I'm thinking of dumping the holy grail method right in this forum's lap. I'm doing this just to see what happens next. John Patrick found the way on his own. I found the way on my own. Only one thing. I went much further in the study of randomness than he has been willing to share with us. I'm willing to show how randomness works and how it relates to trends. It will be easy to tell you this method. Many of you won't be in a frame of mind to accept it. It will be just like when card counting was thought to be an advantage that everyone would master easily. Only problem was that most people could not master it. But history has shown that those players that could master it got banned from playing when they used it.
So this is the perfect way to get this section started. The trick to beating Roulette is in seeing conditions and having MM solutions to react to what you are seeing. You can practice your bet selection guessing at home. In that way you can hone the skill it takes to be a winner. It's not enough just to see the different types of trends. You must know how to react to what you are seeing. I'll give you two opposing types of methods that juxtapose each other's random conditions. Now on their own they would lose in the long run. But combined with intelligent selection they become a form of an advantage. If you master this single skill you can win your sessions.
Gizmotron's Method:
Chart a Roulette wheel for 12 to 18 spins, read the Marquee. If you see a dominance of singles in the dozens or the columns then flat bet the other two other than the last spin. Keep this up until the stretch of singles dominance ends. You must win two times for each loss just to break even so keep track of your balance standing. I recommend 5 units for each bet placed. If the balance point shifts to support repeats in the dozens or columns then use this progression betting on wherever the last spin landed. Ignore the zeros and bet the next bet as if it was just a loss but not an indicator. The single dozen or column progression is simple. It's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and then 7 & 7 on the other two. So the last bet is a shift from the selection to follow the last dozen or column to a selection that the singles will continue. Sometimes the randomness condition is to not use the last double dozen or double column bet. So sometimes I don't use it. I just take the loss.
...and with that let the games begin.
that is quite cool.
Hermes had an approach with some similarities where he would bet two phases
A: the two last appearances
B: two that not the last one
he switched between both with an indicator of wins and losses.
i tried it and it was profitable.
will try new parameters you presented.
THX
Hi Gizmotron,
Thanks a lot for opening this section and sharing your experience with us. :thumbsup:
I think playing your way by observing the game and then reacting to what's happening in the game is also a question of developing a "certain mental attitude". I don't know how to better call it.
Playing a fixed system seems to offer a comfort zone to our minds that in the end very often turns into a danger zone. It's kind of like "the system will know what to do" when things at the table get tough. The system will decide what to bet. And if it loses, it's just another bad system. I, as the player, am not responsible for the loses. This is much easier for our brain to accept than saying "Hey, I take responsibility for my decisions. If they fail it's little ol' me who has done something wrong."
Of course it's also much easier to sit back and let the system do the work than to do the work at the table ourselves.
Please guys, don't get me wrong. It's really not my intention to attack people who use system in any kind of way. These are just some general thoughts of mine. And I freely admit that I also behave as described.
I also admit that the above assumptions might be totally wrong. :)
hanshuckebein, I really like your take on responsibility for the outcome. In all these years I've never heard anyone put that fine of a point on the concept of using the conditions. The player stands or falls on the merits of their ability to read the conditions and to take actions that are strategically an advantage to them. It makes playing Roulette a proactive and pragmatic approach to tackling a trial & error game, a mystery, a kind of who done it. So few actually get this far and attempt to discover its mystery.
I think you are on to something here. The idea that the system will carry you through any difficulties or the system is a failure. Hence the endless search for a working system. My guess is that people try randomness for a while, discover that it too has losses, and then toss it as another bad system. Here is the most important points of that too. Why would a math oriented person try to out think Albert Einstein? They must have a propensity to find a working system. A kind of failing as a human being. But what if they learned to easily dismiss systems that have weak points to them. They could easily jump to the conclusion that using past spins is just as problematic as other systems.
It's possible to miss the fact that a loss is useful information and not a failing of some sort. Being a great player is more about self control than it is about avoiding responsibility.
