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Title: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 11, 07:59 PM 2012
Hi!
Just want to say that Will Hill is just blocked me and my live table games.Here is my account statement of last three months,


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..in past two days I just want to play live roulette and the system wrote "not availabile tables bla bla.." and I went to ask live support why.They told me that I would get ansver within 24 hrs on my email and the answer is:

Dear Niksa,

I write further to your recent contact with our Customer Service team regarding the fact you are unable to place bets on Live Games in our Casino.

William Hill Casino reserves the right, through our  terms and conditions, to accept or refuse the whole or part of any bet placed with ourselves. At times we may choose to restrict the maximum value which a customer may place, but this is within our right to do so. This practice is common throughout the gaming world and whilst we understand you may not be satisfied with this, it is our prerogative to do so.

We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause you and value your ongoing customer with William Hill Casino.

Regards,

James Sawyer
Casino Supervisor

Is anyone here had similar experiences??

Cheers and sorry for my bad english  :smile:
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Droganson on Feb 11, 10:12 PM 2012
Quite simply you made too much money and they have banned you. Find another casino my friend and continue the pillaging!
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: iggiv on Feb 11, 10:17 PM 2012
maybe things are not that bad yet? they hinted it could be a temp measure? if it is -- it can be taken as warning. not to get too greedy. not to play and defeat the same casino too often.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 12, 03:41 AM 2012
Thank you people, now I have to be more careful and more strategic play. I switched my bank at Joyland Casino, where I have already registered. But I see that it is the owner of Will Hill. Do you have more to recommend that the casino has a stake of â,¬ 0.1 to the number.

Thanks again,

Niksa
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: soggett on Feb 12, 05:46 AM 2012
Hello Niksa
I heard about your problem from Drazen
Its unbelivable that they would do such a thing, they should be shut down
I mean, why not just say give us your money and leave, at least they would be honest about it that way, no need for games at all
I feel for you because I play there too and dont want to be banned
I'll send you a PM on our language
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: trebor on Feb 12, 06:50 AM 2012
Although this is bad for Nicksa we can surely take some comfort from this.

If casinos believed everyone playing online roulette will eventually lose to the house edge they would just wait for the players luck to run out.  They have, after all, very deep pockets.

Most people will lose anyway but that doesn't mean casinos won't take action against those that they suspect have found the way to beat them.

Robert
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: maestro on Feb 12, 07:13 AM 2012
what you can do is get all your friends or whoever you trust show them how to play and all they start play same way in casino see what will happen if they all get banned bring it over facebook, twitter and all over the media...niksa you are right will hill are baddd...
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 12, 10:18 AM 2012
The problem is not to say that I played,It is very easy this system exists in this forum and owner of this system is my friend Dražen which I am very very grateful for  his dedication and knowledge that he has invested there,and shame that these topics in the forum just stand abandoned because the system actually works very well.
I'll forward the link here to the thread and if you want to be suspended by the casinos start playing right away and do not waste time searching for the Holy Grail  :wink:
If you want to play safely recommend a large bank, for example if you play by 0.1â,¬ by chip preferred bank should be at least 500 â,¬.
Here is the link of the system,enjoy playing  :smile:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4960.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4960.0)

Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: GLC on Feb 12, 10:47 AM 2012
Dear Niksa,

Very sorry about how you're being treated by William Hill.  Your winning record is very impressive.  Even though most of the members here will commiserate with you, they will at the same time want to know exactly how you play Drazen's system.

All I can say is that if someone posts a series of wins like you just did, that's the best support for a system that I have ever seen.

Since you didn't mind telling us which system you used, can you give us the basic details regarding how you play the system?

Looking at your records, you appear to have won over 1,000 euro in about 3 months playing with 0.10 euro units.  You say that you need 5000  0.01 units  which is a pretty big spread and you have shown us that you have already doubled your bank roll.  Good for you.

LOL,  (although it looks like you don't need luck)

GLC
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: bally on Feb 12, 11:46 AM 2012
You know what would be interesting now is to log in and see if they let you play rng roulette. That would tell a tale in itself. Many people think play tech rng is somehow rigged. Please try and see if they let you log in to rng roulette.

