I have played a certain casino quite a few times and watch the numbers on the wheel. Then I notice certain groups of numbers come up a lot, but when I start playing them, they refuse to hit. When I have to use the restroom, I hurry up so only 1 number has a chance to hit and it's my number. It happened 5 or 6 times like that over the course of a few months. Then I get back to the table and start playing those numbers again and they refuse to hit. Now I'm thinking someone up in security is having a huge laugh watching me in the camera. And they manipulate it so my number hits when I'm gone. Also, those boards that light up previous numbers are almost always incorrect. Sometimes it shows 10 reds in a row and people who haven't played at the table place a large amount on black, when in fact black hit only 1 or 2 spins beforehand.
One time, I was playing only one number and the ball stopped over my number like it was super glued and spun around the wheel like 12 times directly over my number as if it were about to drop it and for no reason popped out and went into another number.
Sometimes I feel like the casino is cheating. Do you ever feel that way?
No, but I have a sneaky feeling that my wife might be cheating... :'(
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Sometimes I feel like the casino is cheating. Do you ever feel that way?
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--all local casinos,without reputation,cheat.Iassure you of that
couse I know it for a fact.Bought a device/from member from this forum/
which shows me if the wheel is OK,and to my surprise 90% are rigged.
In other words they are running it from the control room as they pleased.
Quote from: Skakus on May 17, 02:47 AM 2012
No, but I have a sneaky feeling that my wife might be cheating... :'(
Does she own any casinos? ;D
Quote from: Bayes on May 17, 07:21 AM 2012
Does she own any casinos? ;D
Actually, yes. So I guess FreeRoulette's answer is yes. :o
That was absolutely hilarious. I laughed so hard I cried. Lol
would like to know more on that program vile?.....best thing i ever saw was on william hill where the dealer spun the wheel..it stopped dead on a quarter turn.....just like that...pit boss came over and started using the mouse..which incedently is not on show any more...he spun the wheel again but it stopped at half turn this time...again he was looking up at the camera we view the table from as i presume they have a monitor there as thats where the dealers look up to see your messages...again the wheel was spun...two revolutions then stopped dead...uproar about magnets under the wheel from messages posted...totally ignored of course....next time he messed with the mouse the wheel spun normally..no wheel should stop dead after a spin.......fixed definatley..but we all still play ...
Quoteand to my surprise 90% are rigged.
In other words they are running it from the control room as they pleased
Quotehe spun the wheel again but it stopped at half turn this time...again he was looking up at the camera we view the table from as i presume they have a monitor there as that's where the dealers look up to see your messages...again the wheel was spun...two revolutions then stopped dead...uproar about magnets under the wheel from messages posted...totally ignored of course....next time he messed with the mouse the wheel spun normally..no wheel should stop dead after a spin.......fixed definatley..but we all still play
If you think about it, it would be very easy for them to have some sort of brake system so they can reduce the speed of the wheel themselves, mechanicaly very simple to do, they could easily determine where they want the ball to land, in which sector obviousley not as accurate as to pick a specific number, but they could do that too if they wanted to.
It's funny how over the last 6 months, live wheels have started to produce bad runs, some worse than ever seen on an RNG game, makes you think, doesn't it
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There is often the appearance the wheel is doing something fishy. Did you ever notice that it is always when the wheel is beating you? I've never heard anyone complain about eleven reds in a row when they were betting red.
The wheel/RNG just does what it does. You/I then interpret what we saw.
I really don't think they cheat. You can see the boogeyman behind every tree if you look for him.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 17, 11:06 AM 2012
There is often the appearance the wheel is doing something fishy. Did you ever notice that it is always when the wheel is beating you? I've never heard anyone complain about eleven reds in a row when they were betting red.
The wheel/RNG just does what it does. You/I then interpret what we saw.
I really don't think they cheat. You can see the boogeyman behind every tree if you look for him.
Sam
2 err is human. To blame it on somebody else is more human.... ;D
i,m not blaming them if i lose or if i win...but i saw what i saw with my own eyes...
