Hi @all
all who know me, know that I write everything down which enables everybody to play that strategy.
I hate these people claiming HG and then offering a scam and faked results.
But now to the topic.
- We bet on a single number
- we know that a single number can sleep for 600 (1000) spins
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Scenario:
- that number we bet on sleeps for 600 (1000) spins and then hits
- after that hit that number we bet on sleeps for another 600 (1000) spins and then hits
- after that hit that number we bet on sleeps for another 600 (1000) spins and then hits
All will agree that this is an very rare very extrem scenario. we just use it for calculating our bankroll needed.
After every hit we double the chips: 1 - 2 - 4 - 8 and so on
until we made a profit of 100 units (we will stop at 90 as well)
Bankroll needed:
600 (1000) times 1 units - result -600+36 = -564 (-964)
600 (1000) * 2 Stück - Saldo -1200+72 = -1028 (-1928)
600 (1000) * 4 Stück - Saldo -2400+144 = -2056 (-3856)
so we need a BR of 2 to 4 Thousand chips.
How to start:
in a B&M Casino we buy the permanences of the day before. we bet the number which hasnÃ,´t appeared at all or slept the longest way back.
in an OC or at any RNG we just bet any number we like from first spin on.
This will never ever lose.
donÃ,´t buy that sh*i*t*t which is offered by using the phrase Holy Grail.
This is for free and works.
you just need the money to start it.
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winkel
First simple Test OC
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Hey Winkel,
You're definitely onto something here. But I would be cautious about looking for sleepers in B & M casinos, you might just have stumbled on a biased wheel. Having said that, if you allow for that worst case scenario you should be ok, just don't expect to make your profit on a daily basis. :)
I think I would prefer to play your system at a trusted OC, and Betvoyager is a good choice.
2. test on #1
Quote from: Bayes link=topic=661. msg5726#msg5726 date=1280261780
Hey Winkel,
You're definitely onto something here. But I would be cautious about looking for sleepers in B & M casinos, you might just have stumbled on a biased wheel. Having said that, if you allow for that worst case scenario you should be ok, just don't expect to make your profit on a daily basis. :)
I think I would prefer to play your system at a trusted OC, and Betvoyager is a good choice.
Hi Bayes,
with all my strategies IÃ,´not "onto" something, I can prove them all at any time.
Nowadays there are in reliable B&M-casinos no biased wheels.
Mostly every kettle is checked day by day. If there should be any difference to the normal distribution the wheel is changed or mended.
In B&M-tests I sometime had to play 3 days to get in profit. It is not a question of the strategy it is only a question of Bankroll
In OCÃ,´s with a min bet of 0. 01$ it is absolutely no risc to test. you just need about 40$
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winkel
i dont understand this what do you mean by 600 (1000)?
"After every hit we double the chips: 1 - 2 - 4 - 8 and so on"
no matter if in + or -?
Quote from: frost on Jul 27, 04:35 PM 2010
I don't understand this what do you mean by 600 (1000)?
If you donÃ,´t understand this, just donÃ,´t play.
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jul 27, 04:36 PM 2010
"After every hit we double the chips: 1 - 2 - 4 - 8 and so on"
no matter if in + or -?
otherwise we donÃ,´t reach our target of +100
good luck to you
All Honour goes to my friend @Keoma who invented the Löwenherz-Strategie (Lionheart-strategy).
But this is betting every number, after it had hit.
With my tests I destroyed bankrolls of 30000 units. Maybe I was to afraid to have 600 units on table.
Thanks to @keoma for the basic idea.
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winkel
Quick test on BV, starting with a fun bank of €1000.
"Lionheart-strategy" is a good name. :D
after 3500 RNG spins, table max. limit was placed and the drawdawn was 9.258units
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jul 27, 04:57 PM 2010
After 3500 RNG spins, table max. limit was placed and the drawdawn was 9.258units
That is absolutely not true.
What was the min-bet and the max-bet
Pls. give the spins so I can chekc it.
Do you really make 3500 spins in (opening time of the Thread - time of your answer) m56 minutes. including reading and starting software and psoting results?
You are joking.
br winkel
I tested in RX
min bet 1 max bet 100
guess there wasnt anything to really understand.
We pick any #?
Thanks
Phishalot
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jul 27, 05:24 PM 2010
I tested in RX
min bet 1 max bet 100
So you definitely have the spins.
Pls give them to me.
I wanna check.
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winkel
Quote from: Phishalot on Jul 27, 05:32 PM 2010
We pick any #?
Thanks
Phishalot
Pls read again:
betting in B&M
and
betting in OCs
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winkel
Quote from: frost on Jul 27, 05:27 PM 2010
Guess there wasn't anything to really understand.
I donÃ,´t know your problem.
I said: "We know a number can sleep for 600 spins."
I extended it to 1000 spins and compared both scenarios.
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winkel
See that was not so hard to type was it.
I asked a question because I did not understand how you wrote your explanation.
Instead you elaborate with 3 to 5 words you decided that rudeness was the better option.
I worked out your system and realised it wouldnââ,¬â,,¢t work but its better you to find out yourself.
Iââ,¬â,,¢m not here to fight over computer screens but in future a little courtesy and patients will help avoid situations so common within this forum.
Thank you
Quote from: frost on Jul 27, 05:48 PM 2010
I worked out your system and realised it wouldnââ,¬â,,¢t work but its better you to find out yourself.
You and another one found in less than 1 hour trots which killed the extremest possible scenario.
You are joking!
go and read strategies on ECÃ,´s or col/doz.
I donââ,¬â,,¢t understand why people look down on EC like its a bet on the table that wont win you money.
I didnââ,¬â,,¢t test your system but it lost in 3500 rng spins.
I can safely say that a EC system I developed myself would last well over 100,000 rng spins.
Easily.
Do not ask.
Yes it has progression. Yes it has triggers. But betting 10c and making over $300+ profit you can do the maths.
Like I said fighting over computer screens isnââ,¬â,,¢t what I do. Iââ,¬â,,¢m only taking offence and responding in kind.
Thank you.
Quote from: frost on Jul 27, 06:03 PM 2010
I didnââ,¬â,,¢t test your system but it lost in 3500 rng spins.
Believe me: It didnÃ,´t lose. It is fake respond just to pull this down in favour of scammers and sellers.
I myself have an EC-System which wins.
but on EC there is no return of Invest in an reasonable way.
and progression needs more money than a loss in this strategy.
So I have no problem with that. But betting full numbers and winning is the level to beat.
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winkel
@Winkel
Dear friend, as the topic moderator YOU choose who stays and who leave in YOUR thread.
