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Title: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 11, 06:10 PM 2010
4 X 4 DRIVE System

I developed this system for dozens or columns many years ago but it became solid strategy maybe a Holy Grail system first after including to it the Leveller progression. Before, I used progression, which was money making but couldnââ,¬â,,¢t hold long downdrafts.

The system is based on playing 2 dozens or columns formations or alternate dozens and columns after loss, which adjusts self to streak and chop trends simultaneously. The A/B formation change is triggered only after loss occurred.

Formation A: Bet last 2 dozens coming, sign = (excellent for streaks)
Formation B: Bet 2 dozens against last coming dozen, sign X (excellent for chops)

The Leveller progression: 1/1 - 2/2 - 4/4 - 8/8 units for recommended bankroll of $2,000
                                         1/1 ââ,¬â€œ 2/2 ââ,¬â€œ 4/4 units for recommended bankroll of $1,000 & short strategy

Remember: With Leveller progression if you are losing you don't go home until you are in plus again and I guarantee you will be going home sooner or later. With Leveller, I have the experience that the progression can take you back even from hell.


In land casinos we find mostly minimum bets on dozens/columns $5 what would apply to the Leveller progression as: $5/5 - $10/10 - $20/20 - $80/80 dollars.
When we reach the top of the progression we play the same amount until we get into positive TOTAL! We will need patience and sufficient bankroll to overcome downdrafts. Always write down the game in detail!
But when we fulfill those 2 requirements (patience and bankroll) there is possibility that we will never go home as a losers!

In my whole testing period I never got more than 6 losses in row, which is a piece of cake for Leveller. It can happen that sometimes will come even more losses than 6 in row but there must be involved multiple zeros or ââ,¬Å"magnetic ballââ,¬Â used lately as a scam device strategy by casinos.

Short Strategy play

The most secure play of this strategy is to wait (play virtually) for one win as a trigger. Like LLLW now bet! LLW, LW and so onââ,¬Â¦bet always after first win. This strategy can be beaten only by ââ,¬Å"magnetic ballââ,¬Â. When you see the ââ,¬Å"magnetic ballââ,¬Â losing pattern often enough run away and never forget the name of the casino!!! The sign of ââ,¬Å"magnetic ballââ,¬Â in play would be that you can never come out of the downfalls! At that occasion the only strategy to choose would be to play on table which is crowded with many gamblers (diversification) or run away.

With the short strategy we will need only half of the bankroll but the same patience!
The recommendation is to play the system only on Live European Roulette Wheels.
The short example will clear the confusion:

D / Bet2D / W/L / Leveller Progression / TOTAL  
1   wait  
3   wait for spins to confirm at least 2 different dozens coming.
--------------------------------------------
3   1/3=   W       5/5            
2   1/3=   L        5/5
3   1/3X   W     10/10
2   1/2X   W       5/5
2   1/3X   L       5/5
2   2/3=   W     10/10
2   2/3=   W      5/5
1   2/3=   L       5/5
1   2/3X   L     10/10
2   1/2=   W    20/20
1   1/2=   W    20/20
3   1/2=   L      5/5
2   1/2X   W    10/10
3   1/3X   W     5/5
3   1/2X   L     5/5
3   2/3=   W    10/10
1   2/3=   L     5/5
0   1/3X   L    10/10
3   1/3=   W   20/20
1   1/3=   W   20/20
2   1/3=    L      5/5
2   1/3X   L    10/10      
1   1/2=    W   20/20
2   1/2=    W   20/20
2   1/2=    W    5/5
2   1/2=    W    5/5
1   1/2=    W    5/5
1   1/2=    W    5/5
1   1/2=    W    5/5
3   1/2=     L    5/5
1   1/2X   W   10/10
3   2/3X   W    5/5
1   1/2X    W   5/5
1   2/3X    L    5/5
3   1/3=    W   10/10

On live, not scammed roulette table, there will be always lot of opportunity in streaks of 2 dozens (one dozen sleeping 20 spins?) in alternation of chops (no streak for 17 spins?) which are covered by the 4x4 Drive strategy.

Constructive tweaks are always welcome. If you get more than 6 losses in row, please give me a feedback.

Happy testing and winnings.

Hermes    
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on May 11, 08:07 PM 2010
Thanks for share with us, Hermes.
So,  the = is the LD, and  the X is the JD from Victors program (i use it)
When loss  chenge to other, when win stay on the same.
Safer bet after (L...)LW...bet now, leveller progression,
or play non stop , with the same progression.
We can alternate from LD to LC (last columns) too, right?
All:
LD to JD,  LC to JC,   LD to LC,  LD to JC,   JD to LC,  JD to  JC ?
I know all this but i never apply , but now i trust you and will play,
after make some tests.    :)
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 11, 09:23 PM 2010
yes, Kattila but you can play even LD and if loss change to LC. All alternations work well. Even hunter's trigger works perfect, like wait 4 Ls (LLLL) and then bet huge with short (3) progression. Never saw more then 6 Ls in row.
Motorbike put my system with my permission on old VLS but already the name he put on it shows his mental state. He even didn't mention that he has it from me. He tested it successfully for couple of months. That's the last mistake I made and gave to dummy a first class system. He cannot even explain it properly. He made dangerous changes on progression. Will blow bankrolls.
I am disappointed how motorbike explained my system that's why I put it here for clearness. Experience for the future.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on May 12, 01:59 AM 2010
Yes i see, He made dangerous changes on progression.
One have to respect the original  rules if whant to succes.


Best regards.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Blood Angel on May 12, 02:03 AM 2010
Thank you for posting the correct version Hermes..
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 13, 12:55 PM 2010
Atlantis put an excellent progression for the system 4x4 on old VLS, look at it.
Now it has 2 excellent progression Leveller and Atlantis'. The trigger would be always ...LW if lost wait for next ...LW. That's a HG for sure with both progressions.
Or if you are patient wait for LLLL and have progression for 3 more spins and you are again winner. You can do the same on columns and monitor 2-3 tables at the same time.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bene126 on May 13, 05:24 PM 2010
Hi Karol.Nice to see one of your method.Nice one.Thank you for sharing.I have two questions to you.What if i get to 4th level of progression.It is 8 units.I have to stay on this level till i get to profit? And what if 0 has hit? I have two wait next to spins and continue with progresions or i can bet on the first spins after 0?

Dufam ze fanids slovenskemu hokeju :)

That is written by slovkian language :)

Regards Thomas.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bene126 on May 13, 05:32 PM 2010
Sorry but there is If i have to wait for next two spins when the zero hit.I tried to modify it but it wont work :)

And i forgot one question.With 1000 $ for short strategy you mean 200 chips for 5$.So 200 chips is it?
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: warrior on May 14, 09:37 AM 2010
Hermes how long  are yur games on this stratagie.warrior
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 14, 11:07 PM 2010
bene, you play the 4/4 units until in plus again, time doesn't play role, then reset to one unit.    After zero you bet the previous formation = or X.   

Warrior, it was tested by motorbike for 2 months every day on Jet-bet and if he didn't lost his mind never lost.    I think with Leveller or Atlantis progression and bet after first W is a HG.   
I have another 2 HG at home (both bet one dozen or column).    I am very fortunate with the brain I got at birth.    I would like to take it with me into new life after death.    Know somebody how to do it?
I played it today for 2 hours in land casino, made $230, tired but happy.   No complications at all.   Very smooth game.  3rd dozen didn't showed up for 18 spins I just cashed in.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: warrior on May 15, 06:44 AM 2010
Hermes we take everything in the afterlife ,including all we learn from here my friend. warrior
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 15, 01:52 PM 2010
I know my friend but it is difficult to recover after born again to new life.  The best and fastest way is the reincarnation therapy to show you in what areas of life specialist you are.  As a child when people asked me what I want to be I always answered pilot or doctor.  I reached both because the answers came from within.  Parents and teachers should ask children what they feel to be and support them in it and the world would be full of geniuses, not a criminals (Gypsies are exception!).
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: chovek69 on May 19, 04:32 PM 2010
Hi, to all.  This is my first post here at this great forum.

First thank you Hermes for sharing this great method.  I already had my first good results with it.  I am curious about the Atlantis prog as he posted several different ones in different threads ?
Could you elaborate on which one you found appropriate for the 4x4 drive.

Thank you in advance and have a lucky play.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: VLS on May 19, 08:15 PM 2010
Quote from: chovek69 on May 19, 04:32 PM 2010
Hi, to all.  This is my first post here at this great forum.

Welcome to our place chovek.  :)

Quote from: chovek69 on May 19, 04:32 PM 2010
I am curious about the Atlantis prog as he posted several different ones in different threads ?

Just in case, atlantis himself can be contacted by PM as he's also registered here:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/profile/atlantis/

(and just today we talked at the forum's chat, so he's logging

Regards.

Victor

Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: chovek69 on May 20, 08:00 AM 2010
I think I found the Atlantis post with progression. 

"Another betting idea, but it is slower is the "BEST OF FIVE".  .  . 
bet 1 on each dozen for 5 times (10 units)
But any time during this that you're level or ahead with your highest recorded total - reset to 1 unit and restart the count to 1 again.  . 
If you're behind after having played 5 games start betting 2 units on each doz for 5 times (20 units)
Any time you're level or ahead with your highest recorded total - reset to 1 unit and restart the count.  .  . 
if not increase to 3 units.  .  .   etc.  .   etc.  . 
If your bet selection works well enough as you said - surely this can win
A.  "

I will try it and post the results. 
If there are objections please delete this post. 

Thanks
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: strato1985 on May 20, 09:22 AM 2010
giz I read a similar thing only real diff

bet last dozen that come out + the opposite of the one before that

If you get steak on same dozen stick with it untill it hits 3 times then jump to both opposites.

and very interesting fact i could not get past a 6 progession.  .  .  .  .  .   unless multiple zero's

although 6 progession on 2 dozens is hefty.  .   you said wait for 3 miss,,,  then it becomes good! or lankys 6 point divider??

See this is the sort of thing interested ,, work in progress
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: GLC on May 21, 11:40 PM 2010
Quote from: bene126 link=topic=90. msg483#msg483 date=1273785862
Hi Karol. Nice to see one of your method. Nice one. Thank you for sharing. I have two questions to you. What if i get to 4th level of progression. It is 8 units. I have to stay on this level till i get to profit? And what if 0 has hit? I have two wait next to spins and continue with progresions or i can bet on the first spins after 0?

Dufam ze fanids slovenskemu hokeju :)

That is written by slovkian language :)

Regards Thomas.

Hermes,  Are you from Slovakia.   I was doing some traveling around in Eastern Europe back in the 90's.   Very depressing until I found myself in a quaint but peaceful place on a small lake called Stara Tura.   It was very comfortable with excellent food, compared to Russia.   Really enjoyed our stay there.   Slovakia is a wonderful country with a lot of interesting sites to see and learn about.   Even though you didn't have anything to do with our being there, just wanted to thank someone for such a wonderful country.

Back to roulette.   Thanks for posting your system.

GLC
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 22, 07:50 PM 2010
Welcome chovek, the progression you advice is very similar to Atlantis' one.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 22, 07:59 PM 2010
Yes, GLC Slovakia is beautiful country and you forget to mention that Czechoslovakian women are without exception the prettiest women in the world.  Second place would be for Russian blond women.  I went around the world and never found a country to beat Czechoslovakia in that art.  It should be put down in the Guinness Book of Records.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: GLC on May 23, 01:12 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes link=topic=90. msg825#msg825 date=1274572740
Yes, GLC Slovakia is beautiful country and you forget to mention that Czechoslovakian women are without exception the prettiest women in the world.   Second place would be for Russian blond women.   I went around the world and never found a country to beat Czechoslovakia in that art.   It should be put down in the Guinness Book of Records. 
Cheers Hermes

Sorry Hermes,  I'm married and over 60 so I tried not to pay too much attention to the ladies.   The misses isn't too fond of that.   I'll just take your word for that because at my age anything under 40 looks great.

GLC
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on May 23, 02:49 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes link=topic=90. msg825#msg825 date=1274572740
Yes, GLC Slovakia is beautiful country and you forget to mention that Czechoslovakian women are without exception the prettiest women in the world.   Second place would be for Russian blond women.   I went around the world and never found a country to beat Czechoslovakia in that art.   It should be put down in the Guinness Book of Records. 
Cheers Hermes

Then you haven't seen closely Ukrainan and Croatian women.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on May 23, 12:28 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes link=topic=90. msg452#msg452 date=1273627387
yes, Kattila but you can play even LD and if loss change to LC.  All alternations work well.  Even hunter's trigger works perfect, like wait 4 Ls (LLLL) and then bet huge with short (3) progression.  Never saw more then 6 Ls in row.
Motorbike put my system with my permission on old VLS but already the name he put on it shows his mental state.  He even didn't mention that he has it from me.  He tested it successfully for couple of months.  That's the last mistake I made and gave to dummy a first class system.  He cannot even explain it properly.  He made dangerous changes on progression.  Will blow bankrolls.
I am disappointed how motorbike explained my system that's why I put it here for clearness.  Experience for the future.
Cheers Hermes


I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND YOU.

STUART
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on May 23, 04:15 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes link=topic=90. msg450#msg450 date=1273615855
4 X 4 DRIVE System

I developed this system for dozens or columns many years ago but it became solid strategy maybe a Holy Grail system first after including to it the Leveller progression.  Before, I used progression, which was money making but couldnââ,¬â,,¢t hold long downdrafts. 

The system is based on playing 2 dozens or columns formations or alternate dozens and columns after loss, which adjusts self to streak and chop trends simultaneously.  The A/B formation change is triggered only after loss occurred. 

