Today in the morning I thought-engineered a system on the STREET BETS.(it can be adapted on other bets too ,but I desided to make test it on streets.)
Now I just stopped testing after 10.000 spins and the Profit is very high and the downs are not so scary!(this is very important )
10.000 spins
Profit : +17.294
worst down :-211
max spins for a new profit : 63 spins
It could be that I hit a lucky 10.000 spins wave that was favouring my system....but if we will not test it in 1.000.000 spins we will never know.(I was betting on every single spin)
As you know I am always sharing my systems with you...so here it is :
1)We are always looking of the LAST 12 SPINS and we see which streets are UNHIT(no hit)
2)We are betting all the UNHIT streets
3)Everytime that a NEW unhit street is showing up ,we adding on all the streets(and the new one) 1 chip.
4)Everytime that a street wins ,we are removing all the bets on that street(so we are leaving the others that are still unhit)
5)Everytime that a street wins and at the same spin a new one is showing up , we are removing the winning street and we are adding 1 chip to all the other streets plus the new that just showed up.
6)Everytime that we are in a new profit , we are reseting all the unhit streets and we are betting again 1 chip on all of them.
I hope 1 programmer to code this system and give a test in 100.000 spins for the beginning.
An honor to be the first to post on this thread........
Method looks amazing..........
Thank you RouletteExplorer........................
Can you post a few examples?
Thanks amk I am trying my best.
Wally Gator the rules are so clear and do easy that it doesn t need an example, just follow the simple rules. :)
Could you post the RX results dude?
Tracking is a little cumbersome, but this is an AWESOME method. I was shocked at how easily it recovered from the small drawdowns. Brilliant work!
Thanks Colbster
I don't get #5....5)Everytime that a street wins and at the same spin a new one is showing up , we are removing the winning street and we are adding 1 chip to all the other streets plus the new that just showed up.
Could someone explain please? How a new one(unhit) can show up if the street wins?
Just gave this a quick spin around the block.
Started out 20 units down before hitting a winner.
From there it never looked back.
+150 units
125 spins
0/00 wheel
Looks like a really strong system.
Impressive R E :thumbsup:
I had the opposite effect. -292 after 70 spins. High was +21.
Maybe I played it wrong .. here are the spins:
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22
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0
22
35
4
32
33
1
27
20
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25
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Best way to track this is once you set up the bet after the first 12 numbers, just keep an eye on the number that drops off the list each spin, then quickly scan the current 12 to see if that number, or any of that number's street mates are still in the list. If not, you add in the street, and add 1 to the others.
The danger for this system is 1 or 2 streets sleeping for extended periods, while the other streets are hitting here and there.
The stubborn sleeping streets will quickly accumulate into large bets that eat up any profit made with the other streets.
I just played 86 spins and street 4-6 started betting on spin 22 and did not hit until spin 85. There was no new profit and by the time it hit the bet was 18 units. Even then I was still down -332 units.
Good luck tweaking this one.
i think there is def something here
"The stubborn sleeping streets will quickly accumulate into large bets that eat up any profit made with the other streets" >>> I agree.
Ken
Hey Roulette Explorer,
Your words have confused me.
Quote2)We are betting all the UNHIT streets
3)Everytime that a NEW unhit street is showing up ,we adding on all the streets(and the new one) 1 chip.
4)Everytime that a street wins ,we are removing all the bets on that street(so we are leaving the others that are still unhit)
5)Everytime that a street wins and at the same spin a new one is showing up , we are removing the winning street and we are adding 1 chip to all the other streets plus the new that just showed up.
6)Everytime that we are in a new profit , we are reseting all the unhit streets and we are betting again 1 chip on all of them.
You are saying you remove the winner street from the bets but you are also saying that you add 1 chip on the winner. Again you said,
Quote(so we are leaving the others that are still unhit)
I am confused about what you want to say. In rule 5 you say you are removing the winning street and again you say
Quoteadding 1 chip to all the other streets plus the new that just showed up
Please clarify it with a sample session. You may take a sample session from the actuals section of our forum. I do not believe that it has worked so well on any session. Can you attach the 10,000 spins data here where you played for everyone to try so that everyone may know how to play?
He means add the new sleeper "that just showed up".
I just realized that I played it on the lines instead of the streets.
I played lines by mistake but it worked great.
After all he did say it would work on any bet.
I'm not sure how it would work on dozens or even chances.
Sorry for the confusion.
GLC
Quote from: Skakus on Sep 22, 09:23 PM 2011
Best way to track this is once you set up the bet after the first 12 numbers, just keep an eye on the number that drops off the list each spin, then quickly scan the current 12 to see if that number, or any of that number's street mates are still in the list. If not, you add in the street, and add 1 to the others.
The danger for this system is 1 or 2 streets sleeping for extended periods, while the other streets are hitting here and there.
The stubborn sleeping streets will quickly accumulate into large bets that eat up any profit made with the other streets.
I just played 86 spins and street 4-6 started betting on spin 22 and did not hit until spin 85. There was no new profit and by the time it hit the bet was 18 units. Even then I was still down -332 units.
Good luck tweaking this one.
Hello everybody
Playing a session longer than 4 spins does not make sense. Depending on how many streets u r betting on usually after 4 spins u don't make profit in yr session. So u should take loss n start all over again. Of course in d next spin u can get a hit n u end
up with smaller loss than f u stopped betting but i personally would not take any chance. I played 8 sessions
+9 +15 +12 +12 +21 +14 +12 7 winning sessions profit 95u
8th session went 6 spins -46u f i got out after 4 spin d loss would be identical but f i went one extra step i would be in d hole 83u f i got a win.
Anyway its 2 early 2 come 2 any conclusions. F You can win 5 out of 6 sessions here You have a winner here in d long run.
Regards
RouletteExplorer, I see you finally took my advice and got back to studying Roulette!
And Man... that looks AMAZING! I've always admired your work here.
I'll do some testing (programming) tonight (with the rules you posted) and bring my feedbacks ;)
"""The danger for this system is 1 or 2 streets sleeping for extended periods, while the other streets are hitting here and there.
The stubborn sleeping streets will quickly accumulate into large bets that eat up any profit made with the other streets."""
In every system we have to leave some of the bets out...because by betting everything we will be down in every spin. We just have too see if the bets that we are leaving out doesn t make us a big trabble.
"""After all he did say it would work on any bet. """
I didn t way it will WORK on any bet...I just said it can be ADAPTED in any bet.
We can t know if something is working or not until we make 1.000.000 spins test.
"""Playing a session longer than 4 spins does not make sense. Depending on how many streets u r betting on usually after 4 spins u don't make profit in yr session. So u should take loss n start all over again. Of course in d next spin You can get a hit n u end
up with smaller loss than f u stopped betting but i personally would not take any chance. """
But it s not a system that after every win you are in a new profit...the profit is building up slowly.
If you need a system that you will be in a profit in every win then use martygnale . LOL
"""RouletteExplorer, I see you finally took my advice and got back to studying Roulette!"""
I didn t take any advice....I am always studying and exploring roulette, I never stopped. ;)
And thanks for the testing that you are gonna make !
As for the ppl that can t understand the rules of the system I am sorry but it can t get more easy.
Almost everyone understood how to play it.
The rules are clear and easy....just follow them and see where it will lead.
Every system has a losing pattern.
Something tells me people are not playing it the correct way. We need a little example.
I can t belieave that I am gonna give instractions on the instractions LoL.
1)So open Roulette Extreme
2)Go to "options" and then "configure"and then CHECK the box on the option "Calculate graphicl statistics using the last" and put the number 12 in the box.
3)Now insert a session with a lot of spins.
4)Open the window "statistics - Streets"
5)Go to toilet and do all your needs because you will need to test a lot of spins and nothing must disterb you :D
6) spin 12 spins and from now on its an every spin play by looking the street graph to see how the streets are acting.
And use the so easy and so clear instractions that I gave to my 1st post.
1)We are always looking of the LAST 12 SPINS and we see which streets are UNHIT(no hit)
2)We are betting all the UNHIT streets
3)Everytime that a NEW unhit street is showing up ,we adding on all the streets(and the new one) 1 chip.
4)Everytime that a street wins ,we are removing all the bets on that street(so we are leaving the others that are still unhit)
5)Everytime that a street wins and at the same spin a new one is showing up , we are removing the winning street and we are adding 1 chip to all the other streets plus the new that just showed up.
6)Everytime that we are in a new profit , we are reseting all the unhit streets and we are betting again 1 chip on all of them.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 04:56 AM 2011
"""The danger for this system is 1 or 2 streets sleeping for extended periods, while the other streets are hitting here and there.
The stubborn sleeping streets will quickly accumulate into large bets that eat up any profit made with the other streets."""
In every system we have to leave some of the bets out...because by betting everything we will be down in every spin. We just have too see if the bets that we are leaving out doesn't make us a big trabble.
"""After all he did say it would work on any bet. """
I didn t way it will WORK on any bet...I just said it can be ADAPTED in any bet.
We can t know if something is working or not until we make 1.000.000 spins test.
"""Playing a session longer than 4 spins does not make sense. Depending on how many streets u r betting on usually after 4 spins u don't make profit in yr session. So u should take loss n start all over again. Of course in d next spin You can get a hit n u end
up with smaller loss than f u stopped betting but i personally would not take any chance. """
But it s not a system that after every win you are in a new profit...the profit is building up slowly.
If you need a system that you will be in a profit in every win then use martygnale . LoL
"""RouletteExplorer, I see you finally took my advice and got back to studying Roulette!"""
I didn t take any advice....I am always studying and exploring roulette, I never stopped. ;)
And thanks for the testing that you are gonna make !
As for the people that can t understand the rules of the system I am sorry but it can t get more easy.
Almost everyone understood how to play it.
Hello RE
U really did not address any posts of other members here. I dont understand yr reply here about leaving out some bets or using martingale as 2 in yr comment on my post 4 example.
N apparently some people still have problems understanding d rules here so just repeating yr first post wont do it.
Personally no problem 4 me understanding d rules although some clarification is needed about when 2 stop betting here - how many steps we go. Like some people reported that You can wait 4 d hit like 9 spins n then You could be easily 200 units down.
I played another 6 games, managed 2 win 5 at 56u profit n lost one when i stopped after 3 spins - 35u down. Had i played one more step i would have ended at small loss.
So we need 2 address this important issues here.
Regards
could you name somehow this system? SSTPTTS looks bad. :thumbsup:
maybe Roulete Explorer Streets System? RESS.
"""Personally no problem 4 me understanding d rules although some clarification is needed about when 2 stop betting here - how many steps we go. Like some people reported that You can wait 4 d hit like 9 spins n then You could be easily 200 units down."""
All ur quetions are answered if you will read the 1st post
"""could you name somehow this system? SSTPTTS looks bad.
maybe roulette Explorer Streets System? RESS."""
I don t care for the system to have a particular name. There is no point in that. The point is to be tested to see if its a winner or not.
Nice method - it is similar towards the raindrop principal - works with many different combinations.
Thanks ego
I haven t read the raindrop method but if you say they are similar, then they are. :)
Where is Mr ore or superman or any programmer to test it in 100.000spins?
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 09:11 AM 2011
"""Personally no problem 4 me understanding d rules although some clarification is needed about when 2 stop betting here - how many steps we go. Like some people reported that You can wait 4 d hit like 9 spins n then You could be easily 200 units down."""
All your quetions are answered if you will read the 1st post
"""could you name somehow this system? SSTPTTS looks bad.
maybe roulette Explorer Streets System? RESS."""
I don't care for the system to have a particular name. There is no point in that. The point is to be tested to see if its a winner or not.
Hello
Ok. I dont think that i will get an answer 2 my question from u regarding stop loss here. Apparently u r ready 2 bet in one game until u get a hit no matter how far down u r. I looked at yr figures regarding profit n it shows on average 1.7u per spin.
I wonder how u came up with this figure because its plainly impossible 2 have such a numbers.
Regards
QuoteMaybe I played it wrong .. here are the spins:
Hi Wally! I played your numbers on paper and came to a result of -42, betting 14 units in the end on 3 streets (1-3, 25-27, 28-30).
Maybe I made some mistakes in calculation, but this is the result I get playing the way I understand the explanation.
[reveal]
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27 start
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25 - 1 unit until here
11 - 2 units
27 - 3 units
27
32
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26 - 4 units
33
3 -5 u.
7 - 6 u.
7
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4 -7 u.
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5 -8 u.
1 -9 u.
0
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2 - 10 u.
31 - 11 u.
1
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33
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24 - 12 u.
0
34 - 13 u.
16
33
6
13 - 14 u.
0
24
[/reveal]
Sorry, I don´t want to play the whole game again for exacter explanation.
I think, this system looks very promising.
Thanks RE :thumbsup:!
Thank you Mad Max
Robeenhuut
"""Apparently u r ready 2 bet in one game until u get a hit no matter how far down u r."""