Hi Gizmo! I regard you and your section. I think it is possible to beat this game and for that we need to "think outside of the box". But i have to speak something considering you have said in your first post. I honestly, dont see holy grail in that. At least not how you explained. Precisely, you havent explained enough. That is all too much generaly spoken. Can you give any test or example? Dont get me wrong, but any of us here can explain holy grail on that way... I understand what you are saying, that is maybe hard to explain, and same thing for every inividualy is maybe different... But can you give a try?
Regards
Drazen
I believe we've got a problem if people aren't told the sad truth.
Learning to read randomness needs to go through steps.
It cannot be done starting the building from the ceiling.
For a start it requieres a thorough knowledge how to relate wheel and lay out to each other.
If you dominate only one of these issues you are working with half the information to produce the best strategies which decide your bet selection.
Said that understanding randomness behavior needs putting an order to both wheel and layout by arranging number caracteristics (pocket labels or markers on the wheel and layout table) in such a way it will make sense to conect them to record and track events for our betting purposes.
First the player has to master ball movement.
Ball movement is bound to produce random outcomes which involves physic concepts.
If you wont play VB because nowadays is not an easy task, casinos are taking counter measures changing ball materials, weight, shape, increasing its speed, etc.
So, not much more left than exploiting trends, patterns watched while tracking ball movement.
Dealer signature translated to a comprehensive language using for that purpose proper translator devices/tools/matrices operating with numeric alphabet.
It could be like chasing an EC for example.
Try predicting half the wheel where the ball will drop.
I do not want to be pesismistic but there is a lot to go ahead.
I believe there aren't long term winning fixed or mechanical systems but adaptative strategies based on metodologies that let you chase the game dinamics and betting accordingly.
No prediction needed as understood as a guess or better said "lucky guess" but a scientific guess since work based on statistics is displayed to disclose short term "more probable" outcomes due to past spins.
We must seek chance patterns trend to continue or repeat, when and how.
All these cant be taught in one post or day. I've been behind it for three years now and still learning.
Not to say everyday practice is a must to become a pro like in whatever other profession.
Most lossers are lazy or lack right conduct to change their fate. Together, both bad habits do better for same result.
There is no short path to overcome "blessed" hard working awaiting us to do better in this game.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: carpanta on Jun 14, 07:31 AM 2011
I believe we've got a problem if people aren't told the sad truth.
Learning to read randomness needs to go through steps.
It cannot be done starting the building from the ceiling.
For a start it requieres a thorough knowledge how to relate wheel and lay out to each other.
If you dominate only one of these issues you are working with half the information to produce the best strategies which decide your bet selection.
Said that understanding randomness behavior needs putting an order to both wheel and layout by arranging number characteristics ...
First the player has to master ball movement.
Ball movement is bound to produce random outcomes which involves physic concepts.
So, not much more left than exploiting trends, patterns watched while tracking ball movement.
Dealer signature translated to a comprehensive language using for that purpose proper translator devices/tools/matrices operating with numeric alphabet.
one can use any system of observation for this- kimo li system for example
No prediction needed as understood as a guess or better said "lucky guess" but a scientific guess since work based on statistics is displayed to disclose short term "more probable" outcomes due to past spins.
We must seek chance patterns trend to continue or repeat, when and how.
the opportunity to place a bet based on "scientific guess" can be supported by observing windows of statistical Ecart.
Bets must try to capture the following correction periods following indications and tendencies.
One can also try to take advantage of the "almost constant imbalance" of the present distribution.
Everything comes down to developing triggers and a specific dynamic march to try to capture these events.
**Money management, staking and compounding plans are, in my opinion, the tail of the whole process of playing.
and you are more than write. -No pain no gain! Success is paid in sweat.
Nice to have you here, Carlos.
Cheers,
Al
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 14, 03:02 AM 2011
Hi Gizmo! I regard you and your section. I think it is possible to beat this game and for that we need to "think outside of the box". But I have to speak something considering you have said in your first post. I honestly, don't see holy grail in that. At least not how you explained. Precisely, you haven't explained enough. That is all too much generaly spoken. Can you give any test or example? don't get me wrong, but any of us here can explain holy grail on that way... I understand what you are saying, that is maybe hard to explain, and same thing for every inividualy is maybe different... But can you give a try?