Formation A: Bet last 2 dozens coming, sign = (excellent for streaks)
Formation B: Bet 2 dozens against last coming dozen, sign X (excellent for chops)

The Leveller progression: 1/1 - 2/2 - 4/4 - 8/8 units for recommended bankroll of $2,000
                                         1/1 ââ,¬â€œ 2/2 ââ,¬â€œ 4/4 units for recommended bankroll of $1,000 & short strategy

Remember: With Leveller progression if you are losing you don't go home until you are in plus again and I guarantee you will be going home sooner or later.  With Leveller, I have the experience that the progression can take you back even from hell.


In land casinos we find mostly minimum bets on dozens/columns $5 what would apply to the Leveller progression as: $5/5 - $10/10 - $20/20 - $80/80 dollars.
When we reach the top of the progression we play the same amount until we get into positive TOTAL! We will need patience and sufficient bankroll to overcome downdrafts.  Always write down the game in detail!
But when we fulfill those 2 requirements (patience and bankroll) there is possibility that we will never go home as a losers!

In my whole testing period I never got more than 6 losses in row, which is a piece of cake for Leveller.  It can happen that sometimes will come even more losses than 6 in row but there must be involved multiple zeros or ââ,¬Å"magnetic ballââ,¬Â used lately as a scam device strategy by casinos. 

Short Strategy play

The most secure play of this strategy is to wait (play virtually) for one win as a trigger.  Like LLLW now bet! LLW, LW and so onââ,¬Â¦bet always after first win.  This strategy can be beaten only by ââ,¬Å"magnetic ballââ,¬Â.  When you see the ââ,¬Å"magnetic ballââ,¬Â losing pattern often enough run away and never forget the name of the casino!!! The sign of ââ,¬Å"magnetic ballââ,¬Â in play would be that you can never come out of the downfalls! At that occasion the only strategy to choose would be to play on table which is crowded with many gamblers (diversification) or run away.

With the short strategy we will need only half of the bankroll but the same patience!
The recommendation is to play the system only on Live European Roulette Wheels.
The short example will clear the confusion:

D / Bet2D / W/L / Leveller Progression / TOTAL  
1   wait  
3   wait for spins to confirm at least 2 different dozens coming.
--------------------------------------------
3   1/3=   W       5/5            
2   1/3=   L        5/5
3   1/3X   W     10/10
2   1/2X   W       5/5
2   1/3X   L       5/5        BET LAST 2 DOZENS & FURTHEST 2
2   2/3=   W     10/10    SIMULTANEOUSLY-1-DOWN/1-UP
2   2/3=   W      5/5       CATCHING BOTH BETS ON PENULTIMATE.
1   2/3=   L       5/5
1   2/3X   L     10/10      doz-1-2/5+            doz-2-3/10-        5-
2   1/2=   W    20/20      doz-1-2/5+           doz-2-3/10+     10+
1   1/2=   W    20/20      doz-2-1/5+           doz-1-3  5+       20+
3   1/2=   L      5/5         doz-1-2/10-          doz-2-3/ 5+       15+
2   1/2X   W    10/10      doz- 3-1 /30-        doz-1-2/5+        10-
3   1/3X   W     5/5         doz- 2-3/20+        doz-3-1/5+         15+
3   1/2X   L     5/5          doz- 3-2/15+         doz-2-1/5-          25+
3   2/3=   W    10/10     doz-3-2 / 10+        doz-3-1/10+       40+
1   2/3=   L     5/5
0   1/3X   L    10/10
3   1/3=   W   20/20
1   1/3=   W   20/20
2   1/3=    L      5/5
2   1/3X   L    10/10      
1   1/2=    W   20/20
2   1/2=    W   20/20
2   1/2=    W    5/5
2   1/2=    W    5/5
1   1/2=    W    5/5
1   1/2=    W    5/5
1   1/2=    W    5/5
3   1/2=     L    5/5
1   1/2X   W   10/10
3   2/3X   W    5/5
1   1/2X    W   5/5
1   2/3X    L    5/5
3   1/3=    W   10/10

On live, not scammed roulette table, there will be always lot of opportunity in streaks of 2 dozens (one dozen sleeping 20 spins?) in alternation of chops (no streak for 17 spins?) which are covered by the 4x4 Drive strategy.

Constructive tweaks are always welcome.  If you get more than 6 losses in row, please give me a feedback.

Happy testing and winnings.

Hermes    

Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 24, 07:43 PM 2010
Croatian, If you play all what moves you are exposed too much to Euro zero or US double zeros! But you gave me an idea for something else. Keep it always simple and secured.
I remember nice time in  Croatia. Especially, Umag, Portoroz, Rieka, Pula and even Zagreb. Nice country.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on May 25, 03:35 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes link=topic=90. msg916#msg916 date=1274744591
Croatian, If you play all what moves you are exposed too much to Euro zero or US double zeros! But you gave me an idea for something else.  Keep it always simple and secured.
I remember nice time in  Croatia.  Especially, Umag, Portoroz, Rieka, Pula and even Zagreb.  Nice country. 
Cheers Hermes

I only gave basic idea of particular bet example,which could be applied with different approach-stop L/W-as it could be play not only dozens,but columns,E/C and some other bets. . . . . when hitting penultimate you get the double win,and-STOP-switching to next method. . . . . . meaning betting several different methods alternative and whenever in +you switch to the next method.
-Rijeka/Opatija/where am from--next time you come will take you to casino Admiral-Opatija-La partage on E/C. . . . . . Yes nice country with 1400 islands. . . . . and most beautifull women-btw.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: chovek69 on May 25, 03:14 PM 2010
What a nice bunch of East european people.  And to add to it I am from Bulgaria. 
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on May 25, 04:13 PM 2010
Quote from: chovek69 on May 25, 03:14 PM 2010
What a nice bunch of East european people.  And to add to it I am from Bulgaria. 

Been there playing at casino Princess and Viva.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: GLC on May 26, 12:47 AM 2010
Quote from: chovek69 link=topic=90. msg984#msg984 date=1274814847
What a nice bunch of East european people.   And to add to it I am from Bulgaria.  

Dobur Den Chovek69,

I lived in Sofia for a couple of years in the late 90's.   First in the Krasno Cello area and later in an apartment near the Russian Embassy.   Wow, what an interesting city.   Made some really good friends there.   Had some interesting trips to Plovdiv, Burgas and Varna.   The Black Sea was wonderful.   I wasn't playing Roulette at the time so I didn't frequent the casino.   

May you find the holy grail and win "mnogo leva. "

GLC
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on May 26, 01:09 AM 2010
cps10 and Atlantis are master progression makers.
Bulgarian, than you know Zlate Piesky next to Varna? I was there long time ago. The biggest and best peaches I ate in my life. After eating them you have to take a shower.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Mistarlupo on Jun 01, 06:51 PM 2010
// offtopic
Zlate Piesky, Zolotye Peski, Zlatni Piasaci, Golden Sands... :) Not a bad place.

(link:://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:pJHshwIEIihpOM:link:://:.ekskurzia.info/pics/bulgaria/sl_briag/1.jpg) (link:://:.ekskurzia.info/pics/bulgaria/sl_briag/1.jpg)

It's like Vegas now. Many hotels, many people, many casinos... Not to mention the nice young girls from all over Europe :) ... But a bit excessively crowded resort to be honest.

GLC, where are you from my friend?

Greetings to the fellas from Croatia and Slovakia! ;)

*chovek, drasni edin skaip ako iskash, sus sushtoto ime shte me namerish.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Jun 03, 11:59 PM 2010
Chvala lepa a prijatno! Volim picky.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Jun 04, 09:26 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 03, 11:59 PM 2010
Chvala lepa a prijatno! Volim picky.
Hermes
YOU TOO.Who doesn't.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: GLC on Jun 04, 04:49 PM 2010
Quote from: Mistarlupo on Jun 01, 06:51 PM 2010
// offtopic
Zlate Piesky, Zolotye Peski, Zlatni Piasaci, Golden Sands... :) Not a bad place.

(link:://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:pJHshwIEIihpOM:link:://:.ekskurzia.info/pics/bulgaria/sl_briag/1.jpg) (link:://:.ekskurzia.info/pics/bulgaria/sl_briag/1.jpg)

It's like Vegas now. Many hotels, many people, many casinos... Not to mention the nice young girls from all over Europe :) ... But a bit excessively crowded resort to be honest.

GLC, where are you from my friend?

Greetings to the fellas from Croatia and Slovakia! ;)

*chovek, drasni edin skaip ako iskash, sus sushtoto ime shte me namerish.

Mistarlupo,

I'm live in Tucson, AZ.  My church sent me to Eastern Europe, specifically Bulgaria for a couple of years.  And no, it wasn't to try out my latest Roulette system. lol

George
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Wally Gator on Jun 04, 08:04 PM 2010
What a great forum, again!!!

Thanks for all your efforts, Victor.   It's great to see so many of the people here who actually share their ideas openly.

Thank you.

I'm going to Foxwoods this weekend and will by trying Hermes approach.   Thanks for sharing, Hermes.

Wally Gator
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Jun 05, 04:30 AM 2010
Hermes,
Which place you coming from???
I'm often at Znojmo/border with Austria/playing at Colosseum-Admiral,
sometimes staying  4-7 days/free food,drinks,hotel/as am having gold entry card/
and the balls are very good to play with/heavy and not much scatter/especially
on table 4---very good for VB players.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Jun 05, 08:30 PM 2010
I live in Canada but when I come visit Bratislava I will go to Znojmo. They have good vine and picky. Bratislava has also 2 casinos but I like casinos in Switzerland most.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Jun 06, 01:57 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 05, 08:30 PM 2010
I live in Canada but when I come visit Bratislava I will go to Znojmo. They have good vine and picky. Bratislava has also 2 casinos but I like casinos in Switzerland most.
Hermes

Many Chinese piÃ,,kas in Znojmo.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Jun 06, 12:02 PM 2010
Male picky! Not good. Don't tell me about Chinese, they are everywhere. In Canada you throw stone and kill only Chinese or Indian from India and in Toronto even African-Canadian.

Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Jun 06, 12:18 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 06, 12:02 PM 2010
Male picky! Not good. Don't tell me about Chinese, they are everywhere. In Canada you throw stone and kill only Chinese or Indian from India and in Toronto even African-Canadian. They crawl over the world like c***roaches.
Hermes

They call it democracy--or--cheap working bulk.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Jun 07, 12:27 PM 2010
No, they call it multiculturalism to break down the national pride. They did the same with Europe to break down nationalities in Germany, France and England. Only England is smart enough. Multiculturalism means sheep heard like USA and Canada, easy to enslave. That's what they want to do with the whole world. High-Tech slavery. They need lot of stupid sheep.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Jun 07, 01:56 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 07, 12:27 PM 2010
No, they call it multiculturalism to break down the national pride. They did the same with Europe to break down nationalities in Germany, France and England. Only England is smart enough. Multiculturalism means sheep heard like USA and Canada, easy to enslave. That's what they want to do with the whole world. High-Tech slavery. They need lot of stupid sheep.
Hermes
Have learned it in Australia.Thank god am retired now.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Jun 09, 10:46 AM 2010
Hermes they have had slaves of some kind since day one.
Here in the US the middle class is going away soon it will be like the UK just poor and rich no middle.
So that is Slaves and the bureaucrats that's it. And somehow the bureaucrats always get rich.

Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Jun 09, 02:08 PM 2010
Quote from: bikemotorman on Jun 09, 10:46 AM 2010
Hermes they have had slaves of some kind since day one.
Here in the US the middle class is going away soon it will be like the UK just poor and rich no middle.
So that is Slaves and the bureaucrats that's it. And somehow the bureaucrats always get rich.

Stuart
Money makes money,my friend.Same in casino,if you come with a hundred bucks to win thousand you will lose for sure,but with thousand to win hundred,well
thats another story.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Jun 11, 09:36 PM 2010
I got an idea! Because we expect streak of W after the trigger why not to play instead of progression PARLAY for 3 bets? If you win first bet let it ride on table for 2 more spins (but close your eyes during spins)? After first win you have to ad 1 unit to 2/2.
W-WWW that's all we need. After 3rd win reset to 1/1 unit.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Jun 12, 04:32 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Jun 11, 09:36 PM 2010
I got an idea! Because we expect streak of W after the trigger why not to play instead of progression PARLAY for 3 bets? If you win first bet let it ride on table for 2 more spins (but close your eyes during spins)? After first win you have to ad 1 unit to 2/2.
W-WWW that's all we need. After 3rd win reset to 1/1 unit.
Hermes
Wouldn,t work dear Hermes.Every fourth try you woud have
to win one parlay just to be only even.I got  better idea,not thinking about roulette while soccer world champions are on.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Jun 21, 06:30 PM 2010
That's perfect chovek, thanks.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: warrior on Jul 31, 05:08 PM 2010
I think this is the best double dozen bet .
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: GLC on Jul 31, 08:55 PM 2010
Quote from: warrior on Jul 31, 05:08 PM 2010
I think this is the best double dozen bet .

Warrior,

How are you playing this?  Continuous?  Wait for LW, LLW, LLLW etc...?  And what progression?  Leveller or Atlantis' 5 at a level bet?

Thanks,

George
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: warrior on Jul 31, 09:57 PM 2010
Quote from: GLC on Jul 31, 08:55 PM 2010
Warrior,

How are you playing this?  Continuous?  Wait for LW, LLW, LLLW etc...?  And what progression?  Leveller or Atlantis' 5 at a level bet?

Thanks,

George
DEPENDS if  i want to make a few units, hit and run i play  continuous with the leveller,the safer way is to wait for a LW BOTH WORK WELL . W.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: albalaha on Jul 31, 11:49 PM 2010
I personally feel that no one should copy someone's original ideas/systems and if he has to suggest some alterations, it should be done in the original thread itself.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Wally Gator on Aug 01, 12:41 PM 2010
Hermes, my friend.  I'm obviously doing someting wrong.  How about some help.  Maybe it's my age!!!  :'(  Yikes!  I'm playing 1/1/, 2/2, 4/4, remaining at 4/4 until in profit.