Thank you.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: iggiv on Feb 12, 01:33 PM 2012
Niksa, i think this case should be published in casinomeister forum, they have their blacklisted casinos and stuff.

as for 10 c live casinos here u go:

casinoking.com, swisscasino, celtic casino, fairway casino, smaltlive casino, casino vittoriosa. 
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 12, 03:51 PM 2012
GLC,which part of system is not clear?? In thread Drazen's all beautifully written and I strongly hold that, just depends how much bank you have and what is the size of chips.

Hope You read the thread carefully and and finally play at the tables!!  :smile:

Niksa
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: GLC on Feb 12, 05:14 PM 2012
Quote from: niksa on Feb 12, 03:51 PM 2012
GLC,which part of system is not clear?? In thread Drazen's all beautifully written and I strongly hold that, just depends how much bank you have and what is the size of chips.

Hope You read the thread carefully and and finally play at the tables!!  :smile:

Niksa

I have been looking at it again.  There's quite a lot of reading to do all over again.  As I was reading, I had the thought that separating the numbers by dozens doesn't really make that much difference since we bet on the single numbers.  Why not just take the numbers that haven't hit in the 37 spins and divide them into 3 groups as evenly as possible to keep our progressions equal even if it meant having 4 or 5 groups with 4 or 5 progression lines.

If we had the bank roll we could bet each number individually with a separate bank roll.  That means that we would have to have about 900 units for as many numbers as we are willing to bet at one time.  Let's say we track until we have 12 unhit numbers.  Then we start betting all 12 numbers at 1 unit each with their own progression line.  As soon as we have a set number of hits, say 6, we take our winnings and re-track.  We could say as soon as we reach a certain win target amount or a certain number of hits we re-track and reset everything to 1.

I know, Drazen_cro said many times that there are a lot of ways to apply this idea and he's right.

A 5000 unit bank is a pretty substantial bank roll.  I've often thought that a 5,000 unit bank roll should be a benchmark to test all systems with.  In other words, if you can win on one system with a 5,000 unit bank, how many other systems might be viable when played with a 5,000 unit bank?  That way, when someone posts a system it can be ranked next to other systems because they are all graded against the same parameters. 

Okay, enough comments.  I know this is changing this topic, so if you think all this is verbiage is distracting from your original intention for this topic, please delete this.

GLC
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: artattack on Feb 13, 05:17 AM 2012
Niska, It does seem pointless finding a winning system if in the end you will just get banned.


It is just not worth the effort and time spent working on one.


Now bringing up Live wheel v RNG are they allowing you to play RNG? 


ART.




Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: vile on Feb 13, 06:55 AM 2012
--5000 units bank should be substantial for any law of the third method whith possibility
of higher limits-say 1000/1....and low chip 00,1...which some casinos offer.....but the problem
is that most ppl.have no patience of this kind of betting.....congratulation Niksa.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 13, 09:58 AM 2012
After I sent to inquire whether I will be able to play again, they answered me like this;

Dear Niksa,

This is Love from the Customer Services Team.

We acknowledge the receipt of your email.

Yes indeed, but we are unsure of the exact time frame when it will be
available. Just enjoy the rest of the games in the casino. Rest assured that
you will be informed of any updates as soon as possible.

Should you have any questions or concern, please let us know so we can provide
further assistance.

Thank you and have a great day.


So the conclusion is that I can play other games including probably the RNG table,but nevermind my bank is there now at zero and my account with them, waiting for better days.I still feel like a winner as far as Will Hhill  :twisted:
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Blood Angel on Feb 13, 10:56 AM 2012
Quote from: niksa on Feb 13, 09:58 AM 2012

I still feel like a winner as far as Will Hhill  :twisted:

Hey man you ARE a winner as far as Will Hill..congrats to you. don't let em bring you down..
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: iggiv on Feb 13, 02:40 PM 2012
Niksa just leave them alone for now. there are many other 10c live casinos.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 13, 03:09 PM 2012
Quote from: iggiv on Feb 13, 02:40 PM 2012
Niksa just leave them alone for now. there are many other 10c live casinos.

