HI,
I ve been following this forum for awhile and I admit they are many interesting posts and members. I simply enjoyed here.
here a system came to my mind recently and its doing fine at the moment!
its based on law of the third but with a twist.
notations:
I note 1 for doz 1 and 2 for doz 2 and 3 for doz 3.
idem for columns we A is 1 and B is 2 and C is 3 , this makes it easy for this system. you will see why later.
we track 24 spins , we dnt write the numbers but we write them this way :
we make a column witch has 1st number corresponds to dozens and second number corresponds to columns :
DZCL
suppose number 20 hits first spin , owr DZCL table looks like this:
as 20 is in 2nd doz and 2 column we write 22!
second spin was number 9: 1st doz 3rd column means : 13
DZCL
22
13
etc..
here is my first session:
on the left are the 24 spins , and the right are the spins from 25 to 37 those we bet on.
after the 24 spins we write a table that count how many couple (22 etc ..) hits we have 9 possible couples :
1st doz 1st col means 11 in our notation
1st doz 2nd col means 12 in our notation
..
until
3rd doz 3rd column means 33
when we count them from the 24 spins below it gives us this table:
11 12 13 21 22 23 31 32 33
4 3 4 3 3 2 0 2 2
means 1st doz 1st col hits 4 times we write 4 under :11
3dz 1col didnt hit at all! we write 0 under : 31
etc
22 21
13 13
23 12
11 23
11 32
11 11
22 13
32 12
12 31
13 12
21 32
33 33
12 33
21
33
11
22
23
12
12
21
13
13
32
now we bet all the quads ( 4 numbers) that belongs to the ones which hits only twice , in our session we have : 23 , 32 and 33 on that table that hit twice.
beting on 23 means we flat bet the number intersection in the 2nd doz and 3rd col which means numbers: 15,18,21,24
idem for 32 key gives numbers: 26 29 32 and 35
and 33 key means numbers on the 3rd dz 3rd col : 27 , 30, 33 and 36.
as we see the table become like this when we finished our beting from spin 25 to spin 37 :
11 12 13 21 22 23 31 32 33
4 3 4 3 3 2 0 2 2
1 3 2 1 0 1 1 2 2
we see that all our key numbers came again.
during the bet you can stop after u reached your goal win or continue untill 37th spin.
after we reset and restart again.
this is 2nd session :
--------------2ND SESSION
11 12 13 21 22 23 31 32 33
2 0 2 5 3 3 4 5 0
1 1 3 2 0 1 0 3 0
22 23
11 32
32 32
32 32
23 13
21 13
22 11
32 13
21 21
21 21
21 12
13 23
23
11
32
31
32
23
31
21
22
31
31
13
as you see in the second session we bet only on the table keys : 11 and 13 as they came twice .
to remind you , key 11 means numbers that are in the 1st doz AND 1st col : 1,4,7 and 10
does anybody tested this system I posted?
just
I just now saw it. Must have gotten lost under a pile of codes.
Truly, this is unique to me. I certainly will give it space for examination in the ol' brain. You wrote this very clearly.
I'ts very early and I'm still mostly asleep, but I'll get right on it.
Thanks for your work.
TwoCatSam
(Thought I was going to shut-up for a while, but this is way too interesting!)
OK, just, work with me here....
Taking your second example, would I start betting on spin 25 for all three quads to hit at the same time? I am betting 12 numbers, right? Now,do I quit on a hit or continue until I've made it through spin 37? Or is that my option?
This is very exciting and the forum SHOULD flock over here and test this idea. (hint hint)
Sam
hi Sam!
thank you for your feedback!
yes after 24 spins you start betting all the quands which qualify ( 2 hits in last 24 spins)
I think better to stop betting after a profit, then reset after thos 12 spins, new cycle start at spin 37 and fill a new table.
in the second session only two quands qualified : 11 and 13
it means only 8 numbers, which you can just split them if small bankroll! 4 units is enough !
regards
OK, so you would not have to totally re-track from spin #1, you would start a new line at spin #14. Then, after you had the rest of your 24 (13) and your bets (13) you would have a new line to bet on.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11
The black spins are your first trot. Your second trot begins with spin 14. 14=1 Then, when you are finished with your 13 bets, you will have added 13 to the red line for a total of 24. Time to bet again.
