I have a book authored by Brett Morton titles "Roulette, Playing To Win" Published in 2004.
Brett claims to win 4 out of every 5 visits to the casino.
He has rated various betting methods from 1-10, 10 being the magic bullet that never loses. What we call the Holy Grail. None are rated a 10.
Here are his system ratings in short:
1. Martingale 1 out of 10!
2. Son of Martingale 4 out of 10. (It's wrong to increase your stakes when you lose)
An example would be waiting for like 6 Reds in a row before betting 3 times that Red won't hit another 3 times making 9 in a row. Not a true martingale, bet like 2-3-6.
3. Martingale's Cousing 4 out of 10.
An example would be the same as #2 above, only if one of the bets wins, lock in profits by stake reduction. Like start at 2-3-6 and if win, drop to 1-2-4 to lock in profit if a loss hits.
4. Grand Martingale. 2 out of 10.
He suggests an interesting twist for the real gamblers. When you win, let it ride for a real win!
5. Partial Parlay. 7 out of 10.
An example is to bet 2-2-3-4-6-9-13-20 etc... Bet 2 every time you lose. When you win, start moving to the right until you lose, or better yet, pick a number of times to win and quit before you lose that last bet which takes you back a lot of units.
6. Fibonacci. 1 out of 10! Not much better than the Martingale.
7. Parlay. 9 out of 10. This is really a pluscoup or Oscar's Grind.
A key to his parlay method is to bet 1 unit until he wins then he starts increasing +1 unit each win and minus -1 unit when he loses. Quit while still ahead on a winning streak.
8. Labby. 2 out of 10.
9. Reverse Labby. 9 out of 10.
He really likes the reverse labby, but he suggests playing it on both sides of and even chance.
10. Boffins Bet. 4 out of 10.
He presents this bet as letting the 3 1's that start the line ride on a win but after that, you only bet the original bet twice instead of letting the bet plus the winnings ride.
11. Houdini bet. 7 out of 10. Bet for 1 spin only.
3 units on 1-6, 3 units on 10-15, 3 units on 22-27, 1 chip on corner 28-29-31-32.
I will summarize more of his wisdom gained over numerous years of studying roulette and finally I'll summarize him playing a session so you can see how he wins 4 out of 5 trips to the casino.
Cheers,
George
Lot of work gone into this post.
Thank you very much, George. Most interesting.
As I'm sure will be your follow-ups to this book. :thumbsup:
Is it an ebook?
Can we have it in the download section?
Or can you provide a link for it.
Thank you! I have seen the book on the web and considered purchasing it. I look forward to your further posts with great interest
Thanks for the review dear GLC.
I concur with the author in giving higher score to "up-as-you-win" progressions.
Positive progressions are the way to go; either in-session or inter-session for rising base unit on casino's money! :thumbsup:
''7. Parlay. 9 out of 10. This is really a pluscoup or Oscar's Grind.
A key to his parlay method is to bet 1 unit until he wins then he starts increasing +1 unit each win and minus -1 unit when he loses. Quit while still ahead on a winning streak.''
@George, I like that idea. I was explaining a method in my blog and it uses the pluscoup. I have found a few difficult sessions in my testing and the idea you presented above really prevents the bets from getting scary. It can cut them down by up to 2/3 which is a lot. It still requires a decent winning run coming along, but that would be required anyhow.
cheers.
p.s. I think I did it slightly different. On a loss I reverted back to 1 unit straight away. Having read what you wrote again, I think Brett was suggesting to reduce by 1. So for example if your bet was 8 units and you just lost, you would then go down to 7, if you lost again, you would go down to 6. The difference in what I was doing is that if I lost on the 8, I went straight back down to 1. My way will take longer to recover but will stop the bets escalating too high.
Quote from: ThomasGrant on Jan 30, 03:47 AM 2011
Is it an ebook?
Can we have it in the download section?
Or can you provide a link for it.
Sorry Thomas, it's a paperback. Found it in the gambling section of a used book store.
G
Quote from: flukey luke on Jan 30, 10:17 AM 2011
''7. Parlay. 9 out of 10. This is really a pluscoup or Oscar's Grind.
A key to his parlay method is to bet 1 unit until he wins then he starts increasing +1 unit each win and minus -1 unit when he loses. Quit while still ahead on a winning streak.''
@George, I like that idea. I was explaining a method in my blog and it uses the pluscoup. I have found a few difficult sessions in my testing and the idea you presented above really prevents the bets from getting scary. It can cut them down by up to 2/3 which is a lot. It still requires a decent winning run coming along, but that would be required anyhow.
cheers.
p.s. I think I did it slightly different. On a loss I reverted back to 1 unit straight away. Having read what you wrote again, I think Brett was suggesting to reduce by 1. So for example if your bet was 8 units and you just lost, you would then go down to 7, if you lost again, you would go down to 6. The difference in what I was doing is that if I lost on the 8, I went straight back down to 1. My way will take longer to recover but will stop the bets escalating too high.
You are right FL. Really what he's doing is a positive progression. Start out like a pluscoup and then play D'Alembert, but don't make a bet if the loss will wipe out all your gains.
My next post is going to talk about his win targets and stop loss.
Win Targets:
Brett states that the foundation for being able to win in the casino is "discipline". Without discipline it's better stay away from the roulette table.
Next in importance is managing your money. This incorporates establishing concrete rules made in advance and sticking to them. Snap decisions are valid depending on circumstances, but only after you have complete control of your game which comes through practice, practice, practice. And most of this practice is in the casino itself. Practicing at a demo wheel has it's place, but it will not instill the fundamental disciplines needed to win over the long haul.
Okay, enough philosophy for now.
