Okay here it is, this is a columns method. I haven't tested it on the dozens. But instead have used the slightly more unpredictable nature of the columns for THE MATRIX SLIDE. It is basically a matrix diagonal concept. Talked of but never fully looked at. I have been testing on the quite for a few months, when I realized it works, possibly even better than the MATRIX VERTICAL. Okay the RULES...
OPTION 1
1, We record spins in a 4 wide matrix for the columns until we get a diagonal line of three of the same column. EXAMPLE...
ABCA
AABA
BBAC
BBCX
2, We then bet using the classic 2 step progression (1,1--3,3=total risk 8 units) that the diagonal TRIP doesn't become a QUAD. We are betting against two consecutive diagonal QUADS forming in any single game from either side of the matrix. EXAMPLE...
AACB
BABC
CBAA
BBAC---A diagonal QUAD of column B from right to left=step 1 lost
CAAA
BCBA
BACB
AABB---A diagonal TRIP of column C from left to right=step 2 won as it didn't become a QUAD.
3, We play OPTION 1 of THE MATRIX SLIDE for a maximum of two games a session. I have played 120 games to date and won 115 of them in the classic HIT AND RUN application.
OPTION 2
We follow step one above but we employ a three step progression (1,1--3,3--9,9=26 units risk)
Betting against the formation of 3 consecutive DIAGONAL QUADS. I haven't seen 3 in a row so far. So I think that makes this method very powerful played in short sessions. I will update my full results tomorrow including step 1 and step 2 wins. And all questions are welcome. I hope you will find THE MATRIX SLIDE as useful as I have.
AMAZING JohnLegend.....
I often look for suddle signs that a method has something to it.......
Just a few days ago I looked at playing CODE 4 diagonally.......
Really look forward to delving deeper down this rabbit hole......
Quote from: amk on Jul 21, 05:08 PM 2011
AMAZING JohnLegend.....
I often look for suddle signs that a method has something to it.......
Just a few days ago I looked at playing CODE 4 diagonally.......
Really look forward to delving deeper down this rabbit hole......
OMG imagine CODE 4 in the MATRIX SLIDE. NEUTRON BOMB PROOF LoL, Yes AMK its fascinating and appears more stable than the VERTICAL CONCEPT and a faster turnover. Push on people. By the way CODE 4 still has a 100% record. I will fully update in the morning. Many thanks....
I'm actually liking the 'Slide' John. Looks really workable.
And not a Dance move in sight.
Well done.
will test as soon as I'm back on the tables.
Cheers.
Quote
AACB
BABC
CBAA
BBAC---A diagonal QUAD of column B from right to left=step 1 lost
In this one John, there are TWO possible formations of Triples are ready formed, did U choose the 'B' formation, just to show the example? The 'First' Triple, is an 'A' and its goes on to become a 'C'......
Quote from: chrisbis on Jul 21, 05:29 PM 2011
I'm actually liking the 'Slide' John. Looks really workable.
And not a Dance move in sight.
Well done.
will test as soon as I'm back on the tables.
Cheers.
Thankyou Chrisbis, option one is good, option 2 may be bomb proof, I can't imagine a better bet for only 26 units. Especially jumping in and out of the cycle. It also moves along faster than the original MATRIX VERTICAL 5 for Dozens...
Yes thats for the example Chrisbis, but I would have played it anyhow if it was a real play game...
Quick Sidenote:
CODE 4 played DIAGONALLY..... 875 games won 8 loses, 5 of which due to the zero
MATRIX SLIDE.................
Hi AMK!
How you played Matrix Slide for code 4, there mixed dozens and columns. Please explain. Thank you.
Quote from: amk on Jul 21, 06:27 PM 2011
Quick Sidenote:
CODE 4 played DIAGONALLY..... 875 games won 8 loses, 5 of which due to the zero
MATRIX SLIDE.................
Sounds great Amk is that 80 units lost per game give a few examples of The CODE 4 SLIDER...
Thanks Johnlegend for your work, it inspires hope in us that can beat roulette.
[reveal][/reveal]
Quote from: donik7777 on Jul 21, 06:50 PM 2011
Thanks Johnlegend for your work, it inspires hope in us that can beat roulette.
You are welcome, just stay with it long enough and hope becomes hard cash. The saying only fools rush in could have no better example than an impatient gambler.
To the cynics and doubters, I am under no illusion that random can figure out any code/pattern eventually with the unlimited physics of a real wheel. The question is, can we exploit the number of times it fails to finish the job, that's what a good method is all about.
I saw several players on Paddypower crying fix youre using MAGNETS yesterday because the pretty Latvian girl spun off *17* EVENS in a row. They still don't understand trying to tackle roulette straight off the layout with no break up of randoms flow, is a disaster waiting to happen. One day it might come to their thoughts. For most it never will...
nice one i like ,i will test this when i get back from holidays. :thumbsup:
Quote:
AACB
BABC
CBAA
BBAC---A diagonal QUAD of column B from right to left=step 1 lostQuote from: chrisbis on Jul 21, 05:34 PM 2011
In this one John, there are TWO possible formations of Triples are ready formed, did you choose the 'B' formation, just to show the example? The 'First' Triple, is an 'A' and its goes on to become a 'C'......
Obviously after a loss we wait for another 12 spins!? ???
Quote from: marivo on Jul 22, 03:48 AM 2011
Quote:
AACB
BABC
CBAA
BBAC---A diagonal QUAD of column B from right to left=step 1 lost
Obviously after a loss we wait for another 12 spins!? ???
Hi Marivo, no as in the example above there is another betting oppurtunity in the same 16 spin cube. Remember like the PATTERN BREAKER and MATRIX VERTICAL 5.
This is a truly random method, we must wait for random to select our bet for us. A game can take 40 spins to qualify, then you can have two or three games in 20 spins.
All I know is it works it really does. I have played 130 games now. And will up date in the next hour.
THE MATRIX SLIDE RESULTS 22/07/11
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 130
TOTAL GAMES WON 124
TOTAL GAMES LOST 6
STRIKERATE APPROX 19/1
BALANCE 164 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 92
STEP 2 WINS 32
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 33 GAMES.
I must add, if played with the extra step OPTION 2. The strikerate would still be 100%. Played two games a session. Will update next at 200 games played.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 22, 05:45 AM 2011
All I know is it works it really does. I have played 130 games now. And will up date in the next hour.
Ok, thank you very much!
@ JohnLegend: Congratulations on your new system :thumbsup:
I know you say it is your last system for a while, but hope you continue to post your ideas.
(Would have hated to miss "Matrix Slide" on a hesitation.)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Jul 22, 09:09 AM 2011
@ JohnLegend: Congratulations on your new system :thumbsup:
I know you say it is your last system for a while, but hope you continue to post your ideas.
(Would have hated to miss "Matrix Slide" on a hesitation.)
Thanks Proof, I think theres enough strong methods on this forum now. There really is. Its time to build up a formiddable BR. That can rattle the cage. They all work Proof.
Who has the staying power to reap the rewards Proof ? Thats the only question now...
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 21, 04:59 PM 2011
Okay here it is, this is a columns method. I haven't tested it on the dozens. But instead have used the slightly more unpredictable nature of the columns for THE MATRIX SLIDE. It is basically a matrix diagonal concept. Talked of but never fully looked at. I have been testing on the quite for a few months, when I realized it works, possibly even better than the MATRIX VERTICAL. Okay the RULES...
OPTION 1
1, We record spins in a 4 wide matrix for the columns until we get a diagonal line of three of the same column. EXAMPLE...
ABCA
AABA
BBAC
BBCX
2, We then bet using the classic 2 step progression (1,1--3,3=total risk 8 units) that the diagonal TRIP doesn't become a QUAD. We are betting against two consecutive diagonal QUADS forming in any single game from either side of the matrix. EXAMPLE...
AACB
BABC
CBAA
BBAC---A diagonal QUAD of column B from right to left=step 1 lost
CAAA
BCBA
BACB
AABB---A diagonal TRIP of column C from left to right=step 2 won as it didn't become a QUAD.
3, We play OPTION 1 of THE MATRIX SLIDE for a maximum of two games a session. I have played 120 games to date and won 115 of them in the classic HIT AND RUN application.
OPTION 2
We follow step one above but we employ a three step progression (1,1--3,3--9,9=26 units risk)
Betting against the formation of 3 consecutive DIAGONAL QUADS. I haven't seen 3 in a row so far. So I think that makes this method very powerful played in short sessions. I will update my full results tomorrow including step 1 and step 2 wins. And all questions are welcome. I hope you will find THE MATRIX SLIDE as useful as I have.
JL.........still cant understand how to play yet......could u help to explain further ???
Quote from: viclimks on Jul 22, 01:54 PM 2011
JL.........still can't understand how to play yet......could you help to explain further ???
Okay,
BBCA
ABCC
CABA--See the diagonal line of 3 COLUMN Bs
CACX
that's our trigger, where you see the X we bet that it will not be another COLUMN B. So we bet on column A And column C. Do you understand this part Viclimks?
Quick Sidenote:
CODE 4 played DIAGONALLY..... 875 games won 8 loses, 5 of which due to the zero
MATRIX SLIDE.................
Hi AMK!
Please answer how you play?
Hello donik7777,
I must add that I tested CODE 4 diagonally slightly different but it does show how CODE 4 would perform in it's original format.
I tested CODE 4 diagonally back to back, with this I mean one line versus the next line. In essence no back to back repeat of the same sequence...........
Example:
2 B 1 C
2 C 2 A
. C 3 A
3 . 3 C
1 C . C
2 A 2 .
Quote from: amk on Jul 25, 10:04 AM 2011
Hello donik7777,
I must add that I tested CODE 4 diagonally slightly different but it does show how CODE 4 would perform in it's original format.
I tested CODE 4 diagonally back to back, with this I mean one line versus the next line. In essence no back to back repeat of the same sequence...........
Example:
2 B 1 C
2 C 2 A
. C 3 A
3 . 3 C
1 C . C
2 A 2 .
Very interesting AMK, will have to look at this. I've be testing the original CODE 4 in a CODE 5 FORMAT. But played consecutively back to back. IT LOOKS UNBEATABLE. YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR ENTRY POINT, so you can wait for one, two or three matches before you commence play. Over the weekend I tested 500 lines against Iggivs limitless German database of spins. It didn't produce a single match. AND that's CONSECUTIVE. The way I play forget it you may NEVER LOSE.
THE MATRIX SLIDE TOO, played with a four step, progression is looking impregnable by randoms ever morphing nature. Its another ACHILLES HEEL identified.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 25, 10:35 AM 2011
Very interesting AMK, will have to look at this. I've be testing the original CODE 4 in a CODE 5 FORMAT. But played consecutively back to back. IT LOOKS UNBEATABLE. YOU CAN CHOOSE YOUR ENTRY POINT, so you can wait for one, two or three matches before you commence play. Over the weekend I tested 500 lines against Iggivs limitless German database of spins. I didn't produce a single match. AND that's CONSECUTIVE. The way I play forget it you may NEVER LOSE.
