This is all flat betting. You'll be betting 1-7(?) numbers. This FINE method is based on repeaters.
In the beginning, there is some charting. Have a chart in front of you with all the numbers,
0-36. Do NOT use any past numbers already hit, start fresh. As each number hits, put a little mark next to it. When a number gets to TWO marks, you start betting on that number (level 1).
Continue to track/mark every number that hits WHILE YOU ARE BETTING. Another number with two marks? Continue betting all numbers with 2 marks on it. For how long?
Until you get a number with THREE hits on it, that's a win by the way (level 2). You will now be betting on only the number(s) with 3 hits on it. That might be one number, it might be 5 numbers. It might be one spin, it might be 13 spins. Continue betting until one of those numbers gets to FOUR hits (level 3).
You will now only bet on ALL numbers with 4 hits on it. Remember, continue your tracking. A new number might be added. Meaning, it had 3 hits on it, it gets another hit and now gets added to the latest group. The group with 4 hits.
We are now betting on all numbers with 4 hits on it UNTIL one of those has 5 hits (level 4). Same thing, bet on the number(s) with 5 hits until one of those gets to 6 hits. Then STOP, you are done, start over fresh.
Keep in mind, some fast things can happen. Meaning, lets say you are betting on a number that JUST HIT for the third time. One spin later, it hits again. It can go up to the next level in ONE SPIN. You would then be betting on all numbers (in this case 1) with 4 hits on it. Always continue to track numbers while you are betting all the way to the point of starting over.
This is one rule I know some will forget. You will see (usually, not always) you might have several numbers with 2 hits, fewer with 3 hits, even fewer with 4 hits, only a couple with 5 hits. This method is nice (in my opinion) because it takes advantage of repeaters in clusters, as opposed to repeaters over a longer period of time. I'll answer questions as long as they are not stupid. (link:://vlsroulette.com/Smileys/default/give_rose.gif)
Ken
DISCLAIMER: There are risks involved when playing methods and you can lose alot of money. Not all days are winning days. Please play responsibly and never drive while intoxicated.
SIDENOTE: Remember, we are only betting on one level at a time. That level might have one number in it, it could have 7 numbers in it. As soon as the next level starts, you'll only be betting on ONE number (at first).
Ken
Ken, This is a violation of you're never bet more than 4 numbers at a time rule. :lol: I like it because it's not so single zero wheel friendly. I just ran a quick test to +50. Never in any real trouble. It does take a little concentration.
I especially think starting over with 1 number when you get a new high number of hits by the number is much better than continuing to bet on any numbers that have hit more than twice.
Thanks for a thoughtful system,
GLC
"I especially think starting over with 1 number when you get a new high number of hits by the number is much better" >>> I agree and thanks!
Ken
Quote"I especially think starting over with 1 number when you get a new high number of hits by the number is much better"
I agree too, Ken, over how many spins should the tracking be, I have botted it but chuck all numbers into an array of a set length, obviousley if you go 50 or 60 spins some numbers drop out of the history, do you just let it go as many spins a sit takes to get to the last 6th hit?
Quote from: superman on Oct 30, 07:55 AM 2011
I agree too, Ken, over how many spins should the tracking be, I have botted it but chuck all numbers into an array of a set length, obviousley if you go 50 or 60 spins some numbers drop out of the history, do you just let it go as many spins a sit takes to get to the last 6th hit?
Hmmm, not sure if we are on the same page? When you start to track (starting fresh) you should get a number hit twice, rather soon, within 12 spins. YES, I keep going with all past numbers until that 6th hit. Another thing I do but I hesitated whether to post it or not......there are 4 levels total until we get to that 6th hit. Start out that first level (the twice hit numbers) at WHATEVER dollar amount you feel comfortable with. As we already know, with each NEW level, there will be fewer numbers.
The NEXT level, I RAISE my bets by one unit. Next level, up another unit and the last level (the number(s) with 5 hits) one more unit again. So for example >> lets say you started out at $2 per number for level one. It would then be $3, then $4 and last $5. You have the choice to raise it like I do OR keep all units the SAME for all four levels, your choice.
Ken
We're on the same page Ken, I just needed to know if you had a cut off point if the 6th was taking long to appear, thanks for your answer.
Dont get me wrong, you could play with a stop/loss if you so choose.
Ken
Ken, this is awesome. I've been working with repeats for weeks now, hoping to come up with something this cool. Many thanks. What's the worst you've seen so far?
Sam
I'll answer your concern kind of differently. The worst SITUATION that can happen is in the beginning. Meaning, we have a ton of numbers we're betting on (with two hits) and it takes a long time for a 3rd hit. Remember, as soon as we get that 3rd hit, its only ONE number we're betting on (at first). I have found that a number getting the 4th and 5th hit happen 'somewhat' fast.