Brett has a stop loss and 4 win targets. We start at the ground level. Our loss limit is below ground level and our 4 win targets are above. The win targets are named BTL or Bottom Line Target. This is a safety net. The next target is called Happy Point. This is also a safety net. Thrid is Gold-Top. This is also a safety net. Finally he has Jackpot.
Here's how they work. BTL is the safety net that you can't fall below once you have reached Happy Point. Happy point is a target that if you reach it you will be happy with that win when you leave the casino. This is set by you and is dependent on your personal circumstances but mostly overall bank available.
Gold-Top is when you're on a roll and do even better than Happy-Point. Once you've reached Gold-Top don't place a bet that will take you below Happy Point if it loses.
Jackpot is the undefined amount when you go even beyond Gold-Top.
So, each plateau is also a safety net for the level above. BTL doesn't come into play until you reach Happy Point.
When setting these targets, we need to think in terms of percentages.
Loss Limit is 20% to 50% of your session bank roll. He prefers close to 20%, but it's up to you and should be a result of knowledge gained from you experience at the casinos.
BLT is at 15-20%. Ignore BLT until you reach Happy Point. It's not enough to be happy with. Better to risk you stop loss and continue trying for Happy Point.
Happy Point is 30%. Happy Point is not your final win target. It is a sum that is sensible in percentage terms compared to your cash for the game and enough to make you happy.
Gold Top is 50%. It's a big win. If you can reach Gold-Top 4 out of 5 trips to the casino, you're a professional roulette player. Congratulations. Remember, once you reach Gold Top never drop below Happy Point while trying to reach Jackpot.
Jackpot is an unfixed sum and only comes around on a rare occasion, but we need to prepare for it when we find ourselves in that inviable position of feeling like we just can't lose today. Once you reach Gold-Top you have the money between Gold-Top and Happy Point to invest in going on to a figure that feels like a Jackpot. If you don't feel that confident after reaching Gold-Top, then take your winnings and leave with a big grin on your face. If you decide to go for Jackpot and find Happy Point safety net saving you from a big drawdown, then you must accept the reality that Happy Point is there to make you Happy not be frustrated because you risked going for Jackpot and wound up losing below Gold-Top in the process. That's what it's there for.
Save for the largest fighting fund you can so that when you go to the casinos you don't feel like you have to win really big percentages to leave a happy person. If you go with a $100 bank and leave with $30 win, that doesn't feel nearly so good as going with a $1000 bank and leaving with $300 dollars.
Enough for now. I'll continue this section on my next post with some examples and tips.
George for Brett
Wondeful explanation dear GLC.
I like plateaus for inter-session money management, but I guess when using the positive approach you can do exceptions to the "WIN GOAL = EXIT DOOR" approach.
I read it almost like if there were separate sessions inside a single casino visit. Don't know if it is like the author intended, but that's how I perceived it.
Cheers / Thanks for sharing.
Dear Victor,
I don't completely understand what you're saying, but Brett recommends 1 winning session per visit. If he can go in, win and leave in 15 minutes, he's a happy camper.
He does break his session bankroll into 3 attack banks to give himself an opportunity to recover if things start out poorly.
G
I'm going to try a little different approach. I am taking pictures of the pages and adding them as attachments. This will save a lot of rephrasing. I don't really understand the copywrite laws, so if I'm violating anything can someone more knowledeable please tell me.
These are some examples of different scenarios and how to apply his win and loss targets.
TwisterUK or Victor, if these pictures are inappropriate, please remove them or tell me and I will.
Continuing.
Last 2
He recommends keeping a record card for every game.
Here's what they look like and how they look when filled out.
Okay, I'm a little new at this picture stuff so some directions.
008 should have been 1st.
007 is upside down and 009 is correct.
Cheers
Quote from: GLC on Jan 30, 03:44 PM 2011
Dear Victor,
I don't completely understand what you're saying, but Brett recommends 1 winning session per visit. If he can go in, win and leave in 15 minutes, he's a happy camper.
Ah! I see.
What I'm trying to convey is: these days I'm more prone to recommend an immediate stop when achieving your predefined win-goal (halt the session and leave immediately).
Flat betting would be the best way to go for a
single session, progressively rising your unit's monetary value with a percentage from the units you won. Each session feeding the unit value for the next one, little by little.
In this approach, several good sessions are the "wining streak", not a single session with a jackpot.
That's what I meant! :)
Of course, the author's approach is very sound; especially when dealing with positive progressions which can mean a huge win, and it would be counter-productive to halt the session on first win level without giving it the opportunity to develop to its full extent.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention here dear GLC.
A refreshing thread indeed :thumbsup:
Thanks for clarifying Victor. I see what you mean and do understand why you would want to stop at the win target with a flat bet. As we all know, nobody necessarily has the "best" method, just the way that works for them.
Continuing:
The author plays either with or against the wheel. He watches the spin results for a time to determine if there's a definite bias. The bias is either for steaks, betting with the wheel or for chops, betting against the wheel.
The author definitely believes in dealers that can exert a reasonable amount of control on where the ball lands. It is good to become familiar with dealers and their tendencies. It doesn't take much control over the ball by a dealer to overcome the small house edge.
Be aware of dealers that are trying to control the ball to help out a good tipper. The more the tipper wins, the more the dealer gets tipped so why wouldn't he try to land where the player is betting. If you sense this happening, jump in and see if there's a way to capitalize on the situation. This is where knowledge of the game is important. Making judgement bets in a unique situation.
If the author is betting against the wheel, it means he's waiting for a streak or pattern to develop and then bet it won't continue. This is 6 spins pattern like 6 Reds or 6 chops or doubles etc... Look for these on all the ECs so as not to have to wait too long for a bet. On the Dozens he waits for 3 or 4 hits (preferring 4 hits )in the same dozen then he bets on the other 2 dozens. If he gets 3 or 4 hits in 1-12 dozen then he bets on 13-36. If he gets 3 or 4 hits in the 3rd dozen, then he bets 1-24 etc...
