Hey guys :)
I thought maybe we cud post up our results for each to see :thumbsup:
If ure usin P4 then post ure Full Shoe Results ;D
If ure usin a different method, then plz explain along with the Results :thumbsup:
I play 1-2-4
And after a loss 8-16-32
BUT the first game I play 8-16-32
Here are the results ;D
BPB
PBB
PPP
PBP +8 (this line now becomes the new line 1)
PBB
PBB
PPB +1
PPB
BPB
PBP +1
BPB
BBP
PBB +1
BPP
PBB
PBP +1
PPB
PPB
PPP +1
+13 Units
PPB
BBB
PPB
PPP +8 (new line 1)
BBB
BPP
BBB +1
BBB
BBB
BPP +1
BPP
BPB
BBP +1
BPP
BPB
PPB +1
BBB
PBP
PPB -7 (no chance to recover on this Shoe as this was last outcome)
+5 Units
Next Shoe I played ;D
BBB
PBP
PPB
PPB +16 (Starting bet (8 Units) and recovery from previous Shoe (8 Units)
PPB
PPP
PPB -7
PBB
BBB
BPB +8 (Recovery)
BBP
BPP
PPB +1
BBP
BPP
BPP +1
BPB
PPP
PBP +1
+20 Units
(Check out the Player hits here !!!)
PPP
PPP
BPP
PPB +8
BPP
PPP
BPP +1
PBP
PPP
BPP -7
PPP
BPP
PPP +8 (recovery)
BPP
BPB
PPB +1
BPB
BPP
BBB +1
+12 Units
Running Total +50 Units
Is anyone else playin this on Baccarat ?
Hi twister. appreciate the thread. your baccarat results look solid. thanks for sharing. I only tried on william hill RNG once, and had no loss, and about 6-7 units wins.
i think because only 8 different combinations,
because only 8 diff . combinations, there is 1/8 chance of you getting the same one again(you are betting against).
this is same position as H/L people or O/E, R/B. so you have a +88% chance of success with this method, and chances of getting hit twice is rare.
only flaw i think is the 2 separate progressions, and overall only 1 unit gains(if playing P1) per every 4. so overall in one shoe which lasts an hour, approx 13-15units only can be gained total.
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 03, 05:28 AM 2011
Hi twister. appreciate the thread. your baccarat results look solid. thanks for sharing. I only tried on william hill RNG once, and had no loss, and about 6-7 units wins.
i think because only 8 different combinations,
because only 8 diff . combinations, there is 1/8 chance of you getting the same one again(you are betting against).
this is same position as H/L people or O/E, R/B. so you have a +88% chance of success with this method, and chances of getting hit twice is rare.
only flaw I think is the 2 separate progressions, and overall only 1 unit gains(if playing P1) per every 4. so overall in one shoe which lasts an hour, approx 13-15units only can be gained total.
No worries mate ;D
Be carful with RNG mate, you may as well be playing slots !!!
I'm open to ideas with regard to progression :)
don't forget they are "Units" so if your playing £5 min bet then times it by 5 !
Same Method and progression as before :)
PBB
BPP
PBB
BBB +8
PBP
BPB
PBP +1
BPB
BBP
PBP -7
BBB
PPB
PPB +8 (recovery)
PBB
PPB
PBP +1
BBB
PPP
PPB +1
+12 Units
Next Shoe ;D
PPB
PBB
BPB
PPP +8
PBP
PBP
PBP +1
BPB
BPP
BPP +1
PBP
PPP
BPB +1
PPB
BBP
PPB +1
BPB
BPP
BPP +1
+13 Units
Next Shoe ;D
PBB
BBP
BBP
PPB +8
BPB
PPB
BPP +1
BPB
PPB
BPB +1
PBB
PPP
BBB +1
PBB
PPP
BPB +1
BPB
BBB
PBP +1
+13 Units
Go Twister!!!
Might just change my mind and start playing Baccarat!
Never played it before but these do look like good numbers.
Welldone!
Regards,
Mauricio
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 03, 09:35 AM 2011
Go Twister!!!
Might just change my mind and start playing Baccarat!
Never played it before but these do look like good numbers.
Welldone!
