Here's a method that works well on even chance bets.
We will be playing in 7 bet batches.
We will play these 7 bets until we are up 2 bets or down 3 bets.
To win we need W W that's up 2 bets, or[size=78%] [/size]WLWW up 2 bets or LWLWWW, or WLLWWW, etc...
To lose we need LLL or LWLLL or WLLWLLL or LLWWLLL.
If we get 3 W's and 4 L's or 4 W's and 3 L's we replay the batch.
If we lose, we move up the progression. We play this D'Alembert style. That's up one level on a loss and down one level on a win.
Here's the progression:
1
2
3
5
8
12
18
27
41
62
Remember each level represents 7 bets but we don't usually have to play all 7 bets to reach either +2 or -3.
A total loss of the progression is -537 units. Of course it's totally impossible to lose 30 bets in a row which is what it would take.
GLC
seems like an improvement on the Gr8 progression, thanks
Tom,
An easy way to keep track of where you are when at a table is to keep at stack of 7 chips. As you lose you put a chip to the left and as you win you put a chip to the right. Any time you have 2 more chips to the right than the left, you have won that attack. Any time you have 3 more chips on the left than on the right you have lost that attack. If you have 3 on one and 4 on the other, replay same bet amount.
I like the D'Alembert best 1-2-3-5-8-12-18-27-41-62 etc...
When I'm playing 1's, if I win the 1st bet, I bank it and start fresh. So I don't start my 7 bets until I lose which means I always start 1 in the whole when betting 1 unit.
For safety, you can move to 10 bet attacks or even higher.
Should work as well as anything on bac.
Good Luck my friend.
This is genius George.
PURE GENIUS!!!! 8)
Quote from: Drogan on Jan 28, 03:49 PM 2012
This is genius George.
PURE GENIUS!!!! 8)
Thanks Drogan. Some may not share your assessment but I've had nothing but good results from my tests and actual sessions at the casino. And my casino play is on a double zero wheel.
Tomla021 is correct, it's a tweak to the gr8player's progression. Instead of playing 7 bets and then analyzing whether you're up or down and adjusting your bet size accordingly, this method keeps us more current.
Also, Gr8player's progression only went 1-2-3-4-5 which limits it's power quite a bit. By increasing the number of levels you can play, we increase our chances of full recovery. Along with this benefit, we must accept the greater risk of losing a larger bank. Stop losses are a necessary factor in roulette.
We all know that a stop-loss will prevent us from losing an excessive amount at one sitting. What we can't control, and this is a possibility, is that we will hit our stop-loss multiple times close together. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do to eliminate risk altogether.
All of my systems are an attempt to minimize risk and push the possiblity of disaster further away so we have time to win 20 or so units and walk.
This type progression doesn't work well with systems designed to catch 1 win within say 4 bets. Like "The Author's" system which bets 1-2-3-6 and if you lose all 4 bets, you just repeat the same bet progression. A win on either of the 1st 2 bets nets +1 and a win on either of the last 2 bets nets 0. He suggests taking 36 units which gives you 3 attacks. When you lose the 3 attacks you leave or set a win target like 10 or 12 units and if you reach that before losing your three 12 units banks, leave, or take a break.
I say my win 2 or lose 3 progression doesn't work as well on The Author's type system, but I've tested it using his bet selection method and it works quite well. That's because in reality no matter what bet selection method you use, the next spin is still random so you have as much of a chance to win the next bet no matter what bet selection method you prefer.
Good Luck,
GLC
I have tested this a couple of times with the 4 unit trot representing 1 unit in the 7 unit line.
4 unit trot
1 1 1 1
1 2 1 1
1 1 2 2
1 1 2 3
1 1 3 3
A win = +4 units
If you win 2 of these it will represent 2 wins out of our 7 unit level and we will be fully recovered and can reset.
If we lose 3 of them, that will be -12 units but it will represent 3 losses of our 7 unit level and we must move to our next level.
This has worked great, it just takes a really long time to play.
If you like grinding play this is something to consider. I know that mathematically it doesn't change our chances but in real play it seems to make winning 1 more sure. It's so difficult to determine because it can take as many as 20 bets or more to determine if we win or lose what represents 1 unit.
Just some ramblings.
Cheers,
GLC
nothing wrong with grinding-----------------
I am interested in trying this on baccarat
seems like it would be awfully tough to beat with that ambidex trot----slow is ok as I get older
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jan 30, 12:50 PM 2012
seems like it would be awfully tough to beat with that ambidex trot----slow is ok as I get older
So far it has been tough to beat. Of course when we lose a 4 unit trot, it only represents 1 bet on the win 2 or lose 3 progression, but it is really 4 units. Or, if a unit is $4 and each unit in the 4 unit trot is only $1, then if you lose 3 trots of 4's you're really only down 3 units or 12 quarter units. :o :o This is one tough progression to explain.
By the way, I've been playing this a little since I like to do testing on my quarter airball machine so I play quarters in the 4 bet trot. This works perfectly since my 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 represents $1 each.
I've found that I do better playing for real on the airball machine than testing on Betvoyager. Makes testing not only testing but playing as well.
LOL,
GLC
Hello my friends, lately I play this system .I think it is very powerfull and stable.I never reach 10 level of the progression.I play a little bit differently.I do not play 8 bets in one level, I play one level until is +2 or -3 no matter how spins are.May be this can be play with something like win 4 ot lose 6 in one level-the bankroll will be double, but is way more sure i think, because the number of spins grow, so it will have smaller deviation persentge between lose and win spins
Or it can be win 3 or lose 4-than the level bet will grow not by half and for 1/3
level bet-1
1.33
1.76
2.34...and so on
I like this progression, provided it stops at 18. 6 steps x 3u x 31 units total, 93 units lost is probably enough to call it a day. I like gr8 player's but stages 4 and 5 are to slow. One should try to get out of negative territory asap.