Exactly. I never posted a stop-loss.
The stoploss will be determined after the 1.000.000 spin testing
"""I wonder how u came up with this figure because its plainly impossible 2 have such a numbers. """
Of cource it is possible because we are speaking here about a 10.000 test.... If the numbers were favouring the system even more , the profit could be higher.
Only the 1.000.000 spin test can show the real face of every system.
Only a FLAT BET system it is certain that it will lose after 10.000 spins.
A System with progression can win in 10.000....as everybody knows , Turbo Genious has posted some systems that had pass even 15.000 spins
I have not got answers to my questions.
kingsroulette what you haven t understood is that we are tracking after EVERY SPIN , the LAST 12 SPINS and we are constantly looking which streets are UNHIT and which street won.....
This kind of tracking makes changes on the streets all the time....
So that s why in 1 singe spin we can have a winning street and a new unhit street.
So the problem of your understanding is that you haven t realise HOW we track.
The 1 way and the easiest one is with Roulette Extreme software that is doing it automaticaly.(I have already given the instractions of how to set it up)
The 2nd way which is manual is the way that Skakus posted:
Best way to track this is once you set up the bet after the first 12 numbers, just keep an eye on the number that drops off the list each spin, then quickly scan the current 12 to see if that number, or any of that number's street mates are still in the list. If not, you add in the street, and add 1 to the others.
Now I am sure that your confusion is solved.
For those who don´t have RX I have attached a little Excel-tracker for this system.
You just have to enter the numbers (not streets) into the yellow collumn. The sheet automatically tracks always the last 12 numbers. In the upper part you get shown which street(s) to bet. (When starting, all Streets are shown as ready to bet, because no Street has appeared so far.) Easy to use. But there are only the streets considered. Betsize must be done manually.
Good luck to all.
Mad Max you are God mate !
Thanks very much for the work and for posting the Excel-tracker :thumbsup:
I hope we had more members in here that like contributing more.
I also hope that the Excel - tracker is correct with no mistakes.
Thank you for your kind words, but all the credits are due to you for bringing your systems to public.
I just try to help the way I can.
And don´t worry about mistakes, the tracker works so simple, that there is almost no space for mistakes (almost, cause we as roulette players know: nothing is impossible ;D)
But as far as I have tested it out, I couldn´t find an error.
So, will know test your system a bit more with real live spins and hope the best.
Cheers.
Thanks MadMax
I checked the Excel - tracker and it works perfectly ;)
What we need now is a Prpgrammer to test the system in depth
VLS I see you are watching the Topic.
Can you give ur opinion about the system? Ur opinion counts a lot to me. :)
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 12:05 PM 2011
Thank you Mad Max
Robeenhuut
"""Apparently u r ready 2 bet in one game until u get a hit no matter how far down u r."""
Exactly. I never posted a stop-loss.
The stoploss will be determined after the 1.000.000 spin testing
"""I wonder how u came up with this figure because its plainly impossible 2 have such a numbers. """
Of cource it is possible because we are speaking here about a 10.000 test.... If the numbers were favouring the system even more , the profit could be higher.
Only the 1.000.000 spin test can show the real face of every system.
Only a FLAT BET system it is certain that it will lose after 10.000 spins.
A System with progression can win in 10.000....as everybody knows , Turbo Genious has posted some systems that had pass even 15.000 spins
Hello
Ok. Somebody has here a problem with an elementary grade math. Correct me f im wrong here. Each game takes at least 13 spins so if u have 1.7u profit per unit u win
22u in each game ON AVERAGE. This is almost MAXIMAL profit u can have in one game.
So yr figures r telling me that u won EACH game played at almost maximum profit per game.
I suggest b4 u post any figures here u go through them carefully n do it properly.
Apropo stop loss its clear here that this system wont work f u DO NOT PUT STOP LOSS at relatively low figure 4 example around 40 or max 50. No 1 Mil spins needed.
;D
Regards
your calculations are completely wrong ....but even if you had made the correct ones, the averages can t be made for any system in only 10.000 spins.
I think you are new in Roulette exploring and testing so that s why you think like that....
And I also don't know why you are trying to make a bad mood in my topic....
If you don't like it or if you don't beleave it then You are free not to use it. :)
Most of the old members here , they like it and this shows a lot !
I never claimed that it will win on the long run(no system on planer ever did that so far)....I and all the people in here HOPE that it will be good on the long run.
From now on every irrelative or insulting post of yours will be deleted in order for the topic not to be fill with nonsence.
Thanks :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 01:58 PM 2011
your calculations are completely wrong ....but even if you had made the correct ones, the averages can t be made for any system in only 10.000 spins.
I think you are new in Roulette exploring and testing so that s why you think like that....
And I also don't know why you are trying to make a bad mood in my topic....
If you don't like it or if you don't beleave it then You are free not to use it. :)
Most of the old members here , they like it and this shows a lot !
I never claimed that it will win on the long run(no system on planer ever did that so far)....I and all the people in here HOPE that it will be good on the long run.
From now on every irrelative or insulting post of yours will be deleted in order for the topic not to be fill with nonsence.
Thanks :thumbsup:
U can delete my posts anytime u want.
Regards
Thanks man. :thumbsup:
I never delete any negative posts....only some insulting ones... ;)
There are already some negative posts in here...and non of them are deleted.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 02:33 PM 2011
Thanks man. :thumbsup:
I never delete any negative posts....only some insulting ones... ;)
There are already some negative posts in here...and non of them are deleted.
U deleted my posts already. Just face up 2 some criticism. :o
Regards
I deleted the post because it was highly INSOLTING !
If you want to play just go to an other Topic....this one is sirious.
Thanks :thumbsup:
MadMax,
brilliant tracker! Must learn Excel programming ... :(
Any chance for a slight alteration? a tracker of the last 15 spins, as opposed to last 12. I prefer waiting to risking and am wondering if there might be an advantage to waiting for 4 unhit streets on 15 spins.
Regards,
Jeromin
I don't think that 15 spins tracking will changing anything but if you like it.....I have no word on that.It s ur choise :)
Quote from: Jeromin on Sep 23, 02:49 PM 2011
MadMax,
brilliant tracker! Must learn Excel programming ... :(
Any chance for a slight alteration? a tracker of the last 15 spins, as opposed to last 12. I prefer waiting to risking and am wondering if there might be an advantage to waiting for 4 unhit streets on 15 spins.
Regards,
Jeromin
Hello
F u want 2 lower d risk just wait 2 spins after u get yr qualifying numbers after 12 spins Start betting after u get 2 repeats on already HIT numbers.
More waiting time n less risk.
thanks for pm.
Regards
P.S Sorry 4 insulting post :wink:
RouletteExplorer:
"We can t know if something is working or not until we make 1.000.000 spins test."
I think this is a fascinating RouletteExplorer.............
A system cannot be deemed a winner unless it has reached 1 million spins successfully.................
In on sense it is a terrific benchmark however, it would take two years of continual play to reach 1 millions spins LIVE wheel...........
To me this confirms that hit and run has merit.........
To reach 1 million spins is only for the real pros..........
We might be fortunate to reach 1 million spins after 20 years of playing.............
Therefor, we should be more focused on systems which achieve profits over say 300,000 spins....... Remember, our complete lifetime session might only be 300,000 spins..........
Viewed in this light the 1 million spin benchmark is an illusion.................
amk my friend there is something that you need to know... please allow me to explain it to you.
The point of testing a system in 1.000.000 spins is NOT standing for to see what will happen IF we will play it in 1.000.000 spins !
The point is to see IF after 1.000.000 spins the system can hold on and not be killed by the house edje.
So if it will pass the test (no system ever did that so far) then its worth playing it....now if our life play will be 300.000 spins or just 100 spins IT DOESN T REALLY MATTER !
If we will test a system in only 300.000 spins as you suggest, the system can pass those 300.000 and be a winner... BUT in the next 300.000 spins it can be a BIG LOSER !!!!
So what if your REAL PLAY will end up like the 300.000 LOSER test????
BUT when we have a system that passed the ultimate test of 1.000.000 spins then this means that there is a really big possibility that you will be able to win in ur REAL PLAY.
300.000 spins of succesfull test can be LUCK....wile 1.000.000 spins of succesfull test it CAN NOT be luck ! It surely means that we have something that is overcoming the house edje.
Thanks for reading this...and please let me know if you understand it?
Ok.
Can we return to the subject matter here. :-[
Could someone, (pref R.E) give is all an Update on testing, bet placement, and whether this bet has "Morphed" since its first posting?
Most of this type of bet tends to turn a little and get tweaked.
Unless, of course, we have a UNIQUE one, and the designed (Engineered) version is exactly the same as u set out?
Cheers All.
And Well done Jordan. Great set of posts, some of the Best I have seen U make. :thumbsup:
""""Could someone, (pref R.E) give is all an Update on testing, bet placement, and whether this bet has "Morphed" since its first posting?""""
Chris my man nothing has changed or modified or tweaked in my system !
So don't worry...everything is like my 1st post.
thanks
Hello RouletteExplorer!.........
Thanks for the great post...........
Perhaps you are right however, by this logic there could also be a losing 1 million spin session.............
I do understand your point...........
"""Perhaps you are right however, by this logic there could also be a losing 1 million spin session............."""
If a system will pass 1.000.000 then if you will start playing this system and it will lose in the long run as you play.....then something is going on like someone cursed you (LoL) or the wheel is not fair.
The 300.000 spins test however is very little.....so anything can happen.
I like that you understood it though....
And as you see the also very expirienced member iggiv , was hoping for you to read my post and understand it ;)
This is the Maths true my friend and Roulette is a mathimatical game.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 03:51 PM 2011
""""Could someone, (pref R.E)........................................................"Morphed" since its first posting?""""
Chris my man nothing has changed...................................
No, thank U Ro.Ex.
Good Job. [reveal]I wasn't worried!. More like
"interested!"[.reveal][/reveal]
Lets see what happens when someone bots it eh! :P
"And as you see the also very experienced member iggiv , was hoping for you to read my post and understand it"
thanx, i am NOT VERY EXPERIENCED, but with what i know already i can draw some conclusions
i tried it very little and it worked. your method i mean. so i can't say really that it is losing right now.
the problem is (for me-- about your method) that is based on typical gambler fallacy mindset.
"Due theory". that something that did not hit for long time must hit. that's a very dangerous approach to this tricky game. the difference is that u work not with EC, but rather streets. so far so good, your method showed good results. but i still would not trust it. i could be ok with using it sometimes as hit-n-run, but there is no reason to believe it will work continuously. so anyone can incude it in his arsenal carefully, but better not to use it as a main method to defeat roulette. and not to try it with too big units, where is real danger to lose a lot. it is practically impossible that cold streets would hit all the time.
and i suggest that maybe option "waking up sleeper" could be used as well.
thanks.
that's what i think about it
Ur comment is both Wise, and Necessary Iggv.
One thing I would say, with Streets, is You can EEK out a good progression, for fairly cheap money, waiting for the "Hammer 2 Fall"............
Sorry RouletteExplorer to keep going off topic on this thread and will PM questions after this...........
Is it interesting to test a method over 4 sessions of 250,000 spins. If 3 sessions out of four win you have winner...... 50/50 were alright.............
Nice to see something attracting SO much attention for a change.
And a decent set of posts too.
Keep it up chaps.
R.E. U thought about setting up a dedicated team to test widely?
Would be a good idea.
Strike whilst the IRON is HOT I say. ;)
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 23, 04:08 PM 2011
your comment is both Wise, and Necessary Iggv.
One thing I would say, with Streets, is You can EEK out a good progression, for fairly cheap money, waiting for the "Hammer 2 Fall"............
thanks Chris. the progression must be not too long, that's what i think. RExpl mentioned that flat bet is not working but the progression is working. that's NOT A GOOD SIGN. practically we all know that if flatbet is not working with a certain method, the progression would finally fail either, but...it can damage player's pocket much more dramatically and from historical point of view even tragically. that's how people lost their money, their houses and sometimes even their lives. all the people which did not think or know about it should know that "due theory" made lots of damage to gambling people on this planet. Don't be one of them
"""the problem is (for me-- about your method) that is based on typical gambler fallacy mindset.
"Due theory". that something that did not hit for long time must hit. that's a very dangerous approach to this tricky game. the difference is that u work not with EC, but rather streets. so far so good, your method showed good results. but i still would not trust it. """
Yes ofcource iggiv this is my opinion too as you know and that s why we need a 1.000.000 test it see what is going on.
Any system that is NOT based on VB or BIAS is a gambling fallacy system...but if we wouldn t fight roulette with other ways than VB and bias then this forum would be closed.
"""Nice to see something attracting SO much attention for a change."""
Me too :thumbsup:
"""R.E. U thought about setting up a dedicated team to test widely?"""
I don't think that anyone likes testing manually these days. LoL(sad but true).
That s why we are waiting for a programmer to code it and run the test.
