this came about as a result of testing droganson's six splits to win system.
i noticed that after tracking 8 different splits to hit, repeats would come quickly.
so that's what we do, simple as that. track 8 different splits to hit and then bet those splits.
that's the easy bit, now for the progression.
in truth, i haven't given this much thought and i'm hoping that between us, we can come up with something to suit this method.
the wins do come fairly quickly and so im not sure if we draw a line under so many steps of the progression and just take a hit, to recover, or go to the end (when we have a hit) and try and recover in later games.
the following stats may help
in testing this method on it's own, ive run it through 2680 spins and that has given me 209 plays.
of these 209 plays,
82 have hit on the first spin
55 hit on the 2nd spin,
32 hit on the 3rd spin,
14 on the 4th,
10 on the 5th,
6 on the 6th,
2 on the 7th,
3 on the 8th,
2 on the 9th,
2 on the 10th,
1 on the 11th.
so, i hope that's clear and a suitable progression can be worked out. do we use a six leg progression and take any hit that comes , to recover later.
or do we go on and bet until a hit, still having to recover later?
i'll post more results, hoping that others will get on board and post too.
cheers.
I'm liking what I am reading here ewaroowar.
I have just been thinking about playing 6 splits, something I have never really focused on before to any great length. Apart from CWB tracking.
I'll be following this thread with interest, and lets see what pops up.
Does anyone have a progression list for this type of play?
And ewaroowar, do U want to consider covering my w'iittell Friend in all of this ? Zero? since he would never come up in one of the splits?
hello chris, you and your zeros!! ;D
actually, most of this game is tracking and so the majority of zeros do tend to show up during tracking, which obviously doesn't hurt.
i'm very happy with this method indeed. we just need to sort out a progression.
i'll look into it and see what i can come up with.
How different is this going to be than F LAT INO's CWB then ? ?
Only 1 question;
When you said 8 diff.splits,did you meant unique ones,one after other?????
ok guys, these are sample spins from testing:-
29, 1st split
7, 2nd
2, 3rd
2
34, 4th
31,
12, 5th
34,
28, 6th
36, 7th
24, 8th so now we bet these splits.
next spin:-
10 = win!
E,
Here's how I tend to look at systems. I like to see if I can equate them to Even Chance or Dozens.
What I mean is this. Your system is what is called a follow the wheel system. That means we are betting for what has hit recently to continue to hit. This is opposed to playing against the wheel where we bet that what hasn't hit recently will be hitting soon. Sometimes we call it betting the trend vs betting for sleepers.
It's kind of like betting for a dozen to repeat which is as good a way to select a dozen as any, IMO. Unfortunately, when bet selecting this way, we are just taking what the table delivers and if tested against a big number of spins, it will lose by the house edge.
According to this system, you are waiting for 8 unique splits to show and then you begin betting for one of them to show again.
It's interesting that in your example, while you were tracking, you had 3 hits on your unique splits before you even had 8 splits.
This is the same bet as FLATINO's Consistent Winning Bet and also Buffalowizard's 8 split method. Every bet costs a multiple of 8 units. Lose 8 or win 10.
If a flat bet won't win, then we can try a progression and many have been tried on the 8 split bets. They are all easier to understand if we reduce them down to 1 and just remember that we have to multiply this by 8 for the real amount.
We have tried a martingale type which is not recommended unless you make it a limited martingale, say 5 steps and then take the loss. +1 on a loss -1 on a win is another way plus all the variations on that one. A pluscoup is possible. Bet level on losses and increase by 1 on a win.
If it's a winning system, almost any bet method will win. Some are just more aggressive than others.
I'm leaning more and more toward the grinding methods. You could even play this according to the labby being discussed under the Topic Beating Roulette With Math. It's a grinder's method, but in the long run, I think it is employing some great principles. The min vs max bet size could be an issue on most tables in a large down swing.
My initial inclination is to use a simple +1 on a loss and -1 on a win system. Anytime we are at a new high, we reset. Flat's original bet on his 8 split system was +1 after 2 losses and back 2 after each win. Reset when +10 or more.
Albertojonas used a 5 step grand martingale and did very well with it. Only time will tell if it will hold up over the long haul or if it was just a favorable series for him. I'm hoping it will hold up. It does take a good size bankroll though.
Some triggers may be worth looking for before we begin betting.
Also, maybe we should look at betting on the splits starting with 3 unique splits and adding new ones as they show until we have 8.
Just some initial thoughts. Maybe something will trigger an idea for anyone who has been looking at this system in more depth.
Cheers,
George
Hey there, here's the standard prog for 16 numbers, I been looking a lot into 8 splits too. Happy to help.
Spin__unit___bet___cum__win
1_____1______16_____16__20
2_____2______32_____48__24
3_____3______48_____96__12
4_____5______80____176___4
5_____9_____144____320___4
6____17_____272____592__20
---To my testing and playing experience on any method;
--Win some/as what usually happens with most methods/
4-7 units,then switch to diff.method,without much progress
involved.Must have arsenal of about 10 methods,all in your head,
and whenever some in plus swap the method.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jan 16, 11:58 AM 2011
Hey there, here's the standard prog for 16 numbers, I been looking a lot into 8 splits too. Happy to help.
