I will present a system that i have played for a year, superior to code 4 and divide and conquer,for those who like to play this style, i have tested this for 5000 games never lost butyou never no,and played for the last year never lost. until later muchachos.
Bring it on . . . will love to test it. Nick
Sounds GREAT !!
Will hold-off going to my local 2 casinos in Bournemouth until i see YOUR system.
Dino.
bring it on warrior cant wait
tom
Sounds interesting.....
The important question: is this flat betting or does it use a progression
As we all know there is no such thing as holy grail, this would probably lose long term what ever that means, but i manage to take some money from the casinos not million or even thousands just enough to win ,for every one is different,is it a flat well thats totally up to you and a ballistic progression is out of the ?2 up on a lose1 down on a win is ok, i found that with 5 unit win im done go home,i know that every one including me were fed up with all these matrix systems ,but this is the only one i use i have tried all of them ,i dont like to wait to long for triggers like the code 4 but the divide and conquer offerd more of betting opportunity but found it did lose more then the rules showed, anyways i put together this hybrid dc4, up till now it has not been done on the forum my results are good and hope yours are too enjoy warrior.
system
you begin to track down the dozens and the columns together just like the divide and conquer sytem ,the only differens is we add the columns with the dozens ,like this.
begin always with................. 1a 2b 3c
next we fill in those groups just like code4.alternating dozens and columns.as the numbers come in.ex dozen 1 comes in mark it, next spin column c mark it nex to dozen 1 ok clear.
ex. 1a1c 2b3a 3c1a- from here we wait for the next spin so we can start betting so lets say the next 4 spins are 2a3c we put 2 is our trigger so we jott it down under the 2b3a our first bet is against the b column if you lose bet against the 3rd dozen and if you lose bet against column a ,that's the first part so now it starts to look like this.
1a1c 2b3a 3c1a
2a3c
if you win the first bet keep filling in the matrix until you have all 4 complete,next 4 spins 1b3c our trigger is always the dozens so it will look like this bet against a1c ok.
1a1c 2b3a 3c1a
1b3c 2a3c
just like divide and conquer and code 4 but i put them together ,the only difference is in code 4 you track for 12 spins and then bet that the forth line does not repeat the first line this hybrid gets you betting continoulsy the only difference if you win the first bet you wait 2 spins before betting again, big deal but we don't fall asleep,let continue next 4 spins 2b3c.
1a1c 2b3a 3c1a
1b3c 2a3c
2b3c
in all these bets i won on the first spin,here is the most important part when the bet repeats its self you lost 3 in a row great go home ,just joking ,we stop all betting but we keep tracking the bets and keep putting the dozens and columns under there appropriate columns. we start to bet when the the column that repeated gets the trigger for the second time, this is where this idea is different i think it has not lost 2 in a row .ex next 4 spins 3c1a this is our repeat.
1a1c 2b3a 3c1a
1b3c 2a3c 3c1a here we lose 3 in row so now we wait unit the 3rd dozen trigger. 2b3c 3a2c here we win on the 4th spin.
what i do to make it safer i wait for the first match then i go in for 2 spins ,in case of a repeatim not losing 3 in a row but only 2 but then i wait for the next trigger and betting for only 5 spins instead of 6. man i hope i expained it clearly .2 in row under the same column never seen but that means nothing played real money always walked out with 5 units ,there you have it have fun and good luck.warrior
like your system,
made some test with live spins (only +/- 250 spins, will test more) and looks promissing. Have one question, what do we do when zero hits within the first 6 spins, do we skip and look for the next number.
And if a zero comes up when we are tracking, say you have this:
1A2C 2B3A 3B3B
and then zero comes up, do wait for next number to look for the corresponding dozen or do we wait 3 spins after zero (so total of 4 spins).
21 13 17 33 30 12 33 7 15 7 15 7 8 6 27 9 14 32 26 35 29 32 27 27 this is a session from today won 5 adios.just to give more ex.they all won on the first spin.
1a2a 2b2c 3c3c
2a1c 3a2a
3c2b
3b3b
3c3b
Quote from: warrior on Apr 19, 08:36 AM 2012
21 13 17 33 30 12 33 7 15 7 15 7 8 6 27 9 14 32 26 35 29 32 27 27 this is a session from today won 5 adios.just to give more ex.they all won on the first spin.
1a2a 2b2c 3c3c
2a1c 3a2a
3c2b
3b3b
3c3b
Hi warrior. Looks interesting. Ok. I fully understood how you are playing from those numbers given - but what is your staking plan arrangements? Thanks.
Here is my session:
Quote
36 9 25 13 23 28 3 34 5 18 6 17 31 15 27 15 27 19 36 27 2 17 29 29
1a3c 2b3a 3c2a
1a1c 3c3a
1b3c 3c1b
3b3c
w2nd
w1st
w2nd
w2nd
w1st
+5. Exit
I used the 1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27 standard prog
Regards,
A.
Hello Warrior . . .
Just did a quick 50 test run of this hybrid and it started out well winning a lot of 5 units but unfortunately it quickly it the solid ice wall in the Game of Thrones.
Attached is my spreadsheet tracker showing the a loss of 53 units. I used a standard 3 stage progression of 1-3-9 for a maximum loss of 26.
You can play around with this and try other progressions or flat betting but in the end, this is another “event†based system that will lose in the long run.
It was enjoyable testing it and please keep thinking of new ideas, especially, the “out of the box†types, the more different the better.
Nick
big A ex, 1a2c 2b3a 3c2c
2b2c here we have a repeat on b ,in the rules i said if you want to make it safer wait for a repeat, then bet 2 times in that line ,just in case the line repeats for 4 spins then wait for that line to trigger again then bet for 3 more spin total of 5 spins i have never gone that far 2 in row losses i have not encounterd yet ,so if i use this variation i will do a 1 3 9 27 if i lose on the forth i take the loss start over but this time i do not wait for a repeat,i bet on the next trigger a try to recoup. if you want to bet every spin jus a 1234 1 unit down on a win or until even or possitive.
Quote from: Nickmsi on Apr 19, 11:49 AM 2012
Hello Warrior . . .
Just did a quick 50 test run of this hybrid and it started out well winning a lot of 5 units but unfortunately it quickly it the solid ice wall in the Game of Thrones.
Attached is my spreadsheet tracker showing the a loss of 53 units. I used a standard 3 stage progression of 1-3-9 for a maximum loss of 26.
You can play around with this and try other progressions or flat betting but in the end, this is another “event†based system that will lose in the long run.
It was enjoyable testing it and please keep thinking of new ideas, especially, the “out of the box†types, the more different the better.
Nick
what in the world are you playing1a 2b 3c where are all the the numbers that go under each colums re read the rules your not playing 1a 2b 3c every spin.
nickmsi are familiar with divide and conquer and code 4 ?
Quote from: warrior on Apr 19, 11:54 AM 2012
big A ex, 1a2c 2b3a 3c2c
2b2c here we have a repeat on b ,in the rules i said if you want to make it safer wait for a repeat, then bet 2 times in that line ,just in case the line repeats for 4 spins then wait for that line to trigger again then bet for 3 more spin total of 5 spins i have never gone that far 2 in row losses i have not encounterd yet ,so if i use this variation i will do a 1 3 9 27 if i lose on the forth i take the loss start over but this time i do not wait for a repeat,i bet on the next trigger a try to recoup. if you want to bet every spin jus a 1234 1 unit down on a win or until even or possitive.
Thanks warrior,
36 9 25 13 23 28 3 34 5 18 6 17 31 15 27 15 27 19 36 27 2 17 29 29
1a3c 2b3a 3c2a
1a1c 3c3a
1b3c 3c1b
3b3c
Ok. Same game I played but this time waiting for a second repeat (for the extra safety as you advised)
w1st
w1st
w1st
+3
Obviously I must play on further to get the 2 matches first in the groups to achieve a 5 units target - but who cares if it takes longer - as it DOES seem much safer?
I like your idea of up1; down1 stake pattern.
A.
ex 1a2c 2b3c 3c2a
1a2c
1a2c 2 in row is rare but it does not mean it cannot happen ,any one looking for a long run strategy start training in a marathon i did not say it will win in the long run so read the thread carefully i do not want this thread to repeat its self on the same issues.thank you
I have won with this for the last year never lost :D
Quote from: warrior on Apr 18, 09:35 AM 2012
...i have tested this for 5000 games never lost but you never no, and played for the last year never lost...
Hi warrior,
What was your largest drawdown in these games before +5 was achieved?
Regards
B27
Hi Warrior . . .
Yes, I am familiar with Code4 and D & C. Your Hybrid DC4 was very close to them so it took very little time to re-code Excel with your bet selection.
I am here to help by showing with concrete spreadsheets what results one can expect. Please, people don't shoot the messenger.
Testing is what I do while looking for ways to win. I'm a test-a-holic.
I have tested over a hundred systems and have learned a good deal in doing so.
To help anyone looking to further their knowledge of this type Matrix betting, I am happy to attach my original tracking spreadsheets for CODE4, DC20Spins, and even RDC20 spins (Reverse Divide & Conquer).
Enjoy and if I can help further, just advise.
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on Apr 19, 01:14 PM 2012
Hi Warrior . . .
Yes, I am familiar with Code4 and D & C. Your Hybrid DC4 was very close to them so it took very little time to re-code Excel with your bet selection.
I am here to help by showing with concrete spreadsheets what results one can expect. Please, people don't shoot the messenger.
Testing is what I do while looking for ways to win. I'm a test-a-holic.
I have tested over a hundred systems and have learned a good deal in doing so.
To help anyone looking to further their knowledge of this type Matrix betting, I am happy to attach my original tracking spreadsheets for CODE4, DC20Spins, and even RDC20 spins (Reverse Divide & Conquer).
Enjoy and if I can help further, just advise.
Nick
Your trying to tell me that you had 2losses in a row within 50 spin,if show me the numbers from those 50 spins i would like tpo see them , but for now i do not want this thread mixed up with all those other attachment ,ps in my 5000 spin test i had one loss of 2 in a row and playing real money not one ,if your playing rng that would explaine things a little.
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Apr 19, 12:53 PM 2012
Hi warrior,
What was your largest drawdown in these games before +5 was achieved?
Regards
B27
I had one loss in the testing phase of 11 33 99 - 11 33 99 that's 2 losses in a row none in real money play I'm not there long enough to give all back.960 units in the plus playing 4 days a week for 5 units a day, in the last year.
Live B&M or online,Warrior.
--Where if I may ask.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 19, 04:23 PM 2012
I had one loss in the testing phase of 11 33 99 - 11 33 99 that's 2 losses in a row none in real money play I'm not there long enough to give all back.960 units in the plus playing 4 days a week for 5 units a day, in the last year.
Wow - congratulations on the +960 unit’s warrior!!!
With “11 33 99â€, you mean you recorded a loss of 27 units 1 time in testing â€" right?
So your take profit is +5, but how many units are you risking (stop loss)? Is it:
(i) 1+1, 3+3, 9+9 (risk 27 units)?
(ii) 1 unit up on loss, 1 unit down on a win or until even or positive â€" risking how many units?
(iii) 2 units up on a loss, 1 unit down on a win â€" risking how many units?
Also is your play trigger:
(a) After first outcome?
(b) After first 2 outcomes match then play next 2 outcomes (that means in case of a repeat you wont loose 3 in a row only 2). Then wait for next trigger and bet for only 5 outcomes instead of 6?
Regards
B 27
Hi warrior,
This seems like a strong system. I suppose you could also play in reverse notation - instead of "doz/col/doz/col" you could play using the "col/doz/col/doz" format - or even play both in tandem using the same numbers!! (Or a second player might use the "column first" recording using the same numbers as you)
For instance, keeping the safety rule and playing after 2 matches:
36 9 25 13 23 28 (first 6 numbers set up default first line - doz first and equivalent col first)
then following numbers: 3 34 5 18 6 17 31 15 27 15 27 19 36 27 2 17
original dozen first notation equivalent column first notation
1a3c 2b3a 3c2a *** a1c1 b2a2 c3b3 (first line)
================================================
1a1c 3c3a c3c3
1b3c 3c1b c2a2
3b3c c2c3
c3b2
w1st w1st
w1st w1st
w1st
+5 overall from both ways of recording (wins in bold)
A.
bettor 27 it depends on how safe you want to play, it depends on what you want to risk,look at the play of atlantis , you can choose to wait for the first repeat then go in for 2 spins if you lose its 11 33 that you lose, wait for the next trigger on that line then go in for 99 27 27 but if you lose those 4 you still have one more bet on that line total 5 th spin but i don't progress from there i take the loss of the 4 spins but i go back to 11 on the 5th spin i hope that makes sense,now you can choose 1 up on a loss one down on a win, 1234 and so on ,if you want to flat bet thisu the only way i think is play for a 100 place bets then look at your total then if your down in the next 100 raise it by one unit unitl even or profit.warrior
Quote from: atlantis on Apr 20, 07:03 AM 2012
Hi warrior,
This seems like a strong system. I suppose you could also play in reverse notation - instead of "doz/col/doz/col" you could play using the "col/doz/col/doz" format - or even play both in tandem using the same numbers!! (Or a second player might use the "column first" recording using the same numbers as you)
For instance, keeping the safety rule and playing after 2 matches:
36 9 25 13 23 28 (first 6 numbers set up default first line - doz first and equivalent col first)
then following numbers: 3 34 5 18 6 17 31 15 27 15 27 19 36 27 2 17
original dozen first notation equivalent column first notation
1a3c 2b3a 3c2a *** a1c1 b2a2 c3b3 (first line)
================================================
1a1c 3c3a c3c3
1b3c 3c1b c2a2
3b3c c2c3
c3b2
w1st w1st
w1st w1st
w1st
+5 overall from both ways of recording (wins in bold)
A.
i have tried the reverse with the colums first ,not the greatis results it shows to many double losses but it you track both and wait for those double losses third line loss i would bet but be carefull with that on colums are like beautyifull women then babang.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 20, 08:44 AM 2012
i have tried the reverse with the columns first ,not the greatis results it shows to many double losses but it you track both and wait for those double losses third line loss i would bet but be carefull with that on columns are like beautyifull women then babang.