NO.
9
16
11
17
0
36
28
26
6
15
1
11
34
27
30
23
32
4
32
8
13
15
30
4
13
8
34
13
26
1
30
11
5
1
29
36
19
20
26
30
36
21
21
14
8
4
36
30
35
5
18
24
10
34
26
11
21
33
25
9
23
35
13
24
18
8
11
15
3
17
10
17
23
33
19
3
9
20
24
33
22
16
24
6
9
26
26
22
30
1
5
34
22
4
7
20
8
34
8
12
2
28
20
9
30
20
30
29
22
27
14
32
8
24
22
17
7
4
7
33
24
3
1
26
4
5
6
19
22
4
15
23
33
2
32
21
26
27
6
7
7
22
32
22
35
13
1
28
11
23
5
26
13
36
15
6
35
16
13
0
11
14
10
29
29
20
31
2
16
1
5
16
27
3
33
29
29
9
34
29
2
32
22
0
17
0
20
10
7
1
28
34
25
36
4
17
34
31
5
8
6
4
24
4
15
17
30
20
13
15
34
19
15
7
7
34
1

DZ
1
2
1
2
0
3
3
3
1
2
1
1
3
3
3
2
3
1
3
1
2
2
3
1
2
1
3
2
3
1
3
1
1
1
3
3
2
2
3
3
3
2
2
2
1
1
3
3
3
1
2
2
1
3
3
1
2
3
3
1
2
3
2
2
2
1
1
2
1
2
1
2
2
3
2
1
1
2
2
3
2
2
2
1
1
3
3
2
3
1
1
3
2
1
1
2
1
3
1
1
1
3
2
1
3
2
3
3
2
3
2
3
1
2
2
2
1
1
1
3
2
1
1
3
1
1
1
2
2
1
2
2
3
1
3
2
3
3
1
1
1
2
3
2
3
2
1
3
1
2
1
3
2
3
2
1
3
2
2
0
1
2
1
3
3
2
3
1
2
1
1
2
3
1
3
3
3
1
3
3
1
3
2
0
2
0
2
1
1
1
3
3
3
3
1
2
3
3
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
2
3
2
2
2
3
2
2
1
1
3
1

DZ TO PLAY
0
0
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X

W/L
0
0
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W

BET
0
0
1
1
-2
-4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-2
2
2
2
-2
-4
4
2
2
2
2
2
-2
-4
-8
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
-8
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4

TOTAL
0
0
1
2
0
-4
-12
-8
-16
-12
-8
-16
-12
-20
-28
-36
-32
-28
-24
-20
-16
-24
-32
-28
-24
-20
-16
-12
-8
-4
0
4
2
4
6
8
6
2
6
8
10
12
14
16
14
10
2
-6
-2
2
-6
-14
-10
-18
-26
-22
-30
-26
-34
-42
-38
-34
-30
-38
-34
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-54
-62
-58
-54
-62
-58
-66
-62
-70
-66
-62
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-66
-62
-58
-54
-50
-58
-54
-62
-58
-54
-50
-46
-54
-50
-46
-54
-62
-58
-66
-62
-70
-78
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-66
-74
-82
-78
-86
-82
-78
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-54
-50
-46
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-42
-38
-34
-42
-50
-46
-42
-38
-34
-42
-38
-46
-42
-38
-46
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-54
-50
-58
-66
-62
-70
-78
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-78
-86
-94
-90
-86
-94
-90
-86
-94
-102
-98
-106
-102
-98
-94
-90
-98
-106
-114
-110
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: warrior on Aug 01, 01:16 PM 2010
Quote from: Wally Gator on Aug 01, 12:41 PM 2010
Hermes, my friend.  I'm obviously doing someting wrong.  How about some help.  Maybe it's my age!!!  :'(  Yikes!  I'm playing 1/1/, 2/2, 4/4, remaining at 4/4 until in profit.


NO.
9
16
11
17
0
36
28
26
6
15
1
11
34
27
30
23
32
4
32
8
13
15
30
4
13
8
34
13
26
1
30
11
5
1
29
36
19
20
26
30
36
21
21
14
8
4
36
30
35
5
18
24
10
34
26
11
21
33
25
9
23
35
13
24
18
8
11
15
3
17
10
17
23
33
19
3
9
20
24
33
22
16
24
6
9
26
26
22
30
1
5
34
22
4
7
20
8
34
8
12
2
28
20
9
30
20
30
29
22
27
14
32
8
24
22
17
7
4
7
33
24
3
1
26
4
5
6
19
22
4
15
23
33
2
32
21
26
27
6
7
7
22
32
22
35
13
1
28
11
23
5
26
13
36
15
6
35
16
13
0
11
14
10
29
29
20
31
2
16
1
5
16
27
3
33
29
29
9
34
29
2
32
22
0
17
0
20
10
7
1
28
34
25
36
4
17
34
31
5
8
6
4
24
4
15
17
30
20
13
15
34
19
15
7
7
34
1

DZ
1
2
1
2
0
3
3
3
1
2
1
1
3
3
3
2
3
1
3
1
2
2
3
1
2
1
3
2
3
1
3
1
1
1
3
3
2
2
3
3
3
2
2
2
1
1
3
3
3
1
2
2
1
3
3
1
2
3
3
1
2
3
2
2
2
1
1
2
1
2
1
2
2
3
2
1
1
2
2
3
2
2
2
1
1
3
3
2
3
1
1
3
2
1
1
2
1
3
1
1
1
3
2
1
3
2
3
3
2
3
2
3
1
2
2
2
1
1
1
3
2
1
1
3
1
1
1
2
2
1
2
2
3
1
3
2
3
3
1
1
1
2
3
2
3
2
1
3
1
2
1
3
2
3
2
1
3
2
2
0
1
2
1
3
3
2
3
1
2
1
1
2
3
1
3
3
3
1
3
3
1
3
2
0
2
0
2
1
1
1
3
3
3
3
1
2
3
3
1
1
1
1
2
1
2
2
3
2
2
2
3
2
2
1
1
3
1

DZ TO PLAY
0
0
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3X
1/3X
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
2/3X
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2
1/2X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
1/2X
2/3
2/3X
1/3
1/3
1/3
1/3X
2/3X
1/3X
1/2
1/2X
1/3X
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3
2/3X
1/2
1/2X

W/L
0
0
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W
W
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
L
W
L
W
W
L
W
W
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
W
W
W
W
L
L
L
W

BET
0
0
1
1
-2
-4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-2
2
2
2
-2
-4
4
2
2
2
2
2
-2
-4
-8
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
-8
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
-8
-8
4
4
4
-8
4
-8
-8
-8
4
4
-8
4
4
-8
-8
4
-8
4
4
4
4
-8
-8
-8
4

TOTAL
0
0
1
2
0
-4
-12
-8
-16
-12
-8
-16
-12
-20
-28
-36
-32
-28
-24
-20
-16
-24
-32
-28
-24
-20
-16
-12
-8
-4
0
4
2
4
6
8
6
2
6
8
10
12
14
16
14
10
2
-6
-2
2
-6
-14
-10
-18
-26
-22
-30
-26
-34
-42
-38
-34
-30
-38
-34
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-14
-22
-18
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-54
-62
-58
-54
-62
-58
-66
-62
-70
-66
-62
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-66
-62
-58
-54
-50
-58
-54
-62
-58
-54
-50
-46
-54
-50
-46
-54
-62
-58
-66
-62
-70
-78
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-66
-74
-82
-78
-86
-82
-78
-74
-70
-66
-62
-58
-54
-50
-46
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-42
-38
-34
-42
-50
-46
-42
-38
-34
-42
-38
-46
-42
-38
-46
-42
-38
-34
-30
-26
-22
-30
-38
-46
-54
-50
-58
-66
-62
-70
-78
-74
-70
-66
-74
-70
-78
-86
-94
-90
-86
-94
-90
-86
-94
-102
-98
-106
-102
-98
-94
-90
-98
-106
-114
-110
wally YOU COULD OFF STOPED AT +4 2 4 6 8  6 2  6 8 10 12  14 16 14 10 2 PLAYING CONTINUOUSLY, OR PLAY WITH  L W  and bet after an W AND YOU  BE AHEAD .W.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on Aug 01, 01:22 PM 2010
You know Victor s  Lw program , right? LD, JD,LC,JC
Swich from one to other.
Example:
play last  two dozens, you lose, swich to last two columns and so on
or
play last two doz., you lose , swich to JD(jump dozens)......


Wally G. ,  the best way is wait the  first W  after  one or more L s,
than start to bet until comes the first L, and  when appear this first L,
swich to another group (from LD to any ...JD, LC,JC) but  you wait the
W after Ls again.

Example:

start play virtual LD( last two doz. )
L
L
L   still wait
W  trigger, bet now
L   take the lose,swich to LC(last two col. ),wait trigger
W  trigger bet now
W   win
W   win
L  take the lose, swich to LD, wait  the first W !
L
L
L   still  wait
W  trigger , bet now
W  win
W  win
W  win
L   take the lose, swich to LC, wait trigger
L   still wait
W  trigger
W
W
W
W

try to catch  the :: streaks

the progression is correct 1/1,  2/2,  4/4 stay on 4/4
until bankroll in plus.


just my way to play this method
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 01, 01:49 PM 2010
Wally, you play completely wrong. I play it now $10 minimum table and I would be a millionaire on those numbers. First at all why you play the 8, greed? Leveller 1-2-4 but bet the 4 until you get TOTAL in PLUS.  You don't jump 8 4 8 4 and so on...Wait one spin after any zero!
Warrior gave you good advice, play the LW strategy! You won 17 spins in row and ended as loser?
I came recently from Las Vegas won $400 with 4x4 and only once was down - 35 chips but even than went home as a winner. The Paki female dealer (bitc) span 7 zeros in 40 spins. I don't know how they can do it? They are magicians! I would win more but salmonella from cheesecake stopped me in the middle of the trip.
The system works in waves. When you are on bottom hold, when you are on top cash, that's why the LW strategy makes it holy grail! Needs patience, for sure! But in 90% of the time I never went into total minus for the whole session, and didn't even played LW but straight (on $1 table they push you to play every spin)
Next time do it right.
I even didn't know that I am a topic moderator, thanks for the flowers.
Cheers hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Wally Gator on Aug 01, 02:13 PM 2010
@Hermes, @Kattila,

OK, I understand your logic and will revisit it.  I was not playing 8 4 8 4.  It was +4 on a win and -8 on a loss (4/4).  I'll see how it does with the wait after a zero and using the LW.

Thanks for the help.

Wally
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 01, 02:48 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 01, 01:49 PM 2010
Wally, you play completely wrong. I play it now $10 minimum table and I would be a millionaire on those numbers. First at all why you play the 8, greed? Leveller 1-2-4 but bet the 4 until you get TOTAL in PLUS.  You don't jump 8 4 8 4 and so on...Wait one spin after any zero!
Warrior gave you good advice, play the LW strategy! You won 17 spins in row and ended as loser?
I came recently from Las Vegas won $400 with 4x4 and only once was down - 35 chips but even than went home as a winner. The Paki female dealer (bitc) span 7 zeros in 40 spins. I don't know how they can do it? They are magicians! I would win more but salmonella from cheesecake stopped me in the middle of the trip.
The system works in waves. When you are on bottom hold, when you are on top cash, that's why the LW strategy makes it holy grail! Needs patience, for sure! But in 90% of the time I never went into total minus for the whole session, and didn't even played LW but straight (on $1 table they push you to play every spin)
Next time do it right.
I even didn't know that I am a topic moderator, thanks for the flowers.
Cheers hermes

How they can do it?????
My dear Hermes,today they can see you what you are
having for breakfast,let alone what you are playing and how to
stop you.Unless you are playing on a crowded table,DO NOT PLAY.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 01, 06:11 PM 2010
Lat they cannot stop 4x4 drive because the occurrence of winning numbers for 4x4 always come just wait for it (LW). That means 66% wins and 33% losses.
The wheels in "cheap" LV casinos are old fashion wooden deep pockets not like that one in Canada, metal and shallow, already suspicious for magnetic balls. Bias players could be successful in LV old casinos like Sahara, Circus Circus and all casinos in downtown. Don't go to the expensive one like MGM, Escalibur, Bellagio or Encore!
And for sure 4x4 drive is not for RNGs (not enough drive!). Even live online casinos are suspicious of changing the screens using the technology of Hollywood movies. Land casinos (Canada is exception) are the only survival for fair games.
hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 06, 01:42 PM 2010
:(

Oups, my own numbers maybe belong to the devil. . .
I just tried the 4 x 4 drive system
and after +11 on the dz and +6 on the colums for the 1st session,
i just saw a horrible. . .  - 115 units on the dz !!!!

I made the tests w/o any stop loss to see what's going on. . .
Now i know :-(

Any target win idea ? +5, +8 ?
Any stop loss idea ?
but even with stop loss, if it's possible to see such hell session. . .
i really wonder if it deserves more tests  ???

I used Hermes basic rules and leveller with small mod : 1/1 2/2 3/3 4/4

Cheers.
Jordan69
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 06, 03:35 PM 2010
Jordan I sent you a pm.
You could do it this way but it takes longer to recover. If played LW strategy you even don't have to many opportunities to go to 4/4. The 3/3 sticks in the way.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 06, 06:17 PM 2010
Thanks Hermes for ur quick reply, that's nice.

Unfortunatly, when i had this hell session on dozens, i played with LW trigger. . .
Maybe i must wait for LLW for a safer game ?