Yes for sure,if my bank will soon grow a little I will pay all at Betfair Casino,A friend(Godfather) told me that the fairest as far as payments and everything else.He and his associates paid there by tens of thousands of euros,and he said that never had a problems.There is a limit of  0.5-500â,¬,because I wait that my bank will grow a little. From now is everything ok on Joyland Casino,my bank is growing up!!  :smile:
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: vladir on Feb 13, 06:52 PM 2012
Joyland belongs to W.H.  group ;)

Take care.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Steve on Feb 14, 02:42 AM 2012
Soon I'll be starting a site to name and shame casinos like this. That way they'll pay for cheating players.

Sure, like their email says, what they did is common in the industry. But no player will find it acceptable and they'll lose money when they do it, contrary to what their actions aim to do.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Bayes on Feb 14, 03:10 AM 2012
This is pretty shabby behaviour from Will Hill, and it's not even as though you'd taken them for thousands.

You could try writing to the Daily Mail, they love this kind of stuff. Remember Balvinder Sambhi from a couple of years ago?

link:://:.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218061/In-money-Gambler-banned-UK-casinos-winning-28-000-using-secret-system.html (link:://:.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218061/In-money-Gambler-banned-UK-casinos-winning-28-000-using-secret-system.html)
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: superman on Feb 14, 03:22 AM 2012
LoL his book is out of stock!

link:://:.amazon.co.uk/Sequential-Roulette-Balvinder-Sambhi/dp/0955965101 (link:://:.amazon.co.uk/Sequential-Roulette-Balvinder-Sambhi/dp/0955965101)

Don't forget to read the reviews, looks like a waiting game and good old marty, maybe the press coverage was to get noticed and then make book sales, maybe he worked for the casino too!!
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Bayes on Feb 14, 03:38 AM 2012
Quote from: superman on Feb 14, 03:22 AM 2012
looks like a waiting game and good old marty

Yep.  ;D   I actually spoke to the man when the story came out, he uses a variety of systems but all involve waiting for losses and then doubling up with a VERY scary progression.

But WH deserve some negative publicity over this. They're one of the top UK bookies and make squillions, but they ban someone for winning a paltry 1k?

Makes you wonder though, seeing that you're banned from playing live wheels but NOT their RNG.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: superman on Feb 14, 03:43 AM 2012
QuoteMakes you wonder though, seeing that you're banned from playing live wheels but NOT their RNG

Maybe live wheels they think you are using DS VB Bias etc, RNG, well nuff said, no footprint as far as they are concerned.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: iggiv on Feb 14, 05:21 AM 2012
as i said casinomeister forum has already a list for bad casinos. I don't think William Hill wanna be there.

link:://:.casinomeister.com/rogue/ (link:://:.casinomeister.com/rogue/)
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 14, 06:33 AM 2012
Quote from: iggiv on Feb 14, 05:21 AM 2012
as i said casinomeister forum has already a list for bad casinos. I don't think William Hill wanna be there.

link:://:.casinomeister.com/rogue/ (link:://:.casinomeister.com/rogue/)

I will post my problem also there,but some later,now I am at work,ad I have only mobile phone for writting..
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Bayes on Feb 14, 08:09 AM 2012
I don't think you could put WH in the 'rogue' category, because they haven't actually cheated you or broken any laws (withheld payment, used rigged games etc). They're just exercising their right to deny access to play. It makes them look bad, but they can do this anytime and don't even need to give a reason for the ban.


Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 14, 08:54 AM 2012
Quote from: Bayes on Feb 14, 08:09 AM 2012
I don't think you could put WH in the 'rogue' category, because they haven't actually cheated you or broken any laws (withheld payment, used rigged games etc). They're just exercising their right to deny access to play. It makes them look bad, but they can do this anytime and don't even need to give a reason for the ban.

Yes Bayes,You are right,not necessary to waste words on big players such as dose.  :-\
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: iggiv on Feb 14, 09:16 AM 2012
banning small consisting winners is OK? yes, they can do it. But see what they say in casinomeister.
i am not sure they will be so happy about it there.  "makes them look bad" is good enough.


