*MATRIX VERTICAL 5* (Randoms BLACKHOLE)
I believe However we may choose to play the MATRIX this will be the ULTIMATE compromise of acceptable betting frequency. And ultimate INVINCIBILITY. We know since ATLANTIS, TWISTER and myself first forged this METHOD.
Random doesn't like doing too many QUADS too often. Well it likes FIVE POINTERS EVEN LESS. Six consecutive QUADS may be INVINCIBLE. But, it will cost us 242 units to buy in.
MATRIX VERTICAL 5 Offers even more INVINCIBILITY for an attractive buy in *80 UNITS*. OKAY the RULES...
1,We record spins in rows of five for the dozens. To make a MATRIX 5.
2,Our trigger is a VERTICAL COLUMN OF 5 or more of the same DOZEN.
3,We now wait for the next DOZEN to form a vertical QUAD, four of the same DOZEN. And bet against it becoming A FIVE POINTER.
4, We do this for up to FOUR TIMES using a 4 STEP PROGRESSION. The classic 1,3,9,27 x 2. Total risk 80 POINTS.
5, Everytime we double our starting BANK. We double our stakes, up to 16 points a win I recommend.
6, Aim for 4 POINTS A SESSION, (OPTIONAL) If the method is looking unbeatable on a LIVE WHEEL, Play your first 26 points profit against a 3 STEP PROGRESSION, while still playing RULES 1-4 for the 4 STEP using your original 80 points. This will greatly speed up profits and shorten playing time.
I believe the PATIENCE needed to play MATRIX VERTICAL 5, Will be rewarded. This will prove to be a TRUE HOLY GRAIL on a LIVE WHEEL. The journey begins here. I will post my results weekly. Thankyou.....
SuperNova Proof :o :o :o
I too will Post my results weekly :thumbsup:
so here it begins 8)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 29, 04:49 PM 2011
SuperNova Proof :o :o :o
I too will Post my results weekly :thumbsup:
Love that *SUPERNOVA PROOF*. Uh ZIG ZAG pimms and salmon and cucumber for me too. LoL.
Lets get the Matrix sunglasses and spin the wheel ;D
A new era of dominance is upon us.
I am going to tattoo these rules onto my own chest
Its just as the Matrix 4 quad but now only 5 instead and 5 wide grid instead of 7 right?
but JL you did saw four 5 pointers in a row so a 3 step progression could lose so we always need to use the 4 step dont you think ?
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 29, 05:00 PM 2011
A new era of dominance is upon us.
I am going to tattoo these rules onto my own chest
Imagine what the wife would think then :D :D :D
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 29, 05:01 PM 2011
Its just as the Matrix 4 quad but now only 5 instead and 5 wide grid instead of 7 right?
Pretty Much ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 29, 05:02 PM 2011
Pretty Much ;D
Yes. This will test our patient maximum ;D
What means cucumber ? :)
I will start test on RNG to :)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 04:47 PM 2011
*MATRIX VERTICAL 5* (Randoms BLACKHOLE)
6, If the method is looking unbeatable on a LIVE WHEEL, Play your first 26 points profit against a 3 STEP PROGRESSION, while still playing RULES 1-4 for the 4 STEP using your original 80 points. This will greatly speed up profits and shorten playing time.
Hi John. Can you explain this a little more simply for me? I'm from Rochdale you see :D
Thanks JohnL,
"So many black holes... so little time."
:thumbsup:
A.
I cant even get the trigger 5 in a row on RNG 20 min spinning fast :o
This is buletproof once you get the trigger
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 29, 05:09 PM 2011
Hi John. Can you explain this a little more simply for me? I'm from Rochdale you see :D
Its just like the matrix vertical 4 quad but only 5 wide grid and wait trigger of 5 and bet on 4 not to become a 5 quad with progression 1 3 9 27.
Isnt that right?
thats why i was thinking about a 3 step should be enough 1-1 3-3 9-9 or with 52 bank
2-2 6-6 9-9
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 05:22 PM 2011
That's why I was thinking about a 3 step should be enough 1-1 3-3 9-9 or with 52 bank
2-2 6-6 9-9
Yes. This will be hard to play on live table to get a 5 trigger and then 4 to bet. Its hard to get the 4 trigger on the matrix vertical.
But this 5 is a winner for the man with the patient. It will never produce 4 five in a row its imposible for random to do. But we must get the 5 first ;D
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 05:22 PM 2011
That's why I was thinking about a 3 step should be enough 1-1 3-3 9-9 or with 52 bank
2-2 6-6 9-9
2-2 6-6 9-9
or
2-2 6-6 18-18 ?
I think a 3 step *may* be enough, time will tell.
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 05:01 PM 2011
But JL you did saw four 5 pointers in a row so a 3 step progression could lose so we always need to use the 4 step don't you think ?
Thats on an RNG OVER 12,000 spins Post, on a live wheel its hard to find more than two in a row over 20,000 SPINS...
i would choose the 3 step for this ;)
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 29, 05:18 PM 2011
I can't even get the trigger 5 in a row on RNG 20 min spinning fast :o
This is buletproof once you get the trigger
Jon it survived 12,000 spins on a RNG NASTY Ladbrokes. So that doesnt surprise me.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 05:38 PM 2011
Jon it survived 12,000 spins on a RNG NASTY Ladbrokes. So that doesn't surprise me.
Yes ;D i will keep spinning on rng and wait for it:)
What progression would be best to use?
The 1 3 9 27?
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 29, 05:43 PM 2011
Yes ;D I will keep spinning on rng and wait for it:)
What progression would be best to use?
The 1 3 9 27?
Yes that's the one 80 units to own ROULETTE. I've just played a session on Ladbrokes RNG
23232
12233
23231
12113
32321
32132
33122
33312
13332
33331
33331-TRIGGER COL 2, DOZ 3
11133-WIN DOZ 3, COL 3
12213
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 29, 05:58 PM 2011
Yes that's the one 80 units to own ROULETTE. I've just played a session on Ladbrokes RNG
23232
12233
23231
12113
32321
32132
33122
33312
13332
33331
33331-TRIGGER COL 2, DOZ 3
11133-WIN DOZ 3, COL 3
12213
Yes I see:) I will let the wheel keep on turning for the night.
John.
This is good :)
live we could play only three steps dont you think JL ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 06:06 PM 2011
Live we could play only three steps don't you think JL ?
I agree:) trigger and 3 stepps is enough. This will not lose on a live wheel if we are able to get the trigger and the bet in a day :D LOL.
Patient is the word today:)
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 06:06 PM 2011
Live we could play only three steps don't you think JL ?
Post.
What 3 stepp sould we use?
start with 52
2-2
6-6
18-18
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 06:06 PM 2011
Live we could play only three steps don't you think JL ?
It seems so Post, I would say win at least 20 points first then go for it.
You will build your bankroll mutch faster with the 3 steps
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 06:15 PM 2011
You will build your bankroll mutch faster with the 3 steps
Yes :thumbsup:
Quote from: Post on Mar 29, 06:15 PM 2011
You will build your bankroll mutch faster with the 3 steps
Nice :)
We can play both matrix at the same time without problem now :)
I know I am starting to sound like a broken record, but consider the Grand Marti: 1,4,13,40 (116 buy-in) or 2, 8, 26 (72 buy-in) if you prefer the higher-stakes, 3-step method. Since we have fewer betting opportunities, this will reward you with one unit every single spin, not just one every time you win. This method sounds unbelievably solid!! Take advantage of all of it!! Best of luck to everyone here - this will be a champ for a long, happy time to come!
Outstanding work, John Legend!!
ZigZag
Whats the name of your avatar? :)
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 29, 06:28 PM 2011
ZigZag
what's the name of your avatar? :)
Elmo :)
I'll test it too. On RNG.
I have attached a basic tracker to help not miss any betting opportunities. The spreadsheet has conditional formatting, meaning that it will alert you whenever you have a bet to make. There are two tabs at the bottom of the spreadsheet: numbers and dozens. If you prefer entering the dozens, choose that tab and fill in the number 1-3 or 0 in the first 5 columns. The only real benefit to that is it will alert you in the mirror matrix to the right so you don't miss bets, especially during autospins that are coming fast and furious. For people that choose to enter the actual number of the spin, you can do so on the "numbers" tab and the spreadsheet will make the conversion for you. Note: This will not let you know when you have your first trigger quintet. I will work on that later this week - just wanted to get this into your hands early for testing purposes.
The spreadsheet I just posted needs Excel 2007 or better for the conditional formatting to work.
Thank you very much!
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 29, 06:22 PM 2011
I know I am starting to sound like a broken record, but consider the Grand Marti: 1,4,13,40 (116 buy-in) or 2, 8, 26 (72 buy-in) if you prefer the higher-stakes, 3-step method. Since we have fewer betting opportunities, this will reward you with one unit every single spin, not just one every time you win. This method sounds unbelievably solid!! Take advantage of all of it!! Best of luck to everyone here - this will be a champ for a long, happy time to come!
Outstanding work, John Legend!!
Thankyou Colbster, nice idea for the staking. That has to be the goal to get as much out of every win as possible. Knowing this ones Supernova proof. If you only play one or two games a day. But youre winning 16-20 units. Its all worth it. Im aiming for three wins a day.
JohnL,
Are you still going to release PATTERN BREAKER as stated on the 1st April?
Or is that just an April Fool windup? :twisted:
Cheers,
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 30, 04:56 AM 2011
JohnL,
Are you still going to release PATTERN BREAKER as stated on the 1st April?
Or is that just an April Fool windup? :twisted:
Cheers,
A.
Yes Atlantis, its the last gem I have to give. And believe me its no April fool with a 14 point buy in, to make 2pts a win for starters and an impressive strike rate. It will compliment the Matrices perfectly. And I MAY as well let the cat out of the bag while I'm at it. SCOOBY has something special up his sleeve too. So you lot are getting spoilt over the next few weeks. After that my time will be spent helping newbies perfect the methods and reporting my results. You will have some serious firepower on this forum to best roulette with.. ;D
Hi John,
That really is terrific news. These are exciting times on the forum indeed. :smile:
Atlantis.
Its not going so well lol :'(
200 Spins in my 5x and not one Quad let alone a 5 timer !!!
Zip Zero Nil Nada Nothing Phuck All :D
How is everyone else fairin ??
This was on PP live slingshot wheel
Also in that time I only had 7 Trips !
Yes 200 Real Spins :o :o :o
Anyone ??!??
well i t can happen just have patience ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 07:32 AM 2011
Well I t can happen just have patience ;)
LOL 200 spins and not even a Trigger :D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 07:34 AM 2011
LoL 200 spins and not even a Trigger :D
Thats what i said:) if we get the trigger and next 4 to bet i will bet big :thumbsup: LOL
you can start with 78 units for a 3 unit win then after 26 wins 6 unit win than so on 12 24 48 and then you are making enough after 100 wins you are already making a lot ;)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 07:29 AM 2011
Its not going so well LoL :'(
200 Spins in my 5x and not one Quad let alone a 5 timer !!!
Zip Zero Nil Nada Nothing Phuck All :D
How is everyone else fairin ??
This was on PP live slingshot wheel
Also in that time I only had 7 Trips !
Yes 200 Real Spins :o :o :o
Anyone ??!??
TWISTER GET AN ACOUNT WITH BETFREDS, I gaurantee youll get FIVE POINTERS in 150 spins. Also you need to rethink your stance about RNGS. MATRIX VERTICAL 5 is killing LADBROKES. Im playing real deniro have just completed 15 games a walk in the park people. two five pointers the worst in 15 games.
*WE MAY HAVE THE ULTIMATE RNG KILLER HERE GUYS* ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Maybe you can use a 3 wide for live wheel and 5 wide for RNG. I was playing Matrix30 last night while waiting for a trigger on Matrix5. It never came :lol: but the good news is that you dont have to wait so long for a 5 pointer on a 3 wide
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 09:19 AM 2011
TWISTER GET AN ACOUNT WITH BETFREDS, I gaurantee youll get FIVE POINTERS in 150 spins. Also you need to rethink your stance about RNGS. MATRIX VERTICAL 5 is killing LADBROKES. I'm playing real deniro have just completed 15 games a walk in the park people. two five pointers the worst in 15 games.
*WE MAY HAVE THE ULTIMATE RNG KILLER HERE GUYS* ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
JL, you may be right mate :o
Had 500 spins today and only had 3 Quads !
One of which became a 5 timer
Thats it !
This 5x Grid is very good if you wanna play doubles not becomin trips. Had loads of those today
Started this MATRIX VERTICAL 5 off with 5 Banks, just to be safe lol and just not gettin the bets
Played doubles not to become trips and increased one of my banks by 20%
RNG you say ?
hmmmmmm :wink:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 09:53 AM 2011
Maybe you can use a 3 wide for live wheel and 5 wide for RNG. I was playing Matrix30 last night while waiting for a trigger on Matrix5. It never came :LoL: but the good news is that you don't have to wait so long for a 5 pointer on a 3 wide
Hmmmmm, maybe ;D
Opinions everyone ?
o
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 09:53 AM 2011
Maybe you can use a 3 wide for live wheel and 5 wide for RNG. I was playing Matrix30 last night while waiting for a trigger on Matrix5. It never came :LoL: but the good news is that you don't have to wait so long for a 5 pointer on a 3 wide
I agree, I just hope it doesnt compromise the awesome strikerate too much. I know from my testing a 3 wide grid can produce FIVE QUADS with ease. Lets hope Five FIVE POINTERS is a step TOO FAR. Zig Zag you test it THREE WIDE Im going to test it FOUR WIDE LIVE. FIVE WIDE on an RNG seems perfect averaging one trigger or PLAYED GAME every 80 spins.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 10:02 AM 2011
Hmmmmm, maybe ;D
Opinions everyone ?
Twister no harm in trying with small stakes, I really think its too much even for an RNG. I Think ZIG ZAG has come up with the solution MATRIX 5 on a three wide grid live and five wide grid RNG. Lets see how that goes. Ive seen many five pointers live three wide Twister and five quads can form three wide effortlessly.
what we do when we have zero ...... and again zero vertical ?????? the patern brakes with zero and again zero ....
Quote from: SAKIS on Mar 30, 11:13 AM 2011
What we do when we have zero ...... and again zero vertical ?????? the patern brakes with zero and again zero ....
We use the Twisteruk ZERO STIPULATION, and that column becomes void. A FIVE POINTER, QUAD or TRIP must be pure.
Quote from: SAKIS on Mar 30, 11:13 AM 2011
What we do when we have zero ...... and again zero vertical ?????? the patern brakes with zero and again zero ....
Thats an excellent question :thumbsup:
We have covered this in depth in the other threads
The upshot is, you ignore all previous info before the Zero. Basically in that column you start over, so if you have a column like this
3
3
3
0
2
2
You ignore the previous 3 dozen info and work on from, in this case, the 2 dozen info
Even if you get this line of info
3
3
3
0
3
You still ignore the previous info before the Zero
Hope that helps :)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 11:34 AM 2011
We use the Twisteruk ZERO STIPULATION, and that column becomes void. A FIVE POINTER, QUAD or TRIP must be pure.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 10:31 AM 2011
Twister no harm in trying with small stakes, I really think its too much even for an RNG. I Think ZIG ZAG has come up with the solution MATRIX 5 on a three wide grid live and five wide grid RNG. Lets see how that goes. I've seen many five pointers live three wide Twister and five quads can form three wide effortlessly.
Ok Im gonna give it a whirl with a 3x grid (live wheel) and see what happens :thumbsup:
quit also here?????
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 10:19 AM 2011
I know from my testing a 3 wide grid can produce FIVE QUADS with ease. Lets hope Five FIVE POINTERS is a step TOO FAR. Zig Zag you test it
I will test 3 wide tonight but a 4 wide may strike the right balance for live wheel without harming the strikerate too much :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 10:01 AM 2011
This 5x Grid is very good if you wanna play doubles not becomin trips. Had loads of those today
Maybe that could be the improved way for playing matrix3 ;)
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 12:19 PM 2011
I will test 3 wide tonight but a 4 wide may strike the right balance for live wheel without harming the strikerate too much :thumbsup:
My thoughts EXACTLY Zig Zag. Its quite remarkable how the width of the grid used can affect the outcome for a set of results. With the difficulty TWISTER was having to get even a QUAD for the FIVE WIDE GRID. Maybe that would be the ultimate width for MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD. And a FOUR WIDE GRID the ultimate for MATRIX VERTICAL 5.
Another reason I have this thought is my first MATRIX 50 method was recorded for over 20,000 live spins on a FIVE WIDE GRID. Only two four QUADS showed up in all that time.
Okkk will test with a 4x Grid :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 12:48 PM 2011
Okkk will test with a 4x Grid :thumbsup:
Yes Twister we both know this is SUPERNOVA PROOF. I really believe weve found the limit of even an RNG with this one. Ive played 20 games now. Im not even being tested. TRIGGER WIN, TRIGGER WIN, TRIGGER LOSE, WIN. Thats the pattern.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 01:03 PM 2011
Yes Twister we both know this is SUPERNOVA PROOF. I really believe weve found the limit of even an RNG with this one. I've played 20 games now. I'm not even being tested. TRIGGER WIN, TRIGGER WIN, TRIGGER LOSE, WIN. that's the pattern.
JL, you playin 5x on RNG ?
Ok i have just plucked this idea out of the air while having coffee and smoke, and havent tested this, but anyway
You write down last 20 spins
Then write down your matrix
23114 <<---2 doz col 1
23212
23121
23311 Now take away the first dozen out of your first matrix (2 doz, Col 1)
so your next matrix looks like this
31142
32122
31212
3311 So now with same numbers we have 2 different matrix side by side
We now create another 3 matrix using same numbers taking a dozen off the top line, so we will be using same numbers but on 5 different matrix, producing 5 different results giving us 5 TIMES more chance to get a 5 pointer trigger.
Which ever matrix gives us the first bet after a trigger we work with that matrix. After a win we keep using all 5 matrix for other triggers.
Any good or is there something i'm missing ? ??? :-[
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 01:07 PM 2011
JL, you playin 5x on RNG ?
Yes Twister, And it cant deal with FIVE POINTERS. And heres the comparison. I those 20 games there have been two FIVE QUADS, including the five pointers. Its trying to fight its program Twister and it cant. RNG DECODED. :o :o :o :o :o
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 01:08 PM 2011
Ok I have just plucked this idea out of the air while having coffee and smoke, and haven't tested this, but anyway
You write down last 20 spins
Then write down your matrix
23114 <<---2 doz col 1
23212
23121
23311 Now take away the first dozen out of your first matrix (2 doz, Col 1)
so your next matrix looks like this
31142
32122
31212
3311 So now with same numbers we have 2 different matrix side by side
We now create another 3 matrix using same numbers taking a dozen off the top line, so we will be using same numbers but on 5 different matrix, producing 5 different results giving us 5 TIMES more chance to get a 5 pointer trigger.
Which ever matrix gives us the first bet after a trigger we work with that matrix. After a win we keep using all 5 matrix for other triggers.
Any good or is there something i'm missing ? ??? :-[
Excellent idea !!!
10/10 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Buuuuuuuuut I would just write out 3 different matrix's as each number drops
I use squared paper so its easy really
so on your piece of paper the same numbers would look like this,
3x
123
321
211
2
4x
1233
2121
12
5x
12332
12112
Yes ?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 01:13 PM 2011
Yes Twister, And it can't deal with FIVE POINTERS. And heres the comparison. In those 20 games there have been two FIVE QUADS, including the five pointers. Its trying to fight its program Twister and it can't. RNG DECODED. :o :o :o :o :o
Hi Twister
My 5 matrix would look like this with 20 spins of same numbers
1 2 3 4 5
23113 31132 11323 13232 32321
23212 32122 21223 12231 22312
23121 31212 12123 21233 12331
23311 3311 311 11 1
You would convert the matrix 5x for 5 wide, 4x for 4 wide grid and 3x for 3 wide
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 01:29 PM 2011
Hi Twister
My 5 matrix would look like this with 20 spins of same numbers
1 2 3 4 5
23113 31132 11323 13232 32321
23212 32122 21223 12231 22312
23121 31212 12123 21233 12331
23311 3311 311 11 1
You would convert the matrix 5x for 5 wide, 4x for 4 wide grid and 3x for 3 wide
Test it out and report back mate :thumbsup:
Looks really good :)
Will do :thumbsup:
Gentleman,
Haven't posted for a while, and I think that's why I can't seem to figure this out (and the language barrier :( )
I see there's a lot of excitement and would LOVE to share in it, but unfortunately have read the posts regarding these "Matrix" methods but don't get it ???
Would someone please take the time, to perhaps just PM me, or repost a link where this is explained. I would really like to test (the more people, the better the test platform)
Also say which one of the Matrixes would perform the best on RNG.(I prefer this to live wheel)
Regards,
Mauricio
Supernova Proof !
Just been testin out the 3x 4x and 5x Matrix all running together at the same time
BAM !
+10 Units ;D
Lovin it :xd:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 01:29 PM 2011
Hi Twister
My 5 matrix would look like this with 20 spins of same numbers
1 2 3 4 5
23113 31132 11323 13232 32321
23212 32122 21223 12231 22312
23121 31212 12123 21233 12331
23311 3311 311 11 1
You would convert the matrix 5x for 5 wide, 4x for 4 wide grid and 3x for 3 wide
Hi Zigzag,
This is interesting tracking method...
This is sort of like if 5 different players commenced playing MATRIX VERTICAL 5 within a spin of each other... Each matrix shown above would be the current snapshot chart for each of the 5 respective players, from the earliest one who started playing (on the left) to the last of the 5 who joined the table (far right)
Brilliant concept :)
A.
ZigZag,
Here is a spreadsheet that does what you have described. There doesn't appear to be any benefit in the shift, because the quintets will still come after 5 spins, regardless of which matrix you are looking at. Quads trigger the same info on all the 5-matrices. You might have an idea of how to put these into play differently, but here is a tool for testing purposes.
I think I will try to form a spreadsheet next that gives us a 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, and 7- matrix based on the same numbers. These will give different triggers in each matrix.
Let me know if you need anything custom done for your testing needs. Great idea, though!!
That is how I just played it
I wrote the numbers into a 3x 4x and 5x Matrix
And ran all 3 at the same time ;D
Here is a tracker for 3,4,5,6 and 7 matrices. Enter the number of the dozen left to right, beginning with cell A1. There is a freeze on certain cells, so once you get to the right of the matrices, only part of the cells will shift. That is ok - not to worry! Because of the limited number of cells to the right, this is a limited spreadsheet, only going about 240 spins. If you need more, delete and start new with the last spins beginning in A1. I will work to get one that can accomodate more numbers on a vertical basis, which I think will be easier, but I threw this together at work with lots of distractions. Hope it helps! Feedback is welcome - let me know what we need to improve this.
Note: I have not included the dozens conversion formula for this spreadsheet, as I anticipate revisions later. For the time being, only put in the number of the dozen going left to right.
Thanks Colbster!
Quote from: atlantis on Mar 30, 02:57 PM 2011
Hi Zigzag,
This is sort of like if 5 different players commenced playing MATRIX VERTICAL 5 within a spin of each other
A.
Exactly ;D Thanks Atlantis
Hi Colbster the tracker works perfect. Thanks a lot for this. make it so much easier. Lovely job. :thumbsup:
Only one thing. When you type in your first number in at col A, line 1 it then takes you to col A, line 2. After you first number entered, it should be going to line 1, col B
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 03:04 PM 2011
That is how I just played it
I wrote the numbers into a 3x 4x and 5x Matrix
And ran all 3 at the same time ;D
Hows it doing on a 3 wide? Have you had to use a progression yet?
Zig,
Use [Tab] instead of [Enter] to move. You can also use the Right Arrow to move if you prefer.
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 30, 04:23 PM 2011
Zig,
Use [Tab] instead of [Enter] to move. You can also use the Right Arrow to move if you prefer.
Brilliant :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 04:17 PM 2011
Hows it doing on a 3 wide? Have you had to use a progression yet?
3x is very good. Only hit 2nd leg of the progression so far
Just had another +5 Units ;D
+15 Units in total now :xd:
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 30, 04:02 PM 2011
Here is a tracker for 3,4,5,6 and 7 matrices. Enter the number of the dozen left to right, beginning with cell A1. There is a freeze on certain cells, so once you get to the right of the matrices, only part of the cells will shift. That is ok - not to worry! Because of the limited number of cells to the right, this is a limited spreadsheet, only going about 240 spins. If you need more, delete and start new with the last spins beginning in A1. I will work to get one that can accomodate more numbers on a vertical basis, which I think will be easier, but I threw this together at work with lots of distractions. Hope it helps! Feedback is welcome - let me know what we need to improve this.
Note: I have not included the dozens conversion formula for this spreadsheet, as I anticipate revisions later. For the time being, only put in the number of the dozen going left to right.
Nice one mate :thumbsup:
Much appreciated :xd:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 04:50 PM 2011
3x is very good. Only hit 2nd leg of the progression so far
Just had another +5 Units ;D
+15 Units in total now :xd:
Hi.
Do you play it wait for a 5 trigger and bet on 4? Only that you use 3 wide instead of 5?
Jon :)
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 30, 04:52 PM 2011
Hi.
Do you play it wait for a 5 trigger and bet on 4? Only that you use 3 wide instead of 5?
Jon :)
I have 5 banks and Im testin the water with playing 3x 4x 5x wide AT THE SAME TIME
I dont use a Trigger ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 04:57 PM 2011
I have 5 banks and I'm testin the water with playing 3x 4x 5x wide AT THE SAME TIME
I don't use a Trigger ;D
Twister, are you using 3 leg progression or 4?
Cheers
BW
Quote from: buffalowizard on Mar 30, 05:05 PM 2011
Twister, are you using 3 leg progression or 4?
Cheers
BW
4 leg mate
but its not even out of 2nd gear yet :D
how about betting quads with a trigger live ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 05:18 PM 2011
How about betting quads with a trigger live ?
What do you mean post?
Jon
i wanted to say how about playing quads on a 5 wide matrix ? but playing 5 pointers on a 3 wide matrix looks good ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 05:24 PM 2011
I wanted to say how about playing quads on a 5 wide matrix ? but playing 5 pointers on a 3 wide matrix looks good ;)
Yes :)
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 05:24 PM 2011
I wanted to say how about playing quads on a 5 wide matrix ? but playing 5 pointers on a 3 wide matrix looks good ;)
Its smokin :D
Im usin 3x 4x and 5x wide Matrix ;D
so the best is to play 5 pointers on a 3 wide matrix because the 5 wide matrix takes too long ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 05:32 PM 2011
So the best is to play 5 pointers on a 3 wide matrix because the 5 wide matrix takes too long ?
So far, its lookin that way Post yep
I had 500 spins today on a 5x with nothin :o :o :o
5x is good for playin trips not to become quads
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 05:32 PM 2011
So the best is to play 5 pointers on a 3 wide matrix because the 5 wide matrix takes too long ?
That seems to be the general consensus, but all in development stages still
Been testing this with a 3 wide and wow even on a 3 wide 5 pointers don't come so easy :D So i think it could be safe to say a 3 wide should be fine for live wheel :thumbsup:
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 05:32 PM 2011
So the best is to play 5 pointers on a 3 wide matrix because the 5 wide matrix takes too long ?
Yes post youll get more action. Heres the thing, this method is so powerful weve actually got to help random. I'm not kidding, especially live. Twister nearly fell asleep waiting for a QUAD let alone a FIVE POINTER on a FIVE WIDE MATRIX. Weve got to give random a chance to give us what we want. It may come down to playing with no trigger.
In terms of strikerate, lets say A five x five is possible THREE WIDE. It should still deliver a ridiculous strikerate before we surrender our progression. I mean I pulverized a nasty RNG today with 25 easy wins 19 instant wins and 6 second step wins on the FIVE WIDE GRID. Supernova proof for sure.
what do you think about live just play 3 wide and wait for a 5 pointer as trigger ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 05:45 PM 2011
What do you think about live just play 3 wide and wait for a 5 pointer as trigger ?
Ive played it all afternoon after switchin from a 5x but without a Trigger
2 step was it ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 05:42 PM 2011
Twister nearly fell asleep waiting for a QUAD let alone a FIVE POINTER on a FIVE WIDE MATRIX.
Ah ure not wtong mate :D
That 500 spins was worth the experience though
4x is good for 5 timers too :thumbsup:
so i should play 3wide and with a trigger an 3 steps of progression would that be good ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 05:53 PM 2011
So I should play 3wide and with a trigger an 3 steps of progression would that be good ?
Either mate :)
3 step with trigger or 4 without :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 05:48 PM 2011
Ah your not wtong mate :D
That 500 spins was worth the experience though
4x is good for 5 timers too :thumbsup:
Three wide is even better LoL. The bottom line is this thing tames random swallows its sting and sends it home like a pug dog chewing a hornets nest.
Where are all the naysayers now? They always know when theyve got no answer and head for the coast. Guys for once and for all ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALL. LIVE, RNG, AIRBALL, EVEN those dodgy bookmaker machines Twister. Yes today I gave it the ultimate, ULTIMATE TEST. The ticket came out in PROFIT. Roulettes done with the *5*.
what do you mean ?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 06:05 PM 2011
Three wide is even better LoL. The bottom line is this thing tames random swallows its sting and sends it home like a pug dog chewing a hornets nest.
Where are all the naysayers now? They always know when theyve got no answer and head for the coast. Guys for once and for all ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THE ALL. LIVE, RNG, AIRBALL, EVEN those dodgy bookmaker machines Twister. Yes today I gave it the ultimate, ULTIMATE TEST. The ticket came out in PROFIT. Roulettes done with the *5*.
I agree mate, 3x is best but I play 3x 4x and 5x (at the same time) just to get more action ;D
5x is great for bettin against trips to quads
Can you hear the Silence !?!?!?
ECHO ECHO ECHO :D :D :D :xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
:wink:
with the *5* a new methode ?
Hello.
I have uploaded a software in the main Matrix Vertical post to test also this versionof the system. It can also deal with a lot of tweaks (you can choose how many columns for the matrix, dozens or columns, 4 verticals in a row, 5 verticals in a row, etc. . . )
Let me know your thoughts and your test results. . . Mine have not been as good as I expected them to be betting 4 or 5 quads in a row. . . .
Quote from: iamvaljean on Mar 30, 06:18 PM 2011
Hello.
I have uploaded a software in the main Matrix Vertical post to test also this versionof the system. It can also deal with a lot of tweaks (you can choose how many columns for the matrix, dozens or columns, 4 verticals in a row, 5 verticals in a row, etc. . . )
Let me know your thoughts and your test results. . . Mine have not been as good as I expected them to be betting 4 or 5 quads in a row. . . .
We are betting Five x Five Pointers. If you come back telling us these are popping up like daisies in your little bot machine. All will know its a useless format for simulating TRUE RANDOM. Twister was on his second dream today and there was no FIVE POINTER Staring at him FIVE WIDE.
so john legend we play 5 wide and bet quads not becoming 5 pointers ?
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4563. msg44803#msg44803 date=1301524214
We are betting Five x Five Pointers. If you come back telling us these are popping up like daisies in your little bot machine. All will know its a useless format for simulating TRUE RANDOM. Twister was on his second dream today and there was no FIVE POINTER Staring at him FIVE WIDE.
Hi,
No, sorry I did not explain myself correctly. 5x5 are extremely rare, maybe one every 10000 spins. The problem is how many times you have won 1 unit in these 10000 spins. . . . For example, here is a file with 11000+ spins from Wiesbaden casino.
There is only a 5x5 in all those spins. So it is a rare enough event. The only problem I see is you do not get to bet (and 99,9% of the time win the progression) too often so one single progression lost can deplete your acumulated profits.
I want to make clear that the soft does not simulate spins, you feed them (either from a file or you enter them manually).
If you could check wether the rules are correctly implemented, that would be great.
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 06:33 PM 2011
So john legend we play 5 wide and bet quads not becoming 5 pointers ?
We play that way on an RNG Post. On a live or Airball machine we play on a THREE WIDE MATRIX With a TRIGGER.
And bet against 5 pointers ?
just did 400 live spins not even 1 five pointer 3 wide matrix
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 06:10 PM 2011
5x is great for bettin against trips to quad
I just been playing that while waiting for 5 pointer on a 3 wide and its BRILLIANT :xd:
+ 6
Highiest bet step 2
With a trigger could be awsome :thumbsup:
zig zag did you use a trigger ? or not just bet the quads
Quote from: iamvaljean on Mar 30, 06:42 PM 2011
Hi,
No, sorry I did not explain myself correctly. 5x5 are extremely rare, maybe one every 10000 spins. The problem is how many times you have won 1 unit in these 10000 spins. . . . For example, here is a file with 11000+ spins from Wiesbaden casino.
There is only a 5x5 in all those spins. So it is a rare enough event. The only problem I see is you do not get to bet (and 99,9% of the time win the progression) too often so one single progression lost can deplete your acumulated profits.
I want to make clear that the soft does not simulate spins, you feed them (either from a file or you enter them manually).
If you could check wether the rules are correctly implemented, that would be great.
Please feed 20000 through a THREE WIDE MATRIX and report back. Thats what I want to know. I HAVE 12,000 RNG spins recorded. FOUR FIVE POINTERS is the worst result.
We speed our profits by raising stakes. Also try to understand that finding a FIVE X FIVE doesnt mean we will MEET ONE in play. As no ones going to sit through 10,000 spins with short sessions and a loss that rare you could win 1000, 1 easily.
Hi Post
I played without trigger with 4 step but i think wait for trigger is best and do a 3 step
Yes I think you are right that's the grail only needs patience win 4 units a day is good enough ;)
and if you look at the table limits and calculate it good you can see you earn more an hour WITH A TRIGGER since you can double the stakes a lot I would choose to start of with 78units making 3 a win and after 26 wins 6 and 12 24 48 and till the table limits
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 06:56 PM 2011
Hi Post
I played without trigger with 4 step but I think wait for trigger is best and do a 3 step
I have play with trigger and bet on 4 not to be a 5 on a 3 wide matrix and its great. +9 tonight :)
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 06:58 PM 2011
Yes I think you are right that's the grail only needs patience win 4 units a day is good enough ;)
:thumbsup:
Quote from: jon86 on Mar 30, 06:59 PM 2011
I have play with trigger and bet on 4 not to be a 5 on a 3 wide matrix and its great. +9 tonight :)
Jons put it down. This thing is simply unbeatable live. JUST BET AGAINST EVERY QUAD NOT BECOMING A FIVE POINTER. Or have several jugs of black coffee redbull on STANDBY.... :o
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 30, 07:04 PM 2011
Jons put it down. This thing is simply unbeatable live. JUST BET AGAINST EVERY QUAD NOT BECOMING A FIVE POINTER. Or have several jugs of black coffee redbull on STANDBY.... :o
:thumbsup:
You will get plenty of quad triggers on a 3 wide Matrix30 :thumbsup:
So we just bet every quad not becoming a 5 pointer in a 3 wide matrix LIVE?????
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 07:12 PM 2011
So we just bet every quad not becoming a 5 pointer in a 3 wide matrix LIVE?????
Yes Post. (Live Wheel) :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4563. msg44813#msg44813 date=1301525753
Please feed 20000 through a THREE WIDE MATRIX and report back. that's what I want to know. I HAVE 12,000 RNG spins recorded. FOUR FIVE POINTERS is the worst result.
We speed our profits by raising stakes. Also try to understand that finding a FIVE X FIVE doesn't mean we will MEET ONE in play. As no ones going to sit through 10,000 spins with short sessions and a loss that rare you could win 1000, 1 easily.
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4563. msg44813#msg44813 date=1301525753
Please feed 20000 through a THREE WIDE MATRIX and report back. that's what I want to know. I HAVE 12,000 RNG spins recorded. FOUR FIVE POINTERS is the worst result.
We speed our profits by raising stakes. Also try to understand that finding a FIVE X FIVE doesn't mean we will MEET ONE in play. As no ones going to sit through 10,000 spins with short sessions and a loss that rare you could win 1000, 1 easily.
Just fed 16000+ spins (live wheel). File is attached.
See screenshots for the results (stakes are not raised after a win). I found 2 lossing progressions. There was no loss until almost 8000 spins.
I agree with you, testing such long series is not realistic as nobody will sit and play for so long.
The problem is that breaking your play and playing shorter session is no guarantee. You can be lucky and skip that 1/10000 lost progression for a very long time or just hit it the second time you sit at the table, you never know. . .
One doubt I have is. . . Do you clear the matrix only after a win or after?
zig zag how long would it take to wait for a trigger ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 07:27 PM 2011
Zig zag how long would it take to wait for a trigger ?
Not long on a 3 wide not for me today 9+. if not wait for trigger and just bet on all 4 just use 4 stepp instead of the 3. I love wait for trigger with redbull and black coffee :D
But on 5 wide wait all night for trigger :)
well jon if you only use a 3 step you can double after 26 wins if 4 step you need 80 wins so thats why i would like to wait or a 5 pointer the question is how long does it take to find a 5 pointer in the 3 wide matrix
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 07:27 PM 2011
Zig zag how long would it take to wait for a trigger ?
Hi Post. Hmm difficult one that as i have limited data. All i can say is that when i was playing the original Matrix30 i did notice that there would be at least one 5 pointer during most of my sessions, which averaged about 100 spins each session
well if there is one every say 200 spins i am already verry happy ;)
Just did another test. . . 10134 live spins from Berlin casino (file attached).
Not a single 5x5 and 166 betting opportunities. . .
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 07:42 PM 2011
Well if there is one every say 200 spins I am already verry happy ;)
Oh there should be Post, you can get two or three in 200 spins THREE WIDE. Its a vast improvement in turnover on FIVE WIDE. You could start tracking in the evening for a FIVE POINTER. And next morning still be tracking lol.
Quote from: Post on Mar 30, 07:12 PM 2011
So we just bet every quad not becoming a 5 pointer in a 3 wide matrix LIVE?????
Oh dear I'm confused again.Can you explain what that means
If we get a line of the same dozen in a row vertically 4 times we bet that it wont hit again?
If it does we bet another 3 times that the same dozen wont hit again vertically
1
1
1
1
1 Start here? lose
1 lose
2 win? is this correct.
I apologise for being hopeless :embarrassed:
Quote from: moles40 on Mar 31, 03:30 AM 2011
Oh dear I'm confused again.Can you explain what that means
If we get a line of the same dozen in a row vertically 4 times we bet that it wont hit again?
If it does we bet another 3 times that the same dozen wont hit again vertically
1
1
1
1
1 Start here? lose
1 lose
2 win? is this correct.
I apologise for being hopeless :embarrassed:
Wait for a trigger of 5 in a row vertical on a 3 wide grid and then bet on all 4 not to become 5. Only bet each 4 once and if lose wait for next 4 and bet next stepp of progression and so on.
Jon
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 30, 06:51 PM 2011
I just been playing that while waiting for 5 pointer on a 3 wide and its BRILLIANT :xd:
+ 6
Highiest bet step 2
With a trigger could be awsome :thumbsup:
It IS isnt !!! ;D
Love it too :xd:
Well I just tested 400 live spins 3 wide matrix but I didn't got even one 5 pointer to use as trigger I guess this could happen ?
Forgive me if this has been covered elsewhere in this thread, is the zero included in the tracking? And does anyone play "around" it or just retrack?
eg:
112
132
021
133 - in the first col, would you count that as three 1s even though they're broken up by a 0?
or just start tracking again?
Or just don't track the 0 at all (or you could squeeze it in between the columns)
no i doesnt count with a zero in it so keep tracking and like i said i did 400 live spins and had not even one 5 pointer to use as trigger
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 04:01 AM 2011
Well I just tested 400 live spins 3 wide matrix but I didn't got even one 5 pointer to use as trigger I guess this could happen ?
No they're rare as rocking horse s#!%..... Even waiting for a 4 can take a while.
Try playin a 3x 4x and 5x wide Matrix at the same time
5x is excellent for bettin against Trips becomin Quads
Just so we are clear, it would look like this
333
222
111
111
3332
2211
1111
33322
21111
11
etc etc ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 31, 04:28 AM 2011
Try playin a 3x 4x and 5x wide Matrix at the same time
5x is excellent for bettin against Trips becomin Quads
Just so we are clear, it would look like this
333
222
111
111
3332
2211
1111
33322
21111
11
etc etc ;D
Wouldnt that require 3 separate bankrolls? As other betting opportunities may come up in another matrix while you're waiting for another trip/quad to form?
Quote from: eluka on Mar 31, 06:09 AM 2011
Wouldnt that require 3 separate bankrolls? As other betting opportunities may come up in another matrix while you're waiting for another trip/quad to form?
Yeah Twister has said he plays with 3 separate banks.
Hey Twister
What you betting against on a 4 wide?
Cheers :smile:
Quote from: eluka on Mar 31, 06:09 AM 2011
Wouldnt that require 3 separate bankrolls? As other betting opportunities may come up in another matrix while you're waiting for another trip/quad to form?
Yes as Buff says I use a different bank for each Matrix :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 31, 06:54 AM 2011
Hey Twister
What you betting against on a 4 wide?
Cheers :smile:
4x is uncertain at the moment as ive not tested it so much as a 3x or a 5x
buuuuut I have been bettin trips not to become quads and quads not to become 5 pointers ;D
Okkkk first session of the day and ended at +11 Units
Was playing the 3x 4x and 5x Matrix at the same time
The 3x only gave me ONE 5 pointer in that time and a Quad that did not become a 5 pointer !
The 4x gave me THREE Quads that did not become 5 pointers
The 5x gave me plenty of trips that did not become Quads
All on a Live Wheel ;D
how mutch spins did you play twisteruk ?
It was around 2hrs and was 122 Spins :thumbsup:
nice to hear that you saw a five pointer in the 3x matrix if it keeps up and not create four 5 pointers in a row it could be huge :o
Hi Twister
I havent tried the 4 wide yet. I'm happy with just using the 3x and 5x
I have been playing
3 wide (Without trigger)
5 wide (With trigger)
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 07:25 AM 2011
Nice to hear that you saw a five pointer in the 3x matrix if it keeps up and not create four 5 pointers in a row it could be huge :o
Today got a 5 pointer trigger followed by a quad within first 50 spins! :xd:
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 07:25 AM 2011
Nice to hear that you saw a five pointer in the 3x matrix if it keeps up and not create four 5 pointers in a row it could be huge :o
I agree with you Post :thumbsup:
As soon as my Trigger came I was gaggin for a Quad :xd:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 31, 07:48 AM 2011
Hi Twister
I haven't tried the 4 wide yet. I'm happy with just using the 3x and 5x
I have been playing
3 wide (Without trigger)
5 wide (With trigger)
Today got a 5 pointer trigger followed by a quad within first 50 spins! :xd:
Yes its really just to keep things tickin over and provide an extra bet or two ;D
I will see how it performs over the next 1000 spins or so and take it from there :xd:
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 29, 06:22 PM 2011
I know I am starting to sound like a broken record, but consider the Grand Marti: 1,4,13,40 (116 buy-in) or 2, 8, 26 (72 buy-in) if you prefer the higher-stakes, 3-step method. Since we have fewer betting opportunities, this will reward you with one unit every single spin, not just one every time you win. This method sounds unbelievably solid!! Take advantage of all of it!! Best of luck to everyone here - this will be a champ for a long, happy time to come!
Outstanding work, John Legend!!
I'm warming to this. On a 3 wide with trigger! :xd:
Or a 3 step with a zero added on last 2 steps?
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 31, 08:05 AM 2011
I'm warming to this. On a 3 wide with trigger! :xd:
Or a 3 step with a zero added on last 2 steps?
Do you play RNG or live ?
Hi Jon
I play slingshot at the moment with smaller chips then when i build up bank i transfer to live dealer
Hi,
Some tests using Wiesbaden spins. Three sessions. 2200+ spins in total. Betting 4 not to become 5 in a 5x matrix with a 4 step progression. 48 betting opportunities (in average one every 45 spins). 22 units won. No progression lost.
Quote from: iamvaljean on Mar 31, 08:36 AM 2011
Hi,
Some tests using Wiesbaden spins. Three sessions. 2200+ spins in total. Betting 4 not to become 5 in a 5x matrix with a 4 step progression. 48 betting opportunities (in average one every 45 spins). 22 units won. No progression lost.
Ho play 2200 spins?
The result is not right when use number like that. Its good to hear it not lost anyway but its wrong.
If you skip only 2 spins in a session you cange the hole game and result.
A system need real playing test with real livetime spins not 2200 spins. Beacuse we skip spins and that effect the game. :)
Jamvaljean you need to understand its just impossible to test this methode exept from playing it tis too complex for a system to install thats also the strength of the system ;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 09:00 AM 2011
Jamvaljean you need to understand its just impossible to test this methode exept from playing it tis too complex for a system to install that's also the strength of the system ;)
Yes :thumbsup:
To test a system you need the right prameters on how you would play that system.
anyone already saw four 5 pointers in a row on the 3x matrix ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 10:40 AM 2011
Anyone already saw four 5 pointers in a row on the 3x matrix ?
Nowhere near mate
Ive had one and thats it :o :o :o
Ive **seen** 3 in a row on a file. The file ended before the next Quad so no way of knowin if the next Quad became a 5 pointer or not
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 31, 08:05 AM 2011
I'm warming to this. On a 3 wide with trigger! :xd:
Or a 3 step with a zero added on last 2 steps?
Yes Zig Zag. Three wide its playable, yet still Neutron bomb proof live. Five wide its giving what used to be my worst nightmare a hammering. RNG cant break the FIVE.
going to play the 3 wide verry soon hope to not find four 5 pointers in a row :-\
Ive played this all day ;D
ONE 5 Pointer. PERIOD :o :o :o
The Slingshot Real Wheel just cant produce them, so far :D
Just a question on RNG guys,
Which of you are usin RNG ?
