Hello everyone, Im still new when it comes to roulette so this has been on my mind for while.
After all the discussion and advice given, who's making consistant profit out of it? If i remember correctly, John Legend mentioned that he made about £30000 last year from roulette and it has been his main source of income since 2004. I know its everyone's dream to be able walk into a casino and get paid but apart from JL, who else is making good money from it?
Right now i have a system going very strong at the moment and im almost starting to think i can make living out of it but i don't want to be delusional or naive about it.
Quote from: Amazin on Feb 23, 08:09 AM 2012
> After all the discussion and advice given, who's making consistant profit out of it? <
Superman. :)
I am. Many players do.
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-Selling bots
Lol, there's not much money in it, if you way up the time and effort that goes into it it doesn't pay any bills, that's probably why coders come and go on forums, gamblers would prefer to pi$$ their money away on the table rather than save a lot and get it coded, reasonably cheaply, to see just how much they would actually lose, but they prefer to fund the casinos, their choice I suppose. And of course there's those that want coders to work for free too, and where are those free coders now?? given up as it's a never ending story, code this, make a tracker for that, bo11ocks to that, I also need to eat.
Well said
Superman, that's funny. I code what I want for my own enjoyment. I learned to program for the soul purpose of analyzing roulette. In fact, today I'm getting my computer to teach me what to expect to see from sessions using my favorout randomness weakness.
QuoteWell said
Thanks buddy
QuoteSuperman, that's funny. I code what I want for my own enjoyment. I learned to program for the soul purpose of analyzing roulette.
I've been coding PHP for many many years, when I first looked at roulette I created a tracker that runs in a web browser in PHP, years ago. I then decided to learn another language to code bots, I was self taught in PHP so found it fairly easy to learn other languages will the sole intention as you, to test roulette strategies/methods, been doing this for about 3 to 4 years now, and I still haven't found what Im looking for (U2 song lol)
As far as making money from bots goes, well, many will be suprised how often I get offers to make millions if I will just code this "method" for free and not share it, lol, they never work so I refuse now. There will be members reading this that I have refused to code their method, as in my opinion its a waste of my time and their money, you know who you are. A few have actually come back to me thanking me for NOT taking their money, or even worse, they paid someone else to code it in RX or something else and it falls flat on its t1ts.
I am chasing the same thing as everyone else, but I aint treating anyone like a mug on the journey and just taking their cash knowing that it wont work. I'm one of the good guys lol
hats off to you mate...just question how long took you to learn to code..i started month ago and find it easier to understand what my wife says than coding..started with c++...which one is easier to start with...thanks :thumbsup:
Quotefind it easier to understand what my wife says than coding
LOL, good one maestro. As to which is easiest to learn, not sure, I think the first thing you need to work out is what you want to do, C++ is a difficult language to cut your teeth on but it has all the functions you would need, personally I use basic, pure basic not windows visual basic, as I have a programing background, basic allows me to create the functions I need for the job, maybe I do more work than is needed but I am comfortable in that environment, each to their own I suppose.
thank you i will have a look on that pure basic..as for the reason to learn is driven from roulette as you could imagine i have lots of crazy thoughts which i will code ...one day ....because my brain wanders on strange and crazy ways.. :xd: :xd: :xd: as i do believe that roulette is hard to beat but rng is very very possible to beat..is just my thought might be wrong but have to prove this one..
Quoteroulette is hard to beat but rng is very very possible to beat
Exactly, I have said this many times, I am not trying to beat roulette, I am trying to work WITH rng, the roulette table with RNG is just a place to lay bets and make money
i am sayng this because i made more money of the rng than actual live roulette..so must be something..for example say you have system which bets all 36 numbers which are hit once...there will be situation with rng where we do not kno when but will happen when this missing number will hit two or more times in short period of time...because imagine your system playing 36 hit numbers as any other system has <w> and loose <l> registry so there along with all wins you see you will get something like :wwlwwlwllw..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
There's plenty of money in Roulette. Some RNGs are lucrative.
The concern for consistent winners is when casinos don't want your business or risk taking your winnings for "cheating".
do not care about casinos there are too many of them...if you know for sure when something will hit and play 4 casinos at the same time even 3 of them refuse to pay the other one will and you are in profit...the only problem is find what will hit for sure :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Quote from: maestro on Feb 25, 07:30 AM 2012
hats off to you mate...just question how long took you to learn to code..i started month ago and find it easier to understand what my wife says than coding..started with c++...which one is easier to start with...thanks :thumbsup:
Hi maestro, I agree with superman, C++ isn't the best choice and especially for someone who's learning to code.
There are lots of free BASICS on the net, just google 'free BASIC compilers and interpreters'.
I am and many players are making money. :thumbsup:
this thread is going way off topic. Are you all winning consistantly or not?
This remind me of another i was reading while back, they was talking about roulette at first then start talking about medicine instead, lol
Quote from: Amazin on Feb 25, 01:11 PM 2012
this thread is going way off topic. Are you all winning consistently or not?
This remind me of another i was reading while back, they was talking about roulette at first then start talking about medicine instead, LoL
Well i have not following this topic and just wanted to drop in and say Hello ...
What does it mean winning consistently? I assume no one does using Roulette Systems.
There is only one thing that works. When the conditions are favorable, attack.
thanks Bayes and superman for advice..and amazin chill out we are just talking yes i make money of roulette game this one goes to topic.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :xd:
Quote from: Gizmotron on Feb 25, 02:12 PM 2012
There is only one thing that works. When the conditions are favorable, attack.
Very well said. :thumbsup:
Timo
I do think its important to know. Time is the most important resource there is and I don't want to waste it. If I'm putting all the time and effort into something, I expect good return. Roulette is no different.
I just don't want to live in a fantasy. So many threads have been created trying to find a winning methods and all would mean nothing if no one is winning
amazin people are different what makes you think that if others failed you will too...regarding the time and effort this is gambling if you do not have ba11s and dedication you better do something else...fishing stamp collecting that sort of things.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Amazin on Feb 25, 07:48 PM 2012
I do think its important to know. Time is the most important resource there is and I don't want to waste it. If I'm putting all the time and effort into something, I expect good return. Roulette is no different.
I just don't want to live in a fantasy. So many threads have been created trying to find a winning methods and all would mean nothing if no one is winning
There is winning "methods", no doubt of it. Gitzmotron like Ray plays randomness, I think? and I think they are winning quite often. And there is more "methods" how to win.
Timo
Quote from: Gizmotron on Feb 25, 02:12 PM 2012
There is only one thing that works. When the conditions are favorable, attack.
I understand that "When conditions are favorable, attack" i test does thing for fun, my hobby.
But i assume pepole find them self having there own favorable situations with variations, its not the same favorable situation for every one as there is variations of how to play and use triggers for favorites/repeats/imbalance or playing against does.
I recon there is certain ways to identify does words "when conditions are favorable, attack".
Like using the word tendency witch mean that the distribution clustering in certain way and you can ride that wave when it is present.
Tendency.
I assume most pepole does not succeed to apply tendency as trigger due to lack of understanding about the game.
Witch make most of them fail.
I notice there has to be some hard core probability to make tendency to work out as described above or else it would be like playing with the flow or against the flow with any given situation - witch would mean that there is no difference in trying to find "favorable conditions".
I fool around with that topic and can play even money bets to be divide into 1 in 3 like dozen using the distributions different states or waves - witch creates chains like dozen play that two distinct states can hovering for 20 times in a row and make 300 trails end up with plus 16 units flat betting.
Then i assume some one could say to "attack when there is favorable conditions" or using tendency play as there is some hard core probability towards true favorites/repeats/imbalance.
I strongly believe Gizmotron makes money out of roulette. Please don't shoot me, it's just my personal opinion. I read through all his post and manage to pick up a small piece of his advice. I am making money out off roulette consistently just by following one of his way. Basically I track certain event and when one side is asleep I will go against it and stop immediately when it wakes up. The process is repeated and the attack will resume when the same condition happen again. It can be single dozen, 6 numbers, 9 numbers or even 24 numbers. Like what Gizmo said in one of his post, we can create as many situation as we wish. We are only betting a situation against the opposite situation. We won't know whether we are going to win or loss each time we place our bet. It's always a 50/50 situation for 18 numbers bet, minus the zero. We can say it's just a guess but it does not matter. What matter most is when we loss we only loss one bet and when we win we continue till it break.
I could be wrong, but as long as I am still positive I will continue playing this way.
Thank you very much Gizmo. Respect is given where it's due.
Regards
Nice going Sniper. You get what I'm suggesting. Don't waste your time on smaller groupings like 6, 9, & 12.
Here is a mathimatical puzzle for you. How do you bet on 24 numbers that pay 18 when it wins? Normally you win only 12.
Iwill take a guess,you play a 24 number method but bet 18 and hope that the other 6 don't come in. ^-^
No gold star for that.
But it is partially on target. I play 24 numbers hoping that the other 14 don't hit.
Hello Gizmo,
Thanks for the tip. What I normally do is track the 6 lines. If one line is sleeping, I will bet the other 2 dozens.
Regards
Sometime I play High/Low. When line 1 and/or line 2 is sleeping, play High. When line 5 and/or line 6 is sleeping, play Low.
Regards
Has anyone else found this to be true? It's more common to see a sleeping dozen last for 15 spins than for 15 singles in a row? If true, why?
Do the odds change while a condition continues to exist temporarily? Like in Sniper's example one of three streets sleep so the odds become 12 / 18 ignoring the zeros.
Gizmo,
It has been a pleasure knowing and talking to you. Best wishes for success at the tables and above all HAPPY WINNINGS !!!
Nathan Detroit
aka Tamino
QuoteHas anyone else found this to be true? It's more common to see a sleeping dozen last for 15 spins than for 15 singles in a row? If true, why?
Hello Gizmo,
The probability of 2 dozen hitting is higher than 1 dozen hitting.
Regards
QuoteDo the odds change while a condition continues to exist temporarily? Like in Sniper's example one of three streets sleep so the odds become 12 / 18 ignoring the zeros.
Hello Gizmo,
Mathematically the odd don't change. You just take advantage of the "temporary bias situation" when it happen.
Regards
I made money and still making money. $200 - $300 a day is my target and it's very easy to achieve.I been doing this for more than a year now. Just don't be greedy.
Care to share your method? 8)
Quote from: zero double zero on Apr 03, 05:11 AM 2012
I made money and still making money. $200 - $300 a day is my target and it's very easy to achieve.I been doing this for more than a year now. Just don't be greedy.
yes please! could you share your idea or direct to web site etc
Cheers Dth
"still hoping for that system after all these years"
Quote from: zero double zero on Apr 03, 05:11 AM 2012
I made money and still making money. $200 - $300 a day is my target and it's very easy to achieve.I been doing this for more than a year now. Just don't be greedy.
--If you do it on Zero double zero,as name suggest,then you must be
a magician or either telling tales.And doing it very easy.
Quote from: zero double zero on Apr 03, 05:11 AM 2012
I made money and still making money. $200 - $300 a day is my target and it's very easy to achieve.I been doing this for more than a year now. Just don't be greedy.
Would love to also be here when you tell us your method. :thumbsup:
Regards
M
This is no lie or fairy tale. I'm like anybody here, before I used to loss money at the casino. Until I discovered the method.
Do not bet every single spin. Roulette makes a pattern if you all noticed. Wait for the pattern . This will be your trigger. this is in every roulette table and surprisingly - it works on live and computer games. It's wonderful!!
I am working with a new method but still and always using my old one. Hope this new one will also work.
See my post. VLS 0double0. Bataan Way
@Zero double zero:
link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20022.0 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20022.0)
is that your system?
QuoteWould love to also be here when you tell us your method.
Quoteyes please! could you share your idea or direct to web site etc
Cheers Dth
"still hoping for that system after all these years"
you see, comments like that suggest that we still haven't found a stable system yet. After 1000s and threads and 10,000s of posts, you would expect we should be getting somewhere?
Just look at this thread, majority don't seem to be making much out of it.
For me, I'm going back to my roots which is Poker. I will still play roulette occasionally but I don't much to spend too much time on it. Think about it people, amount of time and energy you spend on figure out roulette can be easily spend on some else with more return. Think.
Quote from: Amazin on Apr 11, 07:02 PM 2012
@Zero double zero:
link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20022.0 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20022.0)
is that your system?
you see, comments like that suggest that we still haven't found a stable system yet. After 1000s and threads and 10,000s of posts, you would expect we should be getting somewhere?
Just look at this thread, majority don't seem to be making much out of it.
For me, I'm going back to my roots which is Poker. I will still play roulette occasionally but I don't much to spend too much time on it. Think about it people, amount of time and energy you spend on figure out roulette can be easily spend on some else with more return. Think.
No, that was not my system. At the beginning, I cannot believe my system works. I said to myself - maybe I'm only lucky, but after a year playing the system, it's stable.
My target is $200/ day win only. However, when I win $200, I keep $150 and play $50. when I win $300 I play the $100 or stop. I always stop at $500 profit.
Do not get me wrong - I sometimes loss due to careless but always up at the end of the week.
I do not come to this site to tell lie story or make people jeouslous. Why? What is the bernefit for me?My point is in roulette (american roulette) - there is a system that works.
Poker is a good game. As long as you make money - go for it.
Goodluck and cheers to all.
Amazin, may I suggest you get a good Roulette partner on here (someone you really like) that will keep you posted on highlights.
At the moment I'm making money :love: , and it was about time :-[ . Allthough I think my way of betting through and through, I depend on luck. You cannot formulate the randomness of roulette in a working system! Once I truly believed I had an undefeatable system. It brought me great winnings. Then, suddenly, I had 2 loosing streaks one after another. The most unbelievable thing happened. A couple of pivots, (about 4), did not show up in over 40 spins, costing me 2200 euro's. >:( Since then I accept the idea that there is no holy grail. How good a system may be, you just cannot win without luck! But winning, because of this luck, is possible !
Best regards,
Bassie
Quote from: Bassie the Clown on Apr 13, 01:15 PM 2012
At the moment I'm making money :love: , and it was about time :-[ . Allthough I think my way of betting through and through, I depend on luck. You cannot formulate the randomness of roulette in a working system! Once I truly believed I had an undefeatable system. It brought me great winnings. Then, suddenly, I had 2 losing streaks one after another. The most unbelievable thing happened. A couple of pivots, (about 4), did not show up in over 40 spins, costing me 2200 euro's. >:( Since then I accept the idea that there is no holy grail. How good a system may be, you just cannot win without luck! But winning, because of this luck, is possible !
Best regards,
Bassie
Couldn't have said it better, Bassie. And you're no clown. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
GLC
P.S. My last and most important post on this forum.
Good luck to all of you!
Good Luck and Best Wishes to you as well . . .
You will be missed and we appreciate all you have done for this forum.
God speed and if ever in the Mid-West, USA, we have some great Casinos . . . Nick
Goodbye George. I wish you and your family well. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bassie the Clown on Apr 13, 01:15 PM 2012
At the moment I'm making money :love: , and it was about time :-[ . Allthough I think my way of betting through and through, I depend on luck. You cannot formulate the randomness of roulette in a working system! Once I truly believed I had an undefeatable system. It brought me great winnings. Then, suddenly, I had 2 losing streaks one after another. The most unbelievable thing happened. A couple of pivots, (about 4), did not show up in over 40 spins, costing me 2200 euro's. >:( Since then I accept the idea that there is no holy grail. How good a system may be, you just cannot win without luck! But winning, because of this luck, is possible !
Best regards,
Bassie
Yes, you can formulate the randomness of roulette. I do not understand why it is happening. In this randomness it always creates pattern in live or computer roulette (same in bacarrat, it creates pattern)
I do not bet every single spin - I wait for the pattern and it always come. At $5 per single number total of $45 (9 numbers) . I need 3 wins only and I'm done. Just 3 wins and I always get it. Just wait. I'm not like some other players that bet like no tomorrow.
It's not about the roulette ball, not the dealer signature. I'm guessing maybe the way the American Roulette number arragement. The pattern occurs that I noticed happen but not very often in European Roulette.
I learn the disipline of playing my roulette system from bacarrat. BRIAN'S METHOD see bacarrat forum.
The disipline of waiting. Be Patience, Do not be greedy, know when to quit. It's all about disipline.
Is this the holy grail... I do not know -- because I loss sometimes (careless)
Eheh... he will be back :) . Meanwhile, all the best to you friend.
Quote from: Amazin on Feb 23, 08:09 AM 2012
...After all the discussion and advice given, who's making consistant profit out of it?...
