But I just wanted to check for if it recovered.
But ey, the testings that I did was like this:
I waited for a dozen to sleep 4 times, if 2 of the other dozen had hit in those 4 spins, I bet. (Not i only 1 dozen hit for 4 times)
If I was in profit or at even, I started to record 4 new spins and spinned until a dozen had slept 4 times again, and so on, over and over.
So the spins I provided is maybe a little missleading, if you know what I mean. It can be alot less spins..
And I agree with you keel44, I think it's better to stop way earlier. Maybe 15-20 units. Even 10..
But I don't think that this is a winner in the long run, unfortunately.
I have had similar success over the last ten years its called THE ZONE. Your teacher like myself realized that when approached from an unconventional angle. This game indeed can be beaten. Well done to him. Maybe I need him with me in Vegas next july. There are a few casinos that need to be shaken up a little.
I think it could be winner if you switch the dozens. Follow the last dozen. After all, a dozen can go cold anytime. Why not follow the last and take advantage of trends?
KEEL
Quote from: Jordan on Jun 23, 02:01 PM 2010
its not my system
read the 1st post again
well, i did not mean to blame u or smthg, u made a good thing sharing the stuff with us, thank u Jordan.
I just don't want the guys to be overconfident with that system cause i feel the roulette can play tricky stuff with some people. I am certain this a losing system and i warn all of u who think it can win a long run. Example of Jordan and some other guys shows that a losing system can have a long "wave of luck". Then when u decide to place big bets u may get some cold shower. So i suggest each of u guys who is gonna use this stuff regularly, check it carefully on a long run. Day or 2 is not the answer.
I already had systems which i considered to be winner, they were winning for a few days
for hours each day. Then a nasty surpise came.
There is so called "Fisher system" with some incredible story of a French gentleman which won millions in Monte-Carlo with it, and it seems to work just fine till u lose all your winnings and some more.
Quote from: keel44 on Jun 23, 03:33 PM 2010
I think it could be winner if you switch the dozens. Follow the last dozen. After all, a dozen can go cold anytime. Why not follow the last and take advantage of trends?
KEEL
that's right, and any dozen can become cold anytime. And dozens do it all the time.
And a dozen maybe get gold for long time, then wake up (an u think now it is gonna HIT!) and then get cold again...And it may happen even a few times in a row. Remember dozens don't have a straight connection with a wheel. Even if a wheel will hit sectors in a certain order, very likely dozens still will behave unpredictable. And guess if the sectors get cold (which happens all the time) how dozens behave? Total disorder.
This System is one of the Scammer's Favourite systems. The first i played and i lost 1K.
B. E. W. A. R. E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
/Compa
Here are 800 consecutive spins using the following rules:
1. Wait for 2 consecutive hits on a dozen (or column - didn't run that).
2. Play that dozen until it hits again.
3. Progression is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.... etc.
4. Go back to 1 after it hits.
5. Quit when you hit your goal.
6. Play live or RNG, shouldn't matter.
7. Provide feedback on your testing.
Enjoy, Gator
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 23, 09:19 PM 2010
Here are 800 consecutive spins using the following rules:
1. Wait for 2 consecutive hits on a dozen (or column - didn't run that).
2. Play that dozen until it hits again.
3. Progression is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.... etc.
4. Go back to 1 after it hits.
5. Quit when you hit your goal.
6. Play live or RNG, shouldn't matter.
7. Provide feedback on your testing.
Enjoy, Gator
Excellent testing Gator, tidy pdf and I have a good feeling about this method.
Thanks and best wishes,
CashGrowth.
Hi Gator,
Thanks for sharing. I like your chart too :)
A.
What about to wait for 2 D in row as a trigger and then bet just once if lose carry on the progression to next trigger of 2 D. Example:
1
2
3
3 next bet 1u. on 3rd
2 loss wait
1
3
3 next bet 1u. on 3rd
3 won, wait for next trigger streak of two.
D/C don't do big streaks like ECs do. Streak of 2 comes often but higher streaks you mostly see only a few in 50 spins.
You can do it with chops also: wait for showing a new D/C and bet once 2 D/C against the same appearance again. If lost wait for next chop as a trigger. There are plenty of chops in D/C games.