6th- Looks like they might be able get away with it because they operate in Latvia? The "baby Doll" dealers do their part in distracting the players focus on the wheel.
I also notice that the ball runs across the wheel inside the numbers a lot and a long way too?
I haven't seen that so much elsewhere?
Also Steves canvassing for info. on William Hill as there's a possiblity of WH advertising on these forums?
I'm certain he'd be interested to learn about what you saw 6th?
Quote from: 6th-sense on May 17, 07:53 AM 2012
... fixed definatley..but we all still play .
Quite wrong on both counts.
Cheating is a last resort. But they never cheat the very-few rich who play.
--I could name here about 180 rigged casinos/names,addresses,cities/ in about
25 EU countries which I have visited in last 2 years,and only several that are not,
but these things are not for forums,not to spread info further to others.
Just be cautious when you visit these local casinos....that's all.
Vile - What do you know/think about William Hill in Latvia?
Quote from: FreeRoulette on May 17, 02:28 AM 2012
I have played a certain casino quite a few times and watch the numbers on the wheel. Then I notice certain groups of numbers come up a lot, but when I start playing them, they refuse to hit. When I have to use the restroom, I hurry up so only 1 number has a chance to hit and it's my number. It happened 5 or 6 times like that over the course of a few months. Then I get back to the table and start playing those numbers again and they refuse to hit. Now I'm thinking someone up in security is having a huge laugh watching me in the camera. And they manipulate it so my number hits when I'm gone. Also, those boards that light up previous numbers are almost always incorrect. Sometimes it shows 10 reds in a row and people who haven't played at the table place a large amount on black, when in fact black hit only 1 or 2 spins beforehand.
One time, I was playing only one number and the ball stopped over my number like it was super glued and spun around the wheel like 12 times directly over my number as if it were about to drop it and for no reason popped out and went into another number.
Sometimes I feel like the casino is cheating. Do you ever feel that way?
Ask yourself this question. If there is a table with 10 people all playing on different parts of the layout. One of those players has 50 units on number 7 and someone has 2 units on Dozen 2. Who are they likely to cheat against?? A players greed can often put them in more trouble than just against random itself. The smart way to go about it, is snatch a win here and a win there then go off the radar. Dont make a noise. Come in get your profit then go. Do that and you will only have to worry about random. Which as we know is enough to be dealing with anyhow.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 17, 11:06 AM 2012
There is often the appearance the wheel is doing something fishy. Did you ever notice that it is always when the wheel is beating you? I've never heard anyone complain about eleven reds in a row when they were betting red.
The wheel/RNG just does what it does. You/I then interpret what we saw.
I really don't think they cheat. You can see the boogeyman behind every tree if you look for him.
Sam
Well said, we feel the world is against us when we are losing. I've seen players baying for the dealers head on a plate because they can't believe the ball landed on evens 17 times in a row for example. Such players don't have a clue about randoms ebb and flow. The breakdown of the results for the methods I use tell me theres nothing fishy going on where ive played including Latvia 6th sense. Only players who have poor methods and even poorer judgement losing over the long run as they are expected to. Will whinge its a fix.
But like I said even if there was a dodgy casino they will cheat against the loud greedy foolish players not the quite unasuming ones who are barely there for 10 minutes laying small bets..
Playing for 10 min.....?????
When you travel round looking for a correct wheel,
spending lot of dough on fuel,food,hotels...then you
come there to refund these and win some more.
But you quite right about other things said.
Avoid playing in small private local casinos,
Poland,Chec.rep.,Slovakia,Latvia,Ungary,Romania,
Bulgaria,Serbia,Macedonia,Bosnia,Croatia,Monte Negro,
casinos on borders of Slovenia/Austria,Slovenia/Italy,
Italy/Austria,Slovenia/Croatia,Austria/Chec.rep.,
Poland/Germany.
Just saw this on Dublin.
How often do you see 5 4 3 2 in perfect order?
Sam
The fact all casinos have unfair payouts in their games makes them dishonest by nature.
That said, it is very important for bettors to do their research: reputations of casinos, what other gamblers say about a casino and how they were treated. This way even if you lose you feel you lost fairly.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 17, 03:10 PM 2012
Just saw this on Dublin.