THE MATRIX SLIDE TOO, played with a four step,progression is looking impregnable by randoms ever morphing nature. Its another ACHILLES HEEL identified.
john how do you mean code 5?
Quote from: warrior on Jul 25, 10:45 AM 2011
john how do you mean code 5?
This is how I've been testing.
3A2CA--CODE TO OPPOSE
2A2BA--WIN STEP 1
As you can see I keep the fifth step of the code another COLUMN. Its just working. Taken to the fifth step ONCE in 520 consecutive lines. PLAYED HIT AND RUN FORGET IT. STRIKERATE WILL BE OFF THE CHART.
hi john do you play this with a progression or flat bet
tom
Hello JohnLegend,
Looks like were off on yet another journey.....
3A2CA--CODE TO OPPOSE
2A2BA--WIN STEP 1
You are playing CODE 5 CODE 4 style, so in the example above there were two more patterns?
3A2CA
.......... PATTERN
.......... PATTERN
212BA
If we wait for a repeat on our first dozen then we would have a 80 unit progression.......
However, CODE 5 played HIT AND RUN would make the large unit progression worth the risk but would call this a High Roller method......
Hope we can get some more people testing out there, only on **LIVE** wheel data..........
Quote from: joiner29 on Jul 25, 10:57 AM 2011
hi john do you play this with a progression or flat bet
tom
Hi Tom I'm not playing for real yet. IF IT HOLDS for 2000 lines (by that I mean I expect 500/1 minumum) I will commence playing CODE 5 with a one spin TRIGGER, and then use a four step progression to bet the remaining four steps don't match EXAMPLE.
2A3CC-CODE 1
2B1AB-WIN BET 1 COL B.
Do you understand this Tom? The first spin must be A VIRTUAL MATCH. Newbies could wait for two matches then bet from the third step. All I know is its looking incredible. I havent lost CODE 4 YET, imagine CODE 5 HIT AND RUN. The only difference AMK is this is consecutive because of the first spin match stipulation. But from what ive seen so far its worth it.
understood looks great
tom
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jul 22, 06:17 AM 2011
THE MATRIX SLIDE RESULTS 22/07/11
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 130
TOTAL GAMES WON 124
TOTAL GAMES LOST 6
STRIKERATE APPROX 19/1
BALANCE 164 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 92
STEP 2 WINS 32
LONGEST WINNING STREAK 33 GAMES.
I must add, if played with the extra step OPTION 2. The strikerate would still be 100%. Played two games a session. Will update next at 200 games played.
Hi JohnL.,
just for clarifying:
130 games played, how can you get +164? you should win at leats 1 unit per game...
I'm missing something?
tx
andrea
"I have lost CODE 4 YET, imagine CODE 5 HIT AND RUN."
Just saw a little typo.... "I have not lost CODE 4 YET" :)
I see how you are testing JohnLegend, 1 line versus 1 line back to back......
I know I am going off on a tangent again but just wanted to see what the possibilities are....
MATRIX VERTICAL 5 played CODE 5 format...
11 6 pointers or + in 7000 spins If you wait for a repeat and play a 4 stage progression 1400 games would have been played with 11 loses +600 units.... I did test on random.org just to illustrate the potential on LIVE WHEEL.....
Sorry for the tangent..........
Quote from: wolfat on Jul 25, 11:29 AM 2011
Hi JohnL.,
just for clarifying:
130 games played, how can you get +164? you should win at leats 1 unit per game...
I'm missing something?
tx
andrea
Hello Andrea and welcome, I use THREE BETTING LEVELS AS FOLLOWS.
1,1-3,3--LEVEL 1
3,3-9,9--LEVEL 2
12,12-36,36--LEVEL 3
After a losing game I will raise to LEVEL 2 for two games. After a DOUBLE LOSS I will raise to LEVEL 3 for two games. I also play my first game of the day at LEVEL 2. This is why my winning balance supercedes the number of ganes won and lost.
I am currently toying with the idea of a four step progression all in. As three consecutive complete slides seems to be randoms limit. Sufficiently enough to turn a handsome profit...
Quote from: amk on Jul 25, 12:08 PM 2011
"I have lost CODE 4 YET, imagine CODE 5 HIT AND RUN."
Just saw a little typo.... "I have not lost CODE 4 YET" :)
I see how you are testing JohnLegend, 1 line versus 1 line back to back......
I know I am going off on a tangent again but just wanted to see what the possibilities are....
MATRIX VERTICAL 5 played CODE 5 format...
11 6 pointers or + in 7000 spins If you wait for a repeat and play a 4 stage progression 1400 games would have been played with 11 loses +600 units.... I did test on random.org just to illustrate the potential on LIVE WHEEL.....
Sorry for the tangent..........
Its all good AMK, I don't know if you remember SCOOBIES TWO OF A KIND? Well I've been testing it using COLUMNS. And it works better than dozens. With a fast turnover. So there space for it all.
CODE 4 STILL hasn't LOST, I'm speechless. Never thought I would see the day a method would go well beyond 500 games without loss. I think the MATRIX SLIDE is going to produce similar results when I start playing it with 4 steps....
How did you change that typo JohnLegend? :)
Hi AMK!
You won 875, how many win on 1 steps and 2 steps?
Hello donik7777,
I did not take note of progression steps........
I felt that only a loss was relevant........
MATRIX SLIDE played with a four step progression or a loss as a trigger would be very strong........
Quote from: amk on Jul 26, 07:01 PM 2011
MATRIX SLIDE played with a four step progression or a loss as a trigger would be very strong........
I agree Amk, I haven't seen more than three consecutive slides. For newbies a one slide trigger and three step progression would be the ticket.
Played for two game sessions as I'm doing I expect at least 200/1 The only thing is, because its a pure random method like PATTERN BREAKER. It cannot be rushed, you have to wait for random to deliver your bet.
This is why I hail CODE 4 the greatest mechanical method I've ever seen. It performs brilliantly for a set method...
THATS BECAUSE IT IS FUCKING FIXED, AND SO'S THE SLINGSHOT THEY GOT ON THERE, YOU CANT BEAT ROULETTE ANYWAY BUT THEY STILL FIX IT AS WELL TO FUCK UP YOUR LUCK, IT STOPS HIT AND RUN TACTICS YOU SEE!
For the last week I have converted to playing THE MATRIX SLIDE with a FOUR STEP PROGRESSION for 5 x 2 a day. With 80 units Im seeing a potentially astronomical strikerate. Even with CODE 4 we know it can lose your 80 unit progression. I think catching a loss on the slide with a four step will be near impossible.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 80
TOTAL GAMES WON 80
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 160 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 48
STEP 2 WINS 26
STEP 3 WINS 6
STEP 4 CURRENTLY UNCHALLENGED...
I have read a lot of pages about the matrix systems. Can you tell me why you guys are going crazy over this technique? Why does writing the results in a different way going to produce a better strike rate? I really would like to know the theory behind this? I am puzzled. Why not just bet anything into a martingale?
Quote from: keel44 on Jul 31, 11:34 PM 2011
I have read a lot of pages about the matrix systems. Can you tell me why you guys are going crazy over this technique? Why does writing the results in a different way going to produce a better strike rate? I really would like to know the theory behind this? I am puzzled. Why not just bet anything into a martingale?
Keel let me give you the advantage. Lets say like nearly everyone who plays roulette you play straight off the layout.
So for example you may wait for three reds then using a martingale progression bet there won't be say 8 reds. Yes you will win. But you will ALWAYS be at the mercy of randoms ebb and flow.
At anytime random may decide it wants to show you 10,12,14 or more reds. The other day people were crying foul play at betfreds because the croupier spun off 18 evens.
Hurling abuse, these morons have no idea what theyre up against. NOW, putting the results into a matrix MAKES RANDOM WORK MUCH HARDER.
Instead of trying to tame its CONSTANT FLOW. Which you CANNOT. We break up that flow and make it go round in cycles. So instead of producing 17 straight reds or blacks. It has to place the same result in the same place every three or four or five spins. And its not as efficient at doing this.
You also have A VISUAL CHART before you that allows you to study randoms behaviour. AND MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY. *ITS COMMON LIMITS*. By that I mean points it cannot breech very often. From this functional methods can be forged to take advantage of these common limits.
THE MATRIX SLIDE is looking like the ultimate random tamer right now.
What bankroll would you recommend for a $10 base bet?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Aug 01, 08:19 AM 2011
What bankroll would you recommend for a $10 base bet?
Your BR should be at least 200 X the size of your base bet so for $10 you ideally want $2000
Quote from: qwerty on Jul 29, 11:02 AM 2011
that's BECAUSE IT IS f****** FIXED, AND SO'S THE SLINGSHOT THEY GOT ON THERE, YOU can't BEAT ROULETTE ANYWAY BUT THEY STILL FIX IT AS WELL TO f*** UP YOUR LUCK, IT STOPS HIT AND RUN TACTICS YOU SEE!
That's not going to happen Qwerty. If you have 20 people playing at an online wheel how can they stop them all winning? Give me some example of why you think youre being cheated along with YOUR METHOD. And I will tell you why youre losing.
If you have lost badly in the recent times its simply because you are lacking one or more of the THREE ESSENTIALS of success and nothing else.
Nothing can be missing or you will fail for certain.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 01, 04:45 AM 2011
Keel let me give you the advantage. Lets say like nearly everyone who plays roulette you play straight off the layout.
So for example you may wait for three reds then using a martingale progression bet there won't be say 8 reds. Yes you will win. But you will ALWAYS be at the mercy of randoms ebb and flow.
At anytime random may decide it wants to show you 10,12,14 or more reds. The other day people were crying foul play at betfreds because the croupier spun off 18 evens.
Hurling abuse, these morons have no idea what theyre up against. NOW, putting the results into a matrix MAKES RANDOM WORK MUCH HARDER.
Instead of trying to tame its CONSTANT FLOW. Which you CANNOT. We break up that flow and make it go round in cycles. So instead of producing 17 straight reds or blacks. It has to place the same result in the same place every three or four or five spins. And its not as efficient at doing this.
You also have A VISUAL CHART before you that allows you to study randoms behaviour. AND MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY. *ITS COMMON LIMITS*. By that I mean points it cannot breech very often. From this functional methods can be forged to take advantage of these common limits.
THE MATRIX SLIDE is looking like the ultimate random tamer right now.
Thank You for your response. I understand what you mean. I may not agree with everything you have said, but it certainly makes me think. Maybe I'll just have a positive contribution. Just wait and see.
KEEL
Quote from: keel44 on Aug 01, 11:48 AM 2011
Thank You for your response. I understand what you mean. I may not agree with everything you have said, but it certainly makes me think. Maybe I'll just have a positive contribution. Just wait and see.
KEEL
What you have to do Keel is invest time to garner success. For 5 years I lost at this game. Because I played straight against the layout.