"""RExpl mentioned that flat bet is not working but the progression is working. that's NOT A GOOD SIGN. practically we all know that if flatbet is not working with a certain method, the progression would fail either,"""
Yes iggiv this is what logic say....but we all know also that FLAT BET nothing can win(exept VB or Bias).
So the only thing that we have left is a good money management.(we made a hole topic about this)
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 04:23 PM 2011
"""the problem is (for me-- about your method) that is based on typical gambler fallacy mindset.
"Due theory". that something that did not hit for long time must hit. that's a very dangerous approach to this tricky game. the difference is that u work not with EC, but rather streets. so far so good, your method showed good results. but i still would not trust it. """
Yes ofcource iggiv this is my opinion too as you know and that s why we need a 1.000.000 test it see what is going on.
Any system that is NOT based on VB or BIAS is a gambling fallacy system...but if we wouldn t fight roulette with other ways than VB and bias then this forum would be closed.
"""Nice to see something attracting SO much attention for a change."""
Me too :thumbsup:
"""R.E. U thought about setting up a dedicated team to test widely?"""
I don't think that anyone likes testing manually these days. LoL(sad but true).
That s why we are waiting for a programmer to code it and run the test.
"""RExpl mentioned that flat bet is not working but the progression is working. that's NOT A GOOD SIGN. practically we all know that if flatbet is not working with a certain method, the progression would fail either,"""
Yes iggiv this is what logic say....but we all know also that FLAT BET nothing can win(exept VB or Bias).
So the only thing that we have left is a good money management.(we made a hole topic about this)
i tend no to agree with some things u say but prefer not to go too deep into it. thanx.
my advice is don't concentrate on the same method all the time. i said it before and will say again.
stiff bet selections won't work. but nobody forces u to use only one method to play.
this forum is full of good playable methods, u can combine them. and this may work.
also to make your method more flexible i can suggest u to add hot street approach to your method as well. basically if u use hot inside and outside bets u get more chances to win than betting on cold.
and i see no reason to test this method for millions of spins. the outcome is well known.
if u see that your method works well frequently just include it with others, and that's it.
don't play it for hours, use it from time to time and not for too long
Hello Iggiv,
You bring up a good point which might be interesting to run tests on............
I agree, combining different methods is the way to go............
thanks. yes, and preferable betting HOT, not cold. i am not saying it happens all the time but from what i know trend players sometimes win a lot in roulette.
but here comes to the scene careful money management, discipline and stuff like that
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 04:35 PM 2011
don't play it for hours, use it from time to time and not for too long
With all due respect Iggiv, there no statistically difference if for example I go play now one hour and wait some time and play again or to play for two hours without a break.. I think only ophis know how system go on long term because he tested :) And thanks RE for post system. :thumbsup:
Okay I just got back from home and got some free time for testing. Rules sounds pretty straight forward, I'll ask if I have any questions to any specific scenario that might not be covered. Also as someone said before, even if I have years of experience with programming,
>> don't trust any results from a test you did not do yourself.
That being said, it shouldn't take too long, I'm eating at that same time, ahah.
Logs will be attached so we can discuss the results.
Status: Implementing rule #4 (1, 2 & 3 are done)
Specific unsure scenarios: 1
Quote from: speed on Sep 23, 04:53 PM 2011
With all due respect Iggiv, there no statistically difference if for example I go play now one hour and wait some time and play again or to play for two hours without a break.. I think only ophis know how system go on long term because he tested :) And thanks RE for post system. :thumbsup:
there is practical difference. there is real life out there, maybe without proper statistics. read some legitimate roulette books, and u will see what i am talking about. and there is a fact that most of casino players are at certain point ahead, but there is another fact, that absolutely most of them
lose this advantage and are down after. and longer they play -- more chances to lose. as simple as that. u can hear those stories over and over again. some one won, then lost.
i know someone who told me this smart thing i like very much " A good player has always one eye looking at the door". and this is true. u gotta know when to quit. even if there are no statistics about it
I would like to ask for sample session (40 spins) of this system to verify the tracker.
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 05:01 PM 2011
and longer they play -- more chances to lose. as simple as that. You can hear those stories over and over again. some one won, then lost.
Please tell me what is the difference in practice if i play for five hours without stopping and play for five hours with stoping?! Without reading this books with 100% I tell you there no diference. If u have bad luck u can hit bad run in first 5 min of play.. Please think about it. :thumbsup:
is it from your experience? if u play the same methods for 5 hours in a row or u play them for a month
10 minutes each day?
i don't have to think about it. i have thought about it already. and i know what others think. Those who are much more experienced than me. and i guess than u as well.
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 05:28 PM 2011
is it from your experience? if u play the same methods for 5 hours in a row or u play them for a month
10 minutes each day?
i don't have to think about it. i have thought about it already. and i know what others think. Those who are much more experienced than me. and i guess than u as well.
You have not answered the question. Take, for example, 1000 hours of play, you and others think that some system that not passed long run test can be wining if u play one hour per day and play 1000 days? Is this your practice teory?
basically the answer is yes.
it is not 100% true of course, there could be just an opposite of course sometimes. But usually players playing long hours will generally lose more than the players playing the same methods as "hit-n-run", quitting early.
if u don't know this fact, then u don't know much about gambling, sorry. I can't bring any mathematical base under this fact, this is just well known fact for any more or less smart gambler. and casinos know this fact very well too. they usually encourage players to play as long as possible with any means. offering drinks and so on. because they know -- longer the player will play -- more likely he will lose more.
and u probably missed what i already said before: most of the players are ahead at some point, and most of them lose because they keep playing instead of quitting after win. this is well know fact as well.
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 05:51 PM 2011
basically the answer is yes.
it is not 100% true of course, there could be just an opposite of course sometimes. But usually players playing long hours will generally lose more than the players playing the same methods as "hit-n-run", quitting early.
if u don't know this fact, then u don't know much about gambling, sorry. I can't bring any mathematical base under this fact, this is just well known fact for any more or less smart gambler. and casinos know this fact very well too. they usually encourage players to play as long as possible with any means. offering drinks and so on. because they know -- longer the player will play -- more likely he will lose more.
and u probably missed what i already said before: most of the players are ahead at some point, and most of them lose because they keep playing instead of quitting after win. this is well know fact as well.
Sorry to have to tell you this but all who belive in this teory will lose a lot of money if you have not already..
Quote from: MadMax on Sep 23, 11:24 AM 2011
Hi Wally! I played your numbers on paper and came to a result of -42, betting 14 units in the end on 3 streets (1-3, 25-27, 28-30).
Maybe I made some mistakes in calculation, but this is the result I get playing the way I understand the explanation.
Thanks, Max.
Quote from: speed on Sep 23, 06:03 PM 2011
Sorry to have to tell you this but all who belive in this teory will lose a lot of money if you have not already..
no problem :)
i got used to different ideas in those forums. some people believe in numerology as well, u may believe that hit-n-run will make u lose more money than playing continuously. Good luck, bud ;D
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 06:08 PM 2011
no problem :)
i got used to different ideas in those forums. some people believe in numerology as well, u may believe that hit-n-run will make u lose more money than playing continuously. Good luck, bud ;D
No I belive that hit and run and continuosly play on 1000000 or more spins of play with losing system will give the same results.
I Completely AGREE with Speed.
Playing constrantly or playing with breaks or playing an other day can NOT make any deference at all !
Randomness is adding up and the resaults will be the same...the point is not how many hours you play or how many breaks you do BUT how many spins you play in total.
This is mathimaticaly proven and VERY LOGICAL TOO.
OK guys, i don't mind, we all are entitled to our opinions.
i just wonder how much legitimate literature on gambling have u read? Well, whatever.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 06:14 PM 2011
I Completely AGREE with Speed.
Playing constrantly or playing with breaks or playing an other day can NOT make any deference at all !
Randomness is adding up and the results will be the same...the point is not how many hours you play or how many breaks you do BUT how many spins you play in total.
This is mathematically proven and VERY LOGICAL TOO.
:thumbsup:
2:1, consider me losing this argument ;D . easy win.
i wish u both to win in casino for long hours 2:1 too, but that's gonna be harder, men
Iggiv as the years pass by and a Roulette Explorer is exploring EVERYTHING in the "Roulette world" ,he is constantly building his knowledje .
All this knowledje is comming and is building up in stages....
As the years will pass and IF you are still exploring roulette and the maths of it you will also realise what Me and Speed are telling you.
I am not saying that you are not a very good understander and explorer , but this stage(that me and speed we are telling you) hasn t come for you yet.
But because you are also smart I bet that you will realise it too. And I know that I will not lose this bet on you ;)
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 06:20 PM 2011
2:1, consider me losing this argument ;D . easy win.
i wish u both to win in casino for long hours 2:1 too, but that's gonna be harder, men
Ok,lets focus on system, ophis need sample session (40 spins) of this system to verify the tracker.
Can somebody do that?
I am really not good in giving examples with numbers so if someone else can do it , it would be nice.
I think the easier thing is for ophis to test a 40 spin sample of his own and tell the result...then he can give me the numbers and i will test manualy and tell if the results are matching.
Ok, whatever.
let me give u an example. small example from real life.
u bet last 2 hot dozens. u just came to the table. and u place bets on last 2 dozens. is it possible and likely for u to win now? yes, quite. let's say u won. now u do it again. do You have the same chances to strike it again? no. You have less chances. but let's say u r on a winning strike. u won again. now next time -- do You have the same chances to win the third time? NO. 3 times in a row to win on last 2 dozens is much less chance You have now. But u continue to play. won! 3 times in a row u won.
what will a smart gambler do now? get the hell out of there or stop playing the same strategy now. but no, your philosophy and math is still telling u that You have the same chances to win than before.
play it! no problem. play last 2 dozens for 2 hours in a row. and see how much u win now.
and look at the guy who will play it till he is ahead just a little (or lost just a little) and will come back tomorrow for just the same.
You have RX, You have lots of german spins for different days, try it. try playing 2 dozens for 2 hours in a row spin data and try playing them for each day data a little. and then show your graphs. do it a few times.
and let's see who is right or wrong.
the problem is, guys, that u don't know much about real life gambling, buds. u r thinking too abstract categories.
hopefully i did not make u upset
"""hopefully i did not make u upset"""
No no i am not upset at all :)
I am just sad for you. And please don t take it wrong.
What if the moment you will start playing the last 2 dozens you will lose? and what if you do that in the next spin you will lose too !
And what uf you will now change strategy and the last 2 dozens will start hitting in the next 5 spins???
Won t you regret that you changed ur system??? ;)
Roulette is like water....it can not be trapped simple because we NEVER know where the water will flow....
Of cource if you will play 1 system(pattern) constantly you will lose in the long run...BUT the EXACT same thing will happen if you will be changing ur systems....simply because you can t know the f..cking WHEN the randomness will deside to change or to stay withe same pattern....
The thing you say Iggiv have been tested to death from expert roulette explorers and mathimaticians over the lots of years and they all came to the same comclusion.
Betting the same or altering ur bets CAN NOT CHANGE A THING !
Its all about luck....its all about IF the numbers (outcomes) will favour ur system-s or not.
This has been Botted for Bet Voyager (No Zero RNG) by a friend of mine, and It tanked.
Sorry Jordan.
:'(
So, not suited for RNG.
Air-Ball, and Live wheels maybe?
He's what he said.
Name deleted for security reasons. He's not forum member.
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***: well i tested it for many spins
***: when it reached -10000 units i stoped it
His bet failed?
***: yeah
***: i botted it, and left it for couple hours on bv
*** christopher: and have U been able to analise Y it fails?
***: well i usually don't like to analyze the WHY
christopher: Because the Sleeper street keeps moving eh?
***: but in that case i guess if a street sleeps for too long it sure fails
***: yeah that too
christopher: But isn't he constantly moving the bet sleeper street?
christopher: Isn't that the difference here?
christopher: so a LONG sleep would not affect U
christopher: or have I read it wrong?
***: i don't know if you did
***: give me an exact details
christopher: k
***: you have a street sleepin for too long while the others are hitted normally
christopher: 1)We are always looking of the LAST 12 SPINS and we see which streets are UNHIT(no hit)
2)We are betting all the UNHIT streets
3)Everytime that a NEW unhit street is showing up ,we adding on all the streets(and the new one) 1 chip.
4)Everytime that a street wins ,we are removing all the bets on that street(so we are leaving the others that are still unhit)
5)Everytime that a street wins and at the same spin a new one is showing up , we are removing the winning street and we are adding 1 chip to all the other streets plus the new that just showed up.
6)Everytime that we are in a new profit , we are reseting all the unhit streets and we are betting again 1 chip on all of them
***: in every spin the bet on the sleeper get's bigger till a point where the gains from the others don't cover it
***: i got it right i am sure about that
well it was expected but let s see what ophis will say.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 06:45 PM 2011
"""hopefully i did not make u upset"""
No no i am not upset at all :)
I am just sad for you. And please don't take it wrong.