How often do you see 5 4 3 2 in perfect order?
Sam
I tried to make a system using that theory as how often does it happen. And lets just say rather often.
we should agree to disagree jl...i didn,t say i was losing or whinging...i just stated upon the evidence i saw with the wheel stopping as it did and starting and stopping?...nothing was mentioned about me losing or blaming some god or a dodgy dealer..just the wheel....if a wheel stops dead like that there has to be a reason....the reason is not someone playing badly if that was the case every wheel in the world would stop....it was not a hallucination....just stating a simple obvervation.....players do winge and blame everthing apart from themselves..i,m not one of them the buck rest with me..
i,ve also seen it quite a few times the order of numbers coming out not 4 in a row but 3....also seen 18 reds and blacks at varied points come out in a row nothing unusual...i,ve seen things that ive bet on amaze me coming in constantly...but never ever a wheel stop like that...
i,m not a winger jl i,m a worker
2 cat - Yes it shows what can come up. What are the odds of that and what are the odds of it occuring again this year?
I was playing Smart Live live dealer last week and 6 orphans came up in a row. The numbers were 9R, 6B, 14R, 20B, 17B & 14R. What are the odds on that one? The dealer bird got excited about it?
I didn't because I wasn't on any of them.
Quote from: vile on May 17, 03:01 PM 2012
Playing for 10 min.....?????
When you travel round looking for a correct wheel,
spending lot of dough on fuel,food,hotels...then you
come there to refund these and win some more.
But you quite right about other things said.
Avoid playing in small private local casinos,
Poland,Chec.rep.,Slovakia,Latvia,Ungary,Romania,
Bulgaria,Serbia,Macedonia,Bosnia,Croatia,Monte Negro,
casinos on borders of Slovenia/Austria,Slovenia/Italy,
Italy/Austria,Slovenia/Croatia,Austria/Chec.rep.,
Poland/Germany.
Hello,
I'm from Slovenia, and I'm interested, what do you mean with above, I'm not playing any BM rouelette here in Slovenia, altough I have quite a few here 10 minutes away. I only play live online and BV... so far my bankroll is around zero.... So are you saying that BM roulette in Slovenia are cheating... just intrested if I go and play BM live....
Happy spinning
Jani
ausguy
I actually don't know what an "orphan" is!! I have never studied the "racetrack".
Anyway, I just thought it was an oddity. If it had hit one, then zero I feel my computer would have blasted off!
TCS
Quote from: 6th-sense on May 17, 03:24 PM 2012
we should agree to disagree jl...i didn,t say i was losing or whinging...i just stated upon the evidence i saw with the wheel stopping as it did and starting and stopping?...nothing was mentioned about me losing or blaming some God or a dodgy dealer..just the wheel....if a wheel stops dead like that there has to be a reason....the reason is not someone playing badly if that was the case every wheel in the world would stop....it was not a hallucination....just stating a simple obvervation.....players do winge and blame everthing apart from themselves..I'm not one of them the buck rest with me..
I've also seen it quite a few times the order of numbers coming out not 4 in a row but 3....also seen 18 reds and blacks at varied points come out in a row nothing unusual...I've seen things that I've bet on amaze me coming in constantly...but never ever a wheel stop like that...
I'm not a winger jl I'm a worker
Okay 6th sense I appologize if I read you wrong. I know of the live feeds you speak of. I've never felt cheated by them. They deliver for CODE 4, PATTERN BREAKER AND DIVIDE AND CONQUER just like any bricks and mortar casino I have been in. But I'm not there long enough anyhow as I opperate hit and run. Even if they were cheating I doubt theyd trouble me. They would oppose the biggest risk to their profit margin. Not a small fish like me. Anyone in danger of winning several hundred or even thousand in one spin would be their target. that's what anyone playing at these feeds should keep in mind. Its plain common sense. Get in and out quickly. And you can play your game and never be noticed.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 17, 06:08 PM 2012
Okay 6th sense I appologize if I read you wrong. I know of the live feeds you speak of. I've never felt cheated by them. They deliver for CODE 4, PATTERN BREAKER AND DIVIDE AND CONQUER just like any bricks and mortar casino I have been in. But I'm not there long enough anyhow as I opperate hit and run. Even if they were cheating I doubt theyd trouble me. They would oppose the biggest risk to their profit margin. Not a small fish like me. Anyone in danger of winning several hundred or even thousand in one spin would be their target. that's what anyone playing at these feeds should keep in mind. Its plain common sense. Get in and out quickly. And you can play your game and never be noticed.