And I had no patience, I made all the classic mistakes like playing too long. Turning up with pocket money expecting to win a fortune. Even if you had given me a winning method.
I still would have lost. MY MINDSET WAS TOTALY WRONG. Until a player sorts that out there is no hope for them. Beating this game isnt a hobby, it has to become a lifestyle change.
I have invested countless hours in the pursuit of methods that not only work, but are affordable and simplistic enough to be grasped by all.
I read other peoples methods and sometimes wonder if I need a degree in math to understand them. as well as a loan from the bank to play them. And still they will lose
I don't push anything on a forum I don't believe in. I had my white elephant moment with MV6. But that was just me overcooking a winning recipe.
But I will say this, this thread I'm posting on right now, is going all the way. Any who invest the time will reap the rewards. Every method I've played has lost or shown it can lose.
THE MATRIX SLIDE? No, its not even challenging my 80 unit progression. NOT ONCE in 90 games so far. THE PRICE FOR A HOLY GRAIL IS **PATIENCE**.
Remember that always, there is no shortcut. don't waste your life away thinking there is. THE GAMES VERY BEATABLE. But very few have what it takes to beat it. that's the bottom line...
Hi JL could you tell me how you deal with the zero
tom
Quote from: joiner29 on Aug 01, 01:32 PM 2011
Hi JL could you tell me how you deal with the zero
tom
The great thing about THE SLIDE Tom is the Zero has very little if any impact on it. Unlike CODE 4 you arent playing your whole progression in potentially four consecutive spins. You are playing up to four separate attacks.
So far having played 90 games I havent lost a single slide because of the Zero. Any potential slide containing a ZERO is a VOID. E.G
ABCB
BACC
CC ZC--THE ZERO VOIDS THE POTENTIAL TRIGGER for the diagonal of column A.
Hi AMK!
You provide an outstanding result (875 games won 8 loses, 5 of which due to the zero).
What a progression you've played and how you play if there is a zero?
Thanks.
Hello JohnLegend,
We really appreciate all the experience that you share............
I know that we have more than enough winning methods...........
PATTERN BREAKER ironically being my favorite.........
However, I was just looking at your MATRIX SLIDE approach and saw.......
CABB
CCBC
CCXA.....X bet
CXXX.....XXX bet
As another possibility.......
Can also be played right to left.....
There are different betting sequences possible........
Quote from: amk on Aug 03, 08:53 PM 2011
Hello JohnLegend,
We really appreciate all the experience that you share............
I know that we have more than enough winning methods...........
PATTERN BREAKER ironically being my favorite.........
However, I was just looking at your MATRIX SLIDE approach and saw.......
CABB
CCBC
CCXA.....X bet
CXXX.....XXX bet
As another possibility.......
Can also be played right to left.....
There are different betting sequences possible........
Hi Amk, yes there are so many possibilitys.....
Take a look at this ones, matrix cube is v. similar to your idea,
and maybe better on 4 wide( not 5 wide).
link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/4matrix-systems/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/the-notepad/4matrix-systems/)
cheers
Quote from: amk on Aug 03, 08:53 PM 2011
Hello JohnLegend,
We really appreciate all the experience that you share............
I know that we have more than enough winning methods...........
PATTERN BREAKER ironically being my favorite.........
However, I was just looking at your MATRIX SLIDE approach and saw.......
CABB
CCBC
CCXA.....X bet
CXXX.....XXX bet
As another possibility.......
Can also be played right to left.....
There are different betting sequences possible........
Hi Amk, yes the slide already takes the right to left into consideration. IT HAS TO LoL, otherwise it wouldnt be playable live. What I SAY ABOUT PATTERN BREAKER is this. DOES IT LOSE? Yes. DOES IT LOSE TWICE No.
All things must be taken into consideration when evaluating a methods worth. I say to this point in time. PATTERN BREAKER is the best method for a single figure investment you are ever likely to see. 7 units will never work harder.
To move towards a grail you need to break the piggy bank. CODE 4 has a grail like strikerate. THE MATRIX SLIDE? Well, I'm telling you all wheres Superman and Ophis when you need them?
If anything ever needed to be seriously tested. ITS THE MATRIX SLIDE. My progression isnt even being challenged. PLAYED TWO BY TWO, forget it. I may never report a loss. I havent even had to use the fourth step of the progression after 140 games.
Is this the ONE? Its certainly looking the part... Update soon.
Hi guys!
We need to play methods as code 4, the matrix slide and D&C without progression, in real casino if you lose 80 units needed for a long time to regain. Therefore, it might be better to wait longer and play without progression, and lose by 2 units, which are easier to repair.
Hey John ? how many triggers do you get per 100 spins.thanks W.
QuoteI'm telling you all wheres Superman and Ophis when you need them?
Always here, ok, I botted it last night, working for a left to right slide and a right to left slide, I left it running overnight on BV NZ, see reveal
[reveal]W Cash 1 Peak 0 Prog 1
W Cash 2 Peak 1 Prog 1
L Cash 0 Peak 2 Prog 1
W Cash 3 Peak 2 Prog 3
L Cash 1 Peak 3 Prog 1
W Cash 4 Peak 3 Prog 3
W Cash 5 Peak 4 Prog 1
L Cash 3 Peak 5 Prog 1
W Cash 6 Peak 5 Prog 3
W Cash 7 Peak 6 Prog 1
W Cash 8 Peak 7 Prog 1
W Cash 9 Peak 8 Prog 1
W Cash 10 Peak 9 Prog 1
L Cash 8 Peak 10 Prog 1
W Cash 11 Peak 10 Prog 3
W Cash 12 Peak 11 Prog 1
W Cash 13 Peak 12 Prog 1
W Cash 14 Peak 13 Prog 1
W Cash 15 Peak 14 Prog 1
W Cash 16 Peak 15 Prog 1
L Cash 14 Peak 16 Prog 1
W Cash 17 Peak 16 Prog 3
W Cash 18 Peak 17 Prog 1
W Cash 19 Peak 18 Prog 1
W Cash 20 Peak 19 Prog 1
W Cash 21 Peak 20 Prog 1
W Cash 22 Peak 21 Prog 1
L Cash 20 Peak 22 Prog 1
W Cash 23 Peak 22 Prog 3
W Cash 24 Peak 23 Prog 1
W Cash 25 Peak 24 Prog 1
L Cash 23 Peak 25 Prog 1
W Cash 26 Peak 25 Prog 3
L Cash 24 Peak 26 Prog 1
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Yes it survived well, I was suprised by how many triggers appeared although sometimes you had to wait up to around 50 spins so that probably answers warriors question.
I wasn't sure if you were waiting for a virtual loss or not, couldn't be bothered reading the full thread, but if you were it would have had to wait most of the night to start as I told the bot to die after a full loss, I also just used the standard 2doc/col progression as you can see as I also wasn't sure on what you are doing, enlighten me.
Quote from: superman on Aug 05, 02:09 AM 2011
Always here, ok, I botted it last night, working for a left to right slide and a right to left slide, I left it running overnight on BV NZ, see reveal
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Yes it survived well, I was suprised by how many triggers appeared although sometimes you had to wait up to around 50 spins so that probably answers warriors question.
I wasn't sure if you were waiting for a virtual loss or not, couldn't be bothered reading the full thread, but if you were it would have had to wait most of the night to start as I told the bot to die after a full loss, I also just used the standard 2doc/col progression as you can see as I also wasn't sure on what you are doing, enlighten me.
You played 5 steps progress. And the last 1 lose?
QuoteYou played 5 steps progress. And the last 1 lose?
I played, 1,1-3,3-9,9-27,27-81,81 standard 2xdozen/column progression yes, just to see the bad bits.
QuoteMy progression isnt even being challenged
Funny how it's only YOU that never gets challenged by random!!
QuoteBeating this game isnt a hobby, it has to become a lifestyle change
Keep them trying/spending
QuoteTHE MATRIX SLIDE? No, its not even challenging my 80 unit progression. NOT ONCE in 90 games so far. THE PRICE FOR A HOLY GRAIL IS **PATIENCE**.
Sorry mate but that's BS
I had a read of your progression Mr Legend, mild 1,1-3,3 reset DOESN'T work you lose more than you gain SO I tried your 1,1-3,3-9,9 and guess what, see results in Reveal
[reveal]W Cash 1 Peak 0 Prog 1
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95 attacks 4 full losses and it never recovered, I even set it to start at 3 units after a full loss so it could atleast get 3 chips back but the losses come to often.
You know mate, I don't mean any disrespect but you are looking more and more like a Shill to me, if you are, you are damn good at it as you must have made many members here waste a fair bit of cash over the last few months. You will probably tell me I was doing it wrong or whatever but in essence all these matrix methods are doing is playing for/against whatever happened XX spins ago, which is rather irrelivent as the percentage of loss is always within the expected % you WILL get the same results betting EVERY spin, without tracking anything, just throw a dice, 1or2 = DozenA 3or4 = DozenB 5or6 = DozenC your results will be exactly the same guys.
@ everyone else, these results are not fixed, I am NOT negative in any way at all, these tests were run @ Betvoyager NZ so even without the zero this method still fails!!
Use @ your own risk ppl
hi JL just played matrix slide on betfair live and i lost on a 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 prog 104 spins so iam gutted as i thought this was it sorry to say
tom
Quotehi JL just played matrix slide on betfair live and I lost on a 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 prog 104 spins so iam gutted as I thought this was it sorry to say
I am sorry to hear that mate, but I doubt Mr Legend will be, mission accomplished yet again.
Even more proof people need to be warned, it's easy to seperate fools and their money so don't be fooled.
Quote from: superman on Aug 05, 05:55 AM 2011
You know mate, I don't mean any disrespect but you are looking more and more like a Shill to me, if you are, you are darn good at it as you must have made many members here waste a fair bit of cash over the last few months. You will probably tell me I was doing it wrong or whatever but in essence all these matrix methods are doing is playing I think people are starting to realise that John's systems are more hype than substance. for/against whatever happened XX spins ago, which is rather irrelivent as the percentage of loss is always within the expected % you WILL get the same results betting EVERY spin, without tracking anything, just throw a dice, 1or2 = DozenA 3or4 = DozenB 5or6 = DozenC your results will be exactly the same guys.
Well said superman, and thanks for showing that yet another touted "winner" doesn't work.
I've kept quiet in regard to John's systems, thinking that people will come to their own conclusions in time, and such is the case; people ARE beginning to realise that it's more hype than substance. I tried challenging him once, but was attacked for being "negative". ::) John's posts are fun to read, but none of the systems have any real merit. According to him, a crucial element of success is the nonsense of "hit and run". The kind of win rates John is claiming just don't hold up, no-one else seems to have achieved them. I say enough is enough! it's time to cut out the BS!
QuoteAccording to him, a crucial element of success is the nonsense of "hit and run"
And let's not forget the other, PATIENCE!!