It's not my section. I'm just going to try to keep the arguing down to a civil level. As Moderator I will do something about personal attacks and deliberate thread hijacking.
I understand that you don't see the HG in my starting post. In my definition of reading randomness I attempt to make a distinction that it is an ability. Reading text is an ability. I created practice software that helps you to learn this. I know. It's the same software that I used to teach students last year with. Here is an example of it's charting arrangement:
| L M H | 1 2 3 | | B _R | L H | O E | -- ## -- Line
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 31 -- 1
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 32 -- 2
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 15 -- 3
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 22 -- 4
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 20 -- 5
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 32 -- 6
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 6 -- 7
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 8 -- 8
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 2 -- 9
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 18 -- 10
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 7 -- 11
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 26 -- 12
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 16 -- 13
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 14 -- 14
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 22 -- 15
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 32 -- 16
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 24 -- 17
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 28 -- 18
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 36 -- 19
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 21 -- 20Your question's answer begins with one thing. Can you see the series of singles or the absence of them as a trend? If you can't do that then of course you can't see any HG.
Quote from: carpanta on Jun 14, 07:31 AM 2011
I believe we've got a problem if people aren't told the sad truth.
Learning to read randomness needs to go through steps.
It cannot be done starting the building from the ceiling.
It can if I chose to start it "from the ceiling." It's my introductory thread. It's not my fault if I got the big secret out of the way in the first thread and people don't get it. They don't get it because they aren't ready to accept it. Most people don't even know that they will reject things they consider now as worthwhile. I didn't want anyone to think this was just another long drawn out thread that ended up not telling a secret. I know you will not accept this but your prerequisite knowledge of physics has nothing to do with randomness or reading randomness. If you think it does than please start a thread where you show, instruct, and relate how watching the wheel, the ball, and your combination of wheel & layout applies to randomness. At this point all I see is another AP interruption. If you want to instruct people about AP randomness then please do so. Just please try to keep it on topic. It belongs in its own thread.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 14, 11:22 AM 2011
It's not my section. I'm just going to try to keep the arguing down to a civil level. As Moderator I will do something about personal attacks and deliberate thread hijacking.
I understand that you don't see the method in my starting post. In my definition of reading randomness I attempt to make a distinction that it is an ability. Reading text is an ability. I created practice software that helps you to learn this. I know. It's the same software that I used to teach students last year with. Here is an example of it's charting arrangement:
| L M H | 1 2 3 | | B _R | L H | O E | -- ## -- Line
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 31 -- 1
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 32 -- 2
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 15 -- 3
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 22 -- 4
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 20 -- 5
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 32 -- 6
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 6 -- 7
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 8 -- 8
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 2 -- 9
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 18 -- 10
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 7 -- 11
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 26 -- 12
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 16 -- 13
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 14 -- 14
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 22 -- 15
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 32 -- 16
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 24 -- 17
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 28 -- 18
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 36 -- 19
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 21 -- 20
Your question's answer begins with one thing. Can you see the series of singles or the absence of them as a trend? If you can't do that then of course you can't see any method.
Yes i can (at least i think :) ) looks interesting. what is next?
Regards
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 14, 11:51 AM 2011
Yes I can (at least I think :) ) looks interesting. what is next?
You might want to learn how to use this free software. It does not come with instructions. But most people try out software before the instructions anyway. I instructed using chat. I walked each student through this one at a time.
link:://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/rminstaller.exe (link:://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/rminstaller.exe)
This software allows for sequence sharing. It has a copy text / paste text glitch. It won't paste text copied from this forum. You have to paste it into notepad and then recopy it to your clipboard. It then works. Notepad strips out the rich text. Normally I write a fix for this. But I expected only ten students and maybe 20 or 30 copy/paste transfers. It was good enough back then. It still saves having to enter hundreds of spins one at a time.
I can post sequences here and teach reading randomness. BTW, what do you think you can see? It's good practice to describe what you think you can see. Each line is numbered. So you can say spin 3 to 14 in the LMH section" and things like that for referring to parts of the chart.