This is a great question - how many professional Roulette players make a living playing Roulette?
I've never seen one in many years of gambling - I see poker players making a living because there is skill involved but what skill is needed in Roulette?
Roulette is a game of playing the odds - there is NO skill needed nor required. In 200+ years there are NO verifiable examples of gamblers making a living playing Roulette. Sure there are $200,000,000 lottery winners but there too a lottery is a game of odds - no skill is required nor needed to win a lottery. I'm sure some Roulette players have made thousands of dollars but over a long period of time they give it all back and more.
I used to play BlackJack and now just play Roulette - you will find me in local casinos and in Vegas spending 8 hours a day at the Roulette table - I love every second of it. I play the odds and hope to break even at the end of each day of gambling. Sometimes I have lucky streaks and walk away with a profit but that is eventually offset by smaller losses over time.
So why do I love Roulette? I move a lot of money around in 8 hours, a lot of money, and the pit boss sees that I have very serious money on the table all the time. I get comps like crazy and I enjoy seeing people making fools of themselves - it's free entertainment and right in front of me - I don't need to pay to see a show, I get one all the time right at the table.
With the free rooms, meals, tokens, and drinks I come out way way ahead of 99% of other gamblers that I watch come up to the Roulette table and blow their bankroll in 30 minutes or less.
Anyway, I don't make a living playing Roulette, doubt such a person exists, and have a great time playing Roulette at the expense of the casinos..........
P.S. If you want to make money at gambling - gamble on the stock market - it's regulated and if you buy just about any stock and hold it for 40 years you will make a great profit and pay just 15% long term capital gains on the winnings - just like the tax cheat Warren Buffett does....
:'(
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 10:23 AM 2012
This is a great question - how many professional Roulette players make a living playing Roulette?
I've never seen one in many years of gambling - I see poker players making a living because there is skill involved but what skill is needed in Roulette?
Roulette is a game of playing the odds - there is NO skill needed nor required. In 200+ years there are NO verifiable examples of gamblers making a living playing Roulette. Sure there are $200,000,000 lottery winners but there too a lottery is a game of odds - no skill is required nor needed to win a lottery. I'm sure some Roulette players have made thousands of dollars but over a long period of time they give it all back and more.
I used to play BlackJack and now just play Roulette - you will find me in local casinos and in Vegas spending 8 hours a day at the Roulette table - I love every second of it. I play the odds and hope to break even at the end of each day of gambling. Sometimes I have lucky streaks and walk away with a profit but that is eventually offset by smaller losses over time.
So why do I love Roulette? I move a lot of money around in 8 hours, a lot of money, and the pit boss sees that I have very serious money on the table all the time. I get comps like crazy and I enjoy seeing people making fools of themselves - it's free entertainment and right in front of me - I don't need to pay to see a show, I get one all the time right at the table.
With the free rooms, meals, tokens, and drinks I come out way way ahead of 99% of other gamblers that I watch come up to the Roulette table and blow their bankroll in 30 minutes or less.
Anyway, I don't make a living playing Roulette, doubt such a person exists, and have a great time playing Roulette at the expense of the casinos..........
P.S. If you want to make money at gambling - gamble on the stock market - it's regulated and if you buy just about any stock and hold it for 40 years you will make a great profit and pay just 15% long term capital gains on the winnings - just like the tax cheat Warren Buffett does....
:'( now thats a downer.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 22, 10:42 AM 2012
:'( :'( now that's a downer.
The truth will set you free...........
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 10:59 AM 2012
The truth will set you free...........
So your saying we should all give up roulette and take up karate?
Quote from: warrior on Apr 22, 11:08 AM 2012
So your saying we should all give up roulette and take up karate?
Personally, I love Tae Kwon Do. (Kukkiwon certified 4th degree Black Belt)
What I'm saying is that if you want to have the casinos pay for your rooms, meals, drinks, and tokens to gamble then Roulette is an excellent way to move large amounts of money around and get those comps and break even in the process.
If you want to try to make a living gambling then poker is for you - it takes years and years of losing, a good sized bankroll, and a flair for bluffing. Not many folks have those attributes and thus there are but a handful of professional poker players who play full time. (compared to the universe of poker players).
There are lots of Roulette systems and programs and gizmos for sale that claim to give you an edge - the odds of Roulette just don't allow for this.
Roulette odds are fixed and can't be changed by any science I am aware of - maybe in another solar system or galaxy they can be changed but not on Earth....
@mauisusnet
To be successfull in roulette you don't need to be skilled??
You need to be darn good artist, magician even...
MY friend out there are some good professionals, i know dozens od them.. Yes even system players professionals... Professor Richard XXVV that is posting on this forum is one of them for example...
Also other side- Advantage-play side. How many skill you need for that??? Well you can't even conceive that.. To be on that level you need to be above biggest fanaticsm you can imagine.. Not to mention how much hard work.
But no matter which side you choose you need to have iron PATIENCE... That is primary skill for this game.
Now, ask anyone here, all will tell you that patince you need for succesfull playing roulette is pure SKILL that few of them can achieve..
Selfcontrol is second required skill...
No need for next ones..
Good luck with further play
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Apr 22, 11:25 AM 2012
@mauisusnet
To be successfull in roulette you don't need to be skilled??
You need to be darn good artist, magician even...
MY friend out there are some good professionals, i know dozens od them.. Yes even system players professionals... Professor Richard XXVV that is posting on this forum is one of them for example...
Also other side- Advantage-play side. How many skill you need for that??? Well you can't even conceive that.. To be on that level you need to be above biggest fanaticsm you can imagine.. Not to mention how much hard work.
But no matter which side you choose you need to have iron PATIENCE... That is primary skill for this game.
Now, ask anyone here, all will tell you that patince you need for succesfull playing roulette is pure SKILL that few of them can achieve..
Good luck with further play
Regards
Drazen
Maybe these folks exist - I've not seen any.
When I go to Vegas we occasionally will take in a magic show - I see cars flying through the air, people being cut in half, people flying, and all kinds of things my mind knows are impossible - but it's fun to be fooled.
This is NO way to change the odds of Roulette - none, zip, zilch......if you can't change the odds then all you can hope for are the stated odds - which favor the casino.
But who knows, maybe some of those gals who get sawed in half are from another planet where they can grow back their legs in minutes......anything is possible.....
First of all to point you something about unwritten rules of posting on forum. don't quote somebody when your reply of that post is immediately after that post. ... No need for that and looks silly also...
I told you they exist and one example of system player pro. You want Advantage-play pro example here? EGO and Kelly as probably the best ones..
With advantage play you can gain positive expectancy... Only at that way.
In system sphere of playing you can't have positive expectancy on house edge, but with suistanable method, better to say with combination of methods, lot of patience, good bank and good MM or staking plan you can be in plus longterm.
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Apr 22, 11:43 AM 2012
First of all to point you something about unwritten rules of posting on forum. don't quote somebody when your reply of that post is immediately after that post. ... No need for that and looks silly also...
I told you they exist and one example of system player pro. You want Advantage-play pro example here? EGO
You can't change the odds but with advantage play you can gain postive expectancy... Only at that way.
In system sphere of playing you can't have postive expectancy on house edge, but with suistanable method, better to say with combination of methods, lot of patience, good bank and good MM or staking plan you can be in plus longterm.
Regards
Drazen
I run dozens of chat rooms - I love quoting since the post being cited can't mysteriously change in the future.
All I'm saying is that I've never personally seen a Roulette player beat Roulette on a consistent basis - I highly doubt such a person exists. If I had to give odds I'd say they were 99.9999% against such a person existing but there is that .000001% chance I'll throw in there.
If you believe in the silly notion that you can gain an Advantage over the casino by studying the wheel, ball, and dealer then I can't relate to you; I believe in reality.
I've offered rewards for folks who want to demonstrate their Roulette prowess - no one has claimed the prize; so I've tried to find these gamblers and have failed to find them.
Somehow I think these professional Roulette gamblers are like Elvis - I occasionally catch a glimpse of them in Vegas but can never actually find them when I need them.....
MSunset -" There are lots of Roulette systems and programs and gizmos for sale that claim to give you an edge - the odds of Roulette just don't allow for this."
There's nothing for sale. I said I would take on ten students.I spent eight months doing that. I spent well over 30 days working with each student. I learned from that experience too. Yes I charged for my time. I've said no to everyone that has asked since then. Now it's in the wide open and in your face.
So what are the odds that a useful trend forms up and that continues for 20 continuous spins in the next day? We have continuous spins coming out of Germany. What are the chances that a high quality trend occurs in the next two hours? Where are the mathematicians tracking the statistics on trends that are favorably continuous? Certainly not you. You would not be caught dead discovering those statistics.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 12:06 PM 2012
I run dozens of chat rooms - I love quoting since the post being cited can't mysteriously change in the future.
All I'm saying is that I've never personally seen a Roulette player beat Roulette on a consistent basis - I highly doubt such a person exists. If I had to give odds I'd say they were 99.9999% against such a person existing but there is that .000001% chance I'll throw in there.
If you believe in the silly notion that you can gain an Advantage over the casino by studying the wheel, ball, and dealer then I can't relate to you; I believe in reality.
I've offered rewards for folks who want to demonstrate their Roulette prowess - no one has claimed the prize; so I've tried to find these gamblers and have failed to find them.
Somehow I think these professional Roulette gamblers are like Elvis - I occasionally catch a glimpse of them in Vegas but can never actually find them when I need them.....
Your percentage is wrong. I dare to say 95% are losers 4-5% are longterm sucessufll and about 1% are pro-s.
But anyway. You made me so laugh my friend.
You know, there are some logical reasons why is so hard to find pro players... Especialy VB ones. Even harder to spot them on action...
I can assure you that for best ones even if i would brougth you while they are playing and say, look that man is pro and he is doing VB, you will observe his play and say: no chance... Yap.
There are many parts of VB play, succesfull staying under radar is one them. System players dont have to be so carefull until they dont win too much lol...
They are present, but getting in pro world one way or another takes decades my friend... impossible to regular mortals...
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 22, 12:13 PM 2012
MSunset -" There are lots of Roulette systems and programs and gizmos for sale that claim to give you an edge - the odds of Roulette just don't allow for this."
There's nothing for sale. I said I would take on ten students.I spent eight months doing that. I spent well over 30 days working with each student. I learned from that experience too. Yes I charged for my time. I've said no to everyone that has asked since then. Now it's in the wide open and in your face.
So what are the odds that a useful trend forms up and that continues for 20 continuous spins in the next day? We have continuous spins coming out of Germany. What are the chances that a high quality trend occurs in the next two hours? Where are the mathematicians tracking the statistics on trends that are favorably continuous? Certainly not you. You would not be caught dead discovering those statistics.
Gizmo we've been down this path many times in the past - you brag, I offer for you to demonstrate your skills, and you bag out; old news.
It's real simple - the odds of Roulette are easy to calculate and they can't be changed under any circumstances. Roulette has stood the assault of millions of gamblers in over 200+ years and Roulette is still in every casino in the world - it's a huge money maker for the casinos.
I won't ask anyone to demonstrate their skills since I know it will never happen - sad to say.
Like I said years ago now, if you have a way of beating Roulette you simply need to publish a paper and the Nobel committee will award you the Nobel Prize for Math and $1,000,000 cash and the casinos will throw all the Roulette wheels in the street. How cool is that.
Quote from: drazen_cro on Apr 22, 12:20 PM 2012
Your percentage is wrong. I dare to say 95% are losers 4-5% are longterm sucessufll and about 1% are pro-s.
But anyway. You made me so laugh my friend.
You know, there are some logical reasons why is so hard to find pro players... Especialy VB ones. Even harder to spot them on action...
I can assure you that for best ones even if i would brougth you while they are playing and say, look that man is pro and he is doing VB, you will observe his play and say: no chance... Yap.
There are many parts of VB play, succesfull staying under radar is one them. System players don't have to be so carefull until they don't win too much LoL...
They are present, but getting in pro world one way or another takes decades my friend... impossible to regular mortals...
Regards
Drazen
The problem with being a Professional Roulette player is that you can't tell anyone who you are - as you walk into any casino your face is scanned and recognized and if you are that Professional player you will be greeted by 2 or more ex-football (American football) players who will throw you into the street.
Life must be hell for the Professional Roulette player...
This topic is going no where.
The only way to beat roulette is a computer i wish i had one.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 12:23 PM 2012
Gizmo we've been down this path many times in the past - you brag, I offer for you to demonstrate your skills, and you bag out; old news
I won't ask anyone to demonstrate their skills since I know it will never happen - sad to say.
I would be happy to demonstrate this.
Putting you in your place is far better than letting you blah
endlessly with your pseudo expertise. Your day has come.
I guess this is to be done in a live chat? To be conducted by
a trusted member?
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 22, 01:04 PM 2012
I would be happy to demonstrate this.
Putting you in your place is far better than letting you blah
endlessly with your pseudo expertise. Your day has come.
I guess this is to be done in a live chat? To be conducted by
a trusted member?
Super - here is my website with all the details: link:://:.roulettestrategytowin.com/my-1000-roulette-contest/ (link:://:.roulettestrategytowin.com/my-1000-roulette-contest/)
You can sign up for the May contest when it opens in a few weeks.
One thing I want to emphasis - I will be playing your system with you live. You have me for a total of 10 hours in your entrance fee. If you believe you can teach me your method in that time frame then sign up, if you don't think 10 hours is enough then I will be billing your $10 for each additional hour it takes me to master your method/system.
I can't wait until the May contest opens sometime in mid-May.
All the best...
I doubt that you could learn to properly clean toilets in five hours. Heck - you have to be joking. And you want $100 too. You must be joking. I said that I would demonstrate my method. For this you don't want to send a boy.
This must be the punch line of a truly disturbed individual. He went to all this for system players. That's all MauiSunset has a capacity for. Time to sit aside and let the adults show you how it's done.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 01:18 PM 2012
S :girl_to:uper - here is my website with all the details: link:://:.roulettestrategytowin.com/my-1000-roulette-contest/ (link:://:.roulettestrategytowin.com/my-1000-roulette-contest/)
You can sign up for the May contest when it opens in a few weeks.
One thing I want to emphasis - I will be playing your system with you live. You have me for a total of 10 hours in your entrance fee. If you believe you can teach me your method in that time frame then sign up, if you don't think 10 hours is enough then I will be billing your $10 for each additional hour it takes me to master your method/system.
I can't wait until the May contest opens sometime in mid-May.
All the best...
QuoteYou can sign up for the May contest when it opens in a few weeks.
One thing I want to emphasis - I will be playing your system with you live. You have me for a total of 10 hours in your entrance fee. If you believe you can teach me your method in that time frame then sign up, if you don't think 10 hours is enough then I will be billing your $10 for each additional hour it takes me to master your method/system.
Wow, the person with the method must pay YOU and if you don't get it within the time allocated they must pay YOU more, that's a good one.
Why would anyone want to PAY to prove their system works?? did I miss April the 1st? or are you late?
REALLY! this guy has demonstrated more gall than any
other contributor from at least six Roulette forums in
the past five years. He has a third degree blackbelt in
baloney for this.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 12:06 PM 2012
I run dozens of chat rooms - I love quoting since the post being cited can't mysteriously change in the future.
All I'm saying is that I've never personally seen a Roulette player beat Roulette on a consistent basis - I highly doubt such a person exists. If I had to give odds I'd say they were 99.9999% against such a person existing but there is that .000001% chance I'll throw in there.
If you believe in the silly notion that you can gain an Advantage over the casino by studying the wheel, ball, and dealer then I can't relate to you; I believe in reality.
I've offered rewards for folks who want to demonstrate their Roulette prowess - no one has claimed the prize; so I've tried to find these gamblers and have failed to find them.
Somehow I think these professional Roulette gamblers are like Elvis - I occasionally catch a glimpse of them in Vegas but can never actually find them when I need them.....
Reward????What kind of reward????---If it is profitable for me,I can prove you wrong.
Guys, I'm running a contest where I pay you $1,000 if you double your initial bank roll in 100 spins of the wheel. To keep wackos out I charge $100 entrance fee and take up to 10 hours of my time to master the system or method.
Then I hold a live Webinar using a live spinning wheel from a well known casino where everyone can check to see that the spins are live. The Webinar is taped and is available to anyone in the future.
If $100 is too steep of an entrance fee then you're just wasting my time.
It's real simple folks - if you can indeed beat Roulette this should be a snap and you get $1,000 instantly in your PayPal account the instant the contest closes and if you won. You can hand out the link to your friends and family to show them how you won $1,000 for playing Roulette. You get all the bragging rights and I'm out $1,000.