There is a (link:://rouletteforum.cc/Themes/anone/images/buttons/delete.gif) Remove button on the rightmost part of every message when you are the topic's starter/moderator.
Kindly use it and stop disruptors. It is now within your ability to keep your threads productive and on-track.
Feel free to remove this post after you read it and may you enforce proper moderation in your topics. Remember our forum is self-moderated, so you have the power now!
Regards.
Hi Victor,
I know about this.
But I also like to give all that naysayers and nontesters a kick in their a$$.
Not offering own ideas, or doing a "big guessing of nothing " is not my way. and everybody of these people who enter my ideas and try to bring them down will be f**ked.
I am such a long time in forums and I know them all. I am not afraid of those. they might call me rude, but it is what they deserve.
I for myself donÃ,´t comment any idea which donÃ,´t like.
And if I do I give facts to proof my statement.
I wouldnÃ,´t say: I tested 3500 spins and it failed and refuse to give the spins for counter-check.
theya are all discovering themselves. all these stupid people.
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winkel
Dear Winkel, your choice to keep those comments!
I still will consider actions on offensive posts that find their way to the community council section due to members' reports (it is my duty as admin!) :)
Regards and hope your thread can be a productive one.
Victor
My only worry about this is, whenever you get a hit and your balance hovers around even, then you raise your stakes. You could bet betting 16 units hoping for a hit, then it sleeps for 200 spins. You are out a lot of dough.
Maybe I got it wrong??
KEEL
Just to follow up on my post:
Suppose your number sleeps for 40 spins then hits
sleeps for 40 spins then hits
sleeps for 40 spins then hits
sleeps for 40 spins then hits
sleeps for 200 spins......
Have you seen something like this, Winkel?
Quote from: keel44 on Jul 27, 10:28 PM 2010
Just to follow up on my post:
Suppose your number sleeps for 40 spins then hits
sleeps for 40 spins then hits
sleeps for 40 spins then hits
sleeps for 40 spins then hits
sleeps for 200 spins......
Have you seen something like this, Winkel?
You can construct any possible scenario. but donÃ,´t forget to check itÃ,´s probability.
Everybody who donÃ,´t have that bankrol and is afraid of losing: DonÃ,´t play this!
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winkel
I tested the strategy against over 200,000 spins from Betvoyager (no zero). Although results were positive, you'd need considerably more than 4000 units to see you through the tough sequences.
Also, note that at times required stakes exceeded the house limits (1₵ to €10), so at those times 512 was flat bet until a new high balance was achieved.
The bet selection was for an immediate repeat of the previous number. Maybe using the "longest sleeper" wouldn't give such scary drawdowns, although the maths says it makes no difference.
I've attached the results file for those interested.
Actually, using that particular bet selection, a profit of 6000 units was made flat betting. :D
And using a mild progression of 1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,3,3:
Did anyone notice that I gave a bankroll of 2000 to 4000 chips?
what will it mean, if I lost that BR?
perhaps stop playing?
And if I have a target of +100 then what will the Stop-Loss be?
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winkel
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 28, 04:45 AM 2010Actually, using that particular bet selection, ...
Isn't the bet selection just "
any number we like"? Basically, the key part is long and cheap progression, not the bet selection, is that right?
Quote from: Mistarlupo on Jul 28, 05:12 AM 2010
Isn't the bet selection just "any number we like"? Basically, the key part is long and cheap progression, not the bet selection, is that right?
You can take it that way, but the main idea is:
even if a number sleeps very long it has to appear 1/37th in the long run.
e.g.
in 3700 spins a number has to apear 100 times
if it slept for 600 spins it has to appear in 3100 spins 99 times
that means every 31th spin!
We just donÃ,´t know how long the long run is.
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winkel
@winkel
I posted my results... why don't you believe them? I am not arguing with you that it doesn't work.. But I am not going to play it... Is that a problem for you?
Quote from: winkel on Jul 28, 04:58 AM 2010
what will it mean, if I lost that BR?
perhaps stop playing?
And if I have a target of +100 then what will the Stop-Loss be?
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winkel
Winkel, "stop playing" means reset your stake to unit, yes? If it means something else in addition to this, what is it?
I don't know, the same? (your bankroll)
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jul 28, 06:03 AM 2010
@winkel
I posted my results... why don't you believe them? I am not arguing with you that it doesn't work.. But I am not going to play it... Is that a problem for you?
But why is it then a problem to give me the spins?
Quote from: Bayes on Jul 28, 06:49 AM 2010
Winkel, "stop playing" means reset your stake to unit, yes? If it means something else in addition to this, what is it?
I don't know, the same? (your bankroll)
Hi Bayes,
it is different playing 10000 spins in a row or to bet just to a target restart later.
I would stop at half of my daily bankroll and stop after 100+ and select a new sleeping number.
We know: Betting a single # over and over and continously will end up -2,7 or less
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winkel
Ok, I will re-code the simulation using your guidelines (later though).
So your preference would be to not use an RNG (pick ANY number) but use the longest sleeper from a B & M casino. I don't have enough actuals to test this, but I can use an RNG and start the betting after ONE show of a number which has been sleeping for, say, > 200 spins.
Quote from: winkel on Jul 28, 07:01 AM 2010
But why is it then a problem to give me the spins?
It was a RNG test and because of poor performance I didn't saved the session
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jul 28, 09:14 AM 2010
It was a RNG test and because of poor performance I didn't saved the session
so it would be no problem to test again and then to give me the spins.
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winkel
And what do you want to prove to me?
HI all.
Winkel I know that you are a great player and i have tested one of your system. It beat 707 000 live spins but with small effect. I like your idea of this system. It sounds interesting and it has logical reason why it should work. Maybe little modified and it will work very good. But i have few questions : 1. I tried this system but sometimes it takes much spins to get in new profit. In land based casino 500 spins takes about 8 hours. I dont think that you are playing for so long. How are you doing that if you want to end with roulette for this day and you are in minus with your capital? And one more question : I think this method can be modified to dozens or EC`s. There will be maybe less spins to get in profit and less capital.
That`s all and thanks for your reply.
btw. sorry for my english
regards bene
Hey Winkel,
Appreciate you sharing this system with us. Had a few questions while I was testing some sessions:
1. The progression we are using is a martingale, do you have a stop-loss at which stage you would no longer play...i.e. 1,2,4,8 ... if you are still not at your profit level of +100 by the time you are betting 4 units, would you continue to the 8 units following a hit of your number?
2. If you are close to even and you are at say the 4 unit level in the progression, would you drop down to a lower level, or would you go onto 8 units following a hit?