Jeromin
with either variation discussed her, let's say you lose 3 (3x1), you lose 6 (3x2), you lose 9 (3x3), so far a total of 18 units lost, now you win 10 (2x5), what is you next bet, because after you win 10, you are still down 8 units. Do you stay at the 5 level to recover, go down to betting at the 3 level or go back to the 1 level?
Quote from: doubledime on Aug 14, 05:29 PM 2013
with either variation discussed her, let's say you lose 3 (3x1), you lose 6 (3x2), you lose 9 (3x3), so far a total of 18 units lost, now you win 10 (2x5), what is you next bet, because after you win 10, you are still down 8 units. Do you stay at the 5 level to recover, go down to betting at the 3 level or go back to the 1 level?
I think GLC intended this to be played up 1 level on a loss and down 1 level on a win. As soon as you reach plus, go back to 1 unit. In your example, you would drop down to the 3 unit level and if you win at the 3 unit level, you would drop down to the 2 unit level. A win at the 2 unit level and you're back to even.
Or just play flat bet and forget all the maths.
Is GLC really gone?
None of us are ever really gone. We just rest a bit and then a new idea torments us!
Quote from: GLC on Jan 29, 11:02 AM 2012
I have tested this a couple of times with the 4 unit trot representing 1 unit in the 7 unit line.
4 unit trot
1 1 1 1
1 2 1 1
1 1 2 2
1 1 2 3
1 1 3 3
A win = +4 units
If you win 2 of these it will represent 2 wins out of our 7 unit level and we will be fully recovered and can reset.
If we lose 3 of them, that will be -12 units but it will represent 3 losses of our 7 unit level and we must move to our next level.
This has worked great, it just takes a really long time to play.
If you like grinding play this is something to consider. I know that mathematically it doesn't change our chances but in real play it seems to make winning 1 more sure. It's so difficult to determine because it can take as many as 20 bets or more to determine if we win or lose what represents 1 unit.
Just some ramblings.
Cheers,
GLC
What is meant by a "4 unit trot"?
Thanks
Doubledime: It is difficult to explain this 4 unit trot. Basically we're risking 4 of our units to win 4 units from the casino.
We start with 1 1 1 1
We always bet the left number.
So we bet 1 if we win, we add the unit we just won to the 2nd 1 and we have 1 2 1 1
The left number is still 1, so we bet 1 and if we win again, we add it to the 3rd spot and have 1 2 2 1
If we win again, we will add 1 to the last number and we transfer 1 unit from the 2nd number to the last giving us 1 1 2 3
If we win again, we have our 4 units.
The power of the system is when we have wins and losses. Let's say we're at 1 2 2 1 and we have a loss, we then have X 2 2 1. Our left number is a 2 so we bet 2 units. If we win we recover our lost unit plus 1 more and now we have 1 1 2 3. From here if we lose say 3 times in a row we will have X X X 3 our left (and only) number is 3, so we bet 3 and win, now we have 6 units and we replace missing slots like this: 1 2 2 1. Note: This is my version of the Ambidex method.
Here's a summary:
If we only have 1 unit, our line looks like this X X X 1
If we only have 2 units, our line looks like this X X 1 1
If we only have 3 units, our line looks like this X 1 1 1
If we only have 4 units, our line is 1 1 1 1
5 units 1 2 1 1
6 units 1 2 2 1
7 units 1 1 2 3
Anytime we have the above number of units, we put our units in the corresponding order and bet the left number.
We have this pattern we're trying to follow.
1 1 1 1
1 2 1 1
1 2 2 1
1 1 2 3
1 2 2 3
This expands to:
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3
1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 3
It can expand even further from here.
As you can see, we're using the casino's money to win more money.
I know this is very abbreviated. I'll send you a more complete example if you PM me you're e-mail address. It's an attachment and I don't know how to send attachments in PM's.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Jan 29, 11:02 AM 2012
I have tested this a couple of times with the 4 unit trot representing 1 unit in the 7 unit line.
4 unit trot
1 1 1 1
1 2 1 1
1 1 2 2
1 1 2 3
1 1 3 3
A win = +4 units
If you win 2 of these it will represent 2 wins out of our 7 unit level and we will be fully recovered and can reset.
If we lose 3 of them, that will be -12 units but it will represent 3 losses of our 7 unit level and we must move to our next level.
This has worked great, it just takes a really long time to play.
If you like grinding play this is something to consider. I know that mathematically it doesn't change our chances but in real play it seems to make winning 1 more sure. It's so difficult to determine because it can take as many as 20 bets or more to determine if we win or lose what represents 1 unit.
Just some ramblings.
Cheers,
GLC
Could you please explain this a little more. What is a "trot" Thanks for all you posts. DD
Quote from: doubledime on Apr 04, 11:33 AM 2014
Could you please explain this a little more. What is a "trot" Thanks for all you posts. DD
Disregard my last post, I did not see page 2 of this thread. My bad!! :(
Thanks for share it. I do not really play 8 wagers in a single level, When i play just one level till can be +2 as well as -3 irrespective of the way rotates usually are. Might be this can be play along with something like gain some ot get rid of 6 in a single level-the kitty will probably be double, however can be way more positive i do think, due to the fact the quantity of rotates increase, so it has smaller change portion concerning get rid of as well as gain rotates.