Regards,
Mauricio
Cheers mate ;D
Yes, it beats Roulette every time as it has NO ZERO :xd: !!!
Its trully 50/50 :)
Paper bet a few Shoes and see how you get on. If you need any help just shout me :thumbsup:
Final Shoe of the day ;D
PBP
BPB
PPB
BBB +8
PPB
BBB
PBB +1
PPB
PBP
PPP +1
BPB
BPB
BBP +1
PBB
PBP
BBB +1
+12 Units
Running Total +100 Units
*****Currently on a run of 20 consecutive Wins*****
Hi twister hope you feell well...regarding baccarat you might find it interesting...pdf attached
hi Twisteruk, like the look of this, always fun to try a new game!
have just googled how to play baccarat :) & going to papertest it..
can i just ask , in your reply #3 you say-
PPB +16 (Starting bet (8 Units) and recovery from previous Shoe (8 Units)
does this mean you were doing a 16,32,64 progression here?
cheers
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 03, 05:28 AM 2011
Hi twister. appreciate the thread. your baccarat results look solid. thanks for sharing. I only tried on william hill RNG once, and had no loss, and about 6-7 units wins.
i think because only 8 different combinations,
because only 8 diff . combinations, there is 1/8 chance of you getting the same one again(you are betting against).
this is same position as H/L people or O/E, R/B. so you have a +88% chance of success with this method, and chances of getting hit twice is rare.
only flaw I think is the 2 separate progressions, and overall only 1 unit gains(if playing P1) per every 4. so overall in one shoe which lasts an hour, approx 13-15units only can be gained total.
8 different combinations is true
but...
4 of those put you on the 2nd step
ie
play against
111
you have
222
212
211
221
could take you on the 3rd step
222
221
and finally you only loose your progression on 1/8
222
====
so if you play 1-2-4
and loose 1/8
you get even
you may use hit & run and leave as soon as you hit +7 on a positive Ecart
or
you can play it other ways
i would try at least 4 diff progressions before that one
1st
1-1-1
2-2-2
3-3-3
4-4-4
etc
2nd
regression
7-3-1
3rd
longest fibbo
1-1-1-2-3-5-8-13...
4th
modified D'Alembert (in which you win as soon as W and L balance out and then reset)
ie.
start with 20units bet
increase +3 on a Loss
decrease -4 on a Win
=====================================================
Also if you apply a little mod to your PB4 you will gain even more odds in your favor....
this is obtained applying the following rule:
you have your matrix
122
211
211-now instead of betting against your first outcome (1)
you wait for the 10th outcome
if it is the Same as the first you play the next two against until a win, ie. (1) bet 1- bet 1
if it is Opposite to the first you play the next to repeat until a win, ie. (2) bet bet 2 - bet 2
I do not intend to change J.Legend system. Just to give you my thoughts on how to improve it,
concerning your worries...
You may consider this a mod.
try it if you like it, then compare it to the original version.
;)
Quote from: maestro on Jun 03, 10:25 AM 2011
Hi twister hope you feell well...regarding baccarat you might find it interesting...pdf attached
Thank you, yes I have good days and bad ;D
Thanx for the link, I will check it out :thumbsup:
Quote from: monaco on Jun 03, 10:31 AM 2011
Hi Twisteruk, like the look of this, always fun to try a new game!
have just googled how to play baccarat :) & going to papertest it..
can I just ask , in your reply #3 you say-
PPB +16 (Starting bet (8 Units) and recovery from previous Shoe (8 Units)
does this mean you were doing a 16,32,64 progression here?
cheers
Yes mate thats what that meant :)
Plz keep us up to date with ure Baccarat experience ;D
Just one other piece of info due to the PM's ive had,
YES ! I play the entire Shoe every time.
Why ?
Its "Set in Stone" so to speak and will always flow so I see no need to "hit and run"
As my BR increase I will increase my Unit size.
ALL results are given in Units. So if ure playing £1 £5 £10 etc you can work out ure Return ;D
hi there twister. Hope health is improving as i see you more and more active here. :love:
i played your 2nd session against the results from 1st session
random vs random
I used the following rules:
play 5 times at 1unit restarting whenever your in plus
stay in this level until 2 Losses in a row.
In this case Wait for a win and start bet at next level, same rules apply.
