No bet selection has any advantage over others. Say, you chase a single number. Never forget that 36/37 numbers are against you and they can stretch your session for so long that either you lose all your bankroll or get tired before it hits. I have personally faced a single number remaining sleeper for more than 250 times. Even an EC may go as long as 25-30 times in succession coupled with/without zero while its counterpart remaining sleeper for that time. That is why instead of picking any particular EC, I suggested using a dice to chose your bets. There is nothing like patterns, what you see as two reds and two blacks are basically 4 numbers which are quite unrelated.
I am writing this because a friend of mine just bought a system which says start betting after a dozen does not show for 5 times in a row. He won in beginning but lost later. Such styles of playing is a confirm loser and you will have to lose more than you earned through it. Suggesting Martingale and a fixed bet (dozen/EC) is a trap and do not ever go for it. You will keep winning 1 unit till you lose all (winnings+your bankroll). The systems asking to join a particular casino by providing links is a death trap. Casinos give affiliate commission to there affiliates on the losses incurred by their referred players. They earn from the sale of their mala fide system as well as from your losses.
Don't ever try any system suggesting any particular casino with links, do not use unwise progressions like Martingale or Grand Martingale and any Fix Bet Selection.
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 09, 11:06 PM 2011
No bet selection has any advantage over others.
no? how come? there are many that seem to have, otherwise roulette would be suppressed in favor of keno or lotto or bingo...
:yawn:
Which particular bet has advantage over other? Either dare to speak with logic and proof or don't poke your nose in every topic of mine.
albalaha is right.
Unluckily most of players think to have a very effective bet selection.
It doesn't exist.
Only a good money management(no greedy) can resist(not beat) to the power of roulette.
It is unbeatable,otherwise Casinos would be alredy closed.
When some members post somethimg about a very good bet selection,I laugh but at the same time I'm sad because of their stupidity.
Only the universe and the human stupidity are infinite,but as far universe is concerned I have still some doubts!
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 10, 12:00 AM 2011
Which particular bet has advantage over other? Either dare to speak with logic and proof or don't poke your nose in every topic of mine.
i wasn't personally attacking you.
what you wrote is a truism. in the long run every bet will harm you. In this sense that is what it is, not a piece of advice from an experienced connoisseur you pretend to look with your empty talk.
despite your rudeness, I will re affirm that are bet selections better than others, and the proof is any system that preforms better than other despite money management.
play same spins with different systems same mm. results are different.
why?
Because one bet selection is better than other.
i will re affirm that are bet selections better than others... as for proof, I will prove it with my prince system
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 10, 02:13 AM 2011
Albalaha is right.
Unluckily most of players think to have a very effective bet selection.
It doesn't exist.
Only a good money management(no greedy) can resist(not beat) to the power of roulette.
It is unbeatable,otherwise Casinos would be alredy closed.
When some members post somethimg about a very good bet selection,I laugh but at the same time I'm sad because of their stupidity.
Only the universe and the human stupidity are infinite,but as far universe is concerned I have still some doubts!
it is unbeatable. the systems that we have are only going to beat them a little. they can't be played in a live casino, too much time spent.
albertojonas
With the system A you earn more than with the system B in a given number of spins.
You say that depends of the bet selection.
LOL!
It depends on the "permutation" of these spins.
I hope you know what I'm speaking about!
For sure you'll find a different number of spins where the system B performs better than system A with the same or another bet selection,still due to "permutation".
It's incredible to read comments like yours.
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 09, 11:06 PM 2011
No bet selection has any advantage over others. Say, you chase a single number. Never forget that 36/37 numbers are against you and they can stretch your session for so long that either you lose all your bankroll or get tired before it hits. I have personally faced a single number remaining sleeper for more than 250 times. Even an EC may go as long as 25-30 times in succession coupled with/without zero while its counterpart remaining sleeper for that time. That is why instead of picking any particular EC, I suggested using a dice to chose your bets. There is nothing like patterns, what you see as two reds and two blacks are basically 4 numbers which are quite unrelated.
I am writing this because a friend of mine just bought a system which says start betting after a dozen does not show for 5 times in a row. He won in beginning but lost later. Such styles of playing is a confirm loser and you will have to lose more than you earned through it. Suggesting Martingale and a fixed bet (dozen/EC) is a trap and do not ever go for it. You will keep winning 1 unit till you lose all (winnings+your bankroll). The systems asking to join a particular casino by providing links is a death trap. Casinos give affiliate commission to there affiliates on the losses incurred by their referred players. They earn from the sale of their mala fide system as well as from your losses.