Hello Warrior
I think we should put in some benchmark when testing some posted systems here. Anything tested less than 5K does not tell me anything. I tested some systems (RX and live spins data) and lots of systems tanked after 5k spins after it worked before . Its just a figure and it depends on a system you test. Let me give you an example.
You bet against 1/3 chance event happening (DZ,CL,DS) 4 times in a row. You have 1/81 chance of winning (Code 4 for example). You would need at least 10 times number of games of your chance of winning to give you an idea how the system performs. So test 1000 games.
Get P4 - 1/8 chance of losing in 3 times. Play at least 100 games and verify results.
Roulette can not be beaten by applying probability and distribution laws but... you can eliminate some systems. If they perform poorly in testing applying these rules just forget about them.
Its not always that easy to estimate your probability of success but you can always get strike ratio and usually determine if the system has some potential. I would not play any system that relies on any straight progression without applying any stop - loss and win - goal values.
Regards
Hi Warrior!
Roulette Xtreme dgt file or video to show you?
Quote from: warrior on Apr 20, 08:24 AM 2012
bettor 27 it depends on how safe you want to play, it depends on what you want to risk,look at the play of atlantis , you can choose to wait for the first repeat then go in for 2 spins if you lose its 11 33 that you lose, wait for the next trigger on that line then go in for 99 27 27 but if you lose those 4 you still have one more bet on that line total 5 the spin but i don't progress from there i take the loss of the 4 spins but i go back to 11 on the 5th spin i hope that makes sense,now you can choose 1 up on a loss one down on a win, 1234 and so on ,if you want to flat bet thisu the only way i think is play for a 100 place bets then look at your total then if your down in the next 100 raise it by one unit unitl even or profit.warrior
Thanks for clarifying warrior.
Essentially what you are saying is that the strength of this method is that you haven't encountered 2 losses in a row yet in live play - because you are not there long enough - terminating play after +5 units?
For example, you haven't come across this scenario in live play (safer way to play demonstrated in bold), namely :
1A3C 2B3A 3C2A
3C
3B <--- Won on first outcome (1+1)
3C
3B <--- Lost two outcomes (1+1, 3+3)
3
C3B <--- Lost three outcomes (9+9, 27+27, 1+1)
Result -80 units
Regards
B27
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 20, 10:43 AM 2012
Hello Warrior
I think we should put in some benchmark when testing some posted systems here. Anything tested less than 5K does not tell me anything. I tested some systems (RX and live spins data) and lots of systems tanked after 5k spins after it worked before . Its just a figure and it depends on a system you test. Let me give you an example.
You bet against 1/3 chance event happening (DZ,CL,DS) 4 times in a row. You have 1/81 chance of winning (Code 4 for example). You would need at least 10 times number of games of your chance of winning to give you an idea how the system performs. So test 1000 games.
Get P4 - 1/8 chance of losing in 3 times. Play at least 100 games and verify results.
Roulette can not be beaten by applying probability and distribution laws but... you can eliminate some systems. If they perform poorly in testing applying these rules just forget about them.
Its not always that easy to estimate your probability of success but you can always get strike ratio and usually determine if the system has some potential. I would not play any system that relies on any straight progression without applying any stop - loss and win - goal values.
Regards
I agree ,i also have tested systems for 10 thousand spin to find out the first time i tried at the casino to bomb, and only lost only once in testing so where do you draw the line we know to a degree we will do better then the average punter just betting on there bdays or what ever,this system will lose i no that for a fact ,but like said all systems will fall prey to the odds and the random of this exciteing game,im happy with a break even or 5 units a day or a loss once in a while . warrior.
Quote from: Bettor 27 on Apr 20, 04:05 PM 2012
Thanks for clarifying warrior.
Essentially what you are saying is that the strength of this method is that you haven't encountered 2 losses in a row yet in live play - because you are not there long enough - terminating play after +5 units?
For example, you haven't come across this scenario in live play (safer way to play demonstrated in bold), namely :
1A3C 2B3A 3C2A
3C3B <--- Won on first outcome (1+1)
3C3B <--- Lost two outcomes (1+1, 3+3)
3C3B <--- Lost three outcomes (9+9, 27+27, 1+1)
Result -80 units
Regards
B27
NO i have not , but now im superstitious so this is what we do in my italian heritage >:D eye be gone LOL.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 20, 05:34 PM 2012
...this system will lose i no that for a fact ,but like said all systems will fall prey to the odds and the random of this exciteing game,I'm happy with a break even or 5 units a day or a loss once in a while...
Will it make more than it looses warrior?
With +960 units, I think your bankrol is safe :)
Quote from: warrior on Apr 20, 05:34 PM 2012
I agree ,i also have tested systems for 10 thousand spin to find out the first time i tried at the casino to bomb, and only lost only once in testing so where do you draw the line we know to a degree we will do better then the average punter just betting on there bdays or what ever,this system will lose i no that for a fact ,but like said all systems will fall prey to the odds and the random of this exciteing game,I'm happy with a break even or 5 units a day or a loss once in a while . warrior.
Hola Warrior
If you tested a system for 10k spins and it tanks in real play then you have a bad karma :D
I know i have it. Yesterday i lost for the first time playing repeats due to 10 second power outage.
I live in Philippines now and it can happen. Of course the bet i was not able to place would be the winning one. 8)
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 20, 10:00 PM 2012
Hola Warrior
If you tested a system for 10k spins and it tanks in real play then you have a bad karma :D
I know i have it. Yesterday i lost for the first time playing repeats due to 10 second power outage.
I live in Philippines now and it can happen. Of course the bet i was not able to place would be the winning one. 8)
Regards
Now that sucks :(
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Apr 20, 10:00 PM 2012
If you tested a system for 10k spins and it tanks in real play then you have a bad karma :D
I know i have it. Yesterday i lost for the first time playing repeats due to 10 second power outage.
I live in Philippines now and it can happen. Of course the bet i was not able to place would be the winning one.
WTF!
Yeah AJ and Warrior
I have to fight not only wheel but also my electrical utility company. If i still lived in States or Canada i could probably sue it successfully for my lost bet. ::) Now i feel extremely uneasy playing any progression.
Regards
@ Robeenhuut - THAT SUCKS MAN!!! How often does that happen?
@ Bayes - I don't think a UPS will work. Even if you put your DSL router on there too, specially if it's throughout town, the routers lose connectivity, and take a couple of seconds to reconnect, by that time the bet is over and you've lost :'( :'( :'(
I know where I live we go through the same thing, specially during storms and bad weather!!!
Regards
M
Quote from: Bayes on Apr 21, 03:00 AM 2012
Hi RH,
One way around that is to buy a UPS (link:://:.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/Trust-1000VA-UPS-Mains-Power-Protector-400557) (uninterruptible power supply). They're not cheap but it could save you money in the long run.
I also learned the hard way. Now if I'm not on my laptop, I'm on a battery. Cost about $75 at Best Buy.
Also, watch out for the Jehova's witnesses. Cost me $175 to answer the door once............
Sam
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 25, 11:25 AM 2012
@ Robeenhuut - THAT SUCKS MAN!!! How often does that happen?
@ Bayes - I don't think a UPS will work. Even if you put your DSL router on there too, specially if it's throughout town, the routers lose connectivity, and take a couple of seconds to reconnect, by that time the bet is over and you've lost :'( :'( :'(
I know where I live we go through the same thing, specially during storms and bad weather!!!
Regards
M
Oh, geez...............
Never thought of that........
Quote from: Maui13 on Apr 25, 11:25 AM 2012
@ Robeenhuut - THAT SUCKS MAN!!! How often does that happen?
@ Bayes - I don't think a UPS will work. Even if you put your DSL router on there too, specially if it's throughout town, the routers lose connectivity, and take a couple of seconds to reconnect, by that time the bet is over and you've lost :'( :'( :'(
I know where I live we go through the same thing, specially during storms and bad weather!!!
Regards
Hola
It happened few times before but never during progression. If you play online thats not only problem that you can encounter. Before when i played at PP i was interrupted by a maintenance.
They just went offline without any announcements.
Luckily last time was the first time i was really affected.
Regards
Hi Warrior could you tell me how you deal with the zero
tom
Quote from: joiner29 on Apr 25, 03:27 PM 2012
Hi Warrior could you tell me how you deal with the zero
tom
[/quote I count it as a loss.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 19, 04:23 PM 2012
...960 units in the plus playing 4 days a week for 5 units a day, in the last year.
Hi warrior,
In live play, are you playing:
(1) the safe method OR
(2) every spin
Regards
B27
Quote from: Bettor 27 on May 01, 07:43 AM 2012
Hi warrior,
In live play, are you playing:
(1) the safe method OR
(2) every spin
Regards
B27
safe way.
Quote from: warrior on May 01, 08:08 AM 2012
safe way.
and in live play, the progression you are using:
(a) 1+1, 3+3, 9+9, 27+27 (risk 80 units) OR
(b) up 1, down 1 stake pattern?
Quote from: Bettor 27 on May 02, 05:54 AM 2012
and in live play, the progression you are using:
(a) 1+1, 3+3, 9+9, 27+27 (risk 80 units) OR
(b) up 1, down 1 stake pattern?
B I ways try to gewt back to even.
Quote from: warrior on May 02, 07:59 AM 2012
B I ways try to gewt back to even.
Hi warrior - how would you have played these numbers?
02 1
03 C
01 1
17 B
01 1
30 C
02 1
28 A
0 0
32 B
07 1
26 B
02 1
32 B
15 2
17 B
33 3
30 C
07 1
32 B
35 3
16 A
18 2
34 A
17 2
30 C
07 1
31 A
32 3
04 A
22 2
03 C
09 1
24 C
29 3
34 A
36 3
09 C
31 3
12 C
20 2
23 B
03 1
28 A
30 3
04 A
30 3
20 B
34 3
24 C
26 3
08 B
34 3
32 B
29 3
25 A
01 1
22 A
04 1
01 A
25 3
21 C
1A1C 2B1B 3C1C
1A0B LW
1B1B
2B3C W
1B3A W
2A2C
1A3A
2C1C
3A3C
3C2B
1A3A LL
3B3C
3B3B
3A1A
1A3C LL
Quote from: Bettor 27 on May 02, 11:58 AM 2012
Hi warrior - how would you have played these numbers?
02 1
03 C
01 1
17 B
01 1
30 C
02 1
28 A
0 0
32 B
07 1
26 B
02 1
32 B
15 2
17 B
33 3
30 C
07 1
32 B
35 3
16 A
18 2
34 A
17 2
30 C
07 1
31 A
32 3
04 A
22 2
03 C
09 1
24 C
29 3
34 A
36 3
09 C
31 3
12 C
20 2
23 B
03 1
28 A
30 3
04 A
30 3
20 B
34 3
24 C
26 3
08 B
34 3
32 B
29 3
25 A
01 1
22 A
04 1
01 A
25 3
21 C
1A1C 2B1B 3C1C
1A0B LW
1B1B
2B3C W
1B3A W
2A2C
1A3A
2C1C
3A3C
3C2B
1A3A LL
3B3C
3B3B
3A1A
1A3C LL
I have +3 i always wait for the first match .
Quote from: warrior on May 02, 12:23 PM 2012
I have +3 i always wait for the first match .
Yep, so waiting for the first match I get the W/L registry above, namely:
LW
W
W
LL
LL
How do you get +3 or am I missing something?
Quote from: Bettor 27 on May 03, 06:41 AM 2012
Yep, so waiting for the first match I get the W/L registry above, namely:
LW
W
W
LL
LL
How do you get +3 or am I missing something?
sorry you are at -5 in that session still waiting for the first match .
Quote from: warrior on May 03, 08:27 AM 2012
sorry you are at -5 in that session still waiting for the first match .
Is this a match?
1B1B
1B3A <---first 2 outcomes match so we bet at 3 right?
warrior
You say you play the "safe way" Assume this:
1A3A
1B3A
After the trigger "1" in the bottom line---which would have been a win had you been betting against the A above---do you consider that B a win or a loss?
Let me ask it simpler: Do you begin betting if your first column (B) after the trigger matches the above (A) or is different from the above?
I ran a hundred numbers from Dublin and just betting first off and quitting caught a ton of winners. Using the 1-3-9 progression, you would only have gone to 3.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 03, 12:26 PM 2012
warrior
You say you play the "safe way" Assume this:
1A3A
1B3A
After the trigger "1" in the bottom line---which would have been a win had you been betting against the A above---do you consider that B a win or a loss?