Example:
1
1
2 next bet 1/3 1/1u.
2 lost wait
3 next bet 1/2 2/2u.
2 won wait for new chop again.
Again, bet cumulative progression like in example one. Could be Fibonacci: 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21.
Cheers Hermes
jordan i thought you said you was a vb man and systems are waste of time yet i always see you playing with systems this is not a dig at you im just curious no need to front
Hermes,
Yes, I like what you are proposing. It is similar to the LW strategy, only waiting for specific events to take place. It all takes patience, my friend. As we all know, if you have the discipline, there are many strategies that can work over long periods of time.
Best, Gator
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 25, 09:27 PM 2010
Hermes,
Yes, I like what you are proposing. It is similar to the LW strategy, only waiting for specific events to take place. It all takes patience, my friend. As we all know, if you have the discipline, there are many strategies that can work over long periods of time.
Best, Gator
Hermes, Gator,
I too like your proposal Hermes. I've been testing it just a little and it seems to be doing quite well. If nothing else, it results in a lot more betting opportunities. Even though I'm not that much of a fan of betting 24 numbers, if they hit often enough, well, I can be convinced.
G.
P.S. I've been doing some testing on the chop method and am reminded why I'm not a fan of betting 24 #s. When things go bad, they can go bad quite rapidly. We need to test this thoroughly before putting the rent money on it.
Quote from: iggiv on Jun 23, 05:17 PM 2010
that's right, and any dozen can become cold anytime. And dozens do it all the time.
And a dozen maybe get gold for long time, then wake up (an u think now it is gonna HIT!) and then get cold again...And it may happen even a few times in a row. Remember dozens don't have a straight connection with a wheel. Even if a wheel will hit sectors in a certain order, very likely dozens still will behave unpredictable. And guess if the sectors get cold (which happens all the time) how dozens behave? Total disorder.
The real secret of any strategy surviving and becoming grail like over the longterm is to never depend on anyone part of the layout. For example with my Zone we are betting on a gap spins 5---8 not a dozen or number. Any one of the dozens could be our winner. And thats how it should be. Make the game conform to your format, not you trying to predict an outcome (FOOLS GOLD) That is the crux and secret of a winning strategy.
A short run of Hermes second 'chop' idea, using dozens only
3
1
3W
3
1
3W
3
2
3W
3
3
2W
1
2W
3
2W
2
3
1W
2
1W
2
2L
2
2
3
2W
1
2W
2
2
3
1W
1
1
2
3W
2
3W
3
3
3
1
1L
2
1W
14 Wins
2 Losses
+10 using Fibo
Will keep testing
Heres another slightly more testing run:
2
2
1
1L
1
3
1W
2
3W
2
3W
2
1W
3
3L
3
2
2L
3
2W
2
1
2W
3
2W
1
1L
2
1W
2
2L
2
1
1L
1
2
2L
2
3
2W
3
3L
2
1W
10 Wins
8 Losses
Max 3 losses in a row
If using Fibo, this run would end -6....not bad considering the LOSS/WIN ratio
Another: 25.3.10 wiesbaden
1
1
2
2L
2
3
3L
2
1W
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
3
3L
2
3W
2
3W
2
2
0
2
0
2
3
2W
3
2W
1
1L
1
1
1
1
3
3L
3
2
0L
3
2W
3
2W
3
2W
1
1L
1
1
1
2
3W
3
1
1L
3
2W
1
3W
2
1W
3
1W
2
1W
1
2
1W
1
3
3L
1
2W
1
2W
1
1L
1
1
3
2W
1
3W
1
2W
3
1W
3
1W
1
2
2L
22 WINS
11 LOSSES
MAX losses in a row =3
TOTAL using Fibo = +1
depending on how many times this goes beyond 3 losses, then a standard 1,3,9 could be used after 1 loss, resulting in +7 on this particular run.
Meaning only a run of 4 losses in a row will harm you to -26 units. That could be a stop loss.