Also what Site do you use ?
BV does not allow you to bet on red and black to generate spins
So does your RNG allow free spins ? how many ?
Cheers guys :xd:
how long were you waiting for a trigger overall ?
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 01:27 PM 2011
How long were you waiting for a trigger overall ?
Post, I play without a Trigger
On a live wheel I had almost 500 spins on a 5x with out a Trigger :twisted:
I now play 3x 4x and 5x at the same time :xd:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 31, 01:21 PM 2011
I've played this all day ;D
ONE 5 Pointer. PERIOD :o :o :o
The Slingshot Real Wheel just can't produce them, so far :D
Just a question on RNG guys,
Which of you are using RNG ?
Also what Site do you use ?
BV does not allow you to bet on red and black to generate spins
So does your RNG allow free spins ? how many ?
Twister at ladbrokes you can spin the RNG with 25p on red and black Im playing for 4 points a win so this is no problem for me. FIVE POINTERS RNG PROOF? Its looking that way my friend Im now 47/0 TWO FIVE POINTERS the best it can show me.
Cheers guys :xd:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 31, 12:44 PM 2011
Yes Zig Zag. Three wide its playable, yet still Neutron bomb proof live. Five wide its giving what used to be my worst nightmare a hammering. RNG can't break the FIVE.
3 wide is JUST about playable on live wheel with a trigger, so trying this with a 4 wide you would be climbing the walls from all the caffeine :ooh:
My wheel still can't produce more than one 5 pointer in a row :wink:
JL
How often does the Zero hit and take ure stake ?
I can imagine 50p to generate a spin becomin a bit expensive if that RNG is as bad as you say mate ?
Cheers :xd:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 31, 01:43 PM 2011
3 wide is JUST about playable on live wheel with a trigger, so trying this with a 4 wide you would be climbing the walls from all the caffeine :ooh:
My wheel still can't produce more than one 5 pointer in a row :wink:
LOL :D :D :D
Is true though !
I use the 4x and 5x to bet Trips against Quads while waitin for the 3x to spit out Quads :xd:
I remember bet365 RNG used to let you spin for free but they were always changing the minimum and max almost every month! One month you could play 25p then the next thing that chip has dissapeard >:(
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 31, 01:48 PM 2011
LoL :D :D :D
Is true though !
I use the 4x and 5x to bet Trips against Quads while waitin for the 3x to spit out Quads :xd:
I will start to use the 4x also once i buld up a few banks :thumbsup:
What is the highest number of vertical same dozens in a column you have experienced? So far in my limited testing on a double zero wheel I only had 6 in a column one time and I was testing on 3,4,5,6 & 7 wide matrix's.
Quote from: dennisbelle on Mar 31, 02:26 PM 2011
What is the highest number of vertical same dozens in a column you have experienced? So far in my limited testing on a double zero wheel I only had 6 in a column one time and I was testing on 3,4,5,6 & 7 wide matrix's.
Dont play it that way mate, thats for sure :thumbsup:
Ive seen 11 same dozens in one vertical column :o
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 31, 01:43 PM 2011
JL
How often does the Zero hit and take your stake ?
I can imagine 50p to generate a spin becomin a bit expensive if that RNG is as bad as you say mate ?
Cheers :xd:
Well im fortunate after years of winning to be at a level where losing 50p is no big deal to me. On average you get three ZEROS every 100 spins. On an Rng A FIVE POINTER can show up in less than 50 spins. So I might sacrifice ÂÃ,£1 to win ÂÃ,£16.
is there any good tracker to show 3,4,5,6,7 matrix at the same time...otherwise system seems perfect i have to read it all and then test it ..so which one of matrix is better to start with..thanks
I'm a bit confused then...
Aren't you suppose to follow, input from left to right, wait for trigger then bet opposite dozens?
Using an excel spreadsheet that was provided by one of the fellow members, I just quickly played RNG at Piggspeak, DIDN'T wait for triggers, played 3x 4x 5x , 51 spins
3x
Had 2 quads, played not getting 5 +2
4x
Had 1 run of 6!!! BUT took progression up to 9 and won ;D
5x
Could play nothing... :(
So far so good. I hope I'm understanding it correclty, otherwise it might come back and bite me in the ankles! :-[
Regards,
Mauricio
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 31, 03:03 PM 2011
Well I'm fortunate after years of winning to be at a level where losing 50p is no big deal to me. On average you get three ZEROS every 100 spins. On an Rng A FIVE POINTER can show up in less than 50 spins. So I might sacrifice ÂÃ,£1 to win ÂÃ,£16.
Ok thanx mate :thumbsup:
What i meant really was, does that Lads RNG screw you for gettin "free spins" ?
I could just imagine the Zero poppin up more often than it shud, seein as it "knows" ure just generatin "free spins" and make you pay for the privalige :o
Quote from: maestro on Mar 31, 03:04 PM 2011
Is there any good tracker to show 3,4,5,6,7 matrix at the same time...otherwise system seems perfect I have to read it all and then test it ..so which one of matrix is better to start with..thanks
On a live wheel THREE WIDE ONLY. On an RNG FIVE WIDE IS THE ONE. Everyone knows RNGS are harder to beat than a real wheel. But right now MATRIX VERTICAL 5 has set an RNG a test it cannot handle. So if an RNG cant beat it. We arent even getting a trigger FIVE WIDE LIVE. So weve got to make it EASIER for true random by narrowing the grid. So a HOT DOZEN will eventually dominate a block and give us our trigger.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 30, 06:10 PM 2011
I agree mate, 3x is best but I play 3x 4x and 5x (at the same time) just to get more action ;D
5x is great for bettin against trips to quads
Can you hear the Silence !?!?!?
ECHO ECHO ECHO :D :D :D :xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
:wink:
---------------
twist, I play with 5x betting against trips become quads and with a trigger. I've seen 5 quads form on doz and 6 quads on col.
vundarosa
Quote from: Maui13 on Mar 31, 03:05 PM 2011
I'm a bit confused then...
Aren't you suppose to follow, input from left to right, wait for trigger then bet opposite dozens?
Using an excel spreadsheet that was provided by one of the fellow members, I just quickly played RNG at Piggspeak, DIDN'T wait for triggers, played 3x 4x 5x , 51 spins
3x
Had 2 quads, played not getting 5 +2
4x
Had 1 run of 6!!! BUT took progression up to 9 and won ;D
5x
Could play nothing... :(
So far so good. I hope I'm understanding it correclty, otherwise it might come back and bite me in the ankles! :-[
Regards,
Mauricio
Ah mate, sound like ure playin it wrong
If ure playin Quads NOT to become 5 pointers and it DOES become a 5 pointer then thats that with that 5 numbers. Leave it alone. Its done.
You now need to wait for a new Quad to form
Someone played it that way the other day and posted that they had lost their entire Bank Roll playin a column to 6 7 8 9 10 and bust
Hope that helps :)
Quote from: vundarosa on Mar 31, 03:17 PM 2011
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twist, I play with 5x betting against trips become quads and with a trigger. I've seen 5 quads form on doz and 6 quads on col.
vundarosa
Hi vundarosa
Yes I too have seen 5 Quads. On RNG and on Live Results but that was playin a 7x
I'm courious to know what can be done with a 2 WIDE betting against 5 pointers
Or would that be pushing it??? :wink:
Will test tonight :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 31, 03:30 PM 2011
I'm courious to know what can be done with a 2 WIDE betting against 5 pointers
Or would that be pushing it??? :wink:
Will test tonight :thumbsup:
No idea lol
Look forward to readin ure results :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 31, 03:14 PM 2011
Ok thanks mate :thumbsup:
What I meant really was, does that Lads RNG screw you for gettin "free spins" ?
I could just imagine the Zero poppin up more often than it should, seein as it "knows" your just generatin "free spins" and make you pay for the privilege :o
No strangely enough in this respect it plays fair. AN RNG BECOMES MORE PREDATORY. When you use aggressive STAKING in relation to your bankroll. Lets say for example youve got ÂÃ,£100 and you're staking a progression that has to win in two or three attempts on the usual flawed LAYOUT METHODS. betting RED BLACK. The dozens STRAIGHT, or fools gold a straight up. YOU ARE DOOMED.
It will calculate you spins to bust. and bust you will. With the MATRIX 5 RNGS got a problem. BECAUSE weve taken the game and thrown it into a MATRIX. The RNG needs time to read you. NOW HERES THE CLINCHER FOR ME.
Before with Matrix QUAD. I was snipe betting, BUT with MATRIX 5 Im playing long drawn out sessions to really find out can RNG produce FIVE, FIVE POINTERS, at will. AND YOU KNOW SOMETHING. I dont think it can, its alien to its MANMADE PROGRAM.
I believe we found an RNGS LIMIT. You see its designed to run off 20 reds if you're betting black. But it just cant figure MATRIX 5 OUT.
ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALL. I believe in this more than anything Ive ever played, only PATTERN BREAKER. Can inspire my believe in how owned roulette is once you find randoms WEAKNESSES.
Just putting this out there, but if you bet on the 6 double streets instead, and bet on doubles not to become triples...is that the same as betting on the 3 dozens on quads not becoming quints?
I just thought that it may be a much quicker way of going about things at the same odds.
BW
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 31, 03:36 PM 2011
No strangely enough in this respect it plays fair. AN RNG BECOMES MORE PREDATORY. When you use aggressive STAKING in relation to your bankroll. Lets say for example youve got ÂÃ,£100 and you're staking a progression that has to win in two or three attempts on the usual flawed LAYOUT METHODS. betting RED BLACK. The dozens STRAIGHT, or fools gold a straight up. YOU ARE DOOMED.
It will calculate you spins to bust. and bust you will. With the MATRIX 5 RNGS got a problem. BECAUSE weve taken the game and thrown it into a MATRIX. The RNG needs time to read you. NOW HERES THE CLINCHER FOR ME.
Before with Matrix QUAD. I was snipe betting, BUT with MATRIX 5 I'm playing long drawn out sessions to really find out can RNG produce FIVE, FIVE POINTERS, at will. AND YOU KNOW SOMETHING. I don't think it can, its alien to its MANMADE PROGRAM.
I believe we found an RNGS LIMIT. You see its designed to run off 20 reds if you're betting black. But it just can't figure MATRIX 5 OUT.
ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALL. I believe in this more than anything I've ever played, only PATTERN BREAKER. Can inspire my believe in how owned roulette is once you find randoms WEAKNESSES.
Ah thanx for that JL :thumbsup:
Is Lads min bet 0.25p then ? Much the same as Smartlive
Out of all the RNG's uve played is lads the best ? Have you tried BV ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 31, 02:34 PM 2011
don't play it that way mate, that's for sure :thumbsup:
I've seen 11 same dozens in one vertical column :o
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@twister,
how wide was your matrix? I've yet to see it going over 8 in 5x and 7x matrices
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Mar 31, 03:44 PM 2011
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@twister,
how wide was your matrix? I've yet to see it going over 8 in 5x and 7x matrices
vundarosa
It was when I played a 7x
7 or 8 wasnt unusual but this 11 really stood out :wink:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 31, 03:41 PM 2011
Ah thanks for that JL :thumbsup:
Is Lads min bet 0.25p then ? Much the same as Smartlive
Out of all the RNG's uve played is lads the best ? Have you tried BV ?
Ive played three RNGS only. GOLDEN PALACE, LADBROKES and BET365. Ladbrokes is the hardest of the three to overcome. THE EXACT reason I use it. You get by LADBROKES your METHOD is tougher than TITANIUM X.
MATRIX 5 is not in the PROGRAM Twister. Two wide might be the only way to get real flowing pace live. THREE WIDE AT BETFREDS LIVE. Is producing a trigger every 50-80 spins on average. 24 GAMES PLAYED so far. 22 STEP 1 wins. 2 STEP 2 wins.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 31, 03:57 PM 2011
I've played three RNGS only. GOLDEN PALACE, LADBROKES and BET365. Ladbrokes is the hardest of the three to overcome. THE EXACT reason I use it. You get by LADBROKES your METHOD is tougher than TITANIUM X.
MATRIX 5 is not in the PROGRAM Twister. Two wide might be the only way to get real flowing pace live. THREE WIDE AT BETFREDS LIVE. Is producing a trigger every 50-80 spins on average. 24 GAMES PLAYED so far. 22 STEP 1 wins. 2 STEP 2 wins.
I really wanna try this baby out on BV :D
I may lol
Yep all my wins have been 1 or 2 step
Not even out of 2nd gear :D :D :D ;D :xd: :xd:
and you are playing with a 5 pointer as trigger ?
soon i am going to start playing the 3 wide matrix with5 pointer trigger and aim for 5 units a day LIVE
;)
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 04:01 PM 2011
And you are playing with a 5 pointer as trigger ?
I play Live without a Trigger
IF I play RNG then I wud use a Trigger to start with and see how it went :thumbsup:
What's the most 5pointer you saw on the 3x matrix so far ?
just curious
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 04:22 PM 2011
What's the most 5pointer you saw on the 3x matrix so far ?
just curious
In a single session, one is the most ive seen :xd:
Still not sure if I should wait for a trigger if I do I can use the 3 steps progression
BUT maybe I don't need the trigger at all live and just play 3 steps anyway
what do you think ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Mar 31, 01:21 PM 2011
BV does not allow you to bet on red and black to generate spins
So does your RNG allow free spins ? how many ?
2 chips dozen 1, 2 chips dozen 2, 1 chip 25-30, 1 chip 31-36. Same result as the black/red on the no-zero table.
Quote from: Post on Mar 31, 04:27 PM 2011
Still not sure if I should wait for a trigger if I do I can use the 3 steps progression
BUT maybe I don't need the trigger at all live and just play 3 steps anyway
what do you think ?
If its a live wheel I dont see why you wud get different results from the rest of us
Maybe start with a Trigger, and drop it if you feel the need :thumbsup:
Did a quick test from the German live spins i found here in the forum
Testing 2 WIDE betting against 5 pointer after trigger
387 spins over 2 sessions
You get more action BUT 5 takes you close to the edge
Highiest was STEP 2 AFTER a trigger!!!
Was worth a test but 3 WIDE is the perfect balance for live :thumbsup:
I think i am going to play the 3 wide and bet every quad not to become a 5 pointer see how it goes from there and hope i dont see three 5 pointers in a row :o
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 31, 04:35 PM 2011
2 chips dozen 1, 2 chips dozen 2, 1 chip 25-30, 1 chip 31-36. Same result as the black/red on the no-zero table.
Ah nice one :thumbsup:
Wonder how long it will be before they zero that out !?!?
Quote from: ZigZag on Mar 31, 04:40 PM 2011
Did a quick test from the German live spins I found here in the forum
Testing 2 WIDE betting against 5 pointer after trigger
387 spins over 2 sessions
You get more action BUT 5 takes you close to the edge
Highiest was STEP 2 AFTER a trigger!!!
Was worth a test but 3 WIDE is the perfect balance for live :thumbsup:
AGREED, I know from extensive testing of TWO OF A KIND. When a DOZEN gets hot, if it cant go left to right its going top to bottom. Now the danger is if two dozens get hot one on top of the other. I never saw 4 or 5 FIVE POINTERS on a TWO WIDE grid. But I did see 3 more than would make you comfortable. THREE WIDE IT IS....
Yep John thats what happend. It would zig zag 1 2, 1 3, 1 2, 1 2, 1 2 etc to create the 5 pointer.
3 wide it is :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Mar 31, 03:36 PM 2011
No strangely enough in this respect it plays fair. AN RNG BECOMES MORE PREDATORY. When you use aggressive STAKING in relation to your bankroll. Lets say for example youve got ÂÃ,£100 and you're staking a progression that has to win in two or three attempts on the usual flawed LAYOUT METHODS. betting RED BLACK. The dozens STRAIGHT, or fools gold a straight up. YOU ARE DOOMED.
It will calculate you spins to bust. and bust you will. With the MATRIX 5 RNGS got a problem. BECAUSE weve taken the game and thrown it into a MATRIX. The RNG needs time to read you. NOW HERES THE CLINCHER FOR ME.
Before with Matrix QUAD. I was snipe betting, BUT with MATRIX 5 I'm playing long drawn out sessions to really find out can RNG produce FIVE, FIVE POINTERS, at will. AND YOU KNOW SOMETHING. I don't think it can, its alien to its MANMADE PROGRAM.
I believe we found an RNGS LIMIT. You see its designed to run off 20 reds if you're betting black. But it just can't figure MATRIX 5 OUT.
ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALL. I believe in this more than anything I've ever played, only PATTERN BREAKER. Can inspire my believe in how owned roulette is once you find randoms WEAKNESSES.
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\0/ here \0/ here
played nonstop for 320 spins at playtech rng got +20 units and never went beyond 2nd step. Went to 2nd step twice and had to wait 100s to bet after lost 1st step (no trigger).
early, but looking veerry promising
vundarosa
Hi.
Can someone post the full way to play the way you do it now.
Is it 3 wide with 5 point trigger and bet all quads not to become 5?
With or without trigger both live and RNG?
Thanks. Jon
And progression to use with it.
1.3.9.27?
Jon
If anyone is interested in trying my software to play this method, the distributable file is ready and should work fine with all Windows operating systems...
Link is here:
link:://:.megaupload.com/?d=8D8ESL3A (link:://:.megaupload.com/?d=8D8ESL3A)
All previous pre-releases are now out of date and should not be used.
Guys,
Iamvaljeans software is AWESOME! It lets you set the size of your matrix, both width and length. It tracks dozens, streets and double streets. Great color coordination to let you know about betting opportunities. Keeps track of progressions, allowing for customization if you like the grand marti like I do, and wins and losses. This is a phenomenal tool! Amazing work, valjean (Also like the Les Mis reference)!!! ;D
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 31, 07:00 PM 2011
Guys,
Iamvaljeans software is AWESOME! It lets you set the size of your matrix, both width and length. It tracks dozens, streets and double streets. Great color coordination to let you know about betting opportunities. Keeps track of progressions, allowing for customization if you like the grand marti like I do, and wins and losses. This is a phenomenal tool! Amazing work, valjean (Also like the Les Mis reference)!!! ;D
Sounds great, I have never been much good with computer progrrams though. Im still using squared paper and pen to record my results lol.
Would it be worth playing three 3x matrices (or four 4x or five 5x etc) at once to increase betting opportunities?
So if the dozens came out: 123 123 123 123
You could track them:
123
123
123
123
and at the same time
231
231
231
23....
and
312
312
312
3.....
These numbers are for explanation purposes only just so hopefully you see what I mean.
Actually as I'm typing this, I'm watching T1 at Dublinbet which has produced:
333
112
312
312
312
312
333
311
103
Quote from: eluka on Apr 01, 12:54 AM 2011
Would it be worth playing three 3x matrices (or four 4x or five 5x etc) at once to increase betting opportunities?
So if the dozens came out: 123 123 123 123
You could track them:
123
123
123
123
and at the same time
231
231
O231
23....
and
312
312
312
3.....
These numbers are for explanation purposes only just so hopefully you see what I mean.
Actually as I'm typing this, I'm watching T1 at Dublinbet which has produced:
333
112
312
312
312
312
333
311
103
312 four times in a row that's RARE. But at least we know three wide gives us faster play. Dublin net is one of the slowest casinos I've ever seen. I would never use them.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 01, 12:48 AM 2011
Sounds great, I have never been much good with computer progrrams though. I'm still using squared paper and pen to record my results LoL.
You are not alone to use pen and paper :)
Pen and paper rocks :thumbsup:
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 01, 03:59 AM 2011
You are not alone to use pen and paper :)
Pen and paper rocks :thumbsup:
HA HA :D !
Me too ;D
Squared paper rulessssss ;D :xd: :twisted: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 01, 01:17 AM 2011
312 four times in a row that's RARE. But at least we know three wide gives us faster play. Dublin net is one of the slowest casinos I've ever seen. I would never use them.
There's 3 straight quads that lost also, I didnt hang around long after that but it could be a long wait waiting for another quad to then bet the last step of the progression....
Dublinbet is quite quick when there's no-one there, which is usually when I play. For honesty they're one of the better casinos available to me.
hi windows installer will not allow download says the system adminisrator has set policies to prevent this installation any help please
No, Eluka.
There is no benefit to tracking 3 separate matrices of the same width. The width determines how man spins the duplicates have to be. 3-wides will always have 3 spins between vertical neighbors, meaning that regardless of where you start your 3-wide, the same spins will always trigger the same bets.
The edge would come from running multiple matrices of various widths. I put together a very basic spreadsheet that you can download around the 7th or 8th page of this thread that will take care of it for you. There is definitely something to running multiple width matrices. TwisterUK had some wins playing that way.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 01, 04:28 AM 2011
HA HA :D !
Me too ;D
Squared paper rulessssss ;D :xd: :twisted: :thumbsup:
Free online graph paper (squares) to download:
link:://incompetech.com/graphpaper/ (link:://incompetech.com/graphpaper/)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 01, 07:03 AM 2011
Free online graph paper (squares) to download:
link:://incompetech.com/graphpaper/ (link:://incompetech.com/graphpaper/)
A.
Nice one A ;D Thank you :thumbsup:
here are spins from smart live casino having 4 quads...on matrix 3 does not sound good but on matrix 5 no problemo
Hi Eluka
If you want to play with 2 of the same size matrix you could try Atlantis matrix at same time so you get this
123 = SRR
123 RRR
332 SSL
321 RLL
Quote from: maestro on Apr 01, 07:19 AM 2011
Here are spins from smart live casino having 4 quads...on matrix 3 does not sound good but on matrix 5 no problemo
Ive not gone over the numbers in ure file as I dont have time
But why is 4 quads bad ?
For me thats 4 wins, unless, obviously, they turn into a 5 pointer ?
Maestro you must bet against 5 pointers not quads in your results i saw two 5 pointers after each other so with no trigger still a win on STEP 2 and one loss at the end but couldnt continue cause that was the end of the numbers ;)
Quote from: Colbster on Mar 31, 07:00 PM 2011
Guys,
Iamvaljeans software is AWESOME! It lets you set the size of your matrix, both width and length. It tracks dozens, streets and double streets. Great color coordination to let you know about betting opportunities. Keeps track of progressions, allowing for customization if you like the grand marti like I do, and wins and losses. This is a phenomenal tool! Amazing work, valjean (Also like the Les Mis reference)!!! ;D
Thank you ;D
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 01, 05:08 AM 2011
Hi windows installer will not allow download says the system adminisrator has set policies to prevent this installation any help please
Hi. I am afraid this has to do with your Windows setup... Are you running it in a single computer or within a network?
single computer thanks
Twister are you still betting against quads on a 5 line? Reason i ask is this.
Remember Matrix30 betting against TRIPS on a 3 line?
Well i'm having good results as a side bet using small chips on a 5 LINE ;D
I converted Maestros smart live 191spins into 5 wide
Without trigger + 33 Highiest step LL
With Trigger + 7 Highiest L ;D
Betting against trips after trigger
Ok then i see because i was testing it with mr.jamvalgean software and bet say when quad apears so next triplle does not become quad..but after your explanation everything is goooood..thank you
@ iamvaljean
Lovin the little app! Works like a charm!
5x, no trigger, total of 51 spins + 1 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Piggspeak Casino RNG
Regards,
Mauricio
PS - The reallllll test now....to automate this little app :P
Quote from: maestro on Apr 01, 08:38 AM 2011
Ok then I see because I was testing it with mr.jamvalgean software and bet say when quad apears so next triplle does not become quad..but after your explanation everything is goooood..thank you
In the settings menu, you can choose either to bet 3 verticals in a row not to become 4 in a row, or 4 verticals in row not to become 5 in a row.
In a 3 wide matrix, I think most of the people bet 4s not to become 5s.Am I right?
you are right we bet quads not to become 5 pointers an a 3x matrix ;)
Quote from: iamvaljean on Apr 01, 08:54 AM 2011
In the settings menu, you can choose either to bet 3 verticals in a row not to become 4 in a row, or 4 verticals in row not to become 5 in a row.
In a 3 wide matrix, I think most of the people bet 4s not to become 5s.Am I right?
Yes thats correct
I also run a 4x and 5x and bet against trips becomin quads while waitin for the 3x to spit out a quad ;D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 01, 08:38 AM 2011
Twister are you still betting against quads on a 5 line? Reason I ask is this.
Remember Matrix30 betting against TRIPS on a 3 line?
Well i'm having good results as a side bet using small chips on a 5 LINE ;D
I converted Maestros smart live 191spins into 5 wide
Without trigger + 33 Highiest step LL
With Trigger + 7 Highiest L ;D
Betting against trips after trigger
Yes I am mate :)
I also do that too ;D
Twisteruk if you raise your stakes enough you would earn enough just playing 1 matrix at the time ;) but ofcourse if 28 units an hour isnt enough you can play more matrixes ;)
Yup, you are right. But I was running it as 5x, betting on a 3 not to become a 4, just for the hell of it.
:thumbsup:
Regards,
Mauricio
JL, mate you were right about RNG lol :xd:
Just totally owned an RNG session on PaddyPower :thumbsup:
I was playin 3x 4x and 5x wide
Bettin against trips quads and 5 pointers and because I was "switchin" btwn each Matrix as a bet came up it just didnt know what to send me :D :D :D :o :o :o
Okkkk to be fair its the fist RNG session, but I know RNG and this just crazy how it cudnt cope :xd:
All bets won 8)
All sessions won on 1st or 2nd step :twisted: :xd: :twisted: :xd:
Quote from: Post on Apr 01, 09:04 AM 2011
Twisteruk if you raise your stakes enough you would earn enough just playing 1 matrix at the time ;) but ofcourse if 28 units an hour isnt enough you can play more matrixes ;)
Post, I use 3 seperate banks for each Matrix
At the moment Im enjoyin playin 3x 4x and 5x at the same time ;D
I'm putting my neck out here, but if RNG catches on with this system, IT'S RIGGED!!!
Even though I know some are already... but learning it...HECTIC!
how far are you up on the 3x matrix and what is the max 5 pointers in a row that you saw ?
Quote from: Post on Apr 01, 09:11 AM 2011
How far are you up on the 3x matrix and what is the max 5 pointers in a row that you saw ?
Ive almost doubled my 80 Unit bank
Ive only seen one 5 pointer so far
All bets won on 1st or 2nd step :thumbsup:
I'm just waiting for my Multi Euro Wheel to download, want to give it a bash on there.
Multi wheels, multi matrixes MUAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 01, 09:17 AM 2011
I'm just waiting for my Multi Euro Wheel to download, want to give it a bash on there.
Multi wheels, multi matrixes MUAHAHAHAAHAH!!!
HA HA HA :D :D :D
Let us know how you get on mate :)
Paddy power RNG won't let me have free spins and as i only use 10p chips if i bet red/black together i lose to 0's :'(
Been testing this with iamvaljean's software.
I'm using live results from weisbaden, I have 5 years worth of spins recorded.
Bad news!! I've just hit 5 quintets in a row!
Admittedly the first one was a loss due to the zero, but still in real play this would be a loss.
I am testing a 3 wide grid with no trigger.
The result file in question is attached for you all to have a look at.
Quote from: redhot on Apr 01, 10:08 AM 2011
Been testing this with iamvaljean's software.
I'm using live results from weisbaden, I have 5 years worth of spins recorded.
Bad news!! I've just hit 5 quintets in a row!
Admittedly the first one was a loss due to the zero, but still in real play this would be a loss.
I am testing a 3 wide grid with no trigger.
The result file in question is attached for you all to have a look at.
If you use it with the 5x wide? Those shouldn't be there???
Quote from: redhot on Apr 01, 10:08 AM 2011
Been testing this with iamvaljean's software.
I'm using live results from weisbaden, I have 5 years worth of spins recorded.
Bad news!! I've just hit 5 quintets in a row!
Admittedly the first one was a loss due to the zero, but still in real play this would be a loss.
I am testing a 3 wide grid with no trigger.
The result file in question is attached for you all to have a look at.
I will say it again. Its wrong to test a system with spins like that. The only way to test a system is to play live time and sessions.
Testing with a bunch of spins is not right and the results will be wrong. No one play consistent all those spins. When we play a session and dont play for 200 spins and play another session the result will not be the same as 5000 spins togheter :)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 01, 10:25 AM 2011
I will say it again. Its wrong to test a system with spins like that. The only way to test a system is to play live time and sessions.
Testing with a bunch of spins is not right and the results will be wrong. No one play consistent all those spins. When we play a session and don't play for 200 spins and play another session the result will not be the same as 5000 spins togheter :)
Yes I agree with you, however if I had sat down at the roulette table just as these spins were about to start, I would have hit 5 losses in a row. I'm just saying it can happen.
on a 5 wide grid, these spins are fine, it ends at +3
Quote from: redhot on Apr 01, 10:32 AM 2011
Yes I agree with you, however if I had sat down at the roulette table just as these spins were about to start, I would have hit 5 losses in a row. I'm just saying it can happen.
on a 5 wide grid, these spins are fine, it ends at +3
Yes. Thats way we wait for the trigger and then bet next 4. Then its allready happen :)
But the problem is 5 wide trigger on live wheel never happens :)
But RNG i get trigger and win 1 or 2 bet all the time:)
Live wheel us best to play 3 wide with trigger.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 01, 09:57 AM 2011
Paddy power RNG won't let me have free spins and as I only use 10p chips if I bet red/black together I lose to 0's :'(
Zig, if ure usin 10p chips then use the Live Slingshot as it spins every 20 seconds or so ;D
So redhot you saw what exactly ? five 5 pointers in the 3x matrix ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 01, 11:15 AM 2011
Zig, if your using 10p chips then use the Live Slingshot as it spins every 20 seconds or so ;D
I'm on it ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 01, 09:07 AM 2011
JL, mate you were right about RNG LoL :xd:
Just totally owned an RNG session on PaddyPower :thumbsup:
I was playin 3x 4x and 5x wide
Bettin against trips quads and 5 pointers and because I was "switchin" between each Matrix as a bet came up it just didn't know what to send me :D :D :D :o :o :o
Okkkk to be fair its the fist RNG session, but I know RNG and this just crazy how it cudnt cope :xd:
All bets won 8)
All sessions won on 1st or 2nd step :twisted: :xd: :twisted: :xd:
I know Twister been playing all day, on both RNG and LIVE. Rng never looked so beatable. And as you know Live is slower but a virtual certain win. Now have 100 games played RNG. And 50 live. Everyone knows my super enthusiastic demeanor, but this really is looking like ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALL.
And yes SQUARED PAPER ROCKS... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
What's the most 5 pointers in a row you saw 3 wide LIVE john legend?
oh my oh my i started to like matrix3 and matrix5 no fu...ck ups ..
Quote from: Post on Apr 01, 01:11 PM 2011
What's the most 5 pointers in a row you saw 3 wide LIVE john legend?
Hi Post, TWO is the most a live wheel has shown me in 50 games THREE WIDE. I ran a FIVE WIDE over the same time frame. And its just not playable, you rarely go beyond a QUAD. Twister must be a very patient man. Because I found it frustrating. THREE WIDE LIVE, FIVE WIDE RNG.
Played all day today and only had three 5 pointers all day :o :o :o
Still prefer Live Wheel ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 01, 01:26 PM 2011
Hi Post, TWO is the most a live wheel has shown me in 50 games THREE WIDE. I ran a FIVE WIDE over the same time frame. And its just not playable, you rarely go beyond a QUAD. Twister must be a very patient man. Because I found it frustrating. THREE WIDE LIVE, FIVE WIDE RNG.
Maybe 4-wide is the answer to play on both live and rng?
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 01, 01:07 PM 2011
I know Twister been playing all day, on both RNG and LIVE. Rng never looked so beatable. And as you know Live is slower but a virtual certain win. Now have 100 games played RNG. And 50 live. Everyone knows my super enthusiastic demeanor, but this really is looking like ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALL.
And yes SQUARED PAPER ROCKS... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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@ Johnlegend, are you playing snipper style or just pushing till you get to your stop profit?
i'm quite uneasy about rngs. I get the impression that they actually change the output number if you're going to win big beyond the casino cashout %....
vundarosa
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 01, 01:39 PM 2011
Played all day today and only had three 5 pointers all day :o :o :o
Still prefer Live Wheel ;D
With a live wheel the strikes going to be ridiculous. Its all about knowing what random struggles to do. I now know with absolute certainty this game isnt to be feared or avoided. As the mathematicians have led the easily led to believe all these years.
All this nonsense about overcoming house edge and a ball has no memory. I never bought it even before I knew for certain it was flawed. The ball is simply the medium of the game. House edge an overhyped manmade obstacle.
The only thing anyone wanting to best this game had to be concerned about was finding what random struggled to do. Which translates into a superb profit to loss ratio. Which translates into a very healthy profit margin. We were nearly there with the MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD. We have ARRIVED with MATRIX VERTICAL 5.
Anyone who adopts this method and applies it properly has a very bright future with this game. And a complete turnaround in mindset. Going from tentative sceptic to confident informed player in a short time frame.
All I have left to give you guys is my second and last concept that tames random PATTERN BREAKER. After that I'm done, and my time will be spent on here posting results and helping those who want to learn how to best this game day in and day out.
This is a truly great roulette forum. And I'm proud to be part if it.
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 01, 02:10 PM 2011
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@ Johnlegend, are you playing snipper style or just pushing till you get to your stop profit?
i'm quite uneasy about rngs. I get the impression that they actually change the output number if you're going to win big beyond the casino cashout %....
vundarosa
Vundarosa, nobody was more weary and sceptical about RNGS than myself. Ive seen them do things that TRUE RANDOM is extremely unlikely to do. like hit *12 STREETS IN 12 SPINS* Yes ive seen that on LADBROKES RNG. You could grow old and die before you see that on a live wheel.
SO, anytime I think I have this game at my mercy, WHERE DO YOU THINK IM HEADING FIRST? The very same rng that showed me 12 streets in 12 spins. CANNOT break MATRIX VERTICAL 5.
Its not being cheated either. I LOG ON, and give it ample time to take my progression. And it CANT. It will eventually happen. But every method I put my heart and soul into has one thing in common. A superb PROFIT TO LOSS RATIO.
And thats all you ever need from a method.
brilliantposts john i have one small query when you get a win do you stop or try for another hit
ok, 227 spins and +19 units. Been taken to 4th step (no trigger) once, so i guess i'll start playing with trigger. I play with doz & col and if one is winning 1st step, the other is bound to go 2nd step. I've actually been able to dodge some losses when observing both.
vundarosa
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 01, 02:45 PM 2011
Brilliantposts john I have one small query when you get a win do you stop or try for another hit
Hi Joiner29 thankyou for your kind words. Normally on an RNG I would snipe bet ONE WIN RINSE, start again 15-20 mins later. With MV 5 I purposely exposed it to the RNG. And aimed for five wins a session. And after twenty sessions. MATRIX 5 hasnt been challenged.
you should be knighted for your wonderful work
Just had 6 Zero's in 19 spins lol :o
And today has been a fine day !
Im now +80 Units so Ive doubled one bankk ;D
I did take a trip down RNG lane but went back to Live :xd: :twisted:
lol my usage today was 1.2GB :D :D :D (fair usage lol) :twisted:
Do we play 3 wide on live wheel? Trigger or not?
And 5 wide on RNG? Trigger or not ?
I play 3wide live with trigger and 5 wide rng with trigger.
Jon :)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 01, 04:06 PM 2011
Do we play 3 wide on live wheel? Trigger or not?
And 5 wide on RNG? Trigger or not ?
I play 3wide live with trigger and 5 wide rng with trigger.
Jon :)
I dont play with a Trigger Live 3x 4x 5x
I wud play with a Trigger on RNG
I just played season on rng BV no zero, 5x wide no trigger, got 4. step of progression, won.
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 01, 03:44 PM 2011
You should be knighted for your wonderful work
Oh my gosh, arise sir John Legend lol, thats overdoing it Joiner29.
I Just want more people to realize this games far from a no go area for longterm betting success. Ultimately I would like to see a revision in maths theory about this game.
Its FLAWED FULL STOP! Too many precious maths devotees out there, scared to see what theyve been believing for years taken apart.
PATTERN BREAKER, will introduce RANDOMS other nemesis. And really make it clear the days when this game was thought of as a mugs game. Are OVER!
Hey JohnLegend, still need some clarity on the trigger. When we get a vertical triple or quad or five vertical that's when we bet?
Quote from: marivo on Apr 01, 04:30 PM 2011
I just played season on rng BV no zero, 5x wide no trigger, got 4. step of progression, won.
Played against 5 pointers of course.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 01, 04:32 PM 2011
I Just want more people to realize this games far from a no go area for longterm betting success. Ultimately I would like to see a revision in maths theory about this game.
Its FLAWED FULL STOP! Too many precious maths devotees out there, scared to see what theyve been believing for years taken apart.
You are so right about the flawed mathematical advantages. The knee-jerk reaction "2.7%" people kill me. The only time they are correct is when you place a bet on the felt and hit auto-spin for the next 1000 spins. They fail to recognize that playing roulette should have a dynamic approach which does not fall prey to the 1 zero you expect every 37 spins.
I think that math guys use that as a crutch to explain why they cannot beat roulette. If nobody can run a 4-minute mile, you don't feel bad that you can't. But when guys like John Legend punch a hole in the process, they hide behind old theories based on superstition and prejudice because they didn't come up with the idea.
Twister,
Is that 6 zero's on a single zero wheel?
Quote from: iamvaljean on Apr 01, 08:54 AM 2011
In the settings menu, you can choose either to bet 3 verticals in a row not to become 4 in a row, or 4 verticals in row not to become 5 in a row.
In a 3 wide matrix, I think most of the people bet 4s not to become 5s.Am I right?
Can you tell me if it is possible to save spins which I have typed inn when I was tracking?
u
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 01, 04:35 PM 2011
Hey JohnLegend, still need some clarity on the trigger. When we get a vertical triple or quad or five vertical that's when we bet?
Hi Proof, the trigger is A FIVE POINTER.
Recommended on RNGs with a FIVE WIDE GRID. Not as essential LIVE with a THREE WIDE GRID.
Quote from: marivo on Apr 01, 05:00 PM 2011
Can you tell me if it is possible to save spins which I have typed inn when I was tracking?
Not at this moment, sorry. This is coming in the next version. This version will also come with the possibility to keep track of three 'matrixes' at a time as twister does...
Quote from: Colbster on Apr 01, 04:59 PM 2011
You are so right about the flawed mathematical advantages. The knee-jerk reaction "2.7%" people kill me. The only time they are correct is when you place a bet on the felt and hit auto-spin for the next 1000 spins. They fail to recognize that playing roulette should have a dynamic approach which does not fall prey to the 1 zero you expect every 37 spins.
I think that math guys use that as a crutch to explain why they cannot beat roulette. If nobody can run a 4-minute mile, you don't feel bad that you can't. But when guys like John Legend punch a hole in the process, they hide behind old theories based on superstition and prejudice because they didn't come up with the idea.
Perfectly said Colbster. Its good to see other forum members realize this too.
Here's an illustration. JohnLegend tell me if this is right
---RNG Matrix----
1 2 1 1 3
1 1 2 3 1
1 3 2 1 2
1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 3
*and we bet against it becoming a six vertical, correct?
---Live Wheel---
1 3 2
1 1 3
1 2 2
1 1 3
1 2 2
*and we bet against it becoming a six vertical here, right?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 01, 05:30 PM 2011
Here's an illustration. JohnLegend tell me if this is right
---RNG Matrix----
1 2 1 1 3
1 1 2 3 1
1 3 2 1 2
1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 3
*and we bet against it becoming a six vertical, correct?
---Live Wheel---
1 3 2
1 1 3
1 2 2
1 1 3
1 2 2
*and we bet against it becoming a six vertical here, right?
Hi. It right but we bet on 4 not to become 5 vertical and we wait for a 5 pointer trigger :)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 01, 05:30 PM 2011
Here's an illustration. JohnLegend tell me if this is right
---RNG Matrix----
1 2 1 1 3
1 1 2 3 1
1 3 2 1 2
1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 3
*and we bet against it becoming a six vertical, correct?
---Live Wheel---
1 3 2
1 1 3
1 2 2
1 1 3
1 2 2
*and we bet against it becoming a six vertical here, right?
No, this is how its done.
12331
13331
12221
31211
31231-TRIGGER DOZ 1, COL 5
22203
13112-WIN DOZ 2, COL 3
Did not become a FIVE POINTER..
I always thought there must be a way I just didn't have it in me. fair to you people.. this kills the zones an alike. A method that gives you enough betting opportunities and don't stretch your progression to the brink of bankruptcy .. it is like a blackhole in a relatively frequent event !! I prey to the heavens it stands the test of time
Thanks to you john legend all can go to the casino with just a bankroll of 26 and play 3 wide with no trigger (just bet quads) and go home with profit I thank you verry mutch for this methode. ;)
and I am verry curious about the pattern breaker :)
Just hit the 60 + mark (live slingshot)
I'm playing 2 casinos at same time, one on desktop other on my little lappy ;D
Currently playing
3 wide 5 pointers No trigger
5 wide mixture of betting against trips/quads
Will double my base bet when i hit the 80 mark :wink:
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Does everyone play the 3 wide matrix live 5 pointer quad
with no trigger and progression 1,3,9,27 and the 5 wide
matrix rng 5 pointer with trigger and only 1,3,9 or 1,3,9,27
Quote from: ROB22 on Apr 01, 09:56 PM 2011
Does everyone play the 3 wide matrix live 5 pointer quad
with no trigger and progression 1,3,9,27 and the 5 wide
matrix rng 5 pointer with trigger and only 1,3,9 or 1,3,9,27
That is how I am playing Rob22
TRUE RANDOM, is struggling to produce even two of theses FIVE POINTERS. In close proximity most of the time. Weve had to give it a little help to give us what we need. FIVE WIDE LIVE. Its unplayable. Random just can't do it. THREE WIDE, it becomes realistically functional.
With a betting frequency that is worth the wait. Others are experimenting with various grid widths and trigger, no trigger. The strikerate itself is a phenomenon. So it lends itself to very openminded experimentation. We have basically identified one of randoms weaknesses.
Its now there to be exploited at will.
What is a five pointer quad? This I don't get.
A quad means four in a row. But what does 5 pointer mean?
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 01, 11:21 PM 2011
What is a five pointer quad? This I don't get.
A quad means four in a row. But what does 5 pointer mean?
This is want a 5 pointer looks like
123
132
123
132
123 -- 1st col dozen 1
so we bet that it will not happen
so when you get 4 of the same dozen like this
123
132
123
132
213 -- here you would win a bet on dozen 2,3 col one if you would lose wait for next 4 of the same dozen and bet again
progression 1,3,9,27
Got it, thanks
How does this hold up in the program? Doesn't work on my computer
Quote from: dennisbelle on Apr 01, 05:00 PM 2011
Twister,
Is that 6 zero's on a single zero wheel?
lol yes it was :o !
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 01, 05:30 PM 2011
Here's an illustration. JohnLegend tell me if this is right
---RNG Matrix----
1 2 1 1 3
1 1 2 3 1
1 3 2 1 2
1 1 1 2 1
1 2 3 1 3
*and we bet against it becoming a six vertical, correct?
---Live Wheel---
1 3 2
1 1 3
1 2 2
1 1 3
1 2 2
*and we bet against it becoming a six vertical here, right?
Proof, you ok with the system now ?
Let us know as its very important you dont play it that way ^^^
Quote from: marivo on Apr 01, 04:30 PM 2011
I just played season on rng BV no zero, 5x wide no trigger, got 4. step of progression, won.
I would strongly suggest a Trigger for RNG mate :)
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 01, 07:44 PM 2011
Just hit the 60 + mark (live slingshot)
I'm playing 2 casinos at same time, one on desktop other on my little lappy ;D
Currently playing
3 wide 5 pointers No trigger
5 wide mixture of betting against trips/quads
Will double my base bet when I hit the 80 mark :wink:
Thats awesome Zig ! Nice one :xd: :twisted: !
Quote from: marivo on Apr 01, 04:30 PM 2011
I just played season on rng BV no zero, 5x wide no trigger, got 4. step of progression, won.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 03:54 AM 2011
I would strongly suggest a Trigger for RNG mate :)
Trigger and 4 step progression?
Quote from: marivo on Apr 02, 04:34 AM 2011
Trigger and 4 step progression?
Yes, why not. If you have the 4th level then you shud play it if you need too :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 04:44 AM 2011
Yes, why not. If you have the 4th level then you should play it if you need too :thumbsup:
Sure, so 4. level could be expected in this case (when playing with trigger)?
Quote from: marivo on Apr 02, 04:49 AM 2011
Sure, so 4. level could be expected in this case (when playing with trigger)?
Im not sure I understand you ?
If you play with a Trigger and 4 levels then you need five 5 pointers to break you. Thats what we are playin against happenin :thumbsup:
Quote from: marivo on Apr 01, 05:00 PM 2011
Can you tell me if it is possible to save spins which I have typed inn when I was tracking?
New version of the software just uploaded. Now you can save data of live sessions.
Please report any bugs you may find.
link:://:.megaupload.com/?d=S618BR0F (link:://:.megaupload.com/?d=S618BR0F)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 05:12 AM 2011
I'm not sure I understand you ?
If you play with a Trigger and 4 levels then you need five 5 pointers to break you. that's what we are playin against happenin :thumbsup:
Yes, we dont understand each other: If I play 5x wide grid against 5 pointer with trigger, would it be enough if my bankroll would be 242 units (first bet 1-1)?
Quote from: iamvaljean on Apr 02, 05:25 AM 2011
New version of the software just uploaded. Now you can save data of live sessions.