Let me ask it simpler: Do you begin betting if your first column (B) after the trigger matches the above (A) or is different from the above?
I ran a hundred numbers from Dublin and just betting first off and quitting caught a ton of winners. Using the 1-3-9 progression, you would only have gone to 3.
Sam
2 ways to 1a3a
1a so theres a match bet against 3a safe way plus up 1 unit up on a loss down 1 on a win. 1a3a
1b start from here betting against a3a.progression is up to you the losses are so rare .
Quote from: Bettor 27 on May 03, 11:34 AM 2012
Is this a match?
1B1B
1B3A <---first 2 outcomes match so we bet at 3 right?
:thumbsup:
Quote from: warrior on May 03, 08:27 AM 2012
sorry you are at -5 in that session still waiting for the first match .
Just to recap, that session was:
LW
W
W
LL
LL
How am I at -5 with these outcomes?
With 1 up on loss and 1 down on win I get -18, namely:
Bet Balance
L 1 -2
W 2 2
W 1 1
W 1 1
L 1 -2
L 2 -4
L 3 -6
L 4 -8
Please clarify
Quote from: Bettor 27 on May 04, 08:36 AM 2012
Just to recap, that session was:
LW
W
W
LL
LL
How am I at -5 with these outcomes?
With 1 up on loss and 1 down on win I get -18, namely:
Bet Balance
L 1 -2
W 2 2
W 1 1
W 1 1
L 1 -2
L 2 -4
L 3 -6
L 4 -8
Please clarify
[/quote If you look at my opening statement i mentioned that if you get a match on all 3 you need to wait for that dozen to qualify again. i will go over you numbers one more time and report back.
1a1c 2b2b
1A0B LW even2b3c W+1
1B1B
1B3A w+1
1a3a
1A3A ll -6 here keep tracking but no bets are made i wait for the 1st dozen to qualify again.
1a1a lw -12 -8 so your -6for your session ok that's how i bet the safe way .i was working on other things while trying to figure your numbers out trying to multy task thats where i was wrong on the end profits i hope this helps W.
Quote from: warrior on May 04, 08:55 PM 2012
1a1c 2b2b
1A0B LW even2b3c W+1
1B1B
1B3A w+1
1a3a
1A3A ll -6 here keep tracking but no bets are made i wait for the 1st dozen to qualify again.
1a1a lw -12 -8 so your -6for your session ok that's how i bet the safe way .i was working on other things while trying to figure your numbers out trying to multy task that's where i was wrong on the end profits i hope this helps W.
Understood - except unsure how you got 1A1A as the last outcome as I got 1A3C.
Here is the sequence from the repeat and tell me if I am recording it wrong please:
1A3A LL --> Repeat. Track sequence of 4 waiting for
a sequence to start with 1 to bet
3B3C <--- Sequence started with 3 so no bet
3B3B <--- Sequence started with 3 so no bet
3A1A <--- Sequence started with 3 so no bet
1A3C LL --> Sequence started with 1 so bet against A3
OR should I be recording like this:
1A3A LL --> Repeat. don't record sequences of 4.
Track outcomes waiting for 1 to bet
3
B
3
C
3
B
3
B
3
A
1 <--- Trigger - Start recording sequence of 4 & bet against A3
1A1A <--- LW is outcome
3C <--- resume recording sequence of 4
The way to track is on the first page.good luck :thumbsup:
If you want plenty of action for code play this is the one ,thats why i came up with this one ,5 units and your out.DC4 IS THE ONE FOR CODES.
I had this chinese dude follow my bets one day i realised after my 3rd bet that he was a copy cat,any ways he gave me a smerk like cool.he was winning.
Oh forgot he did not even buy me a drink cheep bastard.
Hi Warrior, i like this system, will be playing it for real B+M tonight !!
Playing the SAFE-WAY how many games each hour do think there are based on about 40 spins hour live ?
Hi dino,
You might want to check out my take on warrior's great system for comparison purposes here:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9441.msg78830#msg78830 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9441.msg78830#msg78830)
Cheers,
A.
Quote from: dino246 on May 24, 09:36 AM 2012
Hi Warrior, i like this system, will be playing it for real B+M tonight !!
Playing the SAFE-WAY how many games each hour do think there are based on about 40 spins hour live ?
HAVE FUN AND PLAY SAFE :thumbsup:
Thanks Atlantis, have checked out the link.
Hi Warrior, I just wanted to thank you for sharing your system with the forum. I have only played 30 games using your method at B&M Casino and have won all in the 1st or 2nd spin. I will keep testing/plyaing and will share results from time to time. Thanks again!
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 28, 08:44 AM 2012
Hi Warrior, I just wanted to thank you for sharing your system with the forum. I have only played 30 games using your method at B&M Casino and have won all in the 1st or 2nd spin. I will keep testing/plyaing and will share results from time to time. Thanks again!
your welcome :thumbsup:
Hi Chauncey, are you playing the Safe - Way ?
I played the Safe - Way last sat-night 14 games 10 won 1st bet, 2 won 2nd bet, 2 won on ZERO ( which i ALWAYS cover ) = 112 spins.
Regards,
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on May 28, 09:17 AM 2012
Hi Chauncey, are you playing the Safe - Way ?
I played the Safe - Way last sat-night 14 games 10 won 1st bet, 2 won 2nd bet, 2 won on ZERO ( which i ALWAYS cover ) = 112 spins.
Regards,
Dino.
Hi Dino246, I am playing in the safe mode at the moment as I am still in testing mode, but haven't really had much of a chance to be safe about it yet as I have won all in 1st or 2nd spin...lol...but yes, will continue in safe mode.
Quote from: warrior on Apr 18, 10:40 PM 2012
system
you begin to track down the dozens and the columns together just like the divide and conquer sytem ,the only differens is we add the columns with the dozens ,like this.
begin always with................. 1a 2b 3c
next we fill in those groups just like code4.alternating dozens and columns.as the numbers come in.ex dozen 1 comes in mark it, next spin column c mark it nex to dozen 1 ok clear.
ex. 1a1c 2b3a 3c1a- from here we wait for the next spin so we can start betting so lets say the next 4 spins are 2a3c we put 2 is our trigger so we jott it down under the 2b3a our first bet is against the b column if you lose bet against the 3rd dozen and if you lose bet against column a ,that's the first part so now it starts to look like this.
1a1c 2b3a 3c1a
2a3c
if you win the first bet keep filling in the matrix until you have all 4 complete,next 4 spins 1b3c our trigger is always the dozens so it will look like this bet against a1c ok.
1a1c 2b3a 3c1a
1b3c 2a3c
just like divide and conquer and code 4 but i put them together ,the only difference is in code 4 you track for 12 spins and then bet that the forth line does not repeat the first line this hybrid gets you betting continoulsy the only difference if you win the first bet you wait 2 spins before betting again, big deal but we don't fall asleep,let continue next 4 spins 2b3c.
1a1c 2b3a 3c1a
1b3c 2a3c
2b3c
in all these bets i won on the first spin,here is the most important part when the bet repeats its self you lost 3 in a row great go home ,just joking ,we stop all betting but we keep tracking the bets and keep putting the dozens and columns under there appropriate columns. we start to bet when the the column that repeated gets the trigger for the second time, this is where this idea is different i think it has not lost 2 in a row .ex next 4 spins 3c1a this is our repeat.
1a1c 2b3a 3c1a
1b3c 2a3c 3c1a here we lose 3 in row so now we wait unit the 3rd dozen trigger. 2b3c 3a2c here we win on the 4th spin.
what i do to make it safer i wait for the first match then i go in for 2 spins ,in case of a repeatim not losing 3 in a row but only 2 but then i wait for the next trigger and betting for only 5 spins instead of 6. man i hope i expained it clearly .2 in row under the same column never seen but that means nothing played real money always walked out with 5 units ,there you have it have fun and good luck.warrior
Like this Warrior will start testing/playing this and report the results.
Another session, live B + M casino ( Gala ).
SPINS 180
GAMES 19
WINS 18
LOSS 1
PROFIT 10
Played in SAFE-MODE = only 8 units lost = 1 loss ( 1st game of the session !! )
System then went on to WIN 18 games-on-the-bounce.
ZERO cover on EVERY bet.( all won without Zero being hit )
Less PROFIT covering ZERO, but that's how i play ALL outside table bets.
Best Regards everyone.
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on May 29, 04:54 PM 2012
Another session, live B + M casino ( Gala ).
SPINS 180
GAMES 19
WINS 18
LOSS 1
PROFIT 10
Played in SAFE-MODE = only 8 units lost = 1 loss ( 1st game of the session !! )
System then went on to WIN 18 games-on-the-bounce.
ZERO cover on EVERY bet.( all won without Zero being hit )
Less PROFIT covering ZERO, but that's how i play ALL outside table bets.
Best Regards everyone.
Dino.
:thumbsup:
Thanks for the PROFIT, Warrior !!!!
Interesting to observe, whilst sitting at a LIVE video link direct to 4 LIVE tables it would be a logistical-challange to play your system on 4 tables at the SAME-TIME !!!!!
Quote from: dino246 on May 29, 05:55 PM 2012
Thanks for the PROFIT, Warrior !!!!
Interesting to observe, whilst sitting at a LIVE video link direct to 4 LIVE tables it would be a logistical-challange to play your system on 4 tables at the SAME-TIME !!!!!
That would be interesting.
why not bet zero on the final 2 bets of the sequence? That way you're not covering zero every time nad the bank balance is up a bit more...or do you view zero as a "tax" you have to pay?
Quote from: subby on May 30, 06:20 AM 2012
why not bet zero on the final 2 bets of the sequence? That way you're not covering zero every time nad the bank balance is up a bit more...or do you view zero as a "tax" you have to pay?
I think its up to the idividual whatever you feel works for you .
Hi Subby.
Because i bet £10 - £10 then £30 - £30 Warriors system, i am VERY happy to WIN £9 per game each time it wins, ALL NIGHT LONG !!!!
Of course IF ZERO hits, then even more PROFIT is made.
I play zero as a POSITIVE.
Remember i play in SAFE - MODE ( wait for the first 2 spins of each game to MATCH, then play the remaining 2 spins of that game, hence only need ZERO - INSURANCE on 2 spins )
Hope this helps !!
Cheers,
Dino.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 03, 12:26 PM 2012
warrior
You say you play the "safe way" Assume this:
1A3A
1B3A
After the trigger "1" in the bottom line---which would have been a win had you been betting against the A above---do you consider that B a win or a loss?
Let me ask it simpler: Do you begin betting if your first column (B) after the trigger matches the above (A) or is different from the above?
I ran a hundred numbers from Dublin and justquitting caught a ton of betting first off and winners. Using the 1-3-9 progression, you would only have gone to 3.
Sam
SAM this is the only code i use and have done well,so dont give up on it,i have another bet that use that blows even this one out of the water flat bet only, and not code orientaded ,ROULETTE CAN BE BEAT BUT NOT CONQUERD :twisted:
This is my other bet results,this i have played flat bet for the last 3 years and not lost yet.
:l:wlwwl:wwl:wl::wwll::wwl:wlwwl:wwlwwlwlw,now thats one evening of 200 spins. :twisted:
warrior, share it here:)
Thats amazing warrior, congratulations!
Quote from: warrior on Jun 07, 11:05 AM 2012
This is my other bet results,this i have played flat bet for the last 3 years and not lost yet.
:l:wlwwl:wwl:wl::wwll::wwl:wlwwl:wwlwwlwlw,now that's one evening of 200 spins. :twisted:
HECTIC!!! :thumbsup: Sharing is caring! :xd:
Regards
M
Come on Warrior, REVEAL all !!!!!!
Your Hybrid DC4 has been playing GREAT so far.
Let"s give another a try !!
Kind Regards,
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Jun 08, 02:08 AM 2012
Come on Warrior, REVEAL all !!!!!!
Your Hybrid DC4 has been playing GREAT so far.
Let"s give another a try !!
Kind Regards,
Dino.
Congrats to Warrior. Ever the pusher and innovator and twister of good ideas. Hybrid is excellent. I have played 100 games now. And only lost once. I will give a full breakdown of results soon. This may be the most playable semi grail ever. Its beautiful. And this thread should stay at the top for ever. Again very well done Warrior. This is what this forum should be all about.
I agree JL, I continue to play this at the live wheel here and it is performing very well. I am not sure how many games I have actually played without going back and looking at my data but Warriors method is solid to date. (Thanks for sharing again Warrior) I continue to play P4, Code4, D&C, Hybrid, and a few of the others we have discussed in a 5 game session. There are more methods at this point that games I play in one session which is beautiful for beating randomness. I will go back and take a look at my data and share the results in the next few days.
Quote from: Chauncy47 on Jun 09, 02:01 PM 2012
I agree JL, I continue to play this at the live wheel here and it is performing very well. I am not sure how many games I have actually played without going back and looking at my data but Warriors method is solid to date. (Thanks for sharing again Warrior) I continue to play P4, Code4, D&C, Hybrid, and a few of the others we have discussed in a 5 game session. There are more methods at this point that games I play in one session which is beautiful for beating randomness. I will go back and take a look at my data and share the results in the next few days.
Hi Chauncy47 you are playing Hit and Run in its purest form. And I think thats why you are doing so well. 4 or 5 different methods. For one shot a piece. Beautiful. You are not giving random a chance to bite you very often.