What if the moment you will start playing the last 2 dozens you will lose? and what if you do that in the next spin you will lose too !
And what uf you will now change strategy and the last 2 dozens will start hitting in the next 5 spins???
Won t you regret that you changed your system??? ;)
Roulette is like water....it can not be trapped simple because we NEVER know where the water will flow....
Of cource if you will play 1 system(pattern) constantly you will lose in the long run...BUT the EXACT same thing will happen if you will be changing your systems....simply because you can t know the f..cking WHEN the randomness will decide to change or to stay withe same pattern....
The thing you say Iggiv have been tested to death from expert roulette explorers and mathimaticians over the lots of years and they all came to the same comclusion.
Betting the same or altering your bets CAN NOT CHANGE A THING !
Its all about luck....its all about IF the numbers (outcomes) will favour your system-s or not.
OK good...nice. u won. don't try testing, it has been tested by the best roulette explorers over the centuries. and don't try to read any gambling literature, You know more than all the authors taken together.
yeah u r right, i can't argue
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 06:36 PM 2011
Ok, whatever.
let me give u an example. small example from real life.
u bet last 2 hot dozens. u just came to the table. and u place bets on last 2 dozens. is it possible and likely for u to win now? yes, quite. let's say u won. now u do it again. do You have the same chances to strike it again? no. You have less chances. but let's say u r on a winning strike. u won again. now next time -- do You have the same chances to win the third time? NO. 3 times in a row to win on last 2 dozens is much less chance You have now. But u continue to play. won! 3 times in a row u won.
what will a smart gambler do now? get the hell out of there or stop playing the same strategy now. but no, your philosophy and math is still telling u that You have the same chances to win than before.
play it! no problem. play last 2 dozens for 2 hours in a row. and see how much u win now.
and look at the guy who will play it till he is ahead just a little (or lost just a little) and will come back tomorrow for just the same.
You have RX, You have lots of german spins for different days, try it. try playing 2 dozens for 2 hours in a row spin data and try playing them for each day data a little. and then show your graphs. do it a few times.
and let's see who is right or wrong.
the problem is, guys, that u don't know much about real life gambling, buds. u r thinking too abstract categories.
hopefully i did not make u upset
Upset WHY?
I see that is trying really hard to understand, think about this u come in casino and u plan to play hit and run some system. U plan to play him 1 year with one hour per day because u think that system can't fall in one hour. And u start play first day and u got bad series in first hour and losse all bankroll, You are leaving casino and thinking why am so stupied...I hope u understud now.. :)
iggiv (sorry, i pressed a wrong button for reply):your problem is that u don't know about real life gambling bud. as many others in this forum.for this scenario You have a special money management, and if u follow the rules u will not lose your entire bankroll, u will lose just part of it and u quit and goin home. but You have no clue, i am sorry. i am not going to make here a lecture on money management because u won't listen anyway, u guys know better of course. that's why u gonna be stuck in this tunnel vision stuff-- thinking that u always know better looking at progression as a cure. instead of getting out of the tunnel and see what's goin on in real life and where u will find info about real life gambling. i am washing my hands on it, buds.
@iggiv, your small sessions will line-up just as if it was a long session. No matter how you cut them.
Playing 20 spins or 10 times 2 spins is exactly the same.
You have to deal with the same amount of spins, so are the odds of winning vs. losing.
If I take your example, you'll win 2 times out of 3, we're you're gonna lose your previous winning if you don't use a progression. You bet, win. Bet again, win. Now you're on the threshold as you said, but bet one last time and win.
You were lucky enough to beat 3:1 odds, you won 3 times (3(spins) : 0(losses)).
Leaving right here is TOTALLY JUSTIFIED! Whoever doesn't leave now have to realise they are -PAST- the expected wins, they have much MUCH more higher chances of losing.
>> What I want you to realise is if you quit now and play the exact same hit&run strategy the day after, you're still facing the same odds. Leaving for a day and letting the wheel spin won't make it nicer with you. It doesn't have feelings, doesn't have minds. It just throw numbers in a random fashion.
Somebody could walk by a random generator and get "8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8...." non-stop and say "Hey, this isn't random at all". But it fact it is and you just happened to be there when this kind of run happened. You don't have very much reference to compare the results to.
In the long run tho, it'll even out. Thus if you randomly pick a number, say every 3 spins, or alternating 3,10 spins, or with a coin, whatever. The numbers picked with have ROUGHLY 50% blacks, 50% red, 1/36 #1's, 1/36 #2's, etc... The more numbers you pick, the more precise the statistic will get.
You can't evade odds. If you were lucky enough to not hit a pattern that is getting due. Put the money in your pocket and bet another pattern.
Going back the day after won't change anything. Only a progression could with the example you gave me.
Okay the results!!!
It'd take forever to post the huge output file and explain how it actually works because I did it so /I/ can understand what I am doing and waste less time as possible, I'm sorry.
Tho, I do have good news!
The bet selection works! It really does a great, amazing job. A few things a noticed: It is really working due to Rule #6, since I implemented it, the system started making money.
And it does this very well. The problem comes past 300'000 spins, as for any systems, it'll start losing because it hits the very pattern you're betting agaisn't and when it happens, the losses get so high, your bankroll take a F-ing huge drop.
So I seen results going up and down 15k units, moving around for a good minute, and then this text appeared:
[!] Game over! You ran out of money.
I believe I did everything right, and I wasn't expecting anything else neither. The system is strong, I just wish it had something in place to protect the losses because when they happen, it's your whole bankroll you put at risk.
well iggiv you see now we are 3 to 1 .... LoL.
Nitrix couldn t say it better ---> What I want you to realise is if you quit now and play the exact same hit&run strategy the day after, you're still facing the same odds.
Its really that simple....please understand it too and we will all 4 be in the same stage ;)
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Somebody could walk by a random generator and get "8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8...." non-stop and say "Hey, this isn't random at all". But it fact it is and you just happened to be there when this kind of run happened. You don't have very much reference to compare the results to.
U are so right. :(
I have seen it. :'(
Nitrix thanks for everything mate....your post was very analitic. :thumbsup:
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 03:41 PM 2011
amk my friend there is something that you need to know... please allow me to explain it to you.
The point of testing a system in 1.000.000 spins is NOT standing for to see what will happen IF we will play it in 1.000.000 spins !
The point is to see IF after 1.000.000 spins the system can hold on and not be killed by the house edje.
So if it will pass the test (no system ever did that so far) then its worth playing it....now if our life play will be 300.000 spins or just 100 spins IT doesn't REALLY MATTER !
If we will test a system in only 300.000 spins as you suggest, the system can pass those 300.000 and be a winner... BUT in the next 300.000 spins it can be a BIG LOSER !!!!
So what if your REAL PLAY will end up like the 300.000 LOSER test? ???
BUT when we have a system that passed the ultimate test of 1.000.000 spins then this means that there is a really big possibility that you will be able to win in your REAL PLAY.
300.000 spins of succesfull test can be LUCK....wile 1.000.000 spins of succesfull test it CAN NOT be luck ! It surely means that we have something that is overcoming the house edje.
Thanks for reading this...and please let me know if you understand it?
So if 1 MILLIONS SPINS pass and what if the next MILLION fails then what do we do.
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I'd Open the Box!! lol
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Min profit per spin: 1u.
Max units: 25u.
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You want me to run it on 1kkk spins?
WoW man !
ophis man you are amazing !
It looks like a strong system like all said but still a loser on the long run....
There are 2 things from now on....leave it or tweak it.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 23, 07:19 PM 2011
WoW man !
ophis man you are amazing !
It looks like a strong system like all said but still a loser on the long run....
There are 2 things from now on....leave it or tweak it.
well.
tell me what tweak comes to your mind and i will implement them and supply you with the tracker.
(maybe we can try to bet streets that have hit instead of those that sleep - /zsore is bit better this way/)
anyway u can setup dynamic progression setting and amount of spins to track (12 by default).
but let me know if u have another ideas.
Just before I get back to designing my own system I'm working on,
I must add my two cents (oh hell yeah!) AGAIN.
Because RE said iggiv's wrong and me backing him up doesn't mean we necessarily have the answer. The number of us doesn't make our point better.
Wouldn't you get upset if somebody were to say you're wrong and explain every point you didn't understand... just like we did :/ I think it's rude.
It happened to me very often and iggiv's reaction is far different from what I was expecting. I freaking admire you, man. Sail your boat, that's how the famous people that were previously tagged "Insane" before are now-a-days remembered as "Genious". All thinkers, no matter on what side they are, have something to teach to the opposites.
IGGIV, I think I just found the solution right now to Roulette because of you! I remember saying if there was something that'd work with roulette, it wouldn't be agaisn't the odd, nor a progression... and I think THIS is it! I got it!
I owe you dude.
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@warrior: You're also very close to find what I mean with your thinking!
I'll all give you the answer, I'm starting a thread it in a very few seconds.
Nitrix sorry i didn t understand anything that you said in your last post....can you explain>? or will i get my answer in your new Topic?
Hello
Only way 2 make it work n still it won't be a perfect system is as i said 2 use 1,2,3,4 progression only n 2 use an additional trigger. As the original streets tend 2 repeat i would wait 4 2 additional hits on ALREADY hit streets in 12 spins we track. Longer wait but it extends yr progression n with shorter progression you have better chance in d long run. Of course once in a while you get a few stubborn sleepers n lose but you limited yr losses.
Rules stay d same but we go only 4 steps in progression
I play successfully different streets system based on opposite principle - repeats of streets but i use set of additional triggers. Longer wait 4 win but I'm in no big hurry. ;D
Observing its behavior i can see some potential in this system but i would incorporate aforementioned tweaks. Hope its clear. :-X
Regards
Somebody correct my thinking please.
This systems says to bet on the streets that don't hit in the last 12 spins. The reason we use 12 spins is because there are 12 streets and therefore each street should hit once every 12 spins.
I played this system on lines. I bet on the lines that didn't show in the last 6 spins. Why 6? Because there are 6 lines and therefore each line should hit once in every 6 spins.
If I play this system on dozens, I bet on the dozens that didn't show in the last 3 spins. Why 3? You got it by now, right?
If I play this system on even chances, I bet on the color that didn't show in the last 2 spins.
Why 2? :o
If it wins on the streets, it should win on lines, dozens, even chances, splits and straight up numbers.
Help me out here Mr. Ore, Superman, Ophis, Iggiv, Bayes, Crispy Biscuit, anybody?
George,
You are more than correct in your approach and thinking. This system is not playable in normal sessions with normal amount of chips. You need to have at least 5k chips to stay safe, which I don't see feasible to do in a real casino. Theoretically, even basic labouchere wins every session (because of just 35% hit rate required on even chances with labouchere which is bound to come in long run in any session at some point of time) but it doesn't make a basic labouchere very playable. Any system will do well in good sessions but a system which can survive the worst is playable. Further, I can never consider playing any method which may require thousands of chips.
Quote from: kingsroulette on Sep 23, 11:52 PM 2011
George,
You are more than correct in your approach and thinking. This system is not playable in normal sessions with normal amount of chips. You need to have at least 5k chips to stay safe, which I don't see feasible to do in a real casino. Theoretically, even basic labouchere wins every session (because of just 35% hit rate required on even chances with labouchere which is bound to come in long run in any session at some point of time) but it doesn't make a basic labouchere very playable. Any system will do well in good sessions but a system which can survive the worst is playable. Further, I can never consider playing any method which may require thousands of chips.
Hello
Why would u need 5k in chips here? U go 4 steps in progression n yr stop loss is at around 40 or max 50u.
Regards
Hello
I will post an example.
7,8,8,5,1,10,11,9,3,2,9,5 last 12 spins
We look 4 streets with no hit here.. 4,6,12 did not hit
We bet 1u on 4,6,12 4 a total of 3u
10 hits in d next spin L
We add 7 from our list because now it is an additional # that didn't hit n increase bet by 1u on each # 4,6,12 n 7 So our bet totals now 8u
9 hits L
We don't add 8 because it hit twice So we bet now 3u on 4,6,12,7 4 a total of 12u
4 hits in d next spin W
We won 13u
F 4 example f we don't get W here we add now 8 n bet 4 units on 4,6,12,7 n 8 4 a total of 20u
Next spin
F W we r 7u down n start over again
F L we r 43u down n start over again
I don't recommend going any further with yr progression but its up 2 you. .
I would also wait 4 2 repeats after 12 spins as a trigger 2 start betting.
Regards
P.S Revision as pointed out by Keel ;D
We bet in our 3rd bet 2u on each # because we did not add # (8 hit twice in first 12 spins) so a total is 8u n our profit is 17u after W
Correspondingly in last step we bet 3u instead of 4u so our finals profits r
0u f W
-36u f L
I apologize again 4 a mistake
Are you supposed to increase by 1 on a loss? I thought you increase only when you add a new street.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 24, 12:44 AM 2011
Hello
I will post an example.
