This bet selection helps find the dominant even chance and has an uncanny ability to provide winning sessions.
Pick a color and play that same color until you get behind 5 bets.
Once you are behind 5 bets, switch to the other color until you get behind 5 bets.
This method will fall on the dominant color and tend to stay there. If the dominant color changes, it will eventually follow suit.
This bet selection method handles chops and doubles very well.
Almost any even chance bet progression will work. D'Alembert, Labouchere, Pluscoup, +2/-2, fibo, and especially any of the even chance bet progressions I have posted.
Reset once you get back to even or +1.
Never bet more than necessary to reach +1.
Example: You are playing a simple D'Alembert progression (+1/-1). You have been winning and losing and you are down 8 units and you next bet is 12 units. Do not bet 12 units, instead, bet 9 units. A win will give you +1 and you can reset. Also, if you lose the 9 unit bet, you don't bet 13 units next, but 10 units. This helps keep bets lower.
Cheers,
George
I think I got it. Interesting!
Thanks GLC
That looks to be a nice twist and I can see where you are coming from, I think this is one I may look at further.
Mike
Hey GLC,
Have you tried this flat betting only?
Quote from: caddy on Aug 17, 05:53 PM 2011
Hey GLC,
Have you tried this flat betting only?
Sorry, I'm such a glutton for punishment that flat betting is the last bet method I try. :'(
I have been trying it with Oscar's Grind and it's doing pretty well. Actually, I've tried it with every negative progression I know with good results. So far it's been winning pretty easily.
I've been working on a new progression that's amazingly versatile. It's based on the idea of winning 3 in a row to fully recover previous losses. It may be very similar to one of Kattila's progressions. Or maybe it was someone elses. Please let me know if I'm stepping on anyone's toes. I always try to give credit where credit's due.
Here's the progression:
1-2-2-2-2-3-3-4-5-7-8-10-14-16-20-28-32-40-56-64-80
The way we play this progression is on a loss we move 1 step to the right.
On a win we continue to move 1 step to the right until we are back to even or +1.
The progression is designed so that 3 wins in a row will put us back on top. The nice thing is that if we win 1 or 2 bets and then have a loss so that we don't fully recover, we still take note of how many units we are down at this attack and we drop back at that bet level and continue.
Example: Let's say we have had a very bad run and are down -31 units and our next bet is 8 units. We win the 8 unit bet which puts us at -23. The next bet to the right of 8 is 10 which we bet and win which puts us at -13 units. Our next bet to the right of 10 is 14 units which if we win will put us at +1 and we can reset. But, let's say we lose the 14 unit bet. This puts us at -27 units. When we are down 27 units we should be at the 8 unit level on our progression, so our next bet is 8. Let's say we lose and are now down -35 units. Our next bet is 10 which we win and now we are -25. Our next bet is 14 which we win and are at -11 our next bet should be 16, but we only need to bet 12 to be +1. If we win, we reset. If we lose we will be at -23 and can start betting at the 7 unit level.
I know that's a complicated example, but if you read it while looking at the progression line, it will become very clear.
George
I don't know if this should be under Money Management, Bet Selection or Full Systems.
I have been playing on BV double zero demo mode and have won 7 sessions to +20 and never had to go above a 14 unit bet.
If any of you have a little extra time, you might find it interesting to play a couple of sessions to +20 just to see how it feels.
It would be interesting to see how long it takes for it to bust. At least interesting to me, maybe not to you. :-\
GLC
QuotePick a color and play that same color until you get behind 5 bets. Once you are behind 5 bets, switch to the other color until you get behind 5 bets.
You mean switch if that color is five units behind the other? Or do you check it every five spins and bet dominant color in previous five spins? Or you just switch color every five spins no matter what?
Quote from: mr.ore on Aug 18, 01:00 AM 2011
You mean switch if that color is five units behind the other? Or do you check it every five spins and bet dominant color in previous five spins? Or you just switch color every five spins no matter what?