Quote from: warrior on Jun 07, 11:05 AM 2012
This is my other bet results,this i have played flat bet for the last 3 years and not lost yet.
:l:wlwwl:wwl:wl::wwll::wwl:wlwwl:wwlwwlwlw,now that's one evening of 200 spins. :twisted:
Had this statement not come from you, I might look on it with a bit of skepticism. But, having come to know you through your posts and pm's thru the years, I know that you not only use the name Warrior but you also follow Don Juan's advice and live like a warrior. And a warrior never posts anything but the truth. So, I believe what you say.
I also thank you for Hybrid DC4. From my tests so far it's the best matrix system yet. Heck, it's the best system yet. I'm not at all surprised that it came from someone so thoroughly familiar with roulette like yourself.
Through the years you have posted many excellent systems that haven't received their warranted attention. This one will.
Thanks for all your contributions. It's members like yourself that make this the best roulette forum on the internet.
We will all be eagerly awaiting the revealing of your best system yet.
No hurry from my perspective. I still can't legally play online here in the good ole US of A and I don't have the time to run down to the casino every day.
Cheers to you my friend,
George
Quote from: GLC on Jun 09, 05:10 PM 2012
I still can't legally play online here in the good ole US of A and I
George....Land of the free.....lol
You need to move to good ole conservative stuffy stuck up UK......
A big ask but can anyone give me a large volume attatchment of actual spins set out in hybrid dc4 style the more the better...just need to test the extremetity of something i,ve come across before i jump the gun hand testing is taking me ages for what i,m looking into....
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 10, 05:33 PM 2012
A big ask but can anyone give me a large volume attatchment of actual spins set out in hybrid dc4 style the more the better...just need to test the extremetity of something I've come across before i jump the gun hand testing is taking me ages for what I'm looking into....
Ask Warrior 4 data or somebody 2 code it in Rx n u can download spins in txt file format.
I think yo need a system for rx huut..i neede actual spins set out as if they were written down in the format so i can go through them by eye...if what i think works then maybe some one could program it in rx to do massive test on bankroll trend..or if anyone has a program i can use a text document with real results that will convert them into the right format...would be great
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 11, 12:25 AM 2012
I think yo need a system for rx huut..i neede actual spins set out as if they were written down in the format so i can go through them by eye...if what i think works then maybe some one could program it in rx to do massive test on bankroll trend..or if anyone has a program i can use a text document with real results that will convert them into the right format...would be great
U need somebody 2 code it in .dgt file of coz.
i,m not very technical huut is dgt file for rx?? thanks for your interest..can anybody help?
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 11, 02:25 AM 2012
I'm not very technical huut is dgt file for rx?? thanks for your interest..can anybody help?
Yeah its 4 Rx. You just put it in designer folder in Rx then download spins in text file n u
can test it. Maybe intriseco could do it. He coded Reversed Code 4 Attack and apparently Hybrid Dc4 is very good system so it would make sense.
Regards
HYBRID DC4 RESULTS UPDATE FOR 12/06/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 199
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 199/1
BALANCE 174 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 95
STEP 2 WINS 74
STEP 3 WINS 30----LOSSES 1
Hybrid DC4 is Warriors masterpiece. He has taken two very good methods CODE 4 and DIVIDE and CONQUER. And created a very stong hybrid version. Its feels very natural and may be the best three step method ever presented on a forum. I have been playing it in my usual Hit and Run style for 2 games at a time. Great work Warrior.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 12, 03:42 PM 2012
HYBRID DC4 RESULTS UPDATE FOR 12/06/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 199
TOTAL GAMES LOST 1
STRIKERATE 199/1
BALANCE 174 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 95
STEP 2 WINS 74
STEP 3 WINS 30----LOSSES 1
Hybrid DC4 is Warriors masterpiece. He has taken two very good methods CODE 4 and DIVIDE and CONQUER. And created a very stong hybrid version. Its feels very natural and may be the best three step method ever presented on a forum. I have been playing it in my usual Hit and Run style for 2 games at a time. Great work Warrior.
I play with a 2 or 3 game then i close it down ,nice results :thumbsup:
Quote from: warrior on Jun 13, 07:31 AM 2012
I play with a 2 or 3 game then i close it down ,nice results :thumbsup:
That's the way to do it Warrior. I would have 5 losses if I had even played 4 games in a row. I always record 4 games even though I only play the first two. This reinforces the fact that short play is superior with most methods. The only method I know of that can take the game without Hit and run. Will make its debut against Bayes RNG creation. Its a new way of attacking random. And its given exactly the same results on Play RNG and real live spins. Over more than 300 games.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 13, 12:08 PM 2012
The only method I know of that can take the game without Hit and run. Will make its debut against Bayes RNG creation. Its a new way of attacking random. And its given exactly the same results on Play RNG and real live spins. Over more than 300 games.
Hi John,
Would that be the "long-awaited" real CODE 20 by any chance ? ;)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 13, 12:11 PM 2012
Hi John,
Would that be the "long-awaited" real CODE 20 by any chance ? ;)
A.
Yes Atlantis. That would. I'm not posting it on the forum. I am going to let it speak for itself against an RNG. Because the thinking behind it is completely going against everything that seems logical.and sensible. So I want the results to talk for themselves. Those who then have a genuine interest will be given the method.
Hi John,
Excellent! I'm so glad you've discovered this method and are having fun proving that it works against r.n.g. It's exciting times to know that CODE20 could really shine and be a consistent roulette beater - even without hit-n-run rules!
A.
Yes Atlantis. That would. I'm not posting it on the forum. I am going to let it speak for itself against an RNG. Because the thinking behind it is completely going against everything that seems logical.and sensible. So I want the results to talk for themselves. Those who then have a genuine interest will be given the method.
This is so like the little kid--who, when he can't win--takes his ball and goes home.
Those of us who actually dared to asked tough questions of JL are supposed to watch and weep as John and his minions rake in hundreds of thousands!!
I will predict this test with Bayes software will never happen.
(The keyword is Bailey so I can find this post again.)
TwoCatSam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 14, 12:32 PM 2012
Yes Atlantis. That would. I'm not posting it on the forum. I am going to let it speak for itself against an RNG. Because the thinking behind it is completely going against everything that seems logical.and sensible. So I want the results to talk for themselves. Those who then have a genuine interest will be given the method.
This is so like the little kid--who, when he can't win--takes his ball and goes home.
Those of us who actually dared to asked tough questions of JL are supposed to watch and weep as John and his minions rake in hundreds of thousands!!
I will predict this test with Bayes software will never happen.
(The keyword is Bailey so I can find this post again.)
TwoCatSam
Sam it will happen. Be sure of that. What I predict is some people will wish it never happened. Know what I mean Sam??. MOP will have to shut his super negative trap. Why people like him even bother with a roulette forum is beyond me. He has no interest in going forward with this game.
So theres no bail from my side no siree. If Bayes holds his nerve, does his learning. And comes forward with the RNG. A few months down the road. People will start to realize when I say something I mean it. And what I say Hit an Run can achieve it does. And what I say of maths in relation to roulette is so. And what I say of the human factor and the mindset of most players is absolute. Vile has given you guys a semi grail. I already know that. Its amazing that no one really sees this yet.
I ve said it forever. The means to beating this game lie all over this forum. HYBRID DC4, CODE 4 PATTERN BREAKER. 3 AGAINST THE LINE. TRILOGY, MATRIX VERTICAL 5 STREET 7. And more. The minds to make use of them don't. Most still squabbling over this useless maths theory tripe. Instead of getting down to the business of WINNING...
again i,m asking if any one has a big volume of spins in this format or a program i could download to put results into this format...
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 15, 03:51 AM 2012
again I'm asking if any one has a big volume of spins in this format or a program i could download to put results into this format...
I'm assuming you've checked the Actual Spins section. If what you're looking for isn't there it may not be available. But you never know. Someone maybe hasn't seen your request who has just what you're looking for. Maybe start a new topic titled, "Big Volume of Spins Needed".
Congratulations Warrior,
I have to agree with JL, I think this may be the crown jewel.
I don't have a lot of time for testing, but just can't seem to get this thing to tank.
I'm working on a progression a little less volatile than a martingale, although with the martingale a loss every now and then isn't that hard to recover from.
The question is, "What is the best progression to maximize wins in the long run?"
If I come to a conclusion, I'll post it.
:thumbsup:
P.S. I thought you said that all double dozen systems tanked in the long run. Maybe you were a little hasty in your conclusion. Let's hope so! :ooh:
The +1, -1 is not bad but I prefer the +2, -1. My forced win progression kicks butt but can also get a little hairy.
I'm leaning toward the martingale for now for this reason. The strength of this system is in a pattern not repeating itself. Therefore, we're trying to get a win within a certain number of attempts. This is different from betting a system that shoots for a win every time.
Granted, we still get a lot of wins on the 1st and 2nd bets so I'm not saying a D'Alembert type system is bad, it just doesn't fit the overall logic of the system as well as a martingale.
I'm testing this now using 3 bankrolls. One for each dozen. That way I don't have to wait as long between bets when I have a double loss.
Say I have 1a3c and I get 1a3c representing 2 losses. If I'm only playing with 1 bank, I have to wait for a 1 trigger to bet again. By using 3 banks, I can play the 2 and 3 dozens if they come up while I'm waiting for another 1 trigger so I can finish my 3rd and 4th bets.
Each bank has it's own progression.
So far it seems to be working okay. Unfortunately, I'm one of those guys who hate to track spins waiting for betting opportunities any longer than necessary.
Cheers
Quote from: GLC on Jun 15, 04:48 PM 2012
Congratulations Warrior,
I have to agree with JL, I think this may be the crown jewel.
I don't have a lot of time for testing, but just can't seem to get this thing to tank.
I'm working on a progression a little less volatile than a martingale, although with the martingale a loss every now and then isn't that hard to recover from.
The question is, "What is the best progression to maximize wins in the long run?"
If I come to a conclusion, I'll post it.
:thumbsup:
P.S. I thought you said that all double dozen systems tanked in the long run. Maybe you were a little hasty in your conclusion. Let's hope so! :ooh:
I believe so GLC. Its the best thing on here in my opinion and testing thus far. I just cannot see this losing longerm mid term any term. Its combined AMKs CODE 4 and Scoobies D&C. Into a titanium tough method for random to break.
And dare I say played as you know I play. Im expecting great things from it.
silly me I just started looking at this thread,, pretty awesome
just tried 500 spins using 3 separate banks.. up 2 on a loss -1 on a win---performed oh la la ----tres bien... got in trouble on one bank but it bounced out quick.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 15, 08:21 PM 2012
just tried 500 spins using 3 separate banks.. up 2 on a loss -1 on a win---performed oh la la ----tres bien... got in trouble on one bank but it bounced out quick.
Tom, The thing we don't know yet is does all three columns working together use random better than 1 column alone. So playing all three columns with a separate bank roll and their own progression may expose our banks at a higher rate. I don't know yet.
If we wanted, we could just pick one of the columns and play only it. Let's say we pick the 2 column. If we have 2a1b we spins until we get another 2 followed by an "a" the safe way and then we bet against the 1 and if we lose the "b" next. If we lose both, we spin until we get another 2 and then we bet against the a and then the 1 and then the b.
I don't know. This could be ruining the system which evidently works just fine as presented.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Jun 15, 09:28 PM 2012
Tom, The thing we don't know yet is does all three columns working together use random better than 1 column alone. So playing all three columns with a separate bankroll and their own progression may expose our banks at a higher rate. I don't know yet.
If we wanted, we could just pick one of the columns and play only it. Let's say we pick the 2 column. If we have 2a1b we spins until we get another 2 followed by an "a" the safe way and then we bet against the 1 and if we lose the "b" next. If we lose both, we spin until we get another 2 and then we bet against the a and then the 1 and then the b.
I don't know. This could be ruining the system which evidently works just fine as presented.
GLC
I've been playing short 2 game sessions with this. And I am 220/1 With 26 units on the line. I'm more than impressed. Warrior himself said he went a whole year without losing. And because of how he plays I believe him. This is one of the greatest methods of ALLTIME. Make no mistake about that. Warrior can't get enough credit for this as far as I'm concerned.
Some special people are involved in its origins Scooby and AMK. And I believe I had a tiny influence in it as well. But people like Warrior and Atlantis never give up. They never stop twisting and pushing a method. And that's how greatness is forged. A great method to me is one that can come close to doubling my risk per game. And this looks like it can 10 fold it.
I'm with you JL. This is so strong that any progression I try wins handily. I'm having trouble deciding between the 1-1;3-3; 9-9 like you're playing for a 26 unit risk vs the +2 on a loss and -1 on a win. They both seem to work well.
To be honest, I keep waiting for the down turn. I almost can't believe this system can continue to perform this well.
Surprised but pleased,
GLC
If some of us medlers can't ruin it, then you know it's "the one". I thought I had posted "the one" a year or so ago, but it turned out to be "the imposter".
Sitting here testing it now George. :) Just playing around with it, no conclusions yet but it seems solid. I also would have a hard time waiting at a real table so I tried it your way.
I was also thinking of playing each column up and down 1A2B
1A2C
1A3A
the C wins one unit , the 3 wins on second attempt if your following what I am saying ?