7,8,8,5,1,10,11,9,3,2,9,5 last 12 spins
We look 4 streets with no hit here.. 4,6,12 did not hit
We bet 1u on 4,6,12 4 a total of 3u
10 hits in d next spin L
We add 7 from our list because now it is an additional # that didn't hit n increase bet by 1u on each # 4,6,12 n 7 So our bet totals now 8u
9 hits L
We don't add 8 because it hit twice So we bet now 3u on 4,6,12,7 4 a total of 12u
4 hits in d next spin W
We won 13u
F 4 example f we don't get W here we add now 8 n bet 4 units on 4,6,12,7 n 8 4 a total of 20u
Next spin
F W we r 7u down n start over again
F L we r 43u down n start over again
I don't recommend going any further with yr progression but its up 2 you. .
I would also wait 4 2 repeats after 12 spins as a trigger 2 start betting.
Regards
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now yes, its clear!
will do some test and see how it goes
thx Robeenhuut
vundarosa
Quote from: keel44 on Sep 24, 01:19 AM 2011
Are you supposed to increase by 1 on a loss? I thought you increase only when you add a new street.
Hello
I'm d first 2 admit a mistake. U r right although it won't affect much our bottom line ;D
I just was busy looking at my other system. Sorry. Actually it will affect it.
Yeah we dont increase our bet only of course f we dont add a new number. It will happen f we have streets with multiple hits in our original 12 spins n it can happen quite often.
thanks again 4 pointing this out Keel. D rest stays d same.
So we bet in step 8u again because we did did not add a new# so in case of win our profit is 5u (24-3-8-8=5)
In d next step we increase 2 3u 4 5# now (we added #8) so we bet 15u.
F W we win 2u f L we r down 34u.
Sorry again 4 d mistake
:-[
Regards
Robeenhuut, Robeenhuut, Riding Throught D Glen.........
Robeenhuut, Robeenhuut, With His Band Of Men.........
Feared by the bad
Loved by the good
Robin Hood,Robin Hood
[reveal]Can anyone remember the rest of the rhyme?
For those members and Reading Guests (U still Not Joined yet?...... the Banner disappears then! Huh?)
...who at first did a Double-elbuoD, take on Our most earnest Fellow- Robeenhuuts, short hand prose,
I thought I would construct a small glossary of teminaology:-
Robeenhuut Glossary.
n = an
d = the
f = if
F = If
D = The
W = We
L = Lose/Loss
I will add more as they arrive on the next stage-coach 'Hold- Up'......... ;D
...and @ GLC (George to his friends)
Who's Crispy Biscuit ? :embarrassed:
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 24, 04:08 AM 2011
Robeenhuut, Robeenhuut, Riding Throught D Glen.........
Robeenhuut, Robeenhuut, With His Band Of Men.........
Feared by the bad
Loved by the good
Robin Hood,Robin Hood
[reveal]Can anyone remember the rest of the rhyme? Somebody did, and so quick too, I was able to Modify! Cheers That Person![/reveal]
For those members and Reading Guests (U still Not Joined yet?...... the Banner disappears then! Huh?)
...who at first did a Double-elbuoD, take on Our most earnest Fellow- Robeenhuuts, short hand prose,
I thought I would construct a small glossary of teminaology:-
Robeenhuut Glossary.
n = an
d = the
f = if
F = If
D = The
W = We
L = Lose/Loss
I will add more as they arrive on the next stage-coach 'Hold- Up'......... ;D
...and @ GLC (George to his friends)
Who's Crispy Biscuit ? :-[
:) Chrisbis
Sorry i developed bad habits texting girls in Philippines where i reside 4 d time being.
2 keep up with them u need some shortcuts. But i think everybody understands my posts n my English is my 3rd language so i apologize 4 any inconvenience. Go easy on my posts plz. ;D
N apropo Glossary:
4 for
2 to
more 2 come
My regards n apologies again
You have no need to apologize at all.
And there is absolutely no attack on your posts.
your posts are fab, and your English superb.
I ws, just having a light hearted bit of fun, at your expense, ad when U couple d "RobeenHuut" attribution to it all, U cn see tht its just JEST!.
Thank U for Joining in with D spirit of It, It could become more widespread thn we thk! ;D
Maybe a competition to see who can write the best sentence in this new style of short code!?
[reveal]or even shorter! ::)[/reveal]
QuoteIt could become more widespread thn we thk!
Then I'll stop reading the forum, the problem is, I ignore robeens posts as using numbers as words distracts from the numbers we may be discussing, sorry mate, heres an example that can easily cause confusion
"We bet 1u on 4,6,12
4 a total of 3u"
Quote from: superman on Sep 24, 06:39 AM 2011
"We bet 1u on 4,6,12 4 a total of 3u"
i SEE.
Maybe kept to Letters only then.
Very good point Ur making KNEEL......... ;)
Quote from: superman on Sep 24, 06:39 AM 2011
Then I'll stop reading the forum, the problem is, I ignore robeens posts as using numbers as words distracts from the numbers we may be discussing, sorry mate, heres an example that can easily cause confusion
"We bet 1u on 4,6,12 4 a total of 3u"
Hello Superman
It is simple ;)
Ok before i just got 1 negative feedback on my sometimes cryptologic posts.
Now because of more comments on this i promise to change my ways here.
What counts here is the substance and i will try to keep up with you guys here.
I think that was fairly legible this time. ;D
Regards to everybody
And my apologies again
Great News. ;D
Now we can move on with Prper, Propir, Propar, good Written English.
And the Numbers will take care of themselves!! cheers al
QuoteOk before i just got 1 negative feedback on my sometimes cryptologic
Mate, your English is excellent, better than a lot of English people, you type and spell long words perfect, its the short words you ruin by using numbers to replace letters, maybe I'm just fussy, but if I have to read a post 3 or 4 times to decipher then I just ignore it in future.
QuoteNow because of more comments on this i promise to change my ways here
Nice!!
This actual system has already been posted here over 6 months ago.
I'm not sure who it was though …but I do know the fellow got banned some days later.
He also explained how to use it in roulette extreme with the exact same rules. funny thing though no one here gave it much thought and it just got lost amongst the many methods posted here.
I how ever did test it for a month before using this as one of my 3 main methods and it really does work very well. I also tried swapping from sleeping to trending but never could get the right mix at the right time. I play it the original way now with a 500 unit stop loss. I've been playing it this way for a good 5 months with only ever hitting the stop loss twice now. I must say I only play 2 days a week though.Anyway good luck guys and do give this one a good test as it is a very profitable system IMO :thumbsup:
I was thinking that even a 300 unit stop loss would be appropriate. After just a little experimentation, I am very impressed at how quickly this system will pop up to +50 or +100. Just taking a little caution to avoid the cliff dive losses would make this a solid, solid system.
I think that this system should be history....its a loser. we tested it and it failed...let s move on.
Thanks
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 24, 12:26 PM 2011
I think that this system should be history....its a loser. we tested it and it failed...let s move on.
Thanks
I agree with this, this is one more losing system like all here. But on this forum is some ''experienced players'' like iggiv who thinks that this not problem because he will play this system only one hour per day and after 10 years he will be in profit.....this is very bad theory and he spreading disinformation that some players accept, that is problem. And one my advice for all players ; If the system loses on long run nothing can help him, stop-loss or stop-win will not help or play some other day.. I hope u understand me ;)
......and this one? Delete or keep? Makes no difference to me.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Sep 24, 01:45 PM 2011
......and this one? Delete or keep? Makes no difference to me.
Ken
this instructive topic for many pl, don't delete, if u delete this You can delete all forum..
The author decides this, not you or I.
Ken
I agrre with anything that speed says....
And that s true...in this forum like in all forums there is no winning system....
so If we decide to delete this and that then we must delete all the forum and start fress....then when someone is posting a system and its tested and its losing them the topic should also be deleted.
For my two cents, let's keep it. It's better than a lot of systems on the forum. We all know that in the long run it will lose, but some people may gain a good idea from it.
As long as they know the dangers. If I had to delete every system I've posted that didn't turn out to be a 1,000,000 spin winner, I don't know if I'd have even one left.
I doubt if there would be any left on the forum.
What about Robeenhuut's progression? Has it been shown to be a loser in the long run? It could be the grail and we're just going to throw it out with the bath water?
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 24, 04:08 AM 2011
...and @ GLC (George to his friends)
Who's Crispy Biscuit ? :-[
Sorry, I misspelled your name, Chrispy Biscuit.
QuoteSorry, I misspelled your name, Chrispy Biscuit
Oh crumbs!!
Come on everyone...........
Your saying that we cannot prosper in the game of roulette............?
Although Einstein said the game can't be beat recently it was found that particles can go faster then the speed of Light.............
Quote from: amk on Sep 24, 03:18 PM 2011
Come on everyone...........
Your saying that we cannot prosper in the game of roulette............?
Although Einstein said the game can't be beat recently it was found that particles can go faster then the speed of Light.............
You guys are betting too many numbers......
Quote from: amk on Sep 24, 03:18 PM 2011
Although Einstein said the game can't be beat recently it was found that particles can go faster then the speed of Light.............
Yes indeed, it's very fascinating.
If this is right (they have alot of testing to do before they say for certain I can imagine), then Einstein was wrong along with his relativity theory.
Just like they though the Earth was flat.
If someone lived in a 2D world, say a pacman, it'll understand things in a X and Y, fashion.
The funny part is a person who is 3D-aware. It will also know about X and Y axis, but will have a better understanding of what's going on due to Z.
Of course it doesn't prevent the 2D pacman to find out his world is actually 3D, but by the time he figures out, he's limited to what he thinks and what he's been told.
I would be the first to celebrates Einstein was wrong, that's just how we progress.
Quote from: speed on Sep 24, 01:07 PM 2011
I agree with this, this is one more losing system like all here. But on this forum is some ''experienced players'' like iggiv who thinks that this not problem because he will play this system only one hour per day and after 10 years he will be in profit.....this is very bad theory and he spreading disinformation that some players accept, that is problem. And one my advice for all players ; If the system loses on long run nothing can help him, stop-loss or stop-win will not help or play some other day.. I hope u understand me ;)
Speed, u either misunderstand what i am saying or just try to make me look a fool. i have never said this about this system, on the contrary : i warned about dangerous approach betting on cold, and i was right in the end. but i do advocate hit-n-run, and using different bet selections.
and another thing: all systems lose on a long run, there is no winner on a long run. It does not mean though that You can't win in roulette.
your attitude is just to be winner in argument instead of winning in roulette, so be it. iggiv is a m.o.ro.n, and u r a smart guy.
thanks
because of people like u which can not tolerate other people opinion without trying to push unfriendly kind of talk, i don't want to participate in such discussions. i personally did see this system as a loser from the very beginning, but i said it very carefully, not to hurt some people feelings.
and u want to teach people how to play roulette? don't. because there are real gurus out there which do it much better than u, there is legitimate literature on subject instead of abstract theories told by smart guys like u, guys which are very strong in math and theory and have no clue what real successful gambling really is. Your ideas and approach are far away from reality, but guys like u think so high about themselves that they don't even think about getting real legitimate info on the subject.
Iggiv the maths are maths...and roulette is a mathematical game...this is where the power of roulette is comming from and its killing every player to make money on the long run,....
So there is no reason for someone to know anything about real life and gambling....if he knows the maths of the game then he knows all.....
If a system can t win on the long run then its can not make money consistently....all the money will be back to casino and the player will also lose money from his pocket...end of story.
In simple words , real life gumbling expirience has absolutely nothing to do with winning in roulette.
оh yeah...
you have to pray each day and night to the God of Math, so much u believe that You know "math of the game". U don't need people with knowledge and real life experience (not me, but rather real gambling gurus) when You have your God.
well, that talk does not have sense anymore. Not that it had at the beginning. just waist of my time. good luck with your math in casino. i can see it helped u a lot in finding winning systems one after another. sorry if i am harsh on u. i really wish u good luck in your quest, u really need it. cause nothing else will help in this case, bud.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 24, 06:23 PM 2011
Iggiv the maths are maths...and roulette is a mathematical game...this is where the power of roulette is comming from and its killing every player to make money on the long run,....
So there is no reason for someone to know anything about real life and gambling....if he knows the maths of the game then he knows all.....
If a system can t win on the long run then its can not make money consistently....all the money will be back to casino and the player will also lose money from his pocket...end of story.
In simple words , real life gumbling experience has absolutely nothing to do with winning in roulette.
Hello
i would be a last person to discard it. With my tweak - waiting 2 spins i went 20 out of 20. I know its not a lot but maybe we should do more work on it.
Just a suggestion.
Regards
Yes iggiv I also can see how much the real life experience has helped you winning in every visit of ur Casino. ;D
The things that you say are justified only for a person that hasn t finish the maths of the highschool education.
