I would like to ask forum members to help me. I would like a data with detailed information about another part of a game - who was a dealer, which wheel was that (only if it is sure that wheel has not been changed/maintained during obvservations of spins). I want to found out if there is some underlying rule that would differentiate live game from rng, but I need a lot of data for this for algorithms to find it and avoid random bias. The aim is to find Advantage-play method which could found some specifics for conrete dealers or wheel and adapt to it (hopefully fast enough to make it a real advantage).
data should be in this format
WHEEL <give some identifier to a concrete wheel you tracked>, <layout>, <casino-name>
DEALER <give some number to a dealer>, <name of a dealer (not necessary)>
<number>
<number>
<number>
...
<layout> := european|american
example:
WHEEL 1, european, Wiesbaden
DEALER 1, Kate
13
5
7
0
13
21
14
13
22
0
dealer 2, Pam
14
19
26
17
0
8
DEALER 1, Kate
9
19
18
17
22
DEALER 3, Lucy
19
0
25
5
11
and so on
We need good data in order to move on. Just testing random thought of methods that seems to temporarily work leads to nowhere. There must be SOME reason why the method works, otherwise it is probably not worth testing at all.
also please add if wheel was spining clockwise (=C) or anticlockwise (=A) for each spins
WHEEL 1, european, Wiesbaden
DEALER 1, Kate
13 C
5 C
7 A
...
mr.ore
i guess about a 100spins batch should do, not?!
vundarosa
Any data is useful, but we would need about 10000 spins I think, but if you have 100 spins, please post them anyway. If everyone contributes a little, we would get more data to analyze.
I have a Huxley wheel at home and could send you some data / spin the wheel.
But i apoliges to saying this that i don't understand your topic and what you are looking for.
Release is not random and has a strong bias in casinos - but does not effect the outcome or distance as long there is no strong tilt - one pin game.
Even if i know how you could apply a real physic with a wheel signature before the ball is spun it does not work with out knowing how to take andvantage of the tilt.
We are talking about most 2 or 3 pin game and would at best narrow down sectors of groups with in a range of 18 pockets to reduce the house edge.
There is so many factors missing with this topic.
Quote from: ego on Nov 02, 08:20 AM 2011
I have a Huxley wheel at home and could send you some data / spin the wheel.
But i apoliges to saying this that i don't understand your topic and what you are looking for.
Release is not random and has a strong bias in casinos - but does not effect the outcome or distance as long there is no strong tilt - one pin game.
Even if i know how you could apply a real physic with a wheel signature before the ball is spun it does not work with out knowing how to take andvantage of the tilt.
We are talking about most 2 or 3 pin game and would at best narrow down sectors of groups with in a range of 18 pockets to reduce the house edge.
There is so many factors missing with this topic.
Release number: Zero
Dealer: Me
Ball: 18 mm Ivorine
Tilt: 2 pin game
Is that what you are looking for or any other conditions ??
Ok, if small samples will also bring you forward, here is my session I played this afternoon so far.
If it helps, I can post all my results this way, cause I track the numbers anyway, so it´s no effort for me.
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Roulette1 Europ.Roulette
5 a Nikola
22 c
11 a
20 c
26 a
0 c
15 a
35 c
10 a
19 c
10 a
17 c
11 a
32 c
7 a
30 c
13 a
2 c
4 a
28 c
13 a
11 c
29 a
32 c Rasa
18 a
26 c
31 a
13 c
25 a
26 c
2 a
18 c
16 a
10 c
15 a
17 c
27 a
27 c
27 a
25 c
7 a
27 c
4 a
20 c
23 a
20 c
2 a
30 c
20 a
24 c
19 a
12 c
36 a
12 c
13 a
22 c
3 a
32 c Zenija
2 a
22 c
8 a
22 c
22 a
27 c
3 a
17 c
1 a
30 c
33 a
23 c
15 a
29 c
12 a
35 c
7 a
32 c
17 a
6 c
19 a
36 c
18 a
16 c
26 a
2 c
4 a
13 c
29 a
27 c
12 a
11 c
8 a
0 c Diana
0 a
22 c
22 a
30 c
11 a
13 c
33 a
29 c
13 a
17 c
26 a
6 c
22 a
25 c
6 a
20 c
29 a
19 c
15 a
27 c
13 a
16 c
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If you would like another formation of the numbers, just let me know!
Regards
:thumbsup:
Quote from: ego on Nov 02, 08:20 AM 2011
I have a Huxley wheel at home and could send you some data / spin the wheel.
But i apoliges to saying this that i don't understand your topic and what you are looking for.
Release is not random and has a strong bias in casinos - but does not effect the outcome or distance as long there is no strong tilt - one pin game.
Even if i know how you could apply a real physic with a wheel signature before the ball is spun it does not work with out knowing how to take andvantage of the tilt.
We are talking about most 2 or 3 pin game and would at best narrow down sectors of groups with in a range of 18 pockets to reduce the house edge.
There is so many factors missing with this topic.
Thanks much, I really appreciate it and will definitely look at it on a weekend. The fact is that I believe that there might be some hidden connection between those data and game results, which could be discovered somehow, but I don't know much about the physics of roulette. Are there some good topics around explaining basics?
BTW I selected the format of data in a way that is still SIMPLE TO RECORD, but give at least SOME MORE physical information, it is not that it is really going to be useful, but it MIGHT be useful. I don't really know if it is possible to construct working hidden markov model from such small amounts of data (I'm not talking about number of spins but about information which is recorded for each spin), but it would be nice to have a system that could use as little as possible physical data and still get ANY advanage out of that.
If I downloaded spins from wiesbaden and played a system and then the set ended and RNG kicked in, I could clearly feel and see from the graph (and game) that something has changed, so I have to look into it.
In any way we need a good testing data in general, so if you can do it, just do it, and of course if you can add more information which can be written as a text input, then do it also.
Thanks MadMax for your input, hope it will be useful :thumbsup:
QuoteThe fact is that I believe that there might be some hidden connection between those data and game results, which could be discovered somehow, but I don't know much about the physics of roulette. Are there some good topics around explaining basics?
First we note if there is a right or left handed dealer.
What size the ball have (small ball 18 mm and large ball 20 mm).
Track one direction seperated from the other (clockwise or anti-clockwise).
Note what kind of air pressuer you have.
Note if the wheel is frequent hit 1,2 or 3 vertical deflectors.
Dealers name and name of casino.
That would be the old fachion way to track for a wheel signature.
One would state that if 1 vertical deflector hit 7 times out of 10 you would have a valid situation.
Then you could use release number and outcome to get distance witch would narrow down to a smaller area to aim for.
With today's wheels and conditions it does not work as it is like winning the lottery finding a wheel where the ball strike one vertical deflector 7 times out of 10.
One more issue is that the rotor has different speeds.
Well i can see pepole here write about a dealer to create a winning spin - its like winning on on lottery !!! - but there is exeptions.
I will just mention some basic.
1. First the dealer have to spin the ball with the same strenght/fource - spin after spin - even if he or she does - the ball time traveling will be different from start to end - even if the ball make around 18 19 20 turnarounds - witch follow us to point two.
2. The rotor position will change its place at the end of the spin and have variation witch position it will have - even if the dealer continus puch rotor with same fource - as point 1 time will be different with one extra or one less turnaround to end and time will have its own variation even if all spindevelopment was 19 turnarounds.
3. Even if that is the case, you can take andvantage out of a dealers behavior using conter measuring points to narrow down the spindevelopment to become with a bias behavior and norrow down certan numbers hitting - but then again it would depend on point 4.
4. If there is no drop zone and ball behave chaotic hitting all kind of deflectors with even distribution - there would be no chanche at all to narrow down a dealers spin behaveior to achive to find a signature of some kind.
It is a myth to belive that a dealer by him self can hit sectors or favorite certan numbers - the wheel is more complex then that.
Quote from: ego on Nov 02, 10:44 PM 2011
It is a myth to belive that a dealer by him self can hit sectors or favorite certan numbers - the wheel is more complex then that.
This is wrong. Experienced and skilled dealer can hit sector which he wants.
Few days ago i was playing in fun mode at dublinbet. There was no one at the table playing or standing in close to the tables. As the table on which i was playing, so as the other one. Only two of the dealers with no one else there. They were chatting and laughing in very relaxed mood. Suddenly dealer at the table i was playing made something very strange to me, because i have seen that for the first time. What happened? She (Renata) spun the ball as usual, and when bets closed, 1-2 rotations before the ball will land, she put her point-finger on the number 13 on the board. The number 27 came out. First neighbour to the 13. I was amazed, and momentarely told this to my friend F_LAT_INO. He explained that this is nothing strange. Very familiar to him from his career as a delaer. What is this about? When there is no one playing or standing at the table, sometimes dealers are betting for a drink beetwen themselfs who will spun the closest number...
And yes i know that from a man who can do that, that experineced dealers can hit number which they want, and not to tell about hitting specified sectors i.e 5-10 numbers. It is a joke to them.
And didn't you heard that delaers can have their own "players"?
Regards
Drazen
So if you applyed for a job as a dealer and after you passed your training, if you can't hit i.e. 7/10 times sector which they ask at that moment, it is very unlikely for you to get that job. Casino will look for another dealer.. So much about that myth.
Regards
Drazen
Hi Mr.Ore!
A few more spins for your collection!
Yesterday evening
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Table1 Europ.Roulette 02.11.11
23 a Diana
27 c
21 a
35 c
2 a
13 c
16 a
29 c
13 a
26 c
0 a
13 c
27 a
5 c
15 a
4 c
0 a
35 c
7 a
7 c
12 a
30 c
20 a
25 c Lelde
1 a
36 c
35 a
35 c
20 a
29 c
8 a
30 c
10 a
0 c
35 a
28 c
24 a
4 c
8 a
10 c
19 a
31 c
26 a
1 c
17 a
0 c
0 a
12 c
18 a
30 c
23 a
1 c
25 a
33 c
36 a Zenija
31 c
30 a
22 c
32 a
28 c
31 a
12 c
10 a
9 c
4 a
3 c
18 a
4 c
28 a
0 c
16 a
30 c
27 a
36 c
32 a
27 c
14 a
25 c
35 a
29 c
18 a
22 c
34 a
2 c
9 a
30 c
16 a
31 c
28 a
14 c ----
21 a Olga
33 c Change somewhere
20 a here
23 c ----
30 a
10 c
2 a
0 c
13 a
20 c
12 a
20 c
2 a
35 c
17 a
21 c
3 a
32 c
3 a
23 c
28 a
36 c
17 a
17 c
16 a
26 c
9 a
11 c
24 a
21 c
21 a
20 c Julija
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9 c
4 a
21 c
18 a
0 c
30 a
10 c
21 a
19 c
32 a
10 c
1 a
23 c
6 a
11 c
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22 a
14 c
9 a
22 c
13 a
4 c
34 a
13 c
22 a
5 c
33 a
22 c
26 a
33 c
23 a
8 c
23 a Lelde
20 c
14 a
2 c
22 a
11 c
30 a
6 c
30 a
2 c
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8 c
36 a
29 c
6 a
30 c
23 a
28 c
23 a
25 c
6 a
36 c
16 a
24 c
36 a
14 c
32 a
26 c
8 a
2 c
29 a
32 c
18 a
[/reveal]
this morning
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Table2 Europ.Roulette 03.11.11
8 a Nellija
33 c
23 a
12 c
29 a
7 c
13 a
6 c
6 a
32 c
7 a
35 c
29 a
13 c
7 a
5 c
35 a
25 c
25 a
31 c
31 a
13 c
4 a
0 c
28 a
22 c
19 a
15 c
4 a
35 c
34 a
9 c
4 a
31 c
22 a
26 c Natalija
26 a
0 c
19 a
20 c
8 a
27 c
2 a
15 c
12 a
25 c
14 a
15 c
24 a
11 c
24 a
22 c
15 a
8 c
12 a
23 c
7 a
27 c
17 a
16 c
15 a
33 c
34 a
29 c
22 a
0 c
36 a
36 c
1 a Keita
14 c
27 a
0 c
13 a
5 c
11 a
11 c
14 a
23 c
19 a
17 c
30 a
27 c
29 a
30 c
26 a
10 c
22 a
17 c
17 a
13 c
35 a
13 c
30 a
12 c
13 a
28 c
2 a
19 c
23 a
22 c Rudolfs
32 a
7 c
29 a
7 c
5 a
3 c
15 a
34 c
5 a
13 c
20 a
15 c
[/reveal]
and this evening
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Table1 Europ.Roulette 03.11.11
31 a Sandra
27 c
18 a
15 c
9 a
4 c
12 a
26 c
3 a
36 c Gunta
29 a
26 c
20 a
11 c
18 a
15 c
19 a
0 c
33 a
3 c
2 a
31 c
10 a
33 c
16 a
9 c
30 a
5 c
25 a
13 c
24 a
27 c
24 a
1 c
7 a
27 c
32 a
31 c
9 a
25 c Victoria
19 a
27 c
13 a
30 c
0 a
14 c
5 a
7 c
32 a
13 c
25 a
17 c
32 a
22 c
8 a
12 c
36 a
11 c
7 a
31 c
29 a
18 c
5 a
31 c
2 a
27 c
10 a
8 c
3 a
8 c
15 a
20 c
15 a Emilija
22 c
30 a
16 c
31 a
19 c
5 a
31 c
28 a
32 c
15 a
31 c
27 a
19 c
32 a
33 c
35 a
11 c
0 a
29 c
16 a
13 c
31 a
30 c
30 a
27 c
16 a
12 c
10 a
15 c
9 a Lelde
19 c
34 a
8 c
7 a
18 c
5 a
0 c
13 a
11 c
[/reveal]
Thanks ;)
Quote from: drazen_cro on Nov 03, 05:30 AM 2011
This is wrong. Experienced and skilled dealer can hit sector which he wants.
Few days ago i was playing in fun mode at dublinbet. There was no one at the table playing or standing in close to the tables. As the table on which i was playing, so as the other one. Only two of the dealers with no one else there. They were chatting and laughing in very relaxed mood. Suddenly dealer at the table i was playing made something very strange to me, because i have seen that for the first time. What happened? She (Renata) spun the ball as usual, and when bets closed, 1-2 rotations before the ball will land, she put her point-finger on the number 13 on the board. The number 27 came out. First neighbour to the 13. I was amazed, and momentarely told this to my friend F_LAT_INO. He explained that this is nothing strange. Very familiar to him from his career as a delaer. What is this about? When there is no one playing or standing at the table, sometimes dealers are betting for a drink beetwen themselfs who will spun the closest number...
And yes i know that from a man who can do that, that experineced dealers can hit number which they want, and not to tell about hitting specified sectors i.e 5-10 numbers. It is a joke to them.
And didn't you heard that delaers can have their own "players"?
Regards
Drazen
oh man that's quite a story!
yes, i believe it. They can do it.
Quote
This is wrong. Experienced and skilled dealer can hit sector which he wants.
Well i wont argue with you as i know you are wrong.
Todays sessions: (please note, there are several shorter seesions over the day)
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Table1 Europ.Roulette 04.11.11
4 a Zenija
28 c
25 a
7 c
10 a
12 c
32 a
13 c
24 a
25 c
11 a
22 c
16 a
29 c
18 a
14 c
13 a
30 c
11 a
22 c
1 a
36 c
29 a
24 c
10 a
16 c
30 a
17 c
26 a
17 c
14 a
8 c
11 a
17 c
9 a
12 c Dana
10 a
29 c
5 a
29 c
16 a
2 c
22 a
8 c
25 a
24 c
2 a
21 c
8 c Angelica
24 a
24 c
9 a
28 c
32 a
23 c
28 a
16 c
16 a
22 c
10 a
22 c
9 a Dana
24 c
7 c Nikola
3 a
15 c
36 a
15 c
0 a
32 c
15 a
29 c
31 a
15 c
13 a
23 c
33 a
33 c
31 a
7 c
22 a Angelica
5 c
35 a
18 c
5 a
22 c
18 a
26 c
10 a
15 c
13 a
9 c
30 a
18 c
1 a
36 c
16 a
5 c
22 a
32 c
9 a
12 c
8 a
24 c
22 a
12 c
27 a
0 c
27 a
10 c
24 a
10 c
33 a
25 c
3 a Kristine
26 c
29 a
18 c
13 a
35 c
23 a
1 c
19 a
24 c
5 a
4 c
29 a
18 c
11 a
12 c
32 a
23 c
18 a
4 c
8 a
1 c
12 a
36 c
34 a
28 c
22 a
36 c
15 a Dana
13 c
35 a
19 c
11 a
16 c
20 a
2 c
25 a
14 c
31 a
14 c
20 a
7 c
25 a
2 c
28 a
23 c --
35 a Kristiana
15 c
1 a
5 c
19 a
32 c
20 a
6 c
4 a
13 c
25 a
26 c
31 a
13 a Kristiana
32 c
15 a
28 c
2 a
6 c
17 a
15 c
27 a
1 c
27 a
36 c
1 a Vija
13 c
35 a
23 c
32 a
16 c
33 a
7 c
25 a
19 c
24 a
27 c
29 a
6 c
18 a
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And the next ones:
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Table1 Europ.Roulette 05.11.11
13 c Klara
35 a
13 c
35 a
28 c
11 a
26 c
17 a
31 c
27 a
8 c
26 a
14 c
21 a
34 c
19 a
30 c
16 a
34 c
6 a
30 c
8 a
35 c
33 a
20 c
9 a
20 c
4 a
2 c
5 a
2 c --
28 a Diana
13 c somewhere
0 a here
21 c --
18 a
30 c
33 a
11 c
20 a
26 c
21 a
32 c
15 a
16 c
27 a
24 c
35 a
8 c
31 a
3 c
29 a
11 c
17 a
28 c
28 a
25 c
36 a
22 c
27 a
29 c
14 a
29 c
15 a Zenija
2 c
9 a
21 c
29 a
34 c
24 a
8 c
36 a
36 c
27 a
23 c
26 a
5 c
30 a
16 c
22 a
16 c
34 a
20 c
21 a
10 c
5 a
25 c
11 a
34 c
2 a
30 c
26 a
34 c
15 a
4 c
4 a
3 c
23 a
5 c
break
32 c Kristine
2 a
7 c
36 a
18 c
16 a
14 c
11 a
9 c
28 a
4 c
2 a
3 c
13 a
32 c
34 a
23 c
35 a
17 c
26 a
21 c
3 a Kristiana
1 c
29 a
5 c
29 a
22 c
29 a
24 c
16 a
31 c
32 a
12 c
9 a
7 c
31 a
10 c
17 a
30 c
22 a
17 c
12 a
14 c
break
14 a Liena
4 c
5 a
22 c
17 a
26 c
31 a
3 c
16 a
16 c
20 a
16 c
13 a
9 c
31 a
9 c
30 a
1 c
10 a
22 c
3 a
3 c
23 a
27 c
8 a
20 c
5 a
22 c
18 a Viktoria
21 c
30 a
0 c
31 a
33 c
36 a
10 c
13 a
29 c
13 a
36 c
23 a
18 c
3 a break
0 c Julija
16 a
25 c
34 a
6 c
4 a
24 c
20 a
22 c
36 a
24 c
1 a
10 c
22 a
22 c
10 a
33 c
30 a
6 c
36 a
0 c
11 a
17 c
12 a
29 c
3 a
7 c
18 a
23 c
34 a
32 c
31 a Jana
26 c
3 a
6 c
27 a
36 c
13 a
16 c
16 a
17 c
24 a
32 c
1 a
27 c
19 a
28 c
34 a
12 c
14 a
25 c
30 a
33 c
13 a
34 c
10 a
28 c
12 a
28 c
4 a
35 c
21 a
1 c
10 a
22 c
36 a Viktoria
9 c
25 a
16 c
14 a
0 c
10 a
11 c
10 a
21 c
7 a
21 c
31 a
25 c
20 a
27 c
12 a
9 c
35 a
2 c
21 a
25 c
34 a
24 c
4 a
31 c
4 a
7 c
17 a
18 c
20 a
31 c
5 a
16 c
28 a
16 c Madara
28 a
11 c
24 a
6 c
25 a
0 c
6 a
21 c
19 a
14 c
22 a
12 c
20 a
23 c
35 a
6 c
35 a
14 c
31 a
20 c
23 a
20 c
36 a
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Nice collection, thanks ;)
So many spins for just 7 units >:(:
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Table1 Europ.Roulette 06.11.11
29 a 1
22 c
33 a
10 c
2 a
26 c
25 a
29 c
26 a
31 c
0 a
20 c
22 a
21 c
7 a
17 c
30 a
0 c
14 a
32 c
23 a
32 c
24 a
36 c
28 a
18 c
27 a Sandra
7 c
32 a
36 c
0 a
24 c
8 a
30 c
33 a
16 c
30 a
5 c
24 a
8 c
24 a
27 c
27 a
19 c
3 a
23 c
19 a
14 c
6 a
11 c
4 a
13 c
33 a
9 c
1 a
26 c
6 a
25 c Klara
30 a
27 c
24 a
30 c
22 a
13 c
16 a
27 c
23 a
19 c
1 a
30 c
20 a
33 c
12 a
11 c
26 a
17 c
29 a
14 c
12 a
24 c
29 a
33 c
36 a
26 c
35 a
14 c
36 a
16 c
17 c Maija Table 2
5 a
2 c
33 a
35 c
12 a
31 c
33 a
27 c
10 a
17 c
9 a
13 c
12 a
24 c
28 a
36 c
36 a
3 c
0 a
0 c
4 a
22 c
26 a
36 c
26 a
1 c
24 a
22 c
9 a
6 c
36 a
20 c
36 a
1 c
22 c Kristiana Table 1
22 a
34 c
23 a
11 c
22 a
36 c
10 a
9 c
10 a
14 c
32 a
27 c
7 a
4 c
36 a
29 c
27 a
31 c
12 a
23 c
8 a
34 c
23 a
23 c
30 a
15 c
6 a
24 c
2 a
35 c
32 a
3 c
23 a
11 c Rita
26 a
19 c
16 a
22 c
17 a
32 c
1 a
15 c
23 a
2 c
6 a
32 c
16 a
33 c
4 a
31 c
10 a
19 c
16 a
5 c
5 a
32 c
13 a
36 c
22 a
2 c
12 a
24 c
18 a
18 c
22 a
22 c
34 a
break
21 a Kristine
21 c
26 a
24 c
18 a
31 c
5 a
31 c
28 a
2 c Kristiana
21 a
19 c
22 a
29 c
17 a
5 c
4 a
4 c
6 a
22 c
30 a
1 c
10 a
19 c
20 a
12 c
8 a
13 c
4 a
3 c
22 a
29 c
6 a
26 c
24 a
29 c
22 a
1 c
33 a
27 c
break
4 c Kristiana
16 a
23 c
23 a
9 c
22 a
12 c
33 a
28 c
9 a
16 c
26 a
14 c
16 a
34 c
9 a
4 c
17 a
32 c
8 a
5 c
26 a
4 c
20 a
0 c
5 a
19 c
19 a
7 c
14 a
25 c Rita
4 a
3 c
13 a
22 c
12 a
8 c
31 a
28 c
31 a
3 c
7 a
19 c
1 a
19 c
14 a
22 c
7 a
21 c
23 a
30 c
29 a
33 c
28 a
3 c
0 a
12 c
14 a
24 c
26 a
13 c
29 a
2 c Kristine
29 a
6 c
28 a
21 c
21 a
break
12 c Kristine
33 a
34 c
28 a
17 c
6 a
14 c
16 a
18 c
14 a
12 c
17 a
8 c
0 a
29 c
18 a Kristiana
26 c
break
1 a Rita
27 c
2 a
28 c
17 a
21 c
28 a
9 c
8 a
34 c
26 a
1 c Kristine
33 a
24 c
4 a
18 c
27 a
31 c
8 a
5 c
24 a
30 c
30 a
27 c
22 a
9 c
21 a
24 c
7 a
29 c
6 a
4 c
29 a
27 c
13 a
17 c
13 a
26 c
4 a
2 c
17 a
36 c Kristiana
2 a
26 c
10 a
14 c
1 a
26 c
2 a
1 c
14 a
0 c
12 a
4 c
3 a
35 c
15 a
19 c
28 a
break
Anete
31 a
27 c
30 a
8 c
7 a
8 c
25 a
20 c
28 a
24 c
11 a
21 c
29 a
24 c Madara
12 a
8 c
34 a
29 c
23 a
9 c
24 a
36 c
20 a
8 c
2 a
7 c
10 a
33 c
23 a
31 c
25 a
23 c
21 a
5 c
8 a
17 c
29 a
7 c
29 a
19 c
21 a
35 c
22 a
15 c
1 a
24 c
27 a
22 c Liena
25 a
28 c
16 a
11 c
15 a
23 c
13 a
8 c
13 a
24 c
35 a
1 c
5 a
28 c
23 a
25 c
18 a
6 c
30 a
20 c
19 a
11 c
26 a
22 c
6 a
23 c
26 a
0 c
23 a
7 c
25 a
0 c
27 a Viktoria
28 c
33 a
18 c
22 a
19 c
19 a
25 c
7 a
4 c
26 a
2 c
[/reveal]
mr.ore here is some live spins from me to compare with if you want ...
Wheel singel zero
Huxley with low frets
18mm Teflon ball
Rotation around 3.0
Direction CW
Tilt 2 pin game
Dealer ME
[table=]
Spin, Release, Outcome,
1, 0, 12,
2, 0, 26,
3, 0, 26,
4, 0, 32,
5, 0, 17,
6, 0, 14,
7, 0, 34,
8, 0, 36,
9, 0, 27,
10, 0, 29,
11, 0, 23,
12, 0, 27,
13, 0, 29,
14, 0, 16,
15, 0, 11,
16, 0, 34,
17, 0, 28,
18, 0, 27,
19, 0, 16,
20, 0, 25,
21, 0, 29,
22, 0, 17,
23, 0, 13,
24, 0, 32,
25, 0, 20,
26, 0, 11,
27, 0, 31,
28, 0, 24,
29, 0, 36,
30, 0, 34,
31, 0, 7,
32, 0, 26,
33, 0, 31,
34, 0, 9,
35, 0, 36,
36, 0, 24,
37, 0, 29,
38, 0, 13,
39, 0, 6,
40, 0, 32,
41, 0, 22,
42, 0, 10,
43, 0, 15,
44, 0, 16,
45, 0, 3,
46, 0, 3,
47, 0, 20,
48, 0, 19,
49, 0, 22,
50, 0, 35,
51, 0, 6,
52, 0, 24,
53, 0, 30,
54, 0, 12,
55, 0, 9,
56, 0, 17,
57, 0, 13,
58, 0, 14,
59, 0, 1,
60, 0, 20,
61, 0, 19,
62, 0, 34,
63, 0, 15,
64, 0, 3,
65, 0, 3,
66, 0, 21,
67, 0, 2,
68, 0, 26,
69, 0, 11,
70, 0, 12,
71, 0, 0,
72, 0, 25,
73, 0, 22,
74, 0, 31,
75, 0, 14,
76, 0, 24,
77, 0, 5,
78, 0, 21,
79, 0, 14,
80, 0, 12,
81, 0, 11,
82, 0, 29,
83, 0, 1,
84, 0, 8,
85, 0, 22,
86, 0, 1,
87, 0, 7,
88, 0, 21,
89, 0, 5,
90, 0, 22,
91, 0, 1,
92, 0, 2,
93, 0, 34,
94, 0, 16,
95, 0, 24,
96, 0, 17,
97, 0, 34,
98, 0, 32,
99, 0, 32,
100, 0, 10,
Copy and paste:
12
26
26
32
17
14
34
36
27
29
23
27
29
16
11
34
28
27
16
25
29
17
13
32
20
11
31
24
36
34
7
26
31
9
36
24
29
13
6
32
22
10
15
16
3
3
20
19
22
35
6
24
30
12
9
17
13
14
1
20
19
34
15
3
3
21
2
26
11
12
0
25
22
31
14
24
5
21
14
12
11
29
1
8
22
1
7
21
5
22
1
2
34
16
24
17
34
32
32
10
Wheel singel zero
Huxley with low frets
18mm Teflon ball
Rotation around 3.0
Direction CW
Tilt 2 pin game
Dealer ME
[table=]
Spins, Release, Outcome,
1, 0, 10,
2, 0, 5,
3, 0, 29,
4, 0, 26,
5, 0, 1,
6, 0, 34,
7, 0, 8,
8, 0, 29,
9, 0, 8,
10, 0, 32,
11, 0, 33,
12, 0, 10,
13, 0, 0,
14, 0, 6,
15, 0, 29,
16, 0, 12,
17, 0, 3,
18, 0, 30,
19, 0, 2,
20, 0, 36,
21, 0, 34,
22, 0, 21,
23, 0, 36,
24, 0, 21,
25, 0, 12,
26, 0, 28,
27, 0, 19,
28, 0, 7,
29, 0, 10,
30, 0, 17,
31, 0, 35,
32, 0, 14,
33, 0, 18,
34, 0, 28,
35, 0, 26,
36, 0, 34,
37, 0, 13,
38, 0, 4,
39, 0, 6,
40, 0, 3,
41, 0, 32,
42, 0, 4,
43, 0, 35,
44, 0, 24,
45, 0, 24,
46, 0, 32,
47, 0, 7,
48, 0, 12,
49, 0, 30,
50, 0, 22,
51, 0, 3,
52, 0, 35,
53, 0, 36,
54, 0, 24,
55, 0, 25,
56, 0, 25,
57, 0, 17,
58, 0, 30,
59, 0, 28,
60, 0, 23,
61, 0, 26,
62, 0, 23,
63, 0, 9,
64, 0, 33,
65, 0, 21,
66, 0, 14,
67, 0, 7,
68, 0, 8,
69, 0, 24,
70, 0, 24,
71, 0, 32,
72, 0, 20,
73, 0, 16,
74, 0, 2,
75, 0, 22,
76, 0, 15,
77, 0, 1,
78, 0, 15,
79, 0, 5,
80, 0, 26,
81, 0, 1,
82, 0, 33,
83, 0, 35,
84, 0, 26,
85, 0, 10,
86, 0, 27,
87, 0, 16,
88, 0, 11,
89, 0, 23,
90, 0, 15,
91, 0, 10,
92, 0, 33,
93, 0, 6,
94, 0, 13,
95, 0, 26,
96, 0, 16,
97, 0, 22,
98, 0, 25,
99, 0, 29,
100, 0, 31,
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10
5
29
26
1
34
8
29
8
32
33
10
0
6
29
12
3
30
2
36
34
21
36
21
12
28
19
7
10
17
35
14
18
28
26
34
13
4
6
3
32
4
35
24
24
32
7
12
30
22
3
35
36
24
25
25
17
30
28
23
26
23
9
33
21
14
7
8
24
24
32
20
16
2
22
15
1
15
5
26
1
33
35
26
10
27
16
11
23
15
10
33
6
13
26
16
22
25
29
31
And here my todays spins:
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Table1 Europ.Roulette 07.11.11
2 c Angelica
3 a
8 c
28 a
30 c
16 a
1 c
0 a
3 c
14 a
25 c
33 a
3 c
3 a
7 c
13 a
14 c
30 a
21 c
4 a
31 c
15 a
6 c
19 a
33 c
19 a
30 c
1 a
10 c
19 a
26 c
12 a
23 c
23 a Dana
3 c
0 a
17 c
16 a
5 c
16 a
17 c
14 a
23 c
7 a
16 c
35 a
30 c
9 a
21 c
13 a
16 c
29 a
4 c
29 a
16 c
2 a
36 c
34 a
30 c
30 a
34 c
19 a
4 c ---
23 a Gundega
2 c ---
10 a
19 c
3 a
14 c
15 a
22 c
17 a
13 c
18 a
26 c
28 a
8 c
0 a
16 c
7 a
22 c
22 a
28 c
7 a
8 c
25 a
9 c
17 a
28 c
1 a
34 c
28 a
16 c
36 a
32 c
1 a
27 c
18 a
36 c
35 a
28 c
9 a
6 c Inna
23 a
29 c
22 a
30 c
15 a
20 c
31 a
19 c
2 a
14 c
31 a
10 c
26 a
7 c
27 a
16 c
33 a
16 c
29 a
2 c
13 a
20 c
17 a
7 c
7 a
8 c
2 a
24 c
26 a
8 c
11 a
6 c
36 a
24 c
25 a Madara
18 c
19 a
14 c
25 a
32 c
9 a
16 c
13 a
12 c
15 a
20 c
36 a
3 c
32 a
4 c
19 a
29 c
13 a
31 c
20 a
23 c
24 a
31 c
27 a
1 c
34 a
24 c
19 a
14 c
4 a
21 c
16 a
34 c
0 a
10 c Nikola
34 a
0 c
19 a
24 c
32 a
27 c
23 a
15 c
8 a
32 c
16 a
15 c
8 a
27 c
15 a
21 c
19 a
27 c
16 a
28 c
25 a
19 c
34 a
0 c
0 a
5 c
16 a
32 c
24 a
24 c
8 a
32 c Gundega
14 a
1 c
1 a
20 c
17 a
27 c
32 a
0 c
2 a
21 c
15 a
12 c
33 a
17 c
21 a
21 c
9 a
23 c
1 a
break
30 c Dana
4 a
14 c
14 a
27 c
20 a
4 c
26 a
27 c
15 a
16 c
29 a
10 c
30 a
31 c
1 a
0 c
21 a
16 c
21 a
22 c
17 a
5 c
2 a
0 c
36 a
30 c
4 a
34 c Nikola
28 a
35 c
2 a
26 c
break
22 c Angelica
14 a
1 c
34 a
17 c
21 a
3 c
1 a
29 c
6 a
27 c
11 a
4 c
5 a
17 c
30 a
break
34 c
2 a
22 c
1 a
27 c
34 a
28 c
36 a
32 c
6 a
21 c
31 a
16 c
11 a
27 c
13 a
24 c
10 a
33 c Dana
31 a
4 c
25 a
13 c
4 a
16 c
31 a
7 c
11 a
29 c
28 a
3 c
19 a
16 c
32 a
15 c
17 a
31 c
12 a
31 c
19 a
12 c
3 a
24 c
26 a
13 c
27 a
0 c
34 a
35 c
33 a
25 c
2 a
36 c
21 a
27 c
8 a
10 c
23 a
14 c
6 a
33 c
11 a
22 c
1 a
28 c
30 a
28 c
32 a
19 c
18 a
5 c
23 a
24 c
35 a
4 c
13 a
24 c
36 a
12 c
0 a
1 c
25 a Liena
18 c
17 a
0 c
31 a
12 c
7 a
35 c
1 a
19 c
22 a
15 c
20 a
30 c
0 a
31 c
11 a
2 c
22 a
32 c
8 a
2 c
33 a
25 c
17 a
36 c
2 a
14 c
9 a
12 c
23 a
11 c
24 a
23 c
23 a Kristine
34 c
22 a
10 c
7 a
[/reveal]
Today I have not so many spins for you!
[reveal]Playtech live wheel/21nova Table1 Europ.Roulette 08.11.11
24 a Liga
27 c
27 a
4 c
29 a
15 c
2 a
0 c
27 a
4 c
33 a
14 c
34 a
22 c
4 a
23 c
1 a Rita
2 c
13 a
17 c
14 a
19 c
19 a
26 c
23 a
24 c
0 a
17 c
25 a
21 c
1 a
29 c
22 a
11 c
18 a
22 c
15 a
36 c
19 a
17 c
29 a
7 c
36 a
18 c
19 a
25 c
25 a
28 c
20 a
2 c Skeidra
28 a
28 c
9 a
30 c
32 a
2 c
34 a
21 c
18 a
5 c
12 a
20 c
break
7 c Elena
27 a
29 c
1 a
25 c
2 a
20 c
19 a
25 c
23 a
17 c
26 a
11 c
30 a
32 c
0 a
17 c
7 a
20 c
13 a
17 c
6 a
13 c
14 a
7 c
3 a
26 c
8 a
0 c
28 a
14 c
24 a
18 c
12 a Angelica
22 c
26 a
17 c
32 a
26 c
1 a
16 c
[/reveal]
PaddyPower Airball wheel Europ.Roulette 15.11.11
[reveal]
1 c
23 a
29 c
18 a
29 c
30 a
11 c
9 a
20 c
21 a
15 c
27 a
32 c
8 a
20 c
22 a
13 c
19 a
6 c
25 a
0 c
24 a
25 c
25 a
5 c
17 a
32 c
14 a
7 c
32 a
1 c
17 a
27 c
17 a
23 c
19 a
29 c
1 a
21 c
2 a
33 c
2 a
10 c
25 a
31 c
26 a
1 c
20 a
30 c
24 a
35 c
17 a
17 c
9 a
12 c
7 a
25 c
6 a
34 c
0 a
4 c
0 a
20 c
13 a
0 c
2 a
1 c
23 a
29 c
22 a
5 c
36 a
7 c
25 a
1 c
13 a
29 c
18 a
17 c
31 a
[/reveal]
vundarosa
Consider everything that happens to the ball from start to finish, every little detail, and you will have more variables to consider. Dealer is just one variable. Then find the relationship between the variables, other variables, and spin outcomes.
...and if there is a cat on the wheel, chasing the little ball...Lord help U!
Quote from: Steve on Nov 15, 06:59 PM 2011
Consider everything that happens to the ball from start to finish, every little detail, and you will have more variables to consider. Dealer is just one variable. Then find the relationship between the variables, other variables, and spin outcomes.
True.
That is why i posted samples from my wheel using release and outcome - witch have no effect on the results - they are still random - there has to be more visual ballistic elements/variables to get a working wheel signature.
A few more spins from me.