Restart from one once reached a new high.
It was not a "famous" session but...
[reveal]
previous
B
P
B
P
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P
B
B
P
B
B
P
P
B
P
P
B
B
P
B
P
B
P
B
P
B
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
P
P
P
B
P
P
B
P
P
P | current
P
P
B
B
B
B
P
P
B
P
P
P
B
B
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
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B
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B
P
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B
P
B
B
B
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B
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B
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B
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B
B
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B
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P
P
B | LW-track
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L | Bet
1
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1
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1
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1
1
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| Pay
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2
2
2
2
2
2
2
6
6
8
8
8
12
12
12
4
4
2
2
2
| Net
1
1
-1
1
1
1
1
-1
1
-1
1
-1
1
1
-1
0
0
0
0
-2
-2
0
-3
3
-3
3
-3
0
-4
4
4
-4
4
-5
0
0
-5
-6
6
6
11
-1
0
-2
3
-1
0
0
0
-2
3
1
-1
1
1
0 | Bankroll
-1
0
1
0
1
2
3
4
3
4
3
4
3
4
5
4
4
4
4
4
2
0
0
-3
0
-3
0
-3
-3
-7
-3
1
-3
1
-4
-4
-4
-9
-15
-9
-3
8
7
7
5
8
7
7
7
7
5
8
9
8
9
10
10 |
[/reveal]
O0
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 03, 03:22 PM 2011
Hi there twister. Hope health is improving as I see you more and more active here. :love:
i played your 2nd session against the results from 1st session
random vs random
I used the following rules:
play 5 times at 1unit restarting whenever your in plus
stay in this level until 2 Losses in a row.
In this case Wait for a win and start bet at next level, same rules apply.
Restart from one once reached a new high.
It was not a "famous" session but...
[reveal]
previous
B
P
B
P
B
B
P
P
P
P
B
P
P
B
B
P
B
B
P
P
B
P
P
B
B
P
B
P
B
P
B
P
B
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
P
P
P
B
B
P
B
P
P
P
B
P
P
B
P
P
P | current
P
P
B
B
B
B
P
P
B
P
P
P
B
B
B
B
P
P
B
B
B
B
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B
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B
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B
B
B
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B | LW-track
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| Pay
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2
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2
2
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8
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12
12
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4
2
2
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| Net
1
1
-1
1
1
1
1
-1
1
-1
1
-1
1
1
-1
0
0
0
0
-2
-2
0
-3
3
-3
3
-3
0
-4
4
4
-4
4
-5
0
0
-5
-6
6
6
11
-1
0
-2
3
-1
0
0
0
-2
3
1
-1
1
1
0 | Bankroll
-1
0
1
0
1
2
3
4
3
4
3
4
3
4
5
4
4
4
4
4
2
0
0
-3
0
-3
0
-3
-3
-7
-3
1
-3
1
-4
-4
-4
-9
-15
-9
-3
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[/reveal]
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Hi mate :)
Well Im in bed all day so to speak and just doin the minimum. Thanx for askin :)
Is that how you play all ure bac sessions ?
Ive really enjoyed P4 this last few days ;D
no i do not play this way. it was an experiment on more conservative progressions, and with random against random, as i feel the ecart is slower and less.
here are two more examples on conservative progressions.
alembert after L and after LW
good results. ;)
But nothing of this matters if you do not recover well. seize your resting time, as to get stronger.
I had a couple of similar cases in my close family... I am with you.
Best wishes
AL
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 03, 03:36 PM 2011
No I do not play this way. it was an experiment on more conservative progressions, and with random against random, as I feel the ecart is slower and less.
here are two more examples on conservative progressions.
alembert after L and after LW
good results. ;)
But nothing of this matters if you do not recover well. seize your resting time, as to get stronger.
I had a couple of similar cases in my close family... I am with you.
Best wishes
AL
Great, i will check them out but be 2morrow now as im beat !
Yeah im doin the bare min I play a Shoe then have some sleep rinse and repeat :D
All i need now is my french maid lol :xd: :twisted: :lol:
Quote from: maestro on Jun 03, 10:25 AM 2011
Hi twister hope you feell well...regarding baccarat you might find it interesting...pdf attached
There's a nice explanation of eirescott's 'holy grail' here (link:://imspirit.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/can-betting-on-birthdays-make-you-rich/).