Just started testing it, a great progression would help as double dozen bets get me nervous:))))))
Was even thinking the regular way playing each column straight as you where thinking, play 11,22 break even 44 lose 2 the other two columns should get you ahead
Believe me Im far away from playing it live--give me a day or two-lol
Quote from: GLC on Jun 15, 09:43 PM 2012
If some of us medlers can't ruin it, then you know it's "the one". I thought I had posted "the one" a year or so ago, but it turned out to be "the imposter".
Imposter Iove that GLC.
Don't feel like Im screwing with the system I kinda like it as written, just did 500 going across as stated----the Betting part is another matter all together-lol,,,
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 15, 10:07 PM 2012
Don't feel like I'm screwing with the system I kinda like it as written, just did 500 going across as stated----the Betting part is another matter all together-LoL,,,
When betting 1-1 3-3 9-9 you have a finite number of chips to deal with. When betting +2 on a loss and -1 on a win, you can get in the hole quite a bit so you have to have a real bankroll. If you had 2 or 3 banks of 26 units each, you would have to be the most unlucky person in the world to lose all three. Of course, if you play here in the US, you have the additional zero working against you and if you find a single zero table, they have a hefty minimum bet.
Hey Tom, let's just move to the UK until they vote to legalize on-line gambling over here.
Just kidding,
Im thinking 11, 22,44 ,88 30 units and take some minor hits.
UK is nice but all of the euro people are buying up the property too fast this week to get into pounds and protect against a fall of the euro. How about we just say the first one to give us legal live roulette online gets our Presidential votes this year!!!!!!
At least Boston will get a real casino but it will take a few years to build the damn thing---
Tom, In reply #27 Warrior suggested that a way to play this with a flat bet is to play 100 placed bets at 1-1 and see where you are. If down add 1 unit and play another 100 at 2-2. Etc...
100 may be too many bets for my boredom level. Of course if we're playing at a $50 minimum table it could keep me awake (I meant you, not we. I'm too cheap for $50 minimum). Also, we're only playing to reach +5 units. That could happen pretty quickly most trips.
Maybe 40 bets like Project 202.
Another option is to play 1-1 and 3-3 for 8 units. Play this way for 40 placed bets and if you're down go to 2-2 and 6-6 for 40 placed bets or until you reach a new high bank.
If the strike rate stays high, you should be able to eke out 5 chips this way without risking the farm.
Just thinking out loud.
100 is too much at 30 spins an hour, 11-33 im just afraid that I hit 3 no hits enough to cover the rest , I have to check on the more conservative approach, I did mostly the regular non-conservative way testing today. I checked about 1200 zumma 0/00 and havent gone past 3 no hits. On the whole it seems great and is pretty easy to test.....the more poeple test and play the more we all know
I think Warrior original idea was 2,3 games in a session either with 1,3,9 progression or 1 up or down after loss or win n walk away when +5u. It worked 4 him. Suddenly we talk about 100 spins game. i understand that he plays it using 1 up or down staking plan. Just curious about breakdown of his games and especially highest bet level. That would give us maybe some concrete ideas as 2 f it is really necessary 2 further tweak it.
Im all for warriors idea!!!
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 15, 11:56 PM 2012
I think Warrior original idea was 2,3 games in a session either with 1,3,9 progression or 1 up or down after loss or win n walk away when +5u. It worked 4 him. Suddenly we talk about 100 spins game. i understand that he plays it using 1 up or down staking plan. Just curious about breakdown of his games and especially highest bet level. That would give us maybe some concrete ideas as 2 f it is really necessary 2 further tweak it.
RBH, I have no doubt that Warrior's way is an excellent way, but I doubt seriously if it's the only way to play it and win. We're not trying to convince anyone to play any way other than Warrior's way. Tom and I are just tweaking around seeing if there's a way to play it profitably that fits our playing style a little better.
Don't mean to imply that Warrior doesn't know how to create an excellent system and maybe in the end we'll be playing it exactly the way he suggested.
After all, we're having to contend with double zero which is a different animal from single zero.
Tom, maybe we should go off forum and continue this via e-mail.
No need to muddy up a good topic.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Jun 16, 01:15 AM 2012
RBH, I have no doubt that Warrior's way is an excellent way, but I doubt seriously if it's the only way to play it and win. We're not trying to convince anyone to play any way other than Warrior's way. Tom and I are just tweaking around seeing if there's a way to play it profitably that fits our playing style a little better.
Don't mean to imply that Warrior doesn't know how to create an excellent system and maybe in the end we'll be playing it exactly the way he suggested.
After all, we're having to contend with double zero which is a different animal from single zero.
Tom, maybe we should go off forum and continue this via e-mail.
No need to muddy up a good topic.
GLC
I would not call it muddying up ;D There is no harm done if somebody offers suggestions pertaining 2 d subject n there r no personal attacks.
Warrior,
I have a couple of questions. First, why did you design it so we have to wait for the same column to get triggered before continuing betting after a double loss?
Second, why did you only use the dozens to initiate columns and not the columns also? I know that's a little confusing since I'm using columns to represent two aspects of the system. What I mean is that we could have playing columns that are initiated by A B & C as well as 1 2 & 3 giving us more bets.
I have an idea what the answers are, but wanted to know if you've tested both ways and found your way to be the most porfitable. It'll save us some time testing alternatives if you've already done it.
Thanks,
GLC
did you try to swap dzs and columns and play for a match?
for instance 3 goes under 1 and 1 goes under 2 and 2 goes under 3 etc..?
1b2c
3...
Quote from: GLC on Jun 16, 10:14 AM 2012
Warrior,
I have a couple of questions. First, why did you design it so we have to wait for the same column to get triggered before continuing betting after a double loss?
Second, why did you only use the dozens to initiate columns and not the columns also? I know that's a little confusing since I'm using columns to represent two aspects of the system. What I mean is that we could have playing columns that are initiated by A B & C as well as 1 2 & 3 giving us more bets.
I have an idea what the answers are, but wanted to know if you've tested both ways and found your way to be the most porfitable. It'll save us some time testing alternatives if you've already done it.
Thanks,
GLC
GLC yes i tested both ways i found that for some reason putting colums first i got losses of 2 in a row alot more often dont no why so i thought to just stick to the dozen first ,and the way i play i wait for the first match although there are so many hit s on the first ,but i found if i lost 2 in a row after the match ,i would wait for the next trigger on that line because in all the results i had 2 in a row losses ,only 0nce in 5000 tries so i thought i would go with that , but you are a genious and you dont even no it ,but your idea about playing for only one section is fantastic im testing as we speak,but the waiting in between spins is a factor so im working on how to fill that in with a min. bet until the trigger comes up again i few ideas but i have to test which one would suit this best ,this bet would have to finance the main bet for when the trigger comes up and use that profit towards the progression,so for ex i win 2 units i would add that to my progression that way it extends the progression on the main bet,just an idea so far .
warrior did you test the interchanging idea ?
Quote from: justanothergambler on Jun 16, 05:43 PM 2012
warrior did you test the interchanging idea ?
whats that?
Quote from: warrior on Jun 16, 05:56 PM 2012
what's that?
look up at my previous post in this page
Quote from: justanothergambler on Jun 16, 10:49 AM 2012
did you try to swap dzs and columns and play for a match?
for instance 3 goes under 1 and 1 goes under 2 and 2 goes under 3 etc..?
1b2c
3...
Yes i have tried this but for for very little data,i put it in a 20 spin frame, but very different from the hybrid but same concept,the longest in i hink i did only a 1000 spin the lonest without a hit was 9 for a 2 to 1 payout.
Quote from: GLC on Jun 15, 09:28 PM 2012
Tom, The thing we don't know yet is does all three columns working together use random better than 1 column alone. So playing all three columns with a separate bankroll and their own progression may expose our banks at a higher rate. I don't know yet.
If we wanted, we could just pick one of the columns and play only it. Let's say we pick the 2 column. If we have 2a1b we spins until we get another 2 followed by an "a" the safe way and then we bet against the 1 and if we lose the "b" next. If we lose both, we spin until we get another 2 and then we bet against the a and then the 1 and then the b.
I don't know. This could be ruining the system which evidently works just fine as presented.
GLC
There is more matches playing this way GLC,2 to 1 payout after testing i dont think i would play this with double dozens.
did another 300 spins, pretty much the same I always hit by the 4th time
I'm sorry to have to post this here. It was intended for Tom via e-mail but I couldn't copy all the special editing so I have to post it here.
This is based on the Hollandish bet progression. I posted an explanation of the system for even chances here:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/3/clean-up-before-move-up/4727/msg47931#msg47931 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/money-management/3/clean-up-before-move-up/4727/msg47931#msg47931)
For double dozens, it’s a little more complicated. I’m going to add a safety factor to move this as close to a flat bet as you want.
The idea of the progression is that we recover lost bets from the lower level by betting a higher level.
We begin our line with a 1. Our 1st bet is 1-1. Every time we lose we write down 1 1. These are lost bets that must be recovered. We stay at the 1 level until we have either recovered all the lost 1’s or we have lost 1-1 three times (This is the safety factor. We can make this number three be any number we want. The larger this number is the closer to a flat bet our progression is). Any time all our numbers are crossed off, we will have won 1 unit. That’s the 1 we started our line with.
Here’s an example:
We start our line with a 1. We win our 1st bet. We are +1. We win again, +1. We win again, +1. Boy this is easy. We lose. Oops. Now we start our recovery line. Since we lost betting 1-1, we write 1 1 after our initial 1 and our line looks like this:
1 1 1
That’s 1 loss at the 1-1 level. We must have 3 losses at the 1-1 level before we can move to the 2-2 level. Let’s say we lose our next bet also. Our line now looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1
Only 2 losses so we have to stay at the 1-1 level. Let’s say our next bet is a win. Our line now looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1
Our next bet is a loss. Our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Now we have lost 3 times at the 1-1 level which means we must move to the 2-2 level.
An important point is that the 1-1 level is the only level that we move up on when we reach 3 losses. All the other levels we cannot move up to the next level until we have cleared all the numbers from the lower level and we must have lost 3 times at that level.
Our next bet is a win at the 2-2 level that means we have won 2 units so we can cross off 2 of the 1’s from the 1 level and our line will look like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Our next bet is a win also and our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Our next bet is a loss and our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2
Our next bet is a loss and our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
Our next bet is a win and our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
Now we have cleared off all the 1’s but we’ve only lost 2 times at the 2 level so we can’t move up to the 3 level yet. Our next bet is a win so our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
Our next bet is a win also:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
Our next bet is a loss:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2
Now we have lost 3 times at the 2-2 level and can now move to the 3-3 level. Let’s say we win at the 3-3 level:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 1
The 1 on the right end is because we won 3 units but had two 2’s so we had 1 units left over after crossing off. At this point we can adjust our line and drop back to the 1-1 level. Our adjusted line will look like this:
1
Let’s say we win our next bet at 1-1. We will be up unit. Our 1st 1 that we started with.
That’s how it’s played. Of course sometimes we’ll be betting at much higher levels. Like I said, this is a very good bet progression method. By waiting for 4, 5, or more losses before you can move up to the next level, you add an additional level of safety against reaching really large bet sizes.
The Achilles heel is if you have a prolonged session of high losses vs wins. Because our progression is rising slowly, it takes a much longer time to recover and this also can give us more time to go deeper into the hole.
This method weathers shot sequences of very high losses quite well whereas a steep progression would get us into trouble. On the other hand the steep progression would recover more often in a session with moderate loss to win ratio. There’s always a trade-off.
If we play a straight +1 as we go up the levels, once we reach the higher levels it can take forever to come out ahead so we can have our progression increase from level to level by skipping some levels.
I suggest a progression line of 1-2-3-4-5-7-9-11-13-15-20-25-30-35-40-50-65-80-100
I doubt that anyone would actually hang in there until they were betting at the 100-100 level, but just in case.
Hope this is clear enough. If not just ask.
Feel free to make all the criticisms/suggestions you want.
George
Quote from: GLC on Jun 17, 09:31 PM 2012
I'm sorry to have to post this here. It was intended for Tom via e-mail but I couldn't copy all the special editing so I have to post it here.
Its great you post it here! Thank you!Quote from: GLC on Jun 17, 09:31 PM 2012
Our next bet is a loss:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2
Now we have lost 3 times at the 2-2 level and can now move to the 3-3 level. Let’s say we win at the 3-3 level:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 1
Its the mistake, right? Should be 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 1?
You are right M.
My mistake
Also I think waiting for 5 losses is better.
Quote from: GLC on Jun 18, 08:07 AM 2012
You are right M.
My mistake
Also I think waiting for 5 losses is better.
Another comment about the progression I gave. You don't have to increase the level sizes as rapidly as I did. You can stay with +1 for each level or at most +2. That keeps the drawdowns a little less volatile.
But remember, the fewer units you recover on each win, the longer it takes to fully recover. And the longer it takes to fully recover the more you expose yourself to enemy fire. That's the difference between using hand guns and artillery. The reality is that whatever weapons you use against the enemy is all they can use against you.
And since we're outnumbered (by a couple of percentage points, 5+ for us poor US of Aer's) we're counting on a little luck in the long run.
One final comment, or at least an additional comment.
You can start out using 3 losses before you can move to the next level after clearing off the previous level.
To slow the increase in unit size you can adjust how many losses before you can move up.
Start with 3 losses on the 1, 2 & 3 levels. Then add an additional loss for each level.
So when betting at the 4 unit level clearing the 3 unit losses, instead of increasing to the 5 unit level after 3 losses, you increase after 4 loses.