Well, I actually agree with him about patience, but in my opinion that's important for any method of play, as is self-discipline.
The thing is, he can't accuse you of violating these golden rules, because you tested using a bot. Bots have endless patience and iron self-discipline and they never get distracted by a pretty dealer or need to take a p1ss. ;D
Even "hit and run" could be simulated; just stop the betting for a random number of trials before starting again.
Quote from: superman on Aug 05, 02:09 AM 2011
Always here, ok, I botted it last night, working for a left to right slide and a right to left slide, I left it running overnight on BV NZ, see reveal
[reveal]W Cash 1 Peak 0 Prog 1
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Yes it survived well, I was suprised by how many triggers appeared although sometimes you had to wait up to around 50 spins so that probably answers warriors question.
I wasn't sure if you were waiting for a virtual loss or not, couldn't be bothered reading the full thread, but if you were it would have had to wait most of the night to start as I told the bot to die after a full loss, I also just used the standard 2doc/col progression as you can see as I also wasn't sure on what you are doing, enlighten me.
WHY DO PEOPLE STILL PLAY THIS RNG CRAP.
Quote from: superman on Aug 05, 05:55 AM 2011
I played, 1,1-3,3-9,9-27,27-81,81 standard 2xdozen/column progression yes, just to see the bad bits.
Funny how it's only YOU that never gets challenged by random!!
Keep them trying/spending
Sorry mate but that's BS
I had a read of your progression Mr Legend, mild 1,1-3,3 reset DOESN'T work you lose more than you gain SO I tried your 1,1-3,3-9,9 and guess what, see results in Reveal
[reveal]W Cash 1 Peak 0 Prog 1
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95 attacks 4 full losses and it never recovered, I even set it to start at 3 units after a full loss so it could atleast get 3 chips back but the losses come to often.
You know mate, I don't mean any disrespect but you are looking more and more like a Shill to me, if you are, you are darn good at it as you must have made many members here waste a fair bit of cash over the last few months. You will probably tell me I was doing it wrong or whatever but in essence all these matrix methods are doing is playing for/against whatever happened XX spins ago, which is rather irrelivent as the percentage of loss is always within the expected % you WILL get the same results betting EVERY spin, without tracking anything, just throw a dice, 1or2 = DozenA 3or4 = DozenB 5or6 = DozenC your results will be exactly the same guys.
@ everyone else, these results are not fixed, I am NOT negative in any way at all, these tests were run @ Betvoyager NZ so even without the zero this method still fails!!
Use @ your own risk people
Isnt it amazing how you and bayes can sing from the wrong Hymn sheet then try to double team me.
One, I never trust BETVOYAGER NO ZERO. Its an RNG fullstop.
Two, dozens have nothing to do with THE MATRIX SLIDE. It was born and is run on THE COLUMNS.
Three, I am opperating a TWO BY TWO FOUR STEP PROGRESSION. Not two step.
Four calling me a shill is derogatory and insulting. What have I to gain telling lies? To show how one sided your attack on me is, there are other members on here who have reported far more impressive strikerates than myself. I don't see you passing comment there.
I should know better than to ask anything of you. Your objective is to go against anything I bring to this forum making me out to be some kind of con man.
I report exactly as the results come. So when others report even better results than mine. WHERE ARE YOU SUPERMAN and BAYES?
Selectively not around of course. This method as I am playing it is working wonders on a real wheel. Its that simple. So take a step back Ill know better from now on.
Unbiased real testing is the ONLY WAY...
watch out for betfair live wheel thats what screwed me this morning
tom
Quote from: joiner29 on Aug 05, 10:12 AM 2011
watch out for betfair live wheel that's what screwed me this morning
tom
What do u mean by that?
"WHY DO PEOPLE STILL PLAY THIS RNG nonsense?" >>> I do agree and great point BTW.
Ken
Ah, of course, I was forgetting, the evil RNG takes all your bankroll. :yawn:
So John, is that your answer? It's all down to the RNG? I'm not even sure that superman tested the system on a casino RNG, I think it was the built-in RNG in the programming language. In any case, that's a cop-out. I'm sure if someone took the trouble to test your systems using actuals the results would be the same. I've tested some of them myself this way and got nowhere near your claimed win rate.
BTW, joiner just told us to "watch out for the betfair LIVE wheel". There you have it; the system is never to blame, it's always the casino which is cheating you! ???
To be honest, I'm surprised that superman bothers to bot these systems any more. Here we have someone with the skill to put them through a thorough test, and actually puts in the time and effort to do it, but does he get so much as a "thank you"? there's always some excuse why the results are apparently invalid. Talk about shooting the messenger...
:embarrassed:
Quote from: joiner29 on Aug 05, 10:12 AM 2011
watch out for betfair live wheel that's what screwed me this morning
tom
Tom someone lost AMKS code 4 on their very first go. Does that mean the methods worthless? Then someone else has won 1,300 games with CODE 4. I don't know of Betfair. Are they a RUSSIAN LIVE FEED?
I use Betfreds and Ladbrokes for the most part.
Here is my results for the FOUR STEP PROGRESSION.
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 150
TOTAL GAMES WON 150
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 300 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 87
STEP 2 WINS 48
STEP 3 WINS 15
STEP 4 CURRENTLY UNCHALLENGED.
These results are garnered from playing the same TWO BY TWO strategy I employ for CODE 4. Contrary to what Superman and Bayes would have you believe. A, the method works. And you can paper test it until you are satisfied as such. I am not hear to lead anyone to losing. The exact opposite is my goal.
The one arm bandits are the profit makers for the casinos ,the percentage is high so rng roulette is no different . even testing in play mode you can see the difference.its like a blow up doll ,or you can have the real thing .Say what you what ,i have heard it all ,can you tell the differnce between rng results and real wheel if posted BLA BLA BLA,GUYS GIVE UP THE DEBATES on roulette, you will be here for the next 100 years its like a record skipping ,play if you want use the systems there better than having no system at all in the end that is why we call it GAMBLING!.
@ John,
What exactly is your objection to testing using a bot or simulation?
What is the difference between using a computer and manual testing, in your opinion?
QuoteThe one arm bandits are the profit makers for the casinos ,the percentage is high so rng roulette is no different .
Sorry, but this is just plain wrong. The % is calculated in the same way as on a real wheel. If it's just GAMBLING, then why bother to create systems at all? why not just scatter your chips over the table at random?
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 05, 11:20 AM 2011
Ah, of course, I was forgetting, the evil RNG takes all your bankroll. :yawn:
So John, is that your answer? It's all down to the RNG? I'm not even sure that superman tested the system on a casino RNG, I think it was the built-in RNG in the programming language. In any case, that's a cop-out. I'm sure if someone took the trouble to test your systems using actuals the results would be the same. I've tested some of them myself this way and got nowhere near your claimed win rate.
by the way, joiner just told us to "watch out for the betfair LIVE wheel". There you have it; the system is never to blame, it's always the casino which is cheating you! ???
To be honest, I'm surprised that superman bothers to bot these systems any more. Here we have someone with the skill to put them through a thorough test, and actually puts in the time and effort to do it, but does he get so much as a "thank you"? there's always some excuse why the results are apparently invalid. Talk about shooting the messenger...
Bayes, I'm not disputing Supermans results. I can just do what I do and report my results. What have I to gain from lying?
Someone always seems to find a loss no matter what you give them. I'm sure if the progression was 7 steps someone would still report a loss.
I go with what I get. Playing Amks CODE 4 I was looking for a 1000/1. I didn't get there, it lost after 642 games two by two. Then someone else reported a winning of 1,300 games, more than double mine. But we are both liars because youd never get those nunbers at BV NO ZERO.
Or Random.org of course. So it goes on. You can't win for toffee, so that means nobody else does.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 05, 11:47 AM 2011
@ John,
What exactly is your objection to testing using a bot or simulation?
What is the difference between using a computer and manual testing, in your opinion?
Sorry, but this is just plain wrong. The % is calculated in the same way as on a real wheel. If it's just GAMBLING, then why bother to create systems at all? why not just scatter your chips over the table at random?
[/quote I THINK YOU SHOULD GET MORE FACTS, and if you what to splatter all your chip all over the table go a head,the% is on all slot machines that make up a whole at the end of the month.
any time your money is on the line be it casino playing ,or buisness or stocks to me its all gambling ,you can can lose your money if you dont play the right way ,even millionares have gone bankrupt.
Quote from: warrior on Aug 05, 11:41 AM 2011
The one arm bandits are the profit makers for the casinos ,the percentage is high so rng roulette is no different . even testing in play mode you can see the difference.its like a blow up doll ,or you can have the real thing .Say what you what ,i have heard it all ,can you tell the differnce between rng results and real wheel if posted BLA BLA BLA,GUYS GIVE UP THE DEBATES on roulette, you will be here for the next 100 years its like a record skipping ,play if you want use the systems there better than having no system at all in the end that is why we call it GAMBLING!.
Warrior speaks the truth. No informed serious gambler will touch an RNG. Whether its BV NO ZERO or the seriously rigged machines at your local betting shop.
Anyone who tries to convince you theres no difference between an RNG or Live wheel is the real shill. I have seen things on an RNG you won't see on a live wheel if you lived forever.
Hi JohnLegend,
I've implemented the excellent SLIDE idea into a CODE 4 revision and I think you'll find it interesting food for thought over at the code 4 thread. Anyhow, I would welcome your thoughts as seems working quite well. You would need to try it yourself probably... May the good fortune continue to roll on...
A.
Quote from: warrior on Aug 05, 11:58 AM 2011
any time your money is on the line be it casino playing ,or buisness or stocks to me its all gambling ,you can can lose your money if you don't play the right way ,even millionares have gone bankrupt.
Isn't that the point? what is the "RIGHT way"?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 05, 12:01 PM 2011
Warrior speaks the truth. No informed serious gambler will touch and RNG. Whether its BV NO ZERO or the seriously rigged machines at your local betting shop.
Anyone who tries to convince you theres no difference between an RNG or Live wheel is the real shill. I have seen things on an RNG you won't see on a live wheel if you lived forever.
John, this is a dead issue as far as I'm concerned. I've no interest any more in trying to convince those with prejudice.
Please can you try to answer the questions I asked?
What is your objection to computer simulation/bot testing?
We have established that SOME are having success, and others (such as myself and superman) are seeing failure. At the very least, it puts your claim in doubt, unless you are saying that we're both lying?
You have to admit that the jury is still out. Some say it loses, some say it wins. Agreed?
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 05, 11:47 AM 2011
@ John,
What exactly is your objection to testing using a bot or simulation?
What is the difference between using a computer and manual testing, in your opinion?
Sorry, but this is just plain wrong. The % is calculated in the same way as on a real wheel. If it's just GAMBLING, then why bother to create systems at all? why not just scatter your chips over the table at random?
A computer isnt true random in any shape or form. The physics of a live wheel are unique. The croupiers mild influence also.