3
3
1
3W
3
3
1
3W
2
3W
2
1W
1
2
1W
3
1W
2
1W
3
1W
2
1W
3
2W
3
2W
1
1L
3
2W
3
2W
3
3L
3
3
0
1
2W
1
3W
2
1W
2
3W
3
1
1L
17 WINS
3 LOSSES
Using Fibo = +11
1,3,9 after a Loss = +2
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 23, 09:19 PM 2010
Here are 800 consecutive spins using the following rules:
1. Wait for 2 consecutive hits on a dozen (or column - didn't run that).
2. Play that dozen until it hits again.
3. Progression is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7.... etc.
4. Go back to 1 after it hits.
5. Quit when you hit your goal.
6. Play live or RNG, shouldn't matter.
7. Provide feedback on your testing.
Enjoy, Gator
WoW !
Im lovin this Gator ;D
I played around an hour and end up +110 Units :o
Rockkkk On !
Had a few PM's about this, so did another 1hr (ish) run and ended up +110 Units again lol
That was starting with Ã,£5 Chips
Biggest bet was Ã,£30
Will run some more live tests 2morrow as Im off ta bed :D
I don't quite get the bet selection for this one, twisteruk.
For example
1Dosen 2Col
2Dosen 3Col
2Dosen 2Col - Ok we start betting here on 2nd Dosen
1Dosen 1Col - Now we are betting 2 units on 2nd Dosen
3Dosen 1Col - Now do we start betting on 1st Column -1- Unit + 3 Units on 2nd Dosen??
3Dosen 1Col - Ok we won on 1st Column, now DO WE START BETTING ON 3RD DOSEN + 2ND DOSEN OR WAIT FOR 2ND DOSEN TO HIT FIRST?
1Dosen 2Col
3Dosen 2Col - Here we won on 3rd Dosen, but 2nd Dosen is still sleeping, we also start betting on 2nd Col
Is this the right way to play this?
Also if a dosen sleeps for more than 12-14 spins, what is the appropriate stop loss, if any.
okkkk no worries, let me try to help
You always bet the dozen or column after it has hit twice
So for example on the dozens,
123231322 (you now bet the 2nd dozen)
IF while betting the 2nd dozen you get another hit like,
3133 ALSO bet the 3rd Dozen
Treat them as seperate bets all running to a winning point
AND its the same for the columns
Anyway thats the way Im doin it lol :D
Havin 2 Dozens and a Column running is normal (or so I found) or vice versa
As for the stop loss I think I would stop at Ã,£100
Hope that helps :)
Quote from: sekuritati on Aug 13, 02:21 AM 2010
I don't quite get the bet selection for this one, twisteruk.
For example
1Dosen 2Col
2Dosen 3Col
2Dosen 2Col - Ok we start betting here on 2nd Dosen
1Dosen 1Col - Now we are betting 2 units on 2nd Dosen
3Dosen 1Col - Now do we start betting on 1st Column -1- Unit + 3 Units on 2nd Dosen??
3Dosen 1Col - Ok we won on 1st Column, now DO WE START BETTING ON 3RD DOSEN + 2ND DOSEN OR WAIT FOR 2ND DOSEN TO HIT FIRST?
1Dosen 2Col
3Dosen 2Col - Here we won on 3rd Dosen, but 2nd Dosen is still sleeping, we also start betting on 2nd Col
Is this the right way to play this?
Also if a dosen sleeps for more than 12-14 spins, what is the appropriate stop-loss, if any.
I didnt really answer your specific question did I lol
1. Yes is the answer to your 1st question
2. Bet both is what Im doin
3. Yup thats the right way to play
Good Luck ! ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk link=topic=321. msg7682#msg7682 date=1281681373
Okkkk no worries, let me try to help
You always bet the dozen or column after it has hit twice
So for example on the dozens,
123231322 (you now bet the 2nd dozen)
IF while betting the 2nd dozen you get another hit like,
3133 ALSO bet the 3rd Dozen
Treat them as seperate bets all running to a winning point
AND its the same for the columns
Anyway that's the way I'm doin it LoL :D
Havin 2 Dozens and a Column running is normal (or so I found) or vice versa
As for the stop-loss I think I would stop at Ã,£100
Hope that helps :)
what i meant was, to which step do you stop the progression on the sleeping dosen, you said in the private message that your maximum bet was 60Pounds thats 12th step of the progression.
but on 12th step if you lose, you would be losing 390 pounds, and dosens can sleep for longer than 12 spins. And now you say you would stop at 100 Pounds loss, that is the 6th step, 30 pound bet, which if lost would mean 105 Pound overall loss on that dosen.