Don't ever try any system suggesting any particular casino with links, do not use unwise progressions like Martingale or Grand Martingale and any Fix Bet Selection.
I suppose everybody will agree the game is about speculating on roulette outcomes.
When you decide a bet selection you are puting into stake whatever you believe will show in next spin/s.
It is up to the player whatever support his/her bet selection.
So bet selection needs some kind of decision from the player.
It can be related to past spin, randomness vs randomeness, some kind of money management and others parameters or a merge of these.
If your strategy derives from a method that takes into account past spins it could happen that you decide to play on frecuent events showing above their expected outcome probability.
Then you can speculate that event or events to continue.
If you are recording, tracking and calculating how those events behave in short term by means of matrices then you can speculate inside those events universe.
If you are to bet on a double street which is over rated in the present time your speculation attend betting for 5 spins, flat betting, since a hit inside those spins means you are raising 1 chips in worst escenario. If you lose then you stop betting.
That DS has quitted its former positive frecuence.
If you discard from your bet selection those events under rated by current chance behavior then you should have an edge to win consistently.
You need the right tools for such purpose, a skillfull reading of the results produced by those tools and decision to produce the announced bets.
Not to say a thorough knowledge of numbered distribution characteristics along the wheel while mastering the concept of secuence (series) all events are bound to as a result of ball random behavior.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Dear alberto,
Whenever you reply to any topic read the entire debate first. Then take a deep breath. Try to analyse it calmly and then speak politely as to what you feel to be right or wrong and why. You said:Quotein the long run every bet will harm you
but I am saying something else. I am saying that there can't be any fixed bet (particularly an EC/dozen etc. or a slice of wheel) which has advantage over other. In some sessions, red will overshadow Black and in other vice-versa.
Illogical replies are nuisance and personal attacks are rude. Always keep it in mind. You are most welcome to criticise me and my concepts but sensibly.
I don't agree with that.
If you were playing ec bets and it went 30 without a win, that would mean my system would have 10 lines failing above each other, this is not possible.
So some bet selections are better that other.
Mimoto
Dear Mimoto,
Which fixed bet selection is better than other? Please elaborate.
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 10, 07:08 AM 2011
Dear Mimoto,
Which fixed bet selection is better than other? Please elaborate.
None. Fixed bet selection are bound to fail. That's why progressions are implemented. What a fixed bet can't do by itself a progression is developed to attain the expected hit.
Problem is when further step in a progression fail to achieve the hit.
Roulette game is dynamic so you have to try dynamic criteria to select your bets.
Quote from: mimoto on Jun 10, 06:47 AM 2011
, this is not possible.
Everything is possible in roulette.
(No bet selection has any advantage over others)
This is what you said in your first post, and i can't see the word fixed.
Ok keep the bycile and run off.
:D
your tricks with words.
Check Marigny de Grilleau's work and evolve.
it's all about your replies. tough love...
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 10, 03:42 AM 2011
it is unbeatable. the systems that we have are only going to beat them a little. they can't be played in a live casino, too much time spent.
except for the kaka system
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 10, 03:42 AM 2011
it is unbeatable. the systems that we have are only going to beat them a little. they can't be played in a live casino, too much time spent.
they are beatable they are not CONQERABLE
I do find your last post somewhat negative, you have posted over 1000+ and you still think roulette can not be beaten!!!!! (or can be with dice)
Why are you here?
Are we not all here to share positive information about roulette?
Do you not talk / share information with your friends about roulette.
Am sure that all of us here that play alot, know about the wait 5 dozen bullshit, £10 of ebay.
You should have know that wont work and told your friend about it.
Be positive albalana
Quote from: Halba1 on Jun 10, 03:42 AM 2011
it is unbeatable. the systems that we have are only going to beat them a little. they can't be played in a live casino, too much time spent.
My f non system beat 1000+ live spins continuously. These spins were provided by albalaha himself. I think they were the first 10 screenshots.
Quote from: Fripper on Jun 10, 07:26 AM 2011
Everything is possible in roulette.
If this were true that would make the game perfect and all of us fool for wasting years and valuable time in this forum.
If you saw 30 reds and then started beating you would NOT lose.
JL had the right idea with his systems.
Ask random to do something it cannot do. Here is where the key to beating roulette lies.