Please report any bugs you may find.
link:://:.megaupload.com/?d=S618BR0F (link:://:.megaupload.com/?d=S618BR0F)
Hey, it says its not available!
Oh ok , it is now :), thanks
Quote from: marivo on Apr 02, 05:27 AM 2011
Yes, we don't understand each other: If I play 5x wide grid against 5 pointer with trigger, would it be enough if my bankroll would be 242 units (first bet 1-1)?
5x on RNG ?
If Live 3x
If RNG play with Trigger :thumbsup:
I just played rng casino 5 wide matrix and got 4 5 pointers in 150 spins
will only play live from now on.Only went to 3rd step after trigger
Just had my first double 5 pointer
Hit on the 3rd level :xd:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 07:28 AM 2011
Just had my first double 5 pointer
Hit on the 3rd level :xd:
Live or RNG ? :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 05:39 AM 2011
5x on RNG ?
If Live 3x
If RNG play with Trigger :thumbsup:
Ok, with RNG we play against 5 5-pointers in a row.
Quote from: marivo on Apr 02, 07:55 AM 2011
Ok, with RNG we play against 5 5-pointers in a row.
Yep :thumbsup:
are lots of people playing this ?
1 1 3 3 9 9 = 26 points
If you hit the forth step 27,27 would you play it twisty or would you be tempted to just conserve profits last step does make a big hole for recovery .. even though i'm confident it wouldn't often go past that.
Thing is if you've made say 50 points it wouldn't be too bad to lose 26 cause you know you make them back quick
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 02, 08:06 AM 2011
Are lots of people playing this ?
1 1 3 3 9 9 = 26 points
If you hit the forth step 27,27 would you play it twisty or would you be tempted to just conserve profits last step does make a big hole for recovery .. even though i'm confident it wouldn't often go past that.
Thing is if you've made say 50 points it wouldn't be too bad to lose 26 cause you know you make them back quick
Yes I would play 27-27 ;D
Stick to the plan
Can i ask how many points a day you aim for twist? and how many you up so far?
From testing this myself only just recent i'm finding it hard to believe that the wheel will ever conform enough to beat it.. true master plan
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 02, 08:38 AM 2011
Stick to the plan
Can I ask how many points a day you aim for twist? and how many you up so far?
From testing this myself only just recent i'm finding it hard to believe that the wheel will ever conform enough to beat it.. true master plan
STICK TO THE PLAN, Exactly. I recommend avoiding RNGs in dodgy offshore casinos. The established bookmakers like LADBROKES AND WILLIAM HILL, are the only ones Ill touch. Here are my results for 120 games played RNG and 60 games played LIVE.
RNG-LADBROKES PLAYED FIVE WIDE
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 120
TOTAL GAMES WON 120
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 240 UNITS PLUS
PLAYED WITH TRIGGER
STEP 1 WINS 89
STEP 2 WINS 27
STEP 3 WINS 4
BETFREDS LIVE WHEEL THREE WIDE
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 60
TOTAL GAMES WON 60
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 240 UNITS PLUS
PLAYED WITHOUT TRIGGER
STEP 1 WINS 43
STEP 2 WINS 14
STEP 3 WINS 3
True random struggles to form more than 2 of these FIVE POINTERS AT A TIME. I play for five wins per session both live and RNG then end the session. Next update double these numbers.
Convincing results
Its not even like the zones an others where you expect a loss here an there.. with this you just don't even worry abot it..
Do you think something like this could ever change the game??
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 02, 09:05 AM 2011
STICK TO THE PLAN, Exactly. I recommend avoiding RNGs in dodgy offshore casinos. The established bookmakers like LADBROKES AND WILLIAM HILL, are the only ones Ill touch. Here are my results for 120 games played RNG and 60 games played LIVE.
RNG-LADBROKES PLAYED FIVE WIDE
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 120
TOTAL GAMES WON 120
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 240 UNITS PLUS
PLAYED WITH TRIGGER
STEP 1 WINS 89
STEP 2 WINS 27
STEP 3 WINS 4
BETFREDS LIVE WHEEL THREE WIDE
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 60
TOTAL GAMES WON 60
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 240 UNITS PLUS
PLAYED WITHOUT TRIGGER
STEP 1 WINS 43
STEP 2 WINS 14
STEP 3 WINS 3
True random struggles to form more than 2 of these FIVE POINTERS AT A TIME. I play for five wins per session both live and RNG then end the session. Next update double these numbers.
Excellent results!
Its the profit to loss ratio which defines if a system is any good, as long as you are continually winning more than you losing then you have the game beaten.
It will be interesting to see what the long term profit to loss ratio is for this system.If you can make anything over 200 points profit as an average win for this system before a loss then the casinos' are in big big trouble. ;D
However if you are averaging anything over 80-1 if your playing the 1,3,9,27 progression,then you have the game beat just not at such a fast rate :)
How long do these 5 wins per session take on average.that's the only problem I see with this method.I know a lot of people wouldn't have the patience to play for hours and hours me included for just 5 points profit at the the end of the session. :yawn:
Maybe its best to play this method with some other method at the same time to stop people getting bored whilst waiting to play.
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 02, 10:28 AM 2011
Excellent results!
How long do these 5 wins per session take on average.that's the only problem I see with this method.I know a lot of people wouldn't have the patience to play for hours and hours me included for just 5 points profit at the the end of the session. :yawn:
Maybe its best to play this method with some other method at the same time to stop people getting bored whilst waiting to play.
My thoughts exactly Moles. If you have a favorite system that you do pretty good with that doesn't take a lot of tracking so you can track for this one and when you have a betting opportunity you pull out the big unit bets, this could get pretty dangerous for the casinos.
Also, if this never loses, and I think it must every now and then, we could go to this very aggressive type bet progression, 2-2; 8-8; 28-28; 100-100. You would win 2 or 4 or 8 or 26 units depending on which stage you win at. Of course you can adjust these to suit yourself. It'll help build your bankroll a little quicker. A loss would set you back proportionately, but you may never have a loss. Might be worth considering.
George
Just doubled my bank ;D
Thanks John and also to Twister for the 5 wide quad idea that keeps it rolling along nicely :thumbsup:
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 02, 10:28 AM 2011
Excellent results!
Its the profit to loss ratio which defines if a system is any good, as long as you are continually winning more than you losing then you have the game beaten.
It will be interesting to see what the long term profit to loss ratio is for this system.If you can make anything over 200 points profit as an average win for this system before a loss then the casinos' are in big big trouble. ;D
However if you are averaging anything over 80-1 if your playing the 1,3,9,27 progression,then you have the game beat just not at such a fast rate :)
How long do these 5 wins per session take on average.that's the only problem I see with this method.I know a lot of people wouldn't have Pthe patience to play for hours and hours me included for just 5 points profit at the the end of the session. :yawn:
Maybe its best to play this method with some other method at the same time to stop people getting bored whilst waiting to play.
Moles40, I never just play one method at a time I play at least two. PATTERN BREAKER will compliment this one perfectly.
Trust me the strikerate for MATRIX 5 will be worth all the waiting. The idea is to increase the value each win brings you. I make 4 units ,per win LIVE. 2 units per win RNG. If you reach a level where you are making 10, 15 units a win it really becomes worthwhile.
IF YOU PLAYED THIS METHOD ONCE A DAY FOR THE NEXT 10 TEN YEARS AND NEVER LOST, WOULD YOU BE COMPLAINING? that's what you have to take onboard here. You are waiting for as close to a certain win as you may ever see.
So I will typically play MV 5, PATTERN BREAKER AND TEMPLATE 7 at the same time. You utilize your time efficiently, grow you BR. And go forward.
I was a newbie once, trial and error were my day to day experiences. To beat this game longterm you have to THINK LONGTERM. Not just today or tomorrow. I fully understand the frustration of waiting for small wins.
BUT THIS IS SHORT TERM, if you play even just two games a day. Every 40 days you will be doubling what you win. Start thinking in those terms. Because POST has made it clear how quickly you could be making serious money with this method. Show that patience and discipline. There will be no sweeter feeling than when you are winning more than your day job pays. But, its one step at a time.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 02, 11:47 AM 2011
Moles40, I never just play one method at a time I play at least two. PATTERN BREAKER will compliment this one perfectly.
Trust me the strikerate for MATRIX 5 will be worth all the waiting. The idea is to increase the value each win brings you. I make 4 units ,per win LIVE. 2 units per win RNG. If you reach a level where you are making 10, 15 units a win it really becomes worthwhile.
IF YOU PLAYED THIS METHOD ONCE A DAY FOR THE NEXT 10 TEN YEARS AND NEVER LOST, WOULD YOU BE COMPLAINING? that's what you have to take onboard here. You are waiting for as close to a certain win as you may ever see.
So I will typically play MV 5, PATTERN BREAKER AND TEMPLATE 7 at the same time. You utilize your time efficiently, grow you BR. And go forward.
I was a newbie once, trial and error were my day to day experiences. To beat this game longterm you have to THINK LONGTERM. Not just today or tomorrow. I fully understand the frustration of waiting for small wins.
BUT THIS IS SHORT TERM, if you play even just two games a day. Every 40 days you will be doubling what you win. Start thinking in those terms. Because POST has made it clear how quickly you could be making serious money with this method. Show that patience and discipline. There will be no sweeter feeling that when you are winning more than your day job pays. But, its one step at a time.
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 02, 08:38 AM 2011
Stick to the plan
Can I ask how many points a day you aim for twist? and how many you up so far?
From testing this myself only just recent i'm finding it hard to believe that the wheel will ever conform enough to beat it.. true master plan
I dont mate. I just win what the System allows me to win :xd:
Im now up just over 100 Units :thumbsup:
So ive doubled my Bank and have now doubled my Stakes :twisted:
I shud add I play 3x 4x 5x at the same time
3x is Quads to 5 pointers
4 and 5x is trips to Quads
I dont play with a Trigger as I play Live :twisted: :xd:
I'm assuming everyone is just playing 1st, 2nd & 3rd Dozens. Has anyone tried columns?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 02, 12:39 PM 2011
I'm assuming everyone is just playing 1st, 2nd & 3rd Dozens. Has anyone tried columns?
I think someone posted they were
Prob needs testin :twisted:
i think cols defo act different to the dozens havent tried it yet
when playing 3 wide live play what has the most people have come across?
Quote from: StackBundles on Apr 02, 12:45 PM 2011
I think cols definitely act different to the dozens haven't tried it yet
when playing 3 wide live play what has the most people have come across?
The most ive hit is two 5 pointers ;D :xd:
I always keep my eye on the columns with Ophis tracker. Columns is a different animal for sure and was busting Matrix30 for fun. Stay clear of coloums :ooh:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 02, 12:50 PM 2011
I always keep my eye on the columns with Ophis tracker. Columns is a different animal for sure and was busting Matrix30 for fun. Stay clear of coloums :ooh:
Zig have you tried columns on a 3x bettin Quads not to become 5 pointers ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 12:49 PM 2011
The most I've hit is two 5 pointers ;D :xd:
SNAP! Random doesn't like forming too many of these I'm now 65/0 LIVE without ever needing a 4th step with NO TRIGGER
Columns may be a 2/1 chance on paper but there is a less stable performance from them overall in most methods I've tested. That said they may present the anwser for FASTER TURNOVER LIVE. Played with dozens THREE WIDE as Twister suggests sounds like a plan.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 02, 01:02 PM 2011
SNAP! Random doesn't like forming too many of these I'm now 65/0 LIVE without ever needing a 4th step with NO TRIGGER
And that was just ONCE in over 80 Sessions !!
All other Sessions its been just the One 5 Pointer :o :o :o :xd: :twisted:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 12:55 PM 2011
Zig have you tried columns on a 3x bettin Quads not to become 5 pointers ?
No Twister, but i do keep my eye on it with the tracker during every session. I tell you on slingshot it wont take you long to get a trigger :lol: So your playing both doz/cols?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 02, 01:02 PM 2011
SNAP! Random doesn't like forming too many of these I'm now 65/0 LIVE without ever needing a 4th step with NO TRIGGER
Slingshot can only produce step 2 ONCE for me ;D Soon i will be transfering to live dealer :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 02, 01:02 PM 2011
SNAP! Random doesn't like forming too many of these I'm now 65/0 LIVE without ever needing a 4th step with NO TRIGGER
Columns may be a 2/1 chance on paper but there is a less stable performance from them overall in most methods I've tested. That said they may present the anwser for FASTER TURNOVER LIVE. Played with dozens THREE WIDE as Twister suggests sounds like a plan.
With the same trigger, wait for a 5 pointer first then bet after a quad forms (for columns)?
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 02, 01:08 PM 2011
No Twister, but I do keep my eye on it with the tracker during every session. I tell you on slingshot it wont take you long to get a trigger :LoL: So your playing both doz/cols?
No Zig only Dozens ;D
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 02, 01:11 PM 2011
With the same trigger, wait for a 5 pointer first then bet after a quad forms (for columns)?
Yes, although LIVE ive been playing without a trigger for dozens ;D to stay awake lol. RNG a trigger is ESSENTIAL.
JL, any opinions on Columns played the same way as dozens ?
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as you can see I've hit a 6 in a row do you think its a good idea betting after 3 in a row the results are from an airball
Quote from: StackBundles on Apr 02, 02:06 PM 2011
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as you can see I've hit a 6 in a row do you think its a good idea betting after 3 in a row the results are from an airball
Stack, ure playin it wrong mate
We play against Quads becomin 5 pointers
IF a Quad does become a 5 pointer we DONT continue to bet that column but wait for a new Quad to form
Hope that helps mate :)
i thought i was but when you jump in half thru it does get confussing i dunno why when all the information is there lol
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so where the x is we are betting that it wont become 3 again? if it does we scrape it and wait for another quad
Quote from: StackBundles on Apr 02, 02:15 PM 2011
I thought I was but when you jump in half thru it does get confussing I dunno why when all the information is there LoL
so your sayin is
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so where the x is we are betting that it wont become 3 again? if it does we scrape it and wait for another quad
Yes thats right mate. If it becomes a 5 Pointer then leave it alone until a new Quad forms
Ive seen columns of 11 in a row :o
So we leave it alone if it hits 5 :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 02:19 PM 2011
Yes that's right mate. If it becomes a 5 Pointer then leave it alone until a new Quad forms
I've seen columns of 11 in a row :o
So we leave it alone if it hits 5 :thumbsup:
Yes trying to outlive a single vertical column is dangerous. I saw a 9 and 10 today. mind you they were on an RNG. 8 is the most I've seen live. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;
Ok so can someone explain the
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and what we are lookin for on each one of these?
I have lots of saved live spins, and I can't run any streams through the program without ending up in massive negative balance.
Is there something wrong with the tracker program or this indicative of what will happen in the long run?
dont know if anyone plays on betfair exchange games but they have a new game out called bulls eye roulette its not the same as roulette but its the same set up they have 4 rounds to determin which one is the winning number maybe this would work perfect on this and have more chances to bet
also we have a chance to trade out in one of the rounds which could save us money or make us money i dunno if any of you do trading??
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 02, 02:35 PM 2011
I have lots of saved live spins, and I can't run any streams through the program without ending up in massive negative balance.
Is there something wrong with the tracker program or this indicative of what will happen in the long run?
I think the programs on the wrong channel. The only way to test a method properly is squared paper pen and a live wheel. Random simply can't deal with FIVE POINTERS. Your strikerate should be off the chart in positive numbers.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 01:40 PM 2011
JL, any opinions on Columns played the same way as dozens ?
Im for it Twister it will speed turnover, although id risk less until we see positive results.
Quote from: StackBundles on Apr 02, 02:32 PM 2011
Ok so can someone explain the
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and what we are looking for on each one of these?
3 wide is 5 pointer LIVE
5 wide is 5 pointers RNG
4 wide some play trips against quads to pass the time while waitin (i do this) ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 02, 02:52 PM 2011
I'm for it Twister it will speed turnover, although id risk less until we see positive results.
I will do some testin on Sunday if I get time :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 02, 03:00 PM 2011
I will do some testin on Sunday if I get time :thumbsup:
Im playing a session later will start doing them together. ;D :o ;D :o ;D :o
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john during your play does it happen often just when you bet on quad not to become 5 pointer zero hits and if so how often...thanks
Quote from: maestro on Apr 02, 03:17 PM 2011
John during your play does it happen often just when you bet on quad not to become 5 pointer zero hits and if so how often...thanks
Ive only had one in live play Maestro that pushed a two step to a three step. It doesnt concern me at all. It would be more of a concern for MV QUAD because random can create these alot easier.
here are some spins BV no zero real money play,has 4 five pointers, i know spin data is 2000 over but still be carefull...tested on matrix 5 with trigger..
Quote from: maestro on Apr 02, 03:49 PM 2011
Here are some spins BV no zero real money play,has 4 five pointers, I know spin data is 2000 over but still be carefull...tested on matrix 5 with trigger..
Yes, if Matrix.exe shows correct results it would lose 1 progression even with 5 step progression and trigger.
Here are spins (5518) I collected today just spinning the rng wheel in real mode play at William Hill CASINO CLUB. As far as I checked with Matrix.exe it has win all progressions with 4 steps and trigger (5x wide matrix, matrix reset after every win). +25 units.
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stack its like the zones.. you wait for the betting opportunity 4 times not to become a 5th place one bet on the forth that it dont hit on the 5th.
if fail wait again for a four to form again then bet on the 5th
an so on 4 progession 1,1 3,3 9,9 27,27 double dozen progression
your betting that not to form 4 times in a row impressively hard for it to produce that
Quote from: StackBundles on Apr 02, 03:15 PM 2011
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Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 02, 02:52 PM 2011
I'm for it Twister it will speed turnover, although id risk less until we see positive results.
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Yes i play doz & col, no problem. It actually shows that when doz is winning first bet you have a loss in col and when you have cols going beyond first bet, doz is winning first bet.
The two complement each other wonderfully.
vundarosa
Quote from: marivo on Apr 02, 05:00 PM 2011
Yes, if Matrix.exe shows correct results it would lose 1 progression even with 5 step progression and trigger.
Here are spins (5518) I collected today just spinning the rng wheel in real mode play at William Hill CASINO CLUB. As far as I checked with Matrix.exe it has win all progressions with 4 steps and trigger (5x wide matrix, matrix reset after every win). +25 units.
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ahhh, the matrix.exe, THE MAGIC Matrix.exe!
@Marivo, do this then Set the Matrix.exe:
*Analyse Doz
*Matrix Size--> 5
*Progression lost--> 4
*Formation to check--> vertical quads
*Play with trigger --> no
*Reset matrix -->only after a win
NOW, run your spins through and let me know if you EVER GO BEYOND 2nd STEP! ;D
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ok just went to 3rd step :-(, still a win thou
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 03, 01:40 AM 2011
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Yes I play doz & col, no problem. It actually shows that when doz is winning first bet you have a loss in col and when you have cols going beyond first bet, doz is winning first bet.
The two complement each other wonderfully.
vundarosa
Vundarosa, do you play this on a 3x Grid ? How many 5 pointers have you seen for Columns ?
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 03, 01:51 AM 2011
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ahhh, the matrix.exe, THE MAGIC Matrix.exe!
@Marivo, do this then Set the Matrix.exe:
*Analyse Doz
*Matrix Size--> 5
*Progression lost--> 4
*Formation to check--> vertical quads
*Play with trigger --> no
*Reset matrix -->only after a win
NOW, run your spins through and let me know if you EVER GO BEYOND 2nd STEP! ;D
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ok just went to 3rd step :-(, still a win thou
vundarosa
I did exactly as you describe only that I have used trigger! And got 1 loss on those spins from BV no Zero which maestro posted.
Quote from: marivo on Apr 03, 05:18 AM 2011
I did exactly as you describe only that I have used trigger! And got 1 loss on those spins from BV no Zero which maestro posted.
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@marivo,
i think the jury is still out, but last i remember the "no zero" table had more probabilities of losing than a zero table. I rembember John saying that its the zero that actually made this system work, or something along those lines.
BTW, i play on rng, 5 units profit, fast forward the game 100 spins and shut down the system for 30min-1hr. I have NEVER gonne over 2nd step yet, no trigger.
Been playing through your spins (from rng william casino) and playing continuously i got to 4th step already, no trigger. I don't know if you were making some bets or not, but rngs are infamous for producing spins to counter your bets, specially if played continously...
vundarosa
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 03, 03:27 AM 2011
Vundarosa, do you play this on a 3x Grid ? How many 5 pointers have you seen for Columns ?
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yes. 3x grid, 5x and *7x* ;), live. i've seen on the 3x grid a three 5 pointers on columns.
Betting against quads forming on a 5x grid, no trigger would have bust the progression on columns twice, one due to zero appearing, the other i do not recall if zero was involved or not, two different casinos live play.
so when it comes to columns i am extra careful. I play with it waiting for double trigger as there are still alot of betting chances that shorten my stay at the table.
on doz betting against quads, i'm yet to go over 3rd step, no trigger.
vundarosa
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yes. 3x grid, 5x and *7x* ;), live. i've seen on the 3x grid a three 5 pointers on columns.
Betting against quads forming on a 5x grid, no trigger would have bust the progression on columns twice, one due to zero appearing, the other I do not recall if zero was involved or not, two different casinos live play.
so when it comes to columns I am extra careful. I play with it waiting for double trigger as there are still a lot of betting chances that shorten my stay at the table.
on doz betting against quads, i'm yet to go over 3rd step, no trigger.
vundarosa
Thanx for the heads up, appreciate it :thumbsup:
Be careful if your playing coloums. You will get a trigger much quicker with columns but at what cost?
When i used to play matrix30 i have seen an 8 loss followed by a 7 in a row. I havent tested against 5 pointers but i always keep my eyes on it with the tracker and they tend produces much longer streaks of 1 columns much more regular.
If your going to play columns then play with smaller chips
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yes. 3x grid, 5x and *7x* ;), live. i've seen on the 3x grid a three 5 pointers on columns.
Betting against quads forming on a 5x grid, no trigger would have bust the progression on columns twice, one due to zero appearing, the other I do not recall if zero was involved or not, two different casinos live play.
so when it comes to columns I am extra careful. I play with it waiting for double trigger as there are still a lot of betting chances that shorten my stay at the table.
on doz betting against quads, i'm yet to go over 3rd step, no trigger.
vundarosa
Hi Vundarosa Twister and myself are about to start testing columns as a way to speed turnover. Thanks for your feedback. I already know COLUMNS are a bit more unpredictable than dozens. So I think even live a TRIGGER may be wise.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 06:29 AM 2011
Be careful if your playing coloums. You will get a trigger much quicker with columns but at what cost?
When I used to play matrix30 I have seen an 8 loss followed by a 7 in a row. I haven't tested against 5 pointers but I always keep my eyes on it with the tracker and they tend produces much longer streaks of 1 columns much more regular.
If your going to play columns then play with smaller chips
WISE WORDS, from Zig Zag. I will be taking his advice for sure.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 03, 06:53 AM 2011
WISE WORDS, from Zig Zag. I will be taking his advice for sure.
Yup, me too :thumbsup:
i had an idea if we play live why dont use 3 steps and no trigger because you could recover mutch faster to 26 units than 80 and the max 5 pointers live seen is 2 so you would be playing your 4th bank when you have 80 total ;)
Quote from: Post on Apr 03, 07:14 AM 2011
I had an idea if we play live why don't use 3 steps and no trigger because you could recover mutch faster to 26 units than 80 and the max 5 pointers live seen is 2 so you would be playing your 4th bank when you have 80 total ;)
Yes, I agree. And the most ive seen is two also :xd:
Quote from: Post on Apr 03, 07:14 AM 2011
I had an idea if we play live why don't use 3 steps and no trigger because you could recover mutch faster to 26 units than 80 and the max 5 pointers live seen is 2 so you would be playing your 4th bank when you have 80 total ;)
Results are looking positive so far to do that. Maybe double up after a 3 step loss?
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@marivo,
i think the jury is still out, but last I remember the "no zero" table had more probabilities of losing than a zero table. I rembember John saying that its the zero that actually made this system work, or something along those lines.
by the way, I play on rng, 5 units profit, fast forward the game 100 spins and shut down the system for 30min-1hr. I have NEVER gonne over 2nd step yet, no trigger.
Been playing through your spins (from rng william casino) and playing continuously I got to 4th step already, no trigger. I don't know if you were making some bets or not, but rngs are infamous for producing spins to counter your bets, specially if played continously...
vundarosa
I was just spinning it again today (William Hill CASINO CLUB ) in playing mode and here are the spins (6878 spins). It was French roulette rng. I tested again (this and previous 5518 spins from yesterday) with Matrix.exe with settings:
5x wide matrix and 3x wide matrix, dozens and columns
4 step progression
against 5 pointers (quints)
with trigger
resetting after each win
All progressions won!
Just a curiosity: I have an old spins from november last year when I was testing F_lat_ino's system on BV no zero rng table, fun play (about 430 spins). I couldnt beleave it but those spins DID lose with same settings of Matrix.exe as I show above on 5x wide matrix for dozens and as I said in only 430 spins. So as you said: be careful with BV no zero!
By the way, what rng are you playing?
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96 spins.
There were also 4 TRIPS in there which failed to become QUADS.
A.
well zig zag i say double up after 26 wins still havent seen it lose though ;)
Quote from: Post on Apr 03, 07:14 AM 2011
I had an idea if we play live why don't use 3 steps and no trigger because you could recover mutch faster to 26 units than 80 and the max 5 pointers live seen is 2 so you would be playing your 4th bank when you have 80 total ;)
I Think that makes sense Post you sacrifice some strikerate for a faster turnover and fatser overall growth of your BANKROLL. And with the option to play the dozens and columns things become alot more appealing.
John legend have you even ever seen THREE 5 pointers in a row ?
, i know i dont have ;D
Quote from: Post on Apr 03, 08:21 AM 2011
Well zig zag I say double up after 26 wins still haven't seen it lose though ;)
Using a 4th step i'm nearly onto my 3rd level now from 10p to 30p chip base bet and thats with a 4th step progression, but maybe i will use a 3 step and can play with highier base bet :thumbsup:
I think Atlantis movments LRS is great. You have to concentrate more to not make mistakes if your tired so maybe a tracker that converts the dozens into movements would be brill :smile:
Quote from: Post on Apr 03, 08:31 AM 2011
John legend have you even ever seen THREE 5 pointers in a row ?
, I know I don't have ;D
Yes Post I have, but not often I recorded three, in my first 60 games but two were caused by the Zero hitting on the first step of the progression.
I think the thing to consider is using a two level progression. 26--52
And building up as your bank grows.
:wink:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 08:40 AM 2011
Using a 4th step i'm nearly onto my 3rd level now from 10p to 30p chip base bet and that's with a 4th step progression, but maybe I will use a 3 step and can play with highier base bet :thumbsup:
Zig, have you ever used ure 4th step ?
The most Ive ever seen is two 5 pointers :o :o :twisted:
Okkkk played this last 4ish hours non stop
Only had two 5 pointers (again :xd:)
Just a question for everyone re Zero ?
IF you hit the 3rd or 4th level or 5th come to that dependin on how ure playin and it was ure LAST step before you bust, would you cover Zero ? So you know it was a Pure Five 5 pointer that did you ?
Assumin of course a Zero had not already said hi :xd:
I just wondered on pplz opinions ;D
twister i was playin with divisor plan for 2 dozens and covering zero but takes a lots of time to build up so i went to play,trips not becoming quads and quads not becoming 5 pointers now i think will start play colums as we get more betting oppotunities..see how it goes...lost 80 quid last night because was not listen to john and was thinking i am very good with numbers but spining beast had different opinion(is human nature i guess when i grow up i hope i will be like one of you ;D ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Quote from: maestro on Apr 03, 10:15 AM 2011
Twister I was playin with divisor plan for 2 dozens and covering zero but takes a lots of time to build up so I went to play,trips not becoming quads and quads not becoming 5 pointers now I think will start play columns as we get more betting oppotunities..see how it goes...lost 80 quid last night because was not listen to john and was thinking I am very good with numbers but spining beast had different opinion(is human nature I guess when I grow up I hope I will be like one of you ;D ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Ah mate soz to hear that :( What happened to cause ure loss ?
nothing to do with matrix theory was just spark in my crazy brain (if there is any) as i was playn your metod matrix and was wining then was this feeling that you know number will hit you go for it but as you see did not happen..human nature and lack of experience...as they say good decisions come from experience,but experience itself comes from wrong decisions....crazy ehh ;D
Quote from: maestro on Apr 03, 10:30 AM 2011
Nothing to do with matrix theory was just spark in my crazy brain (if there is any) as I was playn your metod matrix and was wining then was this feeling that you know number will hit you go for it but as you see did not happen..human nature and lack of experience...as they say good decisions come from experience,but experience itself comes from wrong decisions....crazy ehh ;D
Yes, we have all been there mate
Good for you to reconize it and move on, many dont :thumbsup:
twisteruk how mutch wins do you have an hour when betting every quad 3 wide ?
Quote from: Post on Apr 03, 10:34 AM 2011
Twisteruk how mutch wins do you have an hour when betting every quad 3 wide ?
I dont keep a note of wins per hour Post
Sometimes you can go a while and get none then get a cluster of 4 or 5
What about you ?
Quote from: marivo on Apr 03, 07:46 AM 2011
So as "maestro" said: be careful with BV no zero!
Well like you said you can have clusters average 1-2 an hour I think witch is enough ;)
Quote from: Post on Apr 03, 10:36 AM 2011
Well like you said you can have clusters average 1-2 an hour I think witch is enough ;)
Agreed :xd: :twisted:
whats this betting without a trigger mean because if ur waiting for a quad not to become 5 aint that a trigger?
yes just bet al the quads ;)
Quote from: StackBundles on Apr 03, 10:41 AM 2011
What's this betting without a trigger mean because if your waiting for a quad not to become 5 ain't that a trigger?
A Trigger in this context means waiting for a 5 pointer to happen, then after that bet Quads not to become 5 pointers so in effect you have to have six 5 pointers to bust
Buuuuuut most dont play with a Trigger due to the fact that 5 pointers dont happen so often as Quads
Hope that helps mate :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 03, 10:46 AM 2011
A Trigger in this context means waiting for a 5 pointer to happen, then after that bet Quads not to become 5 pointers so in effect you have to have six 5 pointers to bust
Buuuuuut most don't play with a Trigger due to the fact that 5 pointers don't happen so often as Quads
Hope that helps mate :)
Zig Zag is right columns form QUADS without even getting out of bed. I think this is the way to speed up turnover nicely with MV5
I have played 10 games today for the DOZENS, all winners in TWO STEPS max 10 QUADS, 3 FIVE POINTERS, no trigger. In the same time frame, columns formed 13 QUADS and 4 FIVE POINTERS.
This is the way to do it guys. The only difference is I will be risking half the progression on COLUMNS. Until I know how they behave inside the THREE WIDE MATRIX. ;D ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 03, 11:07 AM 2011
Zig Zag is right columns form QUADS without even getting out of bed. I think this the way to speed up turnover nicely with MV5
I have played 10 games today for the DOZENS, all winners in TWO STEPS max 10 QUADS, 3 FIVE POINTERS, no trigger. In the same time frame, columns formed 13 QUADS and 4 FIVE POINTERS.
This is the way to do it guys. The only difference is I will be risking half the progression on COLUMNS. Until I know are they behave inside the THREE WIDE MATRIX. ;D ;D
JL, was the 4 Five Pointers consecutive on the Columns ? Or broken up by wins ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 03, 10:03 AM 2011
Zig, have you ever used your 4th step ?
The most I've ever seen is two 5 pointers :o :o :twisted:
Not even close mate. All i have seen is ONE that went to second step
On the 5 line betting against quads i got one that took me to third step becuse of zero(Without trigger)
I'm now doing a 3 step for 5 pointer (Without trigger)
and a 4 step using smaller chips betting on a 5 line against quads (without trigger) :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 03, 11:12 AM 2011
JL, was the 4 Five Pointers consecutive on the Columns ? Or broken up by wins ?
LOL Yes sorry, they were broken by wins. Nothing worse than two steps TWISTER.
I think this really is the anwser to get more satisfying turnover from our sessions. Luckily for us Zig Zag has done plenty of testing on COLUMNS.
Your welcome John. I was absolutly astonished at how different the colounms behaved when i was playing the matrix30. As you say it eats quads for breakfast on a 3 wide
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 11:22 AM 2011
Maybe a 4 wide for coloumns could be the answer?
Good thought Zig Zag, COLUMNS are like a river, DOZENS like a stream. They are randoms wild side. They need more containing. THE FOUR WIDE GRID. Might be the anwser.
Thanks for your work on the columns Zig Zag, I think, the combo of columns and dozens will make MATRIX 5 to use your expression, THE DADDY OF ALL MATRIX METHODS... :o :o
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 11:22 AM 2011
Your welcome John. I was absolutly astonished at how different the colounms behaved when I was playing the matrix30. As you say it eats quads for breakfast on a 3 wide
LoL yes Zig Zag. Lets hope they don't want an early lunch with FIVE POINTERS. I feel all the exchange with you guys, has made a big difference. And weve arrived with a MATRIX method that contains random well enough for us to make some attractive profit.
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My God :o
Just played Dozens and Columns 3x for 160 Spins NOT ONE Quad !!!
No bets :'(
lol Im amazed :D :o :xd: :twisted:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 03, 11:55 AM 2011
PATTERN BREAKER my last gem hits the forum APRIL 8TH
I'm so excited about this. Can't wait :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 03, 12:04 PM 2011
My God :o
Just played Dozens and Columns 3x for 160 Spins NOT ONE Quad !!!
No bets :'(
LoL I'm amazed :D :o :xd: :twisted:
I watched a whole 1 hour documentry about TOP OF THE POPS before seeing 1 TREBLE on a 5 wide :D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 03, 12:04 PM 2011
My God :o
Just played Dozens and Columns 3x for 160 Spins NOT ONE Quad !!!
No bets :'(
LoL I'm amazed :D :o :xd: :twisted:
Twister are you playing at PADDYPOWER? I find that a strange place for live play, I'm sure they train those Russian girls to do stranger things than an RNG on a live wheel. At Betfreds you never wait too long to see four of the best staring at you. William hill too...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 03, 12:12 PM 2011
Twister are you playing at PADDYPOWER? I find that a strange place for live play, I'm sure they train those Russian girls to do stranger things than an RNG on a live wheel. A Betfreds you never wait to long to see four of the best staring at you. William hill too.
Yes I am ;D
Those ladies from Latvia make my day lol (the mrs hates it ahahaha)
Hmmmmm I dont usually have any problems there, prob just hit a "dull patch"
I have been looking at this strategy with great interest and may I say thank you to John for sharing it with all of us.
As we all know a double street bet or a line bet is equivalent to a dozen/column bet. I am wondering if this strategy can be applied to betting 4 line bets on the inside. This way we can track more "dozen" s and possibly there will be more betting opportunities.
The recording of the results will look like this :
136
632
245
543 . . . . . .
Hope that helps ;)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 03, 12:17 PM 2011
Yes I am ;D
Those ladies from Latvia make my day LoL (the mrs hates it ahahaha)
Hmmmmm I don't usually have any problems there, prob just hit a "dull patch"
Yes theres some serious eye candy on these live sites luckily I dont have a Mrs to nag me about it lol. Yes you can get patches where nothings doing with true random. YOULL NEVER SEE THAT ON AN RNG...
Quote from: Francis on Apr 03, 12:18 PM 2011
I have been looking at this strategy with great interest and may I say thank you to John for sharing it with all of us.
As we all know a double street bet or a line bet is equivalent to a dozen/column bet. I am wondering if this strategy can be applied to betting 4 line bets on the inside. This way we can track more "dozen" s and possibly there will be more betting opportunities.
The recording of the results will look like this :
136
632
245
543 . . . . . .
Hope that helps ;)
Sounds interestin ;D
Do you have any stats which suggest this is a better style of play ?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 03, 12:23 PM 2011
Yes you can get patches where nothings doing with true random. YOULL NEVER SEE THAT ON AN RNG...
Yes thats a 100% True and PROVES RNG is NOT Random :xd: :lol: :twisted: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 03, 12:23 PM 2011
Sounds interestin ;D
Do you have any stats which suggest this is a better style of play ?
Francis hi, BOATRAN8 has already addressed playing LINES IN THE MATRIX. Check his thread out. THE ONLY DRAWBACK WITH LINES, the buy in is 240 units. And three wide you might be drawing a pension before you get a trigger and game completed. It takes long enough for dozens.
Quote from: marivo on Apr 03, 07:46 AM 2011
I was just spinning it again today (William Hill CASINO CLUB ) in playing mode and here are the spins (6878 spins). It was French roulette rng. I tested again (this and previous 5518 spins from yesterday) with Matrix.exe with settings:
5x wide matrix and 3x wide matrix, dozens and columns
4 step progression
against 5 pointers (quints)
with trigger
resetting after each win
All progressions won!
Just a curiosity: I have an old spins from november last year when I was testing F_lat_ino's system on BV no zero rng table, fun play (about 430 spins). I couldnt beleave it but those spins DID lose with same settings of Matrix.exe as I show above on 5x wide matrix for dozens and as I said in only 430 spins. So as you said: be careful with BV no zero!
By the way, what rng are you playing?
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yep, no zero = no good for this system.
i play playtech rngs as i see them as very user friendly. In the past they have reaped me appart with almost ANY system i'd throw on the table but this one is holding quite solid, and i not even close to danger with the progression. F_lat_ino's system does quite well indeed even in these rngs, but after 4-5 wins one needs to get out (10-50 units). These programs are pure predators, so if playing real money, not good to stay for long.
vundarosa
hi john can i play 5 wide no trigger on treble not becoming 4 and 5 thanks.
warrior i been playing it that way to speed it up a bit .
That just shows how infrequent the wheel can produce such results ruining the wheel
5 across play after quad forms
sound good thanks.
Quote from: Francis on Apr 03, 12:18 PM 2011
I have been looking at this strategy with great interest and may I say thank you to John for sharing it with all of us.
As we all know a double street bet or a line bet is equivalent to a dozen/column bet. I am wondering if this strategy can be applied to betting 4 line bets on the inside. This way we can track more "dozen" s and possibly there will be more betting opportunities.
The recording of the results will look like this :
136
632
245
543 . . . . . .
Hope that helps ;)
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i think there's already something in "full systems" to that effect.......
vundarosa
may bad warrior i play trips as well not to form quads. hardly ever even see that!. twisty does trips on 5 across
Quote from: warrior on Apr 03, 12:39 PM 2011
Hi john can I play 5 wide no trigger on treble not becoming 4 and 5 thanks.
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warrior, i played like that for sometime but gave up. Reason being, if you lose on treble (3) and it became a quad (4) and lose on a quad which became a 5 pointer, to recover the 5 pointer loss you now must wait for another treble to lose (becoming a quad). If you bet the quad will not become a 5 pointer and you lose again, (you now go 2nd step on trebles not becoming quads) and then finally bet your five pointer (and hopefully win it). Otherwise you have to go through the motions agains and be betting 3rd step on trip not becoming a quad and hopping to lose so you can now bet (and win) against the quad not becoming a 5 pointer. It takes a higher BR and i found it a bit frustrating....
If however you decide to skip betting trebles will not become quads waiting for one to lose so you finally bet against the 5 pointer, you'll soon be kicking yourself for the many trebles which did not become quads!
So, it actually makes the playing longer, but yes, once you get all the wins the profits are higher for the same number of spins
vundarosa
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4563. msg45390#msg45390 date=1301848323
Francis hi, BOATRAN8 has already addressed playing LINES IN THE MATRIX. Check his thread out. THE ONLY DRAWBACK WITH LINES, the buy in is 240 units. And three wide you might be drawing a pension before you get a trigger and game completed. It takes long enough for dozens.
Thanks for the reference. I think BOATRAN8 was betting against a single line not appearing in the vertical matrix while I am suggesting betting two lines to not appearing. Betting 4 line bets should not be very much different from betting two dozens in the original method.
How I will play is to bet against a vertical Quad becoming A FIVE POINTER with a 1-4-13-40 progression on each of the four lines. I will track 3X, 5X and 7X matrices all at the same time. That will give me more betting opportunities,
Just did 100 live spins and had three 5 pointers in a row but won on the fourth step I used ;D
Results seem to be good, but I'm struggling to understand why this should work.
I can see why this works in the short term, but when you eventually get the 5 quads in a row, isn't it going to wipe out everything that you've won?
Its been a good day today ;D :twisted: :xd:
Apart from 150-200 spins with NO Quad :o :o :o
Playin Dozens and Columns in a 3x ;D :xd: :twisted:
This should be played on LIVE wheels then for maximum success? Has it been tested on RNG as well?
we are betting against 5 pointers not quads the force ;)
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 03, 12:39 PM 2011
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yep, no zero = no good for this system.
i play playtech rngs as I see them as very user friendly. In the past they have reaped me appart with almost ANY system i'd throw on the table but this one is holding quite solid, and I not even close to danger with the progression. F_lat_ino's system does quite well indeed even in these rngs, but after 4-5 wins one needs to get out (10-50 units). These programs are pure predators, so if playing real money, not good to stay for long.
vundarosa
Well said Vundarosa, ASK YOURSELF THIS, Why would any casino remove the house edge (ZERO) and not be confident you will still lose?
Let bet voyager introduce a REAL WHEEL with no ZERO. I will be living on it. TEMPLATE 7 in particular would destroy a no zero live wheel.
john legend i just saw my first three 5pointers in a row but was using four steps and won ;)
Quote from: warrior on Apr 03, 12:39 PM 2011
Hi john can I play 5 wide no trigger on treble not becoming 4 and 5 thanks.
Hey Warrior good to hear from you. Yes Twister said this works well on A FIVE WIDE
GRID. Live especially RANDOM gets terminated in this MATRIX 5.
how about playing 5 wide against 3 quads in a row LIVE ? so no trigger just bet the trips ?
Quote from: Post on Apr 03, 04:27 PM 2011
How about playing 5 wide against 3 quads in a row LIVE ? so no trigger just bet the trips ?
Sounds like a plan Post It would be 26pts well risked. According to Twister, you could go on vacation in the time it takes to get three QUADS LIVE FIVE WIDE.
haha sound interesting need some testing ;)
I been playing on a 5 wide against quads for last 3 days. (Live wheel) without trigger. Treat it as a side bet with smaller chips while playing 3 wide 5 pointer as your main bet.
Ive only been taken to 3rd step ONCE which won, so deserves longer test to see its average strikerate
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 05:43 PM 2011
I been playing on a 5 wide against quads for last 3 days. (Live wheel) without trigger. Treat it as a side bet with smaller chips while playing 3 wide 5 pointer as your main bet.
I've only been taken to 3rd step ONCE which won, so deserves longer test to see its average strikerate
Im starting to think thiis FIVE WIDE has its uses. Nice idea Zig Zag.
John you should get at least 5 bets in per hour (live wheel) with this so would be quick to recover a 3 step if needed :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 05:43 PM 2011
I been playing on a 5 wide against quads for last 3 days. (Live wheel) without trigger. Treat it as a side bet with smaller chips while playing 3 wide 5 pointer as your main bet.
I've only been taken to 3rd step ONCE which won, so deserves longer test to see its average strikerate
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@zigzag, i've been playing like this for some time. I have gone to 3rd step as well a few times, some due to zero. However on the columns i've seen it bust the 4step prog without a trigger.
AND, btw, I've never stopped betting against doubles becoming trebles on a 5 wide matrix, after a trigger (a treble already formed). That's my main bet in this system. Never lost on Doz but again, columns busts a 4 step progression and with trigger once, airball paddypower, so now i play columns with double trigger when betting against trips and a single trigger when betting against quads (waiting for a quad to form before betting) when playing 5 wide.
vundarosa
Quote from: Droganson on Apr 03, 02:36 PM 2011
This should be played on LIVE wheels then for maximum success? Has it been tested on RNG as well?
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@Droganson, John plays in RNG. I do too, but a bit differently. Both of us play for 5 units only RNG. I'm sure a few others do to....
vundarosa
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 06:03 PM 2011
John you should get at least 5 bets in per hour (live wheel) with this so would be quick to recover a 3 step if needed :thumbsup:
Played Dozens and columns today Zig Zag, made double points in same time frame. THE FIVE has it covered people. ITS OPEN SEASON ON ROULETTE With this one. ;D :girl_to: ;D :girl_to: ;D :girl_to: ;D :girl_to:
Vunda
Do you wait for a trigger miss, before you track for your next bet ?
3 grid matirx
Cheers
YEEEHAAAA we can finally all get our money back !!!
True to your name LEGEND
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 03, 06:21 PM 2011
Vunda
Do you wait for a trigger miss, before you track for your next bet ?
3 grid matirx
Cheers
YEEEHAAAA we can finally all get our money back !!!
True to your name LEGEND
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when betting on doz, no trigger. when betting on columns with trigger. But there are more betting oportunities on columns so no problem playing with trigger.....i just feel columns are less "stable" than dozens, that's why the extra care.
vundarosa
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 03, 06:21 PM 2011
Vunda
Do you wait for a trigger miss, before you track for your next bet ?
3 grid matirx
Cheers
YEEEHAAAA we can finally all get our money back !!!
True to your name LEGEND
Lol, Imagine 50,000 people could get the mindset to run MV 5. A noise would resonate through the industry. Casino spies would mess up their britches, Mathematicians would be looking for TWISTER, ATLANTIS and me. Something big has started on this forum people. How big and far reaching it becomes. Depends on us and the newbies who discover it and hopefuly run with it.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 03, 06:43 PM 2011
LoL, Imagine 50,000 people could get the mindset to run MV 5. A noise would resonate through the industry. Casino spies would mess up their britches, Mathematicians would be looking for TWISTER, ATLANTIS and me. Something big has started on this forum people. How big and far reaching it becomes. Depends on us and the newbies who discover it and hopefuly run with it.
