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Title: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: esoito on May 20, 08:36 PM 2011
A direct quote:

"We approach the chaotic roulette outcomes with a chaotic bet selection.

It also eliminates the possibility of a dealer/casino intentionally avoiding the sector you are playing (since we are not focusing on a specific sector)."


link:://:.x/p/kavouras-bet.html (link:://:.x/p/kavouras-bet.html)

(The webmaster is a member here: KAV)

It will be interesting to share thoughts about this approach.

Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Red Nickels on May 20, 09:38 PM 2011
Quote from: esoito on May 20, 08:36 PM 2011

It also eliminates the possibility of a dealer/casino intentionally avoiding the sector you are playing (since we are not focusing on a specific sector)."


................ yeah, ok, hate to tell you this but that is not something to worry about.  been playing real wheels live dealers for 20 years and never seen a dealer who had the slightest bit of interest or the skill or any reason to "intentionally avoid the sector you are playing."  they are just trying to do their job, keep the chips and bets and payoffs strait and are happy to see someone win once in a while since the vast majority of players at the roulette table leave losers and the casino does not need any more help than the house edge to make sure that happens and keeps happening day in and day out.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: esoito on Jun 18, 08:00 PM 2011
No discussion?

No interest?

Surprising...!!
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Drazen on Jun 19, 01:52 AM 2011
I have seen this some time ago. Was interesting at first sight. What do you think about best progression here? Please spare me martingale as recommended there...
Regards
               Drazen
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: esoito on Jun 19, 01:55 AM 2011
Kav was going to publish some strategies but hasn't yet.

As it stands, flat bets are the way to go.

I used it hit'n'run quite successfully on live wheels.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Drazen on Jun 19, 02:05 AM 2011
Quote from: esoito on Jun 19, 01:55 AM 2011
Kav was going to publish some strategies but hasn't yet.


When he does we will see. Of course method like this should be hit and very fast run. LOL
Regards
                  Drazen
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: beretta28 on Jun 19, 03:36 AM 2011
I'm afraid that Kav has understood he made a big mistake.
More numbers you cover,more risk of losing very quickly your Bkroll!
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: flukey luke on Jun 19, 08:39 AM 2011
An interesting part of the bet selection was how the numbers are scattered around the wheel.

Players who play physical methods are aware that there is likely to be a cold area which may change from spin to spin. This cold area may cover around 6 pockets or so.

If you were a casual player just placing 6 or so chips at a time on wheel sectors and this was the cold area, your bankroll could dissapear at a far quicker rate than you would expect.

So the idea of covering numbers around the wheel may reduce the volatility or at least ensure you are not blindly bringing about your own downfall by hitting the cold sector.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Normy2000 on Jun 19, 09:57 AM 2011
Hi all,

I love this set of number 20 against 17.  :love:
I have my tracker and clicker for it.

The way i play it:
After 5 hits, i bet against it with prog. 1,2,3,6
After 3 misses, i play for it with prog. 1,2,4,9

Pretty good results so far.   :thumbsup:

Happy father's day to every father!


Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: ZeroBlue on Jun 19, 10:46 AM 2011
Quote from: flukey luke link=topic=5506. msg58876#msg58876 date=1308487176
An interesting part of the bet selection was how the numbers are scattered around the wheel.

Players who play physical methods are aware that there is likely to be a cold area which may change from spin to spin.  This cold area may cover around 6 pockets or so.

If you were a casual player just placing 6 or so chips at a time on wheel sectors and this was the cold area, your bankroll could disappear at a far quicker rate than you would expect.

So the idea of covering numbers around the wheel may reduce the volatility or at least ensure you are not blindly bringing about your own downfall by hitting the cold sector.

indeed the cold sector can not be the same scatter described over and over again. . .
i think also it is good practice to cover moveable sectors along the wheel. 
Well thought mate.

Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Canuck on Jul 23, 04:48 PM 2011
I tried the Kavouras bet for the first time I bet inside. I was always an EC bettor.

When I won my first split bet, and then 5-1 bet, I was happy.