3. Are you sure that 4000 units is enough to cover the drawdowns at times?
I did some quick tests and in a half a month of actuals from DB, it generated +6000 units...however, at times there were some fairly big drawdowns of 1000 units or more and the +6000 was based on testing of not reducing the betting unit even if getting close to even...at times it went to 16 and 32 I believe. Oh yeah, the bet selection I did was simply had the program generate a random number for each session, not the furthest sleeper.
Look forward to hearing from you. Thanks!
@all
every strategy is like a tool. It doesnÃ,´t work on its own, you have to handle it an you have to learn how to handle it the best way.
playing OCÃ,´s
If I see that a number is not reacting like I wish (e.g. it is appearing every 40th spin) IÃ,´d better stop with a small loss.
If I have a bankroll of 1000 chips and IÃ,´m at stage 16 and the winnings plus bankroll are now down to 500 I should stop and not bet the last penny. Better use the trot to find a new long-sleeper.
Never restart betting the same number!
Yes it is a Martingale, but as a progression in the win, not in the loss.
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winkel
Quote from: winkel on Jul 30, 04:21 AM 2010
playing OCÃ,´s
If I see that a number is not reacting like I wish (e.g. it is appearing every 40th spin) IÃ,´d better stop with a small loss.
If I have a bankroll of 1000 chips and IÃ,´m at stage 16 and the winnings plus bankroll are now down to 500 I should stop and not bet the last penny. Better use the trot to find a new long-sleeper.
so there is some guesswork afterall
Bayes. . have you coded it?
Thnaks Flatino but i think bayes said that he will recode strategy because he tested it only on 1 number. And Winkel said that he must change numbers and i think so too. So bayes will recode this system i hope.
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jul 30, 05:54 AM 2010
so there is some guesswork afterall
Is ist Geuesswork or Intelligence to see that the horse you are riding is dead.
Quote from: winkel on Jul 31, 03:10 PM 2010
Is ist Geuesswork or Intelligence to see that the horse you are riding is dead.
then you should put up diferent name of the topic next time... specialy the word "holy grail" seems to be attracted to you
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jul 31, 03:20 PM 2010
then you should put up diferent name of the topic next time... specialy the word "holy grail" seems to be attracted to you
There's nothing wrong with "reaching for the stars", long as we all remember that... until something is down on paper, and thereafter independently verified by every one of us who tries it (at the casinos).
However, i do agree with the substance of the above reply... that slow and lengthy betting progressions alone will always become disastrous, and even more so after spending a year or more of regular play losing back also its possible (short-term) winnings. The casinos employ optimized limit-spreads, based on many factors... including the average player's BR, duration-of-play, and bet-size. At the extremes, those limits begin to fail with either of the "whales" or pikers, the latters becoming a problem by "standing to win a lot while losing a little".
Quote from: bene126 on Jul 31, 01:24 PM 2010
Bayes. . have you coded it?
Rather than use RNG again I would prefer to code it sticking to winkel's "B & M" rule:
Quotein a B&M Casino we buy the permanences of the day before. we bet the number which hasnÃ,´t appeared at all or slept the longest way back.
The problem is, I don't have enough actuals to test this, and I don't have the time to download spins from Wiesbaden. If anyone can provide the spins and vouch for their integrity, I will be happy to do the coding. I think there's a bot available quite cheap which will collect spins from the Dublinbet wheels, and that would be ideal. I Can't remember the name of the company which sells the bot, but they used to advertise on VLSroulette.
spins from Dortmund March 2008
part 2
Part 3
the name is "Berlin" but spins are from Dortmund
Missing days Easter-Holidays
Quote from: Boo_Ray on Jul 31, 03:20 PM 2010
then you should put up diferent name of the topic next time... specialy the word "holy grail" seems to be attracted to you
A plain doesnÃ,´t exist because not everybody can fly it.
A new quality of the naysayers.
As I wrote: you even have to learn to handle a tool to use it perfectly.
all other claims of being simple and stupid to be a HG is against all stochastics and probability.
Why do you refuse to accept?
Thanks for the files winkel. :thumbsup:
Coding this may take a while, I have other things in my "in tray", but I will do it.
I've merged winkel's files (linked to above) into a single file (a single column with one spin per line).
There are about 11,300 spins in total but note that in the above files there is a "gap" after day 20, so I have marked that point in the file with a "***" (at spin 8,368) for anyone who wants to keep the spins continuous. So all the spins BEFORE the "***" are in sequential order and continuous, and those AFTER the *** are too, but NOT the spins taken as a whole.
Hi Bayes,
as I mentionend: Casino was closed on Easter. There is no Gap in the spins!
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winkel
Ok winkel, I'll upload the spins again (I missed out day 22).
Ok, please ignore the above link, THIS is the file you need (11,756 continuous spins in sequential order from the same table).
Just a note of caution: Sometimes the optical readers don't work, or the reading could be taken and then the ball may bounce into a neighbouring pocket. I've seen it before - the numbers on the marquee don't always correspond to what actually happened. The only way to be 100% sure is to see with your own eyes.
How is going coding Bayes?
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 05, 07:41 AM 2010
Ok, please ignore the above link, THIS is the file you need (11,756 continuous spins in sequential order from the same table).
Just a note of caution: Sometimes the optical readers don't work, or the reading could be taken and then the ball may bounce into a neighbouring pocket. I've seen it before - the numbers on the marquee don't always correspond to what actually happened. The only way to be 100% sure is to see with your own eyes.
Hi. You dont need more than 3000 spins to measure consistency mate;)
Cheers
Quote from: Compa on Aug 15, 07:18 AM 2010
Hi. You don't need more than 3000 spins to measure consistency mate;)
Cheers
I disagree, but what does this have to do with the optical readers?
Quote from: bene126 on Aug 13, 04:23 PM 2010
How is going coding Bayes?
Ah, thanks for reminding me. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 15, 01:31 PM 2010
I disagree, but what does this have to do with the optical readers?
Nothing.
For any doubters:
12 million spins attached = confirmation of 600/1000 sleeps
This method would lend itself very well to a bot.
Roulette Bot PRO Version 3 could be ideal as it is easily configured.
A FREE 3-day trial would confirm -- or reject -- the hypothesis.
Remember: it's just a TOOL. It will only be as good, or as bad, as the settings you choose.
(And, no. I'm not the author of the software! Just an interested observer. ;))
Any progress to report...anyone?
Bayes -- did you manage to do the coding eventually? Or did it fall through the cracks? ;)
No, sorry esoito. I have to admit it wasn't a high priority, but thanks for reminding me, I've put it on the to-do list.
Quote from: esoito on Jan 10, 11:40 PM 2011
Any progress to report...anyone?
After a year of "no progress" with anything, it's 100% "nuts" to keep at it.
I'm now 100% certain that no one will ever fairly and truly beat this game in any form by any means.