He likes to play to kill sequences. He bets up to 4 times to do this. If 6 reds, he'll bet black up to 4 times. When looking for sequences, he ignores 0 or 00. He kills a kinds of sequences RRBRRB or RRBBRRBB or RBRBRB or RRRRRR or BBBBBB or RRRBBB etc...
When betting with the wheel, you bet just the opposite, to keep the pattern going. You don't have to wait for a 6 spin pattern, jump in as early as a pattern develops. RR is a pattern that you can bet to continue etc...
Advantages of playing with the wheel are:
1. You can play at 1 table without floating around the roulette room looking for special opportunities to bet against the wheel.
2. You can bet much more often without having to wait.
3. Long winning runs can happen resulting in some impressive wins.
4. It lends itself to level betting until a win and then increase your bets.
5. You will automatically take advantage of any footprint created by the dealer.
There is no major disadvantage to playing with the wheel.
Advantages for betting against the wheel.
1. This gives you the option of playing several tables, looking for the best bets.
2. You play with the comfortable feeling that this run of Red or Black or whatever must end sometime.
3. You will usually win on one of your first 3 bets. Stop betting if you don't win in 4 tries.
Conclusions:
If there are several tables, he usually bets against the wheel.
If stuck at a single table he usually plays with the wheel.
He likes the feeling that change is inevitable.
There is no fundamental reason to bet for or against the wheel. Previous spins are valid.
Next post I'll summarize a trip to a casino and how he plays to win.
Hope this is helping some of you expand your roulette knowledge. I know it is for me.
George
Before going on with this topic, I want to point out that Mr. Morton gave the Reverse Labby a score of 9 our of 10 which is the highest he gives any bet method.
For an excellent presentation of this bet method I wish to thank our friend Bayes for an excellent description he posted at this link:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/mr-oops'-'reversed-labouchere-slh'/msg26450/#msg26450 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/mr-oops'-'reversed-labouchere-slh'/msg26450/#msg26450)
Thanks Bayes!
Let's follow Brett to a casino for a session of play.
We're going to the Bellagio.
All 0/00 tables with $10 minimum bets.
He buys in for $1,500 (showoff)
His loss limit is $400 = 27%
BLT is $100 = 7%
Happy Point is $250 = 17% (That'd make me happy too)
Gold Top is $500 = 33%
He's going to play against the wheel which means he will be watching all the boards for sequences of 6 or more and also for 3 numbers in a single dozen.
He likes the dealers at Bellagio; they're polite, friendly and competent and they like their tips. He knows from past experiences that they can spin in patterns so he'll be looking for dealer footprints.
His staking system is the parlay. He'll level bet till a win and then let the stakes rise and fall till he hits the loss limit or a winning target. No drinking while he's playing.
He notices that one dealer has created a board with a hodgepodge of numbers, colors, dozens etc... no sequences at all. A truly random board. If a sequence appears he'll know it's the luck of the wheel and not a dealer footprint. That's a good chance to win quickly because the luck of the wheel doesn't often go for long sequences. If it were a dealer footprint, then it could go for 12 or more spins but when it's luck of the wheel, it shouldn't go much over 6 in a row.
He notices a table with a run of 4 numbers above 25. That's 4 hits in the 3rd dozen. In England he would bet 3 units on Low and 1 unit on 19-24 to take advantage of Le Partage but in Vegas there's no advantage to splitting the 2 dozen bet that way so he places 1 unit on the 1st and 2nd dozen. 00 spins so he loses his first bet, -$20. He repeats the bet even though a win still leaves him down $10. Loses again 34R spins so he's now down $40. He level bets $10 on each dozen again. 29B spins. Another loss. He's down $60.
There have been 6 high numbers plus a double zero so he bets $20 on Low plus $10 each on the 1st and 2nd dozens. 27R. Lost again! Less than 7 minutes to get -$100.
(As a side note, a roulette player should memorize both zero and double zero wheel number sequences and which numbers are Red and which are Black. He should know these like the back of his hand)
He considers that the dealer may be making a footprint with a double zero, 27R and a 29B a couple of spins earlier which are all within 5 positions of each other on the double zero wheel. If he'd been ahead by $100 instead of behind by $100 he would have bet $5 on each of 27R, 10B, 25R, 29B and 00. This is a neighbor bet. But, he doesn't think that is as safe as repeating his bet on Low and the 1st and 2nd dozen. 30R spins. Another loss. -$140.
He considers giving up on this dealer, or seeing it through. There's logic either way. But there's a dealer change at the next table and there are also 8 Red sequence and he loves to bet against the wheel when there's a dealer change. $20 on Black. 15B spins, a win! One of his favorite bets is for the switch back after a long sequence with a break so he bets $30 on Red. 19R spins. He's recovered $50 of the $140 he was down.
He looks back to his 1st table to see that 33B spun which was a losing spin for him had he bet it. He returns to that table and places $50 on Low. 5R spins and he's only down $40. His next bet is $75 so he walks around looking for a good table to strike on. Nothing. He notices a rich punter betting $8000 per spin and doing rather well. He was placing $5000 on either Red or Black and betting the $3000 divided between 15 numbers. He won on 13 B, tipped the dealer $200. He increased all his bets but he increased the 13B by a larger amount and he also bet on the 5 neighbors either side of 13B. It was like he was saying to the dealer, "Look I've tipped you well, so why not try to do me a favor with a repeat on 13B." Brett decided to take advantage of the situation just in case the dealer could actually exert some control over where the ball lands so he bets $5 on 13B and the 2 neighbors on either side. The dealer spins the ball slow which is better if you're trying to hit an area of the wheel. 24B! A win. The rich punter had won $11,200 and I'd won $155. We both replaced our bets, but just then a new dealer walked up. He removed his bets and as he walked away he saw the ball land in 23R on the opposite side of the wheel from my bets. Opportunism is a key part of winning. It's hard to do this on the internet. You gotta be on the carpet where the action is for wins like that. He's now up $110. His next bet is still $75. He notices a High/Low sequence developing with 4B, 29B,3R, 25R, 10B, 28B so he bets $75 on high for the chops to break and won with 36R. He's now up $185 and his next bet due is $100 and a win would put him over Happy Point of $250.