Real life expirience can not help you winning a mathemetical game....
Its like sayng that ig a man is jumping up and down everyday , eventualy he will fly ;D
He can t fly because gravity can t let him.....this is exactly what is happening in Roulette....no system or no real gubling expirience can help in winning, because maths can t let it.....
If I had a little kid infront of me or a person with brain problem and I had to explain to them the why roulette can t be beaten (make steady profit over the years) i would give them this simple example.
We have 2 ppl. The one has a little rock and he is hidding it in his hand. The other person is trying to guess in which hand the little rock is. And they do this everyday. BUT the rules are like this : WHEN THE PERSON THAT IS PICKING HAND IS WINNING , HE IS WINNING 1 DOLLAR , BUT WHEN THE PERSON THAT IS HIDDING THE LITTLE ROCK IS WINNING ,HE IS WINNING 2 DOLLARS!!!!!!
So even if the person that is picking hand will be lucky and will be infront (in money) on the first lets say 2 or 3 days of playing, eventualy it is dead sure (mathimaticaly proven) that he will lose ALL the money he won and he will give more from his own pocket!
iggiv you haven t understood what maths really is...
Maths are ABSOLUTE , maths are ALWAYS telling the truth and are always sayng the same thing no matter how many years will pass....maths can t be altered ....
1+2 will ALWAYS be 3 . Its absolute.
That s why I am telling you that it seems clearly that you don t have the appropriate education in maths to be able to understand that REAL GAMBLING EXPIRIENCE can not help you alter the 1+2=3
If you want to ban me after this i really don t care.....
I really feel sad being in a forum with a moderator that hasn t understood the SIMPLE and ABSOLUTE things and as speed say you are spreading disinformation because of ur luck of education and you are taking some other members down with you.... Its really so sad.
"""earn more and lose less in long run"""
This is good in words...but in real play it can t be achived.
I'm looking at the graphs that "prove" that this system doesnt work and I don't see a problem making money with the pattern shown in the graphs. All you need is short term, local ups within most segments of the graph and a good stop loss for the few clear down sessions. Systems don't need to be net long term winners. I fact, they can be net winners and useless, since I am not going to sit for 100,000 spins straight ( a bot is a different story, but I understand online casinos ban bot use )
What I need is a system that in most instances has short term net positive balances at some point in the session, even with the help of a negative progression; the willingness to stop before those wins turn to lossess and a provision for sessions from hell, where recovery attemps put all previous winnings at risk. How many systems out there can yield a 1 unit profit at some point and no more than about half a dozen lossing session in a row? Of course, you could look at the following spins and realize you'd given up a 15 or 20 unit profit. Can you live with that? If you can, that's a winning system for you. That same system could go on RXtreme and prove a net loser. And it would make no difference, unless RX exactly replicates your playing style.
That's why my first instinct is always to look for a couple of virtual lossess and a slow progression. I have a problem with 4 sleepers turning into six in this particular case though, which is why I want to try 15 last spins as opposed to 12 and perhaps start only with 3 or 4 double streets. Will have to look into it.
Whatever the HG is, I suspect it will act like a mouse: always be sniffing, fast in , get the cheese, fast out, drop the cheese if the cat sees you and run for cover. Courage in roulette is not a virtue. All new players are corageous, optimistic and bold... I know I was.
Jeromin
"""well my dad achieved for 40 years...he started his own bangles manufacturing unit from roulette earnings..he did it..may be i won't be able to do that....not my dad there are many people here who earn a living out of roulette from past 15 years"""
And why your dad he isn t telling you his secret? :P
""" the willingness to stop before those wins turn to lossess and a provision for sessions from hell, where recovery attemps put all previous winnings at risk. How many systems out there can yield a 1 unit profit at some point and no more than about half a dozen losing session in a row? """
For doing that you also need a system that is able to win in the long run.
This is what most of you can t understand in here !!!
Hit and Run can work ONLY if a system is able to be UP in the long run....and as you saw this one(like all) is failling.
well.if ur looking for a system that would win long term...then i think u should quit roulette...REx...or may be u should start learning roulette again from a scratch ;D
well....if you darrnyf are playing Roulette without a system that is able to win in the long run then I wish to u the minimun LOSES ! Because the loses are mathematical sure ! ;D
Or you should go back to highschool and this time try to study harder the simple maths.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 08:49 AM 2011
"""well my dad achieved for 40 years...he started his own bangles manufacturing unit from roulette earnings..he did it..may be i won't be able to do that....not my dad there are many people here who earn a living out of roulette from past 15 years"""
And why your dad he isn t telling you his secret? :P
""" the willingness to stop before those wins turn to lossess and a provision for sessions from hell, where recovery attemps put all previous winnings at risk. How many systems out there can yield a 1 unit profit at some point and no more than about half a dozen losing session in a row? """
For doing that you also need a system that is able to win in the long run.
This is what most of you can t understand in here !!!
Hit and Run can work ONLY if a system is able to be UP in the long run....and as you saw this one(like all) is failling.
Hello
U should have more faith and conviction in the systems you post. Some of them are just impossible to test. If the system delivers for extended period of time just stay with it. Just observe always some patterns and never play in "automated mode".
U can always learn as u play and improve on it. There is no holy grail out there but anything f.....g close to it is good enough. ;D
You just need a strong foundation you can build on.
Regards
I kinda agree with you Robeenhut if this thing would exist but even a system that is close to holy grail doesn t exist...
They all losing in the rate of -2,7 that roulette is providing....
what about BV no zero REx?
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 09:20 AM 2011
I kinda agree with you Robeenhut if this thing would exist but even a system that is close to holy grail doesn't exist...
They all losing in the rate of -2,7 that roulette is providing....
hello
It is such a cliche. So why bother? People beat this game. It can be done.
It is just a statistical figure and there is more to roulette than pure mathematics and
statistics. ;D
regards
ah dear jordan is back. Hi HI Hi again ....
regards
hamsup
""" there is more to roulette than pure mathematics and
statistics."""
Ok teach me then .... what else is more in this game?
""ah dear jordan is back. Hi HI Hi again ...."""
irrelative
Quotebut I understand online casinos ban bot use
Can you show us where you found this info, as far as I know the casinos have no problem with bot usage, as bot usage up to now just lets the casino win quicker and us lose quicker, would like to see that info mate.
Quoteunless RX exactly replicates your playing style
You will make people scared to buy RXtreme suggesting things like that, the internal RNG of RXTreme is not much different than any other RNG from any coding language, why would the creator of RXTreme want to have his software beat you? if you know different then again please inform us with facts as opposed to what you think or assume.
QuoteIt can be done. It is just a statistical figure and there is more to roulette than pure mathematics and statistics
I think most will agree with that statement, personally I don't think ANY bet selection is any better than any other, most bet selections are built from knee jerk reactions to what you see happening, wether it's matrix formations or the nice colours on the marquee, we see what has ALREADY happened, so don't concentrate on anything that needs too much tracking, you have the same odds if you bet on spin 1 as you would have if you tracked for 20 spins and bet on spin 21, the Same Odds.
QuoteHit and Run can work ONLY if a system is able to be UP in the long run
Again, good statement, if you formed a LWWWLLWWWWLWW test on RNG and did the same thing on a live wheel, the only difference would be ................................ the time it took to form each line. Every evening of last week I tested one method on table 1 @ dublinbet, besides being kicked off a lot as I overstayed my free play welcome, when I put the LLWWWW.... line on the same page as the RNG one, I can see zero difference, none whatsoever, neither platform had more losses in a row than the other, go figure. No wonder the authorities who test the RNG casino for their licence allow its use, its very very very close to the real deal, I know, there's going to be naysayers but hey the only reason most people think RNG is cheating is because you lose so fast, think about it, with RNG you can lose a bank in 10 seconds, 2 or 3 spins, but it would take about 4 minutes for the same on live wheels, its all about time, hit n run forms the same LWWLLWWW printouts as continual play, the fact you dont lose too often is you dont play often, whichj equates to pure luck that you sit down at the right time, the odds are identical, you'r kiding yourself.
As usual only my findings and thoughts, YMMV
What about to turn it the opposite way to bet all coming streets instead of going one?
But the idea is not bad at all.
P.S. I didn't have time to read all the posts, my idea could be already mentioned.
At gambling, math has low lasting explicity. The games are obeying the laws of the nature, like 3/3 law etc.
Hermes
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Sep 25, 09:43 AM 2011
hello
It is such a cliche. So why bother? People beat this game. It can be done.
It is just a statistical figure and there is more to roulette than pure mathematics and
statistics. ;D
regards
totally agree
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 10:55 AM 2011
Ok teach me then .... what else is more in this game?
bud, due all my respect to your stubborness and energy about roulette, u don't want to open your mind and u still expect someone to teach u something u don't believe in. Nobody is gonna teach u, nobody is gonna bring u a gold on a nice blue plate. To learn you have to start it with yourself, and u don't want to start. You r too stubborn to embrace the reality. And Rob is right. there is MORE.
but i don't think u r gonna find out. it is a problem of "tunnel vision", and u r not only the one who has this problem. No one will give u help if u reject it.
i hope u don't take this post as a personal attack. thanx
"""I think most will agree with that statement, personally I don't think ANY bet selection is any better than any other, most bet selections are built from knee jerk reactions to what you see happening, wether it's matrix formations or the nice colours on the marquee, we see what has ALREADY happened, so don't concentrate on anything that needs too much tracking, you have the same odds if you bet on spin 1 as you would have if you tracked for 20 spins and bet on spin 21, the Same Odds."""
AMEN.
Thank God 1 more person with education.
"""bud, due all my respect to your stubborness and energy about roulette, u don't want to open your mind and u still expect someone to teach u something u don't believe in. Nobody is gonna teach u, nobody is gonna bring u a gold on a nice blue plate. To learn you have to start it with yourself, and u don't want to start. you're too stubborn to embrace the reality. And Rob is right. there is MORE.
but i don't think u r gonna find out. it is a problem of "tunnel vision", and u r not only the one who has this problem. No one will give u help if u reject it.
i hope u don't take this post as a personal attack. thanks"""
My post about teaching me was ajoke that I made.
If Roben or anyone else is here knew the way to beat this game they wouldn t be here....but they are here and they are still searching like all of us.
And iggiv I can t take anything that you say as an attack don't worry....I just feel sad for the people like you that are living in the darkand they are spreading this dark to others.
Me
Kelly
Snowman
Turbo Genius
Forester
Laurence Scot
Steve
Superman
Speed
Are some members that they don t live in dark.( i am sure that i am forgeting 1 or 2 more)
Read their posts and learn from them....
I will make a new Topic and we can all chat in there....
This Topic isn t the one to speak about these things.
thanks
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 11:19 AM 2011
Me
Kelly
Snowman
Turbo Genius
Forester
Laurence Scot
Steve
Superman
Speed
Are some members that they don't live in dark.( i am sure that i am forgeting 1 or 2 more)
Read their posts and learn from them....
oh great! u and Laurance Scott! i will have to shut up and admit u r right ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 11:23 AM 2011
I will make a new Topic and we can all chat in there....
This Topic isn t the one to speak about these things.
thanks
yes, please do. maybe Laurance Scott will participate in this too
@ RE,
The problem is you want it both ways. On the one hand you say that no bet selection is better than another, but you also admit that it MAY be possible to win with MM. MM won't work on its own, that's just as certain as the -2.7%, and you know it.
You make patronizing comments and talk down to people but at the same time you're posting systems which according to your logic, can't win. ???
Decide which side of the fence you're on, and stick to it for a change. Do you believe it's possible to be a consistent winner, or not?
As to "hit n run", I don't believe it makes any difference at all, but it can't do any HARM to bet that way, if it makes you feel better. ;)
Quote from: pratikpop on Sep 25, 11:28 AM 2011
well...i think we should end this discussion here and better suggest new ways to make this system work...this is going off topic now :)
i already did almost in the beginning, but not too many really paid attention
Quote from: Bayes on Sep 25, 11:31 AM 2011
@ RE,
As to "hit n run", I don't believe it makes any difference at all, but it can't do any HARM to bet that way, if it makes you feel better. ;)
Bayes and making bet selections wider, using hot streets instead of cold, using other hot trends won't make a difference either? combining this with other bet selections?
for math people this all does not make difference probably, but in reality it does
"""""The problem is you want it both ways. On the one hand you say that no bet selection is better than another, but you also admit that it MAY be possible to win with MM. MM won't work on its own, that's just as certain as the -2.7%, and you know it.
You make patronizing comments and talk down to people but at the same time you're posting systems which according to your logic, can't win.
Decide which side of the fence you're on, and stick to it for a change. Do you believe it's possible to be a consistent winner, or not?
As to "hit n run", I don't believe it makes any difference at all, but it can't do any HARM to bet that way, if it makes you feel better. """""""""""""""
I am glad that u also understand that Hit and RUN can t work....