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one thing John, the casino programmers will surely change their rngs as soon they find about this. So all we have to rely on is live wheel till they figure out a way to ban it from the casinos....hopefully not in our lifetime :-)
vundarosa
Brilliant John :D :thumbsup:
I was hoping for postive results on the coloums to get more bets it :xd: :thumbsup: Also with Atlantis RLS movements we can have 4 times the bets?
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 03, 06:09 PM 2011
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@zigzag, i've been playing like this for some time. I have gone to 3rd step as well a few times, some due to zero. However on the columns i've seen it bust the 4step prog without a trigger.
AND, by the way, I've never stopped betting against doubles becoming trebles on a 5 wide matrix, after a trigger (a treble already formed). That's my main bet in this system. Never lost on Doz but again, columns busts a 4 step progression and with trigger once, airball paddypower, so now I play columns with double trigger when betting against trips and a single trigger when betting against quads (waiting for a quad to form before betting) when playing 5 wide.
vundarosa
So your playing against trips? I was doing this at the begining playing after a trigger as i was always a big fan with the original Matrix30 (3 wide against trips) BUT on a 5 wide it i was convinced it would make it more powerful! (After trigger)
How may times have you been taken to 3rd step betting against trips? I was taken to 3rd step 2 times once becuse of the zero but won about 50 units.
We could form a Matrix club and all meet up in Vegas wearing our Matrix sunglasses :xd:
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 03, 06:47 PM 2011
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one thing John, the casino programmers will surely change their rngs as soon they find about this. So all we have to rely on is live wheel till they figure out a way to ban it from the casinos....hopefully not in our lifetime :-)
vundarosa
Lol yeah I can imagine all their programmers being issued with MATRIX CHARTS saying this is FIVE POINTER Program the RNGS to make 10 in a Row lol.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 06:50 PM 2011
We could form a Matrix club and all meet up in Vegas wearing our Matrix sunglasses :xd:
Il be there :thumbsup: :D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 06:47 PM 2011
Brilliant John :D :thumbsup:
I was hoping for postive results on the coloums to get more bets it :xd: :thumbsup: Also with Atlantis RLS movements we can have 4 times the bets?
So your playing against trips? I was doing this at the begining playing after a trigger as I was always a big fan with the original Matrix30 (3 wide against trips) BUT on a 5 wide it I was convinced it would make it more powerful! (After trigger)
How may times have you been taken to 3rd step betting against trips? I was taken to 3rd step 2 times once becuse of the zero but won about 50 units.
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i've gone to 4th step a few times when zero showed his ugly head. so i've been actually thinking about skipping a bet if zero shows up early on the progression.... as much as i don't like losing any profit made in the section, i also don't feel very confortable to put the 4th step on the table, but the playing like this is quite easy to recover as there are many many betting chances. Plus i play a pseudo two of a kind, waiting for a double loss +1 loss which gives me another betting chance that wins all the time.
vundarosa
I was wondering how long it would take to make an impact on the casino's??
Also how much can you take out an online casino a day before your banned??
Lads holiday to vegas Yeeeeehaaaaa
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 03, 06:57 PM 2011
LoL yeah I can imagine all their programmers being issued with MATRIX CHARTS saying this is FIVE POINTER Program the RNGS to make 10 in a Row LoL.
I think they make so much from people losing that they dont care if a couple guys sitt with a coffee and matrix sunglasses in our home and write numbers all day long like crazy and win :D
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 03, 07:03 PM 2011
I was wondering how long it would take to make an impact on the casino's??
Also how much can you take out an online casino a day before your banned??
Lads holiday to vegas Yeeeeehaaaaa
I would say never. They make so much from all that are losing. Only few people with patient and disiplin will win by playing this system :thumbsup:
Banned! Millions maiby :D
Vegas here we come :D :D :D
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 03, 07:03 PM 2011
I was wondering how long it would take to make an impact on the casino's??
Also how much can you take out an online casino a day before your banned??
Lads holiday to vegas Yeeeeehaaaaa
Its all about numbers Strat, if enough people realize the power of the MATRIX. The wave made would go mainstream. Mathematicians would start to question the gods of math. Forget pandoras box. We openned Randoms BLACKHOLE.
Id love to hit Vegas with this and PATTERN BREAKER in 2012. Anyone ever heard of the Spanish Palaya family. Between 1990 and 1994 their had casinos in Europe running scared by playing BIASED WHEELS.
MATRIX 5 will take any wheel. This only needs 50,000 worldwide. And all hell will break loose. :o
Hi Vundarosa if your playing against trips on a 5 wide then you should spins bet it just like in the original Matrix30. Still play within 30 spins of your first trigger then out! Aslo only play a 3 step with trigger.
John so your saying we now can play 5 wide (5 Pointer) against doz/cols on live wheel or this just for RNG?
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 07:21 PM 2011
Hi Vundarosa if your playing against trips on a 5 wide then you should spins bet it just like in the original Matrix30. Still play within 30 spins of your first trigger then out! Aslo only play a 3 step with trigger.
John so your saying we now can play 5 wide (5 Pointer) against doz/cols on live wheel or this just for RNG?
Zig Zag thanks to you ive realized MV 5 will take it all live, Rng, DOZENS, COLUMNS. We just need a trigger on the RNG. Its open season on ROULETTE. The more people that get this the better.
Brilliant John :thumbsup: As i can imagine that if the dozens are not producing quads the cols WILL BE and vice versa ;)
Played this for 6 hours today at a B & M. Played 2 hours on an RNG, 2 on an airball, and 2 on a live dealer table. Results were nearly the same. RNG provided a few more betting opportunities. I can only say, if you have the patience, you're golden. I don't see the need to play this any other way but as a flat bet. I used black chips and ended up +16. Most I was ever down was -2. Nice for a few hours ... very little anxiety. But, patience is absolute using this strategy and regardless of how good it is I don't think most people will be able to play it consistently as they don't have the strength to sit and be bored .... no matter the win rate.
That's my 2 cents. Thanks for sharing. You guys have done an exceptional job!
Gator
Quote from: Wally Gator on Apr 03, 09:47 PM 2011
Played this for 6 hours today at a B & M. Played 2 hours on an RNG, 2 on an airball, and 2 on a live dealer table. Results were nearly the same. RNG provided a few more betting opportunities. I can only say, if you have the patience, you're golden. I don't see the need to play this any other way but as a flat bet. I used black chips and ended up +16. Most I was ever down was -2. Nice for a few hours ... very little anxiety. But, patience is absolute using this strategy and regardless of how good it is I don't think most people will be able to play it consistently as they don't have the strength to sit and be bored .... no matter the win rate.
That's my 2 cents. Thanks for sharing. You guys have done an exceptional job!
Gator
What progression do you guys use now?
I still use 1.3.9.27 etc.
I have double my bank allready.
Jon :)
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 07:34 PM 2011
Brilliant John :thumbsup: As I can imagine that if the dozens are not producing quads the cols WILL BE and vice versa ;)
Thats the idea Zig Zag, I play for FIVE WINS a session, if I can cut the time it takes get those five wins down. Thats fine by me.
Anytime I start a session the first thing I do is retrack the history bar, it speeds things up.
How is everyone playing this at the moment
3 matrix 5 pointer live no trigger 1,3,9,27
or only 1,3,9 if loss double up
5 matrix quads columns with trigger and 1,3,9 or 1,3,9,27
5 matrix quads dozens no trigger and only 1,3,9 if loss double up
Thanks
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 03, 06:50 PM 2011
We could form a Matrix club and all meet up in Vegas wearing our Matrix sunglasses :xd:
I LOVE Vegas :D ;D :xd: :twisted:
We wud all look awesome kickin those Pit Boss Slime Balls with our MATRIX Glasses on :xd: :lol: :twisted:
HAHAHAHA :D
Dont forget Reno guys, that is a great place too ;D
Just the 10hr flight suuuuuuuucks big time lol :D
I just thought of something and would love to hear your opinion.
What makes MV 5 different to say for example card counting in Black Jack?
The point I'm trying to make, is that can walking into a casino, sitting down with your paper & pen, not get you marching orders out of the casino?
Online they won't know what hit them... :twisted:
Regards,
Mauricio
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 04, 04:08 AM 2011
I just thought of something and would love to hear your opinion.
What makes MV 5 different to say for example card counting in Black Jack?
The point I'm trying to make, is that can walking into a casino, sitting down with your paper & pen, not get you marching orders out of the casino?
Online they won't know what hit them... :twisted:
Regards,
Mauricio
No you wont get asked to leave because ure makin notes. Ive seen ppl sit at a table for hours makin notes and only bettin once every 50-100 spins
Check out the Bac tables, its like that all the time
The casino even provide you with the scorecard to use to make ure notes on !
Dont forget they are workin on the premise that you will lose due to the unfair payout (yes it is known as the house edge but its the same)
Ive been in a Casino puttin $1000 on Red/Black and the Pit Boss was givin the dealer a real hard time.
I remember hearin him say (he did whisper but i still heard) to the dealer "hey he is sittin there with $5000 in chips, your the dealer sort it out !
True story ;D
Then the dealer gets me to order a drink hopin i wud get drunk and bust, i just had 3 free singapore slings and went to the cashier lol
They have an attitude too. And thats a whole nother different story lol ;D ;D :xd: :thumbsup:
hi everyone dont want to spoil the party but just got bust on winner casino matrix 5 playing 1,3,9,27, has this happened to anybody else
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 05:40 AM 2011
Hi everyone don't want to spoil the party but just got bust on winner casino matrix 5 playing 1,3,9,27, has this happened to anybody else
With trigger? Against 5 pointers?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 04:15 AM 2011
No you wont get asked to leave because your makin notes. I've seen people sit at a table for hours makin notes and only bettin once every 50-100 spins
Check out the Bac tables, its like that all the time
The casino even provide you with the scorecard to use to make your notes on !
don't forget they are working on the premise that you will lose due to the unfair payout (yes it is known as the house edge but its the same)
I've been in a Casino puttin $1000 on Red/Black and the Pit Boss was givin the dealer a real hard time.
I remember hearin him say (he did whisper but I still heard) to the dealer "hey he is sittin there with $5000 in chips, your the dealer sort it out !
True story ;D
Then the dealer gets me to order a drink hopin I would get drunk and bust, I just had 3 free singapore slings and went to the cashier LoL
They have an attitude too. And that's a whole nother different story LoL ;D ;D :xd: :thumbsup:
Tell me about it Twister, I spent 8 years on the casino circuit. Regarding recording data for the matrix id have code so even if they looked at my records theyd have no idea what I was doing other than creaming off their profits. ;D
yes with trigger
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 05:40 AM 2011
Hi everyone don't want to spoil the party but just got bust on winner casino matrix 5 playing 1,3,9,27, has this happened to anybody else
So you had FIVE 5 pointers in a row on a 3x Grid ?
no 5 in a row on a 5 wide grid
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 06:17 AM 2011
No 5 in a row on a 5 wide grid
Real Wheel or RNG mate ?
on RNG at winner casino i had already doubled my bankroll then BANG
What..... CAN'T be :o
Just to make DOUBLE sure... did you try and ride out the 5 in a row....of did you take a loss to the next stage?
IM VERY SORRY BUT I AM TELLING YOU THIS DID HAPPEN
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 06:12 AM 2011
So you had FIVE 5 pointers in a row on a 3x Grid ?
On a live wheel? I cant even get two most of the time. Born under a bad sign?
i played the full progression 1 lost 3 lost 9 lost 27 lost
i am gutted
joiner is winner casino a trusted RNG
Because if your playing an RNG it's even more important to use a trusted one like ladbrokes as the legend said.
To be beat on a 5 wide grid too, hard to find a 4 pointer let alone happening 4 times on the bounce in live play.
Also they said about short sessions on RNG so its not got time to work out your betting pattern .
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 06:20 AM 2011
On RNG at winner casino I had already doubled my bankroll then BANG
Yeah their casino spies have probably started changing the program already. Always knew Twister was weary of RNGS for a reason. JOINER29 can you play Live online. If so start playing DOZENS AND COLUMNS THREE WIDE.
On an RNG you should have been playing FIVE WIDE. Three wide isnt safe enough.
hi john was playing 5 wide short sessions 2 wins and out for at least 30 mins
My 2c,
1.Stay away from Winner then!
2. Perhaps try Matrix 7 @ Winner
You doubled your bankroll, you should have walked away dude!
There's always tomorrow, and the day after....
Really sorry about your loss. Taking this into consideration, so far, I think your the only person that has had a bad run?
Regards,
Mauricio
thanks for the kind words i still believe in the system just be wary
I wouldn't be surprised john they mus have their eye on all this type of thing to see what's happening.
I would if I had a big casino
Also anyone make a living off roulette know i'd like too
they must be reading this forum and making changes as we speak they cant let us walk away with their money as easy as this but keep on trying boys we love you all
My advice is play Dozens and Columns on a LIVE Wheel on a 3x Grid
Ive only ever had two 5 pointers and that was only once, so far !
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 06:40 AM 2011
They must be reading this forum and making changes as we speak they can't let us walk away with their money as easy as this but keep on trying boys we love you all
Joiner you got hit on an RNG dont worry live they cant touch MATRIX 5.
PATTERN BREAKER CAN BEAT AN RNG. Because it cant be read. You are in and out too quickly. But Ladbrokes rng cant beat MATRIX 5 FIVE WIDE EITHER. This is just the start people.
Hi joiner sorry about your loss. Just to make double sure did you see a 5 pointer and then bet it wont become a 6, 7 8 or 9 pointer or did you bet seperatly on each quad you see?
bet separate on each quad
Ok mate sorry about your loss. How many times did it go fourth step on your way to doubling your bank?
ok so we know it can happen, really we all know it can happen and would..
I know vunda ran it through a RNG test and it happened twice in 20,000 spins
People don't like them tests but those results do speak volumes , probably the best results i've ever seen a system produce against numbers generated.
Live wheel more than likely produce less than that, who knows just yet..
never went to 4th step
never went to 4th step whilst doubling bank so RNGs must be keeping track after regular wins
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 07:05 AM 2011
Never went to 4th step
Cheers for that Joiner. Just thinking that if 4th step is so rare that a 3 step would be best for this as would have only be 26 units to recover. I still havent gone past 2nd step on slingshot
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 06:23 AM 2011
I'm VERY SORRY BUT I AM TELLING YOU THIS DID HAPPEN
I have to say it makes a change from me being the Party Pooper :D
You no longer the matrix Grim Reaper :D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 04, 07:26 AM 2011
You no longer the matrix Grim Reaper :D
HA HA :D :D :D :xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :P
well rng you know it will perform just make you lose..may be best when you play rng have matrix5 betting with trigger and matrix5 checking the movements like atlantis i think was doing it ,because at the end matrix is matrix and any 3given events at roulette will perform under law of random (hard to get 5 pointers) :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 12:29 AM 2011
that's the idea Zig Zag, I play for FIVE WINS a session, if I can cut the time it takes get those five wins down. that's fine by me.
Anytime I start a session the first thing I do is retrack the history bar, it speeds things up.
be careful with the history bar somtimes they are not true numbers john.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 08:19 AM 2011
be careful with the history bar somtimes the are not true numbers john.
Betfreds are kosher Warrior I've been studying them for a few years, their biggest weapon is the Russian ladies they have spinning the ball to break your concentration. I MIGHT HAVE A BANTER AFTER MY SESSION IS OVER. LoL. ;D
well john 5 wide live one week doubled my bank.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 08:19 AM 2011
be careful with the history bar somtimes they are not true numbers john.
Do you mean RNG or Live warrior ?
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 04, 07:10 AM 2011
Cheers for that Joiner. Just thinking that if 4th step is so rare that a 3 step would be best for this as would have only be 26 units to recover. I still haven't gone past 2nd step on slingshot
Slingshot is a doddle to beat with Matrix 5 Zig Zag, and its newbie friendly with smaller bets possible. No RNG is ever true random. The fact that Joiner29 got FIVE, FIVE POINTERS so easily on a 5 wide grid proves that.
Twister nearly fell asleep waiting for ONE FIVE POINTER 5 wide live. airball or live dozens and columns is a dream. Have won 25 games no for columns THREE FIVE POINTERS once the worst result. Dozens are behaving themselves. Last 25 games TWO FIVE POINTERS the best true random can show me.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 08:34 AM 2011
Do you mean RNG or Live warrior ?
i only play live .
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 08:37 AM 2011
I only play live .
So your sayin that when we log onto a Live Wheel the numbers listed as previous spins are not true ?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 08:35 AM 2011
Slingshot is a doddle to beat with Matrix 5 Zig Zag, and its newbie friendly with smaller bets possible. No RNG is ever true random. The fact that Joiner29 got FIVE, FIVE POINTERS so easily on a 5 wide grid proves that.
Twister nearly fell asleep waiting for ONE FIVE POINTER 5 wide live. airball or live dozens and columns is a dream. Have won 25 games no for columns THREE FIVE POINTERS once the worst result. Dozens are behaving themselves. Last 25 games TWO FIVE POINTERS the best true random can show me.
Ive not noticed any difference btwn Dozens and Columns in a 3x Grid Live
Really struggle sometimes just to get bets :D :D :D
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 08:31 AM 2011
Well john 5 wide live one week doubled my bank.
Well done Warrior you have that patience required to beat this game long term keep going.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 08:38 AM 2011
So your sayin that when we log onto a Live Wheel the numbers listed as previous spins are not true ?
i went to bm the other day as soon as they opened but the numbers on the touch bet were not correct ,all im saying when tracking always start from what you see thats on a live feed or bm you just never know.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 08:43 AM 2011
i went to bm the other day as soon as they opened but the numbers on the touch bet were not correct ,all I'm saying when tracking always start from what you see that's on a live feed or bm you just never know.
How do you know mate ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 08:45 AM 2011
How do you know mate ?
I expierenced it the other day but I did tell them that the numbers on the touch bet were different then the board , probably from the night before .
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 08:50 AM 2011
I expierenced it the other day but I did tell them that the numbers on the touch bet were differentthen the board , probably from the night before .
Ah I see, thanx for the heads up :thumbsup:
Would a different progression method not perhaps be better for the RNG's ???
Regards,
Mauricio
Play RNG only one session and quit. And play trusted casino RNG. 5wide with trigger.
Play live all day and win. Its just imposible to lose live with this only zero can make it lose.
RNG is the worst shit ever made its not roulette!
Jon
I agree and understand that. The point I'm trying to make is, that maybe....just maybe with different progression ( something like a LabouchÃÆ'Ã,¨re ) Joiner29 would not have lost his bank...
So with live stick to the 1,3,9,27 - but modify it for RNG to give the user a even better chance.
So you have the awesome system the Matrix 5, and all you're doing is just adding some more armor to it by tweaking the progression.
Regards,
Mauricio
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 08:06 AM 2011
Well rng you know it will perform just make you lose..may be best when you play rng have matrix5 betting with trigger and matrix5 checking the movements like atlantis I think was doing it ,because at the end matrix is matrix and any 3given events at roulette will perform under law of random (hard to get 5 pointers) :thumbsup:
Hi,
It is not difficult to track the "movements" as well as the DOZENS in a matrix of 3 or 5 should you not trust the columns.
If the doz goes from 1 to 2, 2 to 3 or 3 to 1 it is a R(ight) move
If the doz goes from 3 to 2, 2 to 1 or 1 to 3 it is L(eft) move
If the doz repeats then it is (S)ame
Begin by looking at the last number e.g.: 15B = 2 (second dozen)
Start matrix from next number...
Matrix3
DOZ----MOVES
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132 = L, L, L
111 = L, S, S
313 = L, R, L
221 = L, S, L--Trigger quad LLLL in col 1 (bet against dozen 3)
So here I am betting against vertical 5 pointers (quins) for both dozens and movements.
I'm playing Live - not rng
I won +40u from TWO OF A KIND and I am now changing to the above but using the same double doz progression I used for 2ofaK:
I start with 0.5 - 0.5
Always incrementing after a loss by 0.5u
However, on a win the unit progression is reduced to the absolute minimum necessary to equal the previous high when close to a full recovery (the minimum being .5 -.5) so as to curtail rising stakes - otherwise despite any win achieved the stakes continue to rise each bet by 0.5u...
I am NOT using separate bankrolls.
This is how it handles an example 29 game w/l betting string of:
w-L-L-L-w-w-w-L-w-w-w-L-w-L-w-w-L-L-L-L-w-w-w-w-w-L-w-w-w
=BET== =W/L=
.5-.5 W +0.5
1-1 L -1.5
1.5-1.5 L -4.5
2-2 L -8.5
2.5-2.5 W -6
3-3 W -3
3.5-3.5 W +0.5* EQUAL HIGH restart
.5-.5 L -0.5
1-1 W +0.5* EQUAL HIGH restart
.5-.5 W +1 NEW HIGH restart
.5-.5 W +1.5* NEW HIGH restart
.5-.5 L +0.5
1-1 W +1.5*EQUAL HIGH restart
.5-.5 L +0.5
1-1 W +1.5*EQUAL HIGH restart
.5-.5 W +2*NEW HIGH restart
.5-.5 L +1
1-1 L -1
1.5-1.5 L -4
2-2 L -8
2.5-2.5 W -5.5
3-3 W -2.5
3.5-3.5 W +1
1-1 W +2*EQUAL HIGH restart (reduced to 1-1 as only 1u behind previous high)
.5-.5 W +2.5*NEW HIGH restart
.5-.5 L +1.5
1-1 W +2.5*EQUAL HIGH restart
.5-.5 W +3* NEW HIGH restart
.5-.5 W +3.5* NEW HIGH restart
Yes it can take longer to win a few units - but much safer with your bankroll should you ever encounter the dreaded long losing scenario :)
A.
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 04, 08:55 AM 2011
Would a different progression method not perhaps be better for the RNG's ???
Regards,
Mauricio
Not a progression TWO TRIGGERS. Id like to see how far these casinos will go. SIX FIVE POINTERS, SEVEN, TEN?? When TRUE RANDOM can barely give us two. KUDOS to you Twister for your healthy scepticism.
Ladbrokes still hasnt done anything out of the ordinary for MATRIX 5 *FIVE WIDE*
Im really enjoying the combo of DOZENS AND COLUMNS, its improved the time I spend to get my FIVE WINS. Quite a bit.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 04, 09:48 AM 2011
Hi,
It is not difficult to track the "movements" as well as the DOZENS in a matrix of 3 or 5 should you not trust the columns.
If the doz goes from 1 to 2, 2 to 3 or 3 to 1 it is a R(ight) move
If the doz goes from 3 to 2, 2 to 1 or 1 to 3 it is L(eft) move
If the doz repeats then it is (S)ame
Begin by looking at the last number e.g.: 15B = 2 (second dozen)
Start matrix from next number...
Matrix3
DOZ----MOVES
==========
132 = L, L, L
111 = L, S, S
313 = L, R, L
221 = L, S, L--Trigger quad LLLL in col 1 (bet against dozen 3)
So here I am betting against vertical 5 pointers (quins) for both dozens and movements.
I'm playing Live - not rng
I won +40u from TWO OF A KIND and I am now changing to the above but using the same double doz progression I used for 2ofaK:
I start with 0.5 - 0.5
Always incrementing after a loss by 0.5u
However, on a win the unit progression is reduced to the absolute minimum necessary to equal the previous high when close to a full recovery (the minimum being .5 -.5) so as to curtail rising stakes - otherwise despite any win achieved the stakes continue to rise each bet by 0.5u...
I am NOT using separate bankrolls.
A.
Hi Atlantis our co matrix innovator, I do like your movements concept after I present PATTERN BREAKER next this friday I will look at it closely.
John,
You were talking about a Pattern Breaker, and a release date 1st April?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 10:20 AM 2011
Hi Atlantis our co matrix innovator, I do like your movements concept after I present PATTERN BREAKER next this friday I will look at it closely.
Hi JohnL,
Really looking forward to PATTERN BREAKER this Fri! ;)
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 10:14 AM 2011
Not a progression TWO TRIGGERS. Id like to see how far these casinos will go. SIX FIVE POINTERS, SEVEN, TEN?? When TRUE RANDOM can barely give us two. KUDOS to you Twister for your healthy scepticism.
Well the way I see it you never **trully** know if you lost on RNG because it was fair or not. There is no way to tell !
A reputable Live site you know ure ok and if you do lose you know in ure heart it was a true loss, not a man made one !
Plus the ladies from Latvia at Paddypower are well Lush ;D :D :xd: :lol: :twisted: :xd:
i have seen johns pattern breaker it will add to everyone arsenal.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 04, 10:41 AM 2011
I have seen johns pattern breaker it will add to everyone arsenal.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 04, 10:23 AM 2011
John,
You were talking about a Pattern Breaker, and Oa release date 1st April?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yes Maui13 Twister asked me to hold it back another week to give people enough time to get their heads around MV 5. I agreed, sometimes if the forums hit by too many good systems at once. They end up getting under appreciated and passed up.
PATTERN BREAKER needs to be taken as seriously as MV 5. Because it too sets True random a test it fails too often to our benefit.
So sorry for the false alarm but it will be worth the wait...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 10:55 AM 2011
Yes Maui13 Twister asked me to hold it back another week to give people enough time to get their heads around MV 5. I agreed, sometimes if the forums hit by too many good systems at once. They end up getting under appreciated and passed up.
PATTERN BREAKER needs to be taken as seriously as MV 5. Because it too sets True random a test it fails too often to our benefit.
So sorry for the false alarm but it will be worth the wait...
I agree with that. matrix30 was under appreciated as well. All it needed was a little tweek and its working much more better on a 5 wide using a 3 step and gives you lots of bets :thumbsup:
Rome wasn't built in a day! :wink:
what are we betting on at the moment LIVE 5 wide against quads ?
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 04, 11:21 AM 2011
I agree with that. matrix30 was under appreciated as well. All it needed was a little tweek and its working much more better on a 5 wide using a 3 step and gives you lots of bets :thumbsup:
I agree Zig Zag the right tweak can make a SERIOUS difference. That FIVE WIDE GRID gives random all kinds of problems My original Matrix 50 worked very well FIVE WIDE.
Its almost like a perfect container to throw random into.
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 11:41 AM 2011
What are we betting on at the moment LIVE 5 wide against quads ?
Live 3x against 5 pointers ;D
warrior said he played 5 wide what is he betting against LIVE?
just curious
yes post live at my brick and morter, they have a touch bet screen wheel spun every 90 sec.but table can get busy somtimes takes longer.
what do you bet against warrior quads ?
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 11:54 AM 2011
What do you bet against warrior quads ?
in the last week i did not get 1 quad yes against 4x and 5x
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 11:46 AM 2011
Warrior said he played 5 wide what is he betting against LIVE?
just curious
I think he is playing against trips becoming quad. Warrior is like a roulette ninja. You dont hear or see him alot but his patience and persistence are to be admired. He speaks when he really has something to say.
What would you think about betting against 3 quads in a row progression 26 units ;)
5 wide
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 11:57 AM 2011
What would you think about betting against 3 quads in a row progression 26 units ;)
5 wide
Im on it already Post. But man was Twister right. You had better have other things to do while you wait. I got 3 trips in 110 spins only one become a QUAD. *5* is the number people either for MATRIX GRID or FIVE POINTERS. Randoms not interested.
3 wins in 100 spins is more than enough for me ;)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 12:05 PM 2011
I'm on it already Post. But man was Twister right. You had better have other things to do while you wait. I got 3 trips in 110 spins only one become a QUAD. *5* is the number people either for MATRIX GRID or FIVE POINTERS. Randoms not interested.
Yes betting against 5 is the thing. 3 wide live.
Yes L&G, bust bust and bust.
Today was not a good day.
Live, 3x matrix playing 5 pointers no trigger. saw 5 in a row. All the trips that became quads, became five pointers. This was on dozens
there you have it. it can happen! this was after 236 spins. RNG has taken me to 3rd step a few times so i stopped playing there too.
I've actually lost 2 full progressions today, 3x and 5x matrix. on the 5x i was waiting for treble and betting the next double would not become a treble. Bust also! on Dozens as well.
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 04, 12:09 PM 2011
Yes L&G, bust bust and bust.
Today was not a good day.
Live, 3x matrix playing 5 pointers no trigger. saw 5 in a row. All the trips that became quads, became five pointers. This was on dozens
there you have it. it can happen! this was after 236 spins. RNG has taken me to 3rd step a few times so I stopped playing there too.
I've actually lost 2 full progressions today, 3x and 5x matrix. on the 5x I was waiting for treble and betting the next double would not become a treble. Bust also! on Dozens as well.
vundarosa
Did you see five 5 pointers on a live wheel in 3 wide ?
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 04, 12:09 PM 2011
Yes L&G, bust bust and bust.
Today was not a good day.
Live, 3x matrix playing 5 pointers no trigger. saw 5 in a row. All the trips that became quads, became five pointers. This was on dozens
there you have it. it can happen! this was after 236 spins. RNG has taken me to 3rd step a few times so I stopped playing there too.
I've actually lost 2 full progressions today, 3x and 5x matrix. on the 5x I was waiting for treble and betting the next double would not become a treble. Bust also! on Dozens as well.
vundarosa
Who do you play with live Vundarosa?
I can hardly get a two five pointers at Betfreds. Twister is the same at Paddypower. What they have in common UK BOOKMAKERS.
The only time ive heard of suspect results live is dodgy offshore casinos like costa rica or outter mongolia. Out of interest Vundarosa. Do you record your results. And if so. What would have been the outcome if you had played it FIVE WIDE?
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 04, 12:09 PM 2011
Yes L&G, bust bust and bust.
Today was not a good day.
Live, 3x matrix playing 5 pointers no trigger. saw 5 in a row. All the trips that became quads, became five pointers. This was on dozens
there you have it. it can happen! this was after 236 spins. RNG has taken me to 3rd step a few times so I stopped playing there too.
I've actually lost 2 full progressions today, 3x and 5x matrix. on the 5x I was waiting for treble and betting the next double would not become a treble. Bust also! on Dozens as well.
vundarosa
My God :o
Ive only ever seen two 5 pointers in a row :o
Can you tell us what Live Wheel you were playin plz ?
i saw three 5 pointers in a row 3 wide couple of days ago LIVE but 5 ???
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 04, 12:09 PM 2011
Yes L&G, bust bust and bust.
Today was not a good day.
Live, 3x matrix playing 5 pointers no trigger. saw 5 in a row. All the trips that became quads, became five pointers. This was on dozens
there you have it. it can happen! this was after 236 spins. RNG has taken me to 3rd step a few times so I stopped playing there too.
I've actually lost 2 full progressions today, 3x and 5x matrix. on the 5x I was waiting for treble and betting the next double would not become a treble. Bust also! on Dozens as well.
vundarosa
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the spun numbers attached in case i missed something.
vundarosa
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 12:32 PM 2011
I saw three 5 pointers in a row 3 wide couple of days ago LIVE but 5 ???
Looks like my original stipulation will be required for NON UK BOOKMAKER CASINOS
ANYONE PLAYING LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE UK, must play FIVE WIDE. There is another way to look at this If FIVE, FIVE POINTERS are possible SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE will enter the CYCLE at the time one is about to happen. Unfortunately it was Vundarosa. The question is how long would he go before his next loss. Although it appears it has to be FIVE WIDE for FIVE POINTERS.
"Can you tell us what Live Wheel you were playin plz ?"
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playtech family mates. They broadcast from the same feed, Winner, Eurogrand, William, Casino, etc.
vundarosa
I think you should only play LIVE 5 wide
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 12:44 PM 2011
Looks like my original stipulation will be required for NON UK BOOKMAKER CASINOS
ANYONE PLAYING LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE UK, must play FIVE WIDE. There is another way to look at this If FIVE, FIVE POINTERS are possible SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE will enter the CYCLE at the time one is about to happen. Unfortunately it was Vundarosa. The question is how long would he go before his next loss. Although it appears it has to be FIVE WIDE for FIVE POINTERS.
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John, the amazing thing is that i lost all 6 bets i put on the table, i played nothing else to see how long it would take and so. And I was aiming for 5 units only. Doz and Col. Col took me to 3rd step. I stopped playing, so don't know if it would have bust...
vundarosa
vunderossa you were playing 3 wide matrix i assume ?
Five 5 pointers is crazy on a live wheel! I only get 2 and win on next playing 3wide.
Playing 5 wide live is almost imposible as it don't show and we sitt all night befor first bet :o
Jon
I don't see it bust,playing quads and 5 pointers on dozens..ends +4 maybe wiil be more if more spins..one more thing after win reset(checked on matrix5 the only one i trust)
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 12:48 PM 2011
I think you should only play LIVE 5 wide
Playing 5 wide is wery difficult as they dont come in hours.
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 12:48 PM 2011
I think you should only play LIVE 5 wide
This is the problem Post we all want to win quickly so we make compromises. My confidence in MATRIX VERTICAL 5 was born out of only finding ONE 4 FIVE POINTER in a FIVE WIDE MATRIX. In nearly 20,000 Spins I've recorded.
I still have that confidence in the FIVE. Until people including myself and Twister get hit by A five IN FIVE.
We elected THREE WIDE for faster turnover. But its not passed a 20,000 spin sample. So we know it happens THREE WIDE. But FIVE. don't make me go looking for a dead dog. and three chickens LoL.
5 wide bet against quads not 5 pointers ;)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 01:00 PM 2011
This is the problem Post we all want to win quickly so we make cimpromises. My confidence in MATRIX VERTICAL 5 was born out of only finding ONE 4 FIVE POINTER in a FIVE WIDE MATRIX. In nearly 20,000 Spins I've recorded.
I still have that confidence in the FIVE. Until people including myself and Twister get hit by A five IN FIVE.
We elected THREE WIDE for faster turnover. But its not passed a 20,000 spin sample. So we know it happens THREE WIDE. But FIVE. don't make me go looking for a dead dog. and three chickens LoL.
Do you mean john we sould play only 5 wide and bet on all 4 not to become 5 without trigger on live wheels?
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 01:00 PM 2011
5 wide bet against quads not 5 pointers ;)
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@post, that will work on dozens, but on columns i've seen it bust 4 step progression, so now i play with trigger (waiting for a quad to form before betting) on columns.
vundarosa
on 5 wide i play 3 not becoming 4 and then 4 not becoming 5 if 4 becomes 5 i wait for next 3 to form and bet not becoming 4 if it does bet 4 not becoming 5...if i lose first step of progressin go to second if lose second i stay on second till ahead ..is just my way..
On PaddyPower playing 5x for 5 pointers was a mare !
I had over 600 spins and NOTHING !
3x is fine, so far
no triples twisteruk ? 5 wide is see enough though
yes i play there when i get time twister try 5 wide on colums slingshot gets trigger faster i bet only when get first 5 pointer
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 04, 01:05 PM 2011
Do you mean john we sould play only 5 wide and bet on all 4 not to become 5 without trigger on live wheels?
Yes Jon that was an original RULE if you go back to the first page of this thread. To give the true value I found it would have to be upheld. Twisters frustration at not get a single FIVE POINTER , FIVE WIDE. Made us tweak a compromise. But I think betting against QUADS not becoming FIVE POINTERS 5 WIDE. Is the only way to justify my innitial observation of this methods true value.
so just bet the quads 5 wide ;)
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 01:13 PM 2011
No triples twisteruk ? 5 wide is see enough though
On the 3x I only play 5 pointers mate ;D
Matrix 5x
Piggspeak Casino RNG
155 spins
2 losses
ended + 4 :thumbsup:
Regards,
Mauricio
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 01:11 PM 2011
On PaddyPower playing 5x for 5 pointers was a mare !
I had over 600 spins and NOTHING !
3x is fine, so far
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agree. on paddy 3x works better than 5x. most i got is 2nd step and done. Maybe its the way those gals spin. They seem to be targetting to repeat numbers every two/three spins apart while on Playtech the gals are more into streaking dozens and columns. Its a given that their dealeres will spin 4-6 of the same doz/column with a zero in between JUST BEFORE DEALER CHANGE!
vundarosa
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 01:14 PM 2011
Yes Jon that was an original RULE if you go back to the first page of this thread. To give the true value I found it would have to be upheld. Twisters frustration at not get a single FIVE POINTER , FIVE WIDE. Made us tweak a compromise. But I think betting against QUADS not becoming FIVE POINTERS 5 WIDE. Is the only way to justify my innitial observation of this methods true value.
I thought we all agreed LIVE 5x didnt work, thats how we ended up at 3x :o
I played 3hrs plus with nothing doin 5 pointer wise :o
JL, are you goin back to 5x LIVE ?
FOR ME 5 wide beats all on paddy Power slingshot. Against trips (with trigger) 3 step snipe betting!, Quads (without) 4 step, and will beat 5 pointer on both 3x or 5x :P
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 01:22 PM 2011
I thought we all agreed LIVE 5x didn't work, that's how we ended up at 3x :o
I played 3hrs plus with nothing doin 5 pointer wise :o
JL, are you goin back to 5x LIVE ?
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@twist, i think you do have a point. Dealers signature (training) is well alive. I see eons of difference on how those two casinos perform. The time i bust quads on columns was paddy, which alternates often between columns but repeating often number within close spins. I bust 3x 5 pointer on casino that dealers streak often on cols/doz, so its more difficult for quads of the same doz/col to line up to 5 pointer often enough to bust the 4step prog.
The 3x wide however was too contrived and streaking doz/cols did line up to produce a prog loss on 5 pointers. And on the cols it was also looking like a loss....
So i guess it depends where one is playing... or maybe i'm just babling :-)
vundarosa
hi maestro how many times have you lost with this progression
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 04, 01:33 PM 2011
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@twist, I think you do have a point. Dealers signature (training) is well alive. I see eons of difference on how those two casinos perform. The time I bust quads on columns was paddy, which alternates often between columns but repeating often number within close spins. I bust 3x 5 pointer on casino that dealers streak often on cols/doz, so its more difficult for quads of the same doz/col to line up to 5 pointer often enough to bust the 4step prog.
The 3x wide however was too contrived and streaking doz/cols did line up to produce a prog loss on 5 pointers. And on the cols it was also looking like a loss....
So I guess it depends where one is playing... or maybe i'm just babling :-)
vundarosa
Maybe you shud try the airball ?
I only play at PaddyPower now
Dublinbet is too slow when its busy
Airball is the only thing i trust anyway playing 5 wide at the moment betting quads not becoming 5 pointers :)
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 01:38 PM 2011
Hi maestro how many times have you lost with this progression
i have not lost as far we know strike rate is good so id not care if i lose twice first step i just see it in long turn i will come ahead is not a must that before i log out i must win all steps of progression it takes time yes...but time is in as and we are in time said that fella with funny hair style.. ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 01:22 PM 2011
I thought we all agreed LIVE 5x didn't work, that's how we ended up at 3x :o
I played 3hrs plus with nothing doin 5 pointer wise :o
JL, are you goin back to 5x LIVE ?
I play the first day all night without nothing 5 wide on live wheel.
:(
no quads jon ? 5 wide
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 01:50 PM 2011
No quads jon ? 5 wide
Not the first night i played 5 wide. 5 hours
But i have got after that :D
I personal mean this is a grail indeed for those ho has patient :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 01:42 PM 2011
Maybe you should try the airball ?
I only play at PaddyPower now
Dublinbet is too slow when its busy
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but i do!, that's how i built my BR to now play on live dealer table ;)
vundarosa
I just have to share this... Really funny actually.
So, I said in an earlier post, that I am going to download a EU Multi Wheel, which I did.
So I decided to play a Matrix 7x, betting on triplets not to become quads...
BUT - I took down each number of each wheel, so I filled up 8 numbers at a time. So when you get to a place where you see you have a triplet, just count ahead, so that you can bet beforehand.
First time round - I hit a win like that!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Going to carry on playing it, and see what happens.
PS - the beauty of this, is with the normal bankroll, and normal progression the wins are higher!!!! (I think )
PSS - tested again, still won, BUT - 1 unit = 8 units because there are 8 wheels. The nice part is that you can still win something back even though your bet is incorrect. Has no one tried this before???
7 wide betting with 4 quad trigger works on live wheel.
5 wide betting against 5 pointers works on live wheel.
3 wide betting against 5 pointer works on live wheel.
I have play all these the last weeks and never lost.
A couple play sessions on Ladbrokes raper RNG to and not busted so far with the 7 wide and 5 wide with trigger.
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 04, 02:07 PM 2011
7 wide betting with 4 quad trigger works on live wheel.
5 wide betting against 5 pointers works on live wheel.
3 wide betting against 5 pointer works on live wheel.
I have play all these the last weeks and never lost.
A couple play sessions on Ladbrokes raper RNG to and not busted so far with the 7 wide and 5 wide with trigger.
Nice one Jon :thumbsup:
been checking winner casino where i lost today looked at live roulette, girls are exactly the same as girls at betfair same numbers same building FUNNY
do you play with a trigger and if so what
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 02:38 PM 2011
Been checking winner casino where I lost today looked at live roulette, girls are exactly the same as girls at betfair same numbers same building FUNNY
You lost as well ?
Playin which way mate ?
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 02:38 PM 2011
Been checking winner casino where I lost today looked at live roulette, girls are exactly the same as girls at betfair same numbers same building FUNNY
Yes they use the same provider. All online casino use the same ladbrokes. Unibet. 888. And many more.
spoke this morning joiner29
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 04, 02:41 PM 2011
Do you play with a trigger and if so what
No trigger on 5 wide bet all 4 not to become 5 live.
3 wide use trigger 5pointer. And bet 4 not to become 5 pointers live.
Thats how i play :)
Its weird all this suddently today.
???
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 04, 02:47 PM 2011
No trigger on 5 wide bet all 4 not to become 5 live.
3 wide use trigger 5pointer. And bet 4 not to become 5 pointers live.
that's how I play :)
I dont use a Trigger :o
two 5 pointers is all ive seen :twisted: :xd:
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 04, 02:49 PM 2011
Its weird all this suddently today.
???
We all seem to be playing it different ways!!
What is needed is to find the ultimate safest option - which in my opinion is still to play a matrix 5 and bet against 5 pointers (with or without trigger) on live wheel which I believe was JohnL's original method for this?
A.
my thoughts exactly my brain is mush with all these methods 1 for all is what i say
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 04, 03:01 PM 2011
We all seem to be playing it different ways!!
What is needed is to find the ultimate safest option - which in my opinion is still to play a matrix 5 and bet against 5 pointers (with or without trigger) on live wheel which I believe was JohnL's original method for this?
A.
That is how it started but it was decided to move to a 3x Grid
Everyone I've read from plays it that way, or at least I thought so
I tried 5x at the very start and had over 600 spins with not one 5 pointer :o
Then it was decided 3x Live 5x RNG
Thats how JL plays it
well i just did 300 spins and had 4 five pointers of witch three in a row and won on 4th step just testing no money play luckely as i like to play only 3 steps this were LIVE spins 5 wide
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 03:14 PM 2011
Well I just did 300 spins and had 4 five pointers of witch three in a row and won on 4th step just testing no money play luckely as I like to play only 3 steps this were LIVE spins 5 wide
Which site and wheel was that Post ?
As JL said earlier its amazin the difference btwn different sites !
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 04, 01:21 PM 2011
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agree. on paddy 3x works better than 5x. most I got is 2nd step and done. Maybe its the way those gals spin. They seem to be targetting to repeat numbers every two/three spins apart while on Playtech the gals are more into streaking dozens and columns. Its a given that their dealeres will spin 4-6 of the same doz/column with a zero in between JUST BEFORE DEALER CHANGE!
vundarosa
Yes Vundarosa you may be right. Theyve got Russian women on BETFREDS too. All my 20,000 five wide spins were recorded on BETFRED and Paddypower. There might be something to that.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 03:21 PM 2011
Which site and wheel was that Post ?
As JL said earlier its amazin the difference between different sites !
Yes Twister maybe everyone will have to emmigrate to the Uk and play MV 5 on PADDYPOWER AND BETFREDS until theyre rich lol.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 03:39 PM 2011
Yes Twister maybe everyone will have to emmigrate to the Uk and play MV 5 on PADDYPOWER AND BETFREDS until theyre rich LoL.
Does Betfred use the same feed from Latvia as PP do ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 02:57 PM 2011
I don't use a Trigger :o
two 5 pointers is all I've seen :twisted: :xd:
Sorry to confuse you. I dont use trigger live only RNG 5 wide ;D
2 five pointer here to is all i have seen. Allways won on 3 bet ;D
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 04, 03:44 PM 2011
Sorry to confuse you. I don't use trigger live only RNG 5 wide ;D
So we do play it the same way then !
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 03:41 PM 2011
Does Betfred use the same feed from Latvia as PP do ?
No Twister PADDYPOWER AND BLUESQUARE use the same feed. AND BETFREDS AND WILLIAM HILL USE THE SAME FEED. All Russian hunies but from different parts. So you could have FOUR ACCOUNTS LOL.
i am totally confused by it all please can someone sort the way we play out
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 03:39 PM 2011
Yes Twister maybe everyone will have to emmigrate to the Uk and play MV 5 on PADDYPOWER AND BETFREDS until theyre rich LoL.
It really is totally AMAZING! What a fascinating journey we are having. MV 5 maybe now surpasses MV QUAD?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 04, 03:50 PM 2011
It really is totally AMAZING! What a fascinating journey we are having. MV 5 maybe now surpasses MV QUAD?
A.
It does Atlantis, the problem we have is Twister and I can get away at present playing it THREE WIDE. AT Paddypower and Betfreds. Others playing outside of those Uk bookmakers appear to need the safer FIVE WIDE MATRIX. Or Zig Zag suggested FOUR WIDE.