Kavouras says to bet the same numbers all the time. I say, why not bet the hot or cold numbers, but have them scattered as randomly as Kavouras says to.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Playborne on Jul 27, 07:07 AM 2011
you did win a split bet  ??? you should be happy indeed ...  :P
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: master1986 on Jul 27, 11:50 AM 2011
Guys, it takes a big bankroll to use this system. :(
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Playborne on Jul 29, 06:11 AM 2011
I agree, it needs quite a lot I think, but have not actually tried it.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Science Is Roulette on Oct 03, 08:20 AM 2011
This betting system seems interesting, as well as normy2000's progression scheme. So if i understand this correctly Normy2000, when you get 5 hits in a row, you then bet against the system in progression (Essentially betting the opposing 17 #s that are not covered). How is your lay out for those bets?
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Oct 03, 10:20 AM 2011
Pick up any 17 numbers---you can start from 1 to 17.....and you will find out any of any 17
will be evenly spread over the wheel. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: GamblerX on Jan 19, 01:07 PM 2014
Quote from: esoito on May 20, 08:36 PM 2011
A direct quote:

"We approach the chaotic roulette outcomes with a chaotic bet selection.

It also eliminates the possibility of a dealer/casino intentionally avoiding the sector you are playing (since we are not focusing on a specific sector)."


(The webmaster is a member here: KAV)

It will be interesting to share thoughts about this approach.

Very interesting idea. I tried in under RNG (which is of course NOT a roulette) for some session with positive results.

Pure mathematically, if we lived in a perfect world with fantastic unbiased wheels and without drift, deviations etc, would like like this. Each sector winning positive result shown below is when 8 units are places on table. So wager size - result.

This is calculated without any progression, beside the original intial progression.

1000 spins / 37 numbers = 27,7 spin each number (rounded down)


                                                                                         
Corner 0-1-2-3 profit on each win = 1u                             
Total profit after 1000 spins played (4x27,7)=110u 

Split 8/11-13/14-15/18-17/20-27/30 profit on win = 10u
Total profit after 1000 spins played (10x27,7) = 2770u 

Double Street 31/32/33/34/35/36 profit on win = 4u
Total profit after 1000 spins played (6x27,7) = 166,2u


Won = 3545u
Loss = 3767,2u
 
Result = -222,2u

This isn't bad at all. Please pay attention that this is the result of performance without ANY progression added.

It would be exiting to develop a good standing money management progression for this one. Please recommend.

Cheers.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Auskaki on Jan 21, 10:01 PM 2014
Thanks for sharing. Worth testing it out.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: rajucb12 on Apr 19, 03:00 PM 2014
Thanks for share it :D.I have seen this some time ago. Was interesting at first sight. What do you think about best progression here? Please spare me martingale as recommended there.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Kav on Apr 19, 03:48 PM 2014
Quote from: rajucb12 on Apr 19, 03:00 PM 2014
Thanks for share it :D.I have seen this some time ago. Was interesting at first sight. What do you think about best progression here? Please spare me martingale as recommended there.

No, the Martingale in not recommended "there (link:://:.x/p/kavouras-bet.html)" -please read more carefully.
I have described only the bet selection, not the money management.
Thanks for your interest though.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Auskaki on Apr 20, 05:26 AM 2014
I prefer to stick with the same 20 nos which I can bet as single nos or 10 sets of splits. Of course you can also play streets, box etc on them. With only 20 nos it is so much  easier to manage then all 36 + the single zero.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: vladir on May 02, 07:16 AM 2014
Kav, want to share your ideas on the MM for this?
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: GLC on May 02, 12:58 PM 2014
Quote from: rajucb12 on Apr 19, 03:00 PM 2014
Thanks for share it :D.I have seen this some time ago. Was interesting at first sight. What do you think about best progression here? Please spare me martingale as recommended there.

Here's a thought.  Why not use the Project 202 concept.  Play for 40 bets or until you reach a new high bankroll.  Every time you reach a new high bankroll, reset to bet #1 and start the 40 bet cycle again.  You will only get to 40 bets before resetting if you stay minus.  At the end of 40 bets and in a minus status, adjust your bet size up by 1 unit per bet location and start the 2nd cycle of 40 bets.  Of course any time you reach a new high bankroll, you reset back to 1 unit per bet location and bet number 1 in the 40 bet cycle.

I know that the author of Project 202 recommends only a 10-20% movement in bet sizes from one cycle to the next until you reach 3 losing cycles at which time you start ratcheting up the bet sizes expecting the Wins vs Losses to come back into normal ratios.  I have found in my testing that starting with $1 per chip and increasing by whole dollars is adequate.  I like the following progression:  1-2-3-4-5-7-9-12-15-18-21-25-30 etc...  This is just a suggestion.  You can adapt it to your liking by making it either more aggressive or less aggressive.

This is proving to be a very safe progression, but at 20 units per bet times whatever level you're at can get some pretty hefty draw downs so make sure you have plenty of bullets for the battle.