Do you believe you can withdraw without being noticed?
Hit & Run Withdraw?
Quote from: ausguy on May 17, 01:53 PM 2012
Vile - What do you know/think about William Hill in Latvia?
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Its not William Hill.....its the same feed for most playtech casinos. To single out William Hill is not fair...
vundarosa
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 17, 06:08 PM 2012
Okay 6th sense I appologize if I read you wrong. I know of the live feeds you speak of. I've never felt cheated by them. They deliver for CODE 4, PATTERN BREAKER AND DIVIDE AND CONQUER just like any bricks and mortar casino I have been in. But I'm not there long enough anyhow as I opperate hit and run. Even if they were cheating I doubt theyd trouble me. They would oppose the biggest risk to their profit margin. Not a small fish like me. Anyone in danger of winning several hundred or even thousand in one spin would be their target. that's what anyone playing at these feeds should keep in mind. Its plain common sense. Get in and out quickly. And you can play your game and never be noticed.
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JL, i suspect you and 6th are not talking about the same feed...the feed for PaddyPower, Ladbrokes, Unibet is NOT the same as most Playtech casinos (William Hill, eurogrand, etc) even thou they both appear to operate from Latvia.
vundarosa
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 17, 06:08 PM 2012
Okay 6th sense I appologize if I read you wrong. I know of the live feeds you speak of. I've never felt cheated by them. They deliver for CODE 4, PATTERN BREAKER AND DIVIDE AND CONQUER just like any bricks and mortar casino I have been in. But I'm not there long enough anyhow as I opperate hit and run. Even if they were cheating I doubt theyd trouble me. They would oppose the biggest risk to their profit margin. Not a small fish like me. Anyone in danger of winning several hundred or even thousand in one spin would be their target. that's what anyone playing at these feeds should keep in mind. Its plain common sense. Get in and out quickly. And you can play your game and never be noticed.
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I don't think investing $80 to win $2 will earn you a living, or its worth the trouble, even if you do it your style 5x a day, 30 days a monht is but $300... now if you invest $800 then you're aiming to win $3000 a month and if they cheat you'll not get unoticed for that amount...people have felt cheated when playing for way less than that and they can cheat you in the very first bet you lay on the table.
vundarosa
If online roulette game is rigged then Casinos cheat on you.
If you are a steady winner Casinos can exert their right to ban you.
Ergo, they only welcome losers.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Quote from: tao2503 on May 17, 05:02 PM 2012
Hello,
I'm from Slovenia, and I'm interested, what do you mean with above, I'm not playing any BM rouelette here in Slovenia, altough I have quite a few here 10 minutes away. I only play live online and BV... so far my bankroll is around zero.... So are you saying that BM roulette in Slovenia are cheating... just intrested if I go and play BM live....
Happy spinning
Jani
--Only 2 casinos in Slovenia I could recommend you;
casino PERLA in Gorica
casino LIPICA in Sezana
All others avoid.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 17, 05:32 PM 2012
ausguy
I actually don't know what an "orphan" is!! I have never studied the "racetrack".
Anyway, I just thought it was an oddity. If it had hit one, then zero I feel my computer would have blasted off!
TCS
--Orphan=Orfanelli=9,31,14,20,1,17,34,6,=sides serial on EU table.
2cat- the race track, as you call, it is an alternative faster way to place bets on the 37 number Euro wheel. It mainly involves split bets. On many tables you see it there next to the main layout. Often they have radial lines from the centre that indicates the different zones.
Wikipedia has a full run down on it.