Even an AIRBALL MACHINE isnt as trustworthy as a live wheel. But certainly better than the manmade scams we call RANDOM NUMBER GENERATORS.
You see I know someone on the inside. RNGS are PERCENTAGE MACHINES. They work on the basis of 3 for me, 1 for you. Like a Slot machine. If you are the fool who enters play after the payout has been made. You will lose absolutely.
Arguing anyones point is futile, you requested me or ophis, I didn't have much to do last night so wasted the time botting the slide, you have known for a while that I test against the dreaded RNG as running it on a live wheel would take days to fail, and fail it will.
Joiner29 failed on a live wheel,
QuoteI don't know of Betfair. Are they a RUSSIAN LIVE FEED?
A live wheel is a live wheel is a live wheel or maybe the ball jockey has the initials of RNG
QuoteI use Betfreds and Ladbrokes for the most part
Yes, you've stated that numerous times, wonder why?
From here on as you know I only test against RNG so wont be botting anymore mirages and posting the results, fun doing it though but nobody likes the results it gets, I'll keep my nose out in future.
Quote from: superman on Aug 05, 12:34 PM 2011
Arguing anyones point is futile, you requested me or ophis, I didn't have much to do last night so wasted the time botting the slide, you have known for a while that I test against the dreaded RNG as running it on a live wheel would take days to fail, and fail it will.
Joiner29 failed on a live wheel,
A live wheel is a live wheel is a live wheel or maybe the ball jockey has the initials of RNG
Yes, you've stated that numerous times, wonder why?
From here on as you know I only test against RNG so won't be botting anymore mirages and posting the results, fun doing it though but nobody likes the results it gets, I'll keep my nose out in future.
Yeah my mistake for printing that post in the first place. It might lose, so once again the only thing I need to find out is its win loss percentage PLAYED AS I ADVOCATE. TWO GAMES SHUT IT DOWN. I managed 642 consecutive wins playing as such for CODE 4. Had I been playing FIVE GAME sessions I would have lost *8 TIMES*. Theres the value of HIT AND RUN RIGHT THERE BAYES.
You will ABSOLUTELY cheat the law of averages and attain a bigger slice of the win/loss pie than continual play. THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THIS. My success is built on this foundation for more than seven years now. I couldnt win to save my life before I employed this strategy.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 05, 12:06 PM 2011
Hi JohnLegend,
I've implemented the excellent SLIDE idea into a CODE 4 revision and I think you'll find it interesting food for thought over at the code 4 thread. Anyhow, I would welcome your thoughts as seems working quite well. You would need to try it yourself probably... May the good fortune continue to roll on...
A.
I dont know Atlantis, Ill have Bayes and Superman calling me an even bigger shill and liar. If we are winning we are liars Atlantis.
QuoteYou will ABSOLUTLELY cheat the law of averages and attain a bigger slice of the win/loss pie than continual play. THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THIS. My success is built on this foundation for more than seven years now. I couldnt win to save my life before I employed this strategy.
Ok John. Rather than continual arguments, which are pointless, I would like to simulate what you consider to be your strongest system. I will:
- Use REAL spins from a wheel.
- Simulate "Hit and Run" by skipping a random number of spins before each attack (or according to what you think is best)
- Provide a detailed print-out of results so that no-one has to take my word for the outcome.
Does this seem acceptable to you? if so, let me know which system to test.
Hello all..........
The debate keeps rolling along........
JohnLegend.... you won 642 games played two by two ie two sets........
Viewed from a different angle you won 1284 sets....... :)
All anybody can say is amazing...........
Have a song for everybody, hope you all like it..........
Bill Frisell - What Do We Do (Live At Montreal Jazz Festival 2002).wmv copy past into youtube
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 05, 01:28 PM 2011
Ok John. Rather than continual arguments, which are pointless, I would like to simulate what you consider to be your strongest system. I will:
- Use REAL spins from a wheel.
- Simulate "Hit and Run" by skipping a random number of spins before each attack (or according to what you think is best)
- Provide a detailed print-out of results so that no-one has to take my word for the outcome.
Does this seem acceptable to you? if so, let me know which system to test.
Forget me Bayes, I'm not the only person on here with good methods. So I say go with AMKS CODE 4. I attained 642 consecutive wins playing TWO BY TWO.
Another member has won over 1,300 and STILL NOT LOST. So we must be both liars. So as far as I'm concerned CODE 4 is proven the best method on the forum at present. So go with CODE 4 since its not my baby.
I have nothing to gain from creditting its credentials. We owe great thanks to AMK. CODE 4...
Please keep in mind that CODE 4 is simple PATTERN 4 played with alternating dozens and columns.....
JohnLegends method just tweaked a little....... :)
Quote from: amk on Aug 05, 01:48 PM 2011
Please keep in mind that CODE 4 is simple PATTERN 4 played with alternating dozens and columns.....
JohnLegends method just tweaked a little....... :)
Yes AMK, but what a tweak. Thats the greatest tweak of ALLTIME.
Yeah! Hope my idea for amk's code 4 also hits good and is found worthy...
Nice sound, amk.
Here's my cool track, amk. Type in:
roy budd main theme diamonds
into Youtube. (AHHH... always makes me think of roulette that one)
A
Thanks JohnLegend...........
Bayes........for your test I would say "what will be will be"...........
With this I mean you can possibly win tremendously with a method such as waiting for 3 blacks or red in a row then using a 6 step progression played HIT AND RUN......
There are great methods and not so good methods however what will be will be...........
not sure i really want to get involved in this, but for what it's worth..
Pattern 4 - looks like i had the last post on that thread, it didn't really deliver anything unexpected in my results, but if it can be said to have been used as a springboard, fair enough.
code 4 - i tested it earlier on closer to when it first appeared, but that was only about a 150 games (as far as i remember it lost twice in the first 130 or so). it wasnt a big enough sample to print or go against some of the other claims, i didnt really fancy carrying on with it so i left it for others to continue.
i started again last week though after having read reply #392 on Code 4 clarifying how it was now being played (its quite easy to track at the beginning of sessions whilst doing other stuff) -
this is 1 weeks results:
5 sessions of 2 games a day, smartlive casino & willhill live dealers
50 games,
49 wins (lost on the 45th game)
total -36
step 1 wins-35
step 2 wins-10
step 3 wins-3
step 4 wins-1
..will carry on testing & can share weekly updates if requested..
the claim of 1300 wins for Code 4 could do with being expanded upon i think - they were made at the end of July, only about 7 weeks after Code 4 was first presented - thats about 27 or 28 games a day if it had been played right from the off - not consistent surely with hit and run..
thats my experience anyway, maybe others who have not previously posted could show their results (if any)..
if i had to say my basic feeling though, it's that no bet selection can turn basically a 4-step grand martingale into a long-term winner, hit and run or otherwise.
but good luck to all anyway!
QuoteTWO BY TWO
John can you explain the above to me, you know, believe it or not, I think both Bayes and myself are looking for the same thing as everyone else here, speaking just for myself, I am looking for bottable methods that last, hit n run can be coded too, the only problem with hit n run in code is for how long does it wait to start a new attack, it can be a random number of spins no problem, but between how long and how long? if you are at a live wheel what difference is there between waiting 5 minutes or a day, there is no difference in my opinion, so what's your take on that?
I hope you'll answer those 2 questions, so I can test it exactly as you play progression wise and as near as possible to spin gaps as can be.
If you look at my results, had I played win 2 and run, that's a lot of win 2 and runs which would probably cover days at your pace, if you play 1 session a day that is, anyway, let's all move forward, we all know where we stand with each other, we're all chasing the same result.
Quote5 sessions of 2 games a day, smartlive casino & willhill live dealers
50 games,
49 wins (lost on the 45th game)
total -36
step 1 wins-35
step 2 wins-10
step 3 wins-3
step 4 wins-1
..will carry on testing & can share weekly updates if requested..
the claim of 1300 wins for Code 4 could do with being expanded upon I think - they were made at the end of July, only about 7 weeks after Code 4 was first presented - that's about 27 or 28 games a day if it had been played right from the off - not consistent surely with hit and run..
that's my experience anyway, maybe others who have not previously posted could show their results (if any)..
if I had to say my basic feeling though, it's that no bet selection can turn basically a 4-step grand martingale into a long-term winner, hit and run or otherwise.
but good luck to all anyway!
Thanks Monaco, an honest post, everyone needs to see others results, I think some just bloat their results for self image (I don't know off hand who had the 1300) nobody wants be known as a loser and others enjoy the congrats attention, we're all different!
Well JL,
First time here....just to say those maths guys are talking
true.......no method or system will work on 1000000.....but
what they don't know is that some of these methods work
on daily basis play,and they can not know this if not playing
on such basis...but only testing,testing mill.of spins believing
nothing works.They are after a bot method that would beat
rng BV...so they can sit back and watch how theirs bank account
is rising up.One must play to find out the truth...and the truth is
there are several methods/for int.3 out of 9 versions PCWB/
with which I'm winning constantly on the daily basis rules.
That's why I state here that you know what you are about.
Quoteon the daily basis rules
What rule do you follow? how many spins have passed, does the table sleep for x hours, do they close, what is your rule F_LAT_INO
Quote from: superman on Aug 05, 02:38 PM 2011
John can you explain the above to me, you know, believe it or not, I think both Bayes and myself are looking for the same thing as everyone else here, speaking just for myself, I am looking for bottable methods that last, hit n run can be coded too, the only problem with hit n run in code is for how long does it wait to start a new attack, it can be a random number of spins no problem, but between how long and how long? if you are at a live wheel what difference is there between waiting 5 minutes or a day, there is no difference in my opinion, so what's your take on that?
I hope you'll answer those 2 questions, so I can test it exactly as you play progression wise and as near as possible to spin gaps as can be.
If you look at my results, had I played win 2 and run, that's a lot of win 2 and runs which would probably cover days at your pace, if you play 1 session a day that is, anyway, let's all move forward, we all know where we stand with each other, we're all chasing the same result.
Thanks Monaco, an honest post, everyone needs to see others results, I think some just bloat their results for self image (I don't know off hand who had the 1300) nobody wants be known as a loser and others enjoy the congrats attention, we're all different!
Its not possible to explain why it works, it just does. Its also not possible to convince a mindset that needs math based explanations for everything.
THINK for a moment. Do you really think its not possible to fall between losses more than on them. By randomly entering the cycle? that's all there is to it.
If it hadnt worked for me I'm not going to come on a forum and push it. And the bigger the paper odds the greater the potential. PATTERN BREAKER has paper odds of 7/1 but played HIT AND RUN I have consistently achieved double that.
CODE 4 has paper odds of 80/1 And I just hit 642 straight wins.
PAPER ODDS OF 242? Yes you could lose on your very first go. Then not again for 1,000 games. that's THE POINT. You are entering the cycle randomly. LOSSES ARE OCCURING whether you, me or Atlantis are playing or not.