Done with it, like Lanky... nothing of use even elsewhere, except perhaps for some of mr. ore's posts.
As far as I'm aware, Lanky is still winning. I think he was "done with" forums, not playing roulette.
Quote from: Bayes on Jan 11, 10:49 AM 2011
As far as I'm aware, Lanky is still winning. I think he was "done with" forums, not playing roulette.
You are absolutely right on this Bayes.
Quote from: Bayes on Jan 11, 10:49 AM 2011
As far as I'm aware, Lanky is still winning. I think he was "done with" forums, not playing roulette.
I think that well designed strategies arenÃ,´t of any interest.
as far as I see, nobody tried a long term test of this.
I think also it is a boring game because it is winning ;D
meanwhile I detected a similiar strategy on streets, double-strees and doz.(kol)
but I presume nobody wants to know, because it is to easy to win with it.
Quotemeanwhile I detected a similiar strategy on streets, double-strees and doz.(kol)
but I presume nobody wants to know, because it is to easy to win with it.
I think there is a lot of interest ( not only from my person)-
Can you please tell us more about this approach to the streets, doublestreets and dz/col..
With best regards
kawa4711
I have just tested your system right now, and it tanks too often, even if it can produce good profits. Min. bet 1, max. bet 100, player on zero (it could have been any number...). Reset if profit >= 90. On every hit, double units, if 128, cap it to 100. There is a need of a stoploss for this method, or maybe use VLS 10:1 rule or similar stuff. First four tests are on good qualty (="nasty") RNG, the last is on Wiesbaden spins.
If you are winning, then you are just being lucky, as in the third image. Anyway, good luck to you :thumbsup:
Quoteplayer on zero (it could have been any number...).
That is not my strategy!!!!!!!!!!
If you play one number you will gain the -2,7, no chance of getting another result.
I wrote:
select the longest back or the least hit number of the day beforebr
winkel
Sorry, my fault. After winning of 90+ units, do you continue on the same number that day, or do you retrack again? How many spins do you use for tracking "best" number?
So I made a "fix": first I track 100 numbers, then I chose the lowest from those which hit least times (in such small number of samples there must be some which did not hit at all) and then I start session on them. After a winning, again a number is selected from last 100 numbers in a same way. Does not work. Maybe I should try to increase that or try longest sleeper.
Changed tracking window to 37*10=370 spins, Wiesbaden seems good.
It did not passed 100000 spins on Wiesbaden. The problem - once a bad number is selected, it is played forever, ending in a spiral of death. Could you describe your strategy how do you avoid such situation, so I can code it at least partially correctly to simulate what you usually do? Intituition cannot be coded precisely of course, but at least some rules should be added to get as near as possible to your style of play.
For me, it does not work. I tryed those modifications:
a) find all least spun numbers in x last spins and chose the longest sleeper from them, then play on it.
b) longest sleeper after a session end
After a session ends, it is alway everething retracked from last x spins including new ones. I wonder if a bet selection can help here. It SEEMS that it makes a winning line with lower peaks most of time, but it cannot avoid inevitable.
Hi mr.ore,
thank you for coding and testing.
The common problem with coded strategies is that there are results but no analysis.
100000 spins means:
- that at table Touchbet there are at average 600 spins/day so we have 166 days of "continous" play
- that at a normal table with about 350 spins/day we have 285 days of contiinous play
On the other hand:
- we have graphs which nearly go up straight for a very long time and then collaps? What is the reason for this? Nobody knows.
If I play this I check the results of the day before.
I select my number and start to play.
If I hit very early I stop if the result is acceptable (mainly upt to 10-15 spins)
If the number is still slow, that means, the difference between hits is about 100 spins I stop playing this number and leave.
If that day shows the same number low, I donÃ,´t rebet donÃ,´t play or bet another number.
If there are several numbers with the same low result (e.g. 3 numbers wiht 7 hits in 600 spins) I wait for the 1st appearance of one of those and bet on it.
If I have several days with losses I stop and wait until the strategy is back to winning.
Or I go to flat-bet just 1 unit and stop at any win.
These decisions are made during the play.
I donÃ,´t think it can be adapted to a code.
mr.ore, donÃ,´t get me wrong it is no critic to you or your work it is just a critic to results of coded play.
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winkel
So what is to be added to code:
350-600 spins window is a "day"
if any win on spin>=1 and spin<=15 then stop for that "day" and
just track numbers, but do not play
else play until profit >= 90 units and then just track numbers
if the difference between hits is >= 100 then stop playing that number, so you need at least 3 hits in that "day", or if less hits on that day stop?
always play number with lowest result, not any other, and only if it starts hitting
wait sleepers to awake
after several days of losses you "play virtual" until it is back or just flat bet
These can be partialy coded in my opinion, but it would not be such a piece of cake like just coding a progression.
"we have graphs which nearly go up straight for a very long time and then collaps? What is the reason for this? Nobody knows."
It is because after progression reaches bet limit, it actually starts flat betting with that big unit in hope to recover. After some time, there is no possibility to recover. If I add stoploss (tried it) then it often prevents from recover if it is too small, or if it is too big, then game is reset if we are in a big hole, and there is no chance to recover anyway. Sometimes trailing stoploss can help to avoid that, but it must not be "classical" trailing stoploss, but some which starts at bankroll size and gradually is increased but not by one unit by but more, the longer you play, the nearer it is you actuall bankroll until some hard defined limit, and you never allow a bet such high as to go under this value. It works only if you "survive" long enough, but a concentration of loses or kills it. Or maybe if a big hole, recover just a part of banroll, like set target to last maximum - 1/37 * sum_of_units_bet * some_constant.
QuoteIt is because after progression reaches bet limit, it actually starts flat betting with that big unit
ThatÃ,´s a thing: ShouldnÃ,´t do that. If a pogresseion is lost then stop and retrack starting next day.
QuoteOr maybe if a big hole, recover just a part of banroll, like set target to last maximum - 1/37 * sum_of_units_bet * some_constant.
I defined the bankroll at the beginning of this Thread. If bankroll is lost: game over!
A better strategy would be to extend the winning-limit to 1000 units e.g.
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winkel
what the hell
i lost interest when people said it got boring from winning to much, what aload of shit.
this system wont work, you even said your self that you destroyed your bankroll.
so you bet the last number that hit, is that it ? and double up your progression.
for starters a table max would stop you from going to high on each number.
this is a crazy method, you need to be rich.
it dosent matter what the method or the bankroll, if it dosnt win then its not going to win long term or even short term regardless of how much money you throw at it.
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 02:43 AM 2011
so you bet the last number that hit, is that it ? and double up your progression.
Where did you read this?