I was just PM'd asking if this involved purchasing anything. It does not. I learned from John Patrick that you can tell people how to win but most people will not be able to learn how. Once they give up they will attack the messenger. They will become self appointed "white knights" attempting to act as protectors. But a few of you will be able to do it. The very best thing you can do for yourself is to keep it to yourself. If you don't know why then you need to get a clue. The price is your own common sense.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 14, 11:43 AM 2011
It can if I chose to start it "from the ceiling." It's my introductory thread. It's not my fault if I got the big secret out of the way in the first thread and people don't get it. They don't get it because they aren't ready to accept it. Most people don't even know that they will reject things they consider now as worthwhile. I didn't want anyone to think this was just another long drawn out thread that ended up not telling a secret. I know you will not accept this but your prerequisite knowledge of physics has nothing to do with randomness or reading randomness. If you think it does than please start a thread where you show, instruct, and relate how watching the wheel, the ball, and your combination of wheel & layout applies to randomness. At this point all I see is another Advantage-play interruption. If you want to instruct people about Advantage-play randomness then please do so. Just please try to keep it on topic. It belongs in its own thread.
Understood. You are right. My fault to interrupt your post with chit chat out of place. It wont occur in future. I'll keep away.
Please, ereased my post since it has nothing to do with your topic.
Have my sincere excuses.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: carpanta on Jun 14, 01:27 PM 2011
Understood. You are right. My fault to interrupt your post with chit chat out of place. It won't occur in future. I'll keep away.
Please, ereased my post since it has nothing to do with your topic.
Have my sincere excuses.
It's not off topic. It's more a surprise. Nobody has ever suggested that AP has anything to do with randomness. AP is about detection, estimation, and a degree of accuracy. It just seems a stretch to include randomness. If you think it remotely fits then please start a thread in Randomness Studies that goes along with what you are suggesting. Who knows, it might be a very interesting thread.
For anyone that has my charting program here is the string of spins:
12,18,4,18,24,26,1,00,11,32,14,8,2,11,20,19,4,29,21,0,13,7,12,18,6,00,27,12,35,17,5,8,25,9,16,31,18,3,9,8,8,26,32,14,27,30,0,25,16,25,21,24,19,0,2,32,11,29,5,24,22,4,24,12,29,35,8,6,24,23,11,25,27,33,20,19,30,13,31,36,14,17,18,24,21,12,18,25,22,8,22,22,24,10,23,14,17,00,16,1,
Here is the same spins for those that don't. This 100 spins never loses a 5 steps progression for betting on a single column bet. It uses Follow the Last. It wins every sequence before hitting 6 singles in a row. If you look at it from a randomness point of view you want to see if you can see an absence of singles.
| 1 2 3 | Spin #
| X | -- 1
| X | -- 2
| X | -- 3
| X | -- 4
| X | -- 5
| X | -- 6
| X | -- 7
--------- -- 8
| X | -- 9
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--------- -- 20
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--------- -- 26
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--------- -- 54
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--------- -- 98
| X | -- 99
| X | -- 100
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 14, 06:51 PM 2011
For anyone that has my charting program here is the string of spins:
12,18,4,18,24,26,1,00,11,32,14,8,2,11,20,19,4,29,21,0,13,7,12,18,6,00,27,12,35,17,5,8,25,9,16,31,18,3,9,8,8,26,32,14,27,30,0,25,16,25,21,24,19,0,2,32,11,29,5,24,22,4,24,12,29,35,8,6,24,23,11,25,27,33,20,19,30,13,31,36,14,17,18,24,21,12,18,25,22,8,22,22,24,10,23,14,17,00,16,1,
Here is the same spins for those that don't. This 100 spins never loses a 5 steps progression for betting on a single column bet. It uses Follow the Last. It wins every sequence before hitting 6 singles in a row. If you look at it from a randomness point of view you want to see if you can see an absence of singles.