That means that you must have the same number of losses as the number of units you are betting before you can increase.
Important! You can't increase to the next unit level until you have cleared all the losses at the previous level no matter how many losses you have.
Example:
Let's say we have the following line:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 This is where you can increase to betting 2 units. We have lost 3 times at 1-1. Later on our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 even though we have cleared all the 1s we lost, we can't go to the 3 unit level to clear the 2's because we haven't lost 3 times at the 2-2 level. We have only lost twice. Let's say we have to following WWL, our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 Now we can move to the 3 unit level to recover the rest of the lost 2 unit bets.
If we had a line like this 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 we would stay at the 2-2 level until we either won 4 more times which would recover the 4 remaining 2's or lose 1 more time which means our 2 criteria are met to go to the 3-3 level. 1) We have cleared all the numbers at the previous level and 2) we will have lost 3* times at the 2-2 level. *3 losses at the 1-1, 2-2 and 3-3 levels. 4 losses at the 4-4 level. 5 losses at the 5-5 level. etc...
What increasing the number of losses needed before being released to move to the next higher level does is keeps our bets from escalating too rapidly.
Hi warrior
First of all I want to thank you for sharing your system with us, I hope It will make money to all using it.
I have a few questions If I may ask;
You said you never lost with this with the 1,3,9,27 playing the safe way, right? How many times did you have to bet 27?
I ask because I did some testing and barely even found the 9-9 bet :)
I'm wondering just how rare is the 27-27 then?
I did test it on the dozens and columns at the same time and the results seem to be the same so can't we also use the columns to get more wins?
And one thing that's been on my mind
Why do we start with 1A.., 2B.., 3C..?
Shouldn't we start just with 1..., 2..., 3... and let the wheel fill up the rest? Or would it make no difference at all?
And how do you treat the zero?
ok when you bet and it comes you treat it like a loss but i meant if you have for example:
1A3C 2B3A 3B2C
and a zero hits
do you discard the zero and the 3 numbers after it or only the zero? (hope you got what I meant here)
Thanks in advance
Regards
S
Dear friend sogget.
Whatever you do, don't even think for martingale for the name of all gods! Are you crazy?
If that very rarely goes to third step then you should be in profit with any much milder progression.
Nothing works good enough to excuse use of martingale.
And seems to me that you forgot about zero, did you?
Cheers
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 19, 05:39 AM 2012
Dear friend sogget.
Whatever you do, don't even think for martingale for the name of all gods! Are you crazy?
If that very rarely goes to third step then you should be in profit with any much milder progression.
Nothing works good enough to excuse use of martingale.
And seems to me that you forgot about zero, did you?
Cheers
We all no that the martingale is dangerous,flat bet does not work and a mild progression is chinese torture just waiting for a slow death ,win 2 max 3 units and shut it down.
Quote from: soggett on Jun 19, 05:19 AM 2012
Hi warrior
First of all I want to thank you for sharing your system with us, I hope It will make money to all using it.
I have a few questions If I may ask;
You said you never lost with this with the 1,3,9,27 playing the safe way, right? How many times did you have to bet 27?
I ask because I did some testing and barely even found the 9-9 bet :)
I'm wondering just how rare is the 27-27 then?
I did test it on the dozens and columns at the same time and the results seem to be the same so can't we also use the columns to get more wins?
And one thing that's been on my mind
Why do we start with 1A.., 2B.., 3C..?
Shouldn't we start just with 1..., 2..., 3... and let the wheel fill up the rest? Or would it make no difference at all?
And how do you treat the zero?
ok when you bet and it comes you treat it like a loss but i meant if you have for example:
1A3C 2B3A 3B2C
and a zero hits
do you discard the zero and the 3 numbers after it or only the zero? (hope you got what I meant here)
Thanks in advance
Regards
S
[/quote The losses are rare but they do happen ,i have been playing this for the last year and never lost as of yet,i make my 2 to 3 units and shut it down then i move into my next system,the safe way is 11 33 99 then back to 11 or 44 and slowly try to recover personly the system is good but i would not risk 27 27 ,the zero is a loss, and no reason to start 1a 2b 3c its random,im not a coder so alot of these systems takes me forever to test but this one was fun.
did more testing,, it still is very good
Warrior,
After our conversations on the line bet system posted in the testing section about using different bet locations to recover after a loss, I realized that that system is just another way to do the Divide and Conquer bet. Instead of left to right we just keep a straight line of spins and look back to see what to bet. No wonder it's doing well.
I was trying it by playing the Street, Line and Dozen all at the same time. Just to see if recovery was a little easier and my 1st test did very well. I think I will post it just for the fun of it.
GLC
RESULTS UPDATE FOR HYBRID DC4 FOR 22/06/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 297
TOTAL GAMES LOST 3
STRIKERATE 99/1
BALANCE 270 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 143
STEP 2 WINS 108
STEP 3 WINS 46----LOSSES 3
Still very impressed with this gem. I have to remind myself I am only risking 26 units not 80 like I am with CODE 4. Because the strikerate is just as good so far. No double losses yet either which is something I'm always looking for in a method.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 23, 11:30 AM 2012
RESULTS UPDATE FOR HYBRID DC4 FOR 22/06/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 297
TOTAL GAMES LOST 3
STRIKERATE 99/1
BALANCE 270 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 143
STEP 2 WINS 108
STEP 3 WINS 46----LOSSES 3
Still very impressed with this gem. I have to remind myself I am only risking 26 units not 80 like I am with CODE 4. Because the strikerate is just as good so far. No double losses yet either which is something I'm always looking for in a method.
Hi JL,
Can you please clarify how you are playing this
Regards
B27
Warrior, do they have single zero wheels in Canada? If so, where are most of your casinos up there?
Thanks
Quote from: kevster on Jun 23, 11:11 PM 2012
Warrior, do they have single zero wheels in Canada? If so, where are most of your casinos up there?
Thanks
All over Canada , BC ,Winnipeg ,Ontario ALL SINGLE 0.
HI warrior,
Let's say we have this scenario:
1a3a 2b3b 3c2a
2b3b
1b2c
Therefore, we have lost 3 in a row, and then we wait for a trigger 2 col. But the next spin is 0,now what? :
(a) We ignore 0 and wait for next spin
(b) Take the lost and start over
guys try to combine this with flat's PCWB.... the result was scary :)
Quote from: marvin on Jun 26, 08:50 AM 2012
guys try to combine this with flat's PCWB.... the result was scary :)
give ex.
In a nutshell, DC bets against a dozen and PCWB bets according to last 2 sector, if you combine the 2 you will only have to bet on 8 splits. i will explain more when i get home its hard to type one phone
Quote from: marvin on Jun 26, 09:11 AM 2012
In a nutshell, DC bets against a dozen and PCWB bets according to last 2 sector, if you combine the 2 you will only have to bet on 8 splits. i will explain more when i get home its hard to type one phone
:thumbsup:
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 23, 11:30 AM 2012
RESULTS UPDATE FOR HYBRID DC4 FOR 22/06/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 297
TOTAL GAMES LOST 3
STRIKERATE 99/1
BALANCE 270 UNITS PLUS
STEP 1 WINS 143
STEP 2 WINS 108
STEP 3 WINS 46----LOSSES 3
Still very impressed with this gem. I have to remind myself I am only risking 26 units not 80 like I am with CODE 4. Because the strikerate is just as good so far. No double losses yet either which is something I'm always looking for in a method.
what I noticed in your stats either code4 or DC4 is this:
if lets say your total games is G, you win:
- the 1st step G/2 times
- the 2nd step G/3 times
- the 3rd step : G/7 times
etc.. globally if you follow this recurrence , at the nth step you would win approximately G/(n!+1) times.
which if n tends to infinite that term tends to 0. meaning you will always win if you follow the serie. well that's mathematically correct! but in practice you should test what is the maximum value for n , in another word how long your CODE should be. that's your optimal code length. (try entropy?)
and by the way, by symmetry, you could bet FOR a match and you would achieve the same result with a benefice of low progression and risks..
cheers
would love to see marvins take on this
Quote from: marvin on Jun 26, 09:11 AM 2012
In a nutshell, DC bets against a dozen and PCWB bets according to last 2 sector, if you combine the 2 you will only have to bet on 8 splits. i will explain more when i get home its hard to type one phone
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very interesting............
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 26, 07:57 PM 2012
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very interesting............
vundarosa
I agree.
very interesting..............................
sorry i wasn't able to post the other night was too tired from the office.
i am on my 3rd night of testing this combo and its really giving me goosebumps +100 after an hour of play
tracking still the same as Hybrid DC4
You may start with PCWB Trigger then after 6 spins start the trigger for Hybrid DC4
PCWB Sectors:
A = 1,4,7,10,15,18,21,24,26,29,32,35
B = 2,5,8,11,13,16,19,22,27,30,33,36
C= 3,6,9,12,14,17,20,23,25,28,31,34
lets use the numbers provided by warrior in Reply#8
21 = - ; Sector A
13 = ; Sector B
17 = ; Sector C ; Trigger for PCWB ; Bet 1u on Sectors B & C
33 = W ; Sector B ; +6 ; Bet 1u on Sectors B & C
30 = W ; Sector B ; +12 ; Bet 1u on Sectors B & C
12 = W ; Sector C ; +18 ; Bet 1u on Sectors B & C
33 = W ; Sector B ; +24 ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column c ; Bet 1u on Sectors B & C
7 = L ; Sector A ; +16 ; bet against dozen 3 ; Bet 2u on Sectors A & B
15 = W ; Sector A ; +36 ; bet against column c ; Bet 1u on Sectors A & B
7 = W ; Sector A ; +46 ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
15 = ; Sector A ; Trigger for Hybrid DC 4 ; bet against column b ; Bet 1u on Sectors A & B
7 = W ; Sector A ; +56 ; bet against dozen 2 ; Bet 1u on Sectors A & B
8 = W ; Sector B ; +66 ; bet against column c ; Bet 1u on Sectors A & B
6 = L ; Sector C ; +58 ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
27 = ; Sector B ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column a ; Bet 2u on Sectors B & C
9 = W ; Sector C ; +78 ; bet against dozen 2 ; Bet 1u on Sectors B & C
14 = L ; Sector C ; +70 ; bet against column a ; Bet 2u on Sectors B & C
32 = L ; Sector A ; +54 ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
26 = ; Sector A ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column c ; Bet 3u on Sectors A & C
35 = W ; Sector A ; +78 ; bet against dozen 2 ; Bet 1u on Sectors A & C
29 = W ; Sector A ; +88 ; bet against column b ; Bet 1u on Sectors A & C
32 = L ; Sector A ; +80 ; Stop wait for next Hybrid DC4 Trigger
27 = ; Sector B ; Trigger for Hybrid DC4 ; bet against column b ; Bet 2u on Sectors A & B
27 = W ; Sector B ; +100
1a2a 2b2c 3c3c
2a1c 3a2a
3c2b
3b3b
3c
please note that i have only tested this for 4 nights now in smart live and so far its giving me positive result. so please don't flame me if this will not work on your end.
Do that 20 more times in a row and we'll all have goosebumps.
Quote from: GLC on Jun 27, 02:11 PM 2012
Do that 20 more times in a row and we'll all have goosebumps.
i will surely do that.
Could someone provide a link to flat's PCWB? Couldn't find it with a search....
link:://rouletteforum.cc/main-roulette-board/4/promised-constant-winning-bet/326/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/main-roulette-board/4/promised-constant-winning-bet/326/)
Marvin,
At spin 8 (where you spun number 7 the first time) you lost 12 units on the splits and you gained 1 unit betting against column C since your previous balance was 24 units wouldn't your new balance be +13 rather than +16?
As many of you know, Full Trioplay is one of my favorite even chance bet progression methods. Since it works so well for me on even chances, I thought I'd adapt it to dozens. It has been testing great. It seems to work best when we use a separate progression line for each dozen even if you're betting double dozens. That way you're not dependent on winning within 4 or 5 spins or else you have to mortgage the house. Although, since it's a up as you win progression, playing the double dozen way works okay also.
I intend to post the method for posterity's sake if nothing else. Of course if any current members want a better shot at winning on dozen systems, you might be interested also. Oh yeah, it works on Lines and Streets as well.
Deciding how to present the method is the problem.
GLC
I have been playing around with a new dozens bet progression for this system and in fact all dozens systems. It works for either double dozen bets or single dozen bets.
I love your progressions, George. Many thanks.
Quote from: GLC on Jun 27, 04:46 PM 2012
As many of you know, Full Trioplay is one of my favorite even chance bet progression methods. Since it works so well for me on even chances, I thought I'd adapt it to dozens. It has been testing great. It seems to work best when we use a separate progression line for each dozen even if you're betting double dozens. That way you're not dependent on winning within 4 or 5 spins or else you have to mortgage the house. Although, since it's a up as you win progression, playing the double dozen way works okay also.
I intend to post the method for posterity's sake if nothing else. Of course if any current members want a better shot at winning on dozen systems, you might be interested also. Oh yeah, it works on Lines and Streets as well.
Deciding how to present the method is the problem.