Beyond that I've heard dozens and dozens of excuses why folks can't take my challenge - no one has won yet; be the first.......
Screw your reward and this way of promoting...
The ones who are beating wheel clean their a*ses with 1000 dollars... And they don't have to prove or show anything to anyone. Nor they are doing that. What a silly idea.... You are making yourself funny if you will understand.
That is insult to very intelligent people out there that are beating the wheel.
No offence.
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Apr 22, 02:45 PM 2012
Screw your reward and this way of promoting...
The ones who are beating wheel clean their a*ses with 1000 dollars... And they don't have to prove or show anything to anyone. Nor they are doing that. What a silly idea.... You are making yourself funny if you will understand.
That is insult to very intelligent people out there that are beating the wheel.
No offence.
Regards
Drazen
Should I put this down as excuse #25?
Nothing personal against you or your site.
Just told you as it is. These cats are un-catchable whit whatever you lure them... Uncatchable even for whole pack of angry wolves, that are much more smarter then you by the way ( whole casino stuff and logistics)
Now i will shut up.
I made my point.
Once again sorry for some words, they were necessary.
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Apr 22, 03:01 PM 2012
Nothing personal against you or your site.
Just told you as it is. These cats are un-catchable whit whatever you lure them... Uncatchable even for whole pack of angry wolves, that are much more smarter then you by the way ( whole casino stuff and logistics)
Now i will shut up.
I made my point.
Once again sorry for some words, they were necessary.
Regards
Drazen
At one time I believed that a jolly old guy, in a red suit, came down the fireplace chimney, (we didn't have a fireplace at the time), and gave me presents. He did this 2 billion times that night too. I'm ashamed to admit that I believed it when I was 4 years old.
There are lots of stories about gamblers - urban legends. I believe Einstein was right and have on ongoing Roulette contest open to anyone who wants to demonstrate their Roulette skills.
Here's my contest on YouTube:
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=H1fH_b_kK7g# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=H1fH_b_kK7g#)
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 02:38 PM 2012
Guys, I'm running a contest where I pay you $1,000 if you double your initial bankroll in 100 spins of the wheel.
that can be done simply betting one even chance.
:thumbsup:
@mauisunset
Ah my friend....
You don't belive that real pro players exist.
You don't know how and which ways they are winning...
You don't know how much they /can/ earn.
You can't even imagine how hard that is and what consequences especialy on social life that usualy has... (don't know any pro that hasn't been left from wife because of wheel..- at least once) by the way here on forum you have pro player, man that had 6 divorces because of wheel, and today found luck with 7th wife in 7th decade of his life...
Anyway belive in them or not, they won't come down through your chimney and do the magic... But they are real, and they have smile while reading this...
Especialy on way you want to lure them... As alberto said in the post above this...
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: albertojonas on Apr 22, 03:56 PM 2012
that can be done simply betting one even chance.
:thumbsup:
Nope, 100 spins with 100 minimum bets at least. No less and no more.
I've tried to rule out "luck" and have a system demonstrate that it actually works.
Quote from: drazen_cro on Apr 22, 03:58 PM 2012
@mauisunset
Ah my friend....
You don't belive that real pro players exist.
You don't know how and which ways they are winning...
You don't know how much they /can/ earn.
You can't even imagine how hard that is and what consequences especialy on social life that usualy has... (don't know any pro that hasn't been left from wife because of wheel..- at least once) by the way here on forum you have pro player, man that had 6 divorces because of whel,l and today found luck with 7th wife in 7th decade of his life...
Anyway belive in them or not, they won't come down through your chimney and do the magic... But they are real, and they have smile while reading this...
Regards
Drazen
The reason I'm confident that I will NEVER have a successful winner to my challenge is simple math - the odds favor the casino.
Roulette has survived 200+ years of 27/4 attacks - billions and maybe trillions of attempts to "beat Roulette" every second of every day for 200+ years. Some of the folks are mathematical geniuses and they all fail.
If you study the folks claiming to beat Roulette they all have a super secret idea that destroys the mathematics behind Roulette.
Yet Roulette tables are in every casino in the world and on the internet - it makes a lot of money for the casino and not the players.
Me, I enjoy the game for the comps. I enjoy Roulette more than any other game in the casino and I don't think I could ever be a great poker player......
Hello everyone,
I have a lot of posts to catch up on.
Don't tell me GLC has stepped out of the game?
CODE 4 played correctly will show good results for the majority of players.
George has found what we all are looking for and that way he has gone, to make money :thumbsup: If anyone of all mortals here deserved, that was him.. Sooner or later..
Read few of his last posts you will see...
And C4 is for mortals here, he has better odds over there.. Maybe one day he stops by and confirms that..
Regards
Drazen
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 04:05 PM 2012
The reason I'm confident that I will NEVER have a successful winner to my challenge is simple math - the odds favor the casino.
Roulette has survived 200+ years of 27/4 attacks - billions and maybe trillions of attempts to "beat Roulette" every second of every day for 200+ years. Some of the folks are mathematical geniuses and they all fail.
If you study the folks claiming to beat Roulette they all have a super secret idea that destroys the mathematics behind Roulette.
Yet Roulette tables are in every casino in the world and on the internet - it makes a lot of money for the casino and not the players.
Me, I enjoy the game for the comps. I enjoy Roulette more than any other game in the casino and I don't think I could ever be a great poker player......
Mi amigo, sitting in front of the PC and claiming that nothing works in roulette is one thing, and spilling sweat and founding the truth is another thing....
If i knew at the start that this fight will be this hard i would probably quite before i started. But now i came too far to give up.
You don't have to be mathematical genius to know the truth and beat the wheel.. Just lot of sweat. After all genius is 99% of perspiration and 1% of inspiration.
Hard work for years and decades is what all they have done before beating the wheel.
And you have to pass all levels to get to goal. In other words you have to learn to walk so you could learn to run.
regards
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Apr 22, 04:27 PM 2012
Mi amigo, sitting in front of the PC and claiming that nothing works in roulette is one thing, and spilling sweat and founding the truth is another thing....
If i knew at the start that this fight will be this hard i would probably quite before i started. But now i came too far to give up.
You don't have to be mathematical genius to know the truth and beat the wheel.. Just lot of sweat. After all genius is 99% of perspiration and 1% of inspiration.
Hard work for years and decades is what all they have done before beating the wheel.
And you have to pass all levels to get to goal. In other words you have to learn to walk so you could learn to run.
regards
Drazen
The burden of proof is NOT on me - I say the Roulette is a winner for the casinos and anyone saying that they can "beat Roulette" has the burden on them.
I just have a contest open to all takers if they want to demonstrate their ability to "beat Roulette".....
And one thing mon ami...
You have completely wrong view in pro players in this aspect..
You think they just see the wheel and take as much money as they want.. WRONG
Even best players have to be very patient while getting their chance to beat the wheel.
Advantage-play which is only way you can actualy creat an edge over the house depends on the wheel. Not all wheels are favourable.. Actualy it is less of them every day...
In 3 out of 10 casinos today VB player can do something... many times they come to casino and kiss the doors..
It is not what some enthuisast would like to hear, but that is the true..
Life of pro roulette player is not easy at all. It has its advantages(financies) but the one has to pay usualy high price to get to there...
Regards
Drazen
P.s. i bombarded this thread although not best knowledable man, but i did my best to explain some things. If i said something wrong, seniour members please correct me.
WE ARE ! and its no bull ! every system works, but only short time, we have been studying the roulette game for over 2 years and no make $200 - $300 a day, that is our goal as we gave up work to do this, The secret is to be real patient ( we only go to a live casino as dont trust online casinos ) if you have to sit for a few hours and know which system to hit, then so be it, treat it like a job, usually we only have to be ther for about 2 hours a day, make out goal and leave, I will be honest with you, you can have losses in a day, but you can get it back, but have to have enough money in the machine to back it up, so a system that worked for you today, might not work for you tommoro, thats why you change systems at the right time, we have alot of systems and just watch the wheel and the numbers and know when to hit at that particular time, we dont bet every spin either, you have to know the game, people that go in and throw money in a machine and hope for luck, may as well throw their money in the rubbish bin ! study the game and you will win too, but dont get greedy, set a goal for the day then leave, :smile:
Quote from: styleee on Apr 22, 05:03 PM 2012
WE ARE ! and its no bull ! every system works, but only short time, we have been studying the roulette game for over 2 years and no make $200 - $300 a day, that is our goal as we gave up work to do this, The secret is to be real patient ( we only go to a live casino as don't trust online casinos ) if you have to sit for a few hours and know which system to hit, then so be it, treat it like a job, usually we only have to be ther for about 2 hours a day, make out goal and leave, I will be honest with you, you can have losses in a day, but you can get it back, but have to have enough money in the machine to back it up, so a system that worked for you today, might not work for you tommoro, that's why you change systems at the right time, we have a lot of systems and just watch the wheel and the numbers and know when to hit at that particular time, we don't bet every spin either, you have to know the game, people that go in and throw money in a machine and hope for luck, may as well throw their money in the nonsense bin ! study the game and you will win too, but don't get greedy, set a goal for the day then leave, :smile:
:thumbsup:
Before this became a joke, all I said was that I will demonstrate my methods.
My rules are more practical. I'll need about 150 spins. That's about five
hours live play at my casino. This will take place right here in this chat room.
We will use live spins from Germany. (Wiesbatin)
All that is needed is someone to post spins as they come up.
All for free, no prizes.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 22, 07:40 PM 2012
Before this became a joke, all I said was that I will demonstrate my methods.
My rules are more practical. I'll need about 150 spins. That's about five
hours live play at my casino. This will take place right here in this chat room.
We will use live spins from Germany. (Wiesbatin)
All that is needed is someone to post spins as they come up.
All for free, no prizes.
Great, let me know when....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 07:45 PM 2012
Great, let me know when....
I doubt if anyone is interested in this. Other than you that is.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 07:45 PM 2012
Great, let me know when....
About your challenge. This would not prove anything. You can have massive luck and make lots of money in 100 spins and opposite. But nobody could produce such results over and over again.
Only proof would be a statement from casino showing your constant winnings.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 22, 08:00 PM 2012
About your challenge. This would not prove anything. You can have massive luck and make lots of money in 100 spins and opposite. But nobody could produce such results over and over again.
Only proof would be a statement from casino showing your constant winnings.
Regards
It's a start, and I'd gladly pay $1,000 for something that can double my bankroll in 100 spins. If I ever find someone who will take my challenge my casino is just 35 minutes away and I'd head up there, right after I pay the winner, and hopefully make back the $1,000 to pay off my bet.
I'm hoping that this will someday happen....(I do want this to succeed)
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 22, 07:58 PM 2012
I doubt if anyone is interested in this. Other than you that is.
Well if you ever do your demo just let me know.........
maui,
What you seek is impossible. Nothing will ever double your money everytime betting 100 spins. Random will never allow this to happen. But using the knowledge you aquire from playing you may be able to beat the game longterm. Knowing your bet and knowing when to walk away are the keys. There are four things that can happen in the game. Win alot, win a little, lose a little, lose alot. If you can eliminate the last one, which takes a lot of disipline, then and only then can you beat the game. Good luck having someone give you this on a platter cause it wont happen. Peaple that win stay under the radar. Loose lips sink ships if youve ever heard that expression. GJ
very well said deepreed
Quote from: deepred on Apr 22, 10:06 PM 2012
Peaple that win stay under the radar. lose lips sink ships if youve ever heard that expression.
No. Among other things, those persons write the book on it... make 1000 X's the money in as less the time... but sans all the risk, and other headaches. They then re-invest that money into other businesses which are much higher up in the financial heirarchy.
There are some people making money in the long run. Casino holds house edge but you can choose your win goal and stop loss and with proper strategy and of course BR its possible be in profit.
But most lack discipline and patience and sad to say that even elementary knowledge of the game.
Regards
Quote from: deepred on Apr 22, 10:06 PM 2012
maui,
What you seek is impossible. Nothing will ever double your money everytime betting 100 spins. Random will never allow this to happen. But using the knowledge you aquire from playing you may be able to beat the game longterm. Knowing your bet and knowing when to walk away are the keys. There are four things that can happen in the game. Win a lot, win a little, lose a little, lose a lot. If you can eliminate the last one, which takes a lot of disipline, then and only then can you beat the game. Good luck having someone give you this on a platter cause it won't happen. Peaple that win stay under the radar. lose lips sink ships if youve ever heard that expression. GJ
Well I will continue to offer my challenge and maybe someday someone will win it and I will have a system that doubles my bankroll in 100 spins.
Until then, no verifiable proof exists that Roulette can be beaten - that is to say it is reproducible by other folks time and time again.
This reminds me of how space aliens haven't been photographed recently even with billions of cell phones with high definition cameras all around the globe - the only "proof" of these super smart supreme beings are fuzzy black and white photos from the 1960's of aluminum pie pans hung from a string.
I think that's what my contest will finally uncover - fuzzy descriptions of super smart Roulette players who can't be found......
Maui, it is so boring --your repeating over and over again. "Roulette is unbeatable till someone shows me how to beat it". How many times we got this from u? Change the tune, make up something new!
And why someone will come to teach u winning roulette? Just to prove something? C'mon...U can ask for money as well. "Give me 1000 dollars or u don't have it. If u give it to me then i will agree that u may have some of those green pieces of paper"
:)
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 22, 11:46 PM 2012
This reminds me of how space aliens haven't been photographed recently even with billions of cell phones with high definition cameras all around the globe - the only "proof" of these super smart supreme beings are fuzzy black and white photos from the 1960's of aluminum pie pans hung from a string.
I think that's what my contest will finally uncover - fuzzy descriptions of super smart Roulette players who can't be found......
Let's hope if they are found that they're not hanging from strings. :xd:
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 22, 11:28 PM 2012
There are some people making money in the long run.
Ya, the guy in England who bet his life's savings of 100,000 pounds on red ONCE.
Quote from: iggiv on Apr 23, 12:08 AM 2012
Maui, it is so boring --your repeating over and over again. "Roulette is unbeatable till someone shows me how to beat it". How many times we got this from u? Change the tune, make up something new!
And why someone will come to teach u winning roulette? Just to prove something? C'mon...You can ask for money as well. "Give me 1000 dollars or u don't have it. If u give it to me then i will agree that u may have some of those green pieces of paper"
:)
There is NO proof that Roulette is beatable - none exists.
Mathematics tells us this in the form of the posted odds available at any Roulette table in the world and the most respected gambling websites have no proof it can be "beaten".
Yet may say it can be beaten - the proof is on them to demonstrate it.
There are NO odds posted anywhere on any website that give the player the edge over the house.
That does not mean that folks can't win at Roulette on a spin, but the more Roulette is played the more the odds favor the casino.
If just one person can beat Roulette and pass that system/method on to others then Roulette will be thrown out of all casinos and mathematics will be proven wrong.
I put my trust in 200+ years of casinos making billions with their Roulette wheel and not someone who says they can beat Roulette but for a dozen reasons can't and won't prove their claims.....
I had no idea you were so desperate. This is a moment of total irony.
The very thing you hope to find and you are too blind to see it.
Such is life. Keep complaining.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 12:24 AM 2012
There is NO proof that Roulette is beatable - none exists.
Mathematics tells us this in the form of the posted odds available at any Roulette table in the world and the most respected gambling websites have no proof it can be "beaten".
Yet may say it can be beaten - the proof is on them to demonstrate it.
There are NO odds posted anywhere on any website that give the player the edge over the house.
That does not mean that folks can't win at Roulette on a spin, but the more Roulette is played the more the odds favor the casino.
If just one person can beat Roulette and pass that system/method on to others then Roulette will be thrown out of all casinos and mathematics will be proven wrong.
I put my trust in 200+ years of casinos making billions with their Roulette wheel and not someone who says they can beat Roulette but for a dozen reasons can't and won't prove their claims.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 12:24 AM 2012
There is NO proof that Roulette is beatable - none exists.
Mathematics tells us this in the form of the posted odds available at any Roulette table in the world and the most respected gambling websites have no proof it can be "beaten".
Yet may say it can be beaten - the proof is on them to demonstrate it.
There are NO odds posted anywhere on any website that give the player the edge over the house.
That does not mean that folks can't win at Roulette on a spin, but the more Roulette is played the more the odds favor the casino.
If just one person can beat Roulette and pass that system/method on to others then Roulette will be thrown out of all casinos and mathematics will be proven wrong.