| 1 2 3 | Spin # Series / Chops
| X | -- 1
| X | -- 2 X
| X | -- 3 X
| X | -- 4 X
| X | -- 5 X
| X | -- 6 X
| X | -- 7 X
--------- -- 8
| X | -- 9 X
| X | -- 10 X
| X | -- 11 X
| X | -- 12 X
| X | -- 13 X
| X | -- 14 X
| X | -- 15 X
| X | -- 16 X
| X | -- 17 X
| X | -- 18 X
| X | -- 19 X
--------- -- 20
| X | -- 21 X
| X | -- 22 X
| X | -- 23 X
| X | -- 24 X
| X | -- 25 X
--------- -- 26
| X | -- 27 X
| X | -- 28 X
| X | -- 29 X
| X | -- 30 X
| X | -- 31 X
| X | -- 32 X
| X | -- 33 X
| X | -- 34 X
| X | -- 35 X
| X | -- 36 X
| X | -- 37 X
| X | -- 38 X
| X | -- 39 X
| X | -- 40 X
| X | -- 41 AND SO ON
For betting purposes it could help tracking series and chops (intermitences).
Just an idea. I not only use that matrix for dozens but for ECs as well.
Cheers,
Carlos
carpanta, very interesting. But I can see series and chops with almost immediate visual dexterity in my charts. If all I had was a chart of series & chops then I would have to think about each line to see trends.
BUT, you are the first person to make it a chart of X's. I can see the changes easy that way too. I guess I'm used to my charts. But you have done the work for the people that are not trained to see the way that I do. This is good. Nice work. You get it.
You made the point. I was thinking of people with not much dexterity to track outcomes and do a right reading out of them.
Maybe, this way they can more easily see the gap among series and chops to produce the best bet selection for short term decisions.
When a better level of dexterity is achieved it could be discarded in order to make tracking not too complex because of too many charts.
By the way, you and me are doing the same to read randomness.
Difference is I play inside bets by merging chances to produce the exact numbers to be bet on.
Outcomes rhythm in each chance let you decide which ones are best to produce such bet selection.
Soon I'll give it a try in another topic
Cheers,
Carlos.
I've been all over the choices, both inside and outside. I've come to the conclusion that the simple bets are about the same. For years I would track almost everything. I had at least 10 sets of dozen bets. I memorized the wheel and made special groupings that all acted like the dozens and columns. It all comes down to simple to see charts.
Hi Gizmotron.
If series are Hot why not bet for them to happen after chop?
This is one of my favorites.
Flat Bet for a repeating dozen after the chop of a series in the hope another series is forming.
in your example:
LLWLWWLWWWWWLLWWWWLLLWWLLW
seems a good read for me.
Other option could be simply to play against the choped serie (i do not really like 2 dozen bets) and this kind of bet works best for EC's
What is your opinion on this?
Cheers,
Al
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 15, 03:35 PM 2011
What is your opinion on this?
You can't know what of three states that it will change to. It could go to a stretch of swarmed repeats, chaos, or a stretch of singles. You need to see if you have a condition of global trending. If the conditions change quickly then you don't. But if the types of trends have a tendency to sustain stretches that remain then you do. In a way you need to become aware of the type of change too. It's not enough to see it change to one of the three states. You must notice the trend line for duration and quality too.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 15, 06:08 PM 2011
You can't know what of three states that it will change to. It could go to a stretch of swarmed repeats, chaos, or a stretch of singles. You need to see if you have a condition of global trending. If the conditions change quickly then you don't. But if the types of trends have a tendency to sustain stretches that remain then you do. In a way you need to become aware of the type of change too. It's not enough to see it change to one of the three states. You must notice the trend line for duration and quality too.
Then what is your advice for indication and tendency?
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 15, 07:02 PM 2011
Then what is your advice for indication and tendency?
These are things that are seen while charting a table. If you have my practice software you can spin out a thousand spins and then look at them. The fastest way is to learn how to format spins in a list: (22,3,36,0,12,18,23,) Notice that spaces are not allowed. Just separate each spin with a comma. Press clear, select American or European, press paste. If your list of spins are not all the way to the top then use the backspace to get it all the way to the top and to the left. Now press load spins. The program will chart all 1000 spins in a few seconds.