You didnÃ,´t read it.
i read it in this thread, might of not been you that said it.
i think you said you bet on the number that hit last, is this right ?
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 02:57 AM 2011
I read it in this thread, might of not been you that said it.
i think you said you bet on the number that hit last, is this right ?
you are completely wrong
then can you explain it simply please.
so you bet on the number that sleep the most, is this correct ?
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:04 AM 2011
So you bet on the number that sleep the most, is this correct ?
not bad for a start
i understand the progression.
so how many steps in that progression ?
are you saying 600 ?
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:07 AM 2011
I understand the progression.
so how many steps in that progression ?
are you saying 600 ?
Usually I explain the strategies at the beginning of the threads. Pls read there.
sorry mate i did, i just didnt understand it.
so you use a progression after every hit.
thats odd, what if it dosent hit till the 200 spin, win 36 but loss 200, then you are hoping the next number will hit sooner.
i can see it winning but i can see it losing, i like this idea but it would cost me to much to play it.
have you lost any time playing this as i dont believe you should stop after a win of 90 or 100.
in my eyes if it wins long term then you should be able to play as long as you want.
if you are thinking that because you play it with a stop, that you will continue longer then you will be wrong, dosent mean it wont loss.
anyway mate i like the idea
you just raise the units after a hit and flat bet that amount until next hit.
If you lost 200 units, you will win back when this number appears several times in an short distance.
i see, so you are keeping the same number then ?
nice idea, dose it work better on rng ?
have you ever loss with this method ?
Quote from: winkel on Jul 28, 05:58 AM 2010
You can take it that way, but the main idea is:
even if a number sleeps very long it has to appear 1/37th in the long run.
e.g.
in 3700 spins a number has to apear 100 times
if it slept for 600 spins it has to appear in 3100 spins 99 times
that means every 31th spin!
We just donÃ,´t know how long the long run is.
br
winkel
why dose it have to appear, it might and it might not.
Quote from: darrynf on Feb 17, 03:53 AM 2011
why dose it have to appear, it might and it might not.
due to the stastical effects
stats dont mean much in roulette, just like math, its how we play the game.
im being honest i will never play this cause im not rich and if i had that sort of mony then i wouldnt play.
but i like the concept, its refreshing sounds like something that could go far but like you said it requires thinking, like my system.
wish you all the best mate.
i was just thinking mate but would it be more successful if you follow the ball and bet the last number.
so you are trying to catch a repeat ?
and use your progression with it, would it work ?
just a thought after seeing a discussion about 37 unique numbers never hitting.
meaning you never see all 37 numbers in 37 spins.
if a system could be based on this idea then we would have a winning system.
could the same theory be held true for a number to hit twice in 37 spins ?
we could keep it going for a very long time with your progression.
i would be very interested in your theory about this, its just an idea for the mean time but i find what happens for singles tends to hold true for doubles.
the problem is simple:
if a number has hit or not means nothing to future results.
The only thing that is sure, that any selected number could sleep for 600 or more spins.
This idea is based on two facts:
- If a number slept for e.g. 200 spins it could only sleep for another 400.
- If this happens we are high above -3sigma. The average appearance had to be 600/37=16,22 times. this number can only leave this sigma by hitting short term more than 1/37 in average in the next some hundred spins.
This effect is to be catched. The progression (bankroll) is build to the very rare event of this number sleeping for another 1800 spins (or still hitting less than 1/37 in average)
This should really be very very rarely.
br
winkel
you didnt realy explain or didnt understand what i ment.
i have no dout what you saying is true but what i want to know is, and i know the last spin isnt related to the next spin.
how often can you expect the same number to hit twice in a row out of 37 spins, maybe you cant answer this, if not thats fine.
Probability that some certain selected number hits just two times in 37 spins is
p(37, 2) = 37!/(2!*(37-2)!)*(1/37)^2*(1-1/37)^(37-2) = 0.186465
It is Bernoulli scheme formula by the way, hope I have it right. So it is 18,6% probability. For us it is interesting to know what is the probability, that it will hit two or more times.
---
p(n;m) = n!/(m!*(n-m)!)*(1/37)^m*(1-1/37)^(n-m)
with exception:
p(n;0) = (1-1/37)^n is probability it will not hit at all in n spins
----
is general formula for probability that a number will hit m times in n spins
Probability of 'u' or more hits in n spins is (1 - (p(n,0)+p(n,1)+...+p(n,u-1) ).
In case of 2 hits in 37 spins it is (1 - ( p(37,0) + p(37,1) )) =
(1-((36/37)^37+37!/(1!*(37-1)!)*(1/37)^1*(1-1/37)^(37-1)) = 0.264218
So there is a probability 26,4% that a number will hit two or more times in 37 spins. I really hope the probabilities are right.
If we split our game to a windows of 37 spins sessions, than on average we shall see this once every four sessions (1/0.264218 = 3.78 ~= 4).
Mr. Ore,
I'm not sure, but I think he was wanting to know the odds of at least 1 number hitting back to back in 37 spins. Sounds like he wants to try to use Winkels progression to try to get a winning system out of betting on the last spun number in hopes that it will repeat.
Darrynf, even if we know what the odds of a number repeating in 37 spins are, it doesn't make that much difference. We have all read about and most of us have tested trying to win by betting for a number to repeat. I think it's the same as picking a single number, say 10 and betting that it will show in the next 37 spins. Most of the time it will and unless it hits toward the end of the 37 spins we will make some money. The problem comes when we miss a few times close together and we start falling into that black hole we've all experienced.
If you do come up with something that's a long term winner, you will become the new most valuable player on the forum.
Cheers,
G
i agree with you mate and i have abond the idea, as im testing something else.
my system with winkels bet.
very surprising detailes from a shit session.
QuoteBankroll needed:
600 (1000) times 1 units - result -600+36 = -564 (-964)
600 (1000) * 2 Stück - Saldo -1200+72 = -1028 (-1928)
600 (1000) * 4 Stück - Saldo -2400+144 = -2056 (-3856)
so we need a BR of 2 to 4 Thousand chips.
So if I would play in BetVoyager Casino with chips of 0.01 €, i would need 20 - 40 € of bankrole (is it sufficiently safe only 20 €?) and approximately 15 min. of play for € 1 profit? And as you say:
QuoteThis will never ever lose.
Right?
Hi marivo,
as I always say:
Test it and then decide to play or not.