I think I got it right this time.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 26, 07:02 AM 2012
My whole post was wrong. Look for a new one.
thats what I thought :)
See the edit above you
Can you see that if a new player playing your system sat down and recorded your spin #14 as his spin #1, you would both be right, so you might as well be right along with him and save time?
But how does the law of the third figure in?
Sam
thats right sam if you wanna play that way, but for me its just convenient to wait untill the 37 cycle finish and start a new fresh cycle with new set of numbers!
as for the law of the third, it was analogical thinking with the original law of the thrid, wait for double hit number, I replaced the number with quands for more chances, coz I noticed it hits often his neighbors in table often.
There is no good approach 2 utilize law of the third in roulette.... Why? Go back to school and enroll in statistics course ;D It will save you a lot of money.
Rob
They haven't let me back in school since I turned the skunk lose in the cafeteria....
So why not just tell us why it won't work?
Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Sam
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 26, 09:28 AM 2012
There is no good approach 2 utilize law of the third in roulette.... Why? Go back to school and enroll in statistics course ;D It will save you a lot of money.
did you read what I wrote ?
or your job is just to attack any poster and any system in the forum? If you cant come up with a system or an idea so thats your problem mate.
as for statistics I ve studied it before even you were born, I can teach it to you if you miss some points.
whats your qualifications to judge people that you dnt even know?
regards,
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 26, 10:04 AM 2012
Rob
They haven't let me back in school since I turned the skunk lose in the cafeteria....
So why not just tell us why it won't work?
Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
Sam
Sam
It might work but not because its based on law of the 3rd, law of big numbers, regression to the mean etc. This concepts don't work in roulette - they only benefit casinos because they are based on large number of trials and we both know that the longer you stay in casino...
Regards
Ithink every system needs a fair chance plain and simple test test test then make up your mind.
OK
Quote from: justanothergambler on May 26, 10:14 AM 2012
did you read what I wrote ?
or your job is just to attack any poster and any system in the forum? If you can't come up with a system or an idea so that's your problem mate.
as for statistics I ve studied it before even you were born, I can teach it to you if you miss some points.
what's your qualifications to judge people that you dnt even know?
regards,
How do you know my age? :D
Quote from: warrior on May 26, 10:18 AM 2012
Ithink every system needs a fair chance plain and simple test test test then make up your mind.
Yes my friend. But if you read my post i only claim that there is no successful system based on law of the 3rd. But some successful scientific discoveries were made on wrong assumption ;D
Relax everybody
Regards
rob, no one argue with that! if there is any good system then casino business are already doesnt exist even this forum wouldnt exist.
and thsi system I post only for testing , I didnt say here is the holy grail!
the system are made just to minimise the gamblers ruin. you win some and loose some..
Quote:
There are lies, , there are darnn lies, and there are statistics but those are the worst kind of them all. >>>> Disraeli, English statesman.1804-1881
Quote from: justanothergambler on May 26, 01:18 PM 2012
rob, no one argue with that! if there is any good system then casino business are already doesn't exist even this forum wouldnt exist.
and thsi system I post only for testing , I didn't say here is the holy grail!
the system are made just to minimise the gamblers ruin. you win some and lose some..
Thats cool. Welcome 2 d forum. Any new ideas r always welcome here n dont take any criticism personally. ;D
Quote from: Tamino on May 26, 01:59 PM 2012
>>>> Disraeli, English statesman.1804-1881
"
Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics) to bolster weak arguments (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument). It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point.
The term was popularised in the United States by Mark Twain (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain) (among others), who attributed it to the 19th-century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Disraeli) (1804â€"1881): "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." However, the phrase is not found in any of Disraeli's works and the earliest known appearances were years after his death. Other coiners have therefore been proposed.
neat idea - thanks.
Hello and thanks for posting . . .
I too love to test out new ideas and have attached an excel tool for you to test out this "Dozums" system. I just made up this name as I needed something to call this spreadsheet.
This tracking tool has a built in RNG so all you need do is press Function Key F9 to get another 37 spins and post the results.
Your current system bets after you have (2) matches in the first 24 spins. I put in a variable so you can also test for other matches, like 1,3,4 etc.
I also put in a "Profit Target" and "Stop Loss" variables so you can test out which ones are the best.