I understand it this way: I pick a color (red for example) and I play it as long as I get 5 loses (no need to be sequential) and then I switch the color. Example:RRBRRRBBRRBRRRB (now I switch to black). ???
George,
Can you please post an example on how exactly you are playing...
thx
vundarosa
Well, I developed some version, it works like this:
we have a balance value and we play even chance with one unit bet (for tracking purposes):
even chance system:
human readable pseudocode:
GLC(stoploss, max_plus)
parameters: stoploss, max_plus
on reset: balance = 0, switch even chance to opposite one
as we play:
a) if balance > max_plus then balance = max_plus
so we does not allow balance value to be more than some maximal value
b) if balance <= stoploss then reset
example graph of GLC(stoploss=-10, max_plus=9) = GLC(-10,9) played on no zero roulette
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-8192/37 = -221, but profit is only 212, so it would not beat one-zero roulette, and it can also fail even on no zero roulette or even create losing situation and spiral down
The way I originally intended it to be played was to bet the same color until you got five more losses than wins on that color. Then you switch to the other color and play the same way until you are 5 losses behind on the new color keeping track from the point of the switch.
I'm not married to 5. We could use 4 or we could use 6 before switching. 5's kind of a happy medium and I notice that most of the time it keeps you on the side that's hitting the better of the two.
Here's a short demo:
Betting High:
HLLHLHLLLHLLL at this point we shift to betting L because we have had 5 more losses than wins.
LLHHLLL at this point we would have had 3 wins in a row and would reset to 1 unit still betting L.
H +1 = +1
L -1 = -1
L -2 = -3
H +2 = -1
L -2 = -3
H +2 = -1
L -2 = -3
L -2 = -5
L -3 = -8
H +3 = -5
L -4 = -9
L -5 = -14
L -7 = -21 Switch to betting Low because 5 more L's than H's
H -8 = -29
L +10 = -19
L +14 = -5
L +6 = +1 I didn't bet 16, which was the next bet in the progression, because I only bet enough to get back to +1. That way if I lose, I'm betting smaller units.
With the progression, 3 wins in a row always gets you back to at least +1. If you have been winning and losing a lot before hitting 3 in a row, you may have to adjust the 3rd bet if you're only playing until +1 on each attack.
If you're betting say 40 units and win and then win on 56 you might want to forgo betting 64 units per the progression, and instead drop back 96 units down the line to level 16 and give yourself some breathing room.
GLC
Still going strong on this little ditty.
Just played 3 more sessions to +20.
I'm using a modified martingale.
The first progression is based on recovering by winning 2 bets in a row.
1-1-1-2-2-4-4-8-8-16-16-32-32-64-64-128-128.
Every time you lose you have to win the next 2 bets to the right to recover. If you win and then lose the 2nd bet, you play those 2 bets again.
The second progression is based on recovering by winning 3 bets in a row.
1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-4-4-4-8-8-8-16-16-16-32-32-32-64-64-64-128-128-128.
The third progression is based on 4 bets in a row.
1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-4-4-4-4-8-8-8-8-16-16-16-16-32-32-32-32-64-64-64-64-128-128-128-128.
Just for fun?
Test the first one to +20 a few times. You'll be surprised how well it performs.
GLC
Thank you for explanation!
Hi George
I have played 5 sessions of this to 20 units win using the Carsch progression. Certainly nothing too scary yet. Thank you for sharing.
Quote from: Blood Angel on Aug 19, 04:26 AM 2011
Hi George
I have played 5 sessions of this to 20 units win using the Carsch progression. Certainly nothing too scary yet. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Blood Angel. I'm not touting this as any kind of grail, it just seems like the bet selection method keeps us from jumping around a lot and helps us stay on the dominant side. The methods that follow the patterns too closely seem to get caught in the scattered losing runs too often.
When you say the Carsch progression, do you mean the one where he repeats and then parlays then repeats then parlays etc...
GLC
No I know your not mate.. But it's an interesting thought.
I'll post a link to what I call the Carsch Progression when I get home ( not sure how to do it from the iPhone).