Quote from: Bayes on Jun 03, 03:47 PM 2011
There's a nice explanation of eirescott's 'holy grail' here (link:://imspirit.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/can-betting-on-birthdays-make-you-rich/).
wonderful!
what about the odds for the single objects to repeat themselves inn a trail of X?
;)
that was just what I was trying to proove...
we are betting nothing more than the progression. So tweaks must be made to the progression as the presented bet selection/design is useless.
in the end is all about catching an uptrend.
Nice to have you here Bayes.
Cheers
AL
=============================
Also here is 3rd session played against 2nd.
And 4th against 3rd
lw conservative trigger
notice that i place much more bets than in the original version... it should have tanked by now (as twister sessions already did)
so now the first session played with the mod i presented
and with regression 7-3-1
play after a Win that comes after a series of Losses.
[reveal]
BPB
PBB
PPP
PBP ll
PBB ll
PBB ww
PPB w 7
PPB w 3
BPB lw 0
PBP w 1 11
BPB w 7
BBP w 3
PBB lw 0
BPP lw 0
PBB w 1 22
PBP lw 0
PPB w 7
PPB w 3
PPP w 1 33 |
[/reveal]
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+33 units
Quote from: monaco on Jun 03, 10:31 AM 2011
Hi Twisteruk, like the look of this, always fun to try a new game!
have just googled how to play baccarat :) & going to papertest it..
can I just ask , in your reply #3 you say-
PPB +16 (Starting bet (8 Units) and recovery from previous Shoe (8 Units)
does this mean you were doing a 16,32,64 progression here?
cheers
1-2-4= 7units
8-16-32 = 56units
16-32-64 = 112units
??? :sad2:
175units if you loose 3 times in a row
LLLLLLLLL scenario
wow that is quite a risk isn't it?
you would loose 42 in the same scenario if using 7-3-1
:o
it is a bit more than 4 times less
??? ???
after 4 shoes
i have +50
same as your results
but with 4 times less exposure.
Cheers
"175units if you lose 3 times in a row
LLLLLLLLL scenario
wow that is quite a risk isn't it?
you would lose 42 in the same scenario if using 7-3-1
it is a bit more than 4 times less"
Good points, alberto.
But we must all remember that The Twister is A Man Of Steel -- with large, steel cojones!
So he can handle risks that would cause us a coronary. ;D
Quote from: esoito on Jun 03, 10:19 PM 2011
"175units if you lose 3 times in a row
LLLLLLLLL scenario
wow that is quite a risk isn't it?
you would lose 42 in the same scenario if using 7-3-1
it is a bit more than 4 times less"
Good points, alberto.
But we must all remember that The Twister is A Man Of Steel -- with large, steel cojones!
So he can handle risks that would cause us a coronary. ;D
;D :twisted:
its just i had the same results with a quarter of that exposure, wich makes it a much more reliable system.
Cheers
What do ppl think about the progression ?
I play a 1-2-4 and then a 8-16-32 recovery
I do tend to play the first bet 8-16-32 but now wonder if thats a good idea as a 64-128-256 would be needed for recovery
Obviously thats fine until it busts :-\
Opinions !?!?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jun 04, 11:32 AM 2011
What do people think about the progression ?
I play a 1-2-4 and then a 8-16-32 recovery
I do tend to play the first bet 8-16-32 but now wonder if that's a good idea as a 64-128-256 would be needed for recovery
Obviously that's fine until it busts :-\
Opinions !?!?
i gave you mine.
I will go outnow tomorrow i will state it again.
cheers.
AL
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jun 04, 11:32 AM 2011
What do people think about the progression ?
I play a 1-2-4 and then a 8-16-32 recovery
I do tend to play the first bet 8-16-32 but now wonder if that's a good idea as a 64-128-256 would be needed for recovery
Obviously that's fine until it busts :-\
Opinions !?!?
Hi Paul , I am glad to see you back (hope you feel better).
And don t bet so high my friend, because for sure will bust,
and all you have won in 1 or 2 weeks will go back to the casino(and maybe more).