He saw a sequence of 6 Blacks and place his $100 bet on Red. 8B. Back to up $85. His next bet is back to $75. His BLT of $100 had not kicked in because he had not reached Happy Point yet so he could still end up a loser. He placed $75 on Red and this time he won as 23R hit. Back up to $160. He spotted a zigzag of seven with the last color being Red so he bets $100 on Red and wins with 36R. Now he's +$260. That's over Happy Point so BLT is active now. He will leave a winner no matter what. His next 2 bets are $150 and $200 which would put him over Gold Top. He wins his next bet of $150 which put him at +$410 within $90 of Gold Top. He found a run of Reds and bet Black at $200 and lost. This put him at +$210 units. This dropped him to below Happy Point, but well above BLT. His next bet of $150 would drop him below BLT so he could only bet $110. Since nothing was developing, he decides to call it a $210 win and exit the casino. He felt content at $210 winner after the bad start he'd had.
That's one trip to the casino. I tried to give you everything that indicates how he thinks as he looks for betting opportunities.
We'll go to a couple more casinos in later posts.
Cheers,
George
Mr. Morton goes to the Paris Casino in Las Vegas.
Upon entering the casino he spots a dealer he recognized from earlier visits who had delivered patterns. He went to her table where she had just spun 2 Reds so he bet $20 on Red. Wins with 14R. He placed $30 on Red again and 14R repeats. $50 on Red wins with 34R. That's 5 Reds in a row. He stays with her remembering that the last time he had played against her she spun 12 Blacks in a row while he was betting against the wheel causing him to lose. All of the numbers were Red Even though there are only 8 Red Evens to 10 Red Odds. A bet on Odd was looking tempting, but he decides to stay with the dealer. $75 wins with 36R.
With 6 Red Evens, Black is looking tempting, but she seems to be in a rhythm so he bets Red again. $100 win on 25R. That puts him up $275. He's starting to get nervous but decides to bet Red 1 more time. His next bet is for $150 and he wins on 14R. He's up $425. He's reached Happy Point and is only 1 bet away from Gold Top. His next bet is $200 which he makes and loses as 00 spins. So near but so far away.
He's now down to $225 ahead with a $150 bet due but if he lost it, he would drop below his BLT. He can only bet $125. If it loses he leaves with his $100 BLT and if he wins he's up to $350. $125 on Red and wins as 19R lands. He bets $200, his next due bet and wins again with 9R. He's at $550 which is above Gold Top. He can place any bet as long as it doesn't cause him to go below Happy Point of $250. No matter, he's leaving with $250 of the casino's money in his pocket. He decides to bet $250 and if that loses, he's leaving with $300. Everybody else at the table was betting on Black for the streak of Reds to cease except him. 27R spins and he's $800 up.
When he surpasses Gold Top he has to pocket Gold Top plus half of the amount above Gold Top. That leaves him with $150 to play with. He decides to go to another table where it looks like a dealer is spinning into a footprint. His spins are going from one side of the wheel to the other side of the wheel. He bets $10 on 5 numbers in the section opposite of the one just spun and misses by only 1 number. He backs the opposite side and with $10 bets and hits for $350 less the $40 bets lost. So he has $340 and halves it putting half in his pocket.
He continues playing and ends the evening with $875 less tips.
Okay. That seems to be the way he plays. We just have to accept his word for it that he wins 4 out of 5 trips on average.
Of course there's a lot more I could post from his book. But, unless people have any specific questions, I think I'll end this little book review.
I hope it's helped someone. I know it's caused me to rethink my approach to the game a little, or maybe a lot.
G
Nice indeed,looking forward to some more inspirational casino stories.
Seykid.
Thank you so much for the info George!
I notice that Brett seems to have an arsenal of bets based on his experience perhaps??? Does he make any mention of how he selects his bets, or is it based on what the table is doing. If you could expand on this it would be great.
Thanks
thanks for this really interesting post, george.
I don't want to play mr. smartass but is number 7 really a plouscoup? it looks like the contre d'alambert to me. ???
cheers
hans
Quote from: hanshuckebein on Jan 31, 11:31 AM 2011
Thanks for this really interesting post, george.
I don't want to play mr. smartass but is number 7 really a plouscoup? it looks like the contre d'alambert to me. ???
cheers
hans
You may be right. He starts out flat betting until he wins and then he starts a positive progression. From his detailed trips to the casinos it looks like he bets this progression: 10-20-30-50-75-100-150-200. Once he starts winning, he's playing a contra D'Alembert. You are correct Hans. Thanks for pointing that out.
Quote from: Spinner on Jan 31, 04:29 AM 2011
Thank you so much for the info George!
I notice that Brett seems to have an arsenal of bets based on his experience perhaps??? Does he make any mention of how he selects his bets, or is it based on what the table is doing. If you could expand on this it would be great.
Thanks
Spinner,
He does make some bets based on hunches and experience (a lot are based on what he knows about some of the dealers). He typically either bets to follow the wheel or his favorite way is the play against the wheel if he has a good number of tables to keep an eye on because when he's playing against the wheel, he's betting that sequences will stop. He usually risks 4 bets that say 6 Reds will not go on. If he loses, that means there were 10 Reds in a row. If he doesn't have but a few tables, he likes to play with the wheel because he doesn't have to look around to find sequences developing. With only a few tables, he doesn't get enough bets playing against the wheel.