@all
from today on I will test wiesbaden table TB1R daily
spins from Feb, 28th see attachement
I play #25 up to Table-limit (70 euro or 35 units)
spins prog result total
15 1 -1 -1
6 1 -1 -2
31 1 -1 -3
1 1 -1 -4
32 1 -1 -5
21 1 -1 -6
27 1 -1 -7
32 1 -1 -8
15 1 -1 -9
1 1 -1 -10
21 1 -1 -11
16 1 -1 -12
11 1 -1 -13
4 1 -1 -14
9 1 -1 -15
25 1 35 20
11 2 -2 18
9 2 -2 16
34 2 -2 14
19 2 -2 12
5 2 -2 10
5 2 -2 8
20 2 -2 6
11 2 -2 4
28 2 -2 2
17 2 -2 0
3 2 -2 -2
28 2 -2 -4
24 2 -2 -6
16 2 -2 -8
27 2 -2 -10
5 2 -2 -12
26 2 -2 -14
33 2 -2 -16
18 2 -2 -18
26 2 -2 -20
13 2 -2 -22
6 2 -2 -24
14 2 -2 -26
0 2 -2 -28
25 2 70 42
31 4 -4 38
29 4 -4 34
13 4 -4 30
27 4 -4 26
19 4 -4 22
6 4 -4 18
21 4 -4 14
35 4 -4 10
28 4 -4 6
6 4 -4 2
13 4 -4 -2
4 4 -4 -6
15 4 -4 -10
21 4 -4 -14
5 4 -4 -18
15 4 -4 -22
27 4 -4 -26
10 4 -4 -30
11 4 -4 -34
9 4 -4 -38
16 4 -4 -42
3 4 -4 -46
23 4 -4 -50
9 4 -4 -54
4 4 -4 -58
2 4 -4 -62
3 4 -4 -66
7 4 -4 -70
17 4 -4 -74
29 4 -4 -78
1 4 -4 -82
30 4 -4 -86
25 4 140 54
11 8 -8 46
5 8 -8 38
27 8 -8 30
13 8 -8 22
35 8 -8 14
3 8 -8 6
18 8 -8 -2
10 8 -8 -10
28 8 -8 -18
27 8 -8 -26
36 8 -8 -34
7 8 -8 -42
31 8 -8 -50
26 8 -8 -58
29 8 -8 -66
32 8 -8 -74
29 8 -8 -82
36 8 -8 -90
29 8 -8 -98
35 8 -8 -106
16 8 -8 -114
19 8 -8 -122
34 8 -8 -130
31 8 -8 -138
3 8 -8 -146
19 8 -8 -154
9 8 -8 -162
25 8 280 118
16 16 -16 102
17 16 -16 86
15 16 -16 70
25 16 560 630
29 32 -32 598
6 32 -32 566
14 32 -32 534
15 32 -32 502
26 32 -32 470
30 32 -32 438
22 32 -32 406
3 32 -32 374
0 32 -32 342
5 32 -32 310
5 32 -32 278
10 32 -32 246
11 32 -32 214
10 32 -32 182
26 32 -32 150
7 32 -32 118
8 32 -32 86
4 32 -32 54
12 32 -32 22
11 32 -32 -10
30 32 -32 -42
19 32 -32 -74
23 32 -32 -106
13 32 -32 -138
2 32 -32 -170
26 32 -32 -202
10 32 -32 -234
36 32 -32 -266
2 32 -32 -298
17 32 -32 -330
32 32 -32 -362
32 32 -32 -394
26 32 -32 -426
13 32 -32 -458
36 32 -32 -490
32 32 -32 -522
22 32 -32 -554
18 32 -32 -586
22 32 -32 -618
12 32 -32 -650
28 32 -32 -682
24 32 -32 -714
24 32 -32 -746
30 32 -32 -778
15 32 -32 -810
24 32 -32 -842
20 32 -32 -874
16 32 -32 -906
25 32 1120 214
max 630 units
end 214 units
first hit spin 16 +20
win limit +90 at spin 102 +118
Hi, winkel, than you for your explanation of this excellent idea
QuoteBut now to the topic.
- We bet on a single number
- we know that a single number can sleep for 600 (1000) spins
-
Scenario:
- that number we bet on sleeps for 600 (1000) spins and then hits
- after that hit that number we bet on sleeps for another 600 (1000) spins and then hits
- after that hit that number we bet on sleeps for another 600 (1000) spins and then hits
Do you think this would be work on DS ( 1-6. 7-12, 13-18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36) ?.
If this could work can you tell the please the approx. figures for this or can we divide the numbers of betting for a single number per 6 , also 1/6 of the numbers.
With best regards
kawa4711
Hi Kawa,
IÃ,´m sure it doesnÃ,´t work on DS
pls read at DC-Campus my thread "link:://:.dc-campus.net/showpost.php?p=129587&postcount=51 (link:://:.dc-campus.net/showpost.php?p=129587&postcount=51)" or here link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/win-as-much-as-you-want/msg36638/#msg36638 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/win-as-much-as-you-want/msg36638/#msg36638)
br
winkel
thank you winkel :thumbsup:
With best regards
kawa
Wiesbaden TB1R Mar,02
Yesterdays Table shows 2 numbers with the same appearance of 10: #2 and #11
#11 has hit in the last spins, so we select #2 to bet.