I don't know what to think. 
Perhaps it was only a horrible session but i'm not sure to be honest. . .

I think to a stop loss to avoid such deadly session  :-\

Will see what happens later.
Cheers.

Jordan69

Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 07, 11:02 AM 2010
If played the rules this system doesn't need stop-loss but patience. I was down -35 chips after 7 zeros and went home with +7 chips, played every spin. You don't quit when you are on the bottom of the wave but when you come on the top of the wave. The system works in waves if played every spin. The LW strategy does shortcuts. Exploits the uneven distribution which is part of every game. Balance and imbalance chasing each other all the time making a waves. Waves are sign of life!
Do more testings until you get confident.
The LV one D/C or the semi-infallible are also excellent systems.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 07, 05:00 PM 2010
Thanks for your advices.
More tests are of course necessary.
I understand what u mean. . .  but i was down - 115 units  :-\
that's why i thought to a stop loss.
cause i can't believe i could come back of a - 115 units hole.
Have to stay positive, true ;)
Cheers.
Jordan69
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 07, 09:58 PM 2010
I cannot understand how could you be down -115 chips? Must be Armageddon roulette with 5 zeros? There is nothing to test anymore, only play on real wheels, not RNGs.
If you play LW strategy you can be down maximum 15 chips even that is too much. I was down -35 units after 7 zeros and played every spin (no LW) and came back as a winner.
You did something wrong. Put some short example of play that I can see what you are doing.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 08, 04:42 AM 2010
Hermes, i never play RNG, no way.
I played only live wheels (single 0).

I used LW trigger.
To be honest, i dont think i'm wrong but i would really like :)

I want to contribute :)
Thanks for ur help.
I will send u right now a PM with all numbers of this hell session !
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 08, 11:04 AM 2010
Thanks Jordan I will look at it and give you answer. If it was online live numbers it is not too much different from RNGs. They cheat also by computerized screens like Hollywood movies do (I am also movie director and photographer next to naturopathic doctor)
Only in land casino you see the whole action but even there they start to use magnetic balls in play. Gambling industry is a second Wall Street. It is a legal crime (politicians involved).
Greed has no boundary, in human history greed is absolute!
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 08, 12:46 PM 2010
You're welcome Hermes.
The numbers used came from a real land casino. . .
One of the biggest in France.
I never use RNG.  Don't want to be rip off ;)

Jordan69
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 01:34 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 08, 11:04 AM 2010
Thanks Jordan I will look at it and give you answer. If it was online live numbers it is not too much different from RNGs. They cheat also by computerized screens like Hollywood movies do (I am also movie director and photographer next to naturopathic doctor)
Only in land casino you see the whole action but even there they start to use magnetic balls in play. Gambling industry is a second Wall Street. It is a legal crime (politicians involved).
Greed has no boundary, in human history greed is absolute!
Hermes
Correct Hermes,
Long time I'm aware of that fact.Play only in crowded tables.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: GLC on Aug 08, 02:30 PM 2010
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 01:34 PM 2010
Correct Hermes,
Long time I'm aware of that fact.Play only in crowded tables.

Let me see if I've got this right:  only play in real land based casinos and only play at crowded tables.  Well, that shouldn't eliminate more than about 98% of us.  Oh, I forgot, I can go to Vegas once a year for a few days, so I'm in like Flint.

Thanks for the encouragement guys.

George
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 03:28 PM 2010
George my friend,
That is a real fact.Here in EU we have many more opportunites
to choose.For instance,here in Croatia,pro players are going
to play to nearby Slovenia/EU/where the criterias are different,
controled by EU authorities,while here there is only players
now while the tourists are here.All corrupted.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: GLC on Aug 08, 05:28 PM 2010
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 03:28 PM 2010
George my friend,
That is a real fact.Here in EU we have many more opportunites
to choose.For instance,here in Croatia,pro players are going
to play to nearby Slovenia/EU/where the criterias are different,
controled by EU authorities,while here there is only players
now while the tourists are here.All corrupted.

F_LAT_INO,

A few years back I went to Split, Croatia for some Rest and Relaxation.  Not too far South of where you live.  Stayed on the sea in the Perisic Pension.  Thought I had died and gone to heaven.  Eating grapes the size of a black chip right off the vine.  Maybe one of these days I'll get back, once we find the holy grail, and go up to Slovenia with you and check out some casinos.  Till then, good luck my friend and enjoy those beaches and fabulous sunsets.

George
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 09, 12:21 PM 2010
Yes, F LAT INO all government politicians mafia, they same in Canada! When you win too much they kill you or will not exchange the chips! Italian owners of casinos did it in Las Vegas on the beginning. There was a casino ship in Indonesia and when somebody won they threw him overboard and swimming suite was not included. Only losers came back to dry land.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 11, 05:14 AM 2010
Quote from: GLC on Aug 08, 05:28 PM 2010
F_LAT_INO,

A few years back I went to Split, Croatia for some Rest and Relaxation.  Not too far South of where you live.  Stayed on the sea in the Perisic Pension.  Thought I had died and gone to heaven.  Eating grapes the size of a black chip right off the vine.  Maybe one of these days I'll get back, once we find the holy grail, and go up to Slovenia with you and check out some casinos.  Till then, good luck my friend and enjoy those beaches and fabulous sunsets.

George

Split,I was born and grew up and lived there up to 2000,but
come to live here in Opatija cause it is very near to EU,where I'm
frequent guest to casinos.Don't worry about a HG,--as I wouldn't
last all these years,literaly living in casinos,if I didn't have a winning
strategy on EC on En Prison table,in other words---no zero.
I know PeriÃ...¡iÃ,,‡ pansion very well,in Podstrana,as my late moth.is from there.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 13, 08:09 PM 2010
And here for the who don't believe in politicians involvement into gambling. The politicians started in LV long time ago by taking casinos from mafia. Now they go for online casinos also.
Politicians are the mafia now. Who can guard fairness and regulate the games when politicians are the bosses? Nobody! Absolute power!
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 15, 09:35 PM 2010
Jordan gave me a shitty numbers but even with those WLWLWLWL which destroy the game it won +8 units and +16 units after correction of 2 mistakes I made.
I made a modification: 4x4 Drive Turbo.
Simple instructions:
You bet all chops and against doubles because they come often but when triple comes (could be 9 in row!) stop and wait for different D or C as a trigger to bet chops again. Wait after zero one spin. That's it. The Leveller progression stay. You can lose only on triples and zeros!
LW strategy appreciated.
Chop definition = bet 2 D or C against last coming D or C.

I want to attach the whole Jordan's nightmare numbers game but it didn't took the attachment 2.27 MB. Said, it is too long.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 16, 12:27 AM 2010
I just pm you Hermes.
But i just want to say here : Thanks for ur help.

I share now the shitty numbers session with you guys.
Hermes, i wait for your results by email but probably wont be online
before wesnesday because of trip.
Cheers.

Jordan69

Numbers (single zero wheel) :

9, 28, 9, 5, 2, 31, 12, 14, 28, 6, 3, 11, 20, 15, 5, 4,
31, 28, 5, 29, 3, 33, 35, 11, 23, 6, 17, 26, 29, 30, 7,
20, 10, 4, 36, 21, 18, 19, 8, 22, 1, 27, 11, 17, 2, 0,
7, 31, 7, 7, 31, 9, 23, 21, 8, 12, 7, 28, 6, 4, 33, 14,
11, 36, 19, 15, 5, 9, 20, 16, 24, 34, 36, 25, 16, 9, 21,
36, 0, 29, 19, 4, 5, 8, 17, 33, 8, 1, 20, 28, 33, 8, 19,
19, 8, 33, 7, 2, 28, 2, 24, 29, 13, 18, 6, 31, 14, 2, 21,


Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 16, 05:04 PM 2010
It is good idea to mark down both, the dozens and the columns at the same time because if one is disaster the other is smooth. D and C are only 1/3 similar and 2/3 different. You can see with the pure eyes which one is performing better for the system (The choppy one is a champion).
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 18, 05:43 AM 2010
Hi Hermes and all the guys involved,

Here's my first post today.

I send you now my results with the "famous" shitty numbers WITHOUT LW TRIGGER

I played with first basic rules (not with the 4 x 4 turbo drive, I will test it today or tomorrow).

So rules for this test was :
- Leveller 1 2 4
- After 0, we wait one spin
- All spins played (ASP)
- There is no trigger (No LW)
- Play = and x
- As soon i'm level or ahead, play only 1 unit


I finished the test on + 4 but I reached a very interesting + 17...

Of course it was a full test on tough numbers so I go till the end.
Normally I would have stopped early :)

Target win ? +8 +10 + 12 ? Not determined yet so all thought are welcome.

Cheers.

Jordan69

PS : next post with LW trigger... looks not so good...

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Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 18, 05:46 AM 2010
Here's my second post today.

Test with "Famous" shitty numbers...

Results with LW trigger.

Ok it' not a - 115 units session but it looks very bad...
- 41 units at the end !!

I played with first basic rules (not with the 4 x 4 turbo drive, I will test it today or tomorrow).

So rules for this test was :
- Leveller 1 2 4
- We use a LW trigger
- After 0, we wait one spin (LW trigger is actived so it's the same)
- Play = and x
- As soon i'm level or ahead, play only 1 unit


I finished the test on a very bad - 41 units...

So once again, to my mind, the stop-loss question have to be clarified...

Cheers.

Jordan69

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Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 18, 05:48 AM 2010
Hope you enjoy the contribution guys  :)
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: VLS on Aug 18, 10:02 AM 2010
Quote from: jordan69 on Aug 18, 05:48 AM 2010
Hope you enjoy the contribution guys  :)

Thanks for uploading your results.

Pretty-looking or not, we want the whole truth. That's the point of testing  :thumbsup:

Cheers fr contributing!
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 18, 11:31 AM 2010
Thanks Jordan for the early warnings. It must be pretty shitty in France and everywhere else on the planet when even the roulette numbers mirror the present rotten world. It is complicated to chose what version to play because in LV the original version did without problems 40-50 chips. It must be geographical!
After you scared me (ha,ha,ha) I play the modification with LW.  Probably more aggressive progression is needed? But it still wins even only a little.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 18, 02:12 PM 2010
Quote from: VLS on Aug 18, 10:02 AM 2010
Thanks for uploading your results.

we want the whole truth.

Cheers fr contributing!
Yes Victor,
But I personally don't take this testing seriously....only past act.perm.
should be considered as a testing proof.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 18, 02:39 PM 2010
For your information, the numbers come from
a real permanence, in a land casino in France.
Single zero, European wheel.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 18, 02:47 PM 2010
Quote from: jordan69 on Aug 18, 02:39 PM 2010
For your information, the numbers come from
a real permanence, in a land casino in France.
Single zero, European wheel.
Which casino,so we can check it up.
That is the only and proper way.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 18, 03:14 PM 2010
Man, i played roulette for more than 15 years...
it's a long time ago.
I have a lot of permanence.
It's impossible to check ! You even dont know this casino !
I live in Lyon, France.
Why check numbers ? you dont believe me ?
I'm here to contribute, not to be investigate, thanks.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 18, 03:44 PM 2010
Quote from: jordan69 on Aug 18, 03:14 PM 2010
Man, I played roulette for more than 15 years...
it's a long time ago.
I have a lot of permanence.
It's impossible to check ! You even don't know this casino !
I live in Lyon, France.
Why check numbers ? you don't believe me ?
I'm here to contribute, not to be investigate, thanks.
Jordan dear,
You are trayin to prove that there is no CWB,which you repeating
aloud now and again.Not that I don't believe you but just mentioned
that only easy check up permanences should be valid.
Maybe I know the casino...Was playing in Le Pharaon there.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 18, 04:20 PM 2010
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 18, 03:44 PM 2010
Jordan dear,
You are trayin to prove that there is no consistent winning bet,which you repeating
aloud now and again.Not that I don't believe you but just mentioned
that only easy check up permanences should be valid.
Maybe I know the casino...Was playing in Le Pharaon there.


Man, sorry but you're wrong ! i'm not Jordan, the guy who try to prove there
is no consistent winning bet.......
I'm Jordan69, not the same guy :)
I just want to make my best to help and contribute to this system that i like.
I'm in touch with Hermes and we have some very good exchanges about it.

You're right, check up true and valid permanences are the best way
but these permanences are quite old, 8 or 9 years ago.
I kept it cause very often, the tests with these numbers are tough for the
systems. It's quite strange but it's true.
If you know Le Pharaon, great :) but it's the other named "Le Lyon Vert"
One of the biggest in France.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 18, 04:32 PM 2010
Sorry thought you are the same person.
Yes valid,easily checked numbers should only count.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 20, 08:35 PM 2010
OK, I am giving you the numbers from LV to see how the system performs on "normal" wheels. Those are the numbers from LV when I first time played 4x4 on $1 table:
11,27,8,30,00,14,16,15,23,18,10,36,18,27,7,11,1,4,2,36,12,31,9,3,7,21,30,32,20,28,18,8,30,35,4,28,17,20,16,5,16,31,34,4,1,33,20,29,18,31,11,8,14,28,18,24,6,0,30,13,2,21,36,16, 13,12,30,24,7,10,19,1,1,35,36,23,33,17,28,11,18,16,31,12,10,32,30,34,3,14,0,29,5,4,23,00,3,23,28,24,28,28,5,11,26,23,31,9.
Now play 4x4 the original way, streaks and chops alternating, and tell me your score?