You need to see charts in order to learn the characteristics of tendencies. You are only looking for three things.
i will try to run your software (thanx) in my mac os.
May you elaborate on the characteristics of what we are looking for?
looking for three things...
Cheers,
Al
i made it. i can manage to run it now.
Random.org gives spins separated by commas. It is a must.
Thx Gizmotron.
AL
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 15, 06:08 PM 2011
You can't know what of three states that it will change to. It could go to a stretch of swarmed repeats, chaos, or a stretch of singles. You need to see if you have a condition of global trending. If the conditions change quickly then you don't. But if the types of trends have a tendency to sustain stretches that remain then you do. In a way you need to become aware of the type of change too. It's not enough to see it change to one of the three states. You must notice the trend line for duration and quality too.
How exactly you did observe the trend was "sustaining stretches" prior to deciding on a 5 or 6 step progression with a follow the last selection?
How one can "Read Randomness" in order to clearly identify a "condition of global trending"?
Are there any Benchmarks. Is it a mix of relative intuition?
Don't get me wrong, I am a musician and I experience everyday the impact of our human choices in terms of aesthetics. I know they make all the difference.
Any specific recomendations on how to "notice the trend line for duration and qualty" ?
I understand that you may choose not to share this in open forum, and if so I respect that. Hope not.
I would like to thank Gizmotron and Carpanta for keeping this thread and this discussion alive.
:-[
the beauty of distributions is that we may pick any window and observe a certain Ecart.
Its obvious that in European Roulette we have 37 possible outcomes so in order to have a more liable window one must observe a minimum and a maximum of events that correlate directly with the stage of ecart we intend to capture.
??
appart from that, after any imbalance is verified, one could expect:
1) that imbalance stops and starts hovering without a drawdown
(and can also grow even stronger which is rare because after hovering the STD decreases...)
2) that imbalance suffers a rapid drawdown towards correction.
3) the imbalance continues to grow stronger and stronger...
(it may to a certain point. ::) Considering our starting point a 3.5 STD it can only grow until 6.0...)
there is also a mathematical thread bayes did on Standard Deviation and Z-score.
Not that I advocate an exclusive mathematical approach but it sure provides us with instruments to measure things that largely escape our common sense approach.
As for now this constitutes the only tools i know about.
Cheers,
AL
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Cheers.
Albertojonas, a good instrument to measure how your bet selection is doing has to do with your bankroll.
If you see it increasing you are doing very well.
On the other hand, when it tends to decrease you must stop and see what's happening for that bad results.
It is as easy as that. To bet on singles you have, as Gizmotron stated, a 5 steps progression (1, 2, 3, 4, and 5) if LD (last decision) is falling inside that progression you win some chips or have a draw (last step).
When you have a loss (15 units) then on spin 7 you start trying to recover with 7&7 expecting LD wont repeat or repeats less than half of double bets.
If doubles trend is not strong enough, L and W alternates or they leave you with draw results, you stop and wait for better situation.
So we are left with a trial and error strategy. Always speculating and struggling with randomness.
In Gizmotron's former example he showed how playing singles all the time let him go through a 100 spin session without having to use 7&7 to recover losses.
All the time the progression achieved a hit.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 16, 11:15 AM 2011
Don't get me wrong, I am a musician and I experience everyday the impact of our human choices in terms of aesthetics. I know they make all the difference.
Any specific recomendations on how to "notice the trend line for duration and qualty" ?
Do you know this one? "How do you get to Carnegie Hall?" answer: "Practice, practice, practice."
In that case we are playing the progression. Is it only a matter of choosing a bet on what is apparently trending?
I have recently posted some misunderstood threads under Full systems.
They go by the name of pseudo systems and they intend to pin point the utter importance of observing the distribution regarding our bet selection. More,
independently of the bet selection it is of extreme importance to observe its LW registry, as it has its own behavior related to the bet type we are practicing at the moment.
Anyhow, I believe that are Bet types (or selections or designs) that produce more stable results than others.
And this are the ones that have their fundaments based upon observation of the randomness of events. We got to the same conclusion here, I assume.
:-[
What I was asking for is for objective and functional guidelines regarding this concern.