results:
max 1193 units
end 1193 units
first hit spin 27 +9
win limit +90 at spin 284 +1193
lowest stack: -767
spin prog result total
27 2 1 35 9
163 2 2 70 -191
219 2 4 140 -271
282 2 8 280 -487
283 2 16 560 73
284 2 32 1120 1193
If we had chosen #11
spin prog result total
1 31 1 -1 -1
2 33 1 -1 -2
3 6 1 -1 -3
4 34 1 -1 -4
5 7 1 -1 -5
6 24 1 -1 -6
7 27 1 -1 -7
8 7 1 -1 -8
9 9 1 -1 -9
10 35 1 -1 -10
11 0 1 -1 -11
12 31 1 -1 -12
13 17 1 -1 -13
14 14 1 -1 -14
15 1 1 -1 -15
16 0 1 -1 -16
17 5 1 -1 -17
18 29 1 -1 -18
19 33 1 -1 -19
20 21 1 -1 -20
21 20 1 -1 -21
22 34 1 -1 -22
23 15 1 -1 -23
24 16 1 -1 -24
25 35 1 -1 -25
26 9 1 -1 -26
27 2 1 -1 -27
28 26 1 -1 -28
29 16 1 -1 -29
30 19 1 -1 -30
31 17 1 -1 -31
32 14 1 -1 -32
33 20 1 -1 -33
34 23 1 -1 -34
35 14 1 -1 -35
36 6 1 -1 -36
37 12 1 -1 -37
38 3 1 -1 -38
39 10 1 -1 -39
40 24 1 -1 -40
41 33 1 -1 -41
42 1 1 -1 -42
43 0 1 -1 -43
44 11 1 35 -8
45 23 2 -2 -10
46 35 2 -2 -12
47 13 2 -2 -14
48 26 2 -2 -16
49 11 2 70 54
50 35 4 -4 50
51 19 4 -4 46
52 4 4 -4 42
53 14 4 -4 38
54 5 4 -4 34
55 22 4 -4 30
56 15 4 -4 26
57 30 4 -4 22
58 3 4 -4 18
59 15 4 -4 14
60 4 4 -4 10
61 18 4 -4 6
62 4 4 -4 2
63 25 4 -4 -2
64 25 4 -4 -6
65 25 4 -4 -10
66 25 4 -4 -14
67 31 4 -4 -18
68 20 4 -4 -22
69 14 4 -4 -26
70 1 4 -4 -30
71 32 4 -4 -34
72 6 4 -4 -38
73 29 4 -4 -42
74 9 4 -4 -46
75 31 4 -4 -50
76 31 4 -4 -54
77 5 4 -4 -58
78 21 4 -4 -62
79 30 4 -4 -66
80 9 4 -4 -70
81 22 4 -4 -74
82 7 4 -4 -78
83 23 4 -4 -82
84 5 4 -4 -86
85 21 4 -4 -90
86 4 4 -4 -94
87 31 4 -4 -98
88 22 4 -4 -102
89 30 4 -4 -106
90 31 4 -4 -110
91 8 4 -4 -114
92 17 4 -4 -118
93 26 4 -4 -122
94 8 4 -4 -126
95 30 4 -4 -130
96 12 4 -4 -134
97 11 4 140 6
98 5 8 -8 -2
99 18 8 -8 -10
100 26 8 -8 -18
101 35 8 -8 -26
102 5 8 -8 -34
103 23 8 -8 -42
104 33 8 -8 -50
105 20 8 -8 -58
106 20 8 -8 -66
107 20 8 -8 -74
108 9 8 -8 -82
109 23 8 -8 -90
110 3 8 -8 -98
111 36 8 -8 -106
112 3 8 -8 -114
113 5 8 -8 -122
114 32 8 -8 -130
115 22 8 -8 -138
116 16 8 -8 -146
117 11 8 280 134
todays game a short one
selected #27
c # 27 max 106
min -61
spin perm prog result total
1 30 1 -1 -1
2 9 1 -1 -2
3 26 1 -1 -3
4 4 1 -1 -4
5 14 1 -1 -5
6 15 1 -1 -6
7 29 1 -1 -7
8 12 1 -1 -8
9 3 1 -1 -9
10 19 1 -1 -10
11 33 1 -1 -11
12 11 1 -1 -12
13 22 1 -1 -13
14 24 1 -1 -14
15 24 1 -1 -15
16 12 1 -1 -16
17 30 1 -1 -17
18 0 1 -1 -18
19 21 1 -1 -19
20 9 1 -1 -20
21 22 1 -1 -21
22 5 1 -1 -22
23 3 1 -1 -23
24 2 1 -1 -24
25 25 1 -1 -25
26 18 1 -1 -26
27 35 1 -1 -27
28 20 1 -1 -28
29 16 1 -1 -29
30 10 1 -1 -30
31 31 1 -1 -31
32 33 1 -1 -32
33 23 1 -1 -33
34 18 1 -1 -34
35 22 1 -1 -35
36 15 1 -1 -36
37 0 1 -1 -37
38 21 1 -1 -38
39 24 1 -1 -39
40 18 1 -1 -40
41 1 1 -1 -41
42 33 1 -1 -42
43 11 1 -1 -43
44 5 1 -1 -44
45 25 1 -1 -45
46 22 1 -1 -46
47 0 1 -1 -47
48 24 1 -1 -48
49 34 1 -1 -49
50 25 1 -1 -50
51 2 1 -1 -51
52 31 1 -1 -52
53 22 1 -1 -53
54 32 1 -1 -54
55 6 1 -1 -55
56 8 1 -1 -56
57 17 1 -1 -57
58 33 1 -1 -58
59 24 1 -1 -59
60 34 1 -1 -60
61 1 1 -1 -61
62 27 1 35 -26
63 5 2 -2 -28
64 31 2 -2 -30
65 32 2 -2 -32
66 0 2 -2 -34
67 30 2 -2 -36
68 27 2 70 34
69 6 4 -4 30
70 9 4 -4 26
71 34 4 -4 22
72 10 4 -4 18
73 29 4 -4 14
74 28 4 -4 10
75 29 4 -4 6
76 2 4 -4 2
77 6 4 -4 -2
78 25 4 -4 -6
79 16 4 -4 -10
80 0 4 -4 -14
81 9 4 -4 -18
82 0 4 -4 -22
83 15 4 -4 -26
84 11 4 -4 -30
85 25 4 -4 -34
86 27 4 140 106
Today we have a funny situation. 4 numbers with 8 hits only in the actuals of yesterday.
{13;20;23;32}
What can we do?
- We bet the farthest back (20)
- We bet all four
- We bet the first one that hits
- We start betting the last remaining ( so thre of 4 have hit)
- We start betting the 3rd that had appeared, because the last one could be the new very-long-time-sleeper
results coming later
br
winkel
We bet the farthest back: 20
max 481 units
end 481 units
first hit spin 143 -107
win limit +90 at spin 250 +481
lowest stack: -343
We bet the last remaining: #20 at spin 66
max 547 units
end 547 units
first hit spin 76 (143) -41
win limit +90 spin 183 (250) +547
lowest stack: -277
We bet the 3rd after first appearance: spin 66 #13
max +153
end +153
first hit spin 1 (67) +35
winlimit +90 spin 47 (114) +153
lowest stack: -53
the other two later
The game is still in progress.
Betting all 4 numbers
rules:
- target +90 of all 4 single results
- is a single number +90 or higher it is still bet up to table-limit 32units (this is if one of them is a favorite now so we wanna collect)
max 549 units
end 549 units
win limit +90 at spin 263 +549
lowest stack: -1595
next rule will be:
- every single # stops at +90 or higher
- or stops after win in prog-stage 32
(have to wait for more spins for that)
Quote from: winkel on Mar 04, 03:18 PM 2011
max 549 units
end 549 units
win limit +90 at spin 263 +549
lowest stack: -1595
I haven't really been following this thread but the "lowest stack: -1595" line caught my eye.
Does that mean your net was down -1595 or does it imply something totally different?
AD
QuoteBankroll needed:
600 (1000) times 1 units - result -600+36 = -564 (-964)
600 (1000) * 2 units - Saldo -1200+72 = -1028 (-1928)
600 (1000) * 4 units - Saldo -2400+144 = -2056 (-3856)
so we need a BR of 2 to 4 Thousand chips.
first post to read
br
winkel
The way to stop a sinlge of 4 with +90 and bet the others to table-limit is no good idea
see picture 1
Better weould be to bet all 4 number to a hit at table-limit and stop if sum is bigger than +90
see picture 2
Todays selected #28
we reached table-limit without reaching win-target.