Sounds like another casino trip would be welcome by some of you, so I'll accommodate you. I didn't want to get too repetitive.
G
George, you write so well, fluently, grammatically correctly, and about really interesting stuff that more offerings will be gratefully received.
So if you have the time, energy and inclination then let this be an encouragement to continue.
And thanks again, for what you've given us thus far. :thumbsup:
thanx George, here are links concerning the author
link:://wizardofodds.com/general/mortoninterview.html (link:://wizardofodds.com/general/mortoninterview.html)
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Let's go to the Palm Beach Casino, London.
Brett likes playing in London for 2 main reasons. 1) Favorable rules on the zero. 2) There's a ban on tipping.
He is playing with one of his students, a young lady named Julie who has embraced his playing style with a passion and has won enough to have a pretty tidy fighting-fund. She is an excellent student and he doesn't have to point out opportunities for play since she was tracking with him from the start. She had never believed that dealers could target a section of the wheel, but playing for neighbors now usually felt like a sure win.
Excuse me, but I don't have a pound key on my keyboard and so I am going to list his bankroll and bets as $$$$ even though they are really pounds. It doesn't change a thing as far as what we're trying to learn from him.
He has a $2000 fighting bank with him. His loss limit is $300, 15%. BLT is $100, 5%. Happy Point is $250, 12.5%. Gold Top is $500, 25%. His base bet is $50 on ECs and $60 on 24 number bets. These are modest targets considering his large fighting bank with a high base bet but he is trying a different attack.
He wants to go for a quick kill tonight and quit early. He is considering 1) His substantial cash reserves. 2) A low Happy Point in relation to his large bank but still enough to make him feel happy if he hits it. 3) The single zero wheels. 4) The favorable rules if zero does hit. 5) The savings by not having to tip. 6) He is going to play to win 2 in a row and he goes back to his base bet. This is less aggressive than his usual parlay system.
They both spot a wheel with 3 numbers in the 1st dozen and back the 2nd and 3rd dozen by betting 3 chips on High and 1 chip on the 13-18 line. They lose this bet and the next 2 on the same spots. He is -$180. He sees a sequence of 8 at another table. This sequence of 8 was made up of HHHLLHHH. Note: as you can see, he doesn't limit himself to only the common sequences. Any combination like this one that he feels is just to pretty to continue, he will bet that it breaks. They bet on High to break the pattern of 2 Lows coming. Low hits again, another loss. They next bet on High to break the sequence of Lows and win. This puts him down $180.
Julie spots 5 Low numbers and a zero so they wait to see if another Low spins and it does. He bets $75 and loses and he's down $255 in no time. He decides not to continue betting to break the streak of Lows because he sees 3 doubles in a row RRBBRR so he bets on Red and wins. He wins his next 3 bets on different tables which left him at -$100 and time to have dinner.
After dinner they split up and play separately. He spots a footprint, but Julie is at another table with her back to him and he can't get her attention in time for the bet. He places $5 on 22B and the two numbers on either side, 18R,29B,9R and 31B. 9R spins for a win and he's only down $35. For the next hour he wins some and loses some and finally reaches up $125 which is above BLT and decides to quit. It's not Happy Point, but after a hard fight, to leave a winner, no matter how small makes one happy. Julie had also climbed out of the hole when her husband found her and they had to leave. It didn't look like he had done as well as she did so she was happy to leave ahead of the game.
This was a small win. Small wins regularly are not enough if on the good days you don't ride the wins to Gold Top and beyond. Eventually the loss limit will swallow up small wins and leave you even or in the hole. Big wins are demanded if you intend to stay ahead of the game. That's why you have to have the resolve to keep pushing upwards on good days, risking good wins for excellent wins. A couple of Jackpot days can balance out 7 or 8 losing days.
If Happy Point was the most we ever won, it would be very difficult to stay ahead of the losses enough to justify the effort. Today was a bad day and he still left a winner and that's very good.
The other trip to a casino is a losing trip. It's short and sweet. I can't say that it adds that much to our knowledge bank. I think he threw it in as a reality check so we can see that he doesn't win every time. As you can see from the 3 accounts of his casino visits, he bases a lot of his bets or skipped bets on how he's feeling or sensing. Subjective decisions that can't be taught, they have to be acquired through hours of play and then learning from mistakes.
Do I believe that he wins 4 of every 5 trips? Based on these accounts I have to admit that I am skeptical. It just seems that there's too much based on feelings that can go terribly wrong some of the time if not a lot of the time. Nevertheless, it does add a lot of information to what we might expect to encounter if we want to play roulette and don't have that illusive Holy Grail we're looking for that let's us sit down with every expectation of getting up a winner.
Who's to say. Maybe his style of play does win 4 out of 5 times. At least for him!
Cheers,
George
One thin Brett Morton has done is piqued my interest in looking more seriously at positive progressions. I can see from his accounts in the casinos that you do have more control over your money.
On the other hand, if you lose $400 on a visit to the casino, what difference does it make if you lost it betting on positive progressions or negative progressions, you're still out $400.
I guess we each have to choose our own way.
And everyone lived happily ever after.
Good Night,
P.S. If there are any more questions about Brett's teachings, I'll be glad to answer them if they're addressed in his book. I'm no expert on his method of play, that's for sure.