As for me and MM plans....
Yes ofcource I know that the -2.7 can t be altered with MM or bet (selections)
But I Just trying to make the impossible... ;)
But I am not losing my time in gambling fallacies like Hit and Run stuff....
iggiv,
I use all those approaches you mention, for me that has nothing to do with hit & run. I've written quite a few posts on hit & run in the past (JohnLegend's systems all rely on it). For me hit & run is thinking that it makes a difference keeping your sessions short - nothing to do with bet selection.
Hit & run might even work if you knew WHEN to quit. But merely limiting a session to just a few spins in the hope that you will dodge the losing sequences is pointless and illogical.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 11:40 AM 2011
"""""The problem is you want it both ways. On the one hand you say that no bet selection is better than another, but you also admit that it MAY be possible to win with MM. MM won't work on its own, that's just as certain as the -2.7%, and you know it.
You make patronizing comments and talk down to people but at the same time you're posting systems which according to your logic, can't win.
Decide which side of the fence you're on, and stick to it for a change. Do you believe it's possible to be a consistent winner, or not?
As to "hit n run", I don't believe it makes any difference at all, but it can't do any HARM to bet that way, if it makes you feel better. """""""""""""""
I am glad that u also understand that Hit and RUN can t work....
As for me and MM plans....
Yes ofcource I know that the -2.7 can t be altered with MM or bet (selections)
But I Just trying to make the impossible... ;)
But I am not losing my time in gambling fallacies like Hit and Run stuff....
HIT AND HIDE IS GREAT STRATAGIE.
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 11:15 AM 2011
"""bud, due all my respect to your stubborness and energy about roulette, u don't want to open your mind and u still expect someone to teach u something u don't believe in. Nobody is gonna teach u, nobody is gonna bring u a gold on a nice blue plate. To learn you have to start it with yourself, and u don't want to start. you're too stubborn to embrace the reality. And Rob is right. there is MORE.
but i don't think u r gonna find out. it is a problem of "tunnel vision", and u r not only the one who has this problem. No one will give u help if u reject it.
i hope u don't take this post as a personal attack. thanks"""
My post about teaching me was ajoke that I made.
If Roben or anyone else is here knew the way to beat this game they wouldn t be here....but they are here and they are still searching like all of us.
And iggiv I can t take anything that you say as an attack don't worry....I just feel sad for the people like you that are living in the darkand they are spreading this dark to others.
Hello RE
You know that u never too old to learn something stupid. Its my only reason to be on this forum if you get it ;D
Regards
I understand how difficult having a enlightened conversation can be when there is a moderator that only wants to shoot down and dismiss thoughtful questions and comments. I am afraid that a solid system is being overshadowed by the personal arguments, but I would like to continue discussing this actual, specific method, as I think it has some merits.
The deep losses are easily controlled through some sort of a stop loss that is not too steep to be recovered through the frequent generous gains that we can get through the method outlined here. As a starting point, I looked at the table limit for BV NZ for the lines and found it to be 15. If we were to play to 15, that would be a total of 27 spins that a line has missed. Not that far out of the norm for a single line, but for several lines at the same time, it becomes quite unlikely. How unlikely? After our first 12 spins, suppose we have 4 unhit lines. Our odds of those same 4 not having been hit after another 15 spins will be (2/3)^27, or 134,217,728/7,625,597,484,987 or 1/56,815. We all know that a series exists that will wipe us out - fine! Max loss for 4 lines, increasing from 1 to 15 is 480 units 4*(1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15).
We have 2 options. We can play just up to 7 as a maximum bet, which would allow us to break even (7*12=84 won, with 3*28 lost on the other 3 numbers = a wash), or we can incrementally adjust our bets to the new situation and bet the rest of the progression up to the table limit. Where I was having trouble with this betting method was when I followed R Ex's instructions, I was adding 1 unit to a new line that was just entering the collection of lines not hit in the last 12 spins. By this time, there were other lines that were on 10, 11 or 15 times sleeping. I would hit on the new 1-unit bet, but lose more than I won because of the uneven units placed on the various lines. My new method is to equalize the units across all the lines bet. When I add a new line, I start by betting the same amount on it as I am betting on the other lines. When it hits, it covers the other lines just as well.
In those instances where we have a hit that doesn't get us to a new high, I re-figure where in the progression I am at and bet accordingly. Say my high is 548 (I am always starting a session with 480, my stop loss amount). If, after a win at a higher unit amount, I am at 358, I find that I am down -190 units. I look at my tracker and see that I have 5 lines to bet on. I divide my 190 units by 5, getting 38 units per line. I now look at my progression as detailed below and find that I am greater than level 8, lower than level 9. I would, therefore, begin betting with 9 units on each of the 5 lines indicated by the tracker.
In this way, I spread out the losses and wins to all lines, allowing quicker recovery and more even money management. Currently, I am considering +100 as a session win goal, but would be open to other input. I think that this system can generate +100 in quick order, and have seen it do so numerous times already.
Feedback or suggestions are greatly appreciated!
Level and Cumulative Loss
Level 1 -1
Level 2 -3
Level 3 -6
Level 4 -10
Level 5 -15
Level 6 -21
Level 7 -28
Level 8 -36
Level 9 -45
Level 10 -55
Level 11 -66
Level 12 -78
Level 13 -91
Level 14 -105
Level 15 -120
I understand how difficult having a enlightened conversation can be when there is a moderator that only wants to shoot down and dismiss thoughtful questions and comments.
Thank God someone said it ! Because I wasn t allowed. ;D
Quote from: Colbster on Sep 25, 11:47 AM 2011
I understand how difficult having a enlightened conversation can be when there is a moderator that only wants to shoot down and dismiss thoughtful questions and comments.
that's simply unfair and not true. i am arguing about roulette ways not as a mod now, i use my mod power only when personal insults and attacks are involved. u use my mod status as an argument in discussion where other opinions are present and u do it just because u don't agree with mod's opinion. That's not nice.
i am not going to shut up anybody with any opinion. And especially it is untrue concerning RE.
i spent half a day trying to straight him up to prevent him from banning, and now he is OK and
has no problems with others and our discussion is friendly and anyone can express any view.
i don't agree with him but i want him to keep experessing his ideas and thoughts even though i don't find them quite useful (but that's my personal opinion which does not have to do anything with mod's power).
and again -- i put LOTS OF EFFORTS to leave him here in this forum without much friction between him and other members, and i did it because i find it right to have different opinions in the forum even that i don't agree with lots of them.
so your accusation is unfair and unjustified.
but u can be relieved because i believe i am not going to discuss this topic for long time, it has been no more than waist of time for me personally i believe. the only good thing i achieved is that RE is now can be friendly calm while arguing with other opinions (i hope so).
thanx a lot to everybody, i will try not to disturb your friendly discussion anymore
Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 11:59 AM 2011
I understand how difficult having a enlightened conversation can be when there is a moderator that only wants to shoot down and dismiss thoughtful questions and comments.
Thank God someone said it ! Because I wasn t allowed. ;D
u really feel i was trying to shut u up because i don't agree with u? when i spent so much time explaining u that i don't want u to be banned and want to see u in this forum discussing stuff smoothly?
u make me upset man. but be it.
of course i am glad that u express what u want like u r doing it now -- nice and without getting into personal conflicts. and u will do it without me, hopefully it will make u feel better.
thank u
Ofcource I appriciated ur attitude.
But to tell the truth you are a person that likes be a winner in a conversation and you accuse me of the same.
it is not accusation, it is normal for any human to want being a winner. in anything. this is normal.
the problem is when u waist your time and energy on this when u get nothing in return.
u say i like to be a winner in argument? well, i admit u won this argument. and u have more supporters than i do.
so be it. u won, i lost.
take care bud ;D
Quote from: Colbster on Sep 25, 11:47 AM 2011
Where I was having trouble with this betting method was when I followed R Ex's instructions, I was adding 1 unit to a new line that was just entering the collection of lines not hit in the last 12 spins. By this time, there were other lines that were on 10, 11 or 15 times sleeping. I would hit on the new 1-unit bet, but lose more than I won because of the uneven units placed on the various lines.
It made no sense, I ignored it form the start.
I've always been weary of long progressions but I realise it was my lack of funds and the low min/max of some online casinos.
Your progression total cost multiplies 15 steps by 4. Do you not add and substract streets as they hit and sleep? I did a few tests and the number of qualifying streets is rarely constant at 4.
Jeromin
For the record, I am embarrassed to see that my previous words were misinterpreted to mean that I agreed with Roulette Explorer. I do not. I think that him feeling the need to respond to every single sentence of every single post in response to his post is unnecessary and indicative of an overly sensitive personality. I apologize to Iggiv for my use of the term "moderator". I meant it in reference to the thread-starter, not the capital M Moderator.
In reply to Jeromin, I do change my bets according to the various hits and misses during the session. I find that 4 is a good average number after the first 12 spins, although you could certainly change the bankroll to 360 or 600 to suit your own needs and preferences. If it is less than 4, your bankroll has a better life expectancy. If you have 5 sleepers, your odds are even better for a hit early in your session, so I am much less concerned that 5 would go to level 15 than 4. I was putting this out for discussion, as I think we might be able to salvage this topic before it dies out.
I think that him feeling the need to respond to every single sentence of every single post in response to his post is unnecessary and indicative of an overly sensitive personality
LoL...this is what iggiv also doing...is he sensitive too? :P
And forget the net selection of this system or any other betselections...they don t change a thing
Quote from: Colbster on Sep 25, 02:22 PM 2011
For the record, I am embarrassed to see that my previous words were misinterpreted to mean that I agreed with Roulette Explorer. I do not. I think that him feeling the need to respond to every single sentence of every single post in response to his post is unnecessary and indicative of an overly sensitive personality. I apologize to Iggiv for my use of the term "moderator". I meant it in reference to the thread-starter, not the capital M Moderator.
thanx Colbster for clearing it out
RE,
I think that you should read my first full system, link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3608.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3608.0). As a person who has a huge amount of respect for math and statistics, I think you will find my explanation to be eye-opening. My system gives a complete mathematical advantage to the bettor. It beats roulette mathematically, for BV NZ, European (-2.7%) or American (-5.3%) tables. If you follow the math, you will see that the oft-quoted 2.7% house edge doesn't always exist. The only time that we have a static disadvantage is when we have a static bet, ie: putting a chip on black and spinning for x number of spins.
Math PROVES that my system works. If you have as much faith in math as I do (and you claim to), then you will see that the knee-jerk reaction of "house edge" is a false argument.
Although I haven't even started my research Colbster.........
I have faith that your math is right :)....................
Colbster is what you say is correct then why don't use it to make money and you are still here?
This is what i get when i am opening the link:
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
I may have posted the link incorrectly.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3608.msg32538#msg32538 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3608.msg32538#msg32538)
seems to get me there with no problem. I started playing my original method, and with amazing results, as are chronicled in the original thread. I took my small bankroll to nearly 10 times my starting amount and then made a critical error that killed me: I hit the 50 euro button instead of the 0.50 euro and blew my bankroll in one bad spin. 400 euro out the window! Now, I don't have any extra money to start with again, so I have gone back to playing around with other systems, looking for a better bet selection method to tie in with my staking method. If I can find a better bet selection, I could theoretically turn a modest edge into an amazing edge and be that much better off.
I posted my original method, as well as a version 2.0, in hopes of getting honest feedback and improvement on my method. I am as convinced as ever or the mathematical edge it provides, but I know that it could still be improved on. My money management/progression, for instance, seems to be the weak point, so I spend time playing around with different concepts while the money is still imaginary. When the money is real again, I look forward to having a solid plan that will overcome what the felt throws at me.
Even when I do play real money, I will still spend time here playing with theory. I actually came to roulette as a way to help me go to sleep at night, as my mind runs numbers when I try to sleep. I didn't expect to play with real money, or to find a way to beat roulette. My method seems to have just found me. When I know it works, I will bot it and go back to playing with variations to keep my mind active. I don't feel that I need to defend my work to anyone - they read it and agree or disagree. The facts speak for themselves, and it allows me to put the work out there for public consumption without any fear of embarrassment.
I hope that link works and you find my numbers as exciting as I do.
Best wishes!
The link doesn't work...at least for me.
can you post the name of the Topic for me to search it?
Also you said: My money management/progression, for instance, seems to be the weak point,
Yes but if your bet selections was providing something better than the -2.7 you could be win flat....
Anyway for more understanding of what u say I have to read the topic.
Did you try the second link? It worked for me.
link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=18110.0
Type in Eggleston or Eggleston Betting Method. The link that Tomla has provided is to the 2.0 version, which is an improvement over the first in terms of bet selection. However, the math is more clearly explained in my original post.
You are completely correct about the flat bet being possible, and that will most likely be the foundation of 3.0 when I get around to solidifying it. As you will see after reading the explanation, our expectation will be a little over +3 units every 37 spins on a European table, even after losing out to the 0. Better than +1 in 38 spins on an American wheel, and +5.xx on a no-zero table. The math is right, I just lack the coding ability to do large-scale testing. I have been free-handing it the whole time.