I put my trust in 200+ years of casinos making billions with their Roulette wheel and not someone who says they can beat Roulette but for a dozen reasons can't and won't prove their claims.....
You are realy TOTALY lost case. I regret my time for explaining you some things...
This thread should be locked from mods if you ask me.
"Yet may say it can be beaten - the proof is on them to demonstrate it."-- who the hell are you and why someone should prove you and show how wheel is beaing beat? ??? ? Dear Jesus....-
"There are NO odds posted anywhere on any website that give the player the edge over the house. " --advantage play gives you these odds
"If just one person can beat Roulette and pass that system/method on to others then Roulette will be thrown out of all casinos and mathematics will be proven wrong"--- wrong. The ones who can beat this game hold that as most secretly secret secret what is realy logical. And dont behave with that power like spoiled kids... And no one will give that just like that or even sold for all money of this world to some idiots like you are... I don't give a darn for insult, it is a fact. Even if you by some magic could have this power it is obviouslyyou are last person in the world should have it..
Go in the sand and build castles.. That never can fail. Or it can if sand is to dry? Lol?
Case closed. Over and out.
Regards
Drazen
Gizmo, very funny. ;D
guys like Maui and Garnabby demand that no-one be allowed to claim that they win, but they hope and believe it's possible. They just don't want to do the necessary work.
Someone on this forum said that we are all a bunch of nice guys - gentleman...I think we should act like it!
@ MauiSunset - take Gizmo's offer - let him show you what he can do, and you'll realize that you might have saved yourself a 1000 U$ embarrassment. Other than that, you have nothing to lose.
Regards,
M
i find its only the idiots that say you cant make money, they probably have never taken the time and patience to try and loose their money,
I dont claim to win every spin, but as we all know it cant be beaten 100 % of the time, and thats what people try to do, just try to use alot of strategies when you need to to increase your chances of winning,
so whoever says you cant make money on it, well go stick to the pokie machines or play ping pong ! cause it can be done !
Quote from: Bayes on Apr 23, 04:06 AM 2012
Gizmo, very funny. ;D
guys like Maui and Garnabby demand that no-one be allowed to claim that they win, but they hope and believe it's possible. They just don't want to do the necessary work.
Excatly like that. Once again sory for that word but we all know everyone could say that for that situation...
You couldnt say it better Bayes and we know that is like that so now i can't even wonder enough why i go into this...
Realy regret... :'(
Won't happen again. I am at least above that level.
Regards
Drazen
Drazen, i agree with u that this discussion is fruitless but i am not gonna lock it. Let's everyone speak his (her) mind, no harm is done. There are many fruitless discussions in forums. There are no rules forbidding it as long as no personal quarrels involved.
Happy talking!
;D
So that’s it?
All the challenger has to do is double a 100 unit bank in a 100 bet session?
What if the bank has doubled in 87 bets but then falls just short of double over the next 13 bets? >> That’s a bit stupid.
Anyway, this is a dangerous poker game you have set yourself MauiSunset, and I’m not surprised you have capped the contest at the pittance of $1000.
I know of a flat betting system that loses long term, but is ideally suited to your challenge. This system consistently doubles the bank within 100 spins on average 6 or 7 out of every 10 attempts, but loses miserably on the other 3 or 4 attempts. So as a poker player I have an edge over your range because there is at least a 60% chance that the bank will double within your 100 spin criteria.
I could take your challenge and in all likelihood be successful, but the system is a long term loser.
You are right about one thing, poker and roulette are worlds apart.
You’re challenge in its current format is flawed, and it is only the lowly $1000 on offer that has saved your bacon to date.
Like I said, I've heard dozen and dozen of excuses for not taking my challenge; you've read about another dozen more on this thread.
I think what scares the hell out of folks is the fact that their failure would be captured on video and played over and over again for years to come.
Anyway the May 2012 challenge opens in about 3 weeks - best of luck to anyone who enters - and I do mean that.....
Ha!
You don't play poker either. :thumbsup:
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 07:01 AM 2012
I think what scares the hell out of folks is the fact that their failure would be captured on video and played over and over again for years to come.
I think what scares the hell out of folks is that they don't trust MauiSunset as far as they can spit into the wind during a squall.
You take the $100 then either do a no show, or just refuse to pay up the grand when you lose.
In fact your website challenge is a classic scam in the making and I would like to know how many victims have already handed over the hundred bucks!
At this point it would probably be prudent for the admin here to take down any of your posts relating to this scam, along with your probably unapproved and rule breaking web links.
Quote from: Bayes on Apr 23, 04:06 AM 2012
guys like Maui and Garnabby demand that no-one be allowed to claim that they win, but they hope and believe it's possible. They just don't want to do the necessary work.
No, only that they have the decency to post up also their proof/evidence alongside their neverending "hints", scams, and other misinformation.
Quote from: Skakus on Apr 23, 07:15 AM 2012
I think what scares the hell out of folks is that they don't trust MauiSunset as far as they can spit into the wind during a squall.
You take the $100 then either do a no show, or just refuse to pay up the grand when you lose.
In fact your website challenge is a classic scam in the making and I would like to know how many victims have already handed over the hundred bucks!
At this point it would probably be prudent for the admin here to take down any of your posts relating to this scam, along with your probably unapproved and rule breaking web links.
Well, this is not a new excuse - I've heard it before.
I've looked and I'm the only person offering such a contest on the internet - if you guys have a problem with trusting me then create your own contest and do the same thing - in fact, I will be in the audience, rooting for the challenger too.
My whole contention is that the Roulette odds are 200+ years old and have not changed (some have slightly due to wacky casinos offering different versions of Roulette). These odds favor the casino and not the player and the reason Roulette has been in every casino in the world for 200 years and will be there 200 years from now.
I am constantly amazed how gamblers believe that the laws of mathematics don't pertain to them and that magic actually exists.
It doesn't mean you can't have fun playing Roulette and get paid by the casino in the forms of comps and you try to break even in the process. Then there is the matter of luck which is random and adds spice to Roulette......
Quote from: GARNabby on Apr 23, 07:37 AM 2012
No, only that they have the decency to post up also their proof/evidence alongside their neverending "hints", scams, and other misinformation.
I've given away every "secret" that I know of in my series of YouTube videos: link:://:.youtube.com/user/RouletteTruth (link:://:.youtube.com/user/RouletteTruth)
You simply play the odds and don't use a negative progression - that's how I play Roulette.
Maui, who in his right mind will need to prove you anything? What for? One who wins at roulette is not interested about advertising it. Except the book writers. But they don't need to prove anything as well, they are too well known anyway.
I don't get what u hope for when u r looking for grails here. The same story over and over again.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 08:09 AM 2012
I've given away every "secret" that I know of in my series of YouTube videos: link:://:.youtube.com/user/RouletteTruth (link:://:.youtube.com/user/RouletteTruth)
You simply play the odds and don't use a negative progression - that's how I play Roulette.
AND HOW DO YOU PLAY THE ODDS
? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US, BY THE WAY TAEKWONDO IS NOT A COMPMLETE MARTIAL ARTS,, pay me 100 an hour and will train you in the best mma i dont need to brag about my degrees call me.
oh ya taekwondo full of bullshit PATTERNS you better take up another martial arts you would get killed in a real fight BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PATTERNS in a real fight.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 23, 09:12 AM 2012
AND HOW DO YOU PLAY THE ODDS
? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN US, BY THE WAY TAEKWONDO IS NOT A COMPMLETE MARTIAL ARTS,, pay me 100 an hour and will train you in the best mma i don't need to brag about my degrees call me.
Personally I play the best odds - Even Chances, with my money and much higher odds with any winnings. I explain this in the videos. I bet the minimum bet with my money and the casino's money is always used on high risk bets with large returns.
I don't use negative progressions either - under no circumstances will I bet more than the minimum bet with my money.
That's all I do, anyone can do the same........
Quote from: warrior on Apr 23, 09:21 AM 2012
oh ya taekwondo full of B.S. PATTERNS you better take up another martial arts you would get killed in a real fight BECAUSE THERE ARE NO PATTERNS in a real fight.
Whatever floats your boat............
You have taught everyone here that roulette is random ,whats left to teach you have done your job.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 23, 09:38 AM 2012
You have taught everyone here that roulette is random ,what's left to teach you have done your job.
Just because it's totally random doesn't mean you can't have a fun time at the table and maximize your comps generated. The comps generated are not random, winnings are.
I play with black chips worth $100 each - I will many times have $500 on the table and the pit boss knows me by name in just a few minutes - I'm a serious player and I'm there all day. Sure I see Whales come up and put down the table limit of $3,000 but I've never seen them win their number. I just keep playing and playing and building comps.
That's how I play Roulette - try to break even with winnings and make my money on comps.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 10:01 AM 2012
I play with black chips worth $100 each - I will many times have $500 on the table and the pit boss knows me by name in just a few minutes - I'm a serious player and I'm there all day. Sure I see Whales come up and put down the table limit of $3,000 but I've never seen them win their number. I just keep playing and playing and building comps.
Sure you do. Playing for comps is a sucker bet. Anyway, prove it.
It's chump change to me. I win ten times my comp rate every time I go to the casino. The reason I was willing to demonstrate my techniques was not to prove it works but to better demonstrate that I can target opportunities in common randomness . In other words I think a demonstration has a quality to it that communicates well. I'm also good at illustrating segments of spin sequences that tend to be instructional. You know what I mean don't you. Something like a round house kick to the head. It gets your attention. In case you didn't get the memo,,
... in case you didn't get the memo. I'm explaining my techniques after five years of secrecy .
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 11:20 AM 2012
... in case you didn't get the memo. I'm explaining my techniques after five years of secrecy .
Gizmo, the last time I posted on your forum here you deleted all my posts.
That says volumes about your ability to defend and support you claims about "understanding randomness".
But if you want a lively debate, I'd be glad to participate - as long as you promise not to delete my posts.....
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 11:20 AM 2012
... in case you didn't get the memo. I'm explaining my techniques after five years of secrecy .
what memo?
Quote from: warrior on Apr 23, 11:43 AM 2012
what memo?
I have a thread running at the old VLS forum, "The Grail of Randomness."
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 11:45 AM 2012
I have a thread running at the old VLS forum, "The Grail of Randomness."
I believe I'm banned from that forum - I asked too many questions on sensitive topics.
If you want to reveal your secrets here or somewhere where I can post I'd be happy to throw in my 2 cents worth, if you care.....
I can't delete in this thread. Almost anyone can play to stay even with a
stack of chips, and playing the ECs. I do it all the time. It's a great way
to hold your seat at a table. It's no grand achievement. But there is a huge
contradiction here. According to you, you shouldn't be able to stay even.
Please explain.
back later... need to charge battery.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 11:52 AM 2012
I can't delete in this thread. Almost anyone can play to stay even with a
stack of chips, and playing the ECs. I do it all the time. It's a great way
to hold your seat at a table. It's no grand achievement. But there is a huge
contradiction here. According to you, you shouldn't be able to stay even.
Please explain.
back later... need to charge battery.
The odds ALWAYS favor the house - playing ECs or anything else on a Roulette table will eventually lead to the house winning. That's what mathematics tells us.
I just find that my comps more than makes up for the losses at the table....
There are two things the Roulette player most of the time does not have!!
Patience.
Discipline.
Without those two you just may get lucky.
Stuart
:.987power.com (link:://:.987power.com)
Huh what incredible farce all this . I congratulate you mauisunset and all actors including me... This farce can't be seen even on best broadway shows... I feel like I was provoked in Jerry Springer show...
I can't belive i accepted role in all this, although i knew excatly what and how it is going to be. I am very very shamed..
Logging out for quite some time now...
There has been many situations that some guy pulled the trigger and rafal of unnecessary and silly replys bursted out, but this is definitely top one as far as i am concerned...
INCREDIBLE!!!
Over and out
Drazen
Great thread guys!
The reason Einstein came up with his conclusion is because he played by the rules.
1. House imposed limit on maximum bet
2. Participants limited bankroll
3. The law infinite potential
Casino management knows that the standard deviations can vary greatly. For example red can show up 10, 20, or 30 times in a row. The law of infinite potential states a standard deviation can no longer exist and that red or black can go on forever. Since we live a finite life rule three can be eliminated. That leaves us rule 1 and 2. In live casino play most players cannot play a Martingale using an infinite bankroll, so rule #2 holds up in most cases. As a precaution casino's implement the icing on the cake and that is the maximum bet allowed.
:)
Quote from: drazen_cro on Apr 23, 12:38 PM 2012
Huh what incredible farce all this . I congratulate you mauisunset and all actors including me... This farce can't be seen even on best broadway shows... I feel like I was provoked in Jerry Springer show...
I can't belive i accepted role in all this, although i knew excatly what and how it is going to be. I am very very shamed..
Logging out for quite some time now...
There has been many situations that some guy pulled the trigger and rafal of unnecessary and silly replys bursted out, but this is definitely top one as far as i am concerned...
INCREDIBLE!!!
Over and out
Drazen
Believe it or not I get a lot of that - no challenge to the idea that the stated odds in Roulette never change under any circumstances and that all the huffing and puffing of many eventually die away to Mathematics cold odds.
That's what all Roulette systems are all about - trying to change the published mathematical odds - it can't be done. The best you can do is play the odds and don't do stupid things at the table.
ALL games in a casino are winner for the casino and the stated odds tell you how much you can expect to lose over a long period of time. I know that Blackjack has better odds than American Roulette and that Craps is even better but I like the laid back attitude at the Roulette table and the entertainment of watching folks lose their bankroll.
Beyond that there are no super secret ways to beat Roulette - none have been published in 200 years and none will be published in the next 200 years.
That's the truth folks - eventually you will believe me.......
:twisted:
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 12:57 PM 2012
Believe it or not I get a lot of that - no challenge to the idea that the stated odds in Roulette never change under any circumstances and that all the huffing and puffing of many eventually die away to Mathematics cold odds.
That's what all Roulette systems are all about - trying to change the published mathematical odds - it can't be done. The best you can do is play the odds and don't do silly things at the table.
ALL games in a casino are winner for the casino and the stated odds tell you how much you can expect to lose over a long period of time. I know that Blackjack has better odds than American Roulette and that Craps is even better but I like the laid back attitude at the Roulette table and the entertainment of watching folks lose their bankroll.
Beyond that there are no super secret ways to beat Roulette - none have been published in 200 years and none will be published in the next 200 years.
That's the truth folks - eventually you will believe me.......
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 11:48 AM 2012
If you want to reveal your secrets here or somewhere where I can post I'd be happy to throw in my 2 cents worth, if you care.....
First you must prove that you can discuss randomness.
What is a dominance?
What is a sleeping dozen?
What is a series of one, double, and triple?
What is a perfect pattern?
What is a "Global Effect?"
What does visual dexterity refer too?
I have already published regarding all these questions. You know where. Let's see if you can do basic data mining
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 01:26 PM 2012
First you must prove that you can discuss randomness.
What is a dominance?
What is a sleeping dozen?
What is a series of one, double, and triple?
What is a perfect pattern?
What is a "Global Effect?"
What does visual dexterity refer too?
I have already published regarding all these questions. You know where. Let's see if you can do basic data mining
Why on earth would I want to read total nonsense?
What you ask me to do is the same as reading everything about Alien Abductions - no proof exists that they exist either.
You need to start the ball rolling with a simple experiment - change the odds of Black or Red showing up in the next spin from 18 in 37 or 38 to something larger. What you claim is that you can get better odds by studying randomness.
My suggestion is for you to employee the Scientific Method here - a dumbed-down version, suitable for informal usage, can be found here: link:://:.sciencemadesimple.com/scientific_method.html (link:://:.sciencemadesimple.com/scientific_method.html)
What you are trying to prove is at the Nobel level of mathematics - a scientific approach will suit you better than a hodge-podge of definitions that lead nowhere.
Here are the published odds for Roulette: link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/ (link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/)
You claim to be able to change them - it should be easy to demonstrate the ability....
Debating with you would be the same as paying you $100 to learn my system at your scam website. You are truly known around here. You have proven why you should be banned here. Do you recall asking me to debate? I didn't know that that entailed halling you on my back too. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity . I won't waste my time dealing with a person that uses ignorance to make his point.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 01:57 PM 2012
Why on earth would I want to read total nonsense?
What you ask me to do is the same as reading everything about Alien Abductions - no proof exists that they exist either.
You need to start the ball rolling with a simple experiment - change the odds of Black or Red showing up in the next spin from 18 in 37 or 38 to something larger. What you claim is that you can get better odds by studying randomness.