I am simply documenting my performance/results. If there were an easier faster way Id be there. What I do simply works. I'm not gaining anything from coming on here and sharing this Superman.
In fact I'm at a point of stepping back. I've got serious money to make for next year. At the end of the day you overestimate this all anyway.
If this forum has 10,000 plus members. Not even 50 of them are playing any of these methods. I understand human nature. I'm no fool Superman.
People are fickle, and never more so than when they are literally handed a goldmine. We are all brought up to believe nobody outside of your family gives you anything of value for free in this world.
So theres inherent mistrust and doubt from the get go towards any world beating method offered up on this or any forum.
TWO BY TWO simply means I play for two wins a session. THEN SHUT IT DOWN.
To illustrate the worth had I played even FIVE BY FIVE for CODE 4. I would have lost 8x 80 units. Or basicaly BROKEN EVEN.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 05, 03:00 PM 2011
Well JL,
First time here....just to say those maths guys are talking
true.......no method or system will work on 1000000.....but
what they don't know is that some of these methods work
on daily basis play,and they can not know this if not playing
on such basis...but only testing,testing mill.of spins believing
nothing works.They are after a bot method that would beat
rng BV...so they can sit back and watch how theirs bank account
is rising up.One must play to find out the truth...and the truth is
there are several methods/for int.3 out of 9 versions PCWB/
with which I'm winning constantly on the daily basis rules.
That's why I state here that you know what you are about.
Thankyou for your input Flatino, Its hard for them to dissect the difference, I understand that. But maybe me only entering the cycle ten times a day plays a part.
QuoteDo you really think its not possible to fall between losses more than on them. By randomly entering the cycle
No I don't, I agree with it 100% it is possible.
QuoteIts hard for them to dissect the difference
See above.
QuoteBut maybe me only entering the cycle ten times a day plays a part
There's part of an answer, so if a wheel spins 500 times a day you play every 50 spins or so, so the wheel you play, how many spins per day does it get? on average of course
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 05, 03:00 PM 2011
Well JL,
First time here....just to say those maths guys are talking
true.......no method or system will work on 1000000.....but
what they don't know is that some of these methods work
on daily basis play,and they can not know this if not playing
on such basis...but only testing,testing mill.of spins believing
nothing works.They are after a bot method that would beat
rng BV...so they can sit back and watch how theirs bank account
is rising up.
Where did I say that no system will work over 1 M spins? you're also ASSUMING that I don't play on a daily basis. Also, I object to being called a "math guy". I might use maths, but I'm not dogmatic about it like some of the advantage players I could mention (like Herb). They insist that you could get 100 reds in a row, (and this is RANDOM) but at the same time take it that a certain number of standard deviations from the mean tells you there is a bias! They want it both ways.
FYI, I DO play on a regular basis - a couple of hours every weekday, and I don't use any particular systems exclusively, rather I mix 'n' match various bet selections and progressions. It's a grind, but I'm doing ok thanks.
Also, I've seen several systems (and coded a couple) that have won over a million spins. So it can be done. In the meantime, I play a combination of "losing" systems, and that has served me pretty well so far.
Quote from: superman on Aug 05, 03:23 PM 2011
No I don't, I agree with it 100% it is possible.
See above.
There's part of an answer, so if a wheel spins 500 times a day you play every 50 spins or so, so the wheel you play, how many spins per day does it get? on average of course
Online Superman, the wheels spin 24/7
About 50 spins per hour.
Why wont you answer, how often do you play your 2 win attacks?
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 05, 12:15 PM 2011
Isn't that the point? what is the "RIGHT way"?
what ever makes you money.
BAYES
""I DO play on a regular basis - a couple of hours every weekday, and I don't use any particular systems exclusively, rather I mix 'n' match various bet selections and progressions. It's a grind, but I'm doing ok thanks.
Also, I've seen several systems (and coded a couple) that have won over a million spins. So it can be done. In the meantime, I play a combination of "losing" systems, and that has served me pretty well so far.""
I think we are finally getting somewhere...........
Ladies and gentlemen, the methods that we have before us are the best roulette has ever seen....
I think we, as the great players would say, should only play several methods per day HIT AND RUN.........
JohnLegend has been kind enough to inform us of his winning streaks for his first games played of the day..........
Just play 5 methods per day and watch the winning streaks...........
P.S.
Bayes you have 642 posts, JohnLegends win streak for CODE 4 was 647....... :)
Quote from: superman on Aug 05, 04:09 PM 2011
Why won't you answer, how often do you play your 2 win attacks?
I play them whenever I want Superman that's the point. I typically rise 6am in the morning. So I might play my first session early. Then another one 30 minutes later. Then go about my business have breakfast. And play the third session 2 hours later. There is no set time.
The only set rule is there must be no more than 2 games in a session. You are closing the door on random fast. And the reason I know it works is because (especially for CODE 4) I always recorded 5 games every session. Even though I only played the first 2. Now if I had played all 5 up to this day. I would have 8 losses for CODE 4 instead of 1.
Its the same with PATTERN BREAKER and DIVIDE AND CONQUER. Played continually. I cannot break beyond 7/1-----8/1. Play HIT AND RUN. I consistently achieve 12/1---15/1 for Pattern Breaker. And 10/1---12/1 for Divide and Conquer. that's all the proof I need. Although Pattern Breakers GOLDEN NUGGET. Isnt so much its strikerate rather its SINGLE LOSS CONSISTENCY.
I have NEVER lost two consecutive games in 3 years and several thousand games. And now that I play HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN SIMULTANEOUSLY. That is even less likely to ever happen. What that means is yes it will lose. But I have the confidence to recover over half the loss in the VERY NEXT GAME. This is what Bayes doesn't take onboard.
Its not simply about overcoming the progression. Its about finding the consistent powerpoint of your method. I always used to hear gamblers talk of this so called DOWNTURN in fortune. When you would hit a losing streak of several losses that would wipe out your entire BR.
Well Bayes, Superman. Are you telling me a method for only 7 units risk that doesn't lose twice, or if it does is so rare its of no significance. HAS NO MERIT? Revise that chain of thought Bayes. I would never fawn over a method and push it if I wasn't aware of its power.
I recognised the value of AMKS CODE 4 immediately. And it has far surpassed my expectations. I would be happy with 160/1 Its delivering far in excess of that.
And I am sure THE MATRIX SLIDE will do at least 160/1 PLAYED TWO BY TWO. Its almost there already. A good method APPLIED PROPERLY, DEFEATS ROULETTE EVERYTIME.
You think outside of the layout, and INSIDE THE MATRIX. When I observe these idiots who cry fix, magnets must be under the wheel, because they saw the ball hit the same dozen 10 times. Or the same even chance 18 times. I don't have to wonder why the mainstream will never dent this game. Its a specialist endeavour that only the few with the right tools will ever conquer consistently.
GOOD METHOD
SUPREME MONEY MANAGEMENT
DISCIPLINED MINDSET
Any of those three missing. Forget it you don't win over the long haul. Take up checkers and hope your numbers drop in your National Lottery....
Hello JohnLegend,
It might be interesting to record PATTERN BREAKER for dozens and columns while you are playing PATTERN BREAKER for H/L O/E......
Quote from: amk on Aug 05, 08:35 PM 2011
Hello JohnLegend,
It might be interesting to record PATTERN BREAKER for dozens and columns while you are playing PATTERN BREAKER for H/L O/E......
Mmm, sounds like a plan AMK. Give me an example of how you would execute it...
Quote from: warrior on Aug 05, 05:10 PM 2011
what ever makes you money.
That's just playing with words. "what ever makes you money" is the "right way" and the "right way" is "what ever makes you money". It says nothing about how to play or why it should work.
hi i dont think the question is why it should work, the thing is if it works for any individual person let them carry on and be profitable. I lost but that was always going to happen sometime JL tells everybody this
tom
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 06, 03:03 AM 2011
That's just playing with words. "what ever makes you money" is the "right way" and the "right way" is "what ever makes you money". It says nothing about how to play or why it should work.
Bayes are you playing a system at the moment?and are you making money at it? i think you said you had a method that won on something like a million spins and it beat it ,so what is the problem?
Quote from: warrior on Aug 06, 07:50 AM 2011
Bayes are you playing a system at the moment?and are you making money at it? I think you said you had a method that won on something like a million spins and it beat it ,so what is the problem?
Warrior, the question is. Why aren't we seeing this world beater? Bayes says every method I use on this forum is nonsense. While at the same time he sits on a HOLY ONE. Baffles the mind Warrior it really does.
QuoteBaffles the mind Warrior it really does
The way Bayes is playing cannot be tracked with pretty little formed sequences, so yes, it would baffle your mind, if your eye candy works for you, keep going with it guys.
From another thread
c 2 a 2
2 c 1 c
a 3 c 2
3 b 2 c - L 1-1@ col4 (c-c-c-c) Now bet against c forming a reverse diagonal...
a 3 a 1 - W 3-3 @col3 (c-c-c-c-a)
1 a 1 b
b 3 a 2
QuoteMaybe a grail like method in itself
And when that fails add a new leg to it? it's good to see though, it means someone hit a loss so decided to add/morph from the original, we can see from the poll that most here don't think your methods are any better than anything else, which proves a good point, the odds are the same no matter what trigger makes your decision. It's the hype you provide along with your methods that causes some to disagree with you, and because you have 1 or 2 people desperalty chasing historical patterns (I nearly typed hIsterical) you feel the need to defend.
SLIDE:
Playing Matix SLIDE is like playing Matrix with wider matrix size. (fact)
In MST you have implemented Matrix Turbo! with 5 different matrix sizes (3-7).
The only difference between them is that they are "winning" on different ocasions.
Hit rate or avrage result is not changing.
QuoteHit rate or avrage result is not changing
It's all doom and gloom from you today mate ;D
Quote from: superman on Aug 07, 08:05 AM 2011
It's all doom and gloom from you today mate ;D
No doom and gloom at all. THE MATRIX slide has now more than doubled its progression. Atlantis's brilliant idea to go against a reverse slide. hasn't produced a single loss looking back over more than 200 recorded results.
And Pattern Breaker hasn't shown me a single back to back loss in over three years. If that's doom and gloom long may it continue...
P.s And I will tell you ALL right now, Atlantis may have made the greatest MATRIX RELATED DISCOVERY EVER. It only takes *26* Units to play against a REVERSE CODE SLIDER. And I can't find one in 213 recorded results.
That's something SERIOUS.
Quote from: superman on Aug 07, 07:53 AM 2011
c 2 a 2
2 c 1 c
a 3 c 2
3 b 2 c - L 1-1@ col4 (c-c-c-c) Now bet against c forming a reverse diagonal...
a 3 a 1 - W 3-3 @col3 (c-c-c-c-a)
1 a 1 b
b 3 a 2
And when that fails add a new leg to it? it's good to see though, it means someone hit a loss so decided to add/morph from the original, we can see from the poll that most here don't think your methods are any better than anything else, which proves a good point, the odds are the same no matter what trigger makes your decision. It's the hype you provide along with your methods that causes some to disagree with you, and because you have 1 or 2 people desperalty chasing historical patterns (I nearly typed hIsterical) you feel the need to defend.
JL is right.
Superman, that session snippet is not showing the full picture...
I was just showing how to optionally continue to play on the reverse SLIDE for quicker recoup on a losing QUAD instead of waiting for the next diagonal triple to form before playing against the diagonal quad occurring within a CODE 4 style MATRIX. The full session ended with an expected profit (see code 4 thread)
Yes losses will occur - but can random hit you with 4 of these in a row? Within this sort of mixed doz/col matrix? And playing hit 'n' run?
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Aug 07, 08:36 AM 2011
JL is right.
Superman, that session snippet is not showing the full picture...
I was just showing how to optionally continue to play on the reverse SLIDE for quicker recoup on a losing QUAD instead of waiting for the next diagonal triple to form before playing against the diagonal quad occurring within a CODE 4 style MATRIX. The full session ended with an expected profit (see code 4 thread)
Yes losses will occur - but can random hit you with 4 of these in a row? Within this sort of mixed doz/col matrix? And playing hit 'n' run?
A.
Not in any hurry Atlantis. I am thinking of waiting for A slide to form. Then betting against it producing the reverse. I have a staggering 213 unplayed winners in my results. And for a 26 unit risk. This is some discovery Youve made here Atlantis. It really is.
Quotecan random hit you with 4 of these in a row?
Of course it can.
QuoteWithin this sort of mixed doz/col matrix?
I believe it can, and so do others.
QuoteAnd playing hit 'n' run?
As hit n run is the grey area, you 'could' be lucky for a long time, a very long time indeed BUT knowing that it can arrive is all some of us need to know and that's all we are saying, if he didn't hype these picture methods the discussions wouldn't get so argumentative but he can't see the woods for the trees.
Ask yourself this, if he has been playing for many many years with his 'trusted' fail safe methods, then why does he keep bringing new ones to the forum? the answer is they fail eventually and he losses so invents a new one, let's face it, he's the luckiest bloke on the planet, someone has to be why not him?
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I am thinking of waiting for A slide to form. Then betting against it producing the reverse. I have a staggering 213 unplayed winners in my results. And for a 26 unit risk.
Wow! OK. I see. If it's a rare enough event, Yes - it could be very strong. :)
A.
Quote from: superman on Aug 07, 08:47 AM 2011
Of course it can.
I believe it can, and so do others.
As hit n run is the grey area, you 'could' be lucky for a long time, a very long time indeed BUT knowing that it can arrive is all some of us need to know and that's all we are saying, if he didn't hype these picture methods the discussions wouldn't get so argumentative but he can't see the woods for the trees.
Ask yourself this, if he has been playing for many many years with his 'trusted' fail safe methods, then why does he keep bringing new ones to the forum? the answer is they fail eventually and he losses so invents a new one, let's face it, he's the luckiest bloke on the planet, someone has to be why not him?
Theres no such thing as luck Superman. ITS TIMING and nothing else.
You are getting tit for tat now. I don't abandon my methods and move to the next, I've been playing PATTERN BREAKER for three and a half years. And for a 7 unit buy in and scarceness of double losses. Its a method I will use for the rest of my life. At the same time there is always room for improvement. So don't try to bring feeble excuses as to why I keep pushing for perfection.
You are not taking so much onboard Here, overcoming your inherent scepticism will be a lot harder than overcoming randoms ebb and flow for any of us...
To be skeptical is ok it is what protects us in this world,to be cynical well i really have no time for people like this ,to superman and bayes if you 2 love birds have nothing good to say fly away i have seen nothing good come out of you both, if you want to share anything please do ,if you want to save the world in 60 min. spend 55 min on the problem and 5 mins on the rest ,and show all of us how to play ROULETTE.
QuoteITS TIMING and nothing else
So, how do you know if the time is right? I'm not tit for tating, just reiterating what's going on. If it's timing then surely luck plays a BIG part in that, if your timing was out you could hit 4 losses a day forever, that's the point we/I are trying to make.
We can't approach a table if there is no clue as to when the time is right as we will only know AFTER the crash if the timing was right or wrong, so please, justify TIMING as it's this hit n run thing that's the real issue NOT the methods.
QuoteI've been playing PATTERN BREAKER for three and a half years
Very similar to what you said about the zone, hype again I think.
Quote from: superman on Aug 07, 09:27 AM 2011
So, how do you know if the time is right? I'm not tit for tating, just reiterating what's going on. If it's timing then surely luck plays a BIG part in that, if your timing was out you could hit 4 losses a day forever, that's the point we/I are trying to make.
We can't approach a table if there is no clue as to when the time is right as we will only know AFTER the crash if the timing was right or wrong, so please, justify TIMING as it's this hit n run thing that's the real issue NOT the methods.
Very similar to what you said about the zone, hype again I think.
Superman step back, you have it in for me I realize that. Im not going to labour over this with you. If you dont get it, you dont get it.
As Warrior says you and Bayes are the negatives against our positives. You already believe nothing works so theres nothing to add.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 07, 09:47 AM 2011
Superman step back, you have it in for me I realize that. I'm not going to labour over this with you. If you don't get it, you don't get it.
As Warrior says you and Bayes are the negatives against our positives. You already believe nothing works so theres nothing to add.
In My Humble Opinion you have provoked it by your Grail claims... This is where it all started. And now you won't admit that those claim were simply not true.
Only thing they trying to say is that your method isint any better/worst than any other method.
And if IT IS working for YOU then <bravo>. But there are only couple of other people with results which inditate that this method is worth risking money.
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And regarding your statistics of Win/Lose ratio... well any results that can't be reproduced by anyone else are simply False and shoudnt be taken as indicator of "How good is the method"
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About "hit and run"... any method is good if your "timing" is good... this is nothing new.
You can simply go and bet red for 10 spins... if your "timing" is good then you will win.
Any method will win this way.
And if your method is winning ONLY when TIME is right.... then... oh well... its as "good" as betting red for 10 spins.
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I'm sorry if I have offended anyone with this post.
QuoteIn My Humble Opinion you have provoked it by your Grail claims... This is where it all started. And now you won't admit that those claim were simply not true
Exactly, I don't 'have it in' for anyone! the fact is, YOUR so called grail methods only work in your timezone which is something you wont share, even with your followers.
I'm not looking for an argument but I want to state my experience with JL's methods as part of a balanced view.
I've played them all, at first the zone with real money and got stung. Then I tested the current methods and could not replicate the success of others and I did test exactly as the methods require.
My conclusion is that luck plays a big part. If you get off to a flying start and build up winnings that survive the downturns I can see that would give the confidence to continue. Not my experience I'm afraid.
Maybe I'm one of those unlucky* people. Maybe if I carried on I would come to the good times. I've no idea. There must be others with similar results that just don't post.
*On a more positive note I do have my share of luck playing other methods.
I wish good luck to everyone whatever your chosen route.
Robert
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 07, 08:45 AM 2011
Not in any hurry Atlantis. I am thinking of waiting for A slide to form. Then betting against it producing the reverse. I have a staggering 213 unplayed winners in my results. And for a 26 unit risk. This is some discovery Youve made here Atlantis. It really is.
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"This is some discovery Youve made here Atlantis. It really is."
wow, just played consecutively 200 lines, code 4 style. Not against any quad formation but just against the corresponding doz/col...
*1 loss and due to zero.
*+96u profit
vundarosa
@atlantis & JL
this is how i'm testing it
I did not play a slide if a zero was involved.
Betting both right and left slides
right left
3 A 2 C
1 0 1 B
3 C 2 A
1 B 2 B first 12 spins
2 C 3 A l1 col2 w col3
3 B 3 C w col3
3 C 2 B
1 C 3 A w col2 l1 col3
3 A 2 B w col2
1 C 1 B
3 B 1 C w w
3 A 1 C
2 A 2 B
3 C 1 A w l1
0 A 3 A w
2 C 1 C
1 B 3 A w l1
1 B 2 C w
3 C 1 C
vundarosa
Quote from: warrior on Aug 06, 07:50 AM 2011
Bayes are you playing a system at the moment?and are you making money at it? I think you said you had a method that won on something like a million spins and it beat it ,so what is the problem?
As I said in that post, I never play what you'd call a 'system' for very long, if at all. My bet selection is based on standard deviations and the MM is variable.
I said I have coded and tested methods which have won over large numbers of spins (1M+) , but they would be impractical to play because the profits are too small and the drawdowns too large. I was replying to FLAT who said no system will win over a million spins.
The thing is John, you are touting these systems as impregnable, and imply that they can be played indefinitely (albeit in a 'hit and run' way) with virtually no risk. Tone down the hype, that's all we ask.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 07, 09:02 AM 2011
Theres no such thing as luck Superman. ITS TIMING and nothing else.
Wow! this is new, so it's TIMING?
Why did you never mention this before? you have always said your entry into the game is RANDOM. What gives?
Quote from: trebor on Aug 07, 11:20 AM 2011
I'm not looking for an argument but I want to state my experience with JL's methods as part of a balanced view.
I've played them all, at first the zone with real money and got stung. Then I tested the current methods and could not replicate the success of others and I did test exactly as the methods require.
My conclusion is that luck plays a big part. If you get off to a flying start and build up winnings that survive the downturns I can see that would give the confidence to continue. Not my experience I'm afraid.
Maybe I'm one of those unlucky* people. Maybe if I carried on I would come to the good times. I've no idea. There must be others with similar results that just don't post.
*On a more positive note I do have my share of luck playing other methods.
I wish good luck to everyone whatever your chosen route.
Robert
Thanks for the feedback Robert.
By the way, not criticising, but there's no need to justify your post by appealing to a balanced view. Forget political correctness or worrying about causing arguments - the TRUTH is more important.
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 07, 12:28 PM 2011
Thanks for the feedback Robert.
By the way, not criticising, but there's no need to justify your post by appealing to a balanced view. Forget political correctness or worrying about causing arguments - the TRUTH is more important.
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As I said in your poll thread, what's enticing about JL's methods is the BR required. Other systems that perform to the same standard require much bigger wallets...ok, so they are not "holy grails", but they aren't garbage either! And the small BR requirement is not something to be taken that lightly...small BR means bigger unit value...and even if you'd have but 1u profit in 10 sections played, a big enough unit value would make the whole enterprise quite worthwhile.
and this is also TRUE
vundarosa
vundarosa,
I didn't say that John's systems were garbage, only that there doesn't seem to be much evidence for the claims he makes of them. trebor has told us his results and it contributes to the overall picture.
Quote from: superman on Aug 07, 10:17 AM 2011
Exactly, I don't 'have it in' for anyone! the fact is, YOUR so called grail methods only work in your timezone which is something you won't share, even with your followers.
What are you talking about follower? What am I the messiah?
Number one I never said any method is a definate grail. I said The matrix slide is looking grail like. As for the time zone. There is no such thing. And am I the only person on here who is winning. Please anwser that.
I have told you a few times now HIT AND RUN works. Simply because you will fall BETWEEN LOSSES MORE THAN CONTINUOS PLAY. Read that over and over Superman and it might sink in
We just dont know how good a method is until weve tested it thoroughly on real spins. You dont have to be a genius to figure out that if something has paper odds of 80/1. And you can attain several hundred wins to every loss you have a WINNING METHOD.
And I will state this with absolute assurance. PLAYING AGAINTS THE LAYOUT, will never match or outperform, PATTERN BREAKER, CODE 4 or anyother good method on here.
You are doing your best to nonsense all the methods I endorse. It would be BETTER if you actually played them properly. And see for yourself. Know why they succeed. The way you jump over any good idea is deplorable. How do you know for example Atlantis's Reverse slide isnt going to be another achilles heel for our friend Random?
You don't, CODE 4 gave me 642 straight wins. Two other members broke the 1,000 barrier. But I am making this all up. A few weeks ago I made a 63 unit progression yield four times that strikerate for a six step E/C code. But I must be lying again. Because it would croak on your bot precisely after 63 wins.
Manmade simulators have you mixed up Superman. They are no more reliable than an RNG. The guy who lost his very first game on CODE 4 Robeenhutt. Then went on to win over 200 games last count. I dont claim you WILL NEVER LOSE.
I claim if you play as I do you will PROFIT over the long Haul. And you WILL.
Quote from: vundarosa on Aug 07, 11:53 AM 2011
@atlantis & JL
this is how i'm testing it
I did not play a slide if a zero was involved.
Betting both right and left slides
right left
3 A 2 C
1 0 1 B
3 C 2 A
1 B 2 B first 12 spins
2 C 3 A l1 col2 w col3
3 B 3 C w col3
3 C 2 B
1 C 3 A w col2 l1 col3
3 A 2 B w col2
1 C 1 B
3 B 1 C w w
3 A 1 C
2 A 2 B
3 C 1 A w l1
0 A 3 A w
2 C 1 C
1 B 3 A w l1
1 B 2 C w
3 C 1 C
vundarosa
Nice work Vundarosa, but you better start losing before they acuse you of being a big liar too.
96 units
:)
Bayes..........
Surely a great mind such as yours realizes when there is merit to a method.........
QuoteThe guy who lost his very first game on CODE 4 Robeenhutt. Then went on to win over 200 games last count
That's lucky!
QuoteBut I must be lying again
I don't think you lie, but it's not the inflated/fluffed up/over exagerated/hyped up grail claims of the method/s that is winning, it's TIMING which equates to luck, as Ophis said yesterday, if your TIMING is good you can just play red/black for 2 attacks and run.
So either we ALL get to grips with TIMING or we lose with bad TIMING.
John needs to clarify what he means by TIMING. If timing is random, it can mean nothing more than luck.
Quote from: amk on Aug 07, 08:02 PM 2011
Bayes..........
Surely a great mind such as yours realizes when there is merit to a method.........
Can't work out whether you're being sarcastic... ???
Anyway, I need your input in this (link:://rouletteforum.cc/testing-zone/testing-code-4/15/) thread. Cheers. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 08, 05:07 AM 2011
John needs to clarify what he means by TIMING. If timing is random, it can mean nothing more than luck.
The whole concept of HIT AND RUN is about timing. Unlike Supermans tangent of thought. Its not timing made by you. Its simply the fact you are landing between losing games more than on them.
By executing short bursts of play. And the bigger the paper odds the bigger the potential.
So when I say timing its not a decision made by you. Its the positive by product of you as a player, having the patience to WAIT for your profit.
I can't even begin to tell you how wrong both you and Superman are about there being no difference between playing the layout straight or a smart matrix method. Do you honestly think for example the player playing against four consecutive dozens forming after there have been two in a row.
Is the equivalent of someone playing CODE 4?
I have seen players lose THREE TIMES IN A ROW. Playing against the layout in this fashion. Why do you think I would go to all this effort. If it were that easy to tame random.
Atlantis's brilliant idea to bet against a reverse slide. Is looking like the best investment you will ever make for 26 units. The strikerate will be 150/1 minumum by the look of it.
You learn what works and what doesn't. Pattern Breaker is the best method. I have yet seen for a mere 7 unit buy in. If someone brings a better method for that investment. I will be there.
CODE 4 is continuing to deliver the wins consistently. As is THE MATRIX SLIDE. Still my fourth step is unchallenged. And as for the REVERSE SLIDE. I will hype something when it is that good.
So the bottom line don't get all jittery and worried because your precious maths theories look to be as flawed as I've perceived for some time now. The crux of the matter is random struggles with the MATRIX. The reverse slide is seriously pushing it to the limit. It will never show negative figures played in short bursts.
My experience tells me this already...
RESULTS UPDATE FOR THE MATRIX SLIDE FOR 11/08/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 210
TOTAL GAMES WON 210
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 420 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 117
STEP 2 WINS 64
STEP 3 WINS 28
STEP 4 WINS 1
Performing VERY consistently its taken 204 games to push me to the fourth step. And I am approaching 3 completed progressions in winnings.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Aug 11, 06:02 PM 2011
RESULTS UPDATE FOR THE MATRIX SLIDE FOR 11/08/2011
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 210
TOTAL GAMES WON 210
TOTAL GAMES LOST ZERO
STRIKERATE 100%
BALANCE 420 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 117
STEP 2 WINS 64
STEP 3 WINS 28
STEP 4 WINS 1
Performing VERY consistently its taken 204 games to push me to the fourth step. And I am approaching 3 completed progressions in winnings.
Dear JL,are u playing hit n run on this system,how many sessions do u play?is it the same for 5 sessions a day?
Quote from: viclimks on Aug 11, 09:48 PM 2011
Dear JL,are u playing hit n run on this system,how many sessions do u play?is it the same for 5 sessions a day?
Always Hit and Run Viclimks. A good method becomes a great method when you apply short bursts of play. Random is chasing its tail. I am testing three methods at the same time currently. THE MATRIX SLIDE,THE REVERSE SLIDE and Kattilas outstanding PYRAMID MATRIX. And I am very impressed with the REVERSE SLIDE. And PYRAMID MATRIX. Applied hit and run. You will always beat this game. They present too much for random to deal with. Way too much.
Slingshot roulette.... the manufacturer states that wheel speed can be changed after "no more bets" announcement...and some one says that there is a random jet of air may blow the ball from its target slot... Then how can any one predict the winning slot ? any answers ?
:twisted:
Quote from: chewmchew on Jun 26, 07:54 AM 2012
Slingshot roulette.... the manufacturer states that wheel speed can be changed after "no more bets" announcement...and some one says that there is a random jet of air may blow the ball from its target slot... Then how can any one predict the winning slot ? any answers ?
:twisted:
You cant, forget this VB nonsense. Its for dreamers. Play a good method with tight money management. And solid self discipline and you can beat this game longterm. All the rest is fools gold.
WELL WELL WELL
where have i seen THIS before
I find myself on both sides of this debate.
1) I find this Matrix Slide system intriguing
I actually programmed a scanner for it so all I have to do is enter the spin results and it will tell me when to bet. So far I am at 100% win rate.
2) The real way to prove the validity of this system is to test it vs. random.
Even though I am intrigued by this system, I suspect it won't differ from random and win streaks are based on the .65 win chance per bet.
I will try to logically analyze the system by how I know roulette works:
The driving force behind roulette is numbered slots and the force of equal distribution; all color, column, dozen odd/even results are driven by the force of the numbered slots only. This system analyzes the order of spin results going back 7 spins of history (from the bottom to top corner is 7 spins). In order for the system to work, the last 7 spin results must relate to the expected spin result when not configured into a matrix grid (that alone is highly questionable) but even more incredibly, the results must be related when inside this arbitrary grid. The grid pattern is another way of saying Spin #1, 7 spins ago, Spin #2, 3 spins ago & Spin #3, the last spin of analysis which occurred 3 spins from the spin that is about to take place -- if all of these spins are the same then the expected result will not be the same but if it is not twice or at least not thrice or at least extremely rarely not four times. My experience with the force of equal distribution has a spin range between 20 to around 200 spins or so. There just isn't enough force behind 3 spins to properly conclude anything even if they are analyzed out of order (in this case, its every third spin). In my informed estimation, the only way to properly analyze potential column results would need to revolve around the equal distribution of the numbered slots contained in the columns this concept simply cannot relate in a consistent systematic way to analyzing the history 2 spins back of every 3rd spin -- the data sample is just woefully incomplete and it might as well be a shot in the dark. The force of equal distribution simply doesn't care about every 3rd spin back 3 spins and there are 12 slots in a column anyway.
Regardless of how much this system intrigues me, it simply is nothing more than a systematic superstition.
I love the phrase "force of equal distribution".
Perhaps we should listen to this person.
Unless he goes away....
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 08, 11:58 AM 2015
I love the phrase "force of equal distribution".
Perhaps we should listen to this person.
Unless he goes away....
.....be careful. Although Reyth is a very detailed and seemingly honest poster, he just finished 5 pages @ Roulette30 forum with pretty bad results on the Kavouras Bet. Nothing against Reyth, but he had extremely high expectations that were shattered very quickly. I'm always a bit wary of those who think they have found the answer right out of the gate.
Thank you, Mr. Law, but are we sure he's right out of the gate. He may be in the stretch.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 08, 03:18 PM 2015
Thank you, Mr. Law, but are we sure he's right out of the gate. He may be in the stretch.
Nope-he says it himself in his first posts on Roulette30; he's a newbie.
.......but like I said, he is very meticulous, so although he's going to have his heart broken many times on these boards, he may eventually find something useful.
I'm guessing that his next phase is going through all of the old systems; let's just hope he doesn't find a new guru named "John Legend"! :)
Ah........
I'm not on Roulette30. OK, he's new to the fray.
He makes a point made by R. D. Ellison in his book about "statistical pressure" to even out. But in 37,000 spins you will never see 1,000 of each number. Still, there is a "will" to catch up or slow down by the numbers. This is caused by the force of equal distribution or statistical pressure or the will to conform to the norm--whatever.
If he finds John, he'll get lost in a matrix and we'll never hear from him again!
TwoCat
Quote from: thelaw on May 08, 12:58 PM 2015
.....be careful. Although Reyth is a very detailed and seemingly honest poster, he just finished 5 pages @ Roulette30 forum with pretty bad results on the Kavouras Bet. Nothing against Reyth, but he had extremely high expectations that were shattered very quickly. I'm always a bit wary of those who think they have found the answer right out of the gate.
Hey Law! Actually I think the grail is there, I truly do BUT my estimation of the frequency of VSL spins was far too low. Now, that I see this, I know I must approach it differently.
I mean hey, you're right, it takes experience and hard work to survive and thrive in the face of hard core random!