Quote from: Colbster on Sep 25, 08:15 PM 2011
I may have posted the link incorrectly.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3608.msg32538#msg32538 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=3608.msg32538#msg32538)
seems to get me there with no problem. I started playing my original method, and with amazing results, as are chronicled in the original thread. I took my small bankroll to nearly 10 times my starting amount and then made a critical error that killed me: I hit the 50 euro button instead of the 0.50 euro and blew my bankroll in one bad spin. 400 euro out the window! Now, I don't have any extra money to start with again, so I have gone back to playing around with other systems, looking for a better bet selection method to tie in with my staking method. If I can find a better bet selection, I could theoretically turn a modest edge into an amazing edge and be that much better off.
I posted my original method, as well as a version 2.0, in hopes of getting honest feedback and improvement on my method. I am as convinced as ever or the mathematical edge it provides, but I know that it could still be improved on. My money management/progression, for instance, seems to be the weak point, so I spend time playing around with different concepts while the money is still imaginary. When the money is real again, I look forward to having a solid plan that will overcome what the felt throws at me.
Even when I do play real money, I will still spend time here playing with theory. I actually came to roulette as a way to help me go to sleep at night, as my mind runs numbers when I try to sleep. I didn't expect to play with real money, or to find a way to beat roulette. My method seems to have just found me. When I know it works, I will bot it and go back to playing with variations to keep my mind active. I don't feel that I need to defend my work to anyone - they read it and agree or disagree. The facts speak for themselves, and it allows me to put the work out there for public consumption without any fear of embarrassment.
I hope that link works and you find my numbers as exciting as I do.
Best wishes!
Great post Colbster,
Man, can't believe you hit that 50 button.............!
I hope you just started over again, should work right................ :)
Quote from: Colbster on Sep 25, 09:36 PM 2011
I have been free-handing it the whole time.
Hi Colbster,
A very interesting post...In regards to the above comment do you know how many spins you have done and what your plus is on your starting bankroll?
Thank you.
Real money, I took 40 euros to a little over 400 before losing it on the wrong unit bet. That took me a couple weeks of a session or two daily. Grand total, I expect I have done 50 to 100k spins between my various methods, split between play and real money. I'm not a session recorder, but I am comfortably up in the long term.
...er...you mean VIP don't you?
This system is now coded inside of Multi Systems Tracker.
nice work ophis :thumbsup:
cheers hamsup
Thank you very much for your system Mr. Roulette Explorer and for your work Mr. Ophis. :thumbsup:
Quote from: colbster
I took my small bankroll to nearly 10 times my starting amount and then made a critical error that killed me: I hit the 50 euro button instead of the 0.50 euro and blew my bankroll in one bad spin. 400 euro out the window! Now, I don't have any extra money to start with again,
You can now go about your business knowing your not the only one who has done this 'critical error'!
Happened to me yesterday. Cry!
:'( :'(
:embarrassed:
Yep, it append! :'( :-[
Roulette Explorer, you mentioned in your post that "turbo Genius" has posted systems that have passed 15,000 spins and still "won"...do you know where they are posted or what they were, etc...???
New member looking for something with a reasonable expectation of some wins/profits if possible...
Peter
link:://turbogenius.webs.com/ (link:://turbogenius.webs.com/)
beware though, there are NO WINNERS there
iggiv, do u play roulette at all and if so, how do u play (if u don't mind me asking)...
:)
Peter
This is right up my street. Ive been a wee bit obsessed with sectors performing in the law of the third as a single entity, meaning.....0,32 is group 1: 15, 19 is group2 etc. As a single entity, they act with LOTT.
0,0 is 2 hits in group one. 15,19 is also 2 hits in group 2 etc.
All the streets make 12 groups of 3, and over 12 spins some show some double some treble.
I have been trying this idea but not on the sleepers, but on hits of 2 or more.
It has had some success, but still trying different bets. I really like the "revert to 1 chip each tome you are in profit"
If a double appears, I bet on it along with the other repeats. If a double (which I may have 3 chips on at this stage) goes back to 1 hit, I take it off and add a chip to the others. Similar to RE's idea but kinda in reverse. It reminds me of the D'Alembert system where you recoup your losses over a marked period ie. investing in doubles (or sleepers in the other idea) until they come out.
More testing needed
how many units and what is the stop / loss and stop / win recommended this system?
Any - even silly ways can pass 10000 spins. I did once one passing 30000 spins, which was just betting a double street after it hit three times in a row, and got good winnings all the way up to 30000 spins.
Any negative progression can do that, but it will not make it better, as it willl lose in time.
Once I bet 12000 straight up, using 12000 numbers from random.org, and went through plus. It was that time, but I am rather sure it will not work many trials.
Don't wait for holy grail. It could take your whole life and even than you will not see it. If the strategy worked well for 10.000 spin that's excellent! You have to go for years to casinos to bet 10.000 spins. And when the losing day would come but you don't feel like to go to casino you can bet another 10.000 spins and without a loss.
But keep stoploss on your bankroll all the time! When during 10.000 spins you win $17,000 and lose $1,000 you are still huge winner. Don't be afraid of small losses when big wins are expected. Small losses are part of the game.
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: Chrisbis on Sep 24, 04:08 AM 2011
Robeenhuut Glossary.
n = an
d = the
f = if
F = If
D = The
W = We
L = Lose/Loss
I will add more as they arrive on the next stage-coach 'Hold- Up'......... ;D
Oh good, for a while i thought he was saying 'f*** You' when i read 'F U'. LoL, jk. :)
Quote...and @ GLC (George to his friends)
Who's Crispy Biscuit ? :-[
Something delicious? ^-^
It was a joke between me Chrisbis.
Hey George! :thumbsup:
Was just kidding around. :)
Quote from: iggiv on Sep 23, 06:36 PM 2011
the problem is, guys, that u don't know much about real life gambling, buds. u r thinking too abstract categories.
hopefully i did not make u upset
I totally agree. Not a lot of people on this site know about real life gambling.
This is coming from a person who has seen a number come up 6 times in a row. I played it too. Every time adding more chips on the number. People around me laughed at me but after the 6th spin. Who was laughing? No exaggeration.
I hear people keep track of dealers and their number's. I again with no exaggeration. For a full year had a dealer wipe me out, I never won a single session with this dealer. We became close friends. Every time the dealer came to the table, I was told to leave and I would say today you will pay me back. I never saw that day. This is no exaggeration.
People have to listen real life and testing are 2 different issues. Theory everything should work.
I'm still having good success playing this system . Overall profit for the last 2 years 60000+ :thumbsup:
Yeah furple!
People too fast decicde to abandon very good systems... next example is juggler by ignatus - i made over 30000 units with my tweaks.
Quote from: Smoczoor on Aug 09, 08:52 AM 2013
Yeah furple!
People too fast decicde to abandon very good systems... next example is juggler by ignatus - i made over 30000 units with my tweaks.
I've been guilty of that as well. I know that I have to feel comfortable playing a certain system otherwise I seem to loose interest.
I have asked Nick to sheet this for the Excelbot. I will give you a 10,000 spin test in a few days after he completes it.
The sheet is complete and I am studying it.
Will there be any interest?
TwoCat
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 11, 03:30 PM 2013
The sheet is complete and I am studying it.
Will there be any interest?
TwoCat
I'll be very interested Sam. It didn't work for me when I tried it.... maybe I didnt test it long enough.
Thanks. I'll report on this thread.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 11, 05:07 PM 2013
Thanks. I'll report on this thread.
Excellent! I shall look forward to your findings.
Quote from: furple on Aug 09, 07:44 AM 2013
I'm still having good success playing this system . Overall profit for the last 2 years 60000+ :thumbsup:
furple
When Nick makes a sheet, it has RNG capabilities so you can test if very, very quickly. I am using the "no zero" factor and this thing looses far more than it wins.
Could you tell us what was your win goal/loss limit? Are you playing on a real wheel? Single zero?
TwoCat
I think he is playing with your leg. I mean pulling it :)
That is not good!
Quote from: Smoczoor on Aug 09, 08:52 AM 2013
Yeah furple!
People too fast decicde to abandon very good systems... next example is juggler by ignatus - i made over 30000 units with my tweaks.
hi smoczoor, what are your tweaks that you adapted to the juggler system to make over 30,000 units?....(if you don't mind me asking)
At first blush this thing seems to be working very well. I have set the Excelbot thusly: Win goal 20; loss limit 20. Go up one on a loss down one on a win. The D'Alembert floor is set at 2 meaning the D'Alembert will stop and 2 and never go down to 1. I do this because I sometimes--on all sheets--get a ton of wins when the thing reaches the bottom, or 1. So I set it for 2 and win a few extra. Could set it at 3 or 4, whatever.
I am up 22 Euro and have only gone down .50 Euro. Naturally this is play money. I will risk the real stuff when I am confident.
I am digging out a tree stump while testing. If I never come back, you'll know the stump won!
Samster
EDIT: To anyone who wants this sheet, I will give it with Nick's permission. You can use it manually or in RNG mode for testing. You should buy the bot!! (I'm TwoCatSam and I approved that commercial!)
hi, if you can share manual version it would be good just for tracking/playing.
Here is the manual version. You may hit F9 to change the numbers or clear the column and put in your own.
Sam
thank you, lets play a litle bit
I am alive. The tree stump did not win, although he put up an admirable fight!
I ran the Excelbot two more times yesterday and went up around 38 E before BV cut me off and then we had a lightning storm and I shut everything down. Stormy today, but I hope to test some more.
Sam
Tested the xls, copied a few different hundred of live spins... they all end way deep in the ground...
Spin
Thanks for that. I used the RNG function built in to the sheet and it did not do well. However, on BVNZ, it is doing fine. I probably just haven't hit the RFH yet.
Sam
I did check with BV numbers.. what a difference, nice steady up graph!
Then i tried with random generated number.. nice steady graph up!
So it does not look to work with live spins..
what is the difference between BV, RNG and live spins? if it all is random spins?
I just tested this in BVNZ as I botted this in my tiny Yankee thingy. It did well initially to go up about 56 units. Then it went down to about 980units and I gave up and shut the bot after that. The funny thing is I forgot to run in the demo play. 50 EUR hole in my (:(
good days, everyone here has his own bot lol
Yanks
Did you write your own bot?
Sam
Yes Sam. Early days still. Running a crude version from my IDE.
You must be a borderline genius!
I remember...this system was AMAZING!!! I enjoyed so much playing it with the MST sofware!!!
Anybody have it in RX code?
Thanks!
RouletteExplorer.. one of the best :)
Quote from: jarabo002 on Aug 07, 02:55 PM 2014
I remember...this system was AMAZING!!! I enjoyed so much playing it with the MST sofware!!!
Anybody have it in RX code?
Thanks!
Hi Jarabo, what is the system called on MST please
Koolkat
Quote from: KoolKat on Aug 08, 01:30 AM 2014
Hi Jarabo, what is the system called on MST please
Koolkat
Roulette Explorer Street System
is this system for online casinos? how does the software work?
edit: i tried the software, if i was using it properly you wait twelve spins then u bet on every street except 1, therefore if hit street hits again you lose all the profit u had to grind out, so the only thing you can do is a negative progression, correct?
if u risk 11 units to make 1 unit profit
Quote from: furple on Aug 09, 08:11 PM 2013
I've been guilty of that as well. I know that I have to feel comfortable playing a certain system otherwise I seem to loose interest.
Bringing this back
One poster played for 2 years and made 60k units (furple)
I tried this method seems to recover well most of the time, but if the few sleeper streets dont hit it can be scary. I eventually managed to recover when one of the streets reach 31 units and that street won, I was negative 500 something in bankroll at one point.
I think this method is golden when it works but when eventually you have a sleeper street that sleeps for 100+ spins it might fail.
........then variance avoidance is required! !
:wink:
***OMG*** **ATTENTION ! Street system that passed 10.000 spins! ***
What is 10 000 spins passed , nothing ....maybe if win each( or almost each) next 10 000 spins tests then is something.
What is 80 000 spins passed (flat bet)... nothing if do not win each time (or almost) the next 80 000 tests.
What is 250 000 spins passed ....same....
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**I think this method is golden when it works but when eventually you have a sleeper street that sleeps for 100+ spins it might fail**
Sleeper streets- bad, Hot/active street- hmmm...better.
cheers
any RX fiule to share?
any new development in the strategy?
Quote from: gianfrancopierino on Jun 22, 03:19 PM 2021
any RX fiule to share?
any new development in the strategy?
Why would you need it? Go play your holy grail, train your friends and their pets, collect percentage, enjoy the sun on the beach.
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so agressive, i her agresivity is sign of superior intelligence :question: :twisted: :lol: :girl_to: