Kimo Li Matrix Tracker (by Kattila) REVISED
added a keyboard for entering numbers ..........
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Dear Cristal,
This is a very good tracker.
Kudos to you for sharing it with the community :thumbsup:
Many thanks.
Hello everyone, it was a long time since I used this tracker
I saw that there were mistakes, and then were resolved
plus I added the color alert when playing the PIE and STAR
(link:://i50.tinypic.com/zkomdf.jpg)
Good Play....... :thumbsup:
Most excellent dear Cristal :thumbsup:
As a fellow coder I know it can be a "P" in the "A" to create complicated trackers :-X
Double kudos to you for sharing your work.
Very appreciated.
Nice work cristal :D Can you recommend a progression that when you put one stake PIE and STAR?
Quote from: VLS on Aug 24, 12:41 PM 2012
Most excellent dear Cristal :thumbsup:
As a fellow coder I know it can be a "P" in the "A" to create complicated trackers :-X
Double kudos to you for sharing your work.
Very appreciated.
thanks victor, it is a pleasure :thumbsup:
Quote from: Face on Aug 24, 12:43 PM 2012
Nice work cristal :D Can you recommend a progression that when you put one stake PIE and STAR?
depends on how many groups add to the game, I personally use +1 to win, and I remain with usual bet if I lose, until you get to positive cash
then reset the game and start again >:D
cristal
I don't want to start up an old polemic, but how does one use this tracker? I never got a straight answer from Kimo Li except to tell me how futile it was to get a straight answer from Kimo Li.
If you have all the information in the world and no means to use it, what have you?
Some instructions, please. I'd love to see anything Mr. Li advocates work.
Sam
Hello, I personally start the attack, when I have a group of 3 appearances
and add the groups that become with 3 appearances during the attack
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 24, 01:31 PM 2012
cristal
I don't want to start up an old polemic, but how does one use this tracker? I never got a straight answer from Kimo Li except to tell me how futile it was to get a straight answer from Kimo Li.
If you have all the information in the world and no means to use it, what have you?
Some instructions, please. I'd love to see anything Mr. Li advocates work.
Sam
Sam it would help if you bought Mr. Li books ;D I like the names of his strategies like Nuke or Bow-tie. Most of his strategies posted especially on VLS forum are adaptation of his work so it would be difficult to say if the original idea works. But compared to other complicated systems like GUT, 4Selecta or Jack Kennedy it has more tight rules in my opinion. But there are few strategies to choose from and it does not sit well with most people. Seykid31 here seems to have mastered it so it would be interesting to hear his opinion.
Regards
Rob
I did buy one and he gave me the other.
I read/studied them both.
I ask the same question I always did: Knowing all this, how do I use it? I won't go into all the details, but if the wheel is doing a "nuke" will it continue/stop?
mattymattz may have mastered it.
If the Kid did, I wish he'd tell.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 26, 12:07 PM 2012
Rob
I did buy one and he gave me the other.
I read/studied them both.
I ask the same question I always did: Knowing all this, how do I use it? I won't go into all the details, but if the wheel is doing a "nuke" will it continue/stop?
mattymattz may have mastered it.
If the Kid did, I wish he'd tell.
Sam
Sam
Its just another sector based method with complicated rules. I followed long thread on VLS where some people kept ordering stuff from Kimo and he kept releasing all the info gradually like in a classroom. I figured out all the pies and sectors idea very quickly and all nuke,hemi and other movements but in the end what it came down to was to pick the sector that's hot and bet on it.
In my opinion that's a method that gets lot of attention because of very complex rules so everybody assumes automatically that it has merit.
Hi guys , here some info about the movements (global pies).
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=286.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=286.0)
Rob is right , i think the best way is to play the hot sectors...
see example (excel file).
Very impressive, thank you Katilla. I tested your method for 512 live spins, surprisingly reach +1,530 units. That's an impressive +2.99 u/spin.
Perhaps too early to report 512 spins, but I think it's a good indication.
A little finding in my test:
- Always play in a 36 spin cycle (6x6 spin cycle), then reset. As Kimo Li wrote somewhere in a thread: "any numbers before or after a six spin cycle is irrelevant".
- I play GP & S together, 11 numbers + zero = 12 numbers like D/C. I use fibonacci, stop loss at 9th (34u max bet). BR 88u x 12.
- Got busted twice in 512 spins, still resulting profits +2.99 u/spin.
- Zero cover is quite helpful insuring the profits.
Still testing and trying to find additional trigger to minimize the risk.
Cheers,
- bd
Update test 1000 spins.
Profit +5,044 units
Average +5u/spin
BR 1,056u
Loss 2x (fibo 9th prog) in the 1st 500, never loss in the 2nd.
Looks like a winning system, Katilla. I hope the next 1000 spin test is not disappointing :twisted:
Cheers,
-bd
I think one of the most important key is the 36 spin cycle, as Kimo Li pointed. I always reset after 36 spin, except when finishing progressions.
Below is a sample of 36 spin cycle betting.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 27, 12:06 AM 2012
In my opinion that's a method that gets lot of attention because of very complex rules so everybody assumes automatically that it has merit.
Couldn't agree more!
Some time ago I asked Kimo (on his forum) what is the rationale behind his method - some kind of dealer signature or what?
I never got a reply, even though it seemed like a pretty straightforward question to me.
He's selling several spreadsheets at $50 a pop, but there are no instructions as to how to use them.
"He's selling several spreadsheets at $50 a pop, but there are no instructions as to how to use them."
Most gratifying to hear!
Sam
Completely agree.. I didn't know how to use the matrix. Tried a lot of applications long time ago, totally fail. Didn't see any good of the groupings.
Until Kattila gave an example, thanks to cristal2000. So glad don't have to buy the $50 spreadsheets for nothing :twisted:
I found Kattila's method is interesting with a little tweak, and intent to test it. I'll update whether the result is good or just another failure.
Without intention to promote any methods other than testing Kattila's idea, here are the subsequent results (next to previous 1000) of 10 cycle spins:
Total spin: 380
Profit: +2,148u
Average: +5.65u/spin
BR: 648u
Strike rate: 87/0
Cheers,
-bd
So, is Katilla now /compa? Or is Katilla just referring us to /compa's work?
Again, not wanting to set off a polemic, but this is "warmed-over Gamlet" as far as I'm concerned. But Gamlet created sectors on the fly. They were never rigid. Maybe rigid is better.
Certainly some beautiful figures!!
Sam
bd
Thanks for all this work.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 27, 05:02 PM 2012
So, is Katilla now /compa? Or is Katilla just referring us to /compa's work?
Again, not wanting to set off a polemic, but this is "warmed-over Gamlet" as far as I'm concerned. But Gamlet created sectors on the fly. They were never rigid. Maybe rigid is better.
Certainly some beautiful figures!!
Sam
I am Kattila and not Compa my friend (and also not Gamlet.....)
Compa posted something about movements on GP, and this is my system and
also now is BDs system (version).
cheers
Quote from: bossdarling on Aug 27, 04:30 PM 2012
Without intention to promote any methods other than testing Kattila's idea, here are the subsequent results (next to previous 1000) of 10 cycle spins:
Total spin: 380
Profit: +2,148u
Average: +5.65u/spin
BR: 648u
Strike rate: 87/0
Cheers,
-bd
Did you test it on actuals?
You're welcome Sam, and hi Kattila.. Thanks to all forum members for sharing ideas of any doable method. I learn a lot from all of you.
RH, I'm doing test with my live spin database to study the risks. If it succeed in 2000 spins, I'll test on actuals.
My subsequent 10 cycle spin test is not so good. Got busted 3x, though the cummulative is still positive, avg 1.38u/spin.
Total spin: 763 (excl. previous 1000)
Profit: 1,056u
Average: +1.38u/spin
BR 1,056 for each loss
Strike rate: 160/3
Any idea to minimize risk? Is it a go or no go?
During this test (see attchmt), 1 loss is in the last cycle, 2 losses in the 1st cycle. Is it relevant? For instance, waiting for 1 virtual win before play, or only seek 5 wins in a cycle, etc? The test is purely mechanical. Is there any pattern/trigger to avoid?
Any advice would be highly appreciated.
Cheers,
-bd
Interesting.
In 2005, I introduced an innovative concept. For those who attempted to understand, gained major insight to the game of roulette. Over the years I gave clues as to how the Global Pie Method works, with polarized reviews. Nonetheless, it has open many minds and ironically closed many as well.
Here's the good news. From my teachings many have opened their minds to create and discover ways to beat roulette. Matrix was never used to describe roulette strategies until I introduced the idea. Now we have many experts with many strategies. How great is that? Here's the bad news, most people will never understand it.
A carpenter, auto mechanic, salesperson, IT tech, accountant, CEO, baker, taxi driver, bartender, the list is endless, all possess certain skills. Their worth is measured in the exchange of values.
If you have something of value that I am interested in, I will make an offer to buy or trade. I will never ask for anything for free. You will never understand the worth of someone's soul until you have walked in their shoes. When you can understand that, you will understand your own worth.
I tried giving things for free. It did no good to anyone because there was no exchange of values.
Kimo Li
Hi Bossdarling,
why don t you try the original system (see my excel file) ?
You can attack 6 numbers ( one hot GP or S) with that extended fibo by Winkel(better from 0,10 c), trigger two or three hits of the same group in the last 6 spins (can switch from
GP to S and also from S to GP ,all depends if there is trigger on not).
Also you can attack both hot groups (GP and S) but with separate progression (same extended fibo ) one for 6 numbers and one for 5 numbers , this because will have diffrent triggers on GP and different triggers on S. I don t know why you start to bet at the same
time on GP and S, see my example , it s different....
I said one progression on 6 numbers and one on 5 numbers , but you can include the 0
and this way have 6 and 6 numbers . Important is bet only 6 times same group then
go to another new group(new trigger ), so next level of progression on next new hot group
for the next 6 spins ...so on...
cheers
Kimo,
Why only "give clues"? In this forum we have a policy to regard with suspicion anyone who gives hints and clues. Why? because it's BS. Why not just explicitly state the rules of the system, or at least, if the method is subjective, be honest enough to say so.
And I think I'm right in saying that in neither of your books do you discuss the matrix concept, so you can hardly claim credit for some kind of revolution or breakthrough. Roulette system aficionados have been using similar methods since the game was invented; a matrix is just a convenient and efficient way of arranging data, there's nothing particularly innovative about it.
It's not my intention to belittle your work. Your way of identifying ball-movements is innovative, and of course, if anyone finds value in your books and spreadsheets then they are free to buy them, just as you have every right to charge for your time and effort. All I'm saying is that if you feel your products and ideas offer something truly unique and valuable, why not tell us exactly what it is? why all the evasion?
Quote from: Bayes on Aug 28, 03:37 AM 2012
Kimo,
Why only "give clues"? In this forum we have a policy to regard with suspicion anyone who gives hints and clues. Why? because it's BS. Why not just explicitly state the rules of the system, or at least, if the method is subjective, be honest enough to say so.
And I think I'm right in saying that in neither of your books do you discuss the matrix concept, so you can hardly claim credit for some kind of revolution or breakthrough. Roulette system aficionados have been using similar methods since the game was invented; a matrix is just a convenient and efficient way of arranging data, there's nothing particularly innovative about it.
It's not my intention to belittle your work. Your way of identifying ball-movements is innovative, and of course, if anyone finds value in your books and spreadsheets then they are free to buy them, just as you have every right to charge for your time and effort. All I'm saying is that if you feel your products and ideas offer something truly unique and valuable, why not tell us exactly what it is? why all the evasion?
I guess everybody knows answer to last question ;D
"The Eclipse is designed to track specific numbers that are due to come in. More importantly, when a Global Pie merges with a Global Star the exact number is revealed" from a preface to "The Roulette Formula" book by Mr Kimo Li.
Did anybody except the author see that merger and was able to predict the exact number?
Thanks, Kattila. Yes I firstly did the test exactly as your instruction in excel. Including wait for virtual win if 1x or 2x L, etc. Your progression is also very exciting.
But after hundreds of spin test, I always loss. Didn't pass 500 spins. Not because your method is wrong. Perhaps I missed important trigger, or didn't read it right. I attached a sample of it below.
Therefore I tweaked it to 12 numbers to grab larger possibilities. It works quite well, but the risk is still scary.
I think the most important key is to dig more on the trigger. Perhaps there are more do's & dont's. If any, your separate 6 number betting is more appealing.
Cheers,
-bd
Bayes,
With regards to your concession, about my innovations, tells me you are an educated person.
Hints and clues was the closest I could get to giving something for free. If this forum has a policy on hints and clues, then I will no longer offer them.
I will, however, like everyone else, critique and review on methods posted.
Kimo Li
With regards to your concession, about my innovations, tells me you are an educated person.
---And what about us others;carpenters,automechanics,bakers,painters ????
**With regards to your concession, about my innovations, tells me you are an educated person.**
May I humbly rephrase that statement?
"Your concession concerning my innovations tells me you are an educated person."
Let's all play RE-WRITE THE SENTENCE!
Me? I ain't never had no book-learnin'.
IT'S HUMOR!!!
Sam
I wasn't happy with my previous 763 spin test. Though the cummulative profit is 1,056u (avg 1.38/spin), the 3 losses x 1,056u BR is very risky. I won't play it unless I find more reasonable and reliable trigger.
I restart the test and change the trigger: only bet when 2 sectors come together toward each cycle 1-6.
Using the same live spin database, here's the comparative result:
Total spin: 745x, 25 cycles (against previous 763x, 20 cycles)
Profit: 3,072u (vs 1,056u)
Average: +4.12u/spin (vs +1.38u/spin)
BR 1,056 for each loss
Strike rate: 150/1 (vs 160/3)
Continuing test to 1000 spins and welcoming any advice.
Cheers,
-bd
Update: 1000 live spin database.
Total spin: 1019 (35 cycles)
Revenue: 3,600u
Average: 3.53u/spin
Strike rate: 210/2
BR: 1,056u
Betting sample below. Let's see if it can survive another 1000 spins :twisted:
TCS,
I guess their more that one way to skin a sentence. ???
Kimo Li
F_LAT_INO,
Did you make a concession about my innovations? If you did, you too possess the same skills; yes, even the carpenters,auto mechanics, bakers, painters can be skilled. Education has no limits, formal or street smarts, still education.
Kimo Li
bossdarling,
Your matrix is wonderful, a great visual of tracking numbers. Thanks for sharing.
Kimo Li
bossdarling,
how about stop on 3rd straight L and wait for another trigger.
from there you will be able to cut those long streaks and save your BR.
just a suggestion.
Quote from: bossdarling on Aug 28, 01:45 PM 2012
Update: 1000 live spin database.
Total spin: 1019 (35 cycles)
Revenue: 3,600u
Average: 3.53u/spin
Strike rate: 210/2
BR: 1,056u
Betting sample below. Let's see if it can survive another 1000 spins :twisted:
Betting on 12 numbers for 9 spins gives average strike rate of around 33/1. You will lose your progression few times. So far you ahead in profit but you need at least 50 of 1000spin sessions to give you any idea how it will perform. Changing your progression its pointless if the strike rate is not there.
Thank you, Kimo Li. It is Kattila who show me the way how to play it.
Kattila's original method offers more profits, 2 separate betting system. I didn't pass the first 500 spin test, and worry for taking more than 36 spin/session (referring to your hints), so I came up with this tweak.
Marvin, thanks for your advice. Yes we can play with progressions and stop loss. We can also test with +1 / -1 in a cycle, FLAT_ino style. For this test I use aggressive fibo just to see what happens. I'd like to minimize 1,056u BR.
Thank you RH, your view is highly appreciated. Perhaps I misunderstood the term "strike rate". What I meant is how many time I make a (seri of) bet, against a loss. I was counting the "trigger-bet".
One trigger-bet consists of somewhere between 1 to 9 bets until it's W or L. I would say average bet is 2-3 times in one seri. Unfortunately I didn't record how many actual bets, I'll do it in further test of any method.
I wait for a trigger and don't play every spins. But I divide the result to all spins to analyse average earning (unit/spin).
In the meantime, the next 1000 spin test came to the following result:
Total spin: 1,020 (192 cycles)
Revenue: 3,168 u
Average: 3.11 u/spin
BR: 1,056u
Strike rate: 192 (trigger-bet, each consists of 1-9 bets), against 2 losses.
And you're right, RH. I've tested a method going very well in 4000 spins and totally screw up in the next 1000. I should always be careful.
Cheers,
-bd
Hi! There can be also 72 numbers but having 3 Matrix.. Its possible. You will find it if you want.
Regards Timo
Quote from: Timo on Sep 21, 04:47 PM 2012
Hi! There can be also 72 numbers but having 3 Matrix.. Its possible. You will find it if you want.
Regards Timo
And 37 Matrix(s)......It s possible......
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 21, 05:14 PM 2012
And 37 Matrix(s)......It s possible......
cheers
Hi Kattila! I dont argue with you, äh let it be.. =)
Regards Timo
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 21, 05:14 PM 2012
And 37 Matrix(s)......It s possible......
cheers
But its different, jep now just say my opinion. =)
Regards Timo
Hi Timo , you are welcome to show us the 3 Matrix . ;D
Lol, i know you don t argue ....please share with us ( only if you wish).
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 21, 05:47 PM 2012
Hi Timo , you are welcome to show us the 3 Matrix . ;D
LoL, i know you don't argue ....please share with us ( only if you wish).
cheers
You think I am stupid.. You are wrong my friend..Look at HM Matrix and think again, please do that. What you see?
Regards Timo
Quote from: Timo on Sep 21, 05:58 PM 2012
You think I am silly.. You are wrong my friend..Look at HM Matrix and think again, please do that. What you see?
Regards Timo
I am not lier, see it or not, not my problem. :) Its puzzle.
Regards Timo
??No Timo I don't think you are silly ! , and you must talk about Holyman Matrix ,
I see nothig special just another Matrix , Matrix = Map for me .
be happy with your puzzle
regards
Quote from: Kattila on Sep 21, 06:26 PM 2012
??No Timo I don't think you are silly ! , and you must talk about Holyman Matrix ,
I see nothig special just another Matrix , Matrix = Map for me .
be happy with your puzzle
regards
Jep, HM=Holyman and you saw/see Mr. Kattila there is 3 Matrixes under 72 numbers for sure. Its no HG, but it gives big chances to hit. :)
Regards Timo
Quote from: Timo on Sep 21, 06:42 PM 2012
Jep, HM=Holyman and you saw/see Mr. Kattila there is 3 Matrixes under 72 numbers for sure. Its no method, but it gives big chances to hit. :)
Regards Timo
Or maybe Nuke hits, first challenge it did with reading Matrix, I think. Still learning, big time.
Regards Timo
I have tried using this tracker but i can't use it as i don't have the macro's what ever that is. Could some one send me some software that will run this tracker as i only have basic software , microsoft start i think it is called.
This is interesting can see me backtesting this 5 units a spin profit
....giddy up