Quote from: Bayes on Feb 14, 08:09 AM 2012
I don't think you could put WH in the 'rogue' category, because they haven't actually cheated you or broken any laws (withheld payment, used rigged games etc). They're just exercising their right to deny access to play. It makes them look bad, but they can do this anytime and don't even need to give a reason for the ban.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 15, 10:25 AM 2012
Quote from: vile on Feb 13, 06:55 AM 2012
--5000 units bank should be substantial for any law of the third method whith possibility
of higher limits-say 1000/1....and low chip 00,1...which some casinos offer.....but the problem
is that most people.have no patience of this kind of betting.....congratulation Niksa.

Yes for sure,I spent and lost too mutch money on the various systems and experiments,to me such a patient and a safer game now comes as a kind of rehabilitation.  :twisted:

Thanks btw!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: biagle on Feb 16, 12:11 PM 2012
hello

niksa, you play with 0.1 units? on will hill live delear minimum is 1 unit (1 euro). Or you play on rng? How much minimum bankroll you recommend for what method if you play with 0.1?

thank you,
biagle
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: niksa on Feb 20, 05:53 PM 2012
Quote from: biagle on Feb 16, 12:11 PM 2012
hello

niksa, you play with 0.1 units? on will hill live delear minimum is 1 unit (1 euro). Or you play on rng? How much minimum bankroll you recommend for what method if you play with 0.1?

thank you,
biagle

Hi!!
Yes I play with 0.1â,¬ by unit,as I know on Will Hill live dealer is 0.1â,¬ min per number,I do not know more than when I'm banned  :D. I reccomend you The higher the bank but a minimum for me is 300 â,¬.

Have a nice day,

Niksa
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: downthehatch on Mar 05, 09:36 AM 2012
Quote from: superman on Feb 14, 03:22 AM 2012
LoL his book is out of stock!

link:://:.amazon.co.uk/Sequential-Roulette-Balvinder-Sambhi/dp/0955965101 (link:://:.amazon.co.uk/Sequential-Roulette-Balvinder-Sambhi/dp/0955965101)

Don't forget to read the reviews, looks like a waiting game and good old marty, maybe the press coverage was to get noticed and then make book sales, maybe he worked for the casino too!!

i bought the system on ebay,  play 2x groups of 4   8 9 11 12    26 27 29 30

play either 10p   28 step progression  or £1   20 step progression  both needed £2500 bank
those days i was still playing Rng and did not realize they were rigged, i actually won £400 but then lost the lot when the two groups did NOT appear for 43 spins on the trot !!!!

Still on sale from several vendors on ebay!!

Cheers dth
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: iggiv on Mar 05, 07:50 PM 2012
progressions like this don't work. period
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Bayes on Mar 06, 02:33 AM 2012
Quote from: downthehatch on Mar 05, 09:36 AM 2012
i bought the system on ebay,  play 2x groups of 4   8 9 11 12    26 27 29 30

play either 10p   28 step progression  or £1   20 step progression  both needed £2500 bank
those days i was still playing Rng and did not realize they were rigged, i actually won £400 but then lost the lot when the two groups did NOT appear for 43 spins on the trot !!!!

Still on sale from several vendors on ebay!!

Cheers dth

So let me get this straight; the progression busts and you come to the conclusion that the casino is rigged?

A 28 step progression on 8 numbers takes you to 2.7 Standard deviations, that happens all the time. Even a dozen/column can go to 30 spins without a hit, where you not aware of this?

43 spins without a hit is 3.4 Standard deviations, not so common, but it happens.

It never ceases to amaze me that people are willing to put their hard-earned money on the line on the basis of what someone tells them, without doing their own research.  :(
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: superman on Mar 06, 03:31 AM 2012
Quotethose days i was still playing Rng and did not realize they were rigged

Not having a dig mate but just because you lost doesn't mean it was rigged, it's getting boring now that people blame RNG for their losses, as Bayes said the SD is nothing unusual, it WILL also happen on a live wheel at some point, its just that RNG shows it to you much faster.