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"Roulette, Playing to Win", by Brett Morton SEEMS, at first, to be a "middle of the road" roulette book. Not too easy to understand, not too difficult, either, it covers all the basics. HOWEVER, THE REAL IMPORTANCE OF THIS BOOK IS FOUND IN THE BACK SECTION. The back section discusses, amongst other things, the way Roulette is played in various countries. The warning he gives about playing roulette in FINLAND is chilling. I hope that Finland has changed its rules since this book was published -- but if it has not, one learns very quickly, from reading Mr. Morton's book....NEVER PLAY ROULETTE IN FINLAND.....OR IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY OR CASINO WHICH ADOPTS THE RULES FOR ROULETTE, AS PLAYED IN FINLAND, AND AS DESCRIBED IN THIS BOOK! If anything in the world of Roulette constitutes a "horror story", (other than losing all one's money in unpracticed, undisciplined play), it is the system, purportedly used in Finland, at the time of the publication of this book. If ANY casino you ever encounter, ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, uses these
"Finnish" rules, DO NOT PLAY ROULETTE THERE. For THESE rules are bound to "Finish" any roulette player's bank account. If encountering any casinos that insist in using these "Finnish" rules.....my advice is to play ANOTHER GAME AT THAT CASINO....perhaps "Dice" (craps), or "Sic Bo", (the only other two games at which I -- a roulette player since 1978 -- have ever won any money.) Or go to another casino which cheats less! (Yes, casinos CAN cheat -- and in the back of his book, Mr. Morton tells how they can REALLY cheat a player at roulette!)
WHAT are these "Finnish" rules? I would be defeating the purpose of this review, (that is, to get readers interested in buying this book), by telling them here. But Mr. Morton explains -- in plain, understandable, and quietly chilling language -- what these rules are, and why players should STAY FAR AWAY, from ANY casino, in ANY country, which uses them. Other casinos, in other countries, could easily adopt these rules....but if they do, NO one will play roulette, and the game will sadly die. To prevent this happening, I URGE roulette players, winning at fairer casinos, to BE fair, and give BIG TIPS when they win. That way, everyone will be happy....and more players will have more chances of winning, (some!) money at roulette.
To find out what these nefarious "Finnish" rules are at playing roulette, get this book, and look immediately at the last chapters.
This is not only a book which teaches roulette - it is a "Roulette Self-Defense Book", as well!
.....
so what the heck about those "Finnish Casino Rules"?
I"ve only been playing for a few years. I'm actually in Vegas now as we speak.
Overall, I'm behind, but my last two sessions have been winners.
What I as a novice roulette player liked was the explanations of the concepts of playing with the wheel and playing against the wheel.
Once it was spelled out, it was an "Aha!" moment.
I remember one night a friend of mine, drunk out of his mind played against the wheel.
Every time he saw four blacks in a row, he'd bet red. And the drunk won.
I didn't realize until now, what I was doing. Which was betting with the wheel. And I lost an unbelievable amount of spins in a row.
Now, I never knew about a dealer influencing a spin. That just blew me away when I read that. I rarely tipped. But I will now.
Going to the .50 cent and $1. tables gives one confidence to try new strategies. George, I can't thank you enough for revieiwing this book.
Canuck,
I am deeply grateful for your generous "Thank You" and of course Brett Morton is the ultimate sharer of the information.
As Iggiv said, there is a lot of other information in the book that is very useful. I didn't mention anything about the last section because, at least for the foreseeable future, I'm not going to be playing anywhere overseas.
The main reason for my review was to present a different method of play other than the implied method most of us present with our negative progression systems.
This is a good example of why we shouldn't get too discouraged when we don't get much of a response to a post we've made. You never know when someone like Canuck may get 1 thing out of it that makes a big difference in his approach to the game. There may be many others out there that got something also and we'll never hear from them. I hope so.
I appreciate WannaWin's encouragement to me when I first started posting and made a comment to the effect that it was discouraging to not get any response and he pointed out that if even 1 person got even 1 new idea, then it's worth the effort. Just assume that someone got something and keep going.
Cheers All,
George
@GLC
Speaking for myself (and possibly others in the same leaking mental-acuity boat LOL) it often takes time to read, assimilate and understand quite high-level stuff such as in this thread.
A different way of thinking...it all takes time to ponder, to evaluate, and to work out if it fits one's own 'comfort 'zone' and risk profile.
And because of all that thinking that's going on posts will inevitably be light on in the initial stages.
So take heart, mate.
Lots of reading and thinking going on about what you're saying...You're NOT wasting your time and not unappreciated... :thumbsup:
Esoito,
Thanks Mate. I appreciate you encouraging all of us. That's what I was also trying to do for others. I'm getting fairly used to no response when I post a mundane, run-of-the-mill system. Most of the time, I'm glad nobody pursues some of them because they're not worth pursuing.
I test an idea. It wins really well. I post it on the forum. I test it some more. It tanks like to the bottom of the ocean. I have egg on my face. I hope nobody play it for real money for fear that they'll come hunting me down. etc...
Cheers
At the end of the book the author gives a summary of 4 challenges he took. The challenge was to win 4000 chips. He had a fighting fund of 1000 chips. But he only took 200 chips to the casino. This was enough for 2 games starting with 100 chips each.
Tip: 100 chips may feel too few for safety. If your fighting fund is large enough, you can take as much as 300 chips to the casino. But, it is good discipline to try to be successful with 100 chips. It helps you play mean and teaches you to be grateful for even the smallest wins.
The basics of his challenges was as stated above 1000 unit fighting fund taking 200 units to the casino each day.
His loss limit was 30 units in the beginning. Even 2 bad games meant he could go home with 140 units. A 30 unit loss limit teaches you to play very tight. This is the only way to play no matter how large you funds.
His first challenge:
He played even chances.
He played minimum table stakes.
He followed the wheel.
He played level stakes on each loss.
If he lost 3 times on R/B, he would go to one of the other even chances like Odd/Even.
On the first win he let all chips ride.