Hi George....as promised heres the link..
link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=76&forum=Blackjack_Message_Board (link:://:.gamblersglen.com/cgi-bin/teemz/teemz.cgi?board=_master&action=opentopic&topic=76&forum=Blackjack_Message_Board)
Quote from: GLC on Aug 17, 09:07 PM 2011
1-2-2-2-2-3-3-4-5-7-8-10-14-16-20-28-32-40-56-64-80
The way we play this progression is on a loss we move 1 step to the right.
On a win we continue to move 1 step to the right until we are back to even or +1.
I've just won 3 more sessions to +20 using the above progression. One of the sessions was hard fought in that it took 107 bets to reach +20. It usually takes about 60-80 or so bets. Even in the hard fought session I didn't have to bet higher than 16 units.
I'm winning so easily most of the time that I'm starting to expect to win every time I play.
That's usually when the big hammer falls.
We'll see.
GLC
My last session to +20 using the above progression that starts with 1-2-2-2-2-3-3 etc... was a real heart pounder. I finally reach +20, but I had to do it by winning the 80 unit bet.
I have tested a couple of sessions with my new favorite progression and it has held up nicely. It's my "Flatbet Parlay" method link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/flatbet-parlay-progression/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/flatbet-parlay-progression/)
Always start each attack with a bet of 1 unit. Let it ride until you have 5 parlays or you reach your win target. You can set your own maximum number of parlays. I use 5. The more you use, the harder it is to reach. I keep playing until I reach a new high. Sometimes you will go into the hole a ways and have to win a couple or more 5 step parlays close together to climb out, but once you get to your win target, you call it a day.
You can set 6 or 7 parlays. You may not get there often, but you may not need to.
GLC
great stuff as usual
Very nice, George. Always interesting reading. I'm going to give this one a go .....
played it yesterday live ,,worked very well for me so far
thanks george
Quote from: Tomla021 on Sep 07, 08:40 AM 2011
played it yesterday live ,,worked very well for me so far
thanks george
Glad to hear it. :thumbsup:
It would be interesting to test this with the different progressions suggested till now to see wich perfomrs better and safer.... or does any of you already have any indications on this?
Regards
I'm glad you brought that up Vladir.
I want to preempt my statements by saying that I do think certain progressions fit with certain systems better than with others. For instance, when playing the Reverse slide, a marty type progression will work better than a D'Alembert progression IMO. Because we are looking for a win within a certain number of spins and if we get it, we are completely recovered. Whereas with D'Alembert, we will need multiple wins to fully recover if we've had multiple losses.
When I design a system, I design it with a certain bankroll in mind to play the system. For example the progression I gave for this system represents 399 units. Therefore, to play this system, I think you need to be willing to invest 399 units in it. This is not cast in stone. I gave other progressions that require different banks that will work just as well.
Your attitude when considering playing any of the systems posted on this or any forum is, "I know all systems fail in the long run, that is for millions of spins. But many systems win in the short run. Most systems win, win, win, win, win, then lose, win, win, win,win, then lose. Especially those with a large negative progressions. I'm going to the casino today and try to win 100 units. I am going to play this system. I am aware that I may lose 399 units if I don't get a little lucky and start winning per expectation. I think there is a very good chance that I can win 100 units before I lose 399 units. That's my risk today."
With the above realistic attitude, you stand a good chance of winning some money for dinner and wine out with the misses tonight. If you go in with the attitude of winning 400 units or losing 400 units, most of the time you'll probably lose. That's because the system doesn't work that way. It may work today but I wouldn't count on it working like that every day.
Take JL and Atlantis' The Reverse Slide. JL goes to the casino with the attitude of risking maybe 80 or even 160 units to win 4 or 5 units. He has an excellent chance of reaching his goal almost every time he goes to play. Were he to change that mindset to win 100 units or lose 160 units, he decreases his odds of reaching his goal by quite a bit.
I am still looking for that system that generates a steady cash flow with no long term risk. If I every find it, I will be sure and share it with you. Til then, this is the best I have to share with you. I don't mean this system is the best system, but this mentality is the best I have to give you.