My suggestion is for you to employee the Scientific Method here - a dumbed-down version, suitable for informal usage, can be found here: link:://:.sciencemadesimple.com/scientific_method.html (link:://:.sciencemadesimple.com/scientific_method.html)
What you are trying to prove is at the Nobel level of mathematics - a scientific approach will suite you better than a hodge-podge of definitions that lead nowhere.
Here are the published odds for Roulette: link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/ (link:://wizardofodds.com/games/roulette/)
You claim to be able to change them - it should be easy to demonstrate the ability....
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 02:17 PM 2012
Debating with you would be the same as paying you $100 to learn my system at your scam website. You are truly known around here. You have proven why you should be banned here. Do you recall asking me to debate? I didn't know that that entailed halling you on my back too. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity . I won't waste my time dealing with a person that uses ignorance to make his point.
OK, how many hours do you think I need to spend reading your posts?
Do you think I can read and understand them in 1 hour, or 10 hours, or 100 hours, or are 1,000 hours needed?
I am an Aerospace Engineer so I have little problem with math.
If your estimate is reasonable, I will read your posts........
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 02:24 PM 2012
OK, how many hours do you think I need to spend reading your posts?
Do you think I can read and understand them in 1 hour, or 10 hours, or 100 hours, or are 1,000 hours needed?
I am an Aerospace Engineer so I have little problem with math.
If your estimate is reasonable, I will read your posts........
--You shouldn't as it would be waste of time.Couple years back I did it all,
even made notes but there were so many contradictory statements that I
realised that Gizmo isn't what he claims to be.Empty talk without any proofs of his claims.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Jan 16, 05:53 AM 1970
I am an Aerospace Engineer so I have little problem with math.
I doubt that much Mr. renosaunce man. You ask me to demonstrate changing a mathematical constant. Just in case you don't know what your actual question really is. You want a comparison of probability and statistics . There won't be any prizes for that.
Let me guess. You got your education from a diploma mill.
At its least you are not in contact with your own head. You
are desperate to find a working system to beat Roulette. All
your moves telegraph that much. If you want this you will have
to work for it. I don't see anyone else around here complaining.
Quote from: vile on Apr 23, 02:38 PM 2012
--You shouldn't as it would be waste of time.Couple years back I did it all,
even made notes but there were so many contradictory statements that I
realised that Gizmo isn't what he claims to be.Empty talk without any proofs of his claims.
A few years ago I didn't explain anything. I reserve the right to explain this
my way. It took me more than 30 years to figure this out on my own. I protected
it. I now know from experience that most people will give up on my disclosings.
Today is not two years ago.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 02:24 PM 2012
OK, how many hours do you think I need to spend reading your posts?
Do you think I can read and understand them in 1 hour, or 10 hours, or 100 hours, or are 1,000 hours needed?
I am an Aerospace Engineer so I have little problem with math.
If your estimate is reasonable, I will read your posts........
So then you believe that physics can beat roulette.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 02:43 PM 2012
I doubt that much Mr. renosaunce man. You ask me to demonstrate changing a mathematical constant. Just in case you don't know what your actual question really is. You want a comparison of probability and statistics . There won't be any prizes for that.
Let me guess. You got your education from a diploma mill.
At its least you are not in contact with your own head. You
are desperate to find a working system to beat Roulette. All
your moves telegraph that much. If you want this you will have
to work for it. I don't see anyone else around here complaining.
Good grief I pity your "students".
The chance of Red or Black is 18/(38 lets just go with American wheels)=47.37% or the odds are 1 in 2.11 spins. That's just 5th grade math.
If you want to do better than that you must increase the odds - from 1 in 2.11 spins to 1 in 2 or 1 in 1.9 or 1.8 or whatever to do better. You will have to eliminate some of the 38 possible outcomes to increase the odds. How does one do this? I haven't a clue. Every one of those 38 slots has the same probability of being hit spin after spin after spin.
That's the problem with fixed odds - they can't change under any circumstances - at least in Roulette. If you talk about Blackjack then yes the odds increase slightly in your favor if you card count before a shuffle occurs - you can eliminate possible outcomes.
I still don't have an estimate as to how many hours I'm supposed to dedicate to your manifesto - I'm guessing hundreds and hundreds of hours are needed with countless questions needing answered....
Quote from: warrior on Apr 23, 03:13 PM 2012
So then you believe that physics can beat roulette.
I have no idea how you arrive at that conclusion from what I said.
I don't believe in Advantage Play at all - 200 years ago maybe the Roulette wheel might be out of balance but with space age cutting machines every Roulette wheel is perfectly balanced with no advantage to be found.
Same with the dealer spinning at variable rates to a constantly slowing Roulette wheel.
These are hundred year rumors still floating around - stand by a wheel and count spins and you increase your odds of winning - total bunk......
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 02:52 PM 2012
A few years ago I didn't explain anything. I reserve the right to explain this
my way. It took me more than 30 years to figure this out on my own. I protected
it. I now know from experience that most people will give up on my disclosings.
Today is not two years ago.
As an engineer I know that the more complicated something is the more it is prone to failure. If you can't explain your technique on one page of 8pt type then it's totally bogus - so complex that nothing can be gleamed from a success or failure of the system.
So let me state this - if your system/technique is larger than one typed page of 8pt type I have no desire to read it nor understand it since it's way way too complicated to ever work...
E=MC^2 is the culmination of 20 years work by a genius - that's easy to grasp even by little kids...
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 03:21 PM 2012
I still don't have an estimate as to how many hours I'm supposed to dedicate to your manifesto - I'm guessing hundreds and hundreds of hours are needed with countless questions needing answered....
It's already pretty much done. Others have it. Once they gain the needed experience
perhaps one of them will feel sorry for you, hold your hand, and bottle feed you.
I may have been wrong about you. You might not be ignorant. What makes you
think that I want to drag a person like you to prosperity? You deserve the worst
possible treatment from just about everyone on this forum. Go ahead. Start a new
chapter for the math Nazis. Complain all you want. Jeez - the people they'll give a
degree to these days.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 03:47 PM 2012
It's already pretty much done. Others have it. Once they gain the needed experience
perhaps one of them will feel sorry for you, hold your hand, and bottle feed you.
I may have been wrong about you. You might not be ignorant. What makes you
think that I want to drag a person like you to prosperity? You deserve the worst
possible treatment from just about everyone on this forum. Go ahead. Start a new
chapter for the math Nazis. Complain all you want. Jeez - the people they'll give a
degree to these days.
Somehow I think I'm the least of your problems.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 03:21 PM 2012
Good grief I pity your "students".
The chance of Red or Black is 18/(38 lets just go with American wheels)=47.37% or the odds are 1 in 2.11 spins. That's just 5th grade math.
If you want to do better than that you must increase the odds - from 1 in 2.11 spins to 1 in 2 or 1 in 1.9 or 1.8 or whatever to do better. You will have to eliminate some of the 38 possible outcomes to increase the odds. How does one do this? I haven't a clue. Every one of those 38 slots has the same probability of being hit spin after spin after spin.
That's the problem with fixed odds - they can't change under any circumstances - at least in Roulette.
there are easy ways to increase the odds.
i will charge you 100â,¬ to show you how you increase from 1 in 2.11 to 1 in 2. And no tricks attached, no no zero roulette. i mean on a B&M casino, live wheal with dealer and all...
if you want, i am at your disposal.
PS-Everyone committed to roulette knows this.
Quote from: albertojonas on Apr 23, 03:49 PM 2012
there are easy ways to increase the odds.
i will charge you 100â,¬ to show you how you increase from 1 in 2.11 to 1 in 2. And no tricks attached, no no zero roulette. i mean on a B&M casino, live wheal with dealer and all...
if you want, i am at your disposal.
PS-Everyone committed to roulette knows this.
Well sure, put a single chip on 0 and 00 I'm guessing.
But you've now got multiple odds that actually decrease your total overall odds.
It's the same as the clowns who wait for the ball to be spun before they pile on dozens of numbers, columns, dozens and rows - give them 30 minutes and they are totally wiped out.
Piling on multiple bets is no solution or it would bankrupt the casino.
I routinely take my winnings, if I have any at the moment, and use different systems with much higher odds of losing but have a higher payout. But I only do this with casino money. I could never bet on Red and 0 at the same time with my money - that's a loser of a bet.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 03:35 PM 2012
So let me state this - if your system/technique is larger than one typed page of 8pt type I have no desire to read it nor understand it since it's way way too complicated to ever work...
Deliberately target the most opportunistic trend with a Boolean Principle as the result. Act on the result.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 04:01 PM 2012
Deliberately target the most opportunistic trend with a Boolean Principle as the result. Act on the result.
There is no such thing as an "opportunistic trend" in Roulette and using Boolean Algebra on this nonsense is as likely to help you as using a Fourier Transform to convert the spun numbers into a hologram.
Maybe using math Gobbledygook fools some of your students, it doesn't fool me; it's still Gobbledygook. You make up definitions of things that don't exist and build system from them - they won't work no matter how much Gobbledygook you use.
Total rubbish..........
So you bet red or black and hope you win ,correct Charlie
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaXAymwbuUM# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaXAymwbuUM#)
It is obvious you don't debate very well. You are ignorant of the existence of an most opportunistic trend. As far as a Boolean Principle the most basic form applies here. "And," "Or," or "And/Or" are all in that category . Guess what form applies. Don't bother. You are too set in your ways. All the proof I need will be in the other people that are not too ignorant to find out what works. At this point you have pretty much all the attention needed to see your value on this forum.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 04:12 PM 2012
There is no such thing as an "opportunistic trend" in Roulette and using Boolean Algebra on this nonsense is as likely to help you as using a Fourier Transform to convert the spun numbers into a hologram.
Maybe using math Gobbledygook fools some of your students, it doesn't fool me; it's still Gobbledygook. You make up definitions of things that don't exist and build system from them - they won't work no matter how much Gobbledygook you use.
Total nonsense..........
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Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 04:51 PM 2012
It is obvious you don't debate very well. You are ignorant of the existence of an most opportunistic trend. As far as a Boolean Principle the most basic form applies here. "And," "Or," or "And/Or" are all in that category . Guess what form applies. Don't bother. You are too set in your ways. All the proof I need will be in the other people that are not too ignorant to find out what works. At this point you have pretty much all the attention needed to see your value on this forum.
Gizmo, I guess you can't state your theory on one sheet of paper and I don't have any idea how much time you expect me to make heads or tails out of your work.
Nothing has changed in one year - wacky ideas with no tie back to reality.
Maybe someone else here has a dying urge to understanding your Roulette Manifesto but count me out of the madness.
Best of luck with your theories......
Skakus, those are two of the funniest videos ever. What a wonderful world..
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 04:00 PM 2012
Well sure, put a single chip on 0 and 00 I'm guessing.
But you've now got multiple odds that actually decrease your total overall odds.
It's the same as the clowns who wait for the ball to be spun before they pile on dozens of numbers, columns, dozens and rows - give them 30 minutes and they are totally wiped out.
Piling on multiple bets is no solution or it would bankrupt the casino.
I routinely take my winnings, if I have any at the moment, and use different systems with much higher odds of losing but have a higher payout. But I only do this with casino money. I could never bet on Red and 0 at the same time with my money - that's a loser of a bet.....
those are the solutions you tried.
no way!
there are ways. without gymnics.
wanna pay?
O0
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 23, 04:01 PM 2012
Deliberately target the most opportunistic trend with a Boolean Principle as the result. Act on the result.
i would add that if you build a set of decision problems that may be solved in polynomial time, on a non-deterministic Turing machine, you would find yourself betting accordingly to what happens.
In a deterministic Turing machine, the set of rules prescribes at most one action to be performed for any given situation.It just takes time to sink in and to master. After that is all profit.Open your mind.
you can go wiki if you do not believe me. :thumbsup:
Guys it's real simple - prove to the world you can beat Roulette by taking my challenge and make $1,000 for your trouble.
Or you can snicker with each other and pretend you have broken Roulette; or even more silly pretend that secret gurus roam the casinos beating Roulette and you know they will never surface and prove their prowess at Roulette.
Right.
Me, I know Roulette can't be beaten - not for the last 200 years and not for another 200 years. But I wish anyone taking my challenge the best of luck....
Truth is the big winners are not at the forums (or they once were *Mr. J for example but now have the Grail(s) and moved on.
I saw Steve post on this thread maybe he can give some sage advice.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 23, 10:59 PM 2012
Guys it's real simple - prove to the world you can beat Roulette by taking my challenge and make $1,000 for your trouble.
Or you can snicker with each other and pretend you have broken Roulette; or even more silly pretend that secret gurus roam the casinos beating Roulette and you know they will never surface and prove their prowess at Roulette.
Right.
Me, I know Roulette can't be beaten - not for the last 200 years and not for another 200 years. But I wish anyone taking my challenge the best of luck....
This challenge promotion has nothing to do with roulette. It is all about MS promoting his website for a big ego boost, and perhaps some resale value down the track.
k.
Quote from: Skakus on Apr 24, 12:27 AM 2012
This challenge promotion has nothing to do with roulette. It is all about MS promoting his website for a big ego boost, and perhaps some resale value down the track.
k.
You guys sound like clucking hens - cluck . cluck . cluck.
You make up all the excuses you want - you know that you can't beat Roulette - it's mathematically impossible.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 24, 12:33 AM 2012
you know that you can't beat Roulette - it's mathematically impossible.....
So don't use mathematics to beat it. That's your problem.
... Other than your endless chanting of your mantra.
EMS
My own personal experience is that roulette is relatively easy to beat. I do it all the time with great confidence.
Believe it or not when I first took up roulette I studied the game for several years before placing 1 single real money bet.
I must have spent over 1500 hours researching the game before my first casino visit, which beforehand I had never set foot in a casino.
At that point I justified commencing with a substantial bankroll because I put a value on the time spent studying and settled on $35 an hour.
1500 x 35 = $52,500. I split that into 3 working banks = $17,500 each.
I played for the first 8 months 3 days a week without a single loss! We’re talking Mr J style winnings! Back then I was using a set of all conquering progressions each with a tiny mathematical failure rate. They served me well.
The more I played the more I delved and eventually the more expanded my knowledge became.
Suffice to say, I have moved on from my original progressive game play but not before tripling the first $17,500 bankroll, which was eventually peppered with several bust outs.
Nowadays I can afford to play under the radar, which I believe is a most important aspect to successful casino gambling. By under the radar I mean not having any great urgency or requirement to capitalize on any acquired roulette skills.
In fact I am in agreement with MS that the comps are a major part of the entertainment value of casino gambling.
Good luck with your challenge MauiSunset, though I won’t be taking it.
Gizmotron is right >> attack when opportunity presents.
Spike is right >> never wise up a chump. (the MauiSunsets of this world).
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 24, 12:33 AM 2012
you know that you can't beat Roulette - it's mathematically impossible.....
We know we cannot beat LOTTO, it's mathematically impossible, yet people buy 1 ticket and win!
:twisted:
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 24, 03:46 AM 2012
We know we cannot beat LOTTO, it's mathematically impossible, yet people buy 1 ticket and win!
:twisted:
It's called luck - that's exactly why I play. I have no idea what the wheel will spin out for me while at the table and the chance of winning 35 times my bet is the decision I make all the time - do I take my winnings home (if there are any) or do I use the casino's money and try for 35 times what's in my hand?
As long as folks are aware that the best they can do over a long period of time is to break even if they play very very smartly then I've accomplished my mission and my good deed for the year.
To those who brag about making all kinds of money, both you and I know you are playing out a fantasy and if that makes you feel happy then I am happy for you - just don't try to convince others you are a fearless gambler.
I smile all the time, while at the table, watching sucker after sucker use stupid gambling ideas and lose their entire bankroll. But, they seem to enjoy it since I normally see them back later losing even more money.
If what you do makes you happy then that big smile on my face is for you...............
Quote from: Skakus on Apr 24, 01:18 AM 2012
My own personal experience is that roulette is relatively easy to beat. I do it all the time with great confidence.
Believe it or not when I first took up roulette I studied the game for several years before placing 1 single real money bet.
I must have spent over 1500 hours researching the game before my first casino visit, which beforehand I had never set foot in a casino.
At that point I justified commencing with a substantial bankroll because I put a value on the time spent studying and settled on $35 an hour.
1500 x 35 = $52,500. I split that into 3 working banks = $17,500 each.
I played for the first 8 months 3 days a week without a single loss! We’re talking Mr J style winnings! Back then I was using a set of all conquering progressions each with a tiny mathematical failure rate. They served me well.
The more I played the more I delved and eventually the more expanded my knowledge became.