Ã,£100 chip not Ã,£100 in total :)
Just a suggestion (and I like this system).....when you wait for a dozen to hit for 2 times, and you place your bet....who's not to say it's the beginning of a sleeper set?
In the section
link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/maui's-c***tail/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/maui's-c***tail/)
I chase the winner of each dozen, with the hope of catching those long runs.
Like I also say there, I don't have a proper progression. Maybe combine the best 2 elements of both ;D
Regards
M
Quote from: Maui13 on Aug 13, 06:31 AM 2010
Just a suggestion (and I like this system).....when you wait for a dozen to hit for 2 times, and you place your bet....who's not to say it's the beginning of a sleeper set?
In the section
link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/maui's-c***tail/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/maui's-c***tail/)
I chase the winner of each dozen, with the hope of catching those long runs.
Like I also say there, I don't have a proper progression. Maybe combine the best 2 elements of both ;D
Regards
M
Yes thats correct, it could be the start of a "sleep"
There is no way to tell :'(
I just finished a 1hr session and ended up +105 Units. I was using Ã,£5 Chips. Biggest bet was Ã,£30
Lovin this System !
Whats the best Progression for this ?
Any opinions ?
Cheers :)
If your trigger is to bet after 2 dozens (eg. 33, 33) you are too late! Many times for over 30 spins you don't see any triple. I bet exactly opposite: after I see 2 D or C I bet the other 2. In 80% of cases you win, if not wait for next double and bet Leveller progression and you win for sure. Doubles are second best to exploit after chops. Just one of my on side systems revealed.
Hermes
its all the same
Your math teacher is a high school math teacher for a reason. He did offer you a good piece of advice though. That no system will win every time.
His progression is wonky. You will need at least a basic Fibonacci progression to overcome going into the red. Work it out on the back of an envelope and you will see why.
Waiting for "x" number of any event to occur or not occur is a waste of time. Pushing the event horizon forward does nothing mathematically for you and prolongs the amount of time spent at the table. If your system takes more than 25 spins it is flawed or at best works only theoretically.
On the positive side I think you can make this work.
1. Play every spin gradually leading in after any first occurrence then gradually exit at a particular number of spins.
2. Play all three divisions simultaneously but not the zero. You could also play all three columns at the same time if you like. Might get a bit confusing doing it mentally in your head.
3. Work with a Fibonacci progression treating each division or column separate. I would stop loss at 5 units because of standard ratios in maximum betting. Going to 8 units would increase your winnings marginally at the low end while reducing the maximum you could play.
Essentially you are playing 3 separate games at the same time. The aggregate should result in positive winning most of the time. I doubt that it would take more than 25 spins to grind out a decent profit. I haven't tested and don't plan to. Also you might want to mix 2 divisions with 2 columns or some other mix so the croup doesn't flag you . The mix is not relevant mathematically. Mixing divisions and columns should result in less winnings but playing all 6 would maximize it. It's the aggregate take that will make this work.
Monte Carlo
I said I wouldn't check but I did just to make sure my assumption was correct.
Used the first 29 numbers from the earlier post with Dublin bet numbers.
Going to Fibonacci 5 you get +25 units on div and -4 on col.
Going to Fibonacci 8 you get +41 units on div and +20 on col.
Combined its +21 and +61 respectively.
Monte Carlo
Good advice.
Thanks for posting Carlo :thumbsup:
Quote from: Monte Carlo link=topic=321. msg8359#msg8359 date=1282236598
I said I wouldn't check but I did just to make sure my assumption was correct.
Used the first 29 numbers from the earlier post with Dublin bet numbers.
Going to Fibonacci 5 you get +25 units on div and -4 on col.
Going to Fibonacci 8 you get +41 units on div and +20 on col.
Combined its +21 and +61 respectively.