He may have the perfect compromise there.
well it were live spins from spielbank i tested and i tested 5 wide and saw 3 five pointers in a row my first testing with 5 wide 300 spins
I dont get this.
People say they have lost playing Matrix 5 WIDE and they ask how to play it later ???
NO ONE SOULD PLAY IF THEY ARE NOT 100% ON THE RULES AND THE DIFFERENT WIDE.
:) :) :)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 04, 03:57 PM 2011
It does Atlantis, the problem we have is Twister and I can get away at present playing it THREE WIDE. AT Paddypower and Betfreds. Others playing outside of those Uk bookmakers appear to need the safer FIVE WIDE MATRIX. Or Zig Zag suggested FOUR WIDE.
He may have the perfect compromise there.
John.
I play on Ladbrokes and Unibet and havent lost 3wide or 5 wide or even with 7wide.
Jon
I have seen 3 five pointers in a row 3 wide and 5 wide in only 1000 spins i tested so LIVE table numbers ;)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 04, 03:58 PM 2011
I don't get this.
People say they have lost playing Matrix 5 WIDE and they ask how to play it later ???
NO ONE SOULD PLAY IF THEY ARE NOT 100% ON THE RULES AND THE DIFFERENT WIDE.
:) :) :)
Jon if your betting on Paddypower or Betfreds. THREE WIDE IS WORKING. It live casinos outside of these sites that appear more difficult FOUR WIDE MAY BE THE COMPROSMISE.
Something I want to make clear A RULE I've always adhered to ever since I started playing ROULETTE. I NEVER SEEK MORE THAN *5* CONSECUTIVE WINS from a single session.
I believe this is part of my success. As there is no question I could be avoiding potential losses. THINK ABOUT THIS VERY CAREFULLY.
Jon ive just remembered LADBROKES IS THE SAME AS PADDYPOWER.
Well just so we are clear I play 3x LIVE at PaddyPower
I play Dozens and Columns NOT to become 5 pointers
The most ive ever seen is two 5 pointers, and that was only ONCE !
JL, do you use a Trigger LIVE 3x ?
i have to say usally when i double my bank and just play all the spins it doesnt takes any longer to loose and then there it is maybe you could be right with trying to avoid losses but a waterproof methode would be nice though
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 04:08 PM 2011
Well just so we are clear I play 3x LIVE at PaddyPower
I play Dozens and Columns NOT to become 5 pointers
The most I've ever seen is two 5 pointers, and that was only ONCE !
JL, do you use a Trigger LIVE 3x ?
No Twister im playing the same as you. This is the situation, PADDYPOWER, LADBROKES AND BLUESQUARE USE THE SAME LATVIAN FEED.
And BETFREDS AND WILLIAM HILL USE THE SAME RUSSIAN FEED.
all the testing i did were LIVE spins and in the 1000 spins i saw three 5 pointers in the 5 wide and 3 wide as well
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 04, 04:08 PM 2011
Well just so we are clear I play 3x LIVE at PaddyPower
I play Dozens and Columns NOT to become 5 pointers
The most I've ever seen is two 5 pointers, and that was only ONCE !
JL, do you use a Trigger LIVE 3x ?
I only play Dozens :)
Quote from: Post on Apr 04, 04:19 PM 2011
All the testing I did were LIVE spins and in the 1000 spins I saw three 5 pointers in the 5 wide and 3 wide as well
Post I would never play 1000 spins. How many QUADS were in that 1000 spins?
thats was just testing no i wouldnt play 1000 spins in a row :D
7 quads 3 five pointers in 600 spins ;) 3 wide
5 wide results 300 spins 2 quads 4 five pointers
This is looking very good JL...but I have a question that maybe you and anyone else who has been tracking for this system can help out with.
How many times have you seen a dozen go without repeating in a continuous number of spins.
ex:
1
2
3
2
3
2
1
2
3
2
2 .. this would be 10 times without a dozen repeating
I am interested in knowing what the maximum number of spins between dozens repeating that you have seen in your 20k+ spins. It would help me out a lot to know your answer :thumbsup:
Quote from: Big EZ on Apr 04, 06:17 PM 2011
This is looking very good JL...but I have a question that maybe you and anyone else who has been tracking for this system can help out with.
How many times have you seen a dozen go without repeating in a continuous number of spins.
ex:
1
2
3
2
3
2
1
2
3
2
2 .. this would be 10 times without a dozen repeating
I am interested in knowing what the maximum number of spins between dozens repeating that you have seen in your 20k+ spins. It would help me out a lot to know your answer :thumbsup:
Hi.
I think i can remember Twister told he has seen a dozen miss over 30 spins.
Is that right Twister ? :)
I've tested another 7000+ spins rng and got 1 loss on dozens (5x wide, against 5 pointers, 4 step prog. with trigger, reset every win). It wouldn't survive even with 6 step progression!
Quote from: marivo on Apr 04, 08:46 PM 2011
I've tested another 7000+ spins rng and got 1 loss on dozens (5x wide, against 5 pointers with trigger). It wouldn't survive even with 6 step progression!
It doesnt mean anything. Only live play and real time play. No one play 7000 spins togheter.
Game change if skip spins.
:)
was playing at paddy power last night been trown out of the game had my bets on and won but then pop up appeared saying there is eror whatever, but was not that kind of message your bets were not accepted,then i said fuck it and wait for my money to return but they did not...contact them they said will resolve the matter..i log off and log in again slingshot roulettte was working but i was not able to bet and my screen with drawn numbers was frozen..maybe they do not like me or the way of play 8)
Quote from: Big EZ on Apr 04, 06:17 PM 2011
This is looking very good JL...but I have a question that maybe you and anyone else who has been tracking for this system can help out with.
How many times have you seen a dozen go without repeating in a continuous number of spins.
ex:
1
2
3
2
3
2
1
2
3
2
2 .. this would be 10 times without a dozen repeating
I am interested in knowing what the maximum number of spins between dozens repeating that you have seen in your 20k+ spins. It would help me out a lot to know your answer :thumbsup:
Hi Big EZ, the anwser is 19 vertically. and 21 horizontally.
Quote from: marivo on Apr 04, 08:46 PM 2011
I've tested another 7000+ spins rng and got 1 loss on dozens (5x wide, against 5 pointers, 4 step prog. with trigger, reset every win). It wouldn't survive even with 6 step progression!
7000 plus on an RNG, thats actually a good result Marivo.
Live I have 20,000 spins with 4 five pointers the worst result. RNG isnt true random Marivo, as TWISTER says you dont know if you lost fair an square or a manmade program was reading you.
Live its your METHOD VS RANDOM. As it SHOULD BE. To play RNGS sessions must be short. I havent lost FIVE WIDE on an RNG yet. But my sessions never go beyond 200 spins.
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 09:31 PM 2011
Was playing at paddy power last night been trown out of the game had my bets on and Owon but then pop up appeared saying there is eror whatever, but was not that kind of message your bets were not accepted,then I said f*** it and wait for my money to return but they did not...contact them they said will resolve the matter..i log off and log in again slingshot roulettte was working but I was not able to bet and my screen with drawn numbers was frozen..maybe they do not like me or the way of play 8)
Maestro how long do you play for and what kind of money?
I had this problem on PP once. If you win day in day out you will come under the spotlight. The way to do it is keep it short and infrequent. have 3 or 4 acounts and keep switching.
Other than that tbe casino spies are worried already, and they know PP is one of the sites we use. So bottom line play for no more than five wins a session. And you will stay under the radar.
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 09:31 PM 2011
Was playing at paddy power last night been trown out of the game had my bets on and won but then pop up appeared saying there is eror whatever, but was not that kind of message your bets were not accepted,then I said f*** it and wait for my money to return but they did not...contact them they said will resolve the matter..i log off and log in again slingshot roulettte was working but I was not able to bet and my screen with drawn numbers was frozen..maybe they do not like me or the way of play 8)
It does happen sometimes with PP
Ive found it isnt them but us, sometimes
What happens is if you have a high Ping or Packet loss then it does happen
Google speed check and check ure Mbs and Ping ALSO check ure Ping and packet loss
Use the following sites to determine your line quality
link:://:.speedtest.net/ (link:://:.speedtest.net/)
link:://pingtest.net/ (link:://pingtest.net/)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 04, 06:28 PM 2011
Hi.
I think I can remember Twister told he has seen a dozen miss over 30 spins.
Is that right Twister ? :)
Yes indeed and on a Live wheel too :o
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 05, 12:52 AM 2011
To play RNGS sessions must be short. I haven't lost FIVE WIDE on an RNG yet. But my sessions never go beyond 200 spins.
But many times you dont get even 1 bet opportunity in 200 spins.
Even on rng.
Playing 5 wide against 5 pointers with a trigger.
Quote from: marivo on Apr 05, 03:49 AM 2011
But many times you don't get even 1 bet opportunity in 200 spins.
Even on rng.
Playing 5 wide against 5 pointers with a trigger.
I get most before 200 spins on Ladbrokes RNG but sometimes more than 200 spins. :)
Quote from: maestro on Apr 04, 09:31 PM 2011
Was playing at paddy power last night been trown out of the game had my bets on and won but then pop up appeared saying there is eror whatever, but was not that kind of message your bets were not accepted,then I said f*** it and wait for my money to return but they did not...contact them they said will resolve the matter..i log off and log in again slingshot roulettte was working but I was not able to bet and my screen with drawn numbers was frozen..maybe they do not like me or the way of play 8)
I've had a few error messages on both losing and winning bets using only 10 or 20p chips so don't worry, nothing sinister going on. Sometimes my balance dosent usualy get updated until 1 spin after. Hope you got your money back
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 05, 05:00 AM 2011
I've had a few error messages on both losing and winning bets using only 10 or 20p chips so don't worry, nothing sinister going on. Sometimes my balance dosent usualy get updated until 1 spin after. Hope you got your money back
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yes their airball system is full of glitches. also sometimes the history bar stops updating the numbers and one can make a mess of tracking if not paying attention. and you never know when its going to accept your bets or not. that's why i play half my section target profit on airball and the other half on live dealer.
vundarosa
Does all use the scorboard numbers when you start a game live.
The 20 last numbers on the scorboard or do you start writing from your first spin?
Jon :)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 05, 02:48 AM 2011
Yes indeed and on a Live wheel too :o
no twister my computer and line itself are gooood was not that,any way i had my bet on 0.10p on zero 0.50p on second dozen and 0.50p on third dozen,number hit 13,woke up today and reading my mails they said they credited my account with 1 pound as it should be.so my question is am i still sleeping or they try to fuck about.. :yawn:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 05, 05:00 AM 2011
I've had a few error messages on both losing and winning bets using only 10 or 20p chips so don't worry, nothing sinister going on. Sometimes my balance dosent usualy get updated until 1 spin after. Hope you got your money back
Yeah thats very normal for them
It always updates a spin or 2 later
If you cant wait then just go to the main page and click refresh, it shows ure new balance straight away ;D
Quote from: marivo on Apr 05, 03:49 AM 2011
But many times you don't get even 1 bet opportunity in 200 spins.
Even on rng.
Playing 5 wide against 5 pointers with a trigger.
No trigger Marivo straight in againts QUADS going to 5.
OK, just had a bit of a daydream. Some people are having issues betting, some are having success betting, BUT the issue is not betting, it's that opportunities are scarce for some to be able to put down bets.
So - we're all Matrix 3x 5x 7x all vertical... we don't play horizontal ........ BUT what's wrong playing in crosses ??? ??? Should give you more betting chances and just as "random" as the vertical
12321
21311
32122
2311
So where the RED 1 is you would have betted against that, and your bet would have been 2 and 3.
Your opinions?
Regards
Mauricio
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 05, 10:14 AM 2011
OK, just had a bit of a daydream. Some people are having issues betting, some are having success betting, BUT the issue is not betting, it's that opportunities are scarce for some to be able to put down bets.
So - we're all Matrix 3x 5x 7x all vertical... we don't play horizontal ........ BUT what's wrong playing in crosses ??? ??? Should give you more betting chances and just as "random" as the vertical
12321
21311
32122
2311
So where the RED 1 is you would have betted against that, and your bet would have been 2 and 3.
Your opinions?
Regards
Mauricio
I would go 5 timer not quad
so on the fourth line fourth digit if it was a quad then bet the fifth line fifth digit NOT to be the same
Opinions !?!?
Hehe, my bad, I meant to illustate quad not going 5er....
Thanks Twister! :thumbsup:
BUT for the guys who aren't getting their quads, why not drop a number ?
things are just gonna get even more complicated, i hope JLs new system doesnot get out of hand like this one is getting
Looking at a 5 line matrix all day you will see many patterns and its very tempting to bet them, but ive seen what you would think are impossible patterns to form DO form all the time
Joiner, this is one of the easiest systems I've seen on my "internet travels"
There's a bit of tracking, and betting and a bit of progression. Simple.
See it as, buying a basic car, not everyone can drive that well, so prefer it stock,BUT I would like a mod added, to make it drift better? Does that make the original product difficult to drive?
Nope :P So the mods, I see, would be for people who want to try it, otherwise the Matrix Vertical 5 is perfect as it is!
Regards
Mauricio
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 05, 10:36 AM 2011
Things are just gonna get even more complicated, I hope JLs new system doesnot get out of hand like this one is getting
How is it out of hand ?
We play Quads not to become 5 pointers on a 3x Grid Live, 5x Grid RNG. Simple.
sorry i did not mean any harm just that i find some of it complicated when things seem to change day today once again sorry
with triggers without triggers everybody plays it different
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 05, 10:45 AM 2011
Sorry I did not mean any harm just that I find some of it complicated when things seem to change day today once again sorry
The Core is the same my friend, fret not. All that was post was a mild variation :thumbsup:
As for myself and JL we play without Triggers
Its a personal thing if you want the "extra protection" of a Trigger :)
thanks
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 05, 10:28 AM 2011
I would go 5 timer not quad
so on the fourth line fourth digit if it was a quad then bet the fifth line fifth digit NOT to be the same
Opinions !?!?
The MATRIX is a playground of winning discovery. Personaly since I've started playing DOZENS and COLUMNS. I've got all the action I need. The only thing I'm keen to take a look at is ATLANTIS'S MOVEMENTS CONCEPT.
To me that is as groundbreaking as the vertical concept.
ONCE PATTERN BREAKER is OUT. I will give it my full attention.
I'm now up to my 120th game since combining Dozens and Columns the numbers.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED LIVE 120
TOTAL GAMES WON 120
BALANCE 480 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 100%
STEP 1 WINS 102
STEP 2 WINS 14
STEP 3 WINS 4 (2 because of ZERO)
Still amazed how soid this is. Now playing both 2/1 chances means nearly all my sessions end inside 250 spins and thats VERY GOOD...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 05, 11:08 AM 2011
The MATRIX is a playground of winning discovery. Personaly since I've started playing DOZENS and COLUMNS. I've got all the action I need. The only thing I'm keen to take a look at is ATLANTIS'S MOVEMENTS CONCEPT.
To me that is as groundbreaking as the vertical concept.
ONCE PATTERN BREAKER is OUT. I will give it my full attention.
I'm now up to my 120th game since combining Dozens and Columns the numbers.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED LIVE 120
TOTAL GAMES WON 120
BALANCE 480 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 100%
STEP 1 WINS 102
STEP 2 WINS 14
STEP 3 WINS 4 (2 because of ZERO)
Still amazed how soid this is. Now playing both 2/1 chances means nearly all my sessions end inside 250 spins and that's VERY GOOD...
JL, would you play a 4th Step or take the loss at a 3 ?
the rusults were live ? and what did you play 5 wide 3 wide ? john legend ?
O
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 05, 11:21 AM 2011
JL, would you play a 4th Step or take the loss at a 3 ?
Ill take the loss Twister, and double stakes for the next 10 games to pull most of it back. Heres what funny Twister COLUMNS have shown me three FIVE QUADS ALREADY LIVE.
But only one THREE FIVE POINTER. So the combination of DOZENS COLUMNS means some of my sessions end with FIVE STRAIGHT wins and NO FIVE POINTERS. ;D ;D
what are the rusults from live 5 wide or 3 wide
i saw three 5 pointers on both
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 05, 11:32 AM 2011
OIll take the loss Twister, and double stakes for the next 10 games to pull most of it back. Heres what funny Twister COLUMNS have shown me three FIVE QUADS ALREADY LIVE.
But only one THREE FIVE POINTER. So the combination mean some of my session end with FIVE STRAIGHT wins and NO FIVE POINTERS. ;D ;D
What do you mean three FIVE QUADS mate ?
O
Quote from: Post on Apr 05, 11:22 AM 2011
The rusults were live ? and what did you play 5 wide 3 wide ? john legend ?
Yes Post live and THREE WIDE. At the same time im experimenting with a FOUR WIDE GRID. As Zig Zag suggested, it might be the perfect compromise. The wait is longer but it looks EINSTEIN PROOF.Only had a single FIVE POINTER in 500 spins but 13 QUADS. You just cant see Five pointers happening very often FOUR WIDE. But QUADS YES. ;D ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 05, 11:37 AM 2011
What do you mean three FIVE QUADS mate ?
I mean are old enemy in MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD. Five consecutive QUADS. Columns three wide have delivered three already. Dozens have shown me one FIVE QUAD.
john legend was just thinking about that the 5 quads seems so solid i still couldnt believe it and i tested it over lots of spins :)
Quote from: Post on Apr 05, 12:01 PM 2011
John legend was just thinking about that the 5 quads seems so solid I still couldnt believe it and I tested it over lots of spins :)
Post FIVE WIDE and SEVEN WIDE, they still are. THREE WIDE they arent safe. And columns make them a bit easier.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 05, 11:49 AM 2011
I mean are old enemy in MATRIX VERTICAL QUAD. Five consecutive QUADS. Columns three wide have delivered three already. Dozens have shown me one FIVE QUAD.
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good to know! so maybe then when playing 3 wide the best is to bet all the way to 2nd step max and if lost, take the loss. Only 4 wins at step 3 (and two due to zero) don't seem to justify the risk of putting a 3rd step on the table. by the way, John did you record how many 4th step wins?!
vundarosa
Only my personal opinion and testing so far give me the results
For some reason, I have a lot of success on 5x RNG. The 7x for makes my stomach turn a bit, as I have gone to step 3 about 4 times now in my testing. Even though taking a win, I don't like it that much.
So for now, I'm sticking to 5x!!!!!!!!
Another way to record MATRIX VERTICAL 5 (3,4 or 7) is to record the results vertically
e.g.:
1
3
2
1
3
then record the next 5 results vertically alongside e.g.:
1 1
3 2
2 2
1 3
3 1
Your trigger would be when you get 4 in a row HORIZONTALLY e.g.:
1 1 3 2
3 2 3 1
2 2 2 2--trigger quad here. (bet against doz 2)
1 3 2 1
3 1 2 3
Or you could record a line of 5 vertically DOWN then record the next line alongside but going vertically UP - alternating UP/DOWN through a horizontal matrix - that might really fool random!
:)
Good Luck,
A
Great work you people much more experience than me
its hard to work out if people are talking about rng or live at times
i've not seen more than 2 5 pointers in a row live, I have little time
keep up the good work I love challenges
Can anyone tell me what progression is or what posting this is one. . .
Thanks ;D
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 05, 12:27 PM 2011
Another way to record MATRIX VERTICAL 5 (3,4 or 7) is to record the results vertically
e.g.:
1
3
2
1
3
then record the next 5 results vertically alongside e.g.:
1 1
3 2
2 2
1 3
3 1
Your trigger would be when you get 4 in a row HORIZONTALLY e.g.:
1 1 3 2
3 2 3 1
2 2 2 2--trigger quad here. (bet against doz 2)
1 3 2 1
3 1 2 3
Or you could record a line of 5 vertically DOWN then record the next line alongside but going vertically UP - alternating UP/DOWN through a horizontal matrix - that might really fool random!
:)
Good Luck,
A
Love it!! :xd: :wink: :thumbsup:
anyone testing atlantis methode i am on it now ;)
Thats one of the Methods I use to play Baccarat ;D
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 05, 12:27 PM 2011
Another way to record MATRIX VERTICAL 5 (3,4 or 7) is to record the results vertically
e.g.:
1
3
2
1
3
then record the next 5 results vertically alongside e.g.:
1 1
3 2
2 2
1 3
3 1
Your trigger would be when you get 4 in a row HORIZONTALLY e.g.:
1 1 3 2
3 2 3 1
2 2 2 2--trigger quad here. (bet against doz 2)
1 3 2 1
3 1 2 3
Or you could record a line of 5 vertically DOWN then record the next line alongside but going vertically UP - alternating UP/DOWN through a horizontal matrix - that might really fool random!
:)
Good Luck,
A
Some nice ideas Atlantis, there are many ways to give random test it fails to often, once you throw it into a matrix. THE POSSIBILITIES stare you in the face.
Friday will be the PATTERN BREAKERS debut, and another concept to turn a small stake into a fortune if you follow the breaker.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 05, 12:09 PM 2011
Post FIVE WIDE and SEVEN WIDE, they still are. THREE WIDE they arent safe. And columns make them a bit easier.
So John you mean we sould play the 5 wide and 7 wide to be most safe ? And not 3 wide.
Jon :)
I don't want to be negative but i do think trying to beat RNG is a bit of a waste of time because any system that can beat it would be patched the next day..
Obviously i think it good you are doing it , but I just think long term its a bit of a waste of your good time
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 05, 03:24 PM 2011
I don't want to be negative but I do think trying to beat RNG is a bit of a waste of time because any system that can beat it would be patched the next day..
Obviously I think it good you are doing it , but I just think long term its a bit of a waste of your good time
Live is best but this wins on rng ladbrokes 5 wide!
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 05, 03:20 PM 2011
So John you mean we sould play the 5 wide and 7 wide to be most safe ? And not 3 wide.
Jon :)
I was referring to QUADS Jon. You will get five QUADS THREE WIDE. Alot easier than you will FIVE WIDE or SEVEN WIDE.
FIVE POINTERS is where we reach randoms virtual limit. Im amazed how five pointers are holding random. 130 games live now. And TWO FIVE POINTERS is all ive seen.
Even though COLUMNS are a little more unstable, even they cant break loose. And they have a habit of delivering 2 or 3 QUADS in a row. Which is exactly what I want. ;D ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 05, 03:31 PM 2011
I was referring to QUADS Jon. You will get five QUADS THREE WIDE. a lot easier than you will FIVE WIDE or SEVEN WIDE.
FIVE POINTERS is where we reach randoms virtual limit. I'm amazed how five pointers are holding random. 130 games live now. And TWO FIVE POINTERS is all I've seen.
Even though COLUMNS are a little more unstable, even they can't break lose. And they have a habit of delivering 2 or 3 QUADS in a row. Which is exactly what I want. ;D ;D
I get it now. Sorry i misunderstand ;D
Still 3x Random cant cope :wink:
Played most of the day, 100% Wins
Highest level 2 :twisted: :xd:
Played dozens and columns :thumbsup: :xd: :lol: :twisted: :lol: :xd:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 05, 03:57 PM 2011
Still 3x Random can't cope :wink:
Played most of the day, 100% Wins
Highest level 2 :twisted: :xd:
Played dozens and columns :thumbsup: :xd: :LoL: :twisted: :LoL: :xd:
3 wide you mean ? ;D
Sorry my bad englaise :D
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 05, 04:10 PM 2011
3 wide you mean ? ;D
Sorry my bad englaise :D
Yes mate 3x means 3 wide ;D
Hi John Atlantis and others
i am just new in this forum
and i just see this very interesting topic
can you please post your exact way of play
and a short exemple
as i really want to test this matrix.
(you can copy and paste of course if the explanationation
are somewhere else in the forum)
sorry for my english i am french
hello from the south of France Nice
I have to add something to this method, you can use it or not....
We all know sometimes have to wait ages until appear the triggers,
so why don t make some *4 street dozens* and track all
together at the same time with the dozens and columns.
Maybe a software is needed for that.
We will bet against one 4streets group, so bet the other two 4 streets groups,
bet on 8 streets(make your own progression).
Download the Excel file ,you will need it.
Of course will play/stay in one Matrix until Win( or three Matrixs with 3 bankrolls),
then jump in other Matrix (in the matrix where have the trigger).
More Matrix s = less time to wait for triggers.
4 street dozens/groups....take how much you can track
Street groups ( 12 numbers/ 4 streets)
Group 1
A. 4,5,6/22,23,24/28,29,30/34,35,36
B. 1,2,3/10,11,12/16,17,18/25,26,27
C. 7,8,9/13,14,15/19,20,21/31,32,33
Group 2
A. 1,2,3/13,14,15/19,20,21/25,26,27
B. 4,5,6/16,17,18/28,29,30/34,35,36
C. 7,8,9/10,11,12/22,23,24/31,32,33
Group 3
A. 7,8,9/16,17,18/22,23,24/31,32,33
B. 1,2,3/19,20,21/25,26,27/28,29,30
C. 4,5,6/10,11,12/13,14,15/34,35,36
Group 4
A. 10,11,12/19,20,21/28,29,30/34,35,36
B. 7,8,9/13,14,15/22,23,24/31,32,33
C. 1,2,3/4,5,6/16,17,18/25,26,27
Group 5
A. 1,2,3/7,8,9/13,14,15/28,29,30
B. 4,5,6/19,20,21/25,26,27/31,32,33
C. 10,11,12/16,17,18/22,23,24/34,35,36
If you track on paper will look like this
(use your own matrix tipe 3x, or 5x, or 7x)
Dozens
12231
21321
11321 etc...
Columns
23112
11232
23321 etc...
Group 1
ABBCB
CCCAB
ABCAA etc...
Group 2
CCABC
AABCA
ABBCA etc...
Group 3, 4 , and 5 if you can track....
cheers
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 05, 04:10 PM 2011
3 wide you mean ? ;D
Sorry my bad englaise :D
Been playing the DOZENS and COLUMNS all day now up to 150 games played. And have simultaneously been testing FOUR WIDE, it looks invincible. TWO five pointers is THE COMMON result live for MV5 it runs outta gas after that and settles for QUADS ;D ;D. Thanks to Zig Zag for putting time into columns tbey make this method far more playable.
John
if you have time between your testing
please answer to my mail
i am just new in this forum
and I just see this very interesting topic
can you please post your exact way of play
and a short exemple
as I really want to test this matrix.
i really appreciate
(you can copy and paste of course if the explanationation
are somewhere else in the forum)
sorry for my English I am french
hello from the south of France Nice
Hey john we stay at 3 wide for dozens and 4 wide for columns or both 4 wide?
On a side bet. I'm still undefeated in 5 days using just a 3 step with trigger SNIPE BETTING on a 5 wide against TRIPS!!! :wink: I will inform you all when i lose my first 3 step BUT.......
In last 2 days i seen the counms lose TWICE against trips after trigger so don't even try it!!!
I cover the zero on step 2 and 3 which has saved me once or twice and made nice little profit out of :D
This is NOT to be played on RNG!!!!
Will keep you posted :thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 06, 08:56 AM 2011
Been playing the DOZENS and COLUMNS all day now up to 150 games played. And have simultaneously been testing FOUR WIDE, it looks invincible. TWO five pointers is THE COMMON result live for MV5 it runs outta gas after that and settles for QUADS ;D ;D. Thanks to Zig Zag for putting time into columns tbey make this method far more playable.
JL, which has the best results 3x or 4x ?
Quote from: roulettefan on Apr 06, 09:14 AM 2011
John
if you have time between your testing
please answer to my mail
i am just new in this forum
and I just see this very interesting topic
can you please post your exact way of play
and a short exemple
as I really want to test this matrix.
i really appreciate
(you can copy and paste of course if the explanationation
are somewhere else in the forum)
sorry for my English I am french
hello from the south of France Nice
Hi there,
I asked questions, but found with a little research you'll be just fine... follow this link. Pick the second one from the top.
link:://:.lmgtfy.com/?q=roulette+matrix+vertical (link:://:.lmgtfy.com/?q=roulette+matrix+vertical)
Regards,
Mauricio
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 06, 09:16 AM 2011
Hey john we stay at 3 wide for dozens and 4 wide for columns or both 4 wide?
On a side bet. I'm still undefeated in 5 days using just a 3 step with trigger SNIPE BETTING on a 5 wide against TRIPS!!! :wink: I will inform you all when I lose my first 3 step BUT.......
In last 2 days I seen the counms lose TWICE against trips after trigger so don't even try it!!!
I cover the zero on step 2 and 3 which has saved me once or twice and made nice little profit out of :D
This is NOT to be played on RNG!!!!
Will keep you posted :thumbsup:
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@zigzag, just to let you know, i've lost the all progression the way you're playing now(?). Playing with trigger (a treble formed) and betting the next double will not become a treble 1-1, 3-3,9-9,27-27 busted on dozens.
At Paddypower airball i also lost the all progression after trigger 1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27,81-81 on columns.
This was a 5 wide matrix.
vundarosa
Its very difficult to figure where to go on this page with the most updated version of this. I would appreciate and be thankful if someone could copy and post the most updated version or direct what page and post ,,,, thank you
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 06, 09:21 AM 2011
JL, which has the best results 3x or 4x ?e
FOUR WIDE LOOKS ULTRA SAFE Twister. a bit slower but a three step progression will last longer. It produces trips and quads, but five pointers look lonely. ;D ;D
HI Vundarosa. Yes its no way a holly grail. I use just a 3 step with zero coverd using 20p chips. If i lose any 3 step progression COULD transfer to live wheel and recover with ÂÃ,£1 chips. I only need 4 wins to recover BUT.......
This is just a side bet for me with small chips while waiting for the big prize of the 5 pointers, so i'm just playing until it bust and probably won't use the 4 win recovery option as maybe too risky for me.
4 wide looks great John. Looks unbeatable live and even against columns :thumbsup:
Quote from: roulettefan on Apr 06, 09:14 AM 2011
John
if you have time between your testing
please answer to my mail
i am just new in this forum
and I just see this very interesting topic
can you please post your exact way of play
and a short exemple
as I really want to test this matrix.
i really appreciate
(you can copy and paste of course if the explanationation
are somewhere else in the forum)
sorry for my English I am french
hello from the south of France Nice
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hello roulettefan,
bienvenue(?) to the forum.
see attached a quick explanation.
vundarsa
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 06, 09:55 AM 2011
FOUR WIDE LOOKS ULTRA SAFE Twister. a bit slower but a three step progression will last longer. It produces trips and quads, but five pointers look lonely. ;D ;D
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so the way to go is to bet against quads when playing 4 wide, no?!
vundarosa
thank god im not the only one who has lost
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 06, 09:53 AM 2011
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@zigzag, just to let you know, i've lost the all progression the way you're playing now(?). Playing with trigger (a treble formed) and betting the next double will not become a treble 1-1, 3-3,9-9,27-27 busted on dozens.
At Paddypower airball I also lost the all progression after trigger 1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27,81-81 on columns.
This was a 5 wide matrix.
vundarosa
So you saw SIX 5 Pointers in a row ?
hi vunderasa where can the tracker be found
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 06, 09:55 AM 2011
FOUR WIDE LOOKS ULTRA SAFE Twister. a bit slower but a three step progression will last longer. It produces trips and quads, but five pointers look lonely. ;D ;D
Ok mate :)
So are you now not playin 3x ?
Just 4x, yes ? Both dozens and columns ?
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 06, 10:21 AM 2011
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so the way to go is to bet against quads when playing 4 wide, no?!
vundarosa
No Vundarosa, bet against FIVE POINTERS. You will get QUADS. But five pointers are sparse. it took me 214 spins to get a FIVE POINTER, in that timeframe there were 4 QUADS. Especially good at forming them are columns.
JohnLegend would you recommend playing columns with this system, even after previous tests?
JohnLegend,
It seems there is a lot of confusion, + these losses the guys are getting is "damaging" to the stats.
I think you should do a nice little write up, with screenshots ( Thomas Grant has this gift to explain so nicely in his posts :xd: ) post it in the full systems section, and lock it. Should you feel there somethign to be changed, you change it and done.
This is not for me, but for the hundreds out there not following...
Regards,
Mauricio
i will second that
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 06, 10:47 AM 2011
JohnLegend,
It seems there is a lot of confusion, + these losses the guys are getting is "damaging" to the stats.
I think you should do a nice little write up, with screenshots ( Thomas Grant has this gift to explain so nicely in his posts :xd: ) post it in the full systems section, and lock it. Should you feel there somethign to be changed, you change it and done.
This is not for me, but for the hundreds out there not following...
Regards,
Mauricio
This is what I know, the people who fully understand the mechanics of the method playing it on UK based bookmakers are having similar results to myself. As of this moment NO RNGS, we cant rely on them.
If you ALL go back to page one and read it OVER AND OVER, its all there.
In its purest form we are playing AGAINST FIVE POINTERS on a FIVE WIDE MATRIX. I have 20,000 spins that tell me this is a good idea, worst result in there FOUR CONSECUTIVE FIVE POINTERS.
Now where the MIX UP occurred is TWISTER found out to his frustration FIVE POINTERS FIVE WIDE. At Paddypower JUST TAKE FOREVER.
So we compromised and started playing THREE WIDE. Now obviously the method isnt as invincible at THREE WIDE. And there will always be someone somewhere who catches a loss.
After testing I believe the best width will be a four wide grid for both the DOZENS AND COLUMNS. I also cant vouch for the honesty of certain live casinos. TWISTER, ZIG ZAG and myself are playing the same uk based bookies and getting similar results.
So to summarize NO RNGS, and ideally FOUR WIDE against FIVE POINTERS is the ideal.
I have a 153 games THREE WIDE and not even a single HATRICK of five pointers. I dont know if its because of where were playing. But at these sites TRUE RANDOM isnt giving us any problems.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 06, 11:18 AM 2011
This is what I know, the people who fully understand the mechanics of the method playing it on UK based bookmakers are having similar results to myself. As of this moment NO RNGS, we can't rely on them.
If you ALL go back to page one and read it OVER AND OVER, its all there.
In its purest form we are playing AGAINST FIVE POINTERS on a FIVE WIDE MATRIX. I have 20,000 spins that tell me this is a good idea, worst result in there FOUR CONSECUTIVE FIVE POINTERS.
Now where the MIX UP occurred is TWISTER found out to his frustration FIVE POINTERS FIVE WIDE. At Paddypower JUST TAKE FOREVER.
So we compromised and started playing THREE WIDE. Now obviously the method isnt as invincible at THREE WIDE. And there will always be someone somewhere who catches a loss.
After testing I believe the best width will be a four wide grid for both the DOZENS AND COLUMNS. I also can't vouch for the honesty of certain live casinos. TWISTER, ZIG ZAG and myself are playing the same uk based bookies and getting similar results.
So to summarize NO RNGS, and ideally FOUR WIDE against FIVE POINTERS is the ideal.
I have a 153 games THREE WIDE and not even a single HATRICK of five pointers. I don't know if its because of where were playing. But at these sites TRUE RANDOM isnt giving us any problems.
Good and clear John :)
RNG isnt roulette even the 5 wide and 7 wide i have played 5 session a day on RNG Ladbrokes and still no bust.
3 wide 5 wide 7 wide on live 5-sessions a day and still now bust.
I only play dozen.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 06, 11:18 AM 2011
So to summarize NO RNGS, and ideally FOUR WIDE against FIVE POINTERS is the ideal.
Thanks for up to date definition of how to play. So there we have it! Now only remains - do you advise with trigger or without?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 06, 11:32 AM 2011
Thanks for up to date definition of how to play. So there we have it! Now only remains - do you advise with trigger or without?
A.
Ive benn playing without Atlantis. using A THREE STEP PROGRESSION. One youve won a few banks you can take a few more risks. Striking the balance between turnover and security is always a challenge. If you played it FIVE WIDE with two triggers for example youd probably never lost but how many bets would you get?
Good JohnL,
OK. So no trigger. Fine with me. 3 step prog 1-1, 3-3, 9-9. (26u)
Sounds good to try and win a few units then STOP.
A.
4 wide is looking absolutely solid!!
Tested 1000's of spins now, playing against 5 pointers without a trigger. Only been taken to the 4th step of the progression 3 times! Never lost a progression.
4 wide matrix with a trigger = bulletproof
Quote from: redhot on Apr 06, 12:14 PM 2011
4 wide is looking absolutely solid!!
Tested 1000's of spins now, playing against 5 pointers without a trigger. Only been taken to the 4th step of the progression 3 times! Never lost a progression.
4 wide matrix with a trigger = bulletproof
Great stuff. Awesome!
So best to track a trigger 5 pointer before each bet and use 4step prog = bulletproof.
When you've amassed a pile of units then maybe take risk with no trigger and 3step like JohnL - but until then stick with trigger and 4-step. Seems a good plan.
A.
here we go again changing everything with every post all you are doing is spoiling the system john gave you
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 06, 10:42 AM 2011
No Vundarosa, bet against FIVE POINTERS. You will get QUADS. But five pointers are sparse. it took me 214 spins to get a FIVE POINTER, in that timeframe there were 4 QUADS. Especially good at forming them are columns.
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super! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 06, 10:35 AM 2011
So you saw SIX 5 Pointers in a row ?
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no twister, that was playing against doubles becoming trips, after a trigger. that was six consecutive trips. All six doubles became trips and the seventh did not.
vundarosa
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 06, 12:35 PM 2011
Here we go again changing everything with every post all you are doing is spoiling the system john gave you
No it hasnt ?
All they decided to do was play with a Trigger. Thats a personal choice.
The Core of the system is the same. The only change is that its played on a 4x Grid.
Ive played this last 2hrs on a 4x Grid and bulletproof is wrong lol
As I said before, its SUPERNOVA PROOF ! :twisted: :lol: :xd: ;D ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 06, 01:57 PM 2011
No it hasn't ?
All they decided to do was play with a Trigger. that's a personal choice.
The Core of the system is the same. The only change is that its played on a 4x Grid.
I've played this last 2hrs on a 4x Grid and bulletproof is wrong LoL
As I said before, its SUPERNOVA PROOF ! :twisted: :LoL: :xd: ;D ;D
Your telling me Twister Random doesn't want to know. Its Einstein PROOF. Einstein said the only way to win at roulette was to steal money. While no one was looking. WRONG. ???
Quote from: redhot on Apr 06, 12:14 PM 2011
4 wide is looking absolutely solid!!
Tested 1000's of spins now, playing against 5 pointers without a trigger. Only been taken to the 4th step of the progression 3 times! Never lost a progression.
4 wide matrix with a trigger = bulletproof
Hi Twister,
SUPERNOVA proof! :twisted: I like that...
It's just that redhot said he'd gone to the 4th step 3 times - but JohnL advised 3 steps...
That means if redhot had been playing only 3Step he would have LOST 78units; hence it seemed logical to add in a trigger to make more bulletproof...
However it could be that a trigger with a 3step is the best solution (26pts at risk)
A.
The 4 wide with trigger playing both doz/cols is actualy very playable indeed. Hasn't taken me so long to find a trigger and i can now use just a 3 step with the zero coverd :thumbsup:
Love that post Legend
don't believe what you read in the paper people!
tonight I have 3 hours to test i'll post my results playing from william hill live wheel
Thanks zigzag - it is fantastic I agree - I now get my matrix sunglasses on...
8) 8) 8) 8) (4 wide of course)
A
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 06, 02:08 PM 2011
The 4 wide with trigger playing both doz/cols is actualy very playable indeed. Hasn't taken me so long to find a trigger and I can now use just a 3 step with the zero coverd :thumbsup:
That sounds very good Zig Zag. Il see how no trigger goes first. Remember REDHOT had THREE FOUR POINTERS from thousands of spins. The way I play I could win 100/1 easily. I truly believe shorter sessions are one of the reasons Ive been successful. Ive no doubt that if I played long sessions I would have lost more.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 06, 02:10 PM 2011
Thanks zigzag - it is fantastic I agree - I now get my matrix sunglasses on...
8) 8) 8) 8) (4 wide of course)
A
Hey Atlantis the MATRIX was on last night. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 06, 02:20 PM 2011
Hey Atlantis the MATRIX was on last night. 8) 8) 8) 8)
Ive got the Box Set ;D
THE Best Movie ever along with Pulp Fiction and Natural Born Killers and.....oh you get the idea :D
Just played this last 2hrs or so
100% wins
All wins by 2nd level ;D
Playin without a Trigger 1-1 3-3 9-9
SUPERNOVA PROOF 8) 8) 8) 8)
3 wide quads not to become 5
win
lose
win
win
win
win
4 wide quads
win
win
5 wide quads
lose
lose
lose
lose
william hill live .. 2 hours been watching like a hawk this is spot on stats. long old waiting game
ok made a nice cup of english tea an now i'm lost. i don't know what to make of the 5 wide grid now that seems to me like a near miracle
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 06, 12:35 PM 2011
Here we go again changing everything with every post all you are doing is spoiling the system john gave you
Yet I'm giving up with the matrix system as well Joiner.All this changing of the rules all the time first it's a 5 wide grid then a 3 wide now a 4 wide.Then it's play with a trigger,not play with a trigger.Then it only works at uk online casinos' and so on.
For people that don't follow the thread the whole time it's all
become a bit of a joke.
I'm going back to Kennedy positional roulette,especially now I've discovered a much better way of picking the 4 numbers you play.
I was playing yesterday and had 3 hits in my first 6 spins which gave me an 84 unit win.How long would this take with this system,especially when the rules are being changed every other day.
Still good luck to you guys who continue to play the Matrix.
Quote from: roulettefan on Apr 06, 09:14 AM 2011
John
if you have time between your testing
please answer to my mail
i am just new in this forum
and I just see this very interesting topic
can you please post your exact way of play
and a short exemple
as I really want to test this matrix.
i really appreciate
(you can copy and paste of course if the explanationation
are somewhere else in the forum)
sorry for my English I am french
hello from the south of France Nice
I looooove Nice
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 06, 02:10 PM 2011
Love that post Legend
don't believe what you read in the paper people!
tonight I have 3 hours to test i'll post my results playing from william hill live wheel
Thats true Strato1985 since I was a kid I heard these myths about roulette. I always wanted to find out and now I know the truth I want as many open minded people as possible to realize it too.
This forum is the only one ive ever seen that has more positive thinkers than naysayers. And thats why its the best place to change the thinking on this game. With great and creative members its a dream.
so far here are not nonononon sayers i think they are busy playin... ;D
True john I hate the negs too,,
my test yesterday had a 4 loss on 5 wide without trig.. anyone else seen that?
it was about 2.5 hours , to me that has got to be rare, I can't even remember any1 else seeing 1. also the wheel was named as german, all german women I think.
funny thing too the other 1's didn't even come close to scary..
negative thinker will never go forward
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 07, 03:17 AM 2011
True john I hate the negs too,,
my test yesterday had a 4 loss on 5 wide without trig.. anyone else seen that?
it was about 2.5 hours , to me that has got to be rare, I can't even remember any1 else seeing 1. also the wheel was named as german, all german women I think.
funny thing too the other 1's didn't even come close to scary..
negative thinker will never go forward
Did you see 4 five pointers on a live wheel? Only seen 3 one time :)
Jon
4x Grid is SOLID !
Played last 3hrs
Wins 100%
Highest Level 2
Now playin 3-3 9-9 27-27 :xd: :twisted:
how many units won in that time twister ?
I have tested 10,000 Wiesbaden Live spins and these were the results (3 wide grid on dozens):
1468 x 2pt
483 x 3pt
161 x 4pt
57 x 5pt
23 x 6pt
7 x 7pt
2 x 9pt
I havent worked out the profit/loss on the session but just wanted you guys to be aware that there are 9 pointers out here on live wheels!
I have attached the relevant part of the test for 1 of the 9 pointers
Quote from: ausjase on Apr 07, 05:19 AM 2011
How many units won in that time twister ?
30 Units mate ;D
Quote from: RP on Apr 07, 05:37 AM 2011
I have tested 10,000 Wiesbaden Live spins and these were the results (3 wide grid on dozens):
1468 x 2pt
483 x 3pt
161 x 4pt
57 x 5pt
23 x 6pt
7 x 7pt
2 x 9pt
I haven't worked out the profit/loss on the session but just wanted you guys to be aware that there are 9 pointers out here on live wheels!
I have attached the relevant part of the test for 1 of the 9 pointers
Sorry but this is wrong
Ure playin after a Quad had become a 5 pointer. We STOP playin it if it becomes a 5 pointer
Ive seen 11 pointer while playin :o
Once a Quad becomes a 5 pointer we leave it alone and wait for a new pure Quad ;D
Sorry, yes you're right! I got carried away with how many pointers there are and forgot how it was played lol
Thanks Twister
Ps this is a great thread - keep up the good work guys and special thanks to John and Scooby for posting
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 07, 05:13 AM 2011
4x Grid is SOLID !
Played last 3hrs
Wins 100%
Highest Level 2
Now playin 3-3 9-9 27-27 :xd: :twisted:
Same here Twister, it controls random perfectly. Ive played 15 games FOUR WIDE 12 STEP ONE WINS, 3 STEP TWO. Columns are earning their keep providing 9 of the 15 wins.
hi are you saying you are playing 4 wide on RNG
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 07, 05:13 AM 2011
4x Grid is SOLID !
Played last 3hrs
Wins 100%
Highest Level 2
Now playin 3-3 9-9 27-27 :xd: :twisted:
Hi Twister,
Good results. I am also thinking of a change to possibly: 2-2, 6-6, 18-18 = 52pts for 2pt winners :)
A.
Joiner
Completely FORGET about RNG! This system is working on LIVE roulette.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 07, 06:39 AM 2011
Hi Twister,
Good results. I am also thinking of a change to possibly: 2-2, 6-6, 18-18 = 52pts for 2pt winners :)
A.
Hi Mate :)
I dont blame you !