GLC
I have been playing around with a new dozens bet progression for this system and in fact all dozens systems. It works for either double dozen bets or single dozen bets.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: dennisbelle on Jun 27, 02:43 PM 2012
Marvin,
At spin 8 (where you spun number 7 the first time) you lost 12 units on the splits and you gained 1 unit betting against column C since your previous balance was 24 units wouldn't your new balance be +13 rather than +16?
hi dennisbelle,
hmmm... PCWB are betting on splits and Hybrid DC4 bets on dozen.
so we will bet against the dozen of Hybrid DC4 and bet on the sector splits of PCWB.
we are betting on 8 splits and 1u per split so that would be 8u, so 24u minus 8u is 16u.
correct me if i am wrong
Marvin,
The sectors you listed (below) contain 12 numbers or 6 splits each. Since you are betting 2 sectors (24 numbers) or 12 splits each you will lose 12 units on a loss.
PCWB Sectors:A = 1,4,7,10,15,18,21,24,26,29,32,35B = 2,5,8,11,13,16,19,22,27,30,33,36C= 3,6,9,12,14,17,20,23,25,28,31,34
Quote from: dennisbelle on Jun 27, 10:28 PM 2012
Marvin,
The sectors you listed (below) contain 12 numbers or 6 splits each. Since you are betting 2 sectors (24 numbers) or 12 splits each you will lose 12 units on a loss.
PCWB Sectors:A = 1,4,7,10,15,18,21,24,26,29,32,35B = 2,5,8,11,13,16,19,22,27,30,33,36C= 3,6,9,12,14,17,20,23,25,28,31,34
yes you are correct that we are to bet on 2 sectors BUT we are not to bet on sectors covered by column c since we already have a trigger for hybrid DC4 so we will only betting 8 splits instead of 12.
am i correct?
struggling on my 6th night went down -70ish but still ended up at +80 after 1.5hrs
I would call this system horror DC4
Quote from: marvin on Jun 27, 11:06 PM 2012
yes you are correct that we are to bet on 2 sectors BUT we are not to bet on sectors covered by column c since we already have a trigger for hybrid DC4 so we will only betting 8 splits instead of 12.
am i correct?
Column C on the table layout is used for DC-4 and is different than the column C used in your sector method unless you are not using the table layout column C for the DC-4 method. Since it is your sector method I cannot say you are wrong but it does leave me with some questions as to how you are playing the method.
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 28, 02:44 PM 2012
I would call this system horror DC4
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Lets see you come up with something original,your forgetting one thing ,not just you but all these guys on here that are negetive about all systems on here ,ITS FRICIN GAMBLING MAN.
another struggling on my 7th night went down as much as -120ish twice then recover to +40ish then have to stop will have a long day tomorrow.
i think if i am going to continue this game it will eat up my projected bankroll of 200
Warrior take no notice of Berretta. The metthod as I'm playing it 26 units wait for a virtual loss is working great. Its on par with Trilogy holding around 99/1 and that's good enough for me. You can't help some people their mind isnt ready to win and most probably neverwill be. They were brainwashed into thinking like losers. And theres no change coming for most of them.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 30, 09:31 AM 2012
Warrior take no notice of Berretta. The metthod as I'm playing it 26 units wait for a virtual loss is working great. Its on par with Trilogy holding around 99/1 and that's good enough for me. You can't help some people their mind isnt ready to win and most probably neverwill be. They were brainwashed into thinking like losers. And theres no change coming for most of them.
Hola JL
Congrats John. U came up with a method whose strike rate keeps going up. Did u make some changes? U started with 36/1 progressed 2 66/1 n u r almost at 100/1 ;D Yeah u stressed a importance of patience. If u patient enough yr strike rate will go up. N in my testing i was only able 2 hit around 30/1 f i remember correctly. I guess i need 2 start playing in yr casino. Ladbrokes n BV?
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 30, 09:31 AM 2012
Warrior take no notice of Berretta. The metthod as I'm playing it 26 units wait for a virtual loss is working great. Its on par with Trilogy holding around 99/1 and that's good enough for me. You can't help some people their mind isnt ready to win and most probably neverwill be. They were brainwashed into thinking like losers. And theres no change coming for most of them.
John. U need 2 get some sense of humor. Beretta was just commenting on posts about sessions played by Marvin. And Marvin played not Hybrid DC4 but some mix of it with PCWB n reported
some big draw downs. Lets hope that some people can be brainwashed into thinking like winners. ;D
Regards
hehe ddnt notice that jl was referring to me. :)
no test session for me last night , ill try to have 2 test sessions tonight and post it later :)
it seems like it turns out that i hijacked this thread and it already creates some confusion.
ill create another thread in testing section to report in my findings :)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 30, 10:02 AM 2012
Hola JL
Congrats John. U came up with a method whose strike rate keeps going up. Did u make some changes? U started with 36/1 progressed 2 66/1 n u r almost at 100/1 ;D Yeah u stressed a importance of patience. If u patient enough yr strike rate will go up. N in my testing i was only able 2 hit around 30/1 f i remember correctly. I guess i need 2 start playing in yr casino. Ladbrokes n BV?
with a target 5% profit of the bankroll, i think these kinds of strike rate is doable.
I'm going to propose a new bet method for double dozen systems. I've been testing it on this system with excellent results.
Here's the progression:
1-1
1-1; 3-3
1-1; 3-3; 9-9
1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27
Total buy-in is 116 units. Not to worry. We can never lose 116 units. To do so would mean that we would have to lose 10 bets in a row. The strike rate is way too high on this system to ever lose anywhere close to that amount. So, we can probably get by with 100 units, maybe even 75.
We play 1-1 as long as we win. Once we lose we move to the next level, 1-1; 3-3. We play this level until we recover our 2 lost units and then move back to 1-1 level. If we lose the 1-1; 3-3 level we drop down to the 1-1; 3-3; 9-9 we play this level until we only have 2 units to recover and then we drop back 1 level and recover the last 2 units at which time we start over.
If we lose at the 1-1; 3-3; 9-9 level we move to the next level of 1-1; 3-3; 9-9; 27-27.
We stay at this level until we recover all but 26 units and then we drop down to the next lower level and recover all but 10 units and then we drop down to the next lower level and recover the last 2 units.
It is obviously built on the idea that most of our wins will be at the 1-1 level and the vast majority of our wins will be at the 1-1 and 1-1 3-3 levels.
Only the rarest of bad luck will cause us to lose at the 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 level. By the time we do, we hope to be well ahead of the 116 units loss.
For those of you who have the money you can add the next level of 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81. That rachets the buy-in to 358 units, but it makes a loss seem almost impossible. Not impossible, but almost. It's never absolute.
If you would like to play with a bankroll similar to what F_LAT_INO recommends, you can even add the next level of 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81 243-243. For only 1086 units total buy-in.
1-1
1-1 3-3
1-1 3-3 9-9
1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27
1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81
1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81 243-243
That's a formidable bank roll to throw at a double dozens system. I can't imagine what kind of bad luck it would take to lose this whole progression. Granted with some clumped losses you can spend a lot of time pulling out of the hole. But it should be doable.
I know this sounds like a crazy way to bet, but give it a try before you decide it won't work for you. You might be very surprised.
I've been testing this with a bet selection of alternating from betting the last 2 dozens to hit and the farthest 2 dozens to hit. Kind of like the author's bet selection method on even chances of Same Opposite Same Opposite. Last 2 dozens farthest 2 dozens last 2 dozens farthest 2 dozens etc...
@GLC
thank you for your god work on progression
how do you play this flow
L W L L W W W L L W W LW L W L L L L W W L
Quote from: roulettefan on Jul 25, 07:19 AM 2012
@GLC
thank you for your God work on progression
how do you play this flow
L W L L W W W L L W W LW L W L L L L W W L
Level 1 = 1-1
Level 2 = 1-1 3-3
Level 3 = 1-1 3-3 9-9
Level 4 = 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27
Level 5 = 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81
Level 6 = 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81 243-243
Above W/L sequence:
L -1-1 =-2 Lose on 1st level -2
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 2nd level -1
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 2nd level -3
L -3-3 = -6 Lose on 2nd bet of 2nd level -9
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 3rd level -8
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 3rd level -7
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 3rd level -6
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 3rd level -8
L -3-3 = -6 Lose on 2nd bet of 3rd level -14
W +9-9 = +9 Win on 3rd bet of 3rd level -5
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 3rd level -4
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 3rd level -6
W +3-3 = +3 Win on 2nd bet of 3rd level -3
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 3rd level -5
W +3-3 = +3 Win on 2nd bet of 3rd level -2
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 3rd level -4
L -3-3 = -6 Lose on 2nd bet of 3rd level -10
L -9-9 = -18 Lose on 3rd bet of 3rd level -28
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 4th level -30
W +3-3 = +3 Win on 2nd bet of 4th level -27
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 4th level -26
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 4th level -28
This sequence had 10 wins and 12 losses which is a very bad run when betting double dozens. Normal W/L should have been 14 wins vs 8 losses. Never the less, we're only at -28 units and we just lost 4 in a row which, had you been playing per 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 would have put you down -80 units. -80 plus 10 units for the 10 wins we had = -70.
So, even though we are at -28, we're still way ahead of -70.
The real strength of the progression is if you're playing 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81 and you happen to have a loss of 5 in a row or 6 in a row and you're on level 2. You would have the following:
-1-1 L 1st bet of level 2 -2
-3-3 L 2nd bet of level 2 -8
-1-1 L 1st bet of level 3 -10
-3-3 L 2nd bet of level 3 -16
-9-9 L 3rd bet of level 3 -34
Verses the normal progression for double dozens:
-1-1 -2
-3-3 -8
-9-9 -26
-27-27 -80
-81-81 -242
There is always a possibility that you will have such a bad losing stretch of bets that you keep dropping down levels until you get to the 5th or 6th level and then have an even worse run and lose 6 or 7 in a row, but this is so rare, it might be worth the gamble for some people that it won't happen often enough to wipe you out.
Thanks for asking the question. It gives me an opportunity to bring out the strengths and weaknesses of this progression. And believe me, every progression has its own strengths and weaknesses. None are foolproof.
This progression, in my humble opinion, gives us a very good chance to make some decent profits except for the very worst of situations.
This progression will not be for every one. But it's here for your consideration.
George
Quote from: GLC on Jul 25, 09:47 AM 2012
Level 1 = 1-1
Level 2 = 1-1 3-3
Level 3 = 1-1 3-3 9-9
Level 4 = 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27
Level 5 = 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81
Level 6 = 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81 243-243
Above W/L sequence:
L -1-1 =-2 Lose on 1st level -2
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 2nd level -1
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 2nd level -3
L -3-3 = -6 Lose on 2nd bet of 2nd level -9
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 3rd level -8
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 3rd level -7
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 3rd level -6
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 3rd level -8
L -3-3 = -6 Lose on 2nd bet of 3rd level -14
W +9-9 = +9 Win on 3rd bet of 3rd level -5
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 3rd level -4
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 3rd level -6
W +3-3 = +3 Win on 2nd bet of 3rd level -3
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 3rd level -5
W +3-3 = +3 Win on 2nd bet of 3rd level -2
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 3rd level -4
L -3-3 = -6 Lose on 2nd bet of 3rd level -10
L -9-9 = -18 Lose on 3rd bet of 3rd level -28
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 4th level -30
W +3-3 = +3 Win on 2nd bet of 4th level -27
W +1-1 = +1 Win on 1st bet of 4th level -26
L -1-1 = -2 Lose on 1st bet of 4th level -28
This sequence had 10 wins and 12 losses which is a very bad run when betting double dozens. Normal W/L should have been 14 wins vs 8 losses. Never the less, we're only at -28 units and we just lost 4 in a row which, had you been playing per 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 would have put you down -80 units. -80 plus 10 units for the 10 wins we had = -70.
So, even though we are at -28, we're still way ahead of -70.
The real strength of the progression is if you're playing 1-1 3-3 9-9 27-27 81-81 and you happen to have a loss of 5 in a row or 6 in a row and you're on level 2. You would have the following:
-1-1 L 1st bet of level 2 -2
-3-3 L 2nd bet of level 2 -8
-1-1 L 1st bet of level 3 -10
-3-3 L 2nd bet of level 3 -16
-9-9 L 3rd bet of level 3 -34
Verses the normal progression for double dozens:
-1-1 -2
-3-3 -8
-9-9 -26
-27-27 -80
-81-81 -242
There is always a possibility that you will have such a bad losing stretch of bets that you keep dropping down levels until you get to the 5th or 6th level and then have an even worse run and lose 6 or 7 in a row, but this is so rare, it might be worth the gamble for some people that it won't happen often enough to wipe you out.
Thanks for asking the question. It gives me an opportunity to bring out the strengths and weaknesses of this progression. And believe me, every progression has its own strengths and weaknesses. None are foolproof.
This progression, in my humble opinion, gives us a very good chance to make some decent profits except for the very worst of situations.
This progression will not be for every one. But it's here for your consideration.
George
Yeah George. I know you are guru here on any progression. But in simple English it comes down to BBB factor in roulette..... BR,Balls and Belief. If one factor is missing you are screwed. You have to have enough BR and Balls to have Belief that you can avoid RFH. Still i think that flat betting is the way to go but of course not with double dozens ;D
Hey GLC,
while this progression seems safer than the normal 1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27,etc progression, I don't think it is. Look at the following example.
LLWLLLWLLLLWLLLWLLLLLLL
While the regular progression listed above would have won every step but the last, your stepped progression would have lost more. Just something I noticed.