The next game in LV I played already on $5 table and here are the numbers:
28,8,27,36,36,3,22,35,13,7,8,12,20,16,19,13,2,17,35,5,22,26,5,7,12,27,20,30,18,26,2,18,4,19,25,12,24,23,6,27,0,29,29,6,31,14,11,33,30,22,18,8,34,14,4,17,10,6,20,6,16,18,29,00,7,33,7,36,28,20,4,25,9,23,22,31,36,8,26,3,2,33,4,26,12,10,15,29,33,27,17,32,19,29,11,0,14,14,12,23,3,0,00,18,5,21,23,16,33,23,2,4,29,20,36,21,28,5,21,12,26,21,30,11,17,12,25,17,21,7,29,32,32,00,27,19,00,2,22,18,13,34,6,5,30,00,23,0,12,28,31,9,26,36,24,33,30,28,5, 36,18,10,20,18,13,12,6,34,9,33,15,2,16,0,00,29,4,27,4,27,10,14,12,22,26,23,21,25,10,25,13,00,32,33,34,24,27,22,14,22.
Tired after that marathon game went sleep to hotel. Tell me the score from that game? You will be surprised.
Cheers Hermes
P.S. I can see the page screwed up to lanscape sheet. Not my fold.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 21, 04:28 AM 2010
Hermes mate,
Which hotel you were staying in,and which casinos you were playing.Asking this cause
am going there for a New year and need all available infos from the first hand.Thanks.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 21, 06:49 AM 2010
Stay at the Circus Circus and use that as ure base to hit other Casino's !

Dont go out alone after darkk......
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 21, 07:00 AM 2010
Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 21, 06:49 AM 2010
Stay at the Circus Circus and use that as your base to hit other Casino's !

don't go out alone after darkk......
Have already reserved Stratosphere hotel,its near
old and a new town.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 21, 07:42 AM 2010
Try the Sky Jump, opened April 23  ;D

Im gonna on my next trip !
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 21, 04:26 PM 2010
I was in CircusCircus and it is what it says! BS. I got there salmonella. Gypsy hotel. Stratosphere is a nice hotel with roulette 5 min./2,000 max.  To the left 2 miles is downtown where on the right hand is casino El Cortes with roulette $1/500. There are a few casinos in downtown. I like most Shara casino which is only 5 minutes walk to your right and after comes on the right CircusCircus. Buy a pass for bus for $20 for 5 days, that's the cheapest transportation and it takes you through the whole Vegas. Taxi are expensive! Be careful what you put in your mouth in that hot weather, salmonella everywhere! Protect yourself every day with bottle of brandy, but nothing is cheap in LV. Drink water on street cost you $1, in store $3.  Coffee mostly anywhere $3.
For gambling I would recommend Sahara and El Cortez (downtown). Sahara has on the end of hall beer Corona for $1. Don't go to the expensive casinos, minimum bet $10. There are only a few baccarat tables in LV because not profitable for the casinos. If you play baccarat don't go to LV. There are many $3 craps tables but that's a catch 22! They pay even money on everything. BS!
But remember hot, hot, hot! 122-125 F that's around 51-53 Celsius! Don't walk too much outside, look for air conditioned rooms like hotels and casinos. I walked from Circus to downtown and back what is 2x3 miles, almost died.
Good luck, you will need it.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 21, 05:40 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 21, 04:26 PM 2010
I was in CircusCircus and it is what it says! BS. I got there salmonella. Gypsy hotel. Stratosphere is a nice hotel with roulette 5 min./2,000 max.  To the left 2 miles is downtown where on the right hand is casino El Cortes with roulette $1/500. There are a few casinos in downtown. I like most Shara casino which is only 5 minutes walk to your right and after comes on the right CircusCircus. Buy a pass for bus for $20 for 5 days, that's the cheapest transportation and it takes you through the whole Vegas. Taxi are expensive! Be careful what you put in your mouth in that hot weather, salmonella everywhere! Protect yourself every day with bottle of brandy, but nothing is cheap in LV. Drink water on street cost you $1, in store $3.  Coffee mostly anywhere $3.
For gambling I would recommend Sahara and El Cortez (downtown). Sahara has on the end of hall beer Corona for $1. Don't go to the expensive casinos, minimum bet $10. There are only a few baccarat tables in LV because not profitable for the casinos. If you play baccarat don't go to LV. There are many $3 craps tables but that's a catch 22! They pay even money on everything. BS!
But remember hot, hot, hot! 122-125 F that's around 51-53 Celsius! Don't walk too much outside, look for air conditioned rooms like hotels and casinos. I walked from Circus to downtown and back what is 2x3 miles, almost died.
Good luck, you will need it.
Hermes


Thanks Hermes mate,
I n other words stay where you are/in the night time/and the reason I have choosen Stratosphere,cause there is a french roulette on the half return basis in case of zero,and
the mini. is 1 doll.bet on insides.Thanks guys for serving.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 21, 06:47 PM 2010
Ha, ha, ha, yes French roulette was in Stratosphere 5 months ago but gone with the wind! In LV expect that everybody wants to screw you up and you will be always right! The second name for LV is a Sin City, no better name could be find. Take your headsets with you to plain if you want to look (hear) movies. They cost $3 if you don't have your own. At Westjet airlines you have to pay for everything even water cost $3. US greedy jerks. The scam starts already in airplane. If somebody would cut the electricity to LV in 2 days the city will be empty, no one foot stay there. Everything must be delivered to the city, except sun.
Go to play roulette to Sahara $1/500. It is the best roulette you can find in LV. Guarantee.
Hermes

Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 22, 03:49 AM 2010
As we flew into Las Vegas the Pilot said on the comm,


"We are just about to land in Lost Wages"


Trust me its an awesome place, ure have loads of funnnnn  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 22, 06:36 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 21, 06:47 PM 2010
Ha, ha, ha, yes French roulette was in Stratosphere 5 months ago but gone with the wind! In LV expect that everybody wants to screw you up and you will be always right! The second name for LV is a Sin City, no better name could be find. Take your headsets with you to plain if you want to look (hear) movies. They cost $3 if you don't have your own. At Westjet airlines you have to pay for everything even water cost $3. US greedy jerks. The scam starts already in airplane. If somebody would cut the electricity to LV in 2 days the city will be empty, no one foot stay there. Everything must be delivered to the city, except sun.
Go to play roulette to Sahara $1/500. It is the best roulette you can find in LV. Guarantee.
Hermes



It means they lay to me while I was reserving this hotel....as been told
there is la partage table there.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 22, 11:23 AM 2010
They cannot be different than US politics and economy! They lay to me already on Internet offer. The CC promised one night free, then I paid 6 nights expecting one free night but on Monday morning the receptionist asked me to move out! I had to pay full price $46 for the "free Night", otherwise I am on the hot street. After I paid, I couldn't open the door for 5 times! The security had to open the door to my room! The Mexican manager promised to me that he will charge me for the room only $26 for the trouble with the room lock but when I got visa statement it was $46!!! You can do nothing. Mexican liar style. It looks like the Bush is still president! Didn't I warn you: expect scam and you will be 100% right! Put it behind your years.
Anyway, even with the trouble it is worth it to go there. Take more dinara and beat the bustards also for me.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 22, 11:41 AM 2010
I revised the 4x4 drive and came to that statement:
The best results will be reached when you alternate last 2 dozens with last 2 columns after loss.
Next time I will introduce to you a D/C Figures game which is very interesting and could be exploited easily. Some laws to be considered when creating D/C system will be also included.
D/Cs are the most cooperative element of all (ECs, inside numbers) chances when creating system for roulette. If Numeris would know it she would call her DC.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: GLC on Aug 22, 12:27 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 22, 11:23 AM 2010
They cannot be different than US politics and economy! They lay to me already on Internet offer. The CC promised one night free, then I paid 6 nights expecting one free night but on Monday morning the receptionist asked me to move out! I had to pay full price $46 for the "free Night", otherwise I am on the hot street. After I paid, I couldn't open the door for 5 times! The security had to open the door to my room! The Mexican manager promised to me that he will charge me for the room only $26 for the trouble with the room lock but when I got visa statement it was $46!!! You can do nothing. Mexican liar style. It looks like the Bush is still president! Didn't I warn you: expect scam and you will be 100% right! Put it behind your years.
Anyway, even with the trouble it is worth it to go there. Take more dinara and beat the bustards also for me.
Hermes

Hermes, 

Thanks for the update on Vegas.  Much valuable information.
All politicians are the same.  Bad and very bad.

None are happy until the government has all the power and the people have none.

F_LAT_INO,

Good luck when you go the Vegas.  New Years will be an excellent time to go.  But be forewarned, in January it can get very cold, especially at night.

George
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 22, 01:35 PM 2010
George,
At night I will be at the tables of my hotel,daily will take photos of LV.
Have rented a car and we shall go to LA/as she want to be pictured
under Hollywood sign..lol../Actually I'm not going to play any serious game
there,just more like touristic journey/her wish/as every year we are doing this on
regular basis.Last new year we were in Dubai for a new year....Jeez I was lost
as there wasn't any casinos there.Also was cheated as when was reserving  hotel
they assured me about casinos overthere.They all cheat.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 22, 02:14 PM 2010
Thats a good 4hr drive !

Ive done San Fran to Lake Tahoe coz i was too tight to pay the 200 bucks airfare lol  :D

Seriously, fly and pick ure car up in LA !
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 22, 02:18 PM 2010
I found out about the Stratosphere single zero roulette from a young male dealer in Sahara who observed me like crazy because I was winning. He told me that he plays the same strategy on one zero roulette in Stratosphere. I ran to Stratosphere just to hear from their dealers that they closed it 3 months ago. Nobody new a reason why. There are around 7 single zero roulette tables in LV but nobody could gave me a direction, even taxi driver! I bet you there will be $25 minimum bet!
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 22, 04:30 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 22, 02:18 PM 2010
I found out about the Stratosphere single zero roulette from a young male dealer in Sahara who observed me like crazy because I was winning. He told me that he plays the same strategy on one zero roulette in Stratosphere. I ran to Stratosphere just to hear from their dealers that they closed it 3 months ago. Nobody new a reason why. There are around 7 single zero roulette tables in LV but nobody could gave me a direction, even taxi driver! I bet you there will be $25 minimum bet!
Hermes
Single zeros in LV,by
link:://cheapovegas.com (link:://cheapovegas.com)

--CES.PALACE
--HILTON
--MONTE CARLO
--NEVADA PALACE
--PARIS
--STRATOSPHERE
--VENETIAN

If that is so,I think am going to swap the hotel,HILTON probably.
I know there is about 4 hour drive...just landscape watching.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 22, 04:39 PM 2010
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 22, 04:30 PM 2010
Single zeros in LV,by
link:://cheapovegas.com (link:://cheapovegas.com)

--CES.PALACE
--HILTON
--MONTE CARLO
--NEVADA PALACE
--PARIS
--STRATOSPHERE
--VENETIAN

If that is so,I think am going to swap the hotel,HILTON probably.
I know there is about 4 hour drive...just landscape watching.

The Venetian is very nice !
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 22, 06:54 PM 2010
4 hours to drive! I have it 4,5 hours to fly700km/hour. Than 6 places left for the Euro roulette. I would wonder what's the minimum on ECs and D/Cs?
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 22, 11:40 PM 2010
I worked on a new progression. Borrowed some ideas from other system and put together a more aggressive progression.
The bet is the same first 2 dozens alternate on loss with first 2 columns. No X anymore only =.
The progression:
Bet 2 minimum table bet units on each dozen/column. If won the bet increases 20% on each, if lost increase triple but only for next 2 spins. If no hit after 2 spins reset to minimum bets. Round the units to bet next applicable units. Eg. minimum $5 on D/C table: Bet $10 on each (2x$5) if won increase 20% to $12 and if won again increase 20% to $14. If lost increase triple for 2 spins: first bet $30 each (if previous bet $10), next bet triple to $90 each if no hit go back to $10/10. Will need larger bankroll.
D - C  bet
--------------
2
3
3    3   10/10 on 2/3D win      
2    3   12/12 on 2/3D win
1    2   14/14 on 2/3D loss
     2   42/42 on 2/3C win
2    2   10/10 on 2/3C win
1    1   12/12 on 2/3C loss
2         36/36 on 1/2D win
1         10/10 on 1/2D win
1         12/12 on 1/2D win, and so on...

Less bankroll needed online live roulette with $1 minimum (or less).
In land casinos is mostly table minimum on D/Cs $5. I would say Bankroll $1,000 should be safe. The winning sessions should end when $300 in profit (30% from bankroll).  
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 03:10 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 22, 06:54 PM 2010
4 hours to drive! I have it 4,5 hours to fly700km/hour. Than 6 places left for the Euro roulette. I would wonder what's the minimum on ECs and D/Cs?
Hermes
It is all explained in the link above.
Click on any hotel and you get all info individually.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 23, 11:12 AM 2010
Minimum $5 and up doesn't say too much! The up could be easily $25 as everybody in LV cheats. Don't believe what you read but what you experience!
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jordan69 on Aug 23, 12:21 PM 2010
I just tried 4 x 4 drive with only = and no more x
I used LV numbers (from Hermes), the first two lines (on $1 table) :

11,27,8,30,00,14,16,15,23,18,10,36,18,27,7,11,1,4,2,36,12,31,9,3,7,21,30,32,20,28,18,8,
30,35,4,28,17,20,16,5,16,31,34,4,1,33,20,29,18,31,11,8,14,28,18,24,6,0,30,13,2,21,36,16, 13,12,30,24,7,10,19,1,1,35,36,23,33,17,28,11,18,16,31,12,10,32,30,34,3,14,0,29,5,4,23,
00,3,23,28,24,28,28,5,11,26,23,31,9

- I played all spins (Could use LW but when you have LWLWLW or bullshit like this,
you are in a big mess...)
- Did not wait after 0 (doesn't change anything for me)
- Leveller 1 2 4 (first basic rules)
- Alternate 2D and 2C after a loss

Highest was + 25 (very good) and finish with - 12... (not good at all)
Of course, in "real life", i would have stopped after a few units :)
But it's a test so i played all the spins !