The key to beating roulette is to study it!!!!!
If you spent as much time studying roulette as you spend working for a living, do you think you would be any better at it? The answer would be yes, as in anything.
Day 1 of you learning to paint, your paintings wiil be shit, 5 years of painting and you may be able to sell one and proud of it. (to become good at anything you need to put in some time and that is the problem with todays people) we all want the quick fix with no effort.
Its the same with all that you study. the more you get to know the game the better you will be.
If people spent as much time testing roulette as people do watching television, (ie) mindliss media depression. (visual chewing gum) you may have a better chance at beating it.
It is after all a man made game, and everything man invent, man beat.
positive thinking.
.
It is all in the way of your thinking.
If your glass is always half empty, then give up now as you have the wrong approach
No bettter money on earth than free money!!!!!
Never give up people, its man made.
A system that has shown short-term disadvantage (ie. is currently losing) is not due to recover in the future, because every single spin going forward is random and subject to the exact same odds as those that have been already completed in the past. I disagree with the notion, however, that there are no identifiable advantages to be had. My bet method, the Eggleston Betting Method, which is a dynamic rather than static bet, shows that you can have the odds mathematically in your favor. I have not found a vehicle by which to implement the system consistently, but the math is irrefutable.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-eggleston-betting-system/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/roulette-and-gambling-framework/the-eggleston-betting-system/)
Focus on the math, not the bet selection, and you will see that it is beatable without having to sneak computers into casinos are look for a table with a messed up leg.
Quote from: frost on Jun 10, 12:20 PM 2011
If you saw 30 reds and then started beating you would NOT lose.
JL had the right idea with his systems.
Ask random to do something it cannot do. Here is where the key to beating roulette lies.
So, if you see 30 reds and start betting with a martingale or whatever on black for 10 spins. Do you think it's impossible to see 41 reds?
What can't random do?
Hey Guys,
Concentrate on the current debate of "advantages or disadvantages of a fixed bet" only. Those who have nothing to talk about this particular topic, please stay away. Please do not argue whether roulette itself is beatable or not. I think bet selection is far more important than progression and those who forgot this aspect, lost big. Secondly, Martingale sort of progressions are proven failure even if you start playing after Red appears 50 times in a row. This type of thinking is escapist approach to play roulette. There is absolutely no limit on how many times something may recur and nothing can be said about EC bets which has 18 choices (numbers) to fall into. First understand randomness before thinking what it can do or not. There is nothing like patterns in roulette and if there are, we can not predict which pattern is emerging and how long will it remain. So think rationally. Dynamic bets as Carpanta said or Random pick as I am saying (e.g. dice method) can be an approach to have your bets to safeguard ourselves from long losing streaks in case we have a fixed EC bet.
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 10, 12:00 AM 2011
Which particular bet has advantage over other? Either dare to speak with logic and proof or don't poke your nose in every topic of mine.
Not arguing with you sir but posts like this are odd. What is your favorite method to play and WHY? Why play that method if everything is the same? Thats like being on a movie forum but a person HATES movies, makes no sense.
Ken
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 10, 09:56 PM 2011
Hey Guys,
Concentrate on the current debate of "advantages or disadvantages of a fixed bet" only. Those who have nothing to talk about this particular topic, please stay away. Please do not argue whether roulette itself is beatable or not. I think bet selection is far more important than progression and those who forgot this aspect, lost big. Secondly, Martingale sort of progressions are proven failure even if you start playing after Red appears 50 times in a row. This type of thinking is escapist approach to play roulette. There is absolutely no limit on how many times something may recur and nothing can be said about EC bets which has 18 choices (numbers) to fall into. First understand randomness before thinking what it can do or not. There is nothing like patterns in roulette and if there are, we can not predict which pattern is emerging and how long will it remain. So think rationally. Dynamic bets as Carpanta said or Random pick as I am saying (e.g. dice method) can be an approach to have your bets to safeguard ourselves from long losing streaks in case we have a fixed EC bet.