If the 2nd bet was a winner, he returned to his base bet.
As stated above he had a 30 unit loss limit.
He had no Gold Top or BLT since he hadn't developed those ideas at the time.
He had a win target of 35 units.
At 1000 chips won, he doubled his base stakes, win target and loss limit.
He set a safety net figure of 250 chips loss from his fighting fund when he reached the double base bet stage.
He increased his stakes by double again when he reached 2000 units up. and his safety net loss to 500 chips before reverting to lower stakes.
He doubled again after reaching up 3000 units.
He enjoyed following the wheel although instinctively he felt that runs of even chances must end and is more comfortable betting against the wheel. Nevertheless, this challenge showed that playing follow the wheel, playing 2 in a row on a letting it ride basis, can be a winner.
He never needed more than 100 units to reach 4100 unit level.
2nd Challenge:
Had come up with Gold Top and BLT targets.
He bet on even chances and against the wheel.
He waited for a pattern of 6 to form.
He took 200 chips to the casino.
Started at minimum stakes.
Set a loss limit of 30 units.
Gold Top of 45.
BLT of 15.
He was not level betting after each loss. He bet 5-5-15
If the 1st bet won, he let everything ride for the 2nd bet and this bet was not necessarily the very next spin since he was playing against the wheel. If the 2nd bet won that was the end of the sequence with 15 units profit.
If the 1st bet lost, he bet 5 units again as a level bet.
If the 2nd bet lost, he raised the stake to 15 units.
If the 3rd bet lost, he went back to the base bet and repeated 5-5-15 until he won or had reached his loss limit.
If after 2 losing bets, the bet at 15 won, he let it ride, staking 30 units.
he then went back to the base bet of 5 units.
He set the same 1000, 2000, 3000, parameters as the 1st challenge.
Third Challenge:
He played even chances again.
He played a base bet of 10 units.
He played follow the wheel.
He used the parlay.
Everything else was the same as the first 2 challenges.
Note: This system led to the best results quickest. He thinks this would have been just as successful as waiting for a sequence of six and betting against the wheel. However, following the wheel, you get more constant action, as there is no need to wait for a pattern or sequence of six to develop.
Forth Challenge:
He played 2 dozens.
He played against the wheel.
He used the 3 to 1 bet. 15 units on High or Low and 5 unit on the line that completes the 24 numbers.
He waited for 3 numbers in either the 1st dozen or the 3rd dozen then bet the other 24 numbers.
He cashed 200 chips as cash for 2 games.
Loss limit was 60.
Happy point was 50.
Gold Top was 70.
BLT was 20.
He stated that he would never now set a higher loss limit than Happy point, but back then he was still honing his methods.
He was level betting 20 units until a win.
He increased the stakes only slightly on a win to 18 on the High or Low and 6 on the line that completed the 24 numbers. And then went back to the base stakes. Of course this was not 3 consecutive spins, but 3 consecutive suitable bets.
He played only on single zero wheels with a loss of half stakes on even chances when zero spins.
Conclusions from the 4 challenges.
The parlay is best used when following the wheel.
When betting against the wheel, playing 2 in a row with the second bet increased but not doubled and then back to the base bet works well.
The Gold Top target made it quicker to reach +4000.
The BLT was the best innovation but was the toughest discipline of all.
Level bets on all losses works the best.
Letting it ride on the third bet was fun if successful but a killer if it lost.
He has given up the let it ride bets.
He always looks for neighbor bet and footprints and these bets over-ride all other bets.
Without discipline there is nothing.
Tip: So long as your basic approach is sound, you can win with a variety of systems or with variations that suit you.
One Note: He says that he would not recommend a 100 unit buy-in if you can afford more. Learning to win with 100 units is good discipline to start with, but to win on a regular basis is easier with more units to work with.
From the emphasis he puts on the single zero wheel and the favorable rules for even chance bets in UK and other casino over there, makes me feel like we Yanks are starting out in a pretty deep hole here in the US.
I hope this gives some of you something to chew on.
It's late and most of you guys are already snoring, so I think I'll call it a night.
Cheers,
G
Hi
Interesting read indeed,im not snoring just woke up,its only 8:47 a. m here in paradise. . haha
Cheers
Seykid.
George,
The Question is about Steaks and Chops, ie. playing with the wheel, or against the wheel.
Does one look at a sequence and then say to oneself, the sequence will end now?
How does a player decide that?
I just want you to know. I had a 5 hour flight home from Vegas today and I spent about 3 hours re reading the posts that you made. I copied and pasted it into word.
The point is, that your discussion of Brett's book was written simply and clearly.
The money management discussion was crucial.
But obviously choosing to go against a sequence is tricky when one is in the heat of the moment with spins.
How does everyone decide when to go Steaks(with the current sequence) or Chops(killing the sequence) I actually got confused today looking at the wheel. And did the right thing by not playing after having played a bunch, and not very well.
But I did make notes of all my sessions on the plane ride home and gleaned a lot of truths. And the main truth is to have other ways of making money to support my roulette tuition fees.
"I hope nobody play it for real money for fear that they'll come hunting me down. etc..."
The posse is already on its way... :)
Don't fret about that. We're all big boys now -- we must take responsibility for our own actions and decisions.
If somebody follows your idea(s) with real $$ and loses then that's their choice -- nobody made the decision for them!
Canuck,
Brett indicates two ways of deciding 1) He watches the boards until he sees a tendency for chops or streaks. Then decides. 2) If he spots a dealer that he know has a tendency to deal streaks, he goes with them. I guess a third way is 3) He decides which way he's going to play before going to the casino. This third way seems to be the weakest.
Consider doing what Ken (MrJ) does with even chances. He watches all three and chooses one until it goes bad, then jumps to one of the other ones that is trending better. This goes for either way. I think the best way is to check what's happening at the time and go with that until it changes and then you change.