You can rack up enough Units so if you ever do go to the 3rd level you can take the loss and carry on
I know JL would play double stakes for 10 games or so to get back to level
I wud too ;D
john l says it controls random perfectly
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 07, 06:39 AM 2011
Hi Twister,
Good results. I am also thinking of a change to possibly: 2-2, 6-6, 18-18 = 52pts for 2pt winners :)
A.
that's a good idea Atlantis, I USE a 104 unit progression to win 4 units per win. You can always raise and lower your levels. If for example you won 20 games at 104 units thats 80 units profit you could now drop to 52 units knowing that even if you lost at some point you still be ahead.
Always keep in mind no matter how strong a method looks, smart money management never does it any harm.
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 07, 08:14 AM 2011
John l says it controls random perfectly
John L means - you can throw TRUE random at it ( as in flip a coin random) ...and not some RANDOM NUMBER GENERATED COMPUTER number!
In other words, if you cannot see a dealer flick a little white ball into a round bucket...DON'T BET!
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Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 07, 09:20 AM 2011
that's a good idea Atlantis, I USE a 104 unit progression to win 4 units per win. You can always raise and lower your levels. If for example you won 20 games at 104 units that's 80 units profit you could now drop to 52 units knowing that even if you lost at some point you'll still be ahead.
Always keep in mind no matter how strong a method looks, smart money management never does it any harm.
I agree ...... 3 an 4 grid playing after quads form could be the way
First game I ever played live 3 hours session, 5 grid picked up 4 consecutive losses, I missed the next level.
Maybe the 5 grid is to far apart, like it creates 5 separate randoms, where as 3 and 4 grid distorts randoms pattern maybe.
4 grid produces the least betting opportunities = probably hardest for random to break
that was my very limited testing
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 07, 09:38 AM 2011
I agree ...... 3 an 4 grid playing after quads form could be the way
First game I ever played live 3 hours session, 5 grid picked up 4 consecutive losses, I missed the next level.
Maybe the 5 grid is to far apart, like it creates 5 separate randoms, where as 3 and 4 grid distorts randoms pattern maybe.
4 grid produces the least betting opportunities = probably hardest for random to break
that was my very limited testing
You need several thousand spins to get an idea of what to expect. FOUR WIDE is looking like the perfect grid for MV 5. I Intend to stay with it. Once I have 1.000 games recorded I will do comparisons.
Just done a 4hr Session 8) 8) 8) 8)
Was playin another winnin run and there was a Knock at the door :o
Phuck me it was Random and it punched me in the face and said ure not Phuckin SUPERNOVA PROOF !!!! :xd: :xd: :xd: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I picked myself up and showed Random my balance, it mumbled something then left :D :D
4x lovin it ;D ;D ;D
twister say you have quad and bet against to become 5 pointer after win do you reset matrix or keep playn it
Hi Twister,
You said you just did a 4-hour session....Sheeeesh! I thought the rule was to win 5 units and then get out...give it a rest and then come back a little later.
John claims that is the reason he has been as successful as he has been. Just an observation my friend.
Scooby Doo
Quote from: maestro on Apr 07, 11:32 AM 2011
Twister say you have quad and bet against to become 5 pointer after win do you reset matrix or keep playn it
I keep playin for 5 or 6 wins then take a short break ;D
Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Apr 07, 11:42 AM 2011
Hi Twister,
You said you just did a 4-hour session....Sheeeesh! I thought the rule was to win 5 units and then get out...give it a rest and then come back a little later.
John claims that is the reason he has been as successful as he has been. Just an observation my friend.
Scooby Doo
4hr session with mini breaks in mate :thumbsup:
ROFL @ Twister !!!
HAHAHAHA very funny!
Quote from: maestro on Apr 07, 11:32 AM 2011
Twister say you have quad and bet against to become 5 pointer after win do you reset matrix or keep playn it
Theres nothing to RESET MAESTRO, Twister and me are opposing every QUAD. The way I play though is for five game sessions. Whether that takes 120 spins or 400 thats my limit.
thanks john :thumbsup:
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 07, 11:44 AM 2011
ROFL @ Twister !!!
HAHAHAHA very funny!
Ya gotta laugh while ure winnin ;D
Quote from: maestro on Apr 07, 11:59 AM 2011
Thanks john :thumbsup:
This is a point I will keep making, a number cruncher puts this method through a bot, simulator whatever. He comes back to me and says "Jl you got all excited thinking your MV5 was literaly the one. But I just tested 30,000 spins and yee haa it lost four times". I reply "I wasn't THERE WHEN THEY HAPPENED"
The point being if a method is that strong that it only lost 4 times in that big a sample. Someone who doesn't often bet more than 200 spins a session, could win hundreds if not thousands of times to every loss they run into. that's why I play the way I do.
I now have a total of 185 games played, and TRUE RANDOM has yet to even show me THREE FIVE POINTERS. And now that I'm playing the fantastic four, it could be another 185 games won before my progression is taken.
And even when it does eventually lose. The name of the game IS PROFIT TO LOSS. And MV5 loves making profit. Jump onboard people, its here for you now.
AND TOMORROW........**PATTERN BREAKER** :o
JL what is so hughly different with the Pattern breaker or is it just a tweak im just tooooo curious :o
Quote from: Post on Apr 07, 12:57 PM 2011
JL what is so hughly different with the Pattern breaker or is it just a tweak I'm just tooooo curious :o
Its no TWEAK POST its a different concept alltogether. And its not a dozens method. What makes it special is what you can achieve with just a 14 unit start in a short period of time. In this respect its out there on its own.
And I think will appeal to those newbies, or players on a small budget who see 80 units as too much to start off with.
"Whatever goal, man has reached is due to his originality plus his brutality." :xd:
Good to see all the winnings here!
Looking forward to the Pattern breaker .
Regards
MAX
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 07, 01:10 PM 2011
Its no TWEAK POST its a different concept alltogether. And its not a dozens method. What makes it special is what you can achieve with just a 14 unit start in a short period of time. In this respect its out there on its own.
And I think will appeal to those newbies, or players on a small budget who see 80 units as too much to start off with.
Super is the only word ;D ;D ;D
everyone still succes playing 4 wide matrix ?
i am ;)
Quote from: Post on Apr 07, 03:05 PM 2011
Everyone still success playing 4 wide matrix ?
i am ;)
I have 10 first sessions with 4 wide today :)
Quote from: Post on Apr 07, 03:05 PM 2011
Everyone still success playing 4 wide matrix ?
i am ;)
Yep its been a really good day ;D
Only gone to the 2nd step !
4x kills Random 8) 8) 8) 8)
Hello Johnlegend. . .
Any chance u can tell us the full rules and progression for this please. . . .
So, many different methods on here by different players. Please can u tell me how u play!
Quote from: paul2007 on Apr 07, 03:35 PM 2011
Hello Johnlegend. . .
Any chance you can tell us the full rules and progression for this please. . . .
So, many different methods on here by different players. Please can you tell me how you play!
Hello Paul2007
1, I am using a FOUR WIDE GRID And betting that every vertical QUAD, does not become a FIVE POINTER.
2, I am betting this way for both DOZENS and COLUMNS. Using a THREE STEP PROGRESSION.
1,3,9 X 2=26pts risk. So you record two side by side matrices, one for each.
3, ideallly you need two banks of 26 one for DOZENS and one for COLUMNS.
4, I play for FIVE WINS a session max. NO MORE. Sometimes if I reach 200 spins I take whatever ive won in that timeframe. Shorter sessions have given me 190 consecutive wins already. They work well for me.
You should aim to quadrupple your bank BEFORE YOU DOUBLE what you play. So if you start at 26pts and reach 104pts. You should now bet with 52pts. Hope this helps..
Can't wait to see PATTERN BREAKER i won't be able to sleep tonight!
Is it betting on the even chances? What the strike rate??
Go on give us a clue :-X :xd: :thumbsup:
;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 07, 03:22 PM 2011
Yep its been a really good day ;D
Only gone to the 2nd step !
4x kills Random 8) 8) 8) 8)
Twister, I think FOUR WIDE is the one. When you play this width you expect to see quads, AND YOU DO. I saw a film advertised recently called I AM NUMBER 4.
Einstein had the theory of relativity. He should have put as much time into studying the theory of random. I THINK THE NUMBER 4 would feature strongly in it. ;D ;D ;D :o :o
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 07, 04:39 PM 2011
Can't wait to see PATTERN BREAKER I won't be able to sleep tonight!
Is it betting on the even chances? What the strike rate??
Go on give us a clue :-X :xd: :thumbsup:
All will be reveaked in 24hrs my friend.
It has the potential to take 14 units on a money making journey that will stun even the most negative naysayer. When its hits a killer winning streak. Thats all il say tonight.
And it's like "THE ZONE" all over again, it's just one big waste of time in the end... *yawn*
Quote from: Side B on Apr 07, 09:10 PM 2011
And it's like "THE ZONE" all over again, it's just one big waste of time in the end... *yawn*
Don't be a non believer. Preacher JL has many followers. ;D
Quote from: furple on Apr 07, 10:01 PM 2011
Don't be a non believer. Preacher JL has many followers. ;D
The proof is in the pudding furple results speak for themselves. And a negative thinker like you would be better off on VLS one big happy family of negative thinkers. That forum is pointless. Here we get things done, :xd:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 12:27 AM 2011
The proof is in the pudding furple results speak for themselves. And a negative thinker like you would be better off on VLS one big happy family of negative thinkers. That forum is pointless. Here we get things done, :xd:
Hey I'm not knocking you preacher man. I just have different beliefs. :thumbsup:
Quote from: furple on Apr 08, 12:52 AM 2011
Hey I'm not knocking you preacher man. I just have different beliefs. :thumbsup:
Yeah I know you bow to maths, thats old. Imagine if we all thought like that. Nothing changes. All I do is make it known this games beatable. You then have a choice. Stay in the dark, or see it for yourself. The people who come with an open mind learn, contribute and we all move forward.
Now whats so bad about that??
OK, it's Friday 8th of April ....it is now 8:06 AM (I live in South Africa) and I don't see the PATTERN BREAKER! Timezone sucs man....... you guys are most probably still Zzzzzzzz.... away! :xd: :twisted: :wink: ;D :P
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 08, 02:09 AM 2011
OK, it's Friday 8th of April ....it is now 8:06 AM (I live in South Africa) and I don't see the PATTERN BREAKER! Timezone sucs man....... you guys are most probably still Zzzzzzzz.... away! :xd: :twisted: :wink: ;D :P
LooooooooooooooooooooooL ure right mate :D
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :twisted: :xd: :lol:
Im sure JL will drop it soon ;D !!!
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 08, 02:09 AM 2011
OK, it's Friday 8th of April ....it is now 8:06 AM (I live in South Africa) and I don't see the PATTERN BREAKER! Timezone sucs man....... you guys are most probably still Zzzzzzzz.... away! :xd: :twisted: :wink: ;D :P
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 07, 05:50 PM 2011
;DTwister, I think FOUR WIDE is the one. When you play this width you expect to see quads, AND YOU DO. I saw a film advertised recently called I AM NUMBER 4.
Einstein had the theory of relativity. He should have put as much time into studying the theory of random. I THINK THE NUMBER 4 would feature strongly in it. ;D ;D ;D :o :o
Ure not wrong mate :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 07, 04:39 PM 2011
Can't wait to see PATTERN BREAKER I won't be able to sleep tonight!
Is it betting on the even chances? What the strike rate??
Go on give us a clue :-X :xd: :thumbsup:
Hey Zig how you been gettin on with MV5 ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 08, 06:29 AM 2011
Hey Zig how you been gettin on with MV5 ?
You mean with the 4 wide?
WWWWWWWW :D
At first i was playing after trigger (virtual loss) BUT it kept winning on first step so i abandond the trigger and just bet after every quad
On a side note. I went bust on my first 3 step (With trigger loss) betting against trips last night. never mind. I only made over 90 units with it ;)
ok, I WAS NOT PLAYING JUST TRACKING.
This was RNG and I was playing something else. 4wide got within 240+ spins 4x 5pointer on dozens.
Vundarosa
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 08, 07:14 AM 2011
You mean with the 4 wide?
WWWWWWWW :D
At first I was playing after trigger (virtual loss) BUT it kept winning on first step so I abandond the trigger and just bet after every quad
On a side note. I went bust on my first 3 step (With trigger loss) betting against trips last night. never mind. I only made over 90 units with it ;)
Yar I know what you mean mate ! Win Win Win ;D
Yeah bettin against Trips is more risky, but you get more action.
Quads to 5 pointers is the way :xd: :lol: :twisted: 8) 8) 8) 8)
While ure waitin for that Quad to form.........
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:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:
I thought it was a joke but i checked out its website and you can auctualy BUY IT.
$29 :o
Yes, is real ;D
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 08, 07:25 AM 2011
Yar I know what you mean mate ! Win Win Win ;D
Yeah bettin against Trips is more risky, but you get more action.
Quads to 5 pointers is the way :xd: :LoL: :twisted: 8) 8) 8) 8)
Hey guys, heres my latest report. Have just completed 200 games live. What a difference adding columns makes. And now with the four wide Matrix how long can she go?. Here are the numbers
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 200
BALANCE 800 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 100%
STEP 1 WINS 147
STEP 2 WINS 39
STEP 3 WINS 14--5 DUE TO ZERO.
I was confident about MV5 before we decided to play FOUR WIDE. Now I think its perfect made for longterm overall success. Pattern breaker later tonight people I'm suit shopping have a wedding to go to, LoL.... ;D ;D :girl_to: ;D :girl_to:
Thanks John, 4x matrix can be the salvation of roulette player, provided that he/she has patience and discipline. Franky, the waiting time for a bet is very long(even in RNG), but there is no easy money in roulette.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 09:05 AM 2011
Hey guys, heres my latest report. Have just completed 200 games live. What a difference adding columns makes. And now with the four wide Matrix how long can she go?. Here are the numbers
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 200
BALANCE 800 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 100%
STEP 1 WINS 147
STEP 2 WINS 39
STEP 3 WINS 14--5 DUE TO ZERO.
I was confident about MV5 before we decided to play FOUR WIDE. Now I think its perfect made for longterm overall success. Pattern breaker later tonight people I'm suit shopping have a wedding to go to, LoL.... ;D ;D :girl_to: ;D :girl_to:
My results echo those of you JL ;D
3 steps is great coz if we ever do hit 3 losses, we can recover very easily :xd: :twisted:
Quote from: intermax on Apr 08, 09:11 AM 2011
Thanks John, 4x matrix can be the salvation of roulette player, provided that he/she has patience and discipline.
Hi Internax, I really think so. By the weekend there will be two methods on this forum that will change any players life inside a year if they have the mindset to stay with them. PATTERN BREAKER I give even more credit to than MV5 at this moment in time, as it has made me a lot of profit since I've used it.
Now I'm ready to turn it lo ;Dose...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 09:19 AM 2011
Now I'm ready to turn it lose...
:xd: :thumbsup:
Regarding the matrix 4 wide. I like to cover zero on step 2 and 3. If i hit a zero on step 1 i will just take the loss and won't go immediatly up to step 2.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 08, 09:15 AM 2011
My results echo those of you JL ;D
3 steps is great because if we ever do hit 3 losses, we can recover very easily :xd: :twisted:
Exactly, its a win win situation my friend with a strikerate this good. Keep going till you hit 500 units profit youll never look back from there.
how about playing for 5 units win playing dozends only and then switch to collums only till 5 units profit and then switch back so you can dodge some of the lossing streaks ;)
how many spins are your games john.
Quote from: Post on Apr 08, 09:32 AM 2011
How about playing for 5 units win playing dozends only and then switch to collums only till 5 units profit and then switch back so you can dodge some of the losing streaks ;)
I like that idea. (If you have two roulette wheels like Dublinbet you can switch wheels--and play the same strategy.)
i was thinking about a single LIVE table and switch every 5 wins to dodge some of the losses ;)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 09:05 AM 2011
Hey guys, heres my latest report. Have just completed 200 games live. What a difference adding columns makes. And now with the four wide Matrix how long can she go?. Here are the numbers
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 200
BALANCE 800 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 100%
STEP 1 WINS 147
STEP 2 WINS 39
STEP 3 WINS 14--5 DUE TO ZERO.
I was confident about MV5 before we decided to play FOUR WIDE. Now I think its perfect made for longterm overall success. Pattern breaker later tonight people I'm suit shopping have a wedding to go to, LoL.... ;D ;D :girl_to: ;D :girl_to:
how many spins does 1 game consist of john thanks.
Hi Guys,
Well, at this time I feel that this method has been tested enough from many different people and proved reliable. I don't see any more reason to continue hashing over it....
All of you that wanted to find great method have found it but as they say when you gain something there is always something that needs to be compromised. In this case you have to have patience and determination.
I wish all of you good luck and I pray that you will add this method to your arsenal of methods to get your fair share of winnings for the rest of your life.
Scooby Doo
Warrior,
John plays enough spins to win 5 units. That can take from approximately 200 to 400 spins.
So a session is measured by the units won, not by the number of spins.
Scooby Doo
I tried the 4 wide matrix in the program and it still loses. The numbers I used were real numbers from DB.
I'm not trying to be naysayer but I'm just looking for an explanation to this. Is there a problem with the program? Or will the system eventually fail in the long run?
If the program is correct and as I am using real numbers, then what else could explain the bad results?
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 08, 12:48 PM 2011
I tried the 4 wide matrix in the program and it still loses. The numbers I used were real numbers from DB.
I'm not trying to be naysayer but I'm just looking for an explanation to this. Is there a problem with the program? Or will the system eventually fail in the long run?
If the program is correct and as I am using real numbers, then what else could explain the bad results?
How many spins was the test ?
hi, if a quad goes to a five do u wait until another quad forms or do you keep betting it wont become a six or a seven as i just had a vertical 10 dozens in a row on betfair live casino
Quote from: warrior on Apr 08, 11:33 AM 2011
how many spins does 1 game consist of john thanks.
It varies warrior anything from 20 spins to 120. Most of my sessions are over in 200 spins.
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 08, 12:56 PM 2011
Hi, if a quad goes to a five do you wait until another quad forms or do you keep betting it wont become a six or a seven as I just had a vertical 10 dozens in a row on betfair live casino
Joiner29,
The rule is already stated lots of times: you only bet on a QUAD to not become a 5-POINTER (quintuplet)
If you do NOT win then you track for the next unique QUAD to occur and bet against a 5-POINTER at the next level of the progression...
A.
thanks atlantis
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 08, 12:56 PM 2011
Hi, if a quad goes to a five do you wait until another quad forms or do you keep betting it wont become a six or a seven as I just had a vertical 10 dozens in a row on betfair live casino
Joiner you never try to outlive a single vertical. you bet ONCE against each quad becoming a five pointer.
cheers john cant wait for your new system
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 08, 12:48 PM 2011
I tried the 4 wide matrix in the program and it still loses. The numbers I used were real numbers from DB.
I'm not trying to be naysayer but I'm just looking for an explanation to this. Is there a problem with the program? Or will the system eventually fail in the long run?
If the program is correct and as I am using real numbers, then what else could explain the bad results?
Hi The Force,
Can you print or look back at ALL of the session quads with this program?
It would be useful if you could scrollback thru the history of the matrix4 and see the quads highlighted for checking/verification and to see whether or not it is identifying them correctly and also prompting correctly to bet. Also there is the ZERO factor - does the prog take account of that? You say IF the program is correct - it might not be...
A.
QuoteOr will the system eventually fail in the long run?
Yes it will, your results were bad luck that you saw the problem initially in your tests, when I boted it, all matrix methods so far have failed eventually, I have said in other posts they can and do last a reasonable amount of time but eventually the losses are there.
Quotewhat else could explain the bad results?
Random is my guess.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 08, 01:25 PM 2011
Hi The Force,
Can you print or look back at ALL of the session quads with this program?
It would be useful if you could scrollback thru the history of the matrix4 and see the quads highlighted for checking/verification and to see whether or not it is identifying them correctly and also prompting correctly to bet. Also there is the ZERO factor - does the prog take account of that? You say IF the program is correct - it might not be...
A.
Force when you say lose what frequency are we talking about (losses per 1000 spins) And as Atlantis asked do you know a zero in the makeup of a quad voids it. This is the problem I have with rigid computer programs. They cant mimick human play and decision making accurately enough to draw a true comparison in results. A friend of mine already number crunched this method. There were 11 three 5 pointers, 5 four 5 pointers and 4 five 5 pointers in a 30,000 spin sample. Thats the bad news. The good news in between those bad boys, there were 479 Quads. But we are not playing 30,000 spin sessions. When you enter the cycle can greatly affect your P&L margin. Im now 205 games no loss. I have to suffer 8 3 five pointers to wipe that out. Its not going to happen especially when my sessions can be over in 140 spins. LESS IS MORE PEOPLE. Never get flustered about waiting to win, when you reach living level you wont be complaining it took you 5 hrs to win what your job used to pay plus all the grief, keep these things in mind...
@ All the negative people towards this system...
NO ONE - in the history of gambling, sports, wars etc. has won every time they attempt whatever they attempt - NO ONE! So will this system fail, of course it will!!! Everything at some point fails.
Here are the questions:
1. Will it have 100% strike rate for ever and ever and ever and ever - NO it wont
2. Will you have more wins than losses - YES. So this system is exactly what is says it is... successful!!!
So in short...use it? don't use it?....but don't belittle it!!!
well said indeed if you dont like it leave others may like it
im in swindon, uk
Worked a 12hr shift plastering on a building site an hour an a half from home,
An i aint gonna sleep till the legend has posted!!
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 08, 02:07 PM 2011
@ All the negative people towards this system...
NO ONE - in the history of gambling, sports, wars etc. has won every time they attempt whatever they attempt - NO ONE! So will this system fail, of course it will!!! Everything at some point fails.
Here are the questions:
1. Will it have 100% strike rate for ever and ever and ever and ever - NO it wont
2. Will you have more wins than losses - YES. So this system is exactly what is says it is... successful!!!
So in short...use it? don't use it?....but don't belittle it!!!
You said it perfectly MAUI13 If you want a method THAT NEVER LOSES, I know a few but youll get few bets. The definition of a successful method for me is one that turns a weekly profit. Thats what its all about.
MATHS DEVOTEES, cant digest that thought. There mission is to uphold mathematicians laws, at all costs. They assume showing a method loses does that. they forget the only thing that matters is STRIKERATE. PROFIT TO LOSS.
MV5 has it as does THE PATTERN BREAKER. I cant wait to hear what the negs are going to try and tell me about PB. Maths is so REDUNDANT with this one.
come on johnlegend put us out of our misery the suit must look good just like your systems
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 02:29 PM 2011
You said it perfectly MAUI13 If you want a method THAT NEVER LOSES, I know a few but youll get few bets. The definition of a successful method for me is one that turns a weekly profit. that's what its all about.
MATHS DEVOTEES, can't digest that thought. There mission is to uphold mathematicians laws, at all costs. They assume showing a method loses does that. they forget the only thing that matters is STRIKERATE. PROFIT TO LOSS.
MV5 has it as does THE PATTERN BREAKER. I can't wait to hear what the negs are going to try and tell me about PB. Maths is so REDUNDANT with this one.
What means REDUNDANT ? :)
That means to say/or do something over and over again when it isn't necessary.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 08, 02:42 PM 2011
That means to say/or do something over and over again when it isn't necessary.
Thanks :)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 01:58 PM 2011
Force when you say lose what frequency are we talking about (losses per 1000 spins) And as Atlantis asked do you know a zero in the makeup of a quad voids it. This is the problem I have with rigid computer programs. They can't mimick human play and decision making accurately enough to draw a true comparison in results. A friend of mine already number crunched this method. There were 11 three 5 pointers, 5 four 5 pointers and 4 five 5 pointers in a 30,000 spin sample. that's the bad news. The good news in between those bad boys, there were 479 Quads. But we are not playing 30,000 spin sessions. When you enter the cycle can greatly affect your P&L margin. I'm now 205 games no loss. I have to suffer 8 3 five pointers to wipe that out. Its not going to happen especially when my sessions can be over in 140 spins. LESS IS MORE PEOPLE. Never get flustered about waiting to win, when you reach living level you wont be complaining it took you 5 hrs to win what your job used to pay plus all the grief, keep these things in mind...
Is it 205 sessions with 4 Wide? ;D
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 08, 02:34 PM 2011
Come on johnlegend put us out of our misery the suit must look good just like your systems
Hmmm, not sure that was a compliment. MV5 is a joint effort Joiner29 you have Twister and Atlantis to thank aswell for us arriving at this ultimate conclusion.
PATTERN BREAKER will hit the forum between 9,30 to 10.
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 08, 02:51 PM 2011
Is it 205 sessions with 4 Wide? ;D
No Jon thats 205 games three and four wide.
First off, I am not a naysayer. I would like nothing more than this is to hold up and everyone to profit from it. I lived off roulette for a whole year, so I know it can be done.
All I am saying is that I ran some real numbers through the program and it lost too many progressions to make a profit. Yes, it wins more than it loses but the losses out-weight the profit.
I am equally questioning the program as I am the system. I hope that there is a flaw in the program which gives me these bad results. But because no one has suggested how the program is wrong, then I must also question the system.
I've ran 43,000 live spins through the program and the overall result is negative. Many sessions DO end in profit, so of course you can profit from this system. But I cannot lie about the overall outcome.
The program can be found in this thread here, so you can all check for yourselves.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/)
Again, I am not trying to discredit the system. I am simply saying that when I ran real numbers through a program that simulates the system, it loses in the end. I am questioning the program as much as I am questioning the system.
The last days i have only play as John has told me to do. All the negative people here the last days have proberly done the same as the Matrix is brilliant and a winner.
Negative people will be around its just they nature to complane and trash things i belive. The rest ho is willing to try and be a part of the new things that comes will be sucessfull over time if follow people ho know this game and have played. I have learned a couple very important things from John the last week and how to play and how much to play each day.
For me is five wins enough with great value to make a living of this. So if i have a system that wins 200 sessions before it lose 1 time and then win 100 sessions more before next loss its more than enough.
Well in this case John will bring one more system that wins more than lose to us so i am very greatfull for that and all sould be.
Thanks to all ho has been here and contributed to the matrix :)
I will now play a couple more sessions for the day and i bet we talk later in the Patter Breaker Topic ;D
Jon
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 08, 03:14 PM 2011
First off, I am not a naysayer. I would like nothing more than this is to hold up and everyone to profit from it. I lived off roulette for a whole year, so I know it can be done.
All I am saying is that I ran some real numbers through the program and it lost too many progressions to make a profit. Yes, it wins more than it loses but the losses out-weight the profit.
I am equally questioning the program as I am the system. I hope that there is a flaw in the program which gives me these bad results. But because no one has suggested how the program is wrong, then I must also question the system.
I've ran 43,000 live spins through the program and the overall result is negative. Many sessions DO end in profit, so of course you can profit from this system. But I cannot lie about the overall outcome.
The program can be found in this thread here, so you can all check for yourselves.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/)
Again, I am not trying to discredit the system. I am simply saying that when I ran real numbers through a program that simulates the system, it loses in the end. I am questioning the program as much as I am questioning the system.
Why you wonder about the system you can see live people here win and have won 200.300 sessions i a row and you wonder if the system works?
Dont mean to be rude i just dont understand why people ask and look for flaws in the system when live people here are winning day in and day out.
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 08, 03:14 PM 2011
First off, I am not a naysayer. I would like nothing more than this is to hold up and everyone to profit from it. I lived off roulette for a whole year, so I know it can be done.
All I am saying is that I ran some real numbers through the program and it lost too many progressions to make a profit. Yes, it wins more than it loses but the losses out-weight the profit.
I am equally questioning the program as I am the system. I hope that there is a flaw in the program which gives me these bad results. But because no one has suggested how the program is wrong, then I must also question the system.
I've ran 43,000 live spins through the program and the overall result is negative. Many sessions DO end in profit, so of course you can profit from this system. But I cannot lie about the overall outcome.
The program can be found in this thread here, so you can all check for yourselves.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/full-systems/matrix-vertical-method-only/825/)
Again, I am not trying to discredit the system. I am simply saying that when I ran real numbers through a program that simulates the system, it loses in the end. I am questioning the program as much as I am questioning the system.
Force please explain the method to me as you understand it. And WHAT constitutes a loss in your program of the FOUR WIDE MATRIX??
WIKI - Simulation is the imitation of some real thing, state of affairs, or process. The act of simulating something generally entails representing certain key characteristics or behaviours of a selected physical or abstract system.
Simulation is used in many contexts, such as simulation of technology for performance optimization, safety engineering, testing, training, education, and video games.
Putting numbers into a program is a simulation, and NOT the real thing. The numbers players are putting down here, is the real thing. No one can deny that 205 games, none lost is short of absolutley bloody magnificent....unless there are better stats on this forum that I might have missed...
I know it can be annoying for people to come here and be negative, but I assure you that I am simply asking questions. I am not trying to discredit this system.
The reason why I won't simply trust the few results of those on here is because I lived off roulette for a whole year, with an almost infallible system.
But a few months into my second year, I hit a very bad run. It was like the casino had caught onto me or something. But the truth is, the system was not infallible and it had hit it's natural trough from a year long peak.
The program can simulate many sessions, which is why IF the program is correct then you can gain a lot of info from it. But as I said before, the program maybe flawed which is why I said that I am questioning the program as much as I am this system.
Hi I'm the newbie. Would someone be kind enough to send me a link where i can read the system from begining or explain the system with an example. I read the first few pages and I'm loss :(. Thanks
I'm in the IT industry, and trust me if I tell you, I would love to use my pc and apps to do a bit of number crunching and tracking my numbers because I can hardly understand my own handwriting as I haven't been using pen and paper for the last 12 years or so ;D, I am very skeptical too...
There's an add on the tele....and they convince you that this new product is so awesome. You don't believe it, but the next day you buy it and find out for yourself....and that is the ONLY way you'll get to know the product. You might love it, or you might hate it...
At the end of the day, it all depends on you! Even as I'm writing this, As I said, I'm still skeptical about this, but I've tried it myself....not as many spins...or as many units, but still success.
So - may "The Force" be with you... :P :thumbsup: Take a plunge, put some money on the table...and see how it goes!
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 07, 04:16 PM 2011
1, I am using a FOUR WIDE GRID And betting that every vertical QUAD, does not become a FIVE POINTER.
2, I am betting this way for both DOZENS and COLUMNS. Using a THREE STEP PROGRESSION.
1,3,9 X 2=26pts risk. So you record two side by side matrices, one for each.
3, ideallly you need two banks of 26 one for DOZENS and one for COLUMNS.
4, I play for FIVE WINS a session max. NO MORE. Sometimes if I reach 200 spins I take whatever I've won in that timeframe. Shorter sessions have given me 190 consecutive wins already. They work well for me.
You should aim to quadrupple your bank BEFORE YOU DOUBLE what you play. So if you start at 26pts and reach 104pts. You should now bet with 52pts. Hope this helps..
@ Londonboy85 :thumbsup:
Quote from: londonboy85 on Apr 08, 03:41 PM 2011
Hi I'm the newbie. Would someone be kind enough to send me a link where I can read the system from begining or explain the system with an example. I read the first few pages and I'm loss :(. Thanks
Hi Londonboy. Welcome. :smile:
I think maybe whats best is to read the
MATRIX VERTICAL ONLY method in the systems libary section of the forum. The only difference here is with the Matrix vertical 5 is that we are using a 4 wide grid playing both dozens and columns against quads forming a 5 pointer.
I had another look at the MV5 program. It is very nice ute but remember author IAMVALJEAN says it is still unfinished...
Also not sure if it is playing it right. For instance in the settings there are different options about when you reset the matrix 4...
I personally do not use the program yet until I can see and verify it is working correctly. The outputted info is not sufficient to convince me at this stage enough to rely on it - so instead I prefer and am happy to use old fashioned pen and paper and track by hand and I do not reset the matrix at any point.
I play same as JohnL continuously to win a few units and then quit.
A.
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 08, 03:49 PM 2011
I'm in the IT industry, and trust me if I tell you, I would love to use my pc and apps to do a bit of number crunching and tracking my numbers because I can hardly understand my own handwriting as I haven't been using pen and paper for the last 12 years or so ;D, I am very skeptical too...
There's an add on the tele....and they convince you that this new product is so awesome. You don't believe it, but the next day you buy it and find out for yourself....and that is the ONLY way you'll get to know the product. You might love it, or you might hate it...
At the end of the day, it all depends on you! Even as I'm writing this, As I said, I'm still skeptical about this, but I've tried it myself....not as many spins...or as many units, but still success.
So - may "The Force" be with you... :P :thumbsup: Take a plunge, put some money on the table...and see how it goes!
Firstly no ones selling anything here. You can paper test this method for a year if you like. My problem with forces assumptions are they're text book classic, I had a system that worked for a year then all of a sudden stopped. Please pm me the method Force ill tell you if it was any good to start with.
Why will MV5 become a classic ROULETTE KILLER? It works, Force still hasnt given us any numbers 43,000 spins?
What else? Gaps between losses? QUADS in that sample. Zero voids? FOUR WIDE MATRIX?
There are too many anwsers missing meanwhile Ive already reached a point in the real world of random where going into negative figures is less likely that Elvis performing on the moon tonight.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 04:15 PM 2011
I've already reached a point in the real world of random where going into negative figures is less likely that Elvis performing on the moon tonight.
link:://:.ghost-pictures.org/elvis-ghost-photos-moon-1.htm (link:://:.ghost-pictures.org/elvis-ghost-photos-moon-1.htm)
What the astronauts failed to see was that the ghost of Elvis was there to greet them and indeed to serenade them with a medley of his best loved songs.
8)
A.
Thanks you guys for your help I'm putting a small example about what I currently understand so please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm playing the 4 wide matrix
1 1 3 2
2 1 3 1
3 1 1 2
2 1 2 3. . . . . . . . This is my trigger, right ??? I'm betting that the 2nd vertical line doesn't become
a 5 pointer.
So I need to bet on dozen 2 & 3 right ???. Also when you talks of pts do you mean
units.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 08, 12:27 AM 2011
The proof is in the pudding furple results speak for themselves. And a negative thinker like you would be better off on VLS one big happy family of negative thinkers. That forum is pointless. Here we get things done, :xd:
If you think VLS forum is bad,don't ever head over to Punters lounge or UK betting tips forum.
They are full of the most negative posters I have seen in gambling forums ever.All they do is post negative post after post after post.
I posted the kennedy system over at uk betting tips,the amount of grief I got was unbelivable.You wonder why these people gamble in the first place.Now it appears they are starting to appear in here now :(
Well, it has been quite a while since my last post... Let me update my results testing this baby :)
Though I am not as enthusiastic as johnlegend and other posters here, I must say that this is one of the most promising systems I have tried. There are losses, of course. But, depending on the size of your progression and the way you play, I must say these are rare indeed. As rare as 1 progression lost in every 55000 spins on average!!! As you do not bet each of those 55000 spins P/L ratio is not even close to 55000/1. That would really be a grail :D
Most simulations of up to 350000 spins (that is really a lot of spins!!!) I have run are still giving profitable results. Bear in mind that you are supposed to loose 2.7% of any bet placed so getting still only 1 unit profit after a very long series of result would really be a success.
Be careful when running simulations of such looooong series. As johnlegend says, the point where you enter the game is really a must in this system so if you have a single file with, for example, 100.000 spins you have a single entry point. Think about this....
I am still developing the software. I have newer versions of the program that allow the matrix not to be reset until X wins or after X consecutive spins (i.e. to simulate a session of 200 continuous spins and then stop) or not to be reset at all.
One of the major improvements is that at this moment the program can capture live spins from a couple of well known casinos to simulate real live sessions...
The new versions are not yet published, though. It is going to take a while yet.
One last thought. I do not think The Force or anyone who questions this system or my program (which can be flawed, of course) is a 'naysayer' or a negative thinker. He is just a thinker ;) It is a good thing to think for oneself and question other people's results or ideas. IMHO that is the best way to make the most progress...
Quote from: londonboy85 on Apr 08, 04:58 PM 2011
Thanks you guys for your help I'm putting a small example about what I currently understand so please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm playing the 4 wide matrix
1 1 3 2
2 1 3 1
3 1 1 2
2 1 2 3. . . . . . . . This is my trigger, right ??? I'm betting that the 2nd vertical line doesn't become
a 5 pointer.
So I need to bet on dozen 2 & 3 right ???. Also when you talks of pts do you mean
units.
Yes
So from your matrix
1 1 3 2
2 1 3 1
3 1 1 2
2 1 2 3 <<<<< trigger is the 1 dozen as it has formed 4 in a row
3 <<<< Now is time to bet that the 1 dozen dosent form a 5 in row so you bet 2&3
Dozen
NOW IF YOU LOSE
1 1 3 2
2 1 3 1
3 1 1 2
2 1 2 3
3 1 2 3 <<<<< here you lost. So continue to write down the matrix until you see
2 1 3 1
ANOTHER NEW QUAD2 1 2 2
3 3 2 2
2 3 1 2
1 2 1 2 <<<<< here is another new quad (2 Doz)
2 3 2 <<<<<Here your making your next bet on your second step of your
Progression 3-3
If you lose then wait for another quad and use your 3rd and final
progression
Make 2 matrix. One for doz and another for cols. using 2 seperate banks. This gives you more betting oppertunites
I like to place a chip on zero on the last 2 steps of the progression, but thats just me :P
Thanks zigzag for your explanation I'm getting it now :) Will do a few practice sessions before playing for real.
Quote from: iamvaljean on Apr 08, 05:25 PM 2011
Well, it has been quite a while since my last post... Let me update my results testing this baby :)
Though I am not as enthusiastic as johnlegend and other posters here, I must say that this is one of the most promising systems I have tried. There are losses, of course. But, depending on the size of your progression and the way you play, I must say these are rare indeed. As rare as 1 progression lost in every 55000 spins on average!!! As you do not bet each of those 55000 spins P/L ratio is not even close to 55000/1. That would really be a grail :D
Most simulations of up to 350000 spins (that is really a lot of spins!!!) I have run are still giving profitable results. Bear in mind that you are supposed to lose 2.7% of any bet placed so getting still only 1 unit profit after a very long series of result would really be a success.
Be careful when running simulations of such looooong series. As johnlegend says, the point where you enter the game is really a must in this system so if you have a single file with, for example, 100.000 spins you have a single entry point. Think about this....
I am still developing the software. I have newer versions of the program that allow the matrix not to be reset until X wins or after X consecutive spins (i.e. to simulate a session of 200 continuous spins and then stop) or not to be reset at all.
One of the major improvements is that at this moment the program can capture live spins from a couple of well known casinos to simulate real live sessions...
The new versions are not yet published, though. It is going to take a while yet.
One last thought. I do not think The Force or anyone who questions this system or my program (which can be flawed, of course) is a 'naysayer' or a negative thinker. He is just a thinker ;) It is a good thing to think for oneself and question other people's results or ideas. in my humble opinion that is the best way to make the most progress...
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How many steps do you have in your progression for those 55000/1?
Also, this results are for a 4 wide matrix betting against quads becoming 5 pointers?
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 08, 11:38 PM 2011
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How many steps do you have in your progression for those 55000/1?
Also, this results are for a 4 wide matrix betting against quads becoming 5 pointers?
vundarosa
I thought it was a 5 wide matrix to begin with then a 3 and now a 4?.
So which is the best one.So many matrixes. :D
Quote from: moles40 on Apr 09, 04:43 AM 2011
I thought it was a 5 wide matrix to begin with then a 3 and now a 4?.
So which is the best one.So many matrixes. :D
4x is the choice ;D
im a new member here and this is my first post, so i dont know if anyone asked this question or not:
Should we use this system with only one dealer? coz imo dealers can somehow affect the outcomes of the spins.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 09, 05:02 AM 2011
4x is the choice ;D
Yup, Five POINTERS on a 4 WIDE GRID. Thats the ultimate conclusion for me people. Its working very well.
Quote from: kiamessi on Apr 09, 05:25 PM 2011
I'm a new member here and this is my first post, so I don't know if anyone asked this question or not:
Should we use this system with only one dealer? because in my opinion dealers can somehow affect the outcomes of the spins.
Excellent question. From my experience, the training dealers are used in the morning. (I am CDT USA, so it's morning for me). At night however there is usually a large crowd at the tables. Casinos bring in their most experienced dealers (avoid) because they can spin the ball to where there isn't a chip on a number very often. Just ask F_LAT_INO (a veteran casino dealer) here at RF.cc
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 05:38 PM 2011
Excellent question. From my experience, the training dealers are used in the morning. (I am CDT USA, so it's morning for me). At night however there is usually a large crowd at the tables. Casinos bring in their most experienced dealers (avoid) because they can spin the ball to where there isn't a chip on a number very often. Just ask F_LAT_INO (a veteran casino dealer) here at RF.cc
Is F_LAT_INO a dealer before for real.
ive seen dealers say what the next number is or they can double or triple numbers if they want ??? ???
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 05:42 PM 2011
Is F_LAT_INO a dealer before for real.
I think he is retired, but yes.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 05:47 PM 2011
I think he is retired, but yes.
Thats cool. I bet he is good at playing now :)
I'm sure those Bet365 girls can hit any sector the pit boss ask them too :-X
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 09, 05:54 PM 2011
I'm sure those Bet365 girls can hit any sector the pit boss ask them too :-X
That's why F_LAT_INO suggests only B&M casinos, not online at all.
Why dealer with such a skill does not tell their friend to come and make a simple profit? They would be able to capitalize very quickly this way, and before pitboss would know, their profit would be big enough. There is also no proof that it was caused by dealer, because they might have won because of luck. Or is it happening in small scale, someone milking a cow, so dealer and his friend have their share from casino profits?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 06:08 PM 2011
That's why F_LAT_INO suggests only B&M casinos, not online at all.
Not practical at the moment for me as live in rural area, but moving to the bright lights of London next month :xd:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 09, 05:54 PM 2011
I'm sure those Bet365 girls can hit any sector the pit boss ask them too :-X
Im sure they can do much cool stuff :twisted:
I think Flat say it beacuse its the real deal and you are there with the table and dealer.
Online casino has malfunction so it can offten distract the game for the player and we never now whats going on behind the cameras like you say :'(
Supercasino is the only one i know where they do competitions and part of the prize is to visit the London studios where they film from. :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 09, 06:26 PM 2011
Supercasino is the only one I know where they do competitions and part of the prize is to visit the London studios where they film from. :thumbsup:
I didnt know that. Sounds good :)
Just don't try the matrix there, they spin every 2 to 3 minutes as they have TV presenters talking b@$%$cks in between spins >:(
Yes you have to wait quite a while for a spin at super casino. The auto wheel is much quicker same with smartlive casino.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 09, 06:43 PM 2011
Just don't try the matrix there, they spin every 2 to 3 minutes as they have TV presenters talking b@$%$cks in between spins >:(
I was there to look. Its real cool but so sloooooooooooooooow :o
Its live on television ?
Quote from: londonboy85 on Apr 09, 06:53 PM 2011
Yes you have to wait quite a while for a spin at super casino. The auto wheel is much quicker same with smartlive casino.
Autowheel is what i use unless its turbo hour then its live dealer time. Did you try the Matrix yet?
Yes jon its on channel 5. The cool part is they annouce the winners during each round so you got your name up in lights on TV. Thats my only claim to fame :D
Quote from: ZigZag link=topic=4563. msg46457#msg46457 date=1302390057
Autowheel is what I use unless its turbo hour then its live dealer time. Did you try the Matrix yet?
Yes tried it at smartlive low limit autowheel. Wait about 40 secs for a spin. So far I've been practising on fun mode and its doing ok.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 09, 07:00 PM 2011
Autowheel is what I use unless its turbo hour then its live dealer time. Did you try the Matrix yet?
Yes jon its on channel 5. The cool part is they annouce the winners during each round so you got your name up in lights on TV. that's my only claim to fame :D
LOL ;D
Its cool to get the name on television. It sould be picture with Matrix sunglass to 8)
Quote from: londonboy85 on Apr 09, 07:09 PM 2011
Yes tried it at smartlive low limit autowheel. Wait about 40 secs for a spin. So far I've been practising on fun mode and its doing ok.
MV5 will beat online live casinos till the end of time. The only thing we cant beat is RNGS because theyre predatory manmade random. ;D
And it will beat real live casinos if you have the patience ;)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 02:23 AM 2011
MV5 will beat online live casinos till the end of time. The only thing we can't beat is RNGS because theyre predatory manmade random. ;D
4 wide yes ?
Jon :)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 10, 03:47 AM 2011
4 wide yes ?
Jon :)
Yes Jon for me FOUR WIDE is the ULTIMATE MATRIX for this superb method..
I got taken to my 3rd step for the first time yesterday !
Im now playing 5-5 15-15 45-45 ;D
Lovin the 4x :xd: :twisted: :lol: :thumbsup:
Twister how are you doing still winning since I see you even increased your progression ;)
What happens when you lose a progression?
Quote from: Post on Apr 10, 05:24 AM 2011
Twister how are you doing still winning since I see you even increased your progression ;)
Its goin really well :xd:
I play MV5 on a Real Wheel and PB on Baccarat ;D
you play another 26 wins and you have it back ;)
Quote from: The_Force on Apr 10, 05:28 AM 2011
What happens when you lose a progression?
Well for
me I would just continue with my current stakes as ive won enough to take a few losses and not be troubled
I
could increase my stake or go to a 4th level but its workin well the way it is so its all good :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 10, 05:00 AM 2011
I got taken to my 3rd step for the first time yesterday !