Just trying to avoid vague advice and observation. We all know if we want fame "we have to pay it in sweat!".
;)
Cheers,
AL
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 16, 11:10 AM 2011
I made it. I can manage to run it now.
Random.org gives spins separated by commas. It is a must.
thanks Gizmotron.
AL
where did I get this.? no it does not. Any Advice?
>:(
Quote from: carpanta on Jun 16, 12:04 PM 2011
In Gizmotron's former example he showed how playing singles all the time let him go through a 100 spin session without having to use 7&7 to recover losses.
All the time the progression achieved a hit.
Just want to make one thing very clear. Singles are when there are few repeats. Like this:
| X | -- 1
| X | -- 2
| X | -- 3
| X | -- 4
| X | -- 5
| X | -- 6
| X | -- 7
| X | -- 8
| X | -- 9
| X | -- 10When it doesn't look like that then that is the best time to use the Follow the Last progression.
More like this:
| X | -- 1
| X | -- 2
| X | -- 3
| X | -- 4
| X | -- 5
| X | -- 6
| X | -- 7
| X | -- 8
| X | -- 9
| X | -- 10
| X | -- 11
| X | -- 12
| X | -- 13
| X | -- 14
| X | -- 15
| X | -- 16
| X | -- 17
| X | -- 18
| X | -- 19
| X | -- 20
| X | -- 21
| X | -- 22
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 16, 12:53 PM 2011
where did I get this.? no it does not. Any Advice?
1.) Are you trying to run this Windows app on your Mac OS?
2.) Does it run in Windows mode on your Mac OS?
3.) If it does, are you having trouble pasting the spins into my software?
If you answer these questions I suppose I could go back and make a fix to the software. I need an answer to all three questions, please.
that is understood!
by the example you only consider repeat a series of three or more in a row.
Lets take as an example a sample were singles are overrepresented.
i bet in this event a lot. For me this means "Singles Vs Larger Series"
and to be objective,
after i meet my condition for betting which is a measurable imbalance and not a "raw read"
(don't take this as a negative criticism)
i continue to observe the distribution to unfold looking for an indication that it is changing state
(as described a few posts before)
i place a bet as soon as i find a series of four hoping that it will become a series of five.
if i loose this bet i wait for a series of three and proceed.
this is just an example of my usual procedure!
What's yours?
Do you use any way of observing that imbalance?
Cheers,
Al
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Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 16, 01:02 PM 2011
1.) Are you trying to run this Windows app on your Mac OS?
2.) Does it run in Windows mode on your Mac OS?
3.) If it does, are you having trouble pasting the spins into my software?
If you answer these questions I suppose I could go back and make a fix to the software. I need an answer to all three questions, please.
Dear Gizmotron
thank you for your solicitude
1&2) I run the program under emulation in Mac Os Snow Leopard
3) The program works great so far. The problem is to get spin data separated by commas.
Which I thought Random.org delivered but in fact it does not.
So I enter them manually.
Cheers,
AL
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 16, 01:12 PM 2011
(don't take this as a negative criticism)
I'm not. I think I'm having difficulty communicating what I mean. I've seen this before with my individual chats with students.
Here are some things to clear up. I look for pure stretches of no repeats(singles). This situation kills the progression, so I flat bet the opposite of follow the last. The same goes for a sleeping dozen. I flat bet the other two until it ends. I do this because I'm covering more of the board for each bet. Also sleepers and singles are common stretches.
When I bet the progression I'm looking far any repeats that come. So the chart can be full of just one repeats, (in series - that's doubles). You only need one repeat to win the progression on the one dozen at a time bets.
Thanks Gizmotron.
I believe it should be understood by now.
That's why i suggested that chart with 2 columns, one for repeats (series) and the other for chops (singles), so people without your dexterity for tracking these opposite events could understand better what you want to teach.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 16, 01:15 PM 2011
3) The program works great so far. The problem is to get spin data separated by commas.
Which I thought Random.org delivered but in fact it does not.
So I enter them manually.
Still that's faster than entering them one at a time and then hitting spin.