He has set lengths for sequences for betting against the wheel. Even chances are 6 in a row. This can be 6 Reds or Blacks, Odds or Evens etc... Or it can be 6 spins that creates a pattern that is too pretty to continue like RRBBRR or RBRBRB or RRBRRB or RBRRBR etc... When betting against, he usually bets a max of 4 tries for a win. If no win, he waits for another trigger. He keeps his bet level after a loss, and when he gets a win, he increases by less than a full parlay. Re-read my posts of his trip to the casinos. His progression seems to be 10-20-30-50-75-100-150-200. If he loses once he's started up the progression, he plays like Contra D'Alembert, that is move 1 step to the right on a win and 1 step to the left on a loss. He is also taking into consideration his BLT, Happy Point, Gold Top when deciding how much to bet.
Hope this helps.
George
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Hi GLC, ;)
I for one, very much enjoyed your book review - Thank you! I like and appreciate all your posts, and how you recommend the best ways to play certain bets more carefully. I promptly bought this book to take with me on Easter vacation and found it a very good read. And I picked up some tips I liked. I also took you with me on vacation too, as I printed out pages and pages of your posts to read...! :D
Kindest regards,
K
Iggiv, Thank you so much for posting that great link to the High Stakes Gambling Bookshop... I didn't even know there was such a speciality store. Lots more books for me to read! ;) K
u r very welcome ;D
Quote from: Lady K on Apr 26, 05:11 PM 2011
Hi GLC, ;)
I for one, very much enjoyed your book review - Thank you! I like and appreciate all your posts, and how you recommend the best ways to play certain bets more carefully. I promptly bought this book to take with me on Easter vacation and found it a very good read. And I picked up some tips I liked. I also took you with me on vacation too, as I printed out pages and pages of your posts to read...! :D
Kindest regards,
K
I accept that compliment.
If you get even one new idea from a post, it's worth reading even if it isn't the H. G.
Good luck to you.
G
Quote from: GLC on Jan 30, 12:11 PM 2011
Win Targets:
Brett states that the foundation for being able to win in the casino is "discipline". Without discipline it's better stay away from the roulette table.
Next in importance is managing your money. This incorporates establishing concrete rules made in advance and sticking to them. Snap decisions are valid depending on circumstances, but only after you have complete control of your game which comes through practice, practice, practice. And most of this practice is in the casino itself. Practicing at a demo wheel has it's place, but it will not instill the fundamental disciplines needed to win over the long haul.
Okay, enough philosophy for now.
Brett has a stop loss and 4 win targets. We start at the ground level. Our loss limit is below ground level and our 4 win targets are above. The win targets are named BTL or Bottom Line Target. This is a safety net. The next target is called Happy Point. This is also a safety net. Thrid is Gold-Top. This is also a safety net. Finally he has Jackpot.
Here's how they work. BTL is the safety net that you can't fall below once you have reached Happy Point. Happy point is a target that if you reach it you will be happy with that win when you leave the casino. This is set by you and is dependent on your personal circumstances but mostly overall bank available.
Gold-Top is when you're on a roll and do even better than Happy-Point. Once you've reached Gold-Top don't place a bet that will take you below Happy Point if it loses.
Jackpot is the undefined amount when you go even beyond Gold-Top.
So, each plateau is also a safety net for the level above. BTL doesn't come into play until you reach Happy Point.
When setting these targets, we need to think in terms of percentages.
Loss Limit is 20% to 50% of your session bank roll. He prefers close to 20%, but it's up to you and should be a result of knowledge gained from you experience at the casinos.
BLT is at 15-20%. Ignore BLT until you reach Happy Point. It's not enough to be happy with. Better to risk you stop loss and continue trying for Happy Point.
Happy Point is 30%. Happy Point is not your final win target. It is a sum that is sensible in percentage terms compared to your cash for the game and enough to make you happy.
Gold Top is 50%. It's a big win. If you can reach Gold-Top 4 out of 5 trips to the casino, you're a professional roulette player. Congratulations. Remember, once you reach Gold Top never drop below Happy Point while trying to reach Jackpot.
Jackpot is an unfixed sum and only comes around on a rare occasion, but we need to prepare for it when we find ourselves in that inviable position of feeling like we just can't lose today. Once you reach Gold-Top you have the money between Gold-Top and Happy Point to invest in going on to a figure that feels like a Jackpot. If you don't feel that confident after reaching Gold-Top, then take your winnings and leave with a big grin on your face. If you decide to go for Jackpot and find Happy Point safety net saving you from a big drawdown, then you must accept the reality that Happy Point is there to make you Happy not be frustrated because you risked going for Jackpot and wound up losing below Gold-Top in the process. That's what it's there for.
Save for the largest fighting fund you can so that when you go to the casinos you don't feel like you have to win really big percentages to leave a happy person. If you go with a $100 bank and leave with $30 win, that doesn't feel nearly so good as going with a $1000 bank and leaving with $300 dollars.
Enough for now. I'll continue this section on my next post with some examples and tips.
George for Brett
I think I am going to have to find this book somewhere! Thanks so much GLC for posting all this info; I need to do some more familiarizing with the systems that I see outlined here on the forum. But the funny thing is that I have been doing the other things every time I go to the casino and have always won more than I have lost. Thanks again!
the good news, bud, is that you don't have to look for it "somewhere"
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Quote from: iggiv on Jun 08, 09:33 AM 2014
the good news, bud, is that you don't have to look for it "somewhere"
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Ha! Awesome Iggiv, you rock! I appreciate the link. Everyone here is so helpful. I really need to study more of a stats based way of playing. I play emotionally and although I do quite well, I should maybe figure out why and if there is a way to improve even more. Thanks again!