I'm now playing 5-5 15-15 45-45 ;D
Lovin the 4x :xd: :twisted: :LoL: :thumbsup:
Its got to happen at some point Twister. I am now 215/0 and im playing STILL for 4 units a win youve taken me over. ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 10, 05:36 AM 2011
Its got to happen at some point Twister. I am now 215/0 and I'm playing STILL for 4 units a win youve taken me over. ;D
Ure not wrong mate
I know and accept it will happen
As long as the Profit is higher than the losses, thats all that matters :thumbsup:
Now dont Jinx me lol :xd: :twisted: :lol:
how mutch wins on average an hour ?
and JL do you play 3 steps no trigger ?
and you twisteruk also 3 step no trigger ?
I didnt play MV yesterday only PB ;D
I still didnt loss but one day maiby :)
5 wins a day :)
Quote from: Post on Apr 10, 05:39 AM 2011
How mutch wins on average an hour ?
and JL do you play 3 steps no trigger ?
and you twisteruk also 3 step no trigger ?
Yes Post we both play like that. Since I now play both Dozens and Columns Im getting about two wins an hour. I always retrack the history bar so get an instant 20 spins to kick me off.
Quote from: Post on Apr 10, 05:39 AM 2011
How mutch wins on average an hour ?
and JL do you play 3 steps no trigger ?
and you twisteruk also 3 step no trigger ?
I don't keep track of wins per hour mate. Just my Balance and keep my stake relative to that
Yep 3 step no trigger playin dozens and columns :thumbsup:
I switch between Roulette and Baccarat :xd: :twisted: :LoL:
JL if you won like 200 units that means you played 100 hours already LOL ;)
3 live game and 3 5 pointers 4 wide thats enough to scare the crap out of me sorry john .
3 5 pointers in a row ?
ON 3 GAMES.the weird thing is the 5 pointers were on all the same dozen ex.33333 11111 33333. on each game.
But I like to see only one so I still win on the second step so whats the problem ? ???
Quote from: Post on Apr 10, 09:39 AM 2011
But I like to see only one so I still win on the second step so what's the problem ? ???
3 in row in one game is not a problem, on three different games.
One time we will lose with 4 wide and get 4 five pointers in a row.
So if only use 3 stepp it will bust.
Can use more stepps on progression or recover?
1.3.9.27.81.242?
But if it lose when use 6 stepps it will hurt for real 8)
I care about how much i win between the losses and if the losses not come in row its no problem to recover. But now ???
In this game all can happen and will one time.
Here is an idea I had regarding the matrix.
1 = 1A. (The 1 represents the first dozen and the A represents the first column.)
2 = 1B. (The 1 represents the first dozen and the B represents the second column.)
3 = 1C. (The 1 represents the first dozen and the C represents the third column.)
4 = 1A.
5 = 1B.
6 = 1C.
7 = 1A.
8 = 1B.
9 = 1C.
10 = 1A.
11 = 1B.
12 = 1C.
13 = 2A. (The 2 represents the second dozen and the A represents the first column.)
14 = 2B. (The 2 represents the second dozen and the B represents the second column.)
15 = 2C. (The 2 represents the second dozen and the C represents the third column.)
16 = 2A.
17 = 2B.
18 = 2C.
19 = 2A.
20 = 2B.
21 = 2C.
22 = 2A.
23 = 2B.
24 = 2C.
25 = 3A. (The 3 represents the third dozen and the A represents the first column.)
26 = 3B. (The 3 represents the third dozen and the B represents the second column.)
27 = 3C. (The 3 represents the third dozen and the C represents the third column.)
28 = 3A.
29 = 3B.
30 = 3C.
31 = 3A.
32 = 3B.
33 = 3C.
34 = 3A.
35 = 3B.
36 = 3C.
Here are some numbers I recorded from my session at the casino earlier this afternoon.
25
2
2
6
16
16
22
6
16
9
15
10
21
35
13
6
7
25
25
35
15
11
7
10
23
11
15
32
32
1
14
32
7
12
11
19
19
3
23
24
6
3
17
3
18
7
32
35
Now using my chart from above, let's feed them into a matrix and see what happens.
3A 1B 1B 1C
2A 2A 2A 1C
2A 1C 2C 1A
2C 3B 2A 1C
1A 3A 3A 3B
2C 1B 1A 1A
2B 1B 2C 3B
3B 1A 2B 3B
1A 1C 1B 2A
2A 1C 2B 2C
1C 1C 2B 1C
2C 1A 3B 3B
So there you have it.
If you go to the second line in the matrix and read across, you will see 2A 2A 2A.
Now here is where I would look for the 2A to break.
That would require me to play the following numbers.
2/3, 5/6, 8/9, 11/12, 26/27, 29/30, 32/33, 35/36. That comes to 8 splits.
You will find all the possible bets for this method will come to 8 splits.
That bet would have won because after 2A 2A 2A, you will see that 1C arrived.
The only other bet in the matrix was in the second column going down vertical.
You will see 1C 1C 1C.
I would look for the 1C to break.
That would require me to play the following numbers.
13/14, 16/17, 19/20, 22/23, 25/26, 28/29, 31/32, 34/35. Once again, only 8 splits.
That bet would also have won because after 1C 1C 1C, you will see that 1A arrived.
I like this bet because the outlay is less than playing two dozens. You could use a longer progression if you wanted. Also you are looking for a combination of a dozen AND a column together to keep repeating to defeat you.
I would play more or less the same way some of you guys are playing the other matrix ideas.
Play after the third repeat (as shown in the examples above) and if it does not win, wait for another three to appear and try again. Because you are only betting 8 splits, you should be able to stretch some kind of betting progression to allow this to be almost unbreakable.
I thought of this idea well doing my shopping early this morning when deciding between bananas or oranges. It just shows you my mind is pretty screwed up, LoL.
Good luck.
p.s. It's probably a good idea to stick a chip on the zero as well.
I thought of this idea well doing my shopping early this morning when deciding between bananas or oranges. It just shows you my mind is pretty screwed up, LoL.
Love it ;D
Quote from: warrior on Apr 10, 09:34 AM 2011
ON 3 GAMES.the weird thing is the 5 pointers were on all the same dozen ex.33333 11111 33333. on each game.
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same here. Actually two times and i stopped playing it. funny is did not get a winning section (5 units) yet with 4 wide. Maybe i can muster some courage to play again at some point later...
vundarosa
I'm sad to hear about losses...
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However it could be that a trigger 5 pointer first with a 3step is the best solution (26pts at risk)
Also someone posted that a trigger 5 pointer and then a 4step prog would be bulletproof!
Maybe the answer for greater safety is there?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 10, 12:01 PM 2011
I'm sad to hear about losses...
Also someone posted that a trigger 5 pointer and then a 4step prog would be bulletproof!
Maybe the answer for greater safety is there?
A.
Yes when all get 5 pointer it sould be no problem to use a trigger:)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 10, 12:05 PM 2011
Yes when all get 5 pointer it sould be no problem to use a trigger:)
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it actually makes perfect sense for those of us who seem to attract 5 pointers so quick :thumbsup:
vundarosa
Quote from: flukey luke on Apr 10, 10:56 AM 2011
3A 1B 1B 1C
2A 2A 2A 1C
2A 1C 2C 1A
2C 3B 2A 1C
1A 3A 3A 3B
2C 1B 1A 1A
2B 1B 2C 3B
3B 1A 2B 3B
1A 1C 1B 2A
2A 1C 2B 2C
1C 1C 2B 1C
2C 1A 3B 3B
that is a good idea :ooh:
Try and get a trigger 5 pointer and sitt all night and wait :D
It will never come when you wait for it :)
Just use more stepp of progression is the solution ?
Jon
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 10, 12:13 PM 2011
Try and get a trigger 5 pointer and sitt all night and wait :D
It will never come when you wait for it :)
Just use more stepp of progression is the solution ?
Jon
Hi Jon,
Another possibility is a progression I posted on Feb 12th:
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Here is another stake system for 2doz which *might* be adaptable for the MATRIX VERTICAL.
In which case it may be a viable alternative plan should it be evident that the strike rate continues to be so good..
You do not profit on EVERY WIN therefore you must play on; bearing in mind to ALWAYS play in accordance with the selection rules for MV.
Simply put:
On a loss the bet is increased one unit.
On a win, keep the bet the same until level or ahead
The bet is always the same for both dozens
Bet 1 = 1-1 L -2
Bet 2 = 2-2 L -6
Bet 3 = 3-3 L -15
Bet 4 = 4-4 W -11
Bet 5 = 4-4 L -19
Bet 6 = 5-5 W -14
Bet 7 = 5-5 W-9
Bet 8 = 5-5 W -4
Bet 9 = 5-5 W +1 *
Bet 1 = 1-1 L -2
Bet 2 = 2-2 W +0*
Bet 3 = 1-1 W +1*
It's actually called the King System and you can test it out at:
link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/king.html (link:://:.loothog.com/Systems/king.html)
Unfortunately, you cannot using MV rules - but you can get an idea of the mechanics.
Consider though that MV is stronger than the example dozen system used in the test, so in my opinion the King system for double dozens could be another choice to be considered...
But I know some won't like to use this...
Alternatively there is a smaller unit prog:
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Use MV5 with matrix4 columns and dozens:
Start with 0.5 - 0.5
Always incrementing after a loss by 0.5u
However, on a win the unit progression is reduced to the absolute minimum necessary to equal the previous high when close to a full recovery (the minimum being .5 -.5) so as to curtail rising stakes - otherwise despite any win achieved the stakes continue to rise each bet by 0.5u...
I do NOT using separate bankrolls for the columns and dozens.
Yes it can take longer to win a few units - but much safer with your bankroll should you ever encounter the dreaded long losing scenario
Cheers,
A.
Quote from: flukey luke on Apr 10, 10:56 AM 2011
Here is an idea I had regarding the matrix.
1 = 1A. (The 1 represents the first dozen and the A represents the first column.)
2 = 1B. (The 1 represents the first dozen and the B represents the second column.)
3 = 1C. (The 1 represents the first dozen and the C represents the third column.)
4 = 1A.
5 = 1B.
6 = 1C.
7 = 1A.
8 = 1B.
9 = 1C.
10 = 1A.
11 = 1B.
12 = 1C.
13 = 2A. (The 2 represents the second dozen and the A represents the first column.)
14 = 2B. (The 2 represents the second dozen and the B represents the second column.)
15 = 2C. (The 2 represents the second dozen and the C represents the third column.)
16 = 2A.
17 = 2B.
18 = 2C.
19 = 2A.
20 = 2B.
21 = 2C.
22 = 2A.
23 = 2B.
24 = 2C.
25 = 3A. (The 3 represents the third dozen and the A represents the first column.)
26 = 3B. (The 3 represents the third dozen and the B represents the second column.)
27 = 3C. (The 3 represents the third dozen and the C represents the third column.)
28 = 3A.
29 = 3B.
30 = 3C.
31 = 3A.
32 = 3B.
33 = 3C.
34 = 3A.
35 = 3B.
36 = 3C.
Here are some numbers I recorded from my session at the casino earlier this afternoon.
25
2
2
6
16
16
22
6
16
9
15
10
21
35
13
6
7
25
25
35
15
11
7
10
23
11
15
32
32
1
14
32
7
12
11
19
19
3
23
24
6
3
17
3
18
7
32
35
Now using my chart from above, let's feed them into a matrix and see what happens.
3A 1B 1B 1C
2A 2A 2A 1C
2A 1C 2C 1A
2C 3B 2A 1C
1A 3A 3A 3B
2C 1B 1A 1A
2B 1B 2C 3B
3B 1A 2B 3B
1A 1C 1B 2A
2A 1C 2B 2C
1C 1C 2B 1C
2C 1A 3B 3B
So there you have it.
If you go to the second line in the matrix and read across, you will see 2A 2A 2A.
Now here is where I would look for the 2A to break.
That would require me to play the following numbers.
2/3, 5/6, 8/9, 11/12, 26/27, 29/30, 32/33, 35/36. That comes to 8 splits.
You will find all the possible bets for this method will come to 8 splits.
That bet would have won because after 2A 2A 2A, you will see that 1C arrived.
The only other bet in the matrix was in the second column going down vertical.
You will see 1C 1C 1C.
I would look for the 1C to break.
That would require me to play the following numbers.
13/14, 16/17, 19/20, 22/23, 25/26, 28/29, 31/32, 34/35. Once again, only 8 splits.
That bet would also have won because after 1C 1C 1C, you will see that 1A arrived.
I like this bet because the outlay is less than playing two dozens. You could use a longer progression if you wanted. Also you are looking for a combination of a dozen AND a column together to keep repeating to defeat you.
I would play more or less the same way some of you guys are playing the other matrix ideas.
Play after the third repeat (as shown in the examples above) and if it does not win, wait for another three to appear and try again. Because you are only betting 8 splits, you should be able to stretch some kind of betting progression to allow this to be almost unbreakable.
I thought of this idea well doing my shopping early this morning when deciding between bananas or oranges. It just shows you my mind is pretty screwed up, LoL.
Good luck.
p.s. It's probably a good idea to stick a chip on the zero as well.
Thats really impressive :thumbsup:
You play vertical as well as horizontal ?
Have you tried other Matix like 5x 7x etc or is 4x the preferred choice ?
Thanx for sharing :thumbsup:
Twister,
This is really my first look into this whole matrix idea. I like the concept of it.
With this idea, I don't know if there would be enough bets waiting for any more than 3 qualifiers. (maybe 4 at a push)
I think this could be played both vetical and horizontal otherwise there will not be many bets.
I will spend a few days doing some testing and come back with my results.
At the end of the day, if it can produce a few units profit more often than not, what more can any of us ask for.
Thanks guys for giving me some inspiration to come up with the idea. :thumbsup:
Quote from: flukey luke on Apr 10, 12:41 PM 2011
Twister,
This is really my first look into this whole matrix idea. I like the concept of it.
With this idea, I don't know if there would be enough bets waiting for any more than 3 qualifiers. (maybe 4 at a push)
I think this could be played both vetical and horizontal otherwise there will not be many bets.
I will spend a few days doing some testing and come back with my results.
At the end of the day, if it can produce a few units profit more often than not, what more can any of us ask for.
Thanks guys for giving me some inspiration to come up with the idea. :thumbsup:
Hi FlukeyLuke,
I agree. Nice idea. I am not so sure about the horizontals though... but hey, if it works because of the doz/col combo link then it is just great :)
I had thought about recording that way for cols and doz to save recording in 2 separate matrices; but never thought about SPLITS!
Thanks,
A.
Quote from: flukey luke on Apr 10, 12:41 PM 2011
Twister,
This is really my first look into this whole matrix idea. I like the concept of it.
With this idea, I don't know if there would be enough bets waiting for any more than 3 qualifiers. (maybe 4 at a push)
I think this could be played both vetical and horizontal otherwise there will not be many bets.
I will spend a few days doing some testing and come back with my results.
At the end of the day, if it can produce a few units profit more often than not, what more can any of us ask for.
Thanks guys for giving me some inspiration to come up with the idea. :thumbsup:
Flukey
Look at the doubles in ure Matrix not becomin Trebles
To me that really stands out, based soley on this one example of course
It needs lookin into for sure
I will do some testin also :thumbsup:
I would suggest you start a new thread with ure post about this as post one and lock it until testin has started. Just a suggestion, up to you of course :)
Has anyone tryed running matrixes against sectors or streets? or would that progression be too high?
incekt look into another thread there is a system for streets out there :thumbsup:
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 10, 12:27 PM 2011
Hi Jon,
Another possibility is a progression I posted on Feb 12th:
But I know some won't like to use this...
Alternatively there is a smaller unit prog:
Cheers,
A.
Do you play the King System ?
Jon
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 10, 12:28 PM 2011
that's really impressive :thumbsup:
You play vertical as well as horizontal ?
Have you tried other Matix like 5x 7x etc or is 4x the preferred choice ?
thanks for sharing :thumbsup:
or we could push it the other way,bet numbers and letters separate,you get 3A,BET FOR BC,when we get 3(1) we bet for 2 and 3 and when we get say 4(1A) bet 2B,2C,3B,3C
Hello again guys.
I stuck my idea in the Testing Zone section and I am going to do some testing with it over the next few days.
Let's not get too carried away and move away from the original idea in this thread.
Feel free to post any of your ideas or testing results over in the Testing Zone section.
thanks.
Quote from: flukey luke on Apr 10, 01:10 PM 2011
Hello again guys.
I stuck my idea in the Testing Zone section and I am going to do some testing with it over the next few days.
Let's not get too carried away and move away from the original idea in this thread.
Feel free to post any of your ideas or testing results over in the Testing Zone section.
thanks.
Wont hurt to test it out eh guys !?!?
See if its Doubles or Trips that work best etc :thumbsup:
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 10, 12:54 PM 2011
Do you play the King System ?
Jon
Hi Jon,
If playing MV5 I have been sticking to the rules and using the waiting for a trigger and then using 3STEP 1-1,3-3,9-9. I haven't done many test sessions but I have won them all usually quitting when +1 or +2.
I have used similar variant to KING in some other posted ideas involving double dozen bets.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 10, 01:48 PM 2011
Hi Jon,
If playing MV5 I have been sticking to the rules and using the waiting for a trigger and then using 3STEP 1-1,3-3,9-9. I haven't done many test sessions but I have won them all usually quitting when +1 or +2.
I have used similar variant to KING in some other posted ideas involving double dozen bets.
A.
Thanks :)
I have play MV 5 without trigger and i am still alive so far :D
Jon
Quote from: atlantis link=topic=4563. msg46579#msg46579 date=1302454004
Hi FlukeyLuke,
I agree. Nice idea. I am not so sure about the horizontals though. . . but hey, if it works because of the doz/col combo link then it is just great :)
I had thought about recording that way for cols and doz to save recording in 2 separate matrices; but never thought about SPLITS!
Thanks,
A.
i dont think using horizontals is a good idea coz ive experienced 14 numbers at the same dozen come up just yesterday
just tested some spins it was in the first 100 spins i got i quad so the game was on and then i saw 4 five pointers in a row 4 wide in my first 200 so spins won on the 5th step if you even had one :o
wiesbaden live spins
was that doz post??
I saw 4, 5 pointers on a 5 wide grid .. i give up watching then
4 wide won 100% of that session
I feel we are getting mixed results at the min.. need to do more of my own testing when i get chance
it was dozens strato ;) 4 wide yes
hI was just testing how about playing even chances like this using 4 wide grid wait for a trigger 5 pointer say high or low then bet the coming quads with progression 1-2-4-8 max loss 15 ;)
Quote from: Post on Apr 10, 03:27 PM 2011
Just tested some spins it was in the first 100 spins I got I quad so the game was on and then I saw 4 five pointers in a row 4 wide in my first 200 so spins won on the 5th step if you even had one :o
wiesbaden live spins
The more people test, the more we will see things like this.
Ok this is page 60 and so far we see ONE 4 x 5 pointer on a 4 wide grid
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 04:30 PM 2011
Ok this is page 60 and so far we see ONE 4 x 5 pointer on a 4 wide grid
Just keep playing :) i still play 5 sessions a day with MV 4 quad to and win :D
Jon
So far i got to step three on 2 occasions now but still winning without trigger :thumbsup:
Maybe in future once i've built up more bankroll i will wait for a trigger and play with bigger chips to make the waiting worth while.
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 05:21 PM 2011
So far I got to step three on 2 occasions now but still winning without trigger :thumbsup:
Maybe in future once i've built up more bankroll I will wait for a trigger and play with bigger chips to make the waiting worth while.
Exactly :)
Thats the way to do it. 1 or 2 sessions a day :)
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 10, 05:27 PM 2011
Exactly :)
that's the way to do it. 1 or 2 sessions a day :)
1 or 2 sessions for me is like 80p using my 20p chips
BUT
I made ÂÃ,£60 so far with a start of ÂÃ,£20
BUT before you laugh, with 10p chips that ÂÃ,£60 is a
600 UNIT BANKROLL :twisted: :smile: :o :thumbsup:
which live casino do u use that u can bet 10p chips
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 05:32 PM 2011
1 or 2 sessions for me is like 80p using my 20p chips
BUT
I made ÂÃ,£60 so far with a start of ÂÃ,£20
BUT before you laugh, with 10p chips that ÂÃ,£60 is a
600 UNIT BANKROLL :twisted: :smile: :o :thumbsup:
Yes :) i will not laugh its good result. No different than play with 10$ unit only different value. :)
Thats real good result ZigZag :)
:thumbsup:
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 10, 05:39 PM 2011
Which live casino do you use that you can bet 10p chips
Paddy Power slingshot :thumbsup:
I did go on live dealer a few time so about ÂÃ,£10 of it was made with ÂÃ,£1 chips as couldnt resit although would have been dangerous for me as only had enough for 1 bank and no chance to recover
you guys like to try 3,4,5,6,7 digit matrixes,.... but have you ever tryed just 2 digit?
Quote from: incekt on Apr 10, 11:36 PM 2011
You guys like to try 3,4,5,6,7 digit matrixes,.... but have you ever tryed just 2 digit?
Tried that few days ago. I got a 5 x 5 pointers within first 200 spins :-\
Quote from: incekt on Apr 10, 11:36 PM 2011
You guys like to try 3,4,5,6,7 digit matrixes,.... but have you ever tryed just 2 digit?
I think JL tried 2x and said it didnt perform so good. Its way back in this thread somewhere
What U guys should try, is a Matrix Variable
3 lines, then:-
4 lines, then:-
6 lines, then:-
2 lines, then:-
7 lines, then:-
4 lines, then:-
5 lines, then:-
2 lines, then:-
and so on.
They are ALL an Illusionary bet.
So "Potentially" can win/lose just the same as any other Matrix.
(Its only the progression, (like in any bet) that keeps u going!)
Quote from: kiamessi on Apr 10, 02:09 PM 2011
i don't think using horizontals is a good idea because I've experienced 14 numbers at the same dozen come up just yesterday
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14 of same dozen consecutively?! :o
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 11, 10:08 AM 2011
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14 of same dozen consecutively?! :o
vundarosa
Its nothing. Ask Twister how many he has seen ? ;D
Quote from: jon86 on Apr 11, 10:56 AM 2011
Its nothing. Ask Twister how many he has seen ? ;D
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not the same dozen missing for 30 times like he says,
but the same dozen repeating for 14 consecutively times?! :o
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 11, 11:10 AM 2011
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not the same dozen missing for 30 times like he says, but the same dozen repeating for 14 consecutively times?! :o
vundarosa
Ahh! Sorry i missunderstand :)
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 11, 11:10 AM 2011
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not the same dozen missing for 30 times like he says, but the same dozen repeating for 14 consecutively times?! :o
vundarosa
Vundarosa only you can run into 14 repeaters on the same dozen, that is quite rare. 10-11 tends to be the normal long streaks
The vertical concept was developed for a reason RANDOM has no problem stringing chains of the same dozen together left to right.
Because its natural, having to go around a cycle and plant the same done in the same place is another matter. Thats why MV5 works.
Does any one have the link for the software i can't seem to find the link.
Quote from: Kingspin on Apr 11, 12:07 PM 2011
Does any one have the link for the software I can't seem to find the link.
What software you looking for KingSpin? You mean for PatterBreaker maiby?
Cheers
Jon :)
Yes i think i found the pattern breaker , is any one winning with this software, looks like we need to sit doing a lot of tracking though.
Quote from: Kingspin on Apr 11, 12:46 PM 2011
Yes I think I found the pattern breaker , is any one winning with this software, looks like we need to sit doing a lot of tracking though.
Yes its good. Read the hole tread as we bet for the last pattern and not against it now. It has high win rate and good MM and easy to recover after a loss :)
Jon
How many softwares do we have for these systems john , i downloaded a enter the matrix
software where i bet a number of vertical dozens not forming, is there another software i have missed.
Quote from: vundarosa link=topic=4563. msg46808#msg46808 date=1302530888
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14 of same dozen consecutively?! :o
vundarosa
yes it is, all numbers on the scoreboard were like on the first dozen and then 1 number on the 2nd, then 14 consecutive small numbers came up ???
what do you guys think about betting on even chances in form of the matrix say bet against 5 pointers on a high low matrix 4 wide ?
Is any one actually winning good money with this matrix stuff , waiting for matrixes to fill up is so boring on a real wheel i think i would fall asleep or miss a crucial bet once my bladder needs emptying :-\
i did that post its not as good, double doz covers 66% of the board when its time to bet that 1 shot you covered more.
lesser progression though.
i tried this an it works good write high / low down in matrix 5 times bet it that random cant repeat that 5 pattern. 5 x progression on even chance steep so maybe collaspse when loss hits .. i dunno just another bad idea!!!
well i played with a trigger 4 wide betting against 5 pointers and i am up 32 my progression is 1-2-4-8 so 15 and so i am working my third bank it took me to the last step a couple of times but didnt bust yet and this were continious spins no pauses just play play play already had more succes than with the dozens till now. ;)
Quote from: Kingspin on Apr 11, 04:59 PM 2011
Is any one actually winning good money with this matrix stuff , waiting for matrixes to fill up is so boring on a real wheel I think I would fall asleep or miss a crucial bet once my bladder needs emptying :-\
Ive made 900 units so far from 225 won games. This method is worth the wait Kingspin, the attitude you convey is one of the main reasons ROULETTE still rides the myth of invincibility.
It used to take me 5 hours a day to travel to and from work. Now in that span of time my methods earn more for me. THIS is the context you measure things in Kingspin.
A GAMBLER WITH NO PATIENCE IS DOOMED.
Quote from: Post on Apr 11, 04:48 PM 2011
What do you guys think about betting on even chances in form of the matrix say bet against 5 pointers on a high low matrix 4 wide ?
Nice Post
I did try it many weeks ago on a 7 wide but was flat betting against trips for + 3. Not tried it yet on a 4 wide with progression but will re visit it some day.
Don't want to break my winning streak on the dozens ;)
Quote from: Kingspin on Apr 11, 04:59 PM 2011
Is any one actually winning good money with this matrix stuff , waiting for matrixes to fill up is so boring on a real wheel I think I would fall asleep or miss a crucial bet once my bladder needs emptying :-\
I still win. 5 sessions a day. But slow. First time i try 5 wide and wait for 5 point trigger wait all night :D and go to bed without even one trigger. LOL
It works great :)
But patient is key here :)
Cheers.
Jon
I got taken to the 3rd step 3 times yesterday but all 3 Won ;D
I alternate it with PB on Baccarat :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Slingshot has took my to 3rd step twice now (without trigger) both on the cols but i'm so far ahead using different matrix over last few weeks and of course PB that a loss here or there wouldnt worry me :wink:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 12, 05:53 AM 2011
Slingshot has took my to 3rd step twice now (without trigger) both on the cols but i'm so far ahead using different matrix over last few weeks and of course PB that a loss here or there wouldnt worry me :wink:
:thumbsup:
I have another question is that when should we jump into the game and start writing down the numbers? Should we wait for the newest number to come up or just randomly pick numbers have already come up?
Is anybody using a trigger on 5 wide ?
Jon
I only use trigger on RNG not live.
Is anyone using trigger live to ?
Jon
Anyone has ideas about my question? Im really confused of that step coz it may lead to either very good or bad results
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 10, 05:45 PM 2011
Paddy Power slingshot :thumbsup:
I did go on live dealer a few time so about ÂÃ,£10 of it was made with ÂÃ,£1 chips as couldnt resit although would have been dangerous for me as only had enough for 1 bank and no chance to recover
Zig Zag, from little acorns grow mighty oaks. Youre doing it perfectly. And when you eventually have a BR big enough to use pound chips youll know you literally started from nothing.
i am stil havinglots of succes on even chances on a 4 wide grid betting against 5 pointers its unbelieveble and that was continious testing no short sessions just win win win with a bankroll of 15
Quote from: Post on Apr 12, 11:35 AM 2011
I am stil havinglots of success on even chances on a 4 wide grid betting against 5 pointers its unbelieveble and that was continious testing no short sessions just win win win with a bankroll of 15
Whats your strikerate so far Post, have you ever lost?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 12, 11:18 AM 2011
Zig Zag, from little acorns grow mighty oaks. Youre doing it perfectly. And when you eventually have a BR big enough to use pound chips youll know you literally started from nothing.
Im sooo tempted to withdraw half but that would mean going back to 10p chips which took me FOREVER to build up!!! :o :lol:
Zig Zag, glad you are winning :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 12, 11:52 AM 2011
I'm sooo tempted to withdraw half but that would mean going back to 10p chips which took me FOREVER to build up!!! :o :LoL:
LOL ;D
Dont withdraw now when you have build up so good :)
Jon
4 Wide is perfect Matrix for live wheel ;D
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 12, 11:57 AM 2011
Zig Zag, glad you are winning :thumbsup:
Thanks proofreader :xd:
Jon no i couldnt bear to do that. I just got to keep my chips in proportion with the bank and not raise it too high. Keep it at around 10x bank
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 12, 11:52 AM 2011
I'm sooo tempted to withdraw half but that would mean going back to 10p chips which took me FOREVER to build up!!! :o :LoL:
Its about unit value Zig, if you keep going and get to a level where your base bet is 50p you will make profit faster. The skys the limit my friend. Build, build build that financial fortress...
JL
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 12, 12:21 PM 2011
Its about unit value Zig, if you keep going and get to a level where your base bet is 50p you will make profit faster. The skys the limit my friend. Build, build build that financial fortress...
JL
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 12, 12:21 PM 2011
Its about unit value Zig, if you keep going and get to a level where your base bet is 50p you will make profit faster. The skys the limit my friend. Build, build build that financial fortress...
JL
50p base is my next target :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 12, 12:37 PM 2011
50p base is my next target :thumbsup:
:thumbsup:
Its the right attitud and with that you will get far in life Zig :)
I was building my third bank when I lost I was up 32 still 17 up that was playing continous without ! money management......
Quote from: Post on Apr 12, 03:05 PM 2011
I was building my third bank when I lost I was up 32 still 17 up that was playing continous without ! money management......
So you lost 15 ? What progression were you usin mate ?
even chances so 1-2-4-8 High low betting against 5 pointer 4 wide
Quote from: kiamessi link=topic=4563. msg46945#msg46945 date=1302614259
I have another question is that when should we jump into the game and start writing down the numbers? Should we wait for the newest number to come up or just randomly pick numbers have already come up?
noone answers me this question ??? ???
Quote from: kiamessi on Apr 12, 04:23 PM 2011
no one answers me this question ??? ???
Hi mate
You can write down upto the last 20 in order from oldiest to newiest on the marque
Thanks mate
Quote from: Post on Apr 12, 11:35 AM 2011
I am stil havinglots of success on even chances on a 4 wide grid betting against 5 pointers its unbelieveble and that was continious testing no short sessions just win win win with a bankroll of 15
Hi Post :)
Do you track all even chance or only High and Low?
Maiby you can explain to me ? ;D
Cheers
Jon :)
Well to start of just high low far most succesful
red and black is another world :o and it ain't a good one ! I can tell you that
haven't been testing odd even though
i played 4 wide with a 5 pointer as trigger betting al the quads after that
lost my progression when building my third bank have to say I didn't reached that far with any of the other matrixes CONTINIOUS testing so verry interesting especially when playing WITH money management if I only avoided that one maybe I would be building a 6 bank or so
progression is 1-2-4-8 15 total ;)
Ive not tested HL against 5 pointers on a 4 wide before BUT
a 4 step for just 15 units
i will have to give it a try ;D :thumbsup:
Quote from: Post on Apr 13, 09:21 AM 2011
Well to start of just high low far most succesful
red and black is another world :o and it ain't a good one ! I can tell you that
haven't been testing odd even though
i played 4 wide with a 5 pointer as trigger betting al the quads after that
lost my progression when building my third bank have to say I didn't reached that far with any of the other matrixes CONTINIOUS testing so verry interesting especially when playing WITH money management if I only avoided that one maybe I would be building a 6 bank or so
progression is 1-2-4-8 15 total ;)
Thanks ;D
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 13, 09:42 AM 2011
I've not tested HL against 5 pointers on a 4 wide before BUT
a 4 step for just 15 units
i will have to give it a try ;D :thumbsup:
My thoughts exactly Zig
Quote from: Post on Apr 13, 09:21 AM 2011
Well to start of just high low far most succesful
red and black is another world :o and it ain't a good one ! I can tell you that
haven't been testing odd even though
i played 4 wide with a 5 pointer as trigger betting al the quads after that
lost my progression when building my third bank have to say I didn't reached that far with any of the other matrixes CONTINIOUS testing so verry interesting especially when playing WITH money management if I only avoided that one maybe I would be building a 6 bank or so
progression is 1-2-4-8 15 total ;)
why do you think H/L performs differently to R/B ? Or do you think its just lack of comparable data ?
it behaves different i can tell you you cant trust red black but high low you can trust for sure ;)
Quote from: Twisteruk on Apr 13, 11:00 AM 2011
why do you think H/L performs differently to R/B ? Or do you think its just lack of comparable data ?
I think its there placing on the layout possibly but ive studied red black and they tend to string out longer streaks than hi low. I have an update for 250 games played and I've suffered my first loss. Here are the numbers.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 250
TOTAL GAMES WON 249
BALANCE 896 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 249/1
STEP 1 WINS 173
STEP 2 WINS 52
STEP 3 WINS 24-LOSSES 1
The loss came with the columns. Next update 300 games completed.
already testing hig low somone ?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 13, 11:13 AM 2011
I think its there placing on the layout possibly but I've studied red black and they tend to string out longer streaks than hi low. I have an update for 250 games played and I've suffered my first loss. Here are the numbers.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 250
TOTAL GAMES WON 249
BALANCE 896 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 249/1
STEP 1 WINS 173
STEP 2 WINS 52
STEP 3 WINS 24-LOSSES 1
The loss came with the columns. Next update 300 games completed.
Good results John :)
Quote from: Post on Apr 13, 12:33 PM 2011
Already testing hig low somone ?
I only had time to do short test tonight on the HL matrix.
Was suprised the quads on the HL didnt come as quick as i thought but thats a good sign too
Had 3 bets for + 3
Highiest bet was 2
Looks quite solid. Will play this more tommorow alongside the dozens :thumbsup:
Here is a little side bet I like to do using small chips. You can get very very long runs.
Stop at + 5 NOT TO BE PLAYED CONTINUOUS
4 wide grid played on the dozens
2323
3211
3231 L W
When there is a match on the FIRST LINE (1st line in red 3rd doz) bet the next 3 dozens to the right NOT TO MATCH
In this example you win on 3rd doz as did not match the 1st doz above.
When NOT to bet
No bet if you see a full line of 1111 2222 or 3333 OR there is a zero on the above line
I like to cover zero on step 2 and 3
Quote from: Post on Apr 13, 09:21 AM 2011
Well to start of just high low far most succesful
red and black is another world :o and it ain't a good one ! I can tell you that
haven't been testing odd even though
i played 4 wide with a 5 pointer as trigger betting al the quads after that
lost my progression when building my third bank have to say I didn't reached that far with any of the other matrixes CONTINIOUS testing so verry interesting especially when playing WITH money management if I only avoided that one maybe I would be building a 6 bank or so
progression is 1-2-4-8 15 total ;)
How is this going Post ?
An update would be most appreciated :thumbsup:
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 14, 05:36 PM 2011
Here is a little side bet I like to do using small chips. You can get very very long runs.
Stop at + 5 NOT TO BE PLAYED CONTINUOUS
4 wide grid played on the dozens
2323
3211
3231 L W
When there is a match on the FIRST LINE (1st line in red 3rd doz) bet the next 3 dozens to the right NOT TO MATCH
In this example you win on 3rd doz as did not match the 1st doz above.
When NOT to bet
No bet if you see a full line of 1111 2222 or 3333 OR there is a zero on the above line
I like to cover zero on step 2 and 3
Nice touches Zig, with all the interest in the PATTERN BREAKER concept, I hope you guys continue to test and play MV5. Overall its still the BEST SYSTEM ever as far as Im concerned for PURE STRIKERATE. Im now 270/1 betting DOZENS and COLUMNS in a 4 WIDE MATRIX. Using a three step PROGRESSION. And that one loss came on the columns.
FIVE, 5 POINTERS in a FOUR WIDE GRID looks to me like something that random will produce so rarely its basically of no significance. If you have the patience to play MV5. You join the roulette killer club.
If anybody thinks roulette is unbeatable, they need to play MV5. And the result will be a turnaround in his/hers thinking. No matter what other methods I play today and in the future. MV5 will be played by me for the rest of my life. ITS INCREDIBLE..
John,
Honestly mate i cant keep up with your "holly Grail" system anymore lol i go away for a month just about caught the hang of the 7x7 grid matrix which was unstoppable at the time now i come back and its forgotten an this new one has come into play with quintets or what ever it is :) i need some very easy to understand guide lines on how to play this now!
Should i leave the 7x7 matrix hoping trips dont form into quads? is that last weeks news now?
Just trying to figure out when this will all stop and i can just learn ONE system that WILL work cheers- Theway2go
Quote from: theway2go on Apr 16, 10:17 PM 2011
John,
Honestly mate I can't keep up with your "holy grail" system anymore LoL I go away for a month just about caught the hang of the 7x7 grid matrix which was unstoppable at the time now I come back and its forgotten an this new one has come into play with quintets or what ever it is :) I need some very easy to understand guide lines on how to play this now!
Should I leave the 7x7 matrix hoping trips don't form into quads? is that last weeks news now?
Just trying to figure out when this will all stop and I can just learn ONE system that WILL work cheers- Theway2go
I KNOW Theway2go. BUT THIS IS IT!!! Weve arrived at the ultimate format and Betting against FIVE POINTERS forming for both DOZENS and COLUMNS in a FOUR WIDE MATRIX is the ULTIMATE conclusion.
Also playing against HI and LO in the same format looks AMAZING. And when you consider its half the risk for a faster TURNOVER. WELL. Learn this, stay with this and go forward... ;D
so john did u play mv5 betting on ec? F so what is strike rate?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 17, 06:34 AM 2011
So john did you play mv5 betting on ec? F so what is strike rate?
Ive only just started playing it at the same time as P4 ROBEENHUUT, Ive got 40/0 already playing TRIPS to not become FIVE POINTERS. When you think about it, this is safer than QUADS not to become FIVE POINTERS. As there could be a run of 5 FIVE POINTERS punctuated by no QUADS, but a trip in there somewhere. Its an attractive proposition with faster turnover. and two shots instead of one at every FIVE POINTER. As your outlay is half as much as the 2/1 SHOTS.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 17, 07:20 AM 2011
I've only just started playing it at the same time as P4 ROBEENHUUT, I've got 40/0 already playing TRIPS to not become FIVE POINTERS. When you think about it, this is safer than QUADS not to become FIVE POINTERS. As there could be a run of 5 FIVE POINTERS punctuated by no QUADS, but a trip in there somewhere. Its an attractive proposition with faster turnover. and two shots instead of one at every FIVE POINTER. As your outlay is half as much as the 2/1 SHOTS.
Could you please give an example of how you play this John
Hi John
Matrix MV5 is the most i play. This is the one that is standing the test of time with me so far, but i have just started playing 5 pointers on HL at same time although i have not had much time at the wheel to test over long period, but so far its looking very good.
I'm using a 4 step marty for HL :thumbsup:
John its interesting that your playing the EC trips against 5 pointers. Are you using 2 seperate banks, one for trips against quads, 2nd bank quads against 5 pointers?
Quote from: ZigZag on Apr 17, 07:44 AM 2011
Hi John
Matrix MV5 is the most I play. This is the one that is standing the test of time with me so far, but I have just started playing 5 pointers on HL at same time although I have not had much time at the wheel to test over long period, but so far its looking very good.
I'm using a 4 step marty for HL :thumbsup:
Same here. MV5 is a winner.
I play it every day 5 session and hope in a while to be able to play with higher value units so its enough to play this 5 sessions a day :)
Jon
Quote from: ROB22 on Apr 17, 07:43 AM 2011
Could you please give an example of how you play this John
HLHL
HLLL
HHL0-Trigger col 1 HIGHS
LHLH-WIN BET 1 as did not become a QUAD
HLHH
HHLH-Trigger col 4 HIGHS
LHHH-LOST BET 1
LLHL-WON BET 2 as did not become a FIVE POINTER.
hi john betting against 3pts becoming 5pts makes perfect sense coz a quad is in itself a rare appearance what about f we bet against doubles becoming 5pts higher br but faster turnover
Looks like Ophis has his work cut out (Even-Chance Matrix, Pattern Breaker, Pattern Filler...)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 17, 09:22 AM 2011
Looks like Ophis has his work cut out (Even-Chance Matrix, Pattern Breaker, Pattern Filler...)
I will stick my neck out right now and state this clearly. PLAYING HI/LO In a 4 WIDE MATRIX for TRIPS/DOUBLES to not become FIVE POINTERS *WHATEVER* Is the ACCESSABLE HOLY GRAIL. It will take random down all the way. I have now won 45 straight games without seeing more than two five pointers in a row. The turnover is superb. so Americans can take this to their local casino. And its just a dream online live. The attractive proposition of a SYSTEM with a great strikerate and small outlay wil prove irresistable. Even XXVV shouldn't be able to report negative on this. Or Ophis. ;D :o ;D :o
:)s
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 17, 08:23 AM 2011
HLHL
HLLL
HHL0-Trigger col 1 HIGHS
LHLH-WIN BET 1 as did not become a QUAD
HLHH
HHLH-Trigger col 4 HIGHS
LHHH-LOST BET 1
LLHL-WON BET 2 as did not become a FIVE POINTER.
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After testing 400 spins on RNG of which i did not go over step 2 i decide to go
LIVE REAL MONEY
LHHH
LLLH
HLHH
HLHH --l-1
HHHH --w+1, l+0
LLHL --w+2,
HHLH
HLLL
HHLH
HHHL --l+1,w+3
HHLH --l+2
L0HL --l+0
HLHL --w+3
LHLL
LHHL --l+2
LLLH --w+4
Hxxx --w+5
playing withs:
1)1u-2u
2)3u-6u for recovery then go back to step 1
This is THE gem!
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 17, 10:01 AM 2011
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After testing 400 spins on RNG of which I did not go over step 2 I decide to go
LIVE REAL MONEY
LHHH
LLLH
HLHH
HLHH --l-1
HHHH --w+1, l+0
LLHL --w+2,
HHLH
HLLL
HHLH
HHHL --l+1,w+3
HHLH --l+2
L0HL --l+0
HLHL --w+3
LHLL
LHHL --l+2
LLLH --w+4
Hxxx --w+5
playing withs:
1)1u-2u
2)3u-6u for recovery then go back to step 1
This is THE gem!
vundarosa
It most certainly is Vundarosa, study those 20 spin blocks and see how you will be able to virtually know when TRIPS, QUADS and FIVE POINTERS are on the way. MATRIX VERTICAL 5 E/C=THE HOLY GRAIL. I would advise everyone to start testing/ playing this right now. Its the one weve all been waiting for. I have no doubt if enough people get hold of this. There will be more concern in the industry than when the Palaya family between 1990--94 gave european casinos a good hiding. ;D
:) yeah john we can start tracking doubles and pick up some easy wins on d way to 5pts faster games with longer progression i see only advantages thx 4 mv5 d concept is great
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 17, 10:14 AM 2011
:) yeah john we can start tracking doubles and pick up some easy wins on d way to 5pts faster games with longer progression I see only advantages thanks 4 mv5 d concept is great
You are welcome Robeenhuut. Thank also Twister, Atlantis Scooby Doo and Zig Zag. Their positive thinking and relentless persistence has brought us to something special. I normally play 5 SYSTEMS throughout the week. NEXT WEEK I PLAY ONLY ONE. I want to see how awesome this really is. MATRIX VERTICAL 5 E/C. It could become casinos WORST NIGHTMARE. Its up to the people, its there for you now. no excuses not even our American friends. ;)
Another Live section,
1) 1u-2u
2) 3u-6u for recovery after double loss, then back to step 1
I also bet after a column has 6 of the same EC, using a marty.
HHLH
LHLL
HHLH
LLLL --W+1,L+0
LHLH --L-2
LHLH
LHLH --L-5 (step2),L-6
HHHL --w+0 (step2),L-1,w+2,w+3
LHLL --L+2
LHLH
LLLH --W+3
HHHL --W+4,W+5
vundarosa
can you tell me if this has been seen before im playing betfair rng
HHHL
LHHL
LHHL
LHHL
LHHL
L
I CANT BELIEVE THIS HAS HAPPENED
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 17, 11:05 AM 2011
Can you tell me if this has been seen before I'm playing betfair rng
HHHL
LHHL
LHHL
LHHL
LHHL
L
I can't BELIEVE THIS HAS HAPPENED
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To be honest when I started debating about playing for real money I was thinking of very improbable spins that could defeat this (like the one you have) and saw that i needed a 3rd step which I do. So I actually play with 50 units in a
1) 1u-2u
2) 3u-6u
3) 12u-24u
just in case i run into something this crazy.... but how likely really for this to happen in the real live dealer wheel?!....dunno, maybe some of the oldies will say that have seen this on a live wheel....
vundarosa
Hi vunderosa,
I expect this can happen more times than you would think...
A.
i was so shocked by this that i never recorded the next four spins in hindsight i should have, anybody else had this sort of thing happen or am i just the unlucky one, dont think we have a grail here sorry
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 17, 12:59 PM 2011
I was so shocked by this that I never recorded the next four spins in hindsight I should have, anybody else had this sort of thing happen or am I just the unlucky one, don't think we have a grail here sorry
Just play the orginal MV5 4 Wide against 5 pointers and you have the grail.