Suffice to say, I have moved on from my original progressive game play but not before tripling the first $17,500 bankroll, which was eventually peppered with several bust outs.
Nowadays I can afford to play under the radar, which I believe is a most important aspect to successful casino gambling. By under the radar I mean not having any great urgency or requirement to capitalize on any acquired roulette skills.
In fact I am in agreement with MS that the comps are a major part of the entertainment value of casino gambling.
Good luck with your challenge MauiSunset, though I won’t be taking it.
Gizmotron is right >> attack when opportunity presents.
Spike is right >> never wise up a chump. (the MauiSunsets of this world).
Sounds like it should be a snap to win the $1,000 prize - registration opens in about 3 weeks after my spring trip to Vegas.
Can't wait......
i am preparing my first casino visit. ^-^ And i am feeling confident.
Quote from: albertojonas on Apr 24, 08:54 AM 2012
i am preparing my first casino visit. ^-^ And i am feeling confident.
Best of luck.
I suggest you get rated at your table by getting a Rewards card from the casino and turn it in when you throw down your money for a color. You will be surprised just how fast you start to get comps that will eventually make your visits totally free except for transportation.
MS -" It's all about statistics and luck....."
Regarding that Boolean Principle, did the bet selection work or not? The why
doesn't matter. You can use any bet selection process you want to. All that
matters is the "A" or "B" result. Now even the dumbest tool in the box knows
when you get a streak of "A's." The only cause for a win streak being nothing
more than luck. Knowing what to do in a win streak is not luck, but don't tell
MauiSunset. You can use any bet selection method you want, short of a
progression, to find win streaks. Now let's watch mauiSunset claim that
win streaks don't exist.
To those who brag about making all kinds of money, both you and I know you are playing out a fantasy and if that makes you feel happy then I am happy for you - just don't try to convince others you are a fearless gambler.
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--You are talking fantasy my friend.Just attached 100 spins of usual Wiesbaden session to show you how to win......EACH SESSION.....and if you doubt this you can take me on
for any amount you wish.Send any actuals and those all will be winners.
btw--even write W/L and both bets am applaying in my strategy,but you nor anybody could grasp it....100 spins with 5 zeros and more then 10%winnings on actual 100 spins.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 24, 11:16 AM 2012
MS -" It's all about statistics and luck....."
Regarding that Boolean Principle, did the bet selection work or not? The why
doesn't matter. You can use any bet selection process you want to. All that
matters is the "A" or "B" result. Now even the dumbest tool in the box knows
when you get a streak of "A's." The only cause for a win streak being nothing
more than luck. Knowing what to do in a win streak is not luck, but don't tell
MauiSunset. You can use any bet selection method you want, short of a
progression, to find win streaks. Now let's watch mauiSunset claim that
win streaks don't exist.
Winning streaks are in the mind of the beholder - fellow gamblers at the table lost while you won; big deal.
You can use any bet selection system you want - it doesn't matter - that system will have "streaks" of winning and losing with the long term outcome just the odds of the bet.
If you want to bet the last color or column or dozen go right ahead since it doesn't matter in the long run. If you want to use my random number generator trick of looking at your watch and if you see an even second displayed you bet even, or red, or low and the opposite for an odd second - it doesn't matter since it too will have "streaks" of winning and losing.
The last number spun has NO bearing on the next number to be spun. If you believe otherwise you stand alone - not one person on earth can corroborate the insane idea.
Hope that answers your question.....
Quote from: vile on Apr 24, 11:18 AM 2012
To those who brag about making all kinds of money, both you and I know you are playing out a fantasy and if that makes you feel happy then I am happy for you - just don't try to convince others you are a fearless gambler.
--You are talking fantasy my friend.Just attached 100 spins of usual Wiesbaden session to show you how to win......EACH SESSION.....and if you doubt this you can take me on
for any amount you wish.Send any actuals and those all will be winners.
by the way--even write W/L and both bets am applaying in my strategy,but you nor anybody could grasp it....100 spins with 5 zeros and more then 10%winnings on actual 100 spins.
I suggest you sign up for my $1,000 challenge in 3 weeks and show the world, and teach me a lesson - live at a Webinar in front of hundreds of folks and the taped Webinar will be available for decades viewable by tens of thousands of folks. Become immortal.
Hope you sign up......
Save... Nice going. You are a trend. Bet on it.
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 24, 11:25 AM 2012
Winning streaks are in the mind of the beholder - fellow gamblers at the table lost while you won; big deal.
You can use any bet selection system you want - it doesn't matter - that system will have "streaks" of winning and losing with the long term outcome just the odds of the bet.
If you want to bet the last color or column or dozen go right ahead since it doesn't matter in the long run. If you want to use my random number generator trick of looking at your watch and if you see an even second displayed you bet even, or red, or low and the opposite for an odd second - it doesn't matter since it too will have "streaks" of winning and losing.
The last number spun has NO bearing on the next number to be spun. If you believe otherwise you stand alone - not one person on earth can corroborate the insane idea.
Hope that answers your question.....
@ MauiSunset,
What exactly are the conditions attached to this challenge? I read something about doubling your bankroll in 100 spins, but that sounds a bit vague.
Quote from: Bayes on Apr 24, 11:49 AM 2012
@ MauiSunset,
What exactly are the conditions attached to this challenge? I read something about doubling your bankroll in 100 spins, but that sounds a bit vague.
You have to pay him $100 for the privilege of teaching him how to win consistently.
Quote from: Bayes on Apr 24, 11:49 AM 2012
@ MauiSunset,
What exactly are the conditions attached to this challenge? I read something about doubling your bankroll in 100 spins, but that sounds a bit vague.
You can start here:
Roulette Truth #2 $1,000 Roulette Contest (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=H1fH_b_kK7g#ws)
My lawyer is reviewing the rules now and they will be slightly tweaked, to keep him happy, and the May contest will have the final rules which the contestant must agree to.
Basically:
Bankroll of 100 times minimum bet
100 consecutive spins must be bet upon
If the contestant runs out of money and can't finish the 100th minimum bet he loses
The contestant wins if his ending bankroll has 200 or more minimum bets
I make all bets and follow the system/program the contestant uses and will spend up to 5 hours of my time learning the system and up to 5 hours of actual play and debriefing to the audience.
If the person wins I instantly deposit $1,000 USD into their PayPal account which they must have since their name on that account will be the name posted as the contestant and it will be verified. A 1099 form will be sent to the winner for income tax purposes. (Don't know about overseas taxes)
The entrance fee is $100 USD to compensate me for my time, Webinar expertise and promotional expenses since I will be spending quite a bit advertising with event on Google Adwords.
I plan on one contest per month until no further interest is shown by contestants....
I just sent him 100 spins each one worth 100 bucks..thats my entry
if you happen to grasp it,and my gift to you.Don't wish imortality just
dough on each visit.
Quote from: vile on Apr 24, 12:07 PM 2012
I just sent him 100 spins each one worth 100 bucks..that's my entry
if you happen to grasp it,and my gift to you.Don't wish imortality just
dough on each visit.
Sorry, I only use PayPal - I don't think they take Excel spreadsheets as payment for anything.
Now if you have a cow or a horse as trade them maybe we can arrange something.....
" I am an Aerospace Engineer" No frigging way. This guy is some kid in his grandmother's basement .
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 24, 12:04 PM 2012
You can start here:
Roulette Truth #2 $1,000 Roulette Contest (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=H1fH_b_kK7g#ws)
My lawyer is reviewing the rules now and they will be slightly tweaked, to keep him happy, and the May contest will have the final rules which the contestant must agree to.
Basically:
Bankroll of 100 times minimum bet
100 consecutive spins must be bet upon
If the contestant runs out of money and can't finish the 100th minimum bet he loses
The contestant wins if his ending bankroll has 200 or more minimum bets
I make all bets and follow the system/program the contestant uses and will spend up to 5 hours of my time learning the system and up to 5 hours of actual play and debriefing to the audience.
If the person wins I instantly deposit $1,000 USD into their PayPal account which they must have since their name on that account will be the name posted as the contestant and it will be verified. A 1099 form will be sent to the winner for income tax purposes. (Don't know about overseas taxes)
The entrance fee is $100 USD to compensate me for my time, Webinar expertise and promotional expenses since I will be spending quite a bit advertising with event on Google Adwords.
I plan on one contest per month until no further interest is shown by contestants....
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 24, 12:14 PM 2012
" I am an Aerospace Engineer" No frigging way. This guy is some kid in his grandmother's basement .
Hope you sign up for my contest, really I can't wait..............
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 24, 12:14 PM 2012
" I am an Aerospace Engineer" No frigging way. This guy is some kid in his grandmother's basement .
Now that's funnY :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 24, 12:16 PM 2012
Hope you sign up for my contest, really I can't wait..............
EMS
As far as I know I have the only independent Roulette challenge out there - I don't sell anything and I don't even advertise on the website.
You guys can huff and puff but I giggle when I hear all the excuses from folks claiming to be "gamblers".
Be the first to become immortal in the world of Roulette - a chance to have an independent website verify your system and a live session of it working.
Honestly I don't know why any of you would pass up $1,000........
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 24, 12:13 PM 2012
Sorry, I only use PayPal - I don't think they take Excel spreadsheets as payment for anything.
Now if you have a cow or a horse as trade them maybe we can arrange something.....
--
You should be taking that excel spreadsheet under your pillow each night
and try to decipher it with your briliant mind/contest????/then you wouldn't be needing
going through this scam of yours.Cow gives lot of milk and the horse is with 5 legs and
am keeping it as rarity...sorry no buss.with you.
Quote from: vile on Apr 24, 12:38 PM 2012
--You should be taking that excel spreadsheet under your pillow each night
and try to decipher it with your briliant mind/contest? ??? /then you wouldn't be needing
going through this scam of yours.Cow gives lot of milk and the horse is with 5 legs and
am keeping it as rarity...sorry no buss.with you.
Just another creative excuse......
I forgot an important part of the challenge - I sign a Nondisclosure Agreement and can't tell even my wife how your system works, unless you don't care - that's up to you....
i,m just trying warriors as well as my own systems on a free £25 CHIP...on caesars casino its rng and unbelievably i won..playthrough was once...yes once...just drawing 100 out and lets see if it goes through...it was rng but even when i was down to my last 10p i came back again...only used the casino for the free offer ..just had to ask for it at live chat .....had to verify my account..but put wrong 3 number id on back of card as instructed by online chat operator...let u know if i get it...
and just to add this i used this progression
stake spin result running balance
2 loss - 2
4 loss -6
8 loss -14
16 loss -30
32 loss -62
64 loss -126
128 win -62
128 win +2
128 win +66
from this link
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Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 24, 12:30 PM 2012
Honestly I don't know why any of you would pass up $1,000........
It's only $900 after costs.
You will lose your money eventually, and probably well before you collect $1000 in entry fees.
The odds are against you.
I am very new what is RNG? I lost a lot money I want it back could any one teach me.
many thanks
Quote from: Skakus on Apr 24, 05:39 PM 2012
The odds are against you.
My quick-mental estimate would have the bettor five times more likely to loss all than to double up.
Quote from: Skakus on Apr 24, 05:39 PM 2012
It's only $900 after costs.
You will lose your money eventually, and probably well before you collect $1000 in entry fees.
The odds are against you.
Are you kidding me?
If someone does have some super-secret system/program/method that should actually work I will offer the person $1,000 immediately and not hold the Webinar - unless they have a burning desire to take a huge risk and have lady luck possibly kick them in the guts in front of an audience.
My desire is to pay $1,000 for any system that should actually work and give the person credit on the website. My other desire is to have some loudmouth fail in front of the world and I get to run it over and over again for decades.
I win either way.
However I'm putting the odds of an actual winning system at 1 in 1,000 but I won't know until I hold the competition.....
Why does the contestant have to double their bank and have to bet every spin, with these rules it seems as if you are setting people up to fail so you can just collect $100 from each dummy that enters your competition
Quote from: Big EZ on Apr 24, 08:22 PM 2012
Why does the contestant have to double their bank and have to bet every spin, with these rules it seems as if you are setting people up to fail so you can just collect $100 from each dummy that enters your competition
That's my definition of "Breaking Roulette".
A person wanting to compete knows very well if they can do this or not. If they don't then $100 is a small price to pay for being a dimwit.
If there is another definition of "Breaking Roulette" please supply a link and I'll consider it.
I know that if I stood an excellent chance of doubling my money every 100 spins I'd definitely consider it as something that falls into the OMG category.
Also, taking everyone of those 100 spins is important - some clown will want me to wait until 37 or 38 spins go by and then place a bet and then wait another 37/38 spins for the next bet. Additionally there are no "triggers" like waiting for Red to show up 23 times in a row before betting starts.
But if anyone has a better idea or definition of "Breaking Roulette" I'm all ears.....
I think if you make it more realistic you might have more participation. What I mean by this is, let's say you have more flexible rules. Bet at least 60% of the spins or something like that and be able to produce 50% profits of the startup bank.
Think about it logically, if someone out there could do this consistently why would they need to show you. they would be making more then $1000 per day from the casino.
Your going to have to offer more money for a prize or change the rules to get people to take you up on this offer.
Just my 2 cents
A person could easily win your contest with 1 lucky session and you will have to pay $1000 for a losing system. ;D
I hope it happens. :thumbsup:
Maui could go bankrupt like this. Those things happen frequently. Just put all your bankroll on red and if it wins, u also win 1000 bucks. Your bankroll could be 5 bucks, 50 units of 10 c in playtech or
smartlive casino.
As an engineer I know that the 80/20 rules the universe. I believe I've set up a contest that get's 80% of the way towards a realistic contest with the remaining 20% consuming just as much resources as the 80%.
I'll let the lawyer send me 10 pages of warnings and make adjustments and I'm off to my first contest at the end of May, 2012. June may have an entirely different contest - who knows....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 24, 11:33 PM 2012
As an engineer I know that the 80/20 rules the universe. I believe I've set up a contest that get's 80% of the way towards a realistic contest with the remaining 20% consuming just as much resources as the 80%.
Is this a zero energy universe we're talking about?
Quote from: Skakus on Apr 24, 11:36 PM 2012
Is this a zero energy universe we're talking about?
Well I do believe in the electric model of the universe versus the insane gravity model that requires dark matter, black holes, expanding universes, dark energy and zillions of subatomic particles.
Plasma makes the universe work and not gravity. But that's just my belief that the simpler something is the better it works and that's how nature works.... link:://:.electricuniverse.info/Introduction (link:://:.electricuniverse.info/Introduction)
Yes, all slightly more fascinating than roulette.
QuoteThat's my definition of "Breaking Roulette".
And you are an authority on the subject?
I agree with the others, your rules are too tight your intention is really to see if it is possible to win and you are prepared to pay $1000 for it, have you had any mugs sign up yet?
I have a method in a bot that doubled my bank in 3 days, it died the next day :twisted: but I only run 40 euro playing banks so am still ahead, to state someone must double within a set amount of spins is near impossible, good luck with the mug hunt.
QuoteI'm all ears.....
Nah, with all due respect, you're something else.....
i agree, Maui is going in a wrong direction. If he wants to troll and bother quite a few people with his stubborness on the subject then he is doing allright though. But if his goal is to learn how to defeat roulette on a long run he is just doing very much the opposite.
1000 bucks is not much for a person who knows how to defeat roulette and does not want publicity about it.
on the other hand such a person could help for free someone who is nice, modest and really willing to learn. But who wants to help someone who thinks he knows better than others and brags about his degrees and knowledge?
Quote from: iggiv on Apr 24, 10:40 PM 2012
Just put all your bankroll on red and if it wins, u also win 1000 bucks.
Well, yes, if you're allowed to bet from 1 to 100 units: bet 100, then something like 50, then 1 on the remainder of bets once up 250, which will come in at 1/3 rd of the time, rather than 1/6 th of the time.
P.S. Don't send any money until a winner is determined... like he/she won't send it to you unless you win.
I think I've established a reasonable definition of "breaking Roulette" since no one can supply a generally accepted definition - mine is the first. (That should be a red flag to all of you that think you hold the key to breaking Roulette - no one has defined what "breaking Roulette" actually means)
I realize many will need an excuse not to enter the contest and this is as good a one as possible; I've heard dozens of them.
If something has truly "broken Roulette" doubling the bankroll in 100 spins seems to be a mild definition of something that is mathematically impossible and will be awarded the Nobel Prize for Mathematics worth $1 Million. I'm guessing that folks who think they have "broken Roulette" double their bankroll in 10 spins with no problem; maybe in 2 spins or even 1.