After some tests, i give you my opinion (only my thoughts, yes) :

- Large BR needed in order to bet with a big unit and leave quickly with a few units
- Stop loss is essential
- Win target also essential : DON'T BE TOO GREEDY
or there is a real possibility that you will lost all benefices...

This system is interesting even if it's not, for me, a Holy Grail of course.

Good luck everybody !

Jordan69
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 23, 07:42 PM 2010
OK, at the first session I played on $1 table and made 33 units, exactly $33, therefore f**k off and the next session was on $5 table and won 50 units what makes $250. Much better. I was ready to go play next session on $10 table when salmonella stopped me.
I played only dozens but =/x version.
If you want to reach the same results as I did you have to play it my way. I made in LV, all together, just on roulette $400. I lost $250 on craps but that's different story.
Long Live Roulette!
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 24, 03:32 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 23, 07:42 PM 2010
OK, at the first session I played on $1 table and made 33 units, exactly $33, therefore f**k off and the next session was on $5 table and won 50 units what makes $250. Much better. I was ready to go play next session on $10 table when salmonella stopped me.
I played only dozens but =/x version.
If you want to reach the same results as I did you have to play it my way. I made in LV, all together, just on roulette $400. I lost $250 on craps but that's different story.
Long Live Roulette!
Hermes

SALMONELLA?????
You didn't get it LV,did you.?????
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 24, 11:25 AM 2010
That's right in LV! Don't eat cheesecake there even when tempted. Domestic lady told me: "we in LV don't eat cheesecakes you should know it". Advice came toooooo late! They don't warn tourists.
But about everything you put in mouth in that hot whether, be suspicious. Especially, eggs and meat. Drink lot of brandy it doesn't have salmonella and it is prevention against get sick.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 24, 12:20 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 24, 11:25 AM 2010
That's right in LV! Don't eat cheesecake there even when tempted. Domestic lady told me: "we in LV don't eat cheesecakes you should know it". Advice came toooooo late! They don't warn tourists.
But about everything you put in mouth in that hot whether, be suspicious. Especially, eggs and meat. Drink lot of brandy it doesn't have salmonella and it is prevention against get sick.
Hermes
I think will change my plans.
Anybody of you guys been ever to Macao?????
I think will go there instead.

Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 24, 09:12 PM 2010
Go rather to Cacao. Where is Macao in Asia?
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 25, 06:24 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 24, 09:12 PM 2010
Go rather to Cacao. Where is Macao in Asia?
Hermes
Yes visa-vi Hong Kong.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 25, 12:35 PM 2010
That's dangerous place to wear bankroll for play roulette. And even worse to get out of casino if won some! The people are watchful.
In Atlantic City some blacks are going to casinos just observe who has money with him and also win some. Than wait for him on the parking lot to cash the interest.
Macao, pure people, lot of crime. Hong Kong is not better and never go to Philippines! Stay in Europe that's most secure.
Why don't you buy a suite and go to Monte Carlo? Nobody will bother you there.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 25, 12:39 PM 2010
I had a similiar experience in Vegas one time.

I had won around 2k USD and was walkin to the lobby to the lift, and being the type of guy who always looks over his shoulder I did. There was some guy following me. He just stopped in his tracks, smiled at me and turned around and walked off

Moral of the story ?

Dont win. Or, look over ure shoulder !
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 25, 01:24 PM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 25, 12:35 PM 2010
That's dangerous place to wear bankroll for play roulette. And even worse to get out of casino if won some! The people are watchful.
In Atlantic City some blacks are going to casinos just observe who has money with him and also win some. Than wait for him on the parking lot to cash the interest.
Macao, pure people, lot of crime. Hong Kong is not better and never go to Philippines! Stay in Europe that's most secure.
Why don't you buy a suite and go to Monte Carlo? Nobody will bother you there.
Hermes

Hermes dear,
I'm well aware of all these things.Have been,play and seen all EU
casinos...this should be more/less touristic journey/her every year wish/
as we go there where never been before.Macau seems very interesting as tourist destination.Even reserved hotel in LV--but now withdraw my bookings.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Aug 25, 08:20 PM 2010
Could you withdraw? Will they not charge you something?
Yes twisteruk, always be in charge and careful when in casino.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 26, 03:01 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Aug 25, 08:20 PM 2010
Could you withdraw? Will they not charge you something?
Yes twisteruk, always be in charge and careful when in casino.
Hermes

We book each year throughout the  same tourist agency here in Croatia,
and they pre-book it as a agency.
In case of withdrawal you lose 5% of the money,which is about 165 doll.
in our case.Beter that then get poisoned by salmonela overthere.
When I showed her your post,and some other LV hints,she decided to withdraw.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: catalyst on Sep 21, 07:14 AM 2010
bikemotorman's idea to alternate dozens and columns.  he is dead now.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Sep 21, 08:13 AM 2010
Quote from: catalyst on Sep 21, 07:14 AM 2010
Bikemotorman's idea to alternate dozens and columns.  he is dead now.
Idea or him?????
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Sep 21, 10:20 AM 2010
Who is dead the idea or he? The dozens idea was always my he tested it with my permission and misused it for advertising his bike. When he played by the rules he always won and when he diverted from the rules always lost. He fought with the greed all the time.
Or it is you catalyst?
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jk1m on Sep 21, 09:30 PM 2010
Hello Hermes,

Just wanted to say thank you for all the great systems.  BTW, I'm also from Canada.    :)

So back to the 4x4 Drive System.   Can you please explain in detail what you mean by LW and how you apply that to the system?  To confirm, do you always bet on the last two dozens (2,3) with the 1,1. . . 2,2. . . 4,4 progression?  I've been reading on some really good systems.   Which system do you recommend and use the most?

Cheers!

JK
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Sep 21, 10:14 PM 2010
I live in Ontario. Nice to hear about another brave Canadian. The poor people in east got the hurricane Igor on full speed. I feel sorry for them but it is just beginning of the end. We all will be soon sorry that we were born. Oil spills, hurricanes that's just early warnings of Armageddon coming upon us. Where is no moral there is no life. We are going backwards in evolution. Sodom & Gomorrah, Babylon, Atlantis started the same way. History repeats. I hope there is a casino in hell!

LW strategy is easy. You play virtually and first virtual win (W) is the trigger to bet. If you lose play again virtually until next W. Eg. LLLLW bet WWL wait LLLW bet WWWW and so on...
You can play 4x4 drive or Figure 3 from the Figures system (it is easier to play than 4x4) but again use LW strategy!
Check the alberto's tweak.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jk1m on Sep 22, 10:12 AM 2010
Yeah I live in Ontario as well! Toronto actually.  What about you?  Indeed it is very tragic for the people on the east coast.   I don't know about the Armaggedon happening but it's true, we as a civilization is causing more harm to the environment every passing year.   As Stephen Hawking said himself we will need to colonize Mars for the survival of mankind.   Enough of doomsday, lets talk about the interesting game of roulette!    :)

Could you explain what exactly the L is for, what I'm guessing is it's a virtual loss? But what virtual loss and virtual win are we waiting for? Is there a pattern set in stone that we have to follow? For example: always bet on either (Dozen 1 & Dozen 2) or (D2 & D3) or (D1 & D3)?

Thanks for the assistance Hermes!

JK
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Sep 22, 02:07 PM 2010
jk1m, I cannot explain it better than I did in previous post. Can Victor or somebody else who understand LW strategy explain it in different way to jk1m then I did it?
Thanks Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on Sep 22, 07:15 PM 2010
Quote from: jk1m on Sep 22, 10:12 AM 2010
Yeah I live in Ontario as well! Toronto actually.  What about you?  Indeed it is very tragic for the people on the east coast.   I don't know about the Armaggedon happening but it's true, we as a civilization is causing more harm to the environment every passing year.   As Stephen Hawking said himself we will need to colonize Mars for the survival of mankind.   Enough of doomsday, lets talk about the interesting game of roulette!    :)

Could you explain what exactly the L is for, what I'm guessing is it's a virtual loss? But what virtual loss and virtual win are we waiting for? Is there a pattern set in stone that we have to follow? For example: always bet on either (Dozen 1 & Dozen 2) or (D2 & D3) or (D1 & D3)?

Thanks for the assistance Hermes!

JK


JK1m  this is how you have to apply
the LW strategy to any two dozens system(see down  F3).
I only give you an example from other system.(Figures system)

Now:
For  4 x 4 you swich from  last two dozens
to last two columns.
So you start with play virtual  last two doz.  and
when appear w virtual is trigger, bet now  until appear the first L
and stop, wait virtual next w trigger but  on columns and bet for
::  streaks, but again when appear first L on columns ,
swich to dozens ...and so on...but have to wait the trigger W.

bet last two dozens , swich to last two columns

start with dozens
L
L
w  trigger  dozens ,bet now last two doz.
w
w
L   stop  wait new trigger w(but on columns)
L   
w  trigger columns, bet now last two col.
w
w
w
L  stop  wait trigger w dozens

w  trigger doz.  bet now last two doz.
L  stop , wait trigger w  for col.

Same Leveller progression 1/1,  2/2,  4/4
stay on 4/4 until bank in plus or hit your stop lose.





F3 with Lw strategy.

Use this rules:

Progression Leveller  1/1  ,2/2  ,4/4   stay on 4/4   until in plus.
When bank in plus reset to 1/1.
Trigger is W, bet until appear first L, wait new trigger  W.
So at L stop and wait new F3, but still wait the virtual  W, than bet.
We bet the last two dozens from the F3 ( Ex: 232  bet 2 and 3)
or other Ex: F3 (122  bet  1 and 2 ).


NR/Doz

12  1
13  2
9    1  F3(1,2,1)
15  2  w  trigger, bet 1/1
30  3  L  -2 wait  F3 and trigger w
33  3  F3 (2,3,3)
19  2  w  trigger, bet 2/2
26  3  w    0  bet 2/2
14  2  w  +2  bet 1/1
22  2  w  +3  bet 1/1
35  3  w  +4  bet 1/1
34  3  w  +5  bet 1/1
20  2  w  +6  bet 1/1
13  2  w  +7  bet 1/1
3    1  l   +5  stop wait F3
30  3
32  3  F3 (133)
18  2  F3 (332), no trigger w, no bet
5    1 
25  3
26  3  F3 (133)
1    1  w  trigger  bet 1/1
33  3  w  +6
23  2  l  +4  wait
6    1
2    1  F3(211)
23  2  w  trigger  bet 2/2
1    1  w  +6  bet 2/2
19  2  w  +8  bet 1/1
7    1  w  +9  bet 1/1
8    1  w  +10  bet 1/1
13  2  w  +11  bet 1/1
26  3  l  +9  wait
29  3  F3 (233)
4    1  no  W no bet
32  3  F3(313)
23  2  -
27  3  F3(323)
14  2  w  trigger , bet 2/2
18  2  w  +11  bet 2/2
12  1  l  +7   , F3 (221)
12  1  w  trigger   bet 4/4
34  3  l  -1   , F3 (113)
24  2  -
24  2  F3 (322)
17  2  w  trigger  bet 4/4
27  3  w  +3  bet 4/4
8    1  l  -5  wait
12  1  F3 (311)
25  3  -
10  1  F3(131)
26  3  w  trigger  bet 4/4
11  1  w  -1  bet 4/4
6    1  w  +3  bet 4/4
16  2  l  -1  ,  F3(112)
1    1  w  trigger  bet 4/4
2    2  w  +3  bet 4/4
7    1  w  +7  bet 4/4
19  2  w  +11  bet 4/4
9    1  w  +15  (new profit) bet 1/1
35  3  l  +13  wait
12  1  F3(131)
11  1  w  trigger  bet 2/2
23  2  l  +9  ,  F3 (112)
19  2  w  trigger  bet 4/4
23  2  w  +13  bet 4/4
10  1  w  +17 (new profit) bet 1/1
31  3  l  +15  wait
13  2
19  2  F3 (322)
3    1  -  F3(221)
20  2  w  trigger  bet 2/2
15  2  w  +17  bet 2/2
5    1  w  +19  bet  1/1
14  2  w  +20  bet 1/1
2    1  w  +21  bet 1/1
14  2  w  +22  bet 1/1
25  3  l  +20  wait
25  3  F3 (233) 
13  2  w  trigger  bet 2/2
4    1  l  +16  wait
31  3
27  3  F3 (133)
1    1  w  trigger  bet 4/4
7    1  w  +20  bet 4/4
5    1  w  +24(new profit) bet 1/1
33  1  w  +25  bet 1/1
20  2  l  +23  ,  F3(112)
8    1  w  trigger  bet 2/2
20  2  w  +25  bet 2/2
12  1  w  +27  bet 1/1
6    1  w  +28  bet 1/1
24  2  w  +29  bet 1/1
24  2  w  +30  bet 1/1
21  2  w  +31  bet 1/1
12  1  w  +32  bet 1/1
28  3  l  +30  wait
0    -
13  2
10  1
10  1  F3(211)
26  3  -
13  2
31  3  F3(323)
17  2  w  trigger  bet 2/2
33  3  w  +32  bet 2/2
29  3  w  +34  bet 1/1
15  2  w  +35  bet 1/1
6    1  l  +33  wait
35  3
8    1  F3 (131)
23  2
19  2  F3 (122)
4    1  w  trigger  bet 2/2
10  1  w  +35  bet 2/2
5    1  w  +37  (new profit) bet 1/1
8    1  w  +38  bet  1/1
34  3  l  +36  ,  F3 (113)
7    1  w  trigger  bet 2/2
16  2  l  +32  wait
10  1  F3 (121)
25  3
18  2
25  3  F3 (323)
17  2  w  trigger  bet 4/4
13  2  w  +36  bet 4/4
15  2  w  +40(new profit) bet 1/1
5    1  l   +38  , F3 (221)
17  2  w  trigger  bet 2/2
0    0  l  +34  wait
3    1  F3(1201)
13  2  w  trigger bet 4/4
21  2  w  +38  bet 4/4
26  3  l  +30  , F3(223)
11  1 
30  3  F3(313)
34  3  trigger   bet 4/4
16  2  l  +22  F3(332)
2    1
7    1  F3 (211)
25  3  F3 (113)
10  1  w  trigger  bet 4/4
35  3  w  +26  bet 4/4
9    1  w  +30  bet 4/4
25  3  w  +34  bet 4/4
14  2  l  +26  wait
16  2  F3(322)
26  3  w  trigger  bet 4/4
16  2  w  +30  bet 4/4
4    1  l  +22  wait
29  3
17  2
6    1
20  2  F3(212)
2    2  w  trigger bet 4/4
14  2  w  +26  bet 4/4
9    1  w  +30  bet 4/4
17  2  w  +34  bet 4/4
21  2  w  +38  bet 4/4
32  3  l  +30  F3(223)
33  3  w  trigger  bet 4/4
27  3  w  +34  bet 4/4
33  3  w  +38  bet 4/4
27  3  w  +42  (new profit) bet 1/1
31  3  w  +43  bet 1/1
7    1  l  +41  F3(331)
31  3  w  trigger  bet 2/2
8    1  w  +43  bet 1/1
20  2  l  +41  wait
17  2  F3(122)
2    1  w  trigger  bet 2/2
10  1  w  +43  bet 2/2
8    1  w  +45 (new profit) bet 1/1
25  3  l  +43  F3(113)
34  3  w  trigger  bet 2/2
25  3  w  +45  bet 2/2
14  2  l  +41  F3(332)
16  2  w  trigger bet 4/4
33  3  w  +45  bet 4/4
23  2  w  +49 (new profit) bet 1/1
7    1  l  +47  wait
1    1  F3(211)
2    1  w  trigger bet 2/2
10  1  w  +49  bet 2/2
8    1  w  +51  bet 1/1  new profit
16  2  w  +52  bet 1/1
26  3  l  +50  wait
8    1
1    1  F3(311)
25  3  w  trigger  bet 2/2
36  3  w  +52  bet 2/2
10  1  w  +54  bet 1/1  new profit
31  3  w  +55 