All 21nova/playtech live wheel, table 1
[reveal]
16.11.11
06:41:00
13 c Liena
16 a
32 c
30 a
31 c
25 a
18 c
23 a
5 c
9 a
6 c
20 a
1 c
30 a
5 c
21 a
14 c
27 a
35 c
3 a
23 c
16 a
1 c
8 a
4 c Vija
3 a
25 c
24 a
13 c
32 a
11 c
33 a
6 c
1 a
28 c
13 a
16 c
17 a
2 c
12 a
17 c
24 a
31 c
5 a
20 c
5 a
16 c
16 a
14 c
18 a
32 c
16 a
1 c
7 a Sandra
30 c
15 a
13 c
34 a
25 c
27 a
12 c
8 a
19 c
34 a
13 c
18 a
7 c
6 a
36 c
23 a
4 c
13 a
0 c
3 a
33 c
5 a
16 c
2 a
32 c
27 a
8 c
21 a
34 c
14 a
29 c
18 a
08:05:00
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16.11.11
09:00:00
7 c Liena
23 a
27 c
4 a
21 c
6 a
24 c
8 a
12 c
24 a
29 c
8 a
21 c
21 a
36 c
10 a
32 c
36 a
13 c
5 a
18 c
22 a
20 c
1 a
5 c
7 a
29 c
0 a
18 c
34 a
28 c
3 a
13 c
13 a
7 c
35 a
15 c Sandra
4 a
5 c
2 a
24 c
15 a
22 c
33 a
24 c
12 a
15 c
10:41:00
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16.11.11
13:38:00
1 c Kristine
17 a
2 c
22 a
15 c
2 a
29 c
23 a
10 c
28 a
22 c
31 a
30 c
5 a
0 c
22 a
13 c
1 a
16 c
7 a
3 c
29 a
33 c
13 a
28 c
25 a
1 c
1 a
1 c
14:00:00
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16.11.11
14:49:00
36 c Kristiana
11 a
16 c
29 a
18 c
10 a
10 c
20 a
16 c
26 a
34 c
18 a
10 c
11 a
21 c
12 a
12 c
0 a
15 c
34 a Emma
18 c
1 a
26 c
9 a
8 c
34 a
36 c
12 a
16 c
21 a
19 c
24 a
4 c
20 a
5 c
8 a
6 c
0 a
3 c
13 a
7 c
28 a
22 c
18 a
14 c
29 a
7 c
17:45:00
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16.11.11
17:45:00
25 a Gunta
14 c
24 a
27 c
10 a
6 c
7 a
26 c
1 a
30 c
36 a
31 c
17 a
34 c
17 a
35 c
10 a
1 c
28 a
12 c
2 a
20 c
29 a
25 c Kristiana
24 a
10 c
16 a
3 c
32 a
1 c
7 a
24 c
29 a
23 c
11 a
23 c
17 a
30 c
12 a
25 c
20 a
15 c
11 a
36 c
18 a
7 c
28 a
32 c
25 a
2 c
2 a
36 c
35 a
0 c
11 a
18:29:00
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[/reveal]
And yesterdays sessions (all very short; don´t know, if you need such short sessions?)
Again 21nova/playtech livewheel, table 1:
[reveal] 17.11.11
06:56:00
27 c Angelica
12 a
30 c
36 a
8 c
23 a
4 c
12 a
28 c
15 a
1 c
5 a
4 c
24 a
25 c
10 a
13 c
5 a
9 c
16 a
12 c
34 a
15 c
17 a
29 c
19 a
5 c
33 a
29 c
35 a
1 c
16 a
29 c
07:22:00
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17.11.11
08:56:00
9 c Angelica
1 a
19 c
26 a
28 c
20 a
4 c
18 a
18 c
28 a
3 c
19 a
2 c Violeta
14 a
22 c
31 a
21 c
0 a
7 c
13 a
27 c
12 a
15 c
17 a
22 c
24 a
09:13:00
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17.11.11
10:23:00
28 a Nikola
9 c
25 a
17 c
18 a
9 c
12 a
33 c
24 a
34 c
18 a
6 c
5 a
1 c
14 a Anete
11 c
15 a
14 c
22 a
8 c
6 a
27 c
16 a
33 c
19 a
4 c
10 a
31 c
6 a
6 c
33 a
10:45:00
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17.11.11
11:31:00
32 a Klara
35 c
30 a
33 c
34 a
2 c
24 a
24 c
33 a
4 c
22 a
13 c
4 a
7 c
21 a
13 c
13 a
36 c
6 a
7 c
15 a
12 c
15 a
6 c
24 a
12 c
5 a
1 c
1 a
13 c
11 a
11:52:00
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17.11.11
17:32:00
13 c Viktoria
6 a
29 c
22 a
24 c
28 a
30 c
14 a
0 c
10 a
9 c
7 a
4 c
11 a
0 c
27 a
8 c
29 a
29 c
30 a
27 c
26 a
36 c
7 a
30 c
12 a
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PaddyPower Airball wheel Europ.Roulette 19.11.11
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22 c
32 a
32 c
23 a
28 c
4 a
16 c
27 a
9 c
14 a
1 c
36 a
24 c
15 a
36 c
22 a
29 c
28 a
13 c
13 a
10 c
26 a
26 c
17 a
14 c
21 a
26 c
35 a
9 c
5 a
17 c
24 a
15 c
29 a
33 c
26 a
15 c
8 a
29 c
4 a
14 c
8 a
6 c
17 a
31 c
33 a
20 c
18 a
18 c
7 a
9 c
3 a
1 c
8 a
24 c
10 a
21 c
29 a
20 c
35 a
5 c
32 a
12 c
7 a
0 c
8 a
22 c
35 a
7 c
33 a
13 c
12 a
19 c
28 a
32 c
25 a
12 c
9 a
7 c
21 a
3 c
15 a
10 c
23 a
21 c
12 a
9 c
30 a
26 c
20 a
9 c
14 a
36 c
20 a
12 c
4 a
28 c
18 a
30 c
14 a
19 c
5 a
29 c
30 a
30 c
23 a
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