You can use a simple text editor to replace things like line returns with commas. You can also replace empty space with nothing. A text editor can really cut down the conversion time. And, it won't add rich text formats to it when you copy it to the clipboard. Notepad is good enough for these conversions.
Here is another feature: You can select lines to copy and different segments of the chart too.
Do this once you have a chart going:
Enter 22 <FromTo> 41 and press the Copy Lines button. That will strip out lines 22 to 41 of the full chart, if there are at least 41 lines to copy from.
Now try this: add LMH, to the text entry box just to the right. This will copy lines 22 to 41 of the L M H section only. You must include the comma.
LMH,
123,
BR,
LH,
OE,
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 16, 01:40 PM 2011
Still that's faster than entering them one at a time and then hitting spin.
You can use a simple text editor to replace things like line returns with commas. You can also replace empty space with nothing. A text editor can really cut down the conversion time. And, it won't add rich text formats to it when you copy it to the clipboard. Notepad is good enough for these conversions.
Here is another feature: You can select lines to copy and different segments of the chart too.
Do this once you have a chart going:
Enter 22 <FromTo> 41 and press the Copy Lines button. That will strip out lines 22 to 41 of the full chart, if there are at least 41 lines to copy from.
Now try this: add LMH, to the text entry box just to the right. This will copy lines 22 to 41 of the L M H section only. You must include the comma.
LMH,
123,
BR,
LH,
OE,
thanks again Gizmotron.
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 16, 01:12 PM 2011
i place a bet as soon as I find a series of four hoping that it will become a series of five.
if I lose this bet I wait for a series of three and proceed.
this is just an example of my usual procedure!
What's yours?
Do you use any way of observing that imbalance?
I look for the global trend. If it's bouncing in and out of both types of conditions then it's much too choppy. There are far more stable conditions if you just wait for them.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jun 16, 01:45 PM 2011
I look for the global trend. If it's bouncing in and out of both types of conditions then it's much too choppy. There are far more stable conditions if you just wait for them.
any number of events? What indicates the "global" character of the trending?
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 16, 01:55 PM 2011
any number of events? What indicates the "global" character of the trending?
Reply #20 on: June 15th at 04:08:54 pm; This Thread.
Hi Gizmotron, always enjoyed reading your threads/posts, I agree random comes out in segments of singles, short series, medium sries etc, you can clearly see it on any marquee that aligns results according to colour, left red right black, but the burning question I have for you is over how many spins do you make your decision as to which way it currently is? your guides above have 20 spins, is that what you use, 20? or does the 20 give you a better overall picture and you measure it on less, visualy.
The reason I ask is, I have, about a year ago, setup the bot to count lenghts of any ec, doz, col coming out, for even chances the average visual series effect was around 18 - 25 spins, watching the high numbers versus low numbers of red/black runs, press reveal to see a 70 spin sample, line 6 to 29 is a good example of series on the go, 30 to 50 shows opportunity for single play, Opposite to last, 53 - 67 offers the opportunity to SAL, if you expand it you can visually see whats happening
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Good thread mate
Quote from: superman on Jun 16, 02:19 PM 2011
Hi Gizmotron, always enjoyed reading your threads/posts, I agree random comes out in segments of singles, short series, medium sries etc, you can clearly see it on any marquee that aligns results according to colour, left red right black, but the burning question I have for you is over how many spins do you make your decision as to which way it currently is? your guides above have 20 spins, is that what you use, 20? or does the 20 give you a better overall picture and you measure it on less, visualy.
You can see it better in my hand written charts that I keep while I play. The Marquee does not show the columns or the dozens. I cut my teeth on 300 spin sessions. So I expect to see a good patch every 100 spins. It makes no sense to expect a favorable condition just because you recently arrived at a table. 20 spins is not enough. On the other hand, if you walk up to a sleeping dozen or a stretch of singles then by all means take a chance on them.
I'm sorry, but there is just one thing that I don't get...
Let's asume I was having a streak of series and I started playing Follow the Last. But then, the singles come up, unexpectadly... I go to 7 & 7 and loose. What you do here? You take the loss? Or how do you know when to stop playing?