Aim for five wins a day and build so you play with higher value units :)
Cheers
Jon
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 17, 12:59 PM 2011
I was so shocked by this that I never recorded the next four spins in hindsight I should have, anybody else had this sort of thing happen or am I just the unlucky one, don't think we have a grail here sorry
Joiner29 you are playing an RNG what do you expect? They cheat end of story. The whole point of taking MV5 TO E/C is to get a faster turnover so we can play it on the only medium we can trust. LIVE WHEELS. So don't be playing RNGS that's a no no. Jons right an absolute grail is DOZENS and COLUMNS played MV5 But you can wait for it.
I have now completed 60 games LIVE. And am 60/0 Im playing for five wins a session.
Would anybody be willing to make a simple software like someone did for the dozen matrix where the user just inputs the data then it tells you when to bet and what progession it was so simple to follow! Would be GREATLY appreciated guys :-[
Quote from: theway2go on Apr 19, 11:30 AM 2011
Would anybody be willing to make a simple software like someone did for the dozen matrix where the user just inputs the data then it tells you when to bet and what progession it was so simple to follow! Would be GREATLY appreciated guys :-[
Just use the tracker that we have and bet when you see 4 vertical:)
I use it :)
Cheers
Jon
"I have now completed 60 games LIVE. And am 60/0 I'm playing for five wins a session."-JohnLegend
How many sessions per day?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 19, 06:31 PM 2011
"I have now completed 60 games LIVE. And am 60/0 I'm playing for five wins a session."-JohnLegend
How many sessions per day?
4 Wide and against 5 pointers right? Dozen and colum?
Cheers
Jon
370 session complete. I was not gonna post any result before past 400.
370 sessions played.
9 sessions lost.
recovered on next 2 games with progression.
i have not encounter 2 loss in a row. I had 1 loss and 3 session next thats the closest loss to 2 session.
I love this method but i can be crazy when i sitt at night and no 4 pointer in 1-2 hours. So its a system for the pattient ;D
But what the H--- its worth the profit.
Only real wheel with live dealer.
Cheers
Jon
john how many 5 pointer in a row have you seen??
Cheers
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 23, 02:27 PM 2011
John how many 5 pointer in a row have you seen??
Cheers
Dont know if you mean me(Jon) or John :)
I have seen five 5 pointer in a row but only one time. This could easy be overcome with progression 1.3.9.27.81.242 and so on. But if lose it will hurt :) i only bet 1.3.9 and double on recover instead.
We will see more sessions.
cheers john
i think you got it right , i have seen a four 5 pointers in a row but i like your recovery tactic, and progression that wont hurt so bad in the morning..
cheers
Quote from: strato1985 on Apr 23, 03:08 PM 2011
Cheers john
i think you got it right , I have seen a four 5 pointers in a row but I like your recovery tactic, and progression that wont hurt so bad in the morning..
cheers
Yes its better to double in recovery next couple games since obvious this doesnt lose in a row than my wife must call 911 and get me to hospital beacuse of heart attack after progress to H***. :D :D
I have 9 lose and 8 was 4 pointer and 1 time 5 in a row :)
Its good method.
Jon
OKAY its update time on what I consider THE MASTER SYSTEM of them all.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400
TOTAL GAMES WON 395
TOTAL GAMES LOST 5
CURRENT BALANCE=1080 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 79/1
Notable statistics 4 of my five losses occurred on the COLUMNS.
Four FIVE POINTERS is the worst result over 400 games played and this has only happenned once. I'm playing a straight 3 STEP PROGRESSION. USING LEVEL ONE STAKES of 104 units for 4 units per win. 4,12,36x2
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 24, 05:28 AM 2011
OKAY its update time on what I consider THE MASTER SYSTEM of them all.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400
TOTAL GAMES WON 395
TOTAL GAMES LOST 5
CURRENT BALANCE=1080 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 79/1
Notable statistics 4 of my five losses occurred on the COLUMNS.
Four FIVE POINTERS is the worst result over 400 games played and this has only happenned once. I'm playing a straight 3 STEP PROGRESSION. USING LEVEL ONE STAKES of 104 units for 4 units per win. 4,12,36x2
Hi John
Good results. Allmost same as mine result at that sould say it all.
My 9 loss 7 from column and to on dozens. Saw 1 time five 5pointers in a row :)
Cheers
Jon
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4563. msg49324#msg49324 date=1303637311
OKAY its update time on what I consider THE MASTER SYSTEM of them all.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400
TOTAL GAMES WON 395
TOTAL GAMES LOST 5
CURRENT BALANCE=1080 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 79/1
Notable statistics 4 of my five losses occurred on the COLUMNS.
Four FIVE POINTERS is the worst result over 400 games played and this has only happenned once. I'm playing a straight 3 STEP PROGRESSION. USING LEVEL ONE STAKES of 104 units for 4 units per win. 4,12,36x2
Hello Johnlegend, fantastic system. . . How many times a day do you play this, and do you play one session till you win four times?
And in your experience, how long does one session take!
Thanks
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 24, 05:28 AM 2011
OKAY its update time on what I consider THE MASTER SYSTEM of them all.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400
TOTAL GAMES WON 395
TOTAL GAMES LOST 5
CURRENT BALANCE=1080 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 79/1
Notable statistics 4 of my five losses occurred on the COLUMNS.
Four FIVE POINTERS is the worst result over 400 games played and this has only happenned once. I'm playing a straight 3 STEP PROGRESSION. USING LEVEL ONE STAKES of 104 units for 4 units per win. 4,12,36x2
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@JL , i was looking for your recommendations about doubling your unit value, but i can't find it....900 posts to wade thtrough....
give the strike rate, when woulld you double your unit value?, after u're up how many times your initial BR?!
vundarosa
Quote from: paul2007 on Apr 24, 05:46 AM 2011
Hello Johnlegend, fantastic system. . . How many times a day do you play this, and do you play one session till you win four times?
And in your experience, how long does one session take!
Thanks
Hi Paul it varies, playing the Dozens and columns. I play it simultaneously with MV5 HI N LO. You usually get 3-5 games per 100 spins sometimes it takes longer but the patience is well worth it. I aim for 10 wins a day overall.
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 24, 06:14 AM 2011
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@JL , I was looking for your recommendations about doubling your unit value, but I can't find it....900 posts to wade thtrough....
give the strike rate, when woulld you double your unit value?, after you're up how many times your initial BR?!
vundarosa
Hi Vundarosa it varied system to system. MV5 is so strong. Lets say you start with three banks of 26=78 units And you double this to six banks of 26=156 units.
I would now DOUBLE your level 1 progression from 26 units to 52 and so forth. So when you have six times 52=312 you again double your level 1 progression to 104 units. Do you get this Vundarosa?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 24, 05:28 AM 2011
OKAY its update time on what I consider THE MASTER SYSTEM of them all.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 400
TOTAL GAMES WON 395
TOTAL GAMES LOST 5
CURRENT BALANCE=1080 UNITS PLUS
STRIKERATE 79/1
Notable statistics 4 of my five losses occurred on the COLUMNS.
Four FIVE POINTERS is the worst result over 400 games played and this has only happenned once. I'm playing a straight 3 STEP PROGRESSION. USING LEVEL ONE STAKES of 104 units for 4 units per win. 4,12,36x2
Hi John
Sorry i was in a wrong topic. My question referred to MV5 4 HI/LO.
Plz confirm that u still play it betting against QUADS becoming 5PTS without trigger.
Thx
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 24, 06:55 AM 2011
Hi Vundarosa it varied system to system. MV5 is so strong. Lets say you start with three banks of 26=78 units And you double this to six banks of 26=156 units.
I would now DOUBLE your level 1 progression from 26 units to 52 and so forth. So when you have six times 52=312 you again double your level 1 progression to 104 units. Do you get this Vundarosa?
Hi John again
U say that u start with three banks of 26. One is 4 DZ, second 4 COL and 3rd?
Im a liittle bit confused. 26 i understand represents bank 4 1,3,9 progression playing
DZ or COL. What is the 3rd bank 4?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 24, 06:58 AM 2011
Hi John
Sorry I was in a wrong topic. My question referred to MV5 4 HI/LO.
Plz confirm that you still play it betting against QUADS becoming 5PTS without trigger.
thanks
Yes I will always play both variations of MV5 Robeenhuut, will update that thread tomorrow so you can see how ive been getting on.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Apr 24, 06:55 AM 2011
Hi Vundarosa it varied system to system. MV5 is so strong. Lets say you start with three banks of 26=78 units And you double this to six banks of 26=156 units.
I would now DOUBLE your level 1 progression from 26 units to 52 and so forth. So when you have six times 52=312 you again double your level 1 progression to 104 units. Do you get this Vundarosa?
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yep, that sounds like good money management if one wants to stay for the long run...
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 24, 09:54 AM 2011
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yep, that sounds like good money management if one wants to stay for the long run...
vundarosa
Hi Vundarosa that recommended bankroll is for DOZENS alone. If you play COLUMMS too I recommend another 3 banks of 26 MINUMUM.
Been playing this with a twist. Same premise.
Re-introducing Katilla's Dozens (he used this technique and it is useful in dozens betting)
First list the lines in a set of six: (A) 1-6 (B) 7-12 (C) 13-18 (D) 19-24 (E) 25-30 (F) 31-36
(This could be applicable to streets, single numbers)
As the numbers come in you build you unique set of dozens (example)
#23 (D) #19(D) #2(A)---->D & A make one dozen
...#4 (A) *#35 (F)* #31 (F) *#14(C)*----->F & C make the 2nd Dozen
...and place the two unused letters together for the last dozen B & E
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So the new set is...
(1) 1-6,19-24: (2) 31-36, 13-18: (3) 7-12, 25-30
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 25, 01:17 PM 2011
Been playing this with a twist. Same premise.
Re-introducing Katilla's Dozens (he used this technique and it is useful in dozens betting)
First list the lines in a set of six: (A) 1-6 (B) 7-12 (C) 13-18 (D) 19-24 (E) 25-30 (F) 31-36
(This could be applicable to streets, single numbers)
As the numbers come in you build you unique set of dozens (example)
#23 (D) #19(D) #2(A)---->D & A make one dozen
...#4 (A) *#35 (F)* #31 (F) *#14(C)*----->F & C make the 2nd Dozen
...and place the two unused letters together for the last dozen B & E
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So the new set is...
(1) 1-6,19-24: (2) 31-36, 13-18: (3) 7-12, 25-30
So give us an example of a few games youve played like this Proof...
I only have one game on record see below.
anyone still playing this i had the most succes with this system ever so i was suprised when it just stopped after pattern breaker and pattern 4 witch are not even close to the strikerate of MV5 ;)
Quote from: Post on May 11, 01:37 PM 2011
Anyone still playing this I had the most success with this system ever so I was suprised when it just stopped after pattern breaker and pattern 4 witch are not even close to the strikerate of MV5 ;)
How are you Post? I play MV5 everyday, it is the overall best method of alltime. You can give people a HOLY GRAIL. What you can't give them is PATIENCE and staying power. Ive played 635 games now and only lost 6 of them
If people really had what it takes, MV5 would destroy the game worldwide. Its actually just as well only a tiny minority will ever have the mindset to beat this game tboroughly.
My longterm goal is to shake up the industry a little. And let it be known to the powers that be that their supposedly unbeatable game ISNT UNBEATABLE. Monte Carlo in spring 2012 is my first destination. I will be spending alot of time in Eurupe next year.
nice to hear from you JL i am still playing mv5 against 5 pointers need patience but still good anyway ;)
im playing it with a 4 wide matrix,... are you guys still playing 4 wide? :xd: O0
Hello Johnlegend. . . ::)
Just a thought. . . Why not play a few games at once to speed up the process!!!
Example. . . .
Dozens. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 1 2 3 1 3 1 2 1 2 3 2 2 1 1 3 2
Numbers spun. . . . .........4 8 22 33 1 32 7 15 7 17 30 20 22 11 3 33 15
So start first matrix like so. . 1 1 2 3 1
3 1 2 1 2
3 2 2 1 1
3 2 and so on. . . .
But start next matrix one number after. . . .
1 2 3 1 3
2 2 1 2 3
2 2 1 1 3
2 and so on. . .
And again start two numbers after, and so on. . . .
This way more quads will appear, will be a little harder, but if a winning system should speed up the winnings a lot. . . In fact you could play as many as you like of these at same time if I'm not mistaken. . .
Just a though, If this is the best of your systems out there, but patience is too much for some players, then surely this should speed up the process. . . . ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: paul2007 on May 11, 03:53 PM 2011
Hello Johnlegend. . . ::)
Just a thought. . . Why not play a few games at once to speed up the process!!!
Example. . . .
Dozens. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 1 2 3 1 3 1 2 1 2 3 2 2 1 1 3 2
Numbers spun. . . . .........4 8 22 33 1 32 7 15 7 17 30 20 22 11 3 33 15
So start first matrix like so. . 1 1 2 3 1
3 1 2 1 2
3 2 2 1 1
3 2 and so on. . . .
But start next matrix one number after. . . .
1 2 3 1 3
2 2 1 2 3
2 2 1 1 3
2 and so on. . .
And again start two numbers after, and so on. . . .
This way more quads will appear, will be a little harder, but if a winning system should speed up the winnings a lot. . . In fact you could play as many as you like of these at same time if I'm not mistaken. . .
Just a though, If this is the best of your systems out there, but patience is too much for some players, then surely this should speed up the process. . . . ;D ;D ;D
Good thoughts Paul2007 I play three different methods at the same time. P4 and D & C are fast movers MV5 takes time to mature but its a virtual certainty to a win.
If your bankrolls big enough you play each one for one substantial win and shut it down and enjoy your evening.
Quote from: paul2007 on May 11, 03:53 PM 2011
Hello Johnlegend. . . ::)
Just a thought. . . Why not play a few games at once to speed up the process!!!
Example. . . .
Dozens. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 1 2 3 1 3 1 2 1 2 3 2 2 1 1 3 2
Numbers spun. . . . .........4 8 22 33 1 32 7 15 7 17 30 20 22 11 3 33 15
So start first matrix like so. . 1 1 2 3 1
3 1 2 1 2
3 2 2 1 1
3 2 and so on. . . .
But start next matrix one number after. . . .
1 2 3 1 3
2 2 1 2 3
2 2 1 1 3
2 and so on. . .
And again start two numbers after, and so on. . . .
This way more quads will appear, will be a little harder, but if a winning system should speed up the winnings a lot. . . In fact you could play as many as you like of these at same time if I'm not mistaken. . .
Just a though, If this is the best of your systems out there, but patience is too much for some players, then surely this should speed up the process. . . . ;D ;D ;D
Isn't this just looking different but in fact it is the same!?
A 180 Degree Turn
@JL
Not having a go at you.
I'd simply like clarification for future visitors to this thread who might read a few early posts and then jump to the more recent posts. It's what people do. (After all, reading ALL the current 68 pages would be a Big Ask for many newcomers. LOL).
Here are some early statement from you about MV5 on RNG:
MATRIX VERTICAL 5 is killing LADBROKES. I'm playing real deniro have just completed 15 games a walk in the park people. two five pointers the worst in 15 games.
*WE MAY HAVE THE ULTIMATE RNG KILLER HERE GUYS* (Reply #50)
I those 20 games there have been two FIVE QUADS, including the five pointers. Its trying to fight its program Twister and it can't. RNG DECODED. (Reply #69)
Guys for once and for all ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALL. LIVE, RNG, AIRBALL, EVEN those dodgy bookmaker machines Twister. (Reply #106)
I HAVE 12,000 RNG spins recorded. FOUR FIVE POINTERS is the worst result. (Reply #119)
Very good. Let's buy a brewery. ;)
And then in Reply #984 you write:
So don't be playing RNGS that's a no no.
A 180 degree turn!!!!
1 Was that written in error?
2 If no, then what happened to make you change your mind?
(I repeat -- NOT an attack, not a criticism etc etc. Simply requesting a clarification for the startling turnaround.)
Quote from: esoito on May 11, 09:32 PM 2011
A 180 Degree Turn
@JL
Not having a go at you.
I'd simply like clarification for future visitors to this thread who might read a few early posts and then jump to the more recent posts. It's what people do. (After all, reading ALL the current 68 pages would be a Big Ask for many newcomers. LoL).
Here are some early statement from you about MV5 on RNG:
MATRIX VERTICAL 5 is killing LADBROKES. I'm playing real deniro have just completed 15 games a walk in the park people. two five pointers the worst in 15 games.
*WE MAY HAVE THE ULTIMATE RNG KILLER HERE GUYS* (Reply #50)
I those 20 games there have been two FIVE QUADS, including the five pointers. Its trying to fight its program Twister and it can't. RNG DECODED. (Reply #69)
Guys for once and for all ONE SYSTEM TO RULE THEM ALL. LIVE, RNG, AIRBALL, EVEN those dodgy bookmaker machines Twister. (Reply #106)
I HAVE 12,000 RNG spins recorded. FOUR FIVE POINTERS is the worst result. (Reply #119)
Very good. Let's buy a brewery. ;)
And then in Reply #984 you write:
So don't be playing RNGS that's a no no.
A 180 degree turn!!!!
1 Was that written in error?
2 If no, then what happened to make you change your mind?
(I repeat -- NOT an attack, not a criticism etc etc. Simply requesting a clarification for the startling turnaround.)
What happenned was TwisterUk Proved they were cheating at BV I think MV5 can beat rng played hit and run style. But you cannot linger and play long drawn out sessions. Which is what most impatient players do.
So if you must play RNG it has to be hit and run style.
Ah...so that's why. Comes as no surprise, though! Many on this forum and elsewhere have often pointed the finger at the fairness/unfairness of RNGs.
Anyway, RNG players will be glad to know that MV5 is still worth playing on RNGs in hit'n'run mode.
Question: run for how long? (before returning for another nibble)
Quote from: esoito link=topic=4563.msIg51495#msg51495 date=1305243756
Ah...so that's why. Comes as no surprise, though! Many on this forum and elsewhere have often pointed the finger at the fairness/unfairness of RNGs.
Anyway, RNG players will be glad to know that MV5 is still worth playing on RNGs in hit'n'run mode.
Question: run for how long? (before returning for another nibble)
You need to let the program forget you, I would leave 15-20 minutes MINUMUM between games. I have played MV5 on Ladbrokes like that and it works. It does and always will come down to the patience of the player.
thanks again John for the great system!!!!,... are you still playing a 4 wide for MV5? :girl_to:
Hi guys,
Which tracker you use for MV5 with columns and H/L ? The one from Iamvalejan is working only with dozens and is still not finished ?
Thanks
Hey guys, what do you think about playing with two progressions - 1,3,9 and 13,26,52? 13,26,52 is recovery progression (we play it only when we loose our progression). As we see it's very hard to loose even with 1,3,9, so losing two progressions in a row is practically impossible!
We have to recover only half of our lost bank, after that play with regular 1,3,9 progression. Recovering full bank is too risky I think.
Any opinions? :)
Quote from: userpairs on May 14, 07:00 PM 2011
Hey guys, what do you think about playing with two progressions - 1,3,9 and 13,26,52? 13,26,52 is recovery progression (we play it only when we lose our progression). As we see it's very hard to lose even with 1,3,9, so losing two progressions in a row is practically impossible!
We have to recover only half of our lost bank, after that play with regular 1,3,9 progression. Recovering full bank is too risky I think.
Any opinions? :)
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not sure your math is in order....that recovery progression might get you losing some more not recovering HALF BANK...UNLESS you win at step 1 of your bet at this recovery level...if win at step 2 ur at -26u again and if win at step 3 u will now be at -52u...
it might be worth the risk if in the table u play most wins are indeed at step1....
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa link=topic=4563. msg51702#msg51702 date=1305441889
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not sure your math is in order. . . . that recovery progression might get you losing some more not recovering HALF BANK. . . UNLESS you win at step 1 of your bet at this recovery level. . . if win at step 2 your at -26u again and if win at step 3 you will now be at -52u. . .
it might be worth the risk if in the table you play most wins are indeed at step1. . . .
vundarosa
Oh, you're right. I forgot that here every level of progression must be tripled, not doubled. I was a little sleepy. ;D Recovery is too risky this way, unless we win most sessions at first level. . .
Quote from: userpairs on May 15, 07:00 AM 2011
Oh, you're right. I forgot that here every level of progression must be tripled, not doubled. I was a little sleepy. ;D Recovery is too risky this way, unless we win most sessions at first level. . .
The strikerate is good enough with MV5 to not need more than two or three levels for recovery. And you dont have to panic and try to recover straight away. Ive not been updating this great method of late.
And I should be keeping the spotlight on it. For make no mistake about it. MV5 is without equal in terms of strikerate and risk. I recently had a 117 game winning streak. This method requires patience of the highest order. But it is a HOLY GRAIL. Those who dont mind waiting to win, will be making a mockery of the unbeatable game for as long as they play it.
I will give a full update of results later today.
JL are you still testing high low with a 5 pointer as trigger and bet against five 5 pointers in a row 1-2-4-8 ?
Quote from: Post on May 15, 04:54 PM 2011
JL are you still testing high low with a 5 pointer as trigger and bet against five 5 pointers in a row 1-2-4-8 ?
Yes Post, not testing playing for real.
are you still going to give a update of the results JL ?
Quote from: Post on May 16, 11:51 AM 2011
Are you still going to give a update of the results JL ?
eHello Post here are the results for 720 games played for dozens and columns.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 720
TOTAL GAMES WON 713
TOTAL GAMES LOST 7
STRIKERATE APPROX 102/1
BALANCE 616 POINTS PLUS
LONGEST WINING STREAK 156
SHORTEST WNNING STREAK 72
Virtually a grail :)
JL congrats for your results.
May I ask, where do you play? And you use a 4 wide matrix betting on 12's and Columns that a fifth same vertical won't appear?
I played today at Dublinbet Live Roulette 1 and I lost 3 times one after another, on about 100 spins!!
How can I be so unlucky I do not know. .
JL how did you play with a 5 pointer trigger and betting against 5 five pointers in a row ?
H
Quote from: wizzard.tim on May 16, 01:34 PM 2011
JL congrats for your results.
May I ask, where do you play? And you use a 4 wide matrix betting on 12's and Columns that a fifth same vertical won't appear?
I played today at Dublinbet Live Roulette 1 and I lost 3 times one after another, on about 100 spins!!
How can I be so unlucky I do not know. .
I play at betfreds and ladbrokes online and various land casinos. Can you explain EXACTLY how you play, there is no way in the world you should be encountering FIFTEEN QUINTETS in 100 spins. Even an RNG wouldnt give you that.
Somethings not right here.
JL how did you played exactly ?
Quote from: Kingspin on May 16, 01:15 PM 2011
Virtually a grail :)
Theres no virtual about it Kingspin. The games done with any player who posesses that precious attribute *PATIENCE*. If a maths lecturer who wouldnt touch roulette with a bargepole, Concedes to you that youve broken the game. You know you have something.
The games ALWAYS BEEN BEATABLE. There simply has never been enough human beings possesing the essential attributes to bring this fact to mainstream attention.
In tbe spring of 2012 I will begin a serious assault on all the major casinos in Europe. Anyone interested in joining me anywhere along the trail will be most welcome.
Quote from: Post on May 16, 01:55 PM 2011
JL how did you played exactly ?
Im playing against three five pointers forming for both columns and dozens. For 5--10 wins per day. PROGRESSION 1,1--3,3--9,9
I would like to ask if JohnLegend or anyone else that know how to play this method could provide me with optimal rules for this system, as I am willing to code it into MST Project.
I am familiar with Matrix Turbo! which is also vertical.
Comparing to this system would be easier to understand for me.
Regards
KK
looking forward to crash some casino playing high low against 5 pointers with only a 15 bakroll ;)
JL it would be great if you or someone could post the ultimate, full rules for this method, since there are 70 pages and I want to be sure I look at the right thing
Many thanks
Quote from: Side B on May 17, 12:00 PM 2011
JL it would be great if you or someone could post the ultimate, full rules for this method, since there are 70 pages and I want to be sure I look at the right thing
Many thanks
There are a few ways you could play MV5, the way I have been playing it is as follows.
1, RECORD SPINS IN TWO SEPERATE 4 WIDE MATRIXES, for both the DOZENS AND COLUMNS.
2, As soon as a vertical quad forms for either the dozens or columns you bet it wont become a FIVE POINTER.
3, Using a THREE STEP 26 POINT PROGRESSION. You bet against three consectutive FIVE POINTERS forming.
4, I play no more than 5--10 games a day between the dozens and columns. ;D ;D
i have been playing MV5 on a 7 wide matrix, i feel it to be much safer,... i am playing on a 00 wheel though- and w/ $10-$20 units :xd:...
Hello to all :thumbsup:
I have a question.
What should i do, if Zero is falling?
For example
1-1 (5-Pointer / lost)
20 minutes later a new signal. . .
3-3 (Zero)
1 1 3 2
1 2 0 1
1 2 2 3
1 2 3 1
1 1 1 3 (1-1 lost)
2 2 3 3
1 3 3 3
2 1 2 3
1 1 1 0 (3-3 lost because Zero is falling)
2 3 3 ? (Should i bet now again against a 5 pointer and if yes how much? (9-9?))
Thank you very much for any help.
Defense
i dont know how you do it JL but when i just teted like 300 spins i alreaddy had 3 5 pointers in a row ?
Quote from: Post on May 18, 12:15 PM 2011
I don't know how you do it JL but when I just Oteted like 300 spins I alreaddy had 3 5 pointers in a row ?
Post im playing all my methods hit and run. I win a game im gone. There is no long sessions if you want to play all day bet against 7 FIVE POINTERS FOR HI AND LOW. Theres another grail for you right there. Start with a five pointer as a trigger. Then begin your campaign.
In a live casino im playing PATTERN 4, PATTERN BREAKER, DIVIDE AND CONQUER and MV5 Hi and low as I just explained. Online ill play MV5 for DOZENS and COLUMNS. 8)
How long before you buy a new house with the winnings john ;)
Quote from: Kingspin on May 18, 03:41 PM 2011
How long before you buy a new house with the winnings john ;)
Im not materialistic Kingspin. My ambition as stated is to send out a signal loud and clear the games no longer safe. Im working towards having a 100,000 grand bankroll to make my start in Europe next year. Myself and a friend will begin the campaign. If any of you have heard of the Palaya family, they did some damage in Europe in the early 90s. But they were playing biased wheels.
Europe will be taken this time by a real roster of winning methods. 8)
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 18, 06:07 PM 2011
I'm not materialistic Kingspin. My ambition as stated is to send out a signal loud and clear the games no longer safe. I'm working towards having a 100,000 grand bankroll to make my start in Europe next year. Myself and a friend will begin the campaign. If any of you have heard of the Palaya family, they did some damage in Europe in the early 90s. But they were playing biased wheels.
Europe will be taken this time by a real roster of winning methods. 8)
Nice ;D
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 18, 06:07 PM 2011
I'm not materialistic Kingspin. My ambition as stated is to send out a signal loud and clear the games no longer safe. I'm working towards having a 100,000 grand bankroll to make my start in Europe next year. Myself and a friend will begin the campaign. If any of you have heard of the Palaya family, they did some damage in Europe in the early 90s. But they were playing biased wheels.
Europe will be taken this time by a real roster of winning methods. 8)
When you get here, me and F LAT INO had already wiped them out and closed them down.
sorry mate! :P
Get gready >:D
Quote from: jon86 on May 18, 06:12 PM 2011
Nice ;D
Hi Jon how are you, hope you are still playing and winning.
John L,
are you uninterested in the testing zone thread?
:embarrassed:
Quote from: albertojonas on May 18, 06:13 PM 2011
When you get here, me and F LAT INO had already wiped them out and closed them down.
sorry mate! :P
Get gready >:D
LOL :D
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 18, 06:17 PM 2011
Hi Jon how are you, hope you are still playing and winning.
Hi. Of course. Every day ;D
Jon
Hello, well its time for a long overdue update of the other methods I play each day. Lets never forget MATRIX VERTICAL 5
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 850
TOTAL GAMES WON 841
TOTAL GAMES LOST 9
STRIKERATE APPROX 93/1
BALANCE 1,376 UNITS PLUS
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 139
SHORTEST WINNING STREAK 43
Still no FIVE 5 POINTERS, one of my losing games became FOUR 5 POINTERS. This method is on its own for strikerate and bankroll risk. Its only drawback is time. Its fine for online live play or airball but not really suited to a live casino. Still its truly great and I will use it always.
Very impressive stats!!! Wow!!!
Quote from: Maui13 on May 30, 06:19 AM 2011
Very impressive stats!!! Wow!!!
Yes Maui13 its the best of them all it really is, just requires PATIENCE. And you own Roulette. Online live and Airball are its mediums.
Hi, can this be used for RNG casino? please advise, any you recommend thanks
does anyone have an easy explanation of this whole matrix 5 thing. I still don't understand it, if anyone has an explanation PDF, they can email me
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 01, 09:24 PM 2011
Hi, can this be used for RNG casino? please advise, any you recommend thanks
does anyone have an easy explanation of this whole matrix 5 thing. I still don't understand it, if anyone has an explanation PDF, they can email me
Here's a bit of self-help for you whilst waiting. (It might be a long wait.)
Use the SEARCH box at the top-right corner of your screen.
Type into it key-words you're interested in.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 30, 06:25 AM 2011
Yes Maui13 its the best of them all it really is, just requires PATIENCE. And you own Roulette. Online live and Airball are its mediums.
hi john. the stats are awesome. whichever live online casino you recommend this. obviously RNG its not safe I see you mention.
i will open an account asap with a live casino you recommend for it. Of course i'm no unintelligent, will stick to small unit sizes until confidence.
i have understood the concept. matrix 4 wide, and bet on quad not becoming vertical 5.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 02, 04:26 AM 2011
hi john. the stats are awesome. whichever live online casino you recommend this. obviously RNG its not safe I see you mention.
i will open an account asap with a live casino you recommend for it. Of course i'm no unintelligent, will stick to small unit sizes until confidence.
i have understood the concept. matrix 4 wide, and bet on quad not becoming vertical 5.
Yes my friend it doesnt matter what you use on an RNG you are playing a manmade computer designed to take money from you not give it to you.
Gof knows how many millions have been lost by players who dont realize this I one saw a guy cover every number except 36 and low and behold the next number was 36 Ive seen things on an RNG in REAL MONEY MODE that just dont happen on a real wheel. MV5, PATTERN and D & C own s real wheel. But an RNG simply reads you and opposes you at the crucial time. Leave them alone, and play the real deal..
Hello JohnLegend and all...
Amazing to finally see MATRIX VERTICAL 5. Shows how far behind I really am.
Unbelievable how effective its...
You really have to see the code in the matrix.
I will run tests on perhaps a faster HIT AND RUN variation inspired by PATTERN $ I mean 4...
I know patience is the name of the game JohnLegend but love roulette too much to not investigate... :)
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 02, 08:12 AM 2011
Yes my friend it doesn't matter what you use on an RNG you are playing a manmade computer designed to take money from you not give it to you.
Gof knows how many millions have been lost by players who don't realize this I one saw a guy cover every number except 36 and low and behold the next number was 36 I've seen things on an RNG in REAL MONEY MODE that just don't happen on a real wheel. MV5, PATTERN and D & C own s real wheel. But an RNG simply reads you and opposes you at the crucial time. Leave them alone, and play the real deal..
thanks, thats the only concern with RNG. the 'reading' or cheating of your bet. but william hill on their website guarantee they don't read the bets. on fun mode they certainly do not. i also did baccarat, and reported no reading of my bet.
also some of the number patterns that come up are unbelievably strange on RNG,e.g. i saw 3 numbers repeat within 5 spins, that won't happen on a real wheel!!
thats my main concern- the strangeness of the RNG at times. not behaving at all like real deal.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 03, 07:41 PM 2011
also some of the number patterns that come up are unbelievably strange on RNG,e.g. I saw 3 numbers repeat within 5 spins, that won't happen on a real wheel!!
Hi mate. don't get me wrong please, but I would like to point something considering this. You can't prove that RNG-s are cheating because of some strange pattern maybe.... Ill give you very good example I had in my session from 2 days ago on live, airball machine. (I record all numbers from every session) Interesting combination of numbers was there.
7, 12, 16, 12, 16, 12, 36 ... You see? :) On roulette everything is possible don't forget that. It is very hard, maybe even impossible to prove RNG-s are cheating, but we all know it is so. And keep trying to improve your game as much as possible all the time.
Regards
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 04, 07:36 AM 2011
Hi mate. don't get me wrong please, but I would like to point something considering this. You can't prove that RNG-s are cheating because of some strange pattern maybe.... Ill give you very good example I had in my session from 2 days ago on live, airball machine. (I record all numbers from every session) Interesting combination of numbers was there.
7, 12, 16, 12, 16, 12, 36 ... You see? :) On roulette everything is possible don't forget that. It is very hard, maybe even impossible to prove RNG-s are cheating, but we all know it is so. And keep trying to improve your game as much as possible all the time.
Regards
Drazen RNGs are not roulette period. They analyze play method and oppose you at some point ESPECIALLY if you martingale your stakes. The bottom line is play the real thing for real results. RNGS were created to play on that greatest of human failings LACK OF PATIENCE. Dont be in a hurry to win, just win and build your BR the right way.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 04, 10:15 AM 2011
Drazen RNGs are not roulette period. They analyze play method and oppose you at some point ESPECIALLY if you martingale your stakes. The bottom line is play the real thing for real results. RNGS were created to play on that greatest of human failings LACK OF PATIENCE. don't be in a hurry to win, just win and build your BR the right way.
Yes i am am very familiar with that. I tryed to say same thing, thanks. It is important to stress that to new players here also (at least for those who wants to understand and get importantance of not playing on RNG-s) but maybe still have doubts why not to play on RNG :thumbsup:
Regards
i do not know why john legend claims this system as his...
what a fake!
Man up.
>:(
albertojonas you really got small man syndrome
your getting angry over that, its says at Page 1 who's forged this method
and you've probably only dismissed the method as rubbish so what are you talking about.
Your credibility is going down by the post
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 04, 11:16 AM 2011
I do not know why john legend claims this system as his...
what a fake!
Man up.
>:(
On page 1 we read:
"...And ultimate INVINCIBILITY. We know since ATLANTIS, TWISTER and myself first forged this METHOD."
Alberto, we've got a word-meaning issue here. They did NOT
fake anything.
The word "f or g e d" can, indeed, mean "faked".
But as English is not your first language you were obviously unaware the word also has about six different meanings!!
In this instance the word "f or g e d" means "to come up with an idea, plan, explanation, theory or principle, after a mental effort" (WordWeb Version 6.3)
John Legend congrats for this system.
Playing it with 5wide matrix and guess what! --I've never lost. Not a single time!!
If only I could find a bot (until Ophis makes one) I'd never close my PC and I'd make a fortune. :smile: The bot would use "Matrix 5","Matrix 5 (H&L)" and "Pattern 4". It would be a roulette killer. One idea that I came up after playing for so long, is that the maximum times a Low or a High came up consecutively was 7 times.. So when i see 7 times a Low/High one after another, I start betting high stakes with a progression..
It would be a good idea if Ophis made a bot which would automatically place bets on live roulette when something (an even bet,a dozen,a column) comes up 7 times consecutively and start betting with a progression.
Keep playing for so long only your systems and I have good results. I like them cause they're simple.
i've seen about 20 high numbers follow one after the other
Quote from: strato1985 on Jun 05, 07:34 AM 2011
I've seen about 20 high numbers follow one after the other
Bad news...still, we could make a trigger that the bot starts to bet after the 13th consecutive High/Low.. that could take long, BUT if we never turn off the bot and if we use the same trigger for all even bets..then we would have an account that is constantly forever winning money, while you can do whatever else you wish..
The rarity of the winnings vanishes if we have a bot for each live casino, running all the time in one pc from our home..the idea is becoming rich without any effort..the most promising bot..using a 7th step progression..
Dont you think it is possible?
If you make such a bot, pleeeease remember me ;)
Quote from: esoito on Jun 04, 11:59 PM 2011
On page 1 we read:
"...And ultimate INVINCIBILITY. We know since ATLANTIS, TWISTER and myself first forged this METHOD."
Alberto, we've got a word-meaning issue here. They did NOT fake anything.
The word "f or g e d" can, indeed, mean "faked".
But as English is not your first language you were obviously unaware the word also has about six different meanings!!
In this instance the word "f or g e d" means "to come up with an idea, plan, explanation, theory or principle, after a mental effort" (WordWeb Version 6.3)
i am sorry for the misunderstanding. posted that under an angry mood after being cursed.
Sorry.
:(
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 05, 04:00 PM 2011
i am sorry for the misunderstanding. posted that under an angry mood after being cursed.
Sorry.
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i am fully in support of albert jonas, I have to agree he has made some valid points especially: with pointing out the risks of pattern 4. I did some testing, and there are a few repeats of H/l, R/B, so it can be risky, especially with large progressions. this is because there are only 8 different combinations, and that's a high chance of getting a repeat.
of course, a high strike rate 90%+, but it only takes 1 or 2 bad ones to knock your confidence down. high % strike rate only good if the other 10% of time you lose, you don't lose much.
i haven't tested vert .5 yet though.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 05, 05:12 PM 2011
i am fully in support of albert jonas, I have to agree he has made some valid points especially: with pointing out the risks of pattern 4. I did some testing, and there are a few repeats of H/l, R/B, so it can be risky, especially with large progressions. this is because there are only 8 different combinations, and that's a high chance of getting a repeat.
of course, a high strike rate 90%+, but it only takes 1 or 2 bad ones to knock your confidence down. high % strike rate only good if the other 10% of time you lose, you don't lose much.
i haven't tested vert .5 yet though.
Halba, If something has to win 7 times to break even at a one level progression. And it will win around 12 times played hit and run. There is little risk. MATRIX VERTICAL 5 is the most solid method on this forum. The problem is it takes time to mature. Played on dozens and columns its is unmatchable. But there is no certain betting frequency. Its truly random you must wait for random to deliver the trigger. CODE 4 is a worthy compromise. It can rival MATRIX VERTICAL 5 for strikerate with a certain betting frequency making it live casino friendly. Online I will still play MV5. Because it simply cannot be defeated by random. OVERALL its the best thing I have ever played.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 16, 04:51 PM 2011
Halba, If something has to win 7 times to break even at a one level progression. And it will win around 12 times played hit and run. There is little risk. MATRIX VERTICAL 5 is the most solid method on this forum. The problem is it takes time to mature. Played on dozens and columns its is unmatchable. But there is no certain betting frequency. Its truly random you must wait for random to deliver the trigger. CODE 4 is a worthy compromise. It can rival MATRIX VERTICAL 5 for strikerate with a certain betting frequency making it live casino friendly. Online I will still play MV5. Because it simply cannot be defeated by random. OVERALL its the best thing I have ever played.
Overall this is still the best method I have ever seen or been involved with. Its only drawback was TIME. It could be used online and will always work. But for our Amercian friends who don't have the freedom to bet online it wasn't very playable in a B&M casino. Unless you could be satisfied with a few wins a session.
That said TIME is always the sacrifice for a grail like method. Although I haven't used it in a year. Its never left my mind. I still believe the MATRIX VERTICAL CONCEPT. Is indeed randoms tamer. But the challenge is to find a more accessable playable version. That can rival MATRIX VERTICAL 5s strikerate. I think I've got something approaching it.
Currently considering playing two systems together simultaneously. Maybe PB3 and CODE4. That'll be some spreadsheet if I can make it work!
Quote from: Viking64 on Feb 07, 03:54 AM 2018
Currently considering playing two systems together simultaneously. Maybe PB3 and CODE4. That'll be some spreadsheet if I can make it work!
Code 4 didnt hold up over time Viking. It started well but began to find too many losses. 80 units is a big risk. And recovery is hard.
If you want a good double dozen/column system I suggest you check out Apolloos TWO 4 ONE system.
Its only an 8 unit risk and holds up very well.
Many thanks! I will :)
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 07, 08:28 AM 2018
Code 4 didnt hold up over time Viking. It started well but began to find too many losses. 80 units is a big risk. And recovery is hard.
If you want a good double dozen/column system I suggest you check out Apolloos TWO 4 ONE system.
Its only an 8 unit risk and holds up very well.
I like that you are honest. No BS. Admitting code 4 suffered too much
That’s why I believe in this PB because you have been playing it for so long.
I’m not worried about bot tests for million spins, I’m worried about real world play
I’m liking this
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 10:15 AM 2018
I like that you are honest. No BS. Admitting code 4 suffered too much
That’s why I believe in this PB because you have been playing it for so long.
I’m not worried about bot tests for million spins, I’m worried about real world play
I’m liking this
RG i never pretend something works. I have to pay bills with these systems. PB is the most consistent playable system ive ever found.
MATRIX VERTICAL 7 I believe is the closest thing to a HG. But you need super patience. Might take 100 to 150 spins to get the WIN. But win it does.
And now Im playing two other systems with success. Atlantis's 3 strikes. And Apolloos T4O.
Whether they hold up for years I dont know..but theyve started well.
PB and MV7 have proven themselves to me over several years. Im always looking for other systems to have 4 great ones in my bag...
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Feb 07, 10:15 AM 2018I’m not worried about bot tests for million spins, I’m worried about real world play
Hi RG,
programmed correctly in a bot and it shows PB is a winner. No other system I have tested with proper MM rules and detailed method rules has come close to the success I am seeing in playing thousands of continuous spins in simulation mode.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/15/temp_442261.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GQ6pA)
Regards,
Ricky
Thanks Ricky
This is with a 1 2 4 progression? Looks like it hasn’t busted yet.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 15, 05:03 PM 2018
Hi RG,
programmed correctly in a bot and it shows PB is a winner. No other system I have tested with proper MM rules and detailed method rules has come close to the success I am seeing in playing thousands of continuous spins in simulation mode.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/15/temp_442261.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GQ6pA)
Regards,
Ricky
Although i dont believe in Bots Ricky. This is cementing my feeling about PATTERN BREAKER REVISED.
It may be virtual affordable playable HG. Right under their noses on the forum. As always though only a very few with be willing to play it.
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 15, 05:03 PM 2018
Hi RG,
programmed correctly in a bot and it shows PB is a winner. No other system I have tested with proper MM rules and detailed method rules has come close to the success I am seeing in playing thousands of continuous spins in simulation mode.
(link:://:.pichost.org/images/2018/02/15/temp_442261.png) (link:://:.pichost.org/image/GQ6pA)
Regards,
Ricky
pls share rx code
Quote from: ice789 on Feb 16, 02:19 PM 2018pls share rx code
Hi Ice789,
I will be sharing a version of my system with just the PB and MV7 next week. I just need to clean up the code for public consumption and take out some of the complexities I have been coding to make it easier for the novice to read and use without getting flooded with too many technical questions.
I will post it in the PATTERN BREAKER thread
Cheers,
Ricky
Just by looking at the graph Ricky, I can sense a problem with your code. I can be wrong. Look at your wins. It seem to double count and somehow account the win in the following spin after a win as well.
Quote from: Tinsoldiers on Feb 17, 12:43 AM 2018
Just by looking at the graph Ricky, I can sense a problem with your code. I can be wrong. Look at your wins. It seem to double count and somehow account the win in the following spin after a win as well.
Hi Tin Soldiers, I'm not sure what you mean by double counting? FYI this graph is generated by Roulette Xtreme in realtime while the results come in. I find it very accurate.
cheers,
Ricky
Quote from: Ricky on Feb 17, 05:39 AM 2018
Hi Tin Soldiers, I'm not sure what you mean by double counting? FYI this graph is generated by Roulette Xtreme in realtime while the results come in. I find it very accurate.
cheers,
Ricky
Ok
Hello all,
I came across this system a few months ago and was curious to see how it performs.
I have done testing on more than 50k spins on live roulette, and I have to say this system does work but you need the patience to win.
I have created a bot for those who are interested. It is pretty complicated to make a bot for a system like this but I have managed to do it and It took me a while. If you are interested pm me. expresso324@gmail.com
Cheers
Hi Ricky
I would be interested in seeing the rx code, if it's not too cheeky of me to ask.
I could then run it spin by spin to see if its ok, then do further tests on auto.
It may also help me to learn the rx coding!
Regards
Dave
Quote from: sentinel3 on Feb 07, 08:28 AM 2018
Code 4 didnt hold up over time Viking. It started well but began to find too many losses. 80 units is a big risk. And recovery is hard.
If you want a good double dozen/column system I suggest you check out Apolloos TWO 4 ONE system.
Its only an 8 unit risk and holds up very well.
You said code 4 was the greatest thing ever,although risking 80 units to win 1 unit,how could it ever be.
Always seemed more sensible to play for the pattern as less risk to start with
Or just write down any pattern of columns and dozens and bet one of the patterns hits in the next four spins,waiting a certain amount of spins makes no different.
Quote from: daveylibra on May 16, 10:32 AM 2018
Hi Ricky
I would be interested in seeing the rx code, if it's not too cheeky of me to ask.
I could then run it spin by spin to see if its ok, then do further tests on auto.
It may also help me to learn the rx coding!
Regards
Dave
Hi Daveylibra,
apologies for delayed response. My current version of my system is quite complex. I am currently reformatting it to make adding new systems more flexible. But you can get an old version of the PB and MV7 code with most of the complexity stripped out in one of my old posts. Just check my profile and look for my attacchments. You will see one with a zip file of the system. Let me know if you can't find it.
Cheers,
Ricky
I play Matrix 4 wide and bet on trips not become quads on auto-roulette and it's unbreakable. 3 step progression, 1-3-9, if I lose it I leave but I make it back very fast 20-30 units in 500 spins, about 4-5h.
Betting on quads not to become fivers is not worth the waiting plus I have seen 7 fivers in a row, if I would have not been betting on the trips which came in the middle of them I would have lost two times there.
I wonder how is John Legend doing? I would think he was tweaking this method and trying others till busted his bank