Man, you are one strange cat. Now you are trying to control discussion on an internet forum. You also said this:
"First understand randomness before thinking what it can do or not." Then you lay down your opinion of randomness. I wonder if you are willing to discuss that? Here it is again:
"There is nothing like patterns in roulette and if there are, we can not predict which pattern is emerging and how long will it remain. So think rationally."Look, this is the same old mathboyz argument. They always get stuck on prediction. You can see something emerge into view and see how long it continues to exist. You can do this irregardless of seeing it in the entrails of an owl or in some crystal ball. If I see a stretch of reds that lasts for seven spins I didn't have to see it coming a week ago in a vision. If that string continues to fifteen in a row then I'm a rich SOB. It only takes one right bet to take a chance on it. It has nothing to do with prediction. It has everything to do with trial and error. You test to see if you are in a winning streak. It's like merging into lanes on the freeway. You merge into winning conditions. You certainly wouldn't go to a fortune teller to figure out how to do that would you?
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 10, 09:56 PM 2011
Hey Guys,
I think bet selection is far more important than progression and those who forgot this aspect, lost big. Secondly, Martingale sort of progressions are proven failure even if you start playing after Red appears 50 times in a row. This type of thinking is escapist approach to play roulette. There is absolutely no limit on how many times something may recur and nothing can be said about EC bets which has 18 choices (numbers) to fall into. First understand randomness before thinking what it can do or not. There is nothing like patterns in roulette and if there are, we can not predict which pattern is emerging and how long will it remain. So think rationally. Dynamic bets as Carpanta said or Random pick as I am saying (e.g. dice method) can be an approach to have your bets to safeguard ourselves from long losing streaks in case we have a fixed EC bet.
i agree with all of that except highlight parts
on first you are implying that there are bet selections.
i agree that random vs random is a good way to approach the nature of the game.
i ignore the part when you say stay away from this thread. you wrote it for discussion wright?
Respect,
AL
Dear Alberto,
there is a difference between bet selection(which can be static or dynamic) and selecting a fix bet for entire session. I am just trying to say that chasing a particular bet blindly coupled with dangerous progressions like martingale always prroves fatal at the end. You may remain unaffected by its evils for a few sessions but at last it will take away whatever you have earned or even more.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 10, 10:20 PM 2011
Look, this is the same old mathboyz argument. They always get stuck on prediction. You can see something emerge into view and see how long it continues to exist. You can do this irregardless of seeing it in the entrails of an owl or in some crystal ball. If I see a stretch of reds that lasts for seven spins I didn't have to see it coming a week ago in a vision. If that string continues to fifteen in a row then I'm a rich SOB. It only takes one right bet to take a chance on it. It has nothing to do with prediction. It has everything to do with trial and error. You test to see if you are in a winning streak. It's like merging into lanes on the freeway. You merge into winning conditions. You certainly wouldn't go to a fortune teller to figure out how to do that would you?
I absolutely agree with Gizmotron's post. For those starting to play roulette whose mind is not already contaminated with misleading math theories last Giz's statement should be printed and keep it handy to remind randomness behavior can be matched with a watchfull eye.
Trial an error is the strategy to play roulette. It implies one has to especulate with roulette outcomes but in a smart way.
Example if you see red EC chance is dominating for the present time and inside this chance low numbers are prevailing over high numbers you can put into play those 9 numbers (red/ low) for no more than 3 spins. Why? Because if outcomes prove you right, the trend continues, then you'll have a hit in that gap and then you can try again same bet for next 3 spins and so on.
The moment you fail to have a hit on your betting event inside that stipulated 3 spins, you stop playing and wait for an event of your choice doing well again to apply same strategy.
For a six numbers event you'll do the same but for 5 spins because that is its positive frecuence.
So no prediction required, just speculate with a trial an error strategy is the key to track and bet on random events. Timing and continuity are the real parameters to mesure randomness behavior. Then use the right tools for that purpose.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: albalaha on Jun 11, 01:39 AM 2011
Dear Alberto,
there is a difference between bet selection(which can be static or dynamic) and selecting a fix bet for entire session. I am just trying to say that chasing a particular bet blindly coupled with dangerous progressions like martingale always prroves fatal at the end. You may remain unaffected by its evils for a few sessions but at last it will take away whatever you have earned or even more.
now you made your point sir.
;)
Quote: Sent by albalaha on June 09, 2011, 11:00:16 pm
Which particular bet has advantage over other? Either dare to speak with logic and proof or don't poke your nose in every topic of mine.
Not arguing with you sir but posts like this are odd. What is your favorite method to play and WHY? Why play that method if everything is the same? That's like being on a movie forum but a person HATES movies, makes no sense.
Ken
I like arguments but logical ones. If someone thrashes a concept without giving any reasoning, it hurts. I tender my apologies to Albertojonas.