GLC

Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Kav on May 03, 09:08 PM 2014
Quote from: GLC on May 02, 12:58 PM 2014
[...]

This is proving to be a very safe progression, but at 20 units per bet times whatever level you're at can get some pretty hefty draw downs so make sure you have plenty of bullets for the battle.

GLC

Hi GLC,

I always read your posts with great interest. Just a correction. The original bet is a 20 numbers bet with only 8 units.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: GLC on May 04, 12:28 AM 2014
Quote from: Kav on May 03, 09:08 PM 2014
Hi GLC,

I always read your posts with great interest. Just a correction. The original bet is a 20 numbers bet with only 8 units.

Sorry about that, I read about the bet quite a while back and didn't take the time to refresh my memory.  Nevertheless, 8 units is even better.  Although, in the long run it doesn't really matter how many units per spin other than the size of the bankroll needed.

I also read your posts with great interest.  I have read most of the material posted at the Roulette 30 site as should anyone who is really interested in becoming a "winning" roulette player.  There's much to inform as to what to do and what not to do in our ongoing effort to find a personal, winning approach to playing this game of roulette.

With all due respect,

GLC
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Wally Gator on May 04, 10:39 PM 2014
Quote from: GLC on May 02, 12:58 PM 2014
Play for 40 bets or until you reach a new high bankroll. 

George, how did you come up with the number 40?
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: GLC on May 04, 11:49 PM 2014
Quote from: Wally Gator on May 04, 10:39 PM 2014
George, how did you come up with the number 40?

Wally my friend, good to hear from you. 

Mr. Moyer, the author of Project 202 stated that through testing a large amount of data, he determined that when betting the even chances on roulette, the distribution tends to balance out in 40 spins.  Now he was referring to even chance bets and it's entirely possible that The Kavouras Bet, being much more complicated, would require more than 40 spins. 

I use more than 40 spins for dozens.  I use the following logic.  If it takes 40 spins for balance (and remember, this is on average.  I've read other authors who use the number 100 placed bets for a balance on average.) on the E.C.'s, that's 20 spins for each option.  With dozens, we have 3 options so I use 60 spins.
For the lines, we would have to use 120 spins, etc... 

For the Kavouras bet we could calculate it like this.  20 numbers or options times 20 = 400 spins if you were betting 1 unit for each option.  400/8 = 50 spins.  Just thinking off the top of my head which is always dangerous.  Since there's no hair up there, just fuzz, I could be accused of using fuzzy math. :lol:

Please feel free to correct any logic or math errors.


GLC
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Let Me Win on Sep 18, 12:20 AM 2019
Eight years later and the Nazi   Ì¶G̶e̶e̶k̶ Greek still hasn't published his staking plan for this the most rediculious of bets.  :ooh:

Why is that?

Beware of Greeks bearing gifts....

Maybe GLC left the forum because you didn't have the courtesy to reply?



Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Kav on Sep 18, 02:31 AM 2019
Thanks for bumping this up.
Check out: link:://:.kavourasbet.com/
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Let Me Win on Sep 18, 02:41 AM 2019
In 2010 we wrote the first article where I revealed the totally original bet selection of my secret Kavouras strategy. It took the roulette world by surprise and soon became one of the most visited pages on the web. Serious roulette players realized very soon that this approach is very different than anything else out there. Clearly the result of great roulette experience, knowledge and creative thinking.


This is all lies. 

I'm laughing at the limited time offer of â,¬170 euros.

I guess you probably need the cash though considering what an awful state the Greek economy is in at the moment.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Kav on Sep 18, 10:03 AM 2019
I have your emails begging me to give you the strategy...
Sorry I banned you from my forum but you were a pain in you know where.
Steve has banned you too. Now you came up with that silly nickname and try to pretend your someone else.
But both Steve and myself know who you are.

Now listen. Deal with it and move on with your life. Stop acting like a child. But hey! keep bumping my topics up.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Let Me Win on Sep 18, 02:14 PM 2019
I think there is a case of mistaken identity.  :yawn:

I just genuinely dislike you.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Kav on Sep 19, 01:32 AM 2019
It is perfectly fine to dislike me.  8) It is not ok though, to attack me and my work.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION: The Kavouras Bet
Post by: Kav on Sep 23, 03:48 PM 2019
Since this is in the Sales Board, without even including a sales post (topic has been started years ago, not by me but by another member), please allow me at least to point you to he site where the Complete Kavouras Bet strategy can be purchased: KavourasBet.com (link:://:.kavourasbet.com/)

Thank you