End  session  +55
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Sep 22, 10:35 PM 2010
Thanks Kattila, even I start to understand.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on Sep 23, 02:40 AM 2010
Quote from: Hermes on Sep 22, 10:35 PM 2010
Thanks Kattila, even I start to understand.
Hermes


That was funny .....hahaha....     :)
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: catalyst on Sep 23, 06:08 AM 2010
hi kattila and hermes
we should admire BIKEMOTOMAN as he was the one who borrwed the idea from Hermes but made it popular by alternating dozens and columns.  He was running with this idea probably over hundred days with his own progression.  At the end he found himself in the quicksand and could not escape with his donkey progression.  therefore, I mentioned that he was dead.  Actually his idea with digger's progress.  But I appreciate his efforts to cannibalize us to follow him.  By the by, I am not him, he is probably a Texan hothead and I am from Melbourne. 

thanks
catalyst
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Sep 23, 05:44 PM 2010
I am happy he is still alive! I told him to alternate the D/C after loss. You are right, he with his crocodile Dandy's progression. He was enthusiastic what's a good attitude.
I was afraid that he made the bike so fast that he hit the 2nd Mach speed and no parachute!
I have a friend in Melbourne always inviting me to visit him but I don't have a time.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: commonsense1968 on Sep 23, 06:13 PM 2010
like the post.hermes...IV,E never seen a magnetic ball excuse before.BUT i have seen the fixed fixed table at william hill casino stop dead 3 times, each time the casino boss had to use the mouse for the computer to get it going again.THE 3rd spin stopped only a quarter of a turn.LAUGHABLE.ANYWAY onwards with your betting selection.it is quite true about the dozens and columns repeating from one to another,WITH study i would say its like climbing the rungs of a ladder dozens on the left and columns on the right when one misses the rung on ONE side of the same two dozens coming out you jump on the rung of the other side.,following the last 2 results of the columns....in total you only hit the missing rungs ie lose not that often and as a flat bet its usually as good as betting as single doz or col becouse of the losses to win ratio.i studied this for quite a while.the 4 x 4 name is a lot better than what i used to call it. the ladder system lol only to myself and close friends though.IMPRESSED I AM













Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Sep 25, 05:56 PM 2010
Check the 3rd FIGURE strategy to get more impression. And now combine 4x4 with the 3rd Figure to blow off the hat.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Jan 25, 05:08 PM 2011
Hello forum:)

Why has this thread fallen back so far? This method of play seems pretty solid and I would like to say a thanks to Hermes for sharing it (and bikemotorman with Hermes permission for first posting it on the old forum). 

I've recently re-visited this method after a hiatus from roulette and whilst the original way of playing holds up ok I feel there are a sufficient number of Ls to take advantage of.   Ls pay 2 units to 1 and I've done some back and forward tests I'd like to share.   If anyone still has some tests from the past or would like to do some more, could they please share them here?

From my tests I'm yet to see more than 8 Ws in a row.   This means a 9-step prog on a single dozen would win every time but that is an expensive prog so better to wait for a 2 or 3 Ws before starting betting - well actually there's a few different approaches available with this.   I conceed that this will lose at some point so the if the progression is short enough there should (and is from my tests so far) be enough wins to cover the losses. 

Having said that I've yet to see it go past 8 Ws and waiting for 2 or 3 Ws before betting seems to be the best middle ground so far.   I will show my findings in the next post, please if you can reply with opinions, constructive criticism or suggestions :)



Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Jan 25, 05:37 PM 2011
Playing the Ls - 4x4 Drive:

These are from about 500 spins ex.   Dublinbet, perhaps not enough proof but hopefully a good indication of things to come.   I have tested with 2 progressions which I will call D2 and D3:
either waited for 2 Ws and played 7 steps or waited for 3 Ws and played 6 steps. 

prog/steps       prog          total units  total won   bankrolls won
D2 6 step:   1 1 2 3 4 6         17             +67              3.  9
D2 7 step    1 1 2 3 4 6 9      26             +110            4.  2
D3 6 step    1 2 3 4 6 9         25             +124            4.  96
D3 7 step    1 2 3 4 6 9 14    39             +168            4.  3

So from this little test it seems the more aggressive D3 6 step progression is the best? It wins nearly 5 bankrolls and a loss or even 2 would still have left in profit.   The D3 7 step obviously wins more but I'm yet to determine if it's worth risking 39 units.   

How did these same numbers go flat betting and playing continuously? This isn't entirely accurate as it was only a spin-off of the above test and the true results would include back to back Ls (remember we're hunting the Ls, so 2 or more in a row is good for this) thus the end result would actually be more.   These are the total figures even having lost a few progressions as there were some stretches of 7 and 8 Ws. 

prog/steps  result
D2 6 step  +17
D2 7 step  +80
D3 6 step  +13
D3 7 step  +153

Feedback/suggestions welcome, thanks for reading :)
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Jan 25, 07:46 PM 2011
Thought I better post an example just so it's clear.   
Playing with basic 4x4 strategy, I like to start with LC but it shouldn't matter, can start with LD if you prefer.    I'll use a 112346 progression for this example, remember, we are betting for an L, so a W or L is a win or a loss for the traditional 4x4.    When an L shows up it is actually a win for us!

28
12    LC are now set
11    LC lose switch to LD
35    W for LD
15    L for LD back to LC
9      W
3      W
18    W - 3 Ws trigger to start betting for an L ie bet for the last 2 columns to lose
30    W (loss)
12    W (loss)
22    L (win) +2.    Switch to LD and resume tracking wait for 3 more Ws
11    W
10    W
16    W 3 Ws start betting
2      W (loss)
12    W (loss)
21    W (loss)
8      W (loss)
2      W (loss)
29    L (win) +1.    Went deep into the prog this time - not common.   
                          Switch to LC
1      L switch to LD
19    L switch to LC
10    W
13    W
32    W 3 Ws start betting
23    W (loss)
20    W (loss)
15    L (win) +2 and switch to LDs

Now this is just an example of how it CAN be played and from my tests one of the better ways but is not the be-all and end-all.   
You could wait for more or less Ws, play with a shorter or longer progression, or play continuously looking for nice clumps of Ls.   

Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on Jan 26, 03:06 AM 2011
The classic 4 x 4 is for two doz/col, you are playing some anti 4 x 4(play for catch the Ls) so
you play/test one dozen or column. No matter what you play/test if you have good results.
Why don't you try this anti 4 x4 for one doz/col with a positive progression also adviced
by Hermes:  +1 at W / at 3 Ls -1  ( you still can use your  trigger : then bet).

cheers
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 08, 10:11 AM 2011
Hey Guys,

    No I am not dead in fact I am quite well lol.
I played this way with getting some wins chasing Ls for the past couple of days using a fibo progression, the results are great but we need to be careful of fighting a trend on the dozens or columns.
If we are not careful we can lose our shirts playing 2 cols or 2 dozs.

Now you guys know I start on Lds and on a loss switch to Lcs.

I have not seen six straight LLLLLLs in almost a year.

The virtual count of Ls really helps to protect the bankroll.

Hey Hermes how are you doing?


           Stuart Brandt
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 08, 10:24 AM 2011
I saw yesterday sixteen WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWs in a row.
But I was playing on the third dozen to hit, my bad just play money, on real money I would have a stop loss when chasing the Ls for the dozen or column to make for a L.


          Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Feb 09, 01:48 AM 2011
Quote from: Kattila link=topic=90. msg33566#msg33566 date=1296029199

Why don't you try this anti 4 x4 for one doz/col with a positive progression

cheers

Quote from: bikemotorman link=topic=90. msg35783#msg35783 date=1297177897

I have not seen six straight LLLLLLs in almost a year.


I saw 6Ls at a live table (B&M casino) just recently.  It would be nice to know when they're coming:
bet $50 - win $150
bet $150 - win $450
bet $450 - win $1350
bet $1350 - win $4050
bet $4050 - win $12150
bet $12150 - win $36450
Of course table limits might be a problem and I don't think anyone in their right mind would attempt a 6 spin parlay.

Stuart, long runs of Ws are not common when switching back and forth between dozens and columns as the 4x4 drive does, as you said use a stop loss or keep the progression down, you will win more than you lose.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Feb 09, 11:54 AM 2011
eluka, if you can wait for 2 or 3 L's (LL or LLL) and then attack you will never lose and would need much less bankroll to cover the progression. I also never saw more than 6 L's in my whole carrier on dozens. You have dozens and columns to look for triggers (LL or LLL),  Plenty of triggers.
It is an excellent dream catcher!
I am now fully taken by my Forex HG project, therefore no time for gossips.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 09, 02:35 PM 2011
That is good advice Hermes,

Here is some play today with the doz col method, now remember I start on the Lds and on a loss go to the Lcs.


WWWWWLLLLWWWLLWWWWWLLLWLLWW0WWLWWWWWW0W  DONE

When I had five Ws I would play for a L on the single doz or col that is not the LDs or LCs.


Does that make sense guys.

Stuart :wink:

Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 09, 02:38 PM 2011
How are you Hermes?

Are you well?

Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 09, 07:03 PM 2011
Ok Guys,

   Just played a 2 hour session on Jbet table 1, I had good results, I waited for the Lds or the Lcs to win 5 straight then I played the non lds or lcs single doz or col with a 10 step progression.

What do you guys think.


    Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on Feb 10, 02:48 AM 2011
Stuart,
You could play one year like that and win each time you  go to casino,
but also you can lose your 10 progr. steps in the next visit to the casino.
This is Roulette, no matter if you play to catch one doz. or col (the L) after 5 Ws,
or bet  two doz. or two col. after a few Ls.  Depends how lucky you are...

good luck
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 10, 04:18 AM 2011
Hi stuart,

If neither you nor Hermes have ever seen 6+ losses,(and I know you have played a hell of a lot of sessions of this)

Why don't you wait 3 losses in a row and then bet 1,3,9,27?

I know you have to wait around but must be next to a sure bet? Try and build br and then unit size

BW
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 10, 07:01 AM 2011
I did see 7 LLLLLLLs one time last year, but we must always be very careful to keep the bankroll safe.

If I were to wait for six Ls, there would be days I would not be able to play at all lol.

I am pretty sure with a 5000 dollar bankroll we would be able to make 500 profit per day.

A stop loss is very wise when chasing the Ls, but from what I can see the Ls can be a bit tricky, but safer then play two dozs or cols.

Also the US double zero wheel is a bit strange, and will streak on certain columns more then dozens, but overall the way I play seems to have great promise.

The funny thing is some guys think a situational playing method with a virtual loss tally will not work, but after playing this for almost a year it does work and well.

Can somebody run a test with this the way I play it, with not starting to play with real money until you have four Ls.


                 Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 10, 09:54 AM 2011
Thing is though, you see one 7 loss in a year...you kose 80units

How many winning sessions you would have had? Hundreds perhaps..

I'd say the br is safe

BW
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 10, 09:55 AM 2011
I wanted to mention that I start on the Lds and on a loss play the Lcs, and if that is a loss play the Lds, and if that is a loss play Lcs and if that is a loss play Lds, see on a loss we Switch.


WWWWL=NOW GO TO LCS L NOW GO TO LDS WWWWWL GO TO LCS L GO TO LDS L GO TO LCS WWWWWWWW DONE


Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 10, 09:59 AM 2011
Hey Buf go to chat.


Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on Feb 10, 10:12 AM 2011
Why don't you bet  after trigger W (one virtual win) and stop at first L , swich, and
wait  trigger W in the  Lcs , and so on ...swich  . Ex:


Start with LDs:
 
LDs                 LCs
 
L                        L
L                       W
W trigger           L
W                       L
W                      W
L    swich           L
L                        W  trigger
W trigger           L  swich
W                       W
L   swich             W  trigger
W                       W
W                       W
L                         W
L                         W
W trigger            L  swich
W                        L
W                        W
L  swich               W trigger
W                        W

and so on....use Leveller 1,2,4 stay on 4 until in plus or hit stop-loss.
Hermes adviced this  way of play, to catch :ww streaks.
The only enemy is LWLWLW.....

For online casinos can use Victor s Lw tracker for LD,JC,LC,JC and swich
between  this  four .
link:://rouletteforum.cc/downloads/?sa=view;id=63 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/downloads/?sa=view;id=63)

Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 10, 08:23 PM 2011
Had some Trouble today because I got distracted.

Lost my play money bankroll on Jebet, I was playing here on my computer and missed some Ws.

I still think the most safe play is to wait for 3 or 4 Ls then play the Lds, or Lcs.

I got so many WL WL WL WL WLs today it was nuts, that is why I still think waiting for a series of LLL OR LLLL  is better the way I play.

Stuart         
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 11, 11:04 AM 2011
Start on Lds.

WL GO TO LCS
L GO TO LDS
L GO TO LCS
L GO TO LDS
W
W
W
W
L GO TO LCS
L GO TO LDS
L GO TO LCS
L GO TO LDS
W
W
W

THAT IS IT THAT IS THE WAY I PLAY, I ALWAYS COVER ZERO.



Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Feb 11, 04:08 PM 2011
I am very fortunate this year Stuard but thanks for asking.
Buffalo is right with the progression. You lose only 80 units if 7 L's strikes but they come probably every 5,000 spins.
I wouldn't switch after 5 W to play single dozen! I got in LV 15 Ws! You would be microwaved.
Rather play all Ws and after first L bet one more time L as you would expect? If no win wait again for W trigger and repeat the L action on the end again but with Fibonacci progression. Soon you will catch the win on L also.
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Feb 11, 11:16 PM 2011
Quote from: Kattila link=topic=90. msg36243#msg36243 date=1297324111
Stuart,
You could play one year like that and win each time you  go to casino,
but also you can lose your 10 progr.  steps in the next visit to the casino.
This is Roulette, no matter if you play to catch one doz.  or col (the L) after 5 Ws,
or bet  two doz.  or two col.  after a few Ls.   Depends how lucky you are. . .

good luck

Exactly right Kattila, no matter what system you play this is always the case. 
I see 6 Ls fairly often, 7 Ls is not impossible or that rare an event as some would claim.  If 6 Ls and a zero comes, bye bye 80 units.

Playing the Ls requires less waiting and less bankroll and so far from my tests is very reliable.  Thanks again Hermes for posting the original.

@Bikemotoman - how come you're not playing for real $ (the original 4x4) after a year of good results? A 10 step progression is a bit too expensive for my liking but as you've probably noticed - rarely loses.  Have you compared playing that continuously vs waiting for 5 Ws?
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 12, 06:46 AM 2011
I found it more easy to after a loss on the Lds to switch to Lcs, and if that loses switch to Lds and so on.

It just suits me me a bit better and makes tracking more easy for me to watch things.

Hermes is a smart and clever player just my little twist on his method.

When I say I have not seen seven LLLLLLLs that never includes zero or double zero.


Yesterday I had two times where I had three LLLs and won after that.

I will try what Hermes said when you get an L play for a second L on one doz or col not Lds or Lcs ok.

Yesterday I had sixteen Ws on the third doz and second doz combined, so doz one missed sixteen times.




         Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 12, 07:11 AM 2011
Its swings and roundabouts eluka,

You hit a very choppy session, lots of WLWLWLLWWLWL

then your br is put under pressure. A win doesn't mean another is coming next
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 12, 10:06 AM 2011
Here are two half hour sessions on Jbet table one about an hour apart, one is choppy the other is smooth sailing lol.
As we can see if I waited for 4 Ls I would have not been able to play today.

Remember I start on Lds and on a loss play Lcs.

What I might try doing is stay flat until 3 Ls then use a progression.

What I also need to work on is never ever fight a trend ever lol.

LWWLW0LWWLLWWLWWLWWWLLLWWWLWW



LWLWWWWWWWWWWWLWWW0WWWW0LW


Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Feb 12, 11:04 PM 2011
Quote from: bikemotorman link=topic=90. msg36713#msg36713 date=1297511167
I found it more easy to after a loss on the Lds to switch to Lcs, and if that loses switch to Lds and so on.

More easy than what Stuart? That is how you play the 4x4 drive system, I'm not sure why you've explained this.  I haven't read anyone else playing differently on this thread, I track exactly the same but I bet for it to lose ( bet 1 doz/col) rather than for it to win ( bet doz/col),
although I sometimes do bet for a W after 4 or 5 losses but if there's zeroes about - stay out!

I've been testing nearly a month now, the back test I did on page 10 of this thread and have been forward testing live on Dublinbet almost daily.  Waiting for 2 Ws and the betting with a 7 step prog - it's only lost once and I've recovered the 25 units fairly quickly.  25 units could also be a good stop-loss but recovering using 2x unit value works well too.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Feb 12, 11:08 PM 2011
Quote from: buffalowizard link=topic=90. msg36722#msg36722 date=1297512715
Its swings and roundabouts eluka,

You hit a very choppy session, lots of WLWLWLLWWLWL

then your br is put under pressure.  A win doesn't mean another is coming next

Not sure what you mean here buffalo - there's only one betting opportunity for me here and it wins first spin.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: buffalowizard on Feb 13, 04:53 AM 2011
Hey Eluka,

I misunderstood your technique, but went back over your post on previous page and am interested in testing this. Maybe start a thread up on your way of playing this?

Also, how do you play the zero in this...do you take the number before it hit, or start over?

Thanks
Buffalo
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 13, 06:35 AM 2011
Here is one more session on Jebet table two last night dealer Petra.


WWWL0W0WWWWLLWWL0WWWWWWWWLWLW


The dozens were hot for a while lol.

I was going to say we need to also focus, I remember hearing of a guy who played craps with earplugs, So he did not hear peoples Craps so to speak lol.
With a large helping of patience we can go home a winner 98 percent of the time.

Stuart
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: bikemotorman on Feb 13, 09:39 AM 2011
Just played this session on Jebet.


WWWWLLWWWLLLLWLWWWWWWWLWWWWWWLWWLWWWLLLWWLLLWWLWLLWLLWWWWLW      Done

NOT ONE ZERO LOL

That was one hour on Jebet.

I hit four LLLLs one time but it was a good session, now I need to work patience part to wait for the Ls then bet for the W.
I think three LLLs would be ok to start a progression on the Lds or Lcs.


           Stuart 
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Feb 14, 04:31 AM 2011
Quote from: buffalowizard link=topic=90. msg36869#msg36869 date=1297590806

Also, how do you play the zero in this. . . do you take the number before it hit, or start over?


Hey Buffalo,
I don't have a firm rule but for now I re-bet if I'm betting and I think it pays to re-track if tracking.  The zero can make stretches of Ws longer than average.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jon86 on Apr 10, 05:06 PM 2011
Hi.

Can someone please help me with the rules for 4*4 drive as i cant see the first post from Hermes .

Best Jon
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Apr 11, 03:43 AM 2011
Would Hermes be bothered if someone else posts it? Maybe he removed it for a reason....
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: vundarosa on Apr 11, 01:38 PM 2011
Quote from: eluka on Apr 11, 03:43 AM 2011
Would Hermes be bothered if someone else posts it? Maybe he removed it for a reason....

----------------------

not too sure he removed it. I think its a forum bug. there are quite a few posts around the forum that are blank

vundarosa
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jon86 on Apr 11, 01:40 PM 2011
Quote from: vundarosa on Apr 11, 01:38 PM 2011
----------------------

not too sure he removed it. I think its a forum bug. there are quite a few posts around the forum that are blank

vundarosa

Yes i have notice that.

Jon
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Apr 11, 03:12 PM 2011
FOLLOW THE LAST 2 DOZENS AND COLUMNS.
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jon86 on Apr 11, 03:18 PM 2011
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Apr 11, 03:12 PM 2011
FOLLOW THE LAST 2 DOZENS AND COLUMNS.

Thanks Flat :)

But i realy dont understand ?

Jon  :)
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Apr 11, 04:13 PM 2011
Follow the last 2 dozens OR columns (I would stay with dozens!) and spice it with Leveller progression. When game tooooooooo choppy you can switch for while to Bet those 2 against last coming.  You cam even integrate them by change after loss. L2 or 2L3L combination.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jon86 on Apr 11, 04:15 PM 2011
Quote from: Hermes on Apr 11, 04:13 PM 2011
Follow the last 2 dozens OR columns (I would stay with dozens!) and spice it with Leveller progression. When game tooooooooo choppy you can switch for while to Bet those 2 against last coming.  You cam even integrate them by change after loss. L2 or 2L3L combination.
Hermes

Thanks :)

I got it now :)

Jon
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Kattila on Apr 11, 04:18 PM 2011
Version with LW strategy:
First wait one virtual W on the last two doz., then bet until hit the first L,
now swich to last two col. but bet only after the virtual win, again stay on this
until hit the first L, now swich again to doz. ....and so on.....
Use Leveller   1/1,  2/2,  4/4  if lose or not in plus stay on 4/4 until in plus,
then reset.


Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: jon86 on Apr 11, 04:39 PM 2011
Quote from: Kattila on Apr 11, 04:18 PM 2011
Version with LW strategy:
First wait one virtual W on the last two doz., then bet until hit the first L,
now swich to last two col. but bet only after the virtual win, again stay on this
until hit the first L, now swich again to doz. ....and so on.....
Use Leveller   1/1,  2/2,  4/4  if lose or not in plus stay on 4/4 until in plus,
then reset.




Thanks. I now got it 100% :):):)

Cheers Jon
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Apr 12, 05:06 AM 2011
Wasn't it was also bet against 6Ls appearing in a row also?

And my tweak.....hunting the Ls can work too  ;D
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Apr 13, 04:53 PM 2011
Be clearer spider! We don't know what you mean?
The LW strategy is for sure big security in playing this excellent system but how many scrooges have the patience to slow down the pace of the game? Almost none!
Everybody wants to be a Donny Millionaire here end now!
I cannot imagine to lose the game with LW strategy and Leveller. Must have an Alzheimer?
Cheers Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: eluka on Apr 15, 03:38 AM 2011
Quote from: Hermes on Apr 13, 04:53 PM 2011
Be clearer spider! We don't know what you mean?
I assume you mean me, sorry Hermes I wasn't sure if you'd deleted the original post on purpose but someone said it's a forum bug (spiders eat bugs  :P) Didn't want to repost stuff if you didn't want it made publicly available.
If anyone wants more info on this system I'm happy to provide it but Hermes is the mastermind behind this system. My tweak is on page 10 for anyone who cares.
Speaking of which Hermes, I originally mis-interpreted your second last d/c system but now I think I've got it  (it's been deleted/bugged too). From what I've tested so far it looks like gold. Absolute gold :thumbsup:
Cheers
E
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Hermes on Apr 15, 10:36 PM 2011
I didn't deleted anything, ask Victor.
Hermes
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: denzie on Dec 09, 03:35 AM 2014
It might work . And if you are with 2 persons ? First choose  1/12 and 13/ 24 .
And the other take 13/24 and 25/36 ? It sound stupid?
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: mogul397 on Mar 16, 10:32 PM 2015
Hi,

Just found this thread. I have a question which has surely been covered in 13 pages.
I am trying to wrap myself around how the recovery of the progression works.
Hermes says he never saw more than 6 losses in a row.  Now you bet 1/1, 2/2/
4/4/, 8/8.  Do you continue to just bet 8/8 til you recover? He says it's a
"piece of cake". Can someone clarify this for me?

Thanks

ALan
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: onetaste on Oct 21, 01:55 PM 2015
Had forgotten about this system. Made a ton of money on it when i first started.Became greedy and used Marty though after a while and it soon went to the backburner...If played with leveller,as hermes suggests.This is a fun,profitable system for the long haul...As is Hermes Bermuda Triangle Turbo.This and Code 4 were my early days profit bangers....Anyone else have success with this gem?
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 21, 02:14 PM 2015
Can u explain leveller?

1 2 4 8

Reset on any win

If get to 8 stay at 8 until in profit?
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: MrJ on Oct 21, 03:37 PM 2015
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 21, 02:14 PM 2015
Can u explain leveller?

1 2 4 8

Reset on any win

If get to 8 stay at 8 until in profit?

Never have the word UNTIL in your method rules.

Ken
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 21, 05:40 PM 2015
Quote from: MrJ on Oct 21, 03:37 PM 2015
Never have the word UNTIL in your method rules.

Ken

lol

i would like to read the original levveler progression and how to use it

i cannot find an explanation

all i see it 11 22 44 88 thats it
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: RouletteGhost on Oct 21, 05:49 PM 2015
my apologies, got it:

In land casinos we find mostly minimum bets on dozens/columns $5 what would apply to the Leveller progression as: $5/5 - $10/10 - $20/20 - $80/80 dollars.
When we reach the top of the progression we play the same amount until we get into positive TOTAL!

i assume with leveller on 24 numbers you move up on a loss, and when you win stay at that level until profit?

so if lose 2 in a row, now you are at third step, and u win, bet same amount again

1 unit - lose
2 units- lose
4 units- win
4 units- win
back to 1 unit
Title: Re: 4 X 4 DRIVE System
Post by: Winner on Sep 29, 02:46 PM 2020
Has anyone heard anything from this old warrior Hermes