MM
Quote from: mattymattz on Jul 25, 11:58 AM 2012
Hey GLC,
while this progression seems safer than the normal 1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27,etc progression, I don't think it is. Look at the following example.
LLWLLLWLLLLWLLLWLLLLLLL
While the regular progression listed above would have won every step but the last, your stepped progression would have lost more. Just something I noticed.
MM
Very true.
But, I can show you sequences where mine would have won more.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 25, 04:22 PM 2012
Very true.
But, I can show you sequences where mine would have won more.
I wouldn't doubt it :twisted:
hello warrior.
im playing this method with a 5 step progression playing the safe way waiting for a virtual loss on the line the to start betting.
i have a question about how you track/ play zero. i understand if it zero comes up it your betting progression you count it as a lost......but what i would like to know is how it is tracked after a loss has occured on the first line of betting...
primarily if zero was to land where you would be retracking for the first "dozens" column in a line
example
1a1b 2b3c 3c1b
2b3c
1a2c
0
here would you just record the zero and then record the next 3 spins? and just continue tracking as normal, and wait for the "second" dozen to come up in its places and then finish the last 3 steps of the progression?
or if zero comes up in this scenario,
1a1b 2b3c 3c1b
2b3c
1a0
also im fairly new to this and i just want to firmly understand your method so i dont run into scenario where im guessing what to do.
thanks
Hi Bcboilermaker.
I love this system!!
I only play the SAFE-WAY and cover EVERY bet with zero.
If zero appears in the first 2 virtual spins i ALWAYS reset and begin a new attack.
Hope this helps.
Dino.
Quote from: dino246 on Aug 28, 04:04 AM 2012
Hi Bcboilermaker.
I love this system!!
I only play the SAFE-WAY and cover EVERY bet with zero.
If zero appears in the first 2 virtual spins i ALWAYS reset and begin a new attack.
Hope this helps.
Dino.
yes that helps, thanks dino!
my original question was based on a 5 step progression , i wanted to know, was what to do, after a loss on the first line, then if i was continue tracking for new trigger to bet against a new line not being identical too the first losing line, but what to do if zero comes up in the position where a new line would start...... but based on your suggestion. i will strictly play two bets per line.... and if a loss occurs... i will just retrack for another two step progression with unit a higher unit value and try to recoup my losses that way....
also i always cover zero as well. seems to make up more ground that way with less set backs
thanks again :)
Quote from: GLC on Jul 25, 04:22 PM 2012
Very true.
But, I can show you sequences where mine would have won more.
GLC you should throw this into the notepad for further analysis and comments...
I've got 32 live spins recorded here, any chance you could put your system to the test and do a step by step of how I would have bet it?
You can take this to a new thread if you wish....
14
3
22
1
33
26
16
15
27
5
7
32
33
10
1
18
22
30
30
14
6
2
13
8
34
31
20
13
7
11
24
30
:thumbsup:
Wow warrior!
Played around with this for months way back- just seen this thread. Couldn't make it work due to the repeats playing an original 1-3-9-27. Tried alsorts. even creating more dozens to bet on. Wiil check all this thread. Thanks man.
Woods
crafty... :yawn:
Hi Subby.
I make those 32 spins = 7U profit.
Cheers.
Dino.
Subby.
Playing those 32 spins the SAFE-WAY would = no qualifying bets !!
Hope this all helps.
Dino.
no qualifying bets? wow...that's about an hour of live play for nothing then :/
I don't want to go off on a tangent, would you mind another thread so I can pick your brains Dino?
Subby.
No problem to pick my brains !!
Most important STAT with this system is that NO ONE on this thread has reported 2 losing games on the bounce unless i have missed a post that says it has !!
Check-out my 2 replies # 74 page 5, # 80 page 6.
Cheers.
Dino.
i lost 3 in a row before now :thumbsup:
Hi 6th-sense.
Was zero involved in those 3 loses ?
Dino.
nope it was probably the worst timing at the time i did send warrior a few pics of my results at the time....i don,t think it has happened to anyone else and its still by far the best matrix method on here in my opinion
Out of interest, were the 3 loses on the SAME dozen or MIXED on the bounce.
I agree with you THIS matrix concept has made the most profit for me so far with a small-risk buy-in, playing the safe-way.
it was all on the same dozen .... >:(
AND.......ALSO..........playing the safe-way !!!! ???? ( please say no ).
lol yes but on the plus side its not happened again :D and is still fantastic i was always recommending it and stand behind warrior on it...best matrix system on here
Great to learn more about a system from negatives and positives and to know how other members of this forum are STILL playing a particular system.
We should all keep reporting back on a special thread what profit/loss we achieve on a system as an ongoing thank-you to all the hard work members like Warrior given us.
Cheers.
Dino.
Quote from: 6th-sense on Aug 29, 04:52 PM 2012
i lost 3 in a row before now :thumbsup:
So you lost 3 times in a row 1,3.9 progression including one virtual loss? It means 12 double dozen bets lost in a row. That's a very bad luck. 3.6 in 1M odds. >:( The most i have ever had was 9. Back to back losses have odds of 1 in 4k. But what matters is overall strike rate unless you increase your stakes after a lost progression to recover quicker. Do you still play it? And Dino what are your stats?
Have any of you ever tried playing double dozens per Oscar's Grind progression?
Start off betting 1-1 as long as you win. After a loss, continue to bet 1-1 until another win then increase to 2-2. If you win and haven't recovered to a new high or at least back to even increase to 3-3. Never increase more than is necessary to win +1. As soon as you hit a new profit, reset to 1-1.
If you win and increase to 2-2 and then lose, you just stay at 2-2 until the next win.
Anytime we win after our 1st loss, we add 1 more unit to both dozens and any time we lose we stay at the same bet amount. We never increase to more than is needed to win +1.
A safety brake is to set a recovery level at -1 unit for every 3 spins that you're in the hole. That means that if you have had a pretty bad run of luck and have been in the hole for 20 spins, if you get back to 20 divided by 3 = 7, so when you reach -7 or better, you could take the loss and reset to 1-1. Anything to get back to 1-1 as quickly as possible.
If you want to play for smaller unit sizes, you could play a little more aggressively by remaining at the same bet amount after each loss and increasing by 2 units on each dozen after a win. This will require a larger bankroll but it will recover with fewer wins. A streak of 5 or 6 wins in a row will recover from a pretty bad losing streak.
Of course every method has a killer sequence. Any time we're playing Oscar's Grind method, WLLWLLWLLWLWLWLLWL that's the killer sequence. Hopefully it won't continue very long since we have almost a 2:1 chance to Win over Losses, but all things are possible.
Please, set a stop loss. I suggest 200 unit buy-in with a 20 unit win target.
If you really like this progression, you could go all the way to 1000 unit buy-in with a 100 unit win target. Playing for dimes that's only a $100 buy-in.
GLC
Quote from: GLC on Aug 30, 01:06 AM 2012
Have any of you ever tried playing double dozens per Oscar's Grind progression?
Start off betting 1-1 as long as you win. After a loss, continue to bet 1-1 until another win then increase to 2-2. If you win and haven't recovered to a new high or at least back to even increase to 3-3. Never increase more than is necessary to win +1. As soon as you hit a new profit, reset to 1-1.
If you win and increase to 2-2 and then lose, you just stay at 2-2 until the next win.
Anytime we win after our 1st loss, we add 1 more unit to both dozens and any time we lose we stay at the same bet amount. We never increase to more than is needed to win +1.
A safety brake is to set a recovery level at -1 unit for every 3 spins that you're in the hole. That means that if you have had a pretty bad run of luck and have been in the hole for 20 spins, if you get back to 20 divided by 3 = 7, so when you reach -7 or better, you could take the loss and reset to 1-1. Anything to get back to 1-1 as quickly as possible.
If you want to play for smaller unit sizes, you could play a little more aggressively by remaining at the same bet amount after each loss and increasing by 2 units on each dozen after a win. This will require a larger bankroll but it will recover with fewer wins. A streak of 5 or 6 wins in a row will recover from a pretty bad losing streak.
Of course every method has a killer sequence. Any time we're playing Oscar's Grind method, WLLWLLWLLWLWLWLLWL that's the killer sequence. Hopefully it won't continue very long since we have almost a 2:1 chance to Win over Losses, but all things are possible.
Please, set a stop-loss. I suggest 200 unit buy-in with a 20 unit win target.
If you really like this progression, you could go all the way to 1000 unit buy-in with a 100 unit win target. Playing for dimes that's only a $100 buy-in.
GLC
Hi GLC,
Yeah I used to use oscars on double dozens. Never used to have much luck. Like you say def need a stop-loss. Always get to a certain point where just not going to recover.
Just want to add that wasnt on this system though.
Muppetman, I'm hoping the safety brake on the progression and the excellent strike rate on the system can help not have a blow out too often.
We know we will hit our stop loss every now and then, just not too often.
GLC
You are quite right GLC. Played a little last night and oscars seems to do well with this. Even played another prgression alongside it suggested by robeenhunt ( up 2 on a loss and down 1 on a win ) and oscars was only 1 or 2 units behind on a number of occassions and definitely safer.
What kind of stop loss would you use with oscars? I have been playing around with a Target of say 3 units and a stop loss of -20. Once you surpass 3 you move the stop loss to 3 and keep going. Example. YOu get to plus 5 ahead and have a loss taking you back to 3 you just pick up and leave. Only problem is that with the double chips lost on a loss you can hit that and surpass it pretty quick. What do you think?
Oscars Grind is counted as very safe. It may bust once in 5000, if you run without stop/loss and use a bankroll the table limit. The loss will be very large, you will be lucky if you will win it before it happens.
With a stop/loss you will lose more often, but smaller, or if the bankroll can't take, it will be lost.
I do not recommend it without a bankroll of 2000, and then use chip value suited to your game budget.
20 Euro is the lowest possible. I may sounds small, but if the play work out well it will add up to double the bankroll rather fast.
If you are very high in the stakes, and you are in a save or lose all situation, skip the rule of just win one this time at the last trial add the rest of the bankroll. You are bust or you have got more than one units.
It can come to insane situations, you have 2000 units on risk, and if you not lose them, you get 1 units.
In the picture is a hard run,the units are 5 Euro, and it was more than 1300 units back, the target to win 5 Euro, I skipped and at the last bet I went back and got 65.11. If I should lose that bet, the stake should not make a difference.
It should be better to have taken a loss of 100 Euro far before. 100 Euro could be recouped in 20 new sessions probably not such as this. 2000 units is hard to recover.
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Quote from: MuppetMan on Aug 31, 12:19 AM 2012
You are quite right GLC. Played a little last night and oscars seems to do well with this. Even played another prgression alongside it suggested by robeenhunt ( up 2 on a loss and down 1 on a win ) and oscars was only 1 or 2 units behind on a number of occassions and definitely safer.
What kind of stop-loss would you use with oscars? I have been playing around with a Target of say 3 units and a stop-loss of -20. Once you surpass 3 you move the stop-loss to 3 and keep going. Example. YOu get to plus 5 ahead and have a loss taking you back to 3 you just pick up and leave. Only problem is that with the double chips lost on a loss you can hit that and surpass it pretty quick. What do you think?
MM,
I think it's a waste of time to set too low a stop-loss. In my opinion 20 units is too low for a progression like this one.
In one of my posts above in this topic, I suggested a buy-in/stop-loss of 200 units. I think that gives us enough time to ride the ups and downs and get back on top before losing 200 units. If we set a win target of 10 or 20, we give ourselves a chance.
We should hit that quite often and m
ost of the time we will win our target. A little luck doesn't hurt in staying ahead of our losses.There's nothing magical about this bet progression. It's just an option that may fit some people's playing style better than other methods.
An important part of it is the safety brake. This can be tweaked to suit your temperament also. I suggested -1 for 3 spins, but you could use 2 spins or even 4 spins.
It's based on the idea that most of the time we will win our target quite easily but every now and then we will get in a real battle. If we end the battle a little wounded instead of killed, we can stay in the game. Once we're killed, as F_LAT_INO reminds us, we're toast.
One of systems I get this idea from is called half peak. The author of half peak suggests that any time we get in the hole a certain amount, let's say 50 units or more, if we recover at least 1/2 of those units, we end that attack, take the loss and re-set back to 1.
There's a lot of wisdom in this safety brake idea. It has to do the with "tax" we have to pay periodically to play the game. That's why I suggest only considering 5%-10% of our winnings as actual winnings (I know this is wishful thinking. It's for psychological purposes only). This is particularly true when using a steep progression because we will hit the end of our progression and have to give most of our winnings (or all, or more than all) back. This can be devastating because we are counting all our won units as ours which just ain't so unless you're willing to walk out of the casino with them in your pocket and never return, ever! Then and only then are they all yours.
GLC
Is there any guy playing the hybrid dc4 yet ?
did it fall?
Regards
Hi Everyone,
I am new to this forum. I have been reading about Warrior method and noticed
some were asking about if we only had a strong progression. I have a progression sequence
that you can ending up having more loses then wins and still come up ahead. I can show
this to to anyone who is interested and if anyone can take the time to show me exactly how
warrior method works as I am a little confused. Maybe a video showing it or one on one
so I can see. I think if there is a better progression it will work out better.
Having read up on this topic over the past few days, and carried out some online live play in the UK, this seems a very solid system, although, if you are playing the safe way it can be a bit of a grind, which I'm all in favour of if it wins :) anybody still playing this?