Like I said, it's a start in defining something that in reality isn't happening except in the confused minds of mentally challenged persons anyway.
Just remember, you who say you are "breaking Roulette" are changing the fixed odds that any kid can calculate and have not changed in 200 years and won't change for 200 more years. For Red the odds are 18 Reds out of 37 or 38 possible choices (48.65% or 47.37%) and you claim you can change those odds - this I've got to see and offering $1,000 is worth the entertainment value to me....
P.S. Just like folks love to watch car crashes and screw up traffic I'm hoping the same thing happens on my website - watching a person bragging about doing something mathematically impossible and failing miserably in the process - hopefully that train-wreck will go viral on the internet...
:yawn:
Maui,
I'm guessing no-one will take up your challenge, in which case you'll be even more convinced that the seekers are mentally challenged and those who make claims are liars or scammers. The challenge has so many holes in it I don't even know where to start, although others have pointed out most of them.
The fact that you even suggest that someone could consistently double their bankroll in 100 spins, time after time, shows how utterly clueless you are. Your definition of what it means to "break roulette" is pure fantasy. Having done that you then attribute that view to us and dismiss those who decline to accept the challenge as making excuses. All you've done is misrepresent the views of those who claim to win; a classic straw man.
On average, it takes me around 2500 bets (not spins) to double my bank (and I'm playing a "fair" game - no zeros).
By the way, thanks for the link on the electric universe stuff, very interesting. :)
Quote from: Bayes on Apr 25, 07:28 AM 2012
Maui,
I'm guessing no-one will take up your challenge, in which case you'll be even more convinced that the seekers are mentally challenged and those who make claims are liars or scammers. The challenge has so many holes in it I don't even know where to start, although others have pointed out most of them.
The fact that you even suggest that someone could consistently double their bankroll in 100 spins, time after time, shows how utterly clueless you are. Your definition of what it means to "break roulette" is pure fantasy. Having done that you then attribute that view to us and dismiss those who decline to accept the challenge as making excuses. All you've done is misrepresent the views of those who claim to win; a classic straw man.
On average, it takes me around 2500 bets (not spins) to double my bank (and I'm playing a "fair" game - no zeros).
By the way, thanks for the link on the electric universe stuff, very interesting. :)
I have no doubt that folks "luck out" and come away from the table with profits - I do it sometimes too. However, over a long period of time, like 2,500 bets, the odds will be predominant and NOT luck either good luck or bad luck.
I have no doubt that I will have someone who will accept the challenge and I believe that even if luck is with them and they do double their BR in 100 spins the $1,000 will be well spent - others will then think it's easy and I will have a steady supply of challengers, who will eventually follow the odds and lose the challenge and we can all watch train wrecks of Roulette. (I like that title "Train Wrecks of Roulette")
I'm excited to be the first to do this - hopefully it will make folks wake up and realize that folks claiming to "beat roulette" can't change those odds.
But who knows, maybe a space alien likes Roulette and beating Roulette is no big deal on his home planet and he will share it with me.
Live long and prosper.............
Quote from: Bayes on Apr 25, 07:28 AM 2012
By the way, thanks for the link on the electric universe stuff, very interesting. :)
Yep, bet part of this thread.
Here is an interesting lecture on the zero energy universe.
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaGktVQdNg&feature=related# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaGktVQdNg&feature=related#)
:yawn:
Science is so entangled in politics that it barely works anymore.
Everything in science and math must be challenged all the time - if something is legitimate it will easily fend off all challenges; the more challenges deflected the more confidence we can have in the theory.
In Roulette, all the odds can be calculated with simple arithmetic that has withstood the challenges of thousands of years at attacks. 2 + 2 is 4 and 18 reds on a Roulette wheel of 38 slots (American wheel) is 18/38 or 47.37% of the wheel is Red.
You can't change those odds unless you eliminate some of the non Red slots which the casino would frown upon.
This goes the same for ALL odds at a Roulette table - they never change - ever.
There is NO way to play Roulette so that the odds favor the player - no money management technique can change the underlying odds which favor the casino.
Like I said, if you can change the Roulette odds in your favor you need to send your theories to a scientific paper for credit and you will be awarded the Nobel Prize for Mathematics - worth over $1,000,000 dollars. That's how monumental beating Roulette is.
Somehow I don't think this is going to happen - the odds favor the casino and you may luck out in the short run but eventually the odds will be predominant the more you play - you will give back all your winnings and more.
Casino Comps, on the other hand, are not subject to the laws of probability - you get free drinks, hotel rooms, buffets, dinners, limos to and from the airport, greens' fees, golf clubs and bags, tokens to gamble with, and lots of other stuff that costs thousands of dollars.
If you want to make money gambling then gamble on the stock market - much better odds...
Quote from: Skakus on Apr 25, 09:21 AM 2012
Yep, bet part of this thread.
Here is an interesting lecture on the zero energy universe.
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaGktVQdNg&feature=related# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaGktVQdNg&feature=related#)
If you believe in the electric model of the universe then the following is true:
"The net sum of the universe is 0".
I've believed in this since I was in college, either you believe that a supreme being magically created all there is or everything nets out to zero.
Evil oil speculators, which I am one of (I trade oil futures) know that the net sum of all oil future contracts is zero; for every winner there is a loser and hence no "evil oil speculators" since half of them lost as much money as the half that won. Yet oil speculators exist even though their net contribution is zero.
Many people believe that Roulette is a "50/50" game if you play Red/Black - that you can willy-nilly pick a color and at the end of the night you should be close to breaking even - nothing could be further from the truth. You have to be disciplined and follow common sense which 95% of Roulette gamblers just don't have.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 25, 09:57 AM 2012
If you believe in the electric model of the universe then the following is true:
"The net sum of the universe is 0".
I've believed in this since I was in college, either you believe that a supreme being magically created all there is or everything nets out to zero.
Evil oil speculators, which I am one of (I trade oil futures) know that the net sum of all oil future contracts is zero; for every winner there is a loser and hence no "evil oil speculators" since half of them lost as much money as the half that won. Yet oil speculators exist even though their net contribution is zero.
Many people believe that Roulette is a "50/50" game if you play Red/Black - that you can willy-nilly pick a color and at the end of the night you should be close to breaking even - nothing could be further from the truth. You have to be disciplined and follow common sense which 95% of Roulette gamblers just don't have.....
You are a very closed minded individual.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 25, 10:23 AM 2012
You are a very closed minded individual.
That's in the eye of the beholder, like beauty.
I marvel how similar typing in "Roulette systems" and the contents of my spam folder. I seldom check the spam folder except when someone says they sent me something and I never got the eMail. I marvel at how many Roulette systems claim to make my wallet bigger and how many spam eMails claim to make other parts of me bigger too......
link:://asderathoslchaimclassicalliberalism.blogspot.com/2010/09/zero-sum-fallacy.html?m=1 (link:://asderathoslchaimclassicalliberalism.blogspot.com/2010/09/zero-sum-fallacy.html?m=1)
Wow, what a surprise. MauiSunset is a zero sum liberal. That explains just about everything.
I'm so pleased. Your only weapon or choice is exclusion. I couldn't wish a worst infliction upon you. Basically it looks like you have this so bad that you are in the worst state of it at all, a fundamentalist. 8)
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 25, 10:53 AM 2012
link:://asderathoslchaimclassicalliberalism.blogspot.com/2010/09/zero-sum-fallacy.html?m=1 (link:://asderathoslchaimclassicalliberalism.blogspot.com/2010/09/zero-sum-fallacy.html?m=1)
Wow, what a surprise. MauiSunset is a zero sum liberal. That explains just about everything.
I'm so pleased. Your only weapon or choice is exclusion. I couldn't wish a worst infliction upon you. Basically it looks like you have this so bad that you are in the worst state of it at all, a fundamentalist. 8)
I'm an ultra conservative Republican too - that ought to make your day........
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 25, 10:58 AM 2012
I'm an ultra conservative Republican too - that ought to make your day........
Prove it. Let's hear your 30 second elevator speech.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 25, 11:04 AM 2012
Prove it. Let's hear your 30 second elevator speech.
Well I listen to Rush 3 hours a day while pounding out articles for my 30+ websites then 3 hours of Sean followed by 3 hours of Mark. With the exception of cigarettes I can't think of anything else I disagree with them on. (Cigarettes should be classified as a carcinogenic controlled substance and I guess could be used in chemical warfare; or we could air drop them onto mainland China and maybe jobs will return to America; personally I favor that idea)
Very little time listening to elevator music....
This is going wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy of topic...
:question: :question: :question:
M
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 25, 11:16 AM 2012
This is going wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy of topic...
:question: :question: :question:
M
True, sorry.
Since the topic of this thread is making money at Roulette I'd like to say that the 4 days my wife and I will be in Vegas next month will be at the Bellagio (link:://:.bellagio.com/) where our rooms, all meals, shows, and lots of tokens will be free - worth at least $2,500 as far as I can tell.
We plan on 3 more trips this year costing the casino the same money.
I think I'm down $15 for the year so far.....
If you wanted America to fail:
"If I wanted America to fail" (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ-4gnNz0vc#ws)
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 25, 11:16 AM 2012
This is going wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy of topic...
Only when someone's trying to make the errant case that dear Garnabby's an 'internet troll'.
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 25, 11:16 AM 2012
This is going wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy of topic...
:question: :question: :question:
The topic is let's listen to mauiSunset pontificat from his agnostic fundamentalism of Roulette.
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 25, 11:32 AM 2012
The topic is let's listen to mauiSunset pontificat from his agnostic fundamentalism of Roulette.
Ok, so while we at it... :twisted: English is not my 1st language, so I had some fun to Google the words in
bold first before I could understand...
:xd: :xd: :xd:
Regards,
M
Quote from: Gizmotron on Apr 25, 11:32 AM 2012
The topic is let's listen to mauiSunset pontificat from his agnostic fundamentalism of Roulette.
I normally just reply to questions asked of me.
But this thread is getting old and I'll let you guys continue without me - PM me if you have a burning question. I'll be cycling to other websites and topics - hope to chat with you folks after Vegas and before my contest opens. I'm terminating reply notification now.
Best of luck to all..............
QuoteEnglish is not my 1st language
So why's your weblink called blondefriendly shouldn't it be blondevriendelike ek se?
Wonder if MauiSunset is blonde???
Save!
Quote from: MauiSunset on Apr 25, 11:40 AM 2012
I normally just reply to questions asked of me.
But this thread is getting old and I'll let you guys continue without me - PM me if you have a burning question. I'll be cycling to other websites and topics - hope to chat with you folks after Vegas and before my contest opens. I'm terminating reply notification now.
Best of luck to all..............
Before I was interrupted I was telling people here that I was openly & freely disclosing my secrets regarding randomness. I had made no claims that I would be an effective teacher. Anyone that knows this topic knows that I have remained secretive about this topic for more than five years. The saga continues...
Like I said I have made an overall profit playing roulette, regardless I'm still very interested to learn all I can from people like Gizmotron.
Thanks Gizmo.
If you have something good, keep to yourself and benefit. If people attack you, who cares. Joke is on them.
If you want to correct unjustified attacks, defend yourself and truth will eventually win. But expect your attackers to never submit, truth or not. State your case and leave it.
If unjustified attacks continue, report offenders and they will be banned.
But arguing for no benefit is a waste of your time.
If others have a justified problem with you, they can give full details to moderators to determine if someone should be banned. But if others unjustly attack you, they're more likely to be banned.
If you just dont believe someone about something, thats not a justified reason to attack them.
Quote from: Skakus on Apr 25, 06:27 PM 2012
Like I said I have made an overall profit playing roulette, regardless I'm still very interested to learn all I can from people like Gizmotron.
Thanks Gizmo.
Thank you Skakus
Those two videos were hilariously funny. Thanks for that.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 23, 11:20 PM 2012
Truth is the big winners are not at the forums (or they once were *Mr. J for example but now have the Grail(s) and moved on.
Mr. J "moved on" back to the GG.
Quote from: GARNabby on Apr 27, 12:19 PM 2012
Mr. J "moved on" back to the GG.
Wow, a real thread about Roulette after all this time. And it's in the general discussion section in order to protect the thread from being hijacked by snowman.
>>> Who's making money out of roulette at the moment?
Who really cares?
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7061.msg78798;topicseen#msg78798 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7061.msg78798;topicseen#msg78798)
:thumbsup:
If someone claims to teach people to win roulette, it should include concrete examples, not just blah-blah-blah. I am saying that because i have some sources which were a little disappointed after paying money to some "teachers" who taught them virtually nothing, even that the teachers themselves were sure they were teaching some valuables skills.
Concrete examples are way to go. Someone gives u concrete spins, u tell what to bet and why. And then someone gives u real results showing how u r doing and how much u won.
Talk is cheap. Sure You can talk a talk, but can you walk a walk, Gizmo? Let's do it. Lots of informational fluids are flowing here, how about some real deeds? And those deeds are not expensive, all is virtual. But we will see how justified are your claims about 63% of success in roulette.
And mr. Cheese can join too (if he doesn't want to reveal his info, that's fine, he can just reveal his bets, no harm is done for the real info).
honestly i am sick and tired of those fruitless empty arguments going for YEARS (--my hit rate is this, what is your hit rate? --but i share my secretes, what do u share? -- i share my hit rate. -- i can share my hit rate too).
Let's have a proof if u claim stuff like this. Put up or shut up.thanks
Win with common sense:
Select 3 ( THREE) well perfected methods.
Atleast 18 numbers, but never more than 22 .
NEVER , EVER use a negatve progression to chase losses( that what it amounts to.)
Leave the action at the table after 3 losses in a row when playing EC and after 2 losses in a row for inside play including dozens or columns .
PRE--ESTABLISH loss limits for the casino visit. Set a reasonable and attainable win goal.
Maintain rigid discipline whether it is a Low $ 5 minimum table or a higher minimum table . It`s ALL the same relative to the bankroll you bring along.
At the end of the year expect to have increased your master bankroll by 5 %.Then consider yourself a member of the GENIUS class.
DO NOT believe claims of winning Thousands of Dollars , Pounds or Euros,. Pure fiction !
The truth about losses is being suppressed..
Tamino
Iggiv -" Concrete examples are way to go. "
I said there will be people that will fail at this. Even as I give this away there will be
complaining losers. So be it. I'm doing this to prove what I taught was not worthless.
So if you require proof then you will have it. It just won't come from me though. It will
come from others that can do this too. It took me thirty-five years, on my own, to
conceptioulize and imagine this. All of my own research, experimentation, Treasure, and
education. You don't impress me much. I'll do this my way. Demonstrating a live demonstration
will only cause many to conclude that it was just luck anyway.
Gizmo, u dedicate lots of your time to these forums. Why not show some real results sometimes?
You have plenty of time for it. Even a few successful sessions with good overall rate within a month or 2 will do. then it does not have to be just luck. Till then all your concepts mean NOTHING. Lots of words.
Loud claims with dodging showing real results won't give u lots of trust. And the same goes for Cheese. It's your business guys if u prefer to stay on "blah-blah-blah" level. But that fact would say louder than any clever words u use.
You act like I'll run from the challenge. I won't I just don't want to spend five hours in a
chat room. I require an honest person that has 300 real spins. I need them to deal out
these real spins after I've had a chance to explain each bet. I'll then explain the next bet
and amount before the next spin. So where can we get real spins that can be confirmed
after the fact? You want a demonstration then those are my only conditions. This will not
be done in a vacuum. Nore will it be a joke interrupted by idiots that are too lazy to
learn the meaning of the basic tools being described. You must know what a series of
single is. You must know what a dominance is. You must know what a sleeper is. You
must know what the global effect refers to. Now I know you are ignorant of these.
I urge you to get a clue.
Gizmo, u come back to personal attacks. I did not attack u personally, mind u. U don't even know what i know and what i don't. But u attack me just for asking for a little demonstration. I won't go on your level to attack u back. I got used to deal with people like u which when they have nothing to say much, attack an opponent personally.
And I DON'T RUN from the challenge, mind u, since i did not make any claims of knowledge and teaching here.
Now concerning the examples.
U don't have to be in chat room for a few hours. U don't have to be in chat room at all.
All You have to do (if u r willing to show results) is just making another tread (or anybody else can make it for u, doesn't matter).
someone independent will give u as many consecutive spins as u need (no problem to get them from German casinos), and u will tell how u would bet, what and how much. And as i said it does not have to be one day, it can go for a month, 2 or 3, as much as u like. When u have a little time, u just reply to the message and may be come back later, even after a week.
i am not interested to shut u up, show that u r ignorant or something like this. Neither i am interested to quarrel with u (though u look like You are with me). All i am interested about is some kind of proof of your claims. Otherwise it is just a talk, no more than this.