Monte Carlo
carlo
plz explain a bit more. how many spins per session?
catalyst
Gents
I would like to reply to the portion of this post dealing with waiting for "X" to miss "X" number of times and then starting to bet. I puzzled almost exclusively for months with this apparent paradox.
Let's assume we could look at a million spins a discover that eight reds in a row occurs very infrequently. For purposes of illustration, let's say only 100 times in our one-million-spin study. And there is the mistake in the thought process: We look at the 100 times occurrence in light of a million spins and this is wrong. We must look at the occurrence in light of the possibilities of the occurrence occurring. That is to say, a shot at eight in a row is only possible after the seventh red in a row has occurred. So to be accurate, we must only look at the number of red sevens to look for a red eighth.
While it looks appealing, if you study then number of times red went seven and then study the next spin, you will find it to be a 50/50 proposition, i.e., black occurs just as often in the eighth hole as red does. I did multi-million spin tests using the Super Roulette Robot.
There is simply no advantage, mathematically, to waiting for "X" to occur "X" times and then betting. However, it can be fun and it sure looks inviting--thus the "paradox"!
Sam
Well said Sam.
It was this false belief of waiting for something to not happen for a very long time or something to happen a lot of times in a row that got me hooked on this game thinking I could just waltz into a casino with my newly acquired knowledge, fill my shopping cart with their money and live happily ever after.
It was devastating to find out that waiting didn't change my chance of winning on the very next bet.
Oh well, all was not a total loss. I do enjoy the back and forth we have on the forum even if most of it is swimming around in a cesspool of 'gambler's fallacy'.
You're like a pin going around looking for someone's bubble to burst. You're obviously over 60. Too much wisdom for a young whipper snapper.
What the heck is a whipper snapper anyway?
All kidding aside. Good post.
George
Thanks, G......
I am 64 and I will Google "whipper snapper"!
Sam
Catalyst
I am confused by your question.
In this case I just used the spins that were provided earlier in the thread beyond that I haven't given it much thought.
Monte Carlo
Perhaps I need to explain the logic behind my assumption.
In theory by playing 3 separate games yet identical systems you are covering all three possibilities in relation to to bet on wither columns or divisions.
In an idealistic game without zero. The sums of the deviation from mean equal 1.
A+B+C=1
By stop gapping losses at a low progression you should overcome zero by virtue of the bets not placed which would be subtracted from aggregate bets. In an game with infinite bet limits and no zero this would provide a balanced system. Payouts would equal bets taken in.
By entering but more importantly exiting in a staggered manner you overcome cumulative progressive bets that haven't payed off yet which would in turn be negative to your bankroll.
General system remains as I stated earlier.
Again haven't put much thought into this and I could be overlooking something.
Monte Carlo
any more progress on this? is this a long term winner?
This is worth testing, I think.
1. Follow the dozen/column.
3. Progression is 1,2,3,4,5, STOP and continue with 1 unit.
4. Go back to 1 after a hit.
5. Quit when you hit your goal.
6. Play live or RNG, shouldn't matter.
7. Provide feedback on your testing.
First I tested 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, 10, 11, etc etc, and after loss of 9 units (not good for my heart) I decided to limit the betting units to 5. Ok, many losses, but the good part is: the BALANCE is positive! My winning SO FAR are more than my losses.
After about one hour of testing I reached +30 units.
Will continue ...
Quote from: CashGrowth on Jun 22, 03:23 PM 2010
Wow Jordan, this sounds really good!!!
Please post the method as soon as you can so we can have a go too.
Best of luck,
CashGrowth.
what happened to this method? did anything come from it or?
Quote from: CashGrowth on Jun 22, 03:23 PM 2010
Wow Jordan, this sounds really good!!!
Please post the method as soon as you can so we can have a go too.
Best of luck,
CashGrowth.
what happened to this method? did anything come from it or?
Quote from: GLC on Oct 28, 04:52 PM 2010
It was devastating to find out that waiting didn't change my chance of winning on the very next bet.
I do enjoy the back and forth we have on the forum even if most of it is swimming around in a cesspool of 'gambler's fallacy'.
;)