Spin__unit___bet___cum__win
1_____1______16_____16__20
2_____2______32_____48__24
3_____3______48_____96__12
4_____5______80____176___4
5_____9_____144____320___4
6____17_____272____592__20
U mean betting 16 numbers flat?
How does this transmute to the 8 splits buffalowiz?
Quote from: chrisbis on Jan 16, 01:39 PM 2011
U mean betting 16 numbers flat?
How does this transmute to the 8 splits buffalowiz?
Yeah, sorry i only just realised the mistake there myself! So basically just halve the bet amounts, and the win amounts. The unit size will be the same for the 8 splits.
just ran this through another test.
333 spins gave me 26 games.
of these 26,
12 hit on the first spin, i.e. after tracking for 8 splits my first 'betting' spin was a winner.
7 hit on 2nd spin
4 hit on 3rd spin
2 hit on 4th spin
and one didn't hit until the 8th spin.
to give another flavour of how these come out, these are my first few numbers:-
35, 1st split
1, 2nd
31, 3rd
17, 4th
6, 5th
5, 6th
28, 7th
32
35
13, 8th and trigger to start betting these 8 splits
8L
25W*
13, 1st split
36, 2nd
36
15, 3rd
3, 4th
14, 5th
13
11, 6th
24, 7th
0
21
12, 8th and trigger
9W*
12,
36
28
9
28
15
27
7
28
6
12
1, 8th unique split and trigger
10W*
9,
14
1
26
20
1
5
7
16 trigger
30L
16W*
12
0
15
1
29
31
28
4
25
33
14 trigger
22L
23L
20L
18W*
12
10
30
21
23
10
2
20
21
26
26
25 trigger
14L
7W*
Do U start tracking right off the bat so2speak, or do u let the Marque fill up first to let the numbers flow first?
And where U testing/playing?
cheers.
hi chris, i'm testing with actuals.
i think in a b&m casino, or a live wheel i'd track from the very first spin that i actually saw myself. not that i don't trust the marquee or anything, but i once saw a spin not register at all on the dublinbet marquee.
i think the next step with this is to work out a progression and then keep a record of units won/lost.
as yet, this hasn't been done and so the testing doesn't mean as much.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Jan 16, 04:39 PM 2011
i think the next step with this is to work out a progression and then keep a record of units won/lost.
as yet, this hasn't been done and so the testing doesn't mean as much.
Is there a tracker anywhere for that requirement?
there will be a tracker for this somewhere chris, but as yet we haven't worked out a suitable progression, so we don't have all the info.
it's relatively easy to track though. manually in a b&m casino wouldn't be a problem.
Quote from: ewarwoowar on Jan 16, 07:48 AM 2011
This came about as a result of testing droganson's six splits to win system.
of these 209 plays,
82 have hit on the first spin
55 hit on the 2nd spin,
32 hit on the 3rd spin,
14 on the 4th,
10 on the 5th,
6 on the 6th,
2 on the 7th,
3 on the 8th,
2 on the 9th,
2 on the 10th,
1 on the 11th.
so, I hope that's clear and a suitable progression can be worked out. do we use a six leg progression and take any hit that comes , to recover later.
or do we go on and bet until a hit, still having to recover later?
One of the obstacles to overcome are these last 4 games where you didn't hit until the 8th -11th bets. That means you had to lose 7 bets before hitting. And it can and will go further than the 11th bet, so we have to have a bet method that only goes as far as the 3rd bet I think and then we just have to take the loss and hope that we win enough winning on the 1st 3 bets to stay ahead of the times we lose on the 4th bet thru infinity. Otherwise, I think we should consider a D'Alembert type bet method like +1-1 or +2-2.
Of course this is not taking into consideration that triggers may be worth looking at.
Regards,
G
george, this is exactly the sort of input i was hoping for!
because the hits come quickly with this, i've thought that we should employ a limited progression and increase the unit size next time round, should we take a loss.
not sure about 3 steps though, if we could work out something that went to 5 or 6 steps, that would cover the majority of the hits.
so far, out of 235 games encompassing over 3000 spins, hits within the first six steps have occurred 224 times.
surely this could be factored into a progression?
thank you for your ideas.
getting down to brass tacks, i thought i'd better start applying a progression to some of the samples i've put this system through.
i picked two sample tests from the ones i've done, randomly, and applied a 3,5 and 6 step progression:- 1, 2, 3, 5, 9, 17.
the sessions were:-
1. 664 spins giving me 51 games
2. 880 spins giving me 72 games
results for session 1:-
3 step prog -136 units loss
5 step prog -70 units loss
6 step prog +132 units profit
results for session 2:-
3 step prog -16 units loss
5 step prog +308 units profit
6 step prog +36 units profit
i'll carry on testing and report back, meanwhile if anyone has any concrete ideas re another progression, please feel free to give your input.
cheers.
What are Ur riggers again for the 8 splits?
just track 8 unique splits and then use these to bet. :thumbsup:
Single entity Unique or have U tried repeater Unique?
This would formulate a different approach!
Longer tracking initially, but maybe a greater, wider 'Motorway Path' to travel along, picking up repeater hikers along the journey? ?
Its a transition from possible getting warm- to hot potato zones. :wink:
(I know- its time for my medicine, I'm bonkers!)
no, i've just been tracking until 8 splits have hit.
sometimes a split may hit 4 times in tracking. i've thought about the possibility of disregarding splits that hit say, 3 or more times, but as yet i've not tracked that way.