Starting out COULD BE long, I won't lie. So far, I am WAY UP (real money) with this method.
Ken
If that turns out to be consistently true we could always start betting with the first triple.
Interestingly, I just saw a number hit 4 times in a row on Betvoyager. That was a first for me.
Quote from: birdhands on Oct 31, 11:30 AM 2011
If that turns out to be consistently true we could always start betting with the first triple.
Interestingly, I just saw a number hit 4 times in a row on Betvoyager. That was a first for me.
A couple of points >>
A) I was kind of thinking the same, start out with the first triple hit. Yes, the waiting/tracking time will increase a bit.
B) You saw the same number hit 4 times in a row? If playing this method at the time, that would of been some very nice hits!!
Ken
Ken,
This is a really elegant method - Nicely done! I had the worst-case scenario just now of having numerous numbers to cover at each of the levels before moving to the next level. By increasing my stake on each level as you suggested (1-2-3-4), I still came out several units ahead by the end. Thanks for the system!
Colby
"just now of having numerous numbers to cover at each of the levels" >>> Can you explain this a little more?
Ken
Yes, this seems a very pleasant method. I´ve just made a small paper test with the first 158 spins of Iggiv´s german live casino spins. These would be 2 games played to the 6th appearence of a number.
Here I found out the following:
just flat betting would leave us with a loss of 1 unit, rising the betsize with every level would lead to a loss of 35 units, but: if we would rise the betsize with every new number by 1, starting every level with 1 unit on 1 number, 2 units on 2 numbers and so on, these spins would leave us with a win of 195 units!
Of course, this is a very small test and the picture could change very fast, but I guess it´s worth a look.
I will do some more tests tomorrow.
What do you think about this tweak?
What I meant was that I had 6-8 numbers covered for a little while at level 2 before a win. After the win, I accumulated about 5 numbers to cover for level 3. Same with 4 and 5. The same several were all hot at the same time, crawling up the charts with enough uniformity to give me some drawdowns along the way. As I mentioned, though, it did recover in the end for a decent win.
Quote from: Colbster on Oct 31, 06:32 PM 2011
What I meant was that I had 6-8 numbers covered for a little while at level 2 before a win. After the win, I accumulated about 5 numbers to cover for level 3. Same with 4 and 5. The same several were all hot at the same time, crawling up the charts with enough uniformity to give me some drawdowns along the way. As I mentioned, though, it did recover in the end for a decent win.
Ok....but as each NEW level started, you were only betting one number (at first) and NOT betting numbers from the lower levels at the same time, correct?
Ken
Correct: After I had gotten my first win of the Level 2 numbers, I went to just betting on that one number for Level 3. However, several reached Level 3 before I could get to Level 4 and so on.
If anyone is interested, some other points were brought up over at VLS1 >> link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=19379.msg141218;topicseen#msg141218 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=19379.msg141218;topicseen#msg141218)
Hi Ken,
Just to add to Colbsters comments have been playing around with similiar ideas recently and you can get a lot of numbers to bet on at certain stages depending on deviation. You could for example have only 4 numbers at stage 1 or 2 to bet on and then 7 or 8 at stage 4 or 5 that stall for a while as other numbers catch up and usurp the original ones you were betting on causing a bit of a drawdown. I think the Albalah stance of waiting out until there are less numbers to bet on, ie let the next stage begin before rebetting can help avoid losses when this is happening.
Woods
"I think the Albalah stance of waiting out until there are less numbers to bet on, ie let the next stage begin before rebetting can help avoid losses when this is happening."
How is this done? What if you miss a win while waiting?
If you're playing a lot of numbers you may still be down, even if you catch that win. Just wait for the next stage, take a break, etc.
Ditto that, Woods. I just got my win at level 5 and ended up losing 50 units. I was up after my wins at each of the preceding levels, but had a long wait before getting my hit at level 5. I had 4 numbers with 4 units each, as I was using the increase-by-1 progression after each new level. That ate up my earlier profits very quickly, so I ended down. Walk away, reset.
There is another tweak some MIGHT be interested in. Put a cap on the levels. Meaning, (only as an example) we only take the FIRST 6 numbers with two hits on it, maybe only 5 numbers max with three hits on it etc.
Good point, bad point........we would LIMIT how many numbers bet but its possible a number MIGHT of hit had we included them all.
Ken
There are so many ways we can go with this, each with their own promises and disappointments. We can virtual bet for X number of spins, hoping to let empty bets accumulate with no risk of capital, and then ideally begin betting for real just before our win shows itself; or we can start a new game whenever a certain percentage of our profit has been eaten away. So Colbster, in your example you were up X units before beginning level 5 betting. You could have walked away as soon as you hit 1/2X. Or you could have virtual bet 5 spins and ended up in the plus. Of course with more conservative play comes missed opportunities...