If others differ, please feel free to enlighten us. I am always looking for new light to brighten up the darkness in my own understanding.
G
Hi.
Please
This is an old topic, and there is a lot here, but I'd like to talk about it and
ask some questions if people still have their ear to it.
Looks very interesting
Thank you
ALan
Speak then :) We will answer if we can.
Hi, quick question....
I understand we reset out betting when we are +1, do we also reset our tracking on the EC we are betting on?
Regards
Jim
PS the info you can find on this forum is unbelievable, it's amazing where you end up by just clicking threads threads at the bottom of a topic page!!
JB, No, you don't reset the tracking. Stay with the same color until you get behind 5 bets. This will find the dominant even chance for short series. If the e.c.'s are switching back and forth every 15 or so spins, this will not do so well. But if one of the e.c.'s is hot, it can stay hot for quite a while and this method will fall on the e.c. until it gets cold.
I'm not saying 5 is the magic number either. You could wait until you're 3 or 4 or 6 or more bets behind before switching. 5 just seems to be a happy medium.
Always test so you know for yourself what to expect when you play for real. And always have a stop loss because it's shocking how bad a series of spins can be sometimes.
Remember, if there are numbers that can cause you to lose, and there always are, eventually random dictates that enough of them will hit close enough together to kill any progression. Actually, they can kill flat betting too.
Good Luck,
GLC
Hi GLC,
Thanks for coming back to me considering the topic is 3+ years old :) I realised you don't track back when I looked back at your example after I had asked the question.
I've been testing this today and early indications seem it works well, I'm using a slightly different progression from the "2 wins" you posted, mine isn't all that different and it changes dependant on your current situation, I'll try and explain it....
Anytime you are minus, whatever the amount simply see what you need to get +1 with 2 wins and then start over, for example if I'm -8, my next bet is 4, if I win, I then bet 5, if this wins I'm +1, if I lose the 4 bet I'm now -12, I would then bet 6, and if this wins then 7, and son on, surely you can get 2 wins in a row at some stage....I know, I know :)
It means I'm not jumping ...4 4, 8 8, 16... In the progression, although, you did say, only bet enough to get you to +1 if your bets are getting quite hefty,
I haven't given too much thought around win/loss targets yet, I will see how testing goes, I'm hoping this could be one for the armoury :)
Thanks again
Jim
JimmieB, I will tell you that you progression idea is a little aggressive. You'll be surprised how long you can go between double wins in a row. You will for sure need a pretty hefty bankroll. But when don't you need a pretty hefty bankroll?
This is a pretty good candidate for the "bread winner" betting progression. Just play exactly like the author describes it in "The Monte Carlo Anecdotes" book. Search this forum for "bread winner" and you can read up on it.
It can take some patience to pull out of a draw down, but if it always does, hallelujah. If you find yourself in a real battle and are getting tired, just stop when you reach a -5 bet point and begin at the same place in your progression the next day or session. It doesn't matter how long between sessions. It may feel like a real grinder sometimes. But that's okay. Here's why. No matter what progression you use, after a lot of sessions, you will see that you win, win, win, win then have a pretty hefty loss. Then win, win, win and another pretty hefty loss. Sometimes you will have a couple of pretty hefty losses close together and will be playing catch up for a while. I don't know if you've read my statement that we should accept the fact that only about 5% of our winnings are real winnings because the rest we will have to give back from time to time. With the 5% mindset when the casino takes a big cut, you won't be so disappointed.
Like the author of "the bread winner" progression says, a bank of 2,000 units should prove to be all but invincible.
Just a suggestion. We each have to find what we like or can stand as far a progression goes. This system works well with almost any even chance progression. So go through the buffet line a pick what you like.
Keep us posted on how you're doing.
GLC
Thanks GLC, got the info on the bread winner, I'll keep you posted :D, and you're right about the 2 in a row....
Regards
Jim
Can we resurrect this post, and get some updates about how people have been doing?
Or not?
Thanks
Mogul