Random is the culprit not the platform
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: maestro on Mar 06, 04:46 AM 2012
you do fast spins on rng so it has to be that win//lose happen faster..and numbers you play are not all numbers..look for 8,9,11,12,16,17,18,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,30,31 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Robeenhuut on Mar 06, 06:08 AM 2012
Quote from: maestro on Mar 06, 04:46 AM 2012
you do fast spins on rng so it has to be that win//lose happen faster..and numbers you play are not all numbers..look for 8,9,11,12,16,17,18,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,30,31 :thumbsup:

Where did you get this sequence?
I wont play in this casino
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: downthehatch on Mar 06, 09:11 AM 2012
Quote from: Bayes on Mar 06, 02:33 AM 2012
So let me get this straight; the progression busts and you come to the conclusion that the casino is rigged?

A 28 step progression on 8 numbers takes you to 2.7 Standard deviations, that happens all the time. Even a dozen/column can go to 30 spins without a hit, where you not aware of this?

43 spins without a hit is 3.4 Standard deviations, not so common, but it happens.
It never ceases to amaze me that people are willing to put their hard-earned money on the line on the basis of what someone tells them, without doing their own research.  :(
Hi
i think when i used this system the other year i was much less aware of flaws in systems, also i dont have the maths skills of other folks on this forum

but arn't rngs programmed in such a way to beat such systems anyway?

Cheers Dth
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: superman on Mar 06, 09:29 AM 2012
Quotebut arn't rngs programmed in such a way to beat such systems anyway?

RNG random does not need telling to beat you, randomness alone does that.

There may be dodgy RNG casinos but think for yourself, if they had to programmed for every method we come out with their programmers would be busy all day all week all year, IF they wanted to take/steal your bankroll they would just program a simple if statement, something like

if player bank has increased by 20%

check placement of next bet

return number NOT COVERED by bet

But I can tell you with all honesty, they dont need to do anything like this, random can cope fine all on its own, an easy test for this is take a coin and a handfull of chips, use a marty and bet heads or tails see how long it takes for YOU (as you flip the coin) to steal all your chips OR better still, let the wife/girlfriend flip the coin, you track on a piece of paper the outcomes and bet as you want, follow the last, same as last, I can guarentee you will lose eventually.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: monaco on Oct 26, 07:38 AM 2012
my mate went to put £500 on Liverpool to beat Anzhi last night at the local William Hill, advertised price was Evens - they rang it through & told him, 'you can have £200 at Evens, & £300 at 5-6!'


When he questioned it saying the advertised price was Evens, they just said take it or leave it.. A$$holes!


Anyone ever come across this before? I've never heard of it.. should've gone to PaddyPower anyway, was 11-10.


Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Twisteruk on Oct 26, 03:01 PM 2012
When I used to do horses, with good success I had my bets restricted. Coral were the worst. I would ask for a bet each way and they would say win only at sp. Had a few accounts closed. Betfair was all that was left lol
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: Johnlegend on Oct 26, 03:17 PM 2012
Quote from: monaco on Oct 26, 07:38 AM 2012
my mate went to put £500 on Liverpool to beat Anzhi last night at the local William Hill, advertised price was Evens - they rang it through & told him, 'you can have £200 at Evens, & £300 at 5-6!'


When he questioned it saying the advertised price was Evens, they just said take it or leave it.. A$$holes!


Anyone ever come across this before? I've never heard of it.. should've gone to PaddyPower anyway, was 11-10.
Paddy Power and Betfred are the best people to bet with online. Incidentally Betfred and William Hill share the shave roulette live feed in Latvia. But ive never had any suspicious behaviour from betfred. They are as fair as any live B&M casino I have ever played at.
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: monaco on Oct 26, 06:14 PM 2012
Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 26, 03:01 PM 2012
When I used to do horses, with good success I had my bets restricted. Coral were the worst. I would ask for a bet each way and they would say win only at sp. Had a few accounts closed. Betfair was all that was left LoL


I've shown him Betfair, but he thinks online gambling is for the young 'uns!


He's usually strictly forecasts on the horses at lunchtime, & a hotbox on the dogs to see him through the afternoon  :)   
Title: Re: William Hill assholes
Post by: MrJ on Oct 26, 07:55 PM 2012
I know this thread was started way back in February but foul language in the title was really not necessary.

Ken