I too, like MattyMatz did a quick 50 session test and was up 300 units using a Profit Target of 12 and a Stop Loss of 24.
Enjoy . . . and keep the ideas flowing . . . Nick
thanx matty and nick!
nick thats a great file , is there a way that can select the betting numbers automatically?
in my behalf im trying to code in java, like an applet that be run from any browser.. I will figure it out !
regards,
Nick
Are you using 2 in the top box?
What do you know? Something that looks extremely promising on an RNG with continuous play. You'd think the flock would flock over here.
Thanks to both you gents!
Sam
"nick that's a great file , is there a way that can select the betting numbers automatically?"
Are you referring to web scraping the numbers so a bot can bet them? If so, there is a free tool by
Victor that captures the numbers. I believe you can get it at
roulettesoftware.cc
Sam . . . Yes I am using 2 in the top box "Input Number of Repeats". But you can change that to whatever you want to try, like after 1 or 3 repeats.
I am going to test out other variations, like instead of betting every numberset that has 2 matches, maybe bet all numbersets that get to 2 matches in the 24-37 spin range, and/or betting the 2 matches only one time.
Don't forget, you can delete the RNG numbers in Column B and then manually enter numbers if you wish to use this with real numbers or with on line Casinos.
Nick
Don't forget, you can delete the RNG numbers in Column B and then manually enter numbers if you wish to use this with real numbers or with on line Casinos.
Ha! on Sam......
I just logged in to report this to the other users.
Sam
Sam . . .I understand completely, we senior citizens are a step slow but remember what I tell my sons and grandsons, "Old Age and Treachery always overcomes youth and skill"
Enjoy the Memorial Weekend . . .
Nick
Attached is another spreadsheet with a tweaked method.
This spreadsheet shows simultaneously both methods as they use the same RNG numbers so you compare both methods with the same numbers.
The original method called for betting all groups that had 2 matches at spin 24 and continue to bet just those groups until spin 37.
The tweaked method bets all groups that achieve 2 matches or more (or whatever matches you put in the "Input Number of Repeats" even if they achieve it after spin 24.
I left the default for the tweaked method at "4" because this showed the most initial success.
Unfortunately I don't have the time to do a more detailed test, but if any of you wish to test both methods and advise if one is any better or not, we would appreciate it.
Enjoy . . . Nick
thank you Nick for your great job! the tweacked looks interesting !
I will try it out .
im still with java things :)
for adapting to original law of the 1/3m and for faster play and tracking I suggest playing this way:
as we are playing sets of 4s, track only last 6 spins, bet on qualified quads for next 3 or 4 spins , you might bet for 6 spins in continuous play and at same time track the qualified quads.
cheers,
Attached tracker program for your Continuous Dozums. This system now boils down to a basic repeater system, waiting for the repeat event to occur.
One of the keys to a repeating system is when to stop betting for the repeat to occur? You suggest 3-4 or 6 spins. I put in a variable so you can test out all of the possible scenarios.
I did not track on the 24 spin as by that time you will have profited or loss.
One of the reason I like to test this system is because it is based on a “non-standard†number set.
A standard number set is Line #1 = 1-6, Line #2 =7-12 or Dozen # 1 = 1-2, or Street # 1 = 1-3, etc.
Finales can be considered a “non standard†number set, Finales # 1 = 0,10,20,30, Finales # 2 = 1,11,21,31 etc (all have the same last digit).
The number set that this system uses is what I call the “Ninesâ€. There are nine sets of 4 numbers.
Nine # 1 = 1,4,7,10, Nine # 2 = 2,5,8,11, etc.
I think the use of non standard number sets is a potential avenue to be explored.
Enjoy . . . Nick
thank you nick !
and yes I agree about the non-standards issue. I took down to 6 because I noticed in 24 spins many quands repeats up to 7 times, this way we could profit from that trend.
I think every player has preference when it comes when to stop, I usually stop after a profit in a a cycle but sometime you feel just continue betting until cycle finish.. I really cant give a concrete answer for that specific question.
This is similar to something Turbo Genius showed on his website.
9 groups isnt enough to show law of the 3rd. law of the third works better the more groups you have. So you may as well develop something for street bets (12 isnt enough). its on the betting layout same as your idea (Turbos idea) but has more groups and can be utilised easier visually.