Basically the wheel is divided (unequally) into 3 parts. Naturally profit returns vary depending on the zone bet. It uses French words traditionally.
A feature of these bet arrangements is how many consecutive wheel numbers can be covered with split bets. This allows rapid bet placement.
Voisons is the top part from 22B to 25R including zero. 9 units covers 5 splits 1 cnr & 1 tri cnr 0,2
& 3. If the tri hits it gives 15 units profit all the rest pays at even money.
2cat, if you had of been playing this top section on those Dublin numbers, 5R loses 9 units, 4B would have returned you 9 units even money profit. 3R - 15 units profit. 2B - 15 units profit & IF zero did hit, like you mentioned, then that would give another 15 units profit.
Tiers is 12 numbers located around the 8B area at the bottom of the wheel. The bets are 6 x 1 units put on 6 splits. Any win gives 200% profit.
Orphans (Orphelins) is 2 pie like areas = 3 numbers at 3 o'clock zone & 5 numbers at 8 o'clock zone. Seperated from one another thus the Orphan tag. 5 Bets are 4 splits and 1R straight up. If that hits = 31 units profit & any split gives 13 units profit.
It was 6 spins back to back that dropped either in the pies of 3 numbers to right or the 5 numbers
to the left missing all the other 29 wheel numbers 6 times in a row in the process.
It must be rare because the dealer was amazed even at 5, so when the 6th dropped it seemed to make her day?
Thanks, gentlemen!
ausguy
I really appreciate the typing time!
Sam
--And there is another combo/which I often play/mixing orph.and small serial
all betting in splits,stealling 2,21,22,25 from Voisons,actually betting 25 numbers.
This bet I often applay when there are players on the table heavely punting on Voisons.
If interested can show.
Vile - Please do show your 25 number bet method. Also include how you bet and any progression.
I suppose if it was successful you'd always play it ?
Obviously you are past the even money return point and still are exposed to 12 unbet numbers.
What does what other punters bet positions have to do with the spin outcome ? That little white ball has no mind to decide what numbers to avoid ?
Quote from: ausguy on May 18, 03:15 PM 2012
What does what other punters bet positions have to do with the spin outcome ? That little white ball has no mind to decide what numbers to avoid ?
The ball has no mind, but croupier has >:D
Drazen
Quote from: ausguy on May 18, 03:15 PM 2012
Vile - Please do show your 25 number bet method. Also include how you bet and any progression.
I suppose if it was successful you'd always play it ?
Obviously you are past the even money return point and still are exposed to 12 unbet numbers.
What does what other punters bet positions have to do with the spin outcome ? That little white ball has no mind to decide what numbers to avoid ?
Drazen unswered your question.
22/23/24-street
5/6/8/9-quad
10/11/13/14
1/2
16/17
20/21
25/28
31/34
27/30
33/36
Most sessions this wins flat bet...you can stake it as you wish or suits your play.
If there is one thing I would wish for the game of roulette it would be to test and prove/disprove the theory of the dealer placing the ball within a certain sector of the wheel.
This is one of those things I would have to see to believe, but I'm always open to new things.
TCS
TCS
"Blessed who don't see and belive.."
I ll copy you one of my posts from some time ago. I have first hand story..
Few days ago i was playing in fun mode at dublinbet. There was no one at the table playing or standing in close to the tables. As the table on which i was playing, so as the other one. Only two of the dealers with no one else there. They were chatting and laughing in very relaxed mood. Suddenly dealer at the table i was playing made something very strange to me, because i have seen that for the first time. What happened? She (Renata) spun the ball as usual, and when bets closed, 1-2 rotations before the ball will land, she put her point-finger on the number 13 on the board. The number 27 came out. First neighbour to the 13. I was amazed, and momentarely told this to my friend F_LAT_INO. He explained that this is nothing strange. Very familiar to him from his 30 years career as a delaer. What is this about? When there is no one playing or standing at the table, sometimes dealers are betting for a drink between themselfs who will spun the closest number... "
And yes i know that from a man who can do that, that experineced dealers can hit number which they want (in reasonable high ratio of course), and not to tell about hitting specified sectors i.e 5-10 numbers. It is a joke to them.