As far as progressions go, we can play with a positive one, increasing bets relative to the profit accomplished at the preceding level, or do it GLC-style: going into recovery mode on a session by session basis. So if we end up at a loss flat betting then we just begin the next game with a higher unit value.
Just some ideas...
Sam
I dont do progressions for this but I am up nicely so far (knock on wood). You could always have a rule of a stop loss in case things get choppy?
Ken
I was referring to the up one unit per level tweak as a progression.
Ok, got it sir.
Ken
Another consideration (for RNG players only):
I can put BV on autospin and watch the marquis for ideal entry conditions, but what are they exactly? 21 spins without a repeat? 21 spins with 12 doubles but no triples? 21 spins with 3 triples? (The marquis holds 21 numbers). Are we to bet on a sleeping phenomenon or a hot phenomenon? What do you guys think?
You could also flip this at the end. How many spins before you hit the 6 repeat stage? 80-90?
Log the next numbers to come out till you get to 108 spins then play all numbers with 1 hit or less. Again there are variations you can play with this but just flat betting should get you an extra few chips.
MrJ
Been doing this for ages, only just seen the post.
Its simple to track in RX using wheel frequency.
Quote from: Colbster on Oct 31, 06:32 PM 2011
What I meant was that I had 6-8 numbers covered for a little while at level 2 before a win. After the win, I accumulated about 5 numbers to cover for level 3. Same with 4 and 5. The same several were all hot at the same time, crawling up the charts with enough uniformity to give me some drawdowns along the way. As I mentioned, though, it did recover in the end for a decent win.
The attached. I was tinkering on repeats; that to some are no better than random bets.
During the 2nd game; I thought is this the 8 train. I not really looked at it.
But this does seem similar to stop at 6
Early days but Mr J I like it.
Still betting non-hits I just watch how those 16 repeats show.
So a quick win. Would you stop or keep going?
The win at spin 21, #34, was R3. The nearest now were the R1. So it seemed better to wait for at least another R3, even if the #34
hit again whilst waiting. You see the #28 hit on spin32, Now an R3. Commence betting and wow #34 hits again.
Just some comments from the deluded to one expert
Perhaps a lesson learnt
What are you playing notto? A cartoon roulette game?
Jono 1167
Be sending you some post :thumbsup:
Jono more profit
90% :lol:
CRC wanna buy it £1
Jono and Gitano
a quick go with vaddi.
Jono #12, 7 hits
Update; wonder if the Mr J sneaks a peek?
What method are you playing Notto?
Cheers
Ewar
I took these from todays, Jono's games. Taken at random from him.
#22
i have been playing this kind of repeaters for a long time.
there are many ases that there are 10 or more numbers that have hit two times. If we start betting from the first number which will behit two times we will be destroyed.
So the best way is to start betting after 5 or six or more nymbers that appear twice.
But even in this case we can lose all our bankroll.
I have lost a lot of mioney with this system
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 04, 02:42 PM 2020
i have been playing this kind of repeaters for a long time.
there are many ases that there are 10 or more numbers that have hit two times. If we start betting from the first number which will behit two times we will be destroyed.
So the best way is to start betting after 5 or six or more nymbers that appear twice.
But even in this case we can lose all our bankroll.
I have lost a lot of mioney with this system
Hi, I 've noticed that after 20 or 24 spins there are 5 or six repeaters..do you mean these one Huskerdu?
Do you think is the best way ? Why U loose ? how many times you lost ? Did you check it with an excel sometimes ?
Thanks
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 04, 02:42 PM 2020
i have been playing this kind of repeaters for a long time.
there are many ases that there are 10 or more numbers that have hit two times. If we start betting from the first number which will behit two times we will be destroyed.
So the best way is to start betting after 5 or six or more nymbers that appear twice.
But even in this case we can lose all our bankroll.
I have lost a lot of mioney with this system
With a good MM and a decent BR it can be a good method to win
Not a phone or time machine in sight.
Huskerdu's 450 spins. Only needed 150
Taken from PLOP
122 spins :thumbsup: 121 spins all starting 37 hit.
Ewar
Why wait ?
Quote from: huskerdu on Apr 04, 02:42 PM 2020
i have been playing this kind of repeaters for a long time.
there are many ases that there are 10 or more numbers that have hit two times. If we start betting from the first number which will behit two times we will be destroyed.
So the best way is to start betting after 5 or six or more nymbers that appear twice.
But even in this case we can lose all our bankroll.
I have lost a lot of mioney with this system
Did you try waiting and only betting on the repeats that were two repeats ahead of the pack?