I can promise u that if i gave u those spins, i would not lie. And if u show consistent solid winnings overall, i am ready to apologize and say that i was wrong about "blah-blah-blah level".
My dear Ig.as if we don't know for years now who Gizmo is.
Hearing the same old story,over and over.He is got nothing to show you,
take my world.One should just ignore his parrot comments,
then he may give up...otherwise as long as you expect something
from this self made guru..you will only get empty senseless words.
Fine, set it up at the VLS forum. I've done this in private lessons. It's the most powerful
teaching technique possible.
Quote from: vile on Apr 28, 03:12 PM 2012
My dear Ig.as if we don't know for years now who Gizmo is.
Hearing the same old story,over and over.He is got nothing to show you,
take my world.One should just ignore his parrot comments,
then he may give up...otherwise as long as you expect something
from this self made guru..you will only get empty senseless words.
Save for posterity and the integrity of future reference. I need a good example.
OK deal. I will create a thread, do u want spins from me or any third party? If i give u the spins,
i PROMISE i won't lie. And please state how many spins u need to analyze before starting to bet.
And i will help to keep this thread clean of any personal quarrels and accusations. Just pure spin publishing and your replies.
thanks
here u go
link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20053.0 (link:://vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=20053.0)
Ya, but Gizmo sort of "grows on" you. Call it Gizmosis.
Anyway, a lot of good discoveries were made while looking for something completely different; and of the ones which were intentional, a lot of those required an (unadmitted) about-face in beliefs.
Quote from: iggiv on Apr 28, 10:47 AM 2012
If someone claims to teach people to win roulette, it should include concrete examples, not just blah-blah-blah. I am saying that because i have some sources which were a little disappointed after paying money to some "teachers" who taught them virtually nothing, even that the teachers themselves were sure they were teaching some valuables skills.
Concrete examples are way to go. Someone gives u concrete spins, u tell what to bet and why. And then someone gives u real results showing how u r doing and how much u won.
Talk is cheap. Sure You can talk a talk, but can you walk a walk, Gizmo? Let's do it. Lots of informational fluids are flowing here, how about some real deeds? And those deeds are not expensive, all is virtual. But we will see how justified are your claims about 63% of success in roulette.
And mr. Cheese can join too (if he doesn't want to reveal his info, that's fine, he can just reveal his bets, no harm is done for the real info).
honestly i am sick and tired of those fruitless empty arguments going for YEARS (--my hit rate is this, what is your hit rate? --but i share my secretes, what do u share? -- i share my hit rate. -- i can share my hit rate too).
Let's have a proof if u claim stuff like this. Put up or shut up.thanks
Iggiv, your speech sounds good. I believe you are right. We all know that there are thousands of roulette systems around the forums which claim to beat roulette. I doubt most of them. Why, more than not they have stiff rules.
That's the starting point why they fail. Mechanical betting due to stiff rules make them fail.
One must be flexible and adapt to the ramndon outcomes evolution.
The only way is to try to put onself on line with present randomness.
An educated guess is apt to catch up good runs while they continue flowing/happening.
Knowledge, patience and a proper bankroll to fight ups and downs are required to succeed.
Roulette random outcomes are bound to have a rythm and secuence.
Sometimes they look caotic to us and better not risk bets in those cases.
More often than not you'll find betting opportunities when you work with multiple variants.
I reckon Gizmotron's absolutely right about his claims. Nothing is due but sometimes randomness sort out things in such a way that you can speculate about the present conditions to keep on going. One or two losses will tell you wether you are right or not.
It is up to you being a outside bets or inside bets player. Besides, you can play along the table layout or be a wheel follower.
In my case i prefer inside bets and wheel layout.
I could perform a demostration explaing in detail how i decide my bet selection. I think three different permanences could be played at once with at least one result per day. It could take some time to achieve my 100 chips target per session. Stop-loss 200 hundred chips. Of course there will be ups and downs. Im not saying i will hit every spin but i can show i've got an edge by interpreting what the wheel is throwing.
All i need are 12 previous spins to start betting so I have some ground to step on.
I won't be giving away any system along a demonstration but showing how an skillful and seasoned player can achieve his/her goal by handling accuratly enough the song the wheel is playing.
If somebody helps with the permanences i've got the goodwill to show IT CAN BE DONE.
Cheers,
Carlos
Hello carpanta!!
I would like to help but do not know how concerning permanence's.
Hi Amk,
Thanks for your interest.
It's all about somebody playing dealer job. Three permanences from a live casino, single 0 wheel, are required.
First 12 numbers are delivered from each permanence as background for me. From then on everyday a single number is delivered from each permanence so i can bet on all of them at the same time.
Playing on three permanences at once should harry up the challenge a little bit.
That's basically my offer. It wont prove roulette is beatable for sure but at least i can show one strategy good enough for me to win more than it lose. Also I can explain how i decide the bet selection based on the rhythm and tendency of random events i track.
Cheers,
Carlos.
I started 1 April 2012 with 100$ playing mostly for repeats of No, pattern breaker, bet on sleeping No and other screaming obvious typical roulette formations out side bets when I see them. Played every day about 1-4 hours.
Had a double loss with PB costing me 600$
Bankroll now: 1400$
And I beat RNG. They are more predictable when playing repeaters or sleepers.
wow, can't believe this thread is still going.
My original plan was trying to find out if other members are making money out of roulette. After all, out of all the money making ventures out there, why roulette? The time and effort you put into roulette can easily invested into learning trading, internet marketing, Poker, etc..
what I'm really trying to say is this:
So many other ways to make money and entertain ourselves, why pick one that involves so much risks and little return for the effort and time invested?
Just look at the replies in this thread, not many people declared how much money they have made with confidence. To the ones who claim that they are beating roulette in the long run, why you tell everyone how much money you have made in the last 12 month? Ideally provide some screen shots of your BR from the casino you been playing on from different time periods.
I guess some people just can't give up and continue to waste their time and effort into something with little/no return and potentially huge debts.
you can tell people again and again what they are doing wrong, and what they need to do, but most dont listen. 20 years down the road they'll eventually say they should have listened.
If you play for receration, budget a portion from your entertainment funds (I.e. If your income is 2000/month, 5% of it could be for entertainment--$100. From that money, $40 or $50 could go toward building the bankroll or playing for small stakes.
If you wish to play professionally (and make larger bets), never, never play with your own money. *That's why Steve H.'s offer is appealing imo.
Quote from: Amazin on May 06, 06:40 PM 2012
wow, can't believe this thread is still going.
My original plan was trying to find out if other members are making money out of roulette. After all, out of all the money making ventures out there, why roulette? The time and effort you put into roulette can easily invested into learning trading, internet marketing, Poker, etc..
what I'm really trying to say is this:
So many other ways to make money and entertain ourselves, why pick one that involves so much risks and little return for the effort and time invested?
Just look at the replies in this thread, not many people declared how much money they have made with confidence. To the ones who claim that they are beating roulette in the long run, why you tell everyone how much money you have made in the last 12 month? Ideally provide some screen shots of your BR from the casino you been playing on from different time periods.
I guess some people just can't give up and continue to waste their time and effort into something with little/no return and potentially huge debts.
Gambling has NOTHING to do with investing - it's a form of entertainment.
You pay for entertainment normally - so will you with gambling.
If you want the Holy Grail of Roulette I've got it for you:
Roulette Truth - #5 Roulette Holy Grail (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=ACeN5EFQdxc#ws)
If you have the skills and talent at poker that's an entirely different form of gambling - you are playing against other gamblers with the casino charging a fee for using their facilities.
As long as you view gambling as entertainment and are willing to pay for that entertainment then Roulette is a fun and entertainment way to spend your money.
I snowboard with my son in Park City, UT each President's week and the lift tickets cost $100/day for each of us and we snowboard 4 days so I pay $800 just to get on the slopes for the two of us. Then the ski in/out condo costs $600/nt for a 2-bedroom and that's $4,200 then the SouthWest tickets cost about $400 each for another $800. Then every year I normally buy a new board or boots for about $500 per year. Rental car is $400 for the week. Total cost to me is about $6,700 each year.
Just to get sore muscles and fantastic memories of my son and I having an adventure in the mountains. We go on 5 vacations per year with my wife, son, and other family members. This does not include the monthly casino visits.
Roulette is peanuts compared to my other vacations.
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 07, 08:08 AM 2012
Gambling has NOTHING to do with investing - it's a form of entertainment.
You pay for entertainment normally - so will you with gambling.
If you want the Holy Grail of Roulette I've got it for you:
Roulette Truth - #5 Roulette Holy Grail (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=ACeN5EFQdxc#ws)
If you have the skills and talent at poker that's an entirely different form of gambling - you are playing against other gamblers with the casino charging a fee for using their facilities.
As long as you view gambling as entertainment and are willing to pay for that entertainment then Roulette is a fun and entertainment way to spend your money.
I snowboard with my son in Park City, UT each President's week and the lift tickets cost $100/day for each of us and we snowboard 4 days so I pay $800 just to get on the slopes for the two of us. Then the ski in/out condo costs $600/nt for a 2-bedroom and that's $4,200 then the SouthWest tickets cost about $400 each for another $800. Then every year I normally buy a new board or boots for about $500 per year. Rental car is $400 for the week. Total cost to me is about $6,700 each year.
Just to get sore muscles and fantastic memories of my son and I having an adventure in the mountains. We go on 5 vacations per year with my wife, son, and other family members. This does not include the monthly casino visits.
Roulette is peanuts compared to my other vacations.
BS
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 07, 08:08 AM 2012
Gambling has NOTHING to do with investing - it's a form of entertainment.
BS.
As a form of investment, limit yourself to 5% of your net worth. Stop after that, and no more ever. You though you could win/break even, but didn't make it. Let it go.
For entertainment, don't gamble anything. Drugs, whichever, aren't entertainment. That's a lot of fun over a few days for a lot of headache over a lifetime.
Quote from: GARNabby on May 07, 11:07 AM 2012
BS.
As a form of investment, limit yourself to 5% of your net worth. Stop after that, and no more ever. You though you could win/break even, but didn't make it. Let it go.
For entertainment, don't gamble anything. Drugs, whichever, aren't entertainment. That's a lot of fun over a few days for a lot of headache over a lifetime.
Are you saying that gambling is a form of investing?
I hope not................
Maui just explained his take on casino gambling. It is a form of entertainment as he had laid out in one of his previous posts .
A Broadway show or an Opera at Lincoln center is not a money making proposition either. Some people just don`t get it .They never will .
But iin places like K......./Ontario people are of a different mind set.
Tamino
Let me get this straight-
Some of you believe that a casino spends a billion dollars building a casino and millions a year running the place so they can give money away to you at the Roulette table.
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha......
"Are you saying that gambling is a form of investing?"
That's the thing which practically no one understands about gambling. Until you understand that, you, like most of the others, are doomed to "rattle around" like this making such-odd noises. That's the reason that you "need" to come off as a rich and famous expert at everything. Like the other scammers of one thing or another, who all end up at the same dead end. The good life isn't about the garbage can, "Fill me up."
The Wizard doesn't get it, the (other) scammers don't get it, the addicts don't get it... not even the casual casino-goer gets it.
The casino-industry was, and still is, built around all sorts of illusory rationales in a vain attempt to validate it. Even the Wizard gets his "cut". Scum. (The Wizard is the biggest coward and wimp going. Bodog is the only way he can support himself by it. Go there, remind him of that... he will have his "webmaster" make up posts under your username to then ban you. LoL.)
However, nothing is completely bad, or good. A very-few persons outside that industry do consistently turn an expected marginal profit by the casino-games. It's well-documented in at least the literature of blackjack theory; and its various methods of practice, gaffed and straight-up. (There may even be somewhat-elaborate ways to beat most of the other games, but then i would put that in a simple and cheap book like the other reputable gaming authors.) Do your homework over several years, then take your 5%, and go beat also your gambling-associated pitfall-tendencies along the way (by very-likely really beating the games).
In addition, gambling can provide an easy escape from many of the chronic, mindset-type "nags", but the (real) recreational activities don't come with its many potential problems.
I state what a seasoned player told me last year.
Most players dont have these to things and that is why they cant win.
Patience and Discipline.
Stuart :.987power.com (link:://:.987power.com)
Ya, keep staring while they keep taking your money.
If you can win, you don't have to wait for anything, or anyone. Nothing to be "restless" about then.
Quote from: GARNabby on May 07, 01:44 PM 2012
Ya, keep staring while they keep taking your money.
If you can win, you don't have to wait for anything, or anyone. Nothing to be "restless" about then.
Yep, I agree.
Ken
I have a new rule for you. Everytime I see....."roulette cant be beat, you guys are wasting your time just like idiots" (etc), I'm gonna delete it. I/we know your OPINION already......anything *NEW* to add?
Ken
Quote from: MauiSunset on May 07, 02:39 PM 2012
So you are back to deleting post from folks who see Roulette differently.
Good grief.........
Nice try, good effort. As I told you over the weekend, guys/gals here talk about playing methods, testing, discussing new ideas etc., THOSE ideas are......*NEW*, different, fun, informative etc.
YOU....post the SAME....."roulette can't be beat, you guys are wasting your time just like idiots" So how do you call that....'folks who see roulette differently'?
We talk about methods.....get over yourself and stop bothering the members here. Do you know how busy I would be if I went to every board/post that talked about Advantage-play.....and I tossed around my view, shooting it down? What a waste of time. We KNOW YOUR VIEW, move on and happy trails.
Ken
Quote from: MrJ on May 07, 02:48 PM 2012
Nice try, good effort. As I told you over the weekend, guys/gals here talk about playing methods, testing, discussing new ideas etc., THOSE ideas are......*NEW*, different, fun, informative etc.
YOU....post the SAME....."roulette can't be beat, you guys are wasting your time just like idiots" So how do you call that....'folks who see roulette differently'?
We talk about methods here.....get over yourself and stop bothering the members here. Do you know how busy I would be if I went to every board/post that talked about Advantage-play.....and I tossed around my view, shooting it down? What a waste of time. We KNOW YOUR VIEW, move on and happy trails.
Ken
OK, I see your point - why debate something that to you is insanity.
I know the feeling - I'm off to Vegas for a fun week at the Roulette table - I'll be thinking of you guys as I chuckle my self silly..................
Its not a POINT you have, its an ARGUEMENT. Huge difference. We know where you stand on the issues.....now off to Vegas you go.....have a blast.
Ken
i just didn't know this was an entertainment forum.
Can i post about botanics?
O0
Quote from: albertojonas on May 07, 04:10 PM 2012
i just didn't know this was an entertainment forum.
Can i post about botanics?
O0
Botanics like " grass " ? As long as you exhale before.
Tamino
Quote from: albertojonas on May 07, 04:10 PM 2012
i just didn't know this was an entertainment forum.
Can i post about botanics?
O0
how about joining in with the competition. It's started and we are waiting on you. You will be last to post before Bombus posts the next spin.
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 07, 04:21 PM 2012
how about joining in with the competition. It's started and we are waiting on you. You will be last to post before Bombus posts the next spin.
Thanx GIZMO :xd:
Quote from: MrJ on May 07, 02:18 PM 2012
I have a new rule for you. Everytime I see....."roulette can't be beat, you guys are wasting your time just like idiots" (etc), I'm gonna delete it. I/we know your OPINION already......anything *NEW* to add?
Ken
why would you want to do that Ken? I know this is a roulette forum but if only 3 or 4 members out of 1000s on here are consistently winning from it, then is it something worth pursuing for the rest of us?
This thread is not supposed to be about "roulette can't be beaten" but I just want a true reflection of reality what is really happening. After 1000s of threads and 10,000s of posts, what have we really acheived?
still, nobody include Mr J have declared how much money they have made from roulette.
If he can STAY ON TOPIC, no problem.
Ken
still, nobody include Mr J have declared how much money they have made from roulette.
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--Over 5 mill.in about last 30 years.Happy now.
But you don't believe me,do you,same as you don't believe
in roulette.Therefore you never be a winner,
5 Millions is quite impressive.
Did the casinos let you walk away with them without problems?
Did you get banned by any casino for winning too much?
Quote from: Gizmotron on May 07, 04:21 PM 2012
how about joining in with the competition. It's started and we are waiting on you. You will be last to post before Bombus posts the next spin.
Deja vu.