Why don t you try flat bet 8-8-8/ 8-8-8 until you hit target +8 or +16 or +24
or hit stop lose -48 ( so twice -24).
Or stay on 1,2,4 then 8,16,32 but still hard to recover the total lose.
Just my humble opinion.
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Jun 04, 06:23 PM 2011
Hi Paul , I am glad to see you back (hope you feel better).
And don't bet so high my friend, because for sure will bust,
and all you have won in 1 or 2 weeks will go back to the casino(and maybe more).
Why don't you try flat bet 8-8-8/ 8-8-8 until you hit target +8 or +16 or +24
or hit stop-loss -48 ( so twice -24).
Or stay on 1,2,4 then 8,16,32 but still hard to recover the total lose.
Just my humble opinion.
cheers
Hi mate :)
Yes not too bad thanx, I spend all day in bed and log in and out on and off throughout the day :)
Thank you for your opinion on the progression, I agree with you. Flat prob is best :thumbsup:
Hi there
For playing it non stop i would recomend some attila stretched fibbo fpr safety purposes.
11111-22222-33333-55555-etc
also for bigger profits try to play regression 7-3-1
Cheers
AL
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 05, 03:32 PM 2011
Hi there
For playing it non stop I would recomend some attila stretched fibbo for safety purposes.
11111-22222-33333-55555-etc
also for bigger profits try to play regression 7-3-1
Cheers
AL
Thanx mate :thumbsup:
Hey Twister,
How's this holding up?
Regards,
Mauricio
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jun 05, 07:19 AM 2011
Hi mate :)
Yes not too bad thanks, I spend all day in bed and log in and out on and off throughout the day :)
Thank you for your opinion on the progression, I agree with you. Flat prob is best :thumbsup:
P4 just does not work with flat betting. let me illustrate an example:
PBP
PPB
BBP
PBB > win on 3rd bet. You lost 2 bets. With flat bet we're down -2 units. With marty, we're up 1 unit.
PBP >> win on 2nd bet(betting on 2nd line above). Lost 1 bet. -3+1 = -2 units
so you see. Because we don't get it right until sometimes the 3rd letter P or B, this is why flat betting just doesn;t work with P4. P4 can only be used with martingale. no other progression.
in those 2 "wins" we are at loss with flat bet, and just wasted our time. With marty, we're up 2 units.
Quote from: Maui13 on Jun 07, 05:47 AM 2011
Hey Twister,
How's this holding up?
Regards,
Mauricio
Ive not played in a few days mate, hence no update
I think its a solid system for sure but as has been said the progression may kill you
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jun 07, 06:11 AM 2011
I've not played in a few days mate, hence no update
I think its a solid system for sure but as has been said the progression may kill you
there are other safer ways of playing that.
i referred to them on this very thread, just give it a try and feedback if it fits your playing style.
Cheers,
AL
Hi guys ^-^
Im playing P4 on baccarat but a little different so I would love your thoughts on this
Ok, first im playing consecutively, meaning i play the 4th pattern to be different than the 1st, the 5th different than the 2nd, ...and so on
I noticed that almost all wins happen on the 1st or 2nd bet so i play just the two of them
I have a 5 level progression:
1. 1/2
2. 2/4
3. 4/8
4. 8/16
5. 16/32
Two times the higgest level your'e on then once per level going down, for instance if I lose three times in a row I would play:
Level 4
Level 4
Level 3
Level 2
Back to level 1
For me it works like a charm, haven't been to the 5th level yet.
In this way we can avoid 2 losing streaks in a row.
It makes less money per hand but is safer
What do you think?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jun 02, 02:45 PM 2011
(Check out the Player hits here !!!)
PPP
PPP
BPP
PPB +8
BPP
PPP
BPP +1
PBP
PPP
BPP -7
PPP
BPP
PPP +8 (recovery)
BPP
BPB
PPB +1
BPB
BPP
BBB +1
+12 Units
Running Total +50 Units
will lose bankroll with a starting bet of 8 units
start with the lowest possible.
Hi Albertjonas,
Could you elaborate more on how to use the 7-3-1 progression?
Thanks.
any1 still playing baccarat?
I play baccarat as my primary game.
I guess that makes at least two people here who play.
AD