So the result at prog-stage 32 and win was -1623
total of 5 days
+118
+1193
+106
+481
-1623
total +275
our bankroll is 4000 units. so if we have the nuts we can bet flat 32 units in hope to get back to plus.
br
winkel
short one today
selected #1
spin # 1 max 121
min -80
spin perm prog result total
1 19 1 -1 -1
2 21 1 -1 -2
3 2 1 -1 -3
4 28 1 -1 -4
5 4 1 -1 -5
6 20 1 -1 -6
7 21 1 -1 -7
8 29 1 -1 -8
9 24 1 -1 -9
10 33 1 -1 -10
11 36 1 -1 -11
12 30 1 -1 -12
13 34 1 -1 -13
14 10 1 -1 -14
15 24 1 -1 -15
16 25 1 -1 -16
17 18 1 -1 -17
18 6 1 -1 -18
19 2 1 -1 -19
20 24 1 -1 -20
21 32 1 -1 -21
22 29 1 -1 -22
23 9 1 -1 -23
24 24 1 -1 -24
25 33 1 -1 -25
26 7 1 -1 -26
27 15 1 -1 -27
28 12 1 -1 -28
29 25 1 -1 -29
30 35 1 -1 -30
31 4 1 -1 -31
32 27 1 -1 -32
33 10 1 -1 -33
34 36 1 -1 -34
35 4 1 -1 -35
36 23 1 -1 -36
37 29 1 -1 -37
38 31 1 -1 -38
39 2 1 -1 -39
40 13 1 -1 -40
41 7 1 -1 -41
42 6 1 -1 -42
43 3 1 -1 -43
44 28 1 -1 -44
45 30 1 -1 -45
46 33 1 -1 -46
47 16 1 -1 -47
48 10 1 -1 -48
49 18 1 -1 -49
50 25 1 -1 -50
51 36 1 -1 -51
52 2 1 -1 -52
53 26 1 -1 -53
54 31 1 -1 -54
55 10 1 -1 -55
56 30 1 -1 -56
57 12 1 -1 -57
58 22 1 -1 -58
59 26 1 -1 -59
60 10 1 -1 -60
61 11 1 -1 -61
62 14 1 -1 -62
63 22 1 -1 -63
64 27 1 -1 -64
65 4 1 -1 -65
66 34 1 -1 -66
67 27 1 -1 -67
68 33 1 -1 -68
69 13 1 -1 -69
70 21 1 -1 -70
71 4 1 -1 -71
72 20 1 -1 -72
73 5 1 -1 -73
74 9 1 -1 -74
75 22 1 -1 -75
76 4 1 -1 -76
77 6 1 -1 -77
78 34 1 -1 -78
79 35 1 -1 -79
80 32 1 -1 -80
81 1 1 35 -45
82 1 2 70 25
83 26 4 -4 21
84 17 4 -4 17
85 16 4 -4 13
86 17 4 -4 9
87 35 4 -4 5
88 23 4 -4 1
89 0 4 -4 -3
90 31 4 -4 -7
91 10 4 -4 -11
92 22 4 -4 -15
93 5 4 -4 -19
94 1 4 140 121
total now +396
another very short one; selected # 15
spin # 15 190
-16
prog result total
1 1 -1 -1
2 1 -1 -2
3 1 -1 -3
4 1 -1 -4
5 1 -1 -5
6 1 -1 -6
7 1 -1 -7
8 1 -1 -8
9 1 -1 -9
10 1 -1 -10
11 1 -1 -11
12 1 35 24
13 2 -2 22
14 2 -2 20
15 2 -2 18
16 2 -2 16
17 2 -2 14
18 2 -2 12
19 2 -2 10
20 2 -2 8
21 2 -2 6
22 2 -2 4
23 2 -2 2
24 2 -2 0
25 2 -2 -2
26 2 -2 -4
27 2 -2 -6
28 2 -2 -8
29 2 -2 -10
30 2 -2 -12
31 2 -2 -14
32 2 -2 -16
33 2 70 54
34 4 -4 50
35 4 140 190
yesterdays results #16
spin # 16 max 243
min -317
spin perm prog result total
1 20 1 -1 -1
2 36 1 -1 -2
3 6 1 -1 -3
4 24 1 -1 -4
5 34 1 -1 -5
6 9 1 -1 -6
7 14 1 -1 -7
8 4 1 -1 -8
9 33 1 -1 -9
10 5 1 -1 -10
11 12 1 -1 -11
12 23 1 -1 -12
13 28 1 -1 -13
14 4 1 -1 -14
15 6 1 -1 -15
16 25 1 -1 -16
17 29 1 -1 -17
18 18 1 -1 -18
19 34 1 -1 -19
20 22 1 -1 -20
21 28 1 -1 -21
22 27 1 -1 -22
23 15 1 -1 -23
24 35 1 -1 -24
25 24 1 -1 -25
26 6 1 -1 -26
27 31 1 -1 -27
28 8 1 -1 -28
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145 26 8 -8 -125
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158 29 8 -8 -229
159 7 8 -8 -237
160 19 8 -8 -245
161 32 8 -8 -253
162 15 8 -8 -261
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164 19 16 -16 3
165 22 16 -16 -13
166 27 16 -16 -29
167 24 16 -16 -45
168 8 16 -16 -61
169 22 16 -16 -77
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172 22 16 -16 -125
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174 35 16 -16 -157
175 3 16 -16 -173
176 4 16 -16 -189
177 24 16 -16 -205
178 7 16 -16 -221
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185 16 16 560 243
total 829
hi how do you decide what number 2 bet on
Quote from: ausjase on Mar 09, 04:27 AM 2011
hi how do you decide what number 2 bet on
I just see that my first post is "hidden" ;D
The # to play is the least hit # of the day before
Here in the US we don't have the previous days spins.
What's your recommendation for choosing the number to play?
Thanks,
Wally
Why are some of Winkle's post hidden? ???
Here are the initial posts by winkel from google cache, you may save it for backup:
goo. gl/VcSSG (pls remove the space between "goo. " & "gl/VcSSG")
Or google: "site:rouletteforum. cc The most simple constant winning bet" ,then find the "cached" version of related thread
I've read it and if you have 2k units you can have constant winning! Is winkel still using this strategy? I want an answer from winkel because if he is still using after all this months i'm willing to sell something and invest 2k units!
It was said he is on a german roulette forum.