Just seems the staking is the right tweak for many systems I'm wondering if that's all to it?
if u mean money management, i say big NO.
but money management may help u lose much less
I was going to mention this in my hot number thread but I like hiding information like this in obscured locations.
The great big secret to any combination of the hot / cold numbers is the single bet, one number at a time. I spent a full decade on three bets at a time. I never went after single number at a time. Here's the kicker. There are no wasted bets. It's the progression against the payoff maximum.
Gizmotron,
How are you choosing the numbers? Are you betting each time for a repeat on the last number spun?
Would be great if you could go into a little more detail.
Thanks
Amk, that's the $50,000 question. Don't waste your time on repeats. That's not a nature of hot number characteristic that is consistent at all times.
Quote from: iggiv on Jan 30, 05:06 PM 2012
if u mean money management, i say big NO.
but money management may help u lose much less
dear iggiv
a sensible progression with moderate increase after a certain period of failure and readjustment the progression after hit (just to stay in the game) is helping me a lot. dont you think multi level progression close to flat bet could help us winning?
thanks.
catalyst
No staking plan, progression or money management will change anything except the rate at which you win or lose. That is because without increasing accuracy of predictions, every spins is independent and has the same odds and payouts.
Like the classic example of betting black after 10 reds. The odd are still WORSE than 1:1, and payout only 1:1. Will changing the amount you bet change whether you win or lose? No, it only changes the amount you win or lose.
Steve - " That is because without increasing accuracy of predictions..."
I attempt to increase my chance of guessing accuracy. There is no way of prediction if your focus is on randomness. I was just asked how I guess that single number bet. I know I can find a single hottest number within 100 spins. All that is needed is a soft progression that makes the effort worth it. All that takes is a simple staking plan.
The method of prediction is what counts. Progression doesn't help at all UNLESS your progression helps you:
1. Bet higher in some kind of winning streak
2. Bet lower in some kind of losing streak
To know if your "progression" achieves this, you need to test if you are accurately predicting such streaks. If you test the principles on which any method is based, you can save yourself a lot of time and money.
Gizmo, I know nothing about your methods. But I do know how roulette can and cant be beaten. There are universal truths that will never change.
Steve -" 1. Bet higher in some kind of winning streak."
That's number one in the way I play too. I prefer the technique where you increase your mathematical advantage while at the same time of minimizing my risk. Combined with that I let the winnings ride for short bursts.
i absolutely agree with Steve. no progression can tell u which numbers to bet. it doesn't make sense.
i mean the progression may help sometimes, but the key is right number prediction.
I don't use the simple progression to find the single number. I use my knowledge of randomness to find that winner. The progression just holds the window open long enough to make it worth it. I hope that was clear enough to make sense. I'll try again. I don't use the progression to make bet selections. It's MM only.
So you mean you use money management to make selections based on your understanding of randomness?
Just the opposite Steve. I use randomness to make bet selections.
Well, now that I think about it. Yes, you are right.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Jan 31, 12:51 AM 2012
Just the opposite Steve. I use randomness to make bet selections.
Well, now that I think about it. Yes, you are right.
I always had this question for you. Are there EXACT rules to your method? In other words, could you (if you needed to) type out HOW to play?
Ken
some people use "gut feeling" to some degree
Ken, no, at least from a standpoint that I'm talking about single number hunting.
I'm looking for the flow nature of several hottest numbers. If there is an obvious number it's something you can just see. This is something you can practice getting good at.
any obvious hot number may become a sleeper any time. There is no way to tell.
iggiv -" There is no way to tell."
But there is a proactive way to deal with this. You can stop betting after 30 spins and try another hot number for a while. Many super numbers have a longest gap that can go up as much as 50 - 60 spins. There's always a second hottest number you can use.
Quote from: iggiv on Feb 02, 03:55 PM 2012
any obvious hot number may become a sleeper any time. There is no way to tell.
Awesome for me. It drops out of my last 22 recorded spins and something new takes its place.
Ken
Ken, have you practiced going after one number at a time? If so, what's your opinion regarding doing this?
You mean one hot number?........yeah, been doing so for awhile.
Ken
Yes - one hottest number. Time is money. So wouldn't a good progression work for this best? What about 100 steps - do or die?
I flat bet. Played this yesterday and today........$100 per bet.
Ken
Ken, so you start over on a new number after a loss at spin 22? ... same flat bet?
I always keep track of the last 22 numbers. As each new number hits, I drop the last one. Which ever number has the most hits, that's my bet. What about a tie?
Lets say I have two numbers with 3 hits, the number that will drop from the 22 soonest, is NOT the number I play. I bet like this for hours, very boring, most would not survive playing in this manner (not enough action, LoL).
Ken
Cool Daddio. You are going to be one smart cookie.
Quote from: MrJ on Feb 02, 08:51 PM 2012
I flat bet. Played this yesterday and today........$100 per bet.
Hi, J,
Can't "win the big ones, and lose the little ones" if you only "flat bet".
Today, on spin 5 I hit.
3K net and out the door.
Ken
Ken - why did you pick 22?
i think it would make more sense to take last 24 or 25 numbers (25 for double zero roulette)
Quote from: Gizmotron on Feb 02, 10:53 PM 2012
Ken - why did you pick 22?
Keep in mind, we all have our own style of play. I did a *TON* of testing in
regards to, 'how many' spins. I tested as low as the last 13 and as high as the last 27. In testing, I felt that 22 was a nice middle ground, I had very good results. So I went on to 22 in terms of betting actual money and so far (knock on wood) everything is peachy. :thumbsup:
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on Feb 02, 10:08 PM 2012
Today, on spin 5 I hit.
3K net and out the door.
Ken
That's quite an accomplishment Ken, congratulations! :thumbsup:
yes, congrats!
Ken, such big winnings don't raise up eyebrows from management?
Quote from: MrJ on Feb 03, 01:44 PM 2012
Keep in mind, we all have our own style of play. I did a *TON* of testing in
regards to, 'how many' spins. I tested as low as the last 13 and as high as the last 27. In testing, I felt that 22 was a nice middle ground, I had very good results. So I went on to 22 in terms of betting actual money and so far (knock on wood) everything is peachy. :thumbsup:
Ken
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Quote from: iggiv on Feb 03, 10:34 PM 2012
yes, congrats!
Ken, such big winnings don't raise up eyebrows from management?
Not really, I'm small time (which is good I guess?) 2K, 5K, (and higher), not that big a deal. Dont forget, I do have losing days so I'm sure floor/pit get a good laugh out of it. :-[
Ken
Ken, then what in this casino is considered "big time" that u've seen yourself? just curious.
I can only answer in terms of roulette. I see a few guys (playing no real methods) walking away with a NET of 13K-21K. Playing only black chips dont forget. How often do I see this? Maybe twice a month.
As far as myself? I'm not threat and thats a good thing.
Ken
thanks for telling. that's interesting stuff. i wouldn't mind if u share stories about that from time to time, i think it is interesting for others too. Not everyone plays here frequently like u in real casinos.
I do only online and very small.
Well dear Iggiv,if you would be able to see what's happening
in casino Ruhle,Nice on the enprison table every night,where each
hand/spin is around 100k,then you and many others here would
get the message......only enprison table.....others are just illusion.
hmmm
denzie
Are the wheels turning? Are you cogitating?
Aw, geez! The suspense is killing me. Spill it man, spill it!
Sam
Not yet...testing :girl_to:
Gonna try more...but yesterday this did very well. Of course many repeaters in the game... i wonder...is there any daily br used? Or just keep going till bingooo?
Denzie