And didn't you heard that delaers can have their own "players" and just because of that they are under VERY STRICT observations?
Regards
Drazen
Very possible 2cs..harder these days with new weels/balls
but still can be realised.Evidently you are on DB often....take
a close notice sometimes when a punter /usually China/starts
to bet Voisouns spin after a spin it either hits orfanellies or
small serial....seen this many times on DB...once 24 spins in
the row,untill the man waked away broke.Take notice.
Thanks for the replies.
I am on Dublin quite a bit and I will try to take notice.
Sam
I would follow the action. If any number in Voisins hits I would then bet Voisins plus 14/17/20 giving me 20 numbers.
Any hits in either Tiers or Orphelins I would bet Tiers and Orphelins. Also 20 numbers.
I am using this MO occasionally at the UK Smartlive casino but I am only allowed to play the FREE mode .( USA )
Tamino
a.k.a. N.D.
My experience in watching dealers spin is that most of them just concentrate on varying the spins to achieve a reasonable spread of results. That's what they're trained to do.
Also regular dealer changes is also done to maintain randomness.
Most dealers spin up and do other things then look at the wheel. It's only near when the ball is about to drop that they switch back on and call no more bets.
For most it's just a job and it gets pretty monotonous day in and day out. They get the same pay whether they make heaps for the casino or "cause" large payouts.
Some dealers may rotate to cards or other during their shift but over say a year they put in a lot of spins. Also late night shifts are they same in any job as the natural body cycle reduces alertness.
My view is that a dealer can't zone spins at will ? Vile & Drazen look to have the opposite view.
Vile mentioned previously that he bet alternatively to players betting around the top (zero) end of the wheel. The inference being that he considered that the dealer could zone the spins to the bottom section.
To do that consistantly in both directions would need the same wheel speed and the same ball speed ? While possible zoning could backfire on the casino by alert players reading the play & betting big in the drop zone area. Our good friend dealer signature.
Casinos do ok from randomness, after all only one number can win on any table + outside bets.
All the rest of the chips are shovelled down the chute, mostly more than the pay outs in my rough counts and for sure looking at the official profit reports.
Quote from: ausguy on May 18, 04:53 PM 2012
My experience in watching dealers spin is that most of them just concentrate on varying the spins to achieve a reasonable spread of results. That's what they're trained to do.
Also regular dealer changes is also done to maintain randomness.
Most dealers spin up and do other things then look at the wheel. It's only near when the ball is about to drop that they switch back on and call no more bets.
For most it's just a job and it gets pretty monotonous day in and day out. They get the same pay whether they make heaps for the casino or "cause" large payouts.
Some dealers may rotate to cards or other during their shift but over say a year they put in a lot of spins. Also late night shifts are they same in any job as the natural body cycle reduces alertness.
My view is that a dealer can't zone spins at will ? Vile & Drazen look to have the opposite view.
Vile mentioned previously that he bet alternatively to players betting around the top (zero) end of the wheel. The inference being that he considered that the dealer could zone the spins to the bottom section.
To do that consistantly in both directions would need the same wheel speed and the same ball speed ? While possible zoning could backfire on the casino by alert players reading the play & betting big in the drop zone area. Our good friend dealer signature.
Casinos do ok from randomness, after all only one number can win on any table + outside bets.
All the rest of the chips are shovelled down the chute, mostly more than the pay outs in my rough counts and for sure looking at the official profit reports.
Ausguy a good croupier can spin a footprint. I've seen is several times. They can't hit an exact number but a certain sector YES. Thats why a good method should NEVER rely on the layout of the wheel. Only deal with random itself which will do its thing regardless of whose spinning.
Yes some dealers may well be able to zone the ball drop ? If they put their mind to it?
In reality they don't really need to 99.99% of the time.
Besides zoning would only be effective on inside bets.
No dealer can spin results to deal with most outside bets.
Put yourself in position as a dealer on average busy tables where most of the table layout is covered with bets. Your not going to stand there and analyze the bets and then decide you need to target say the 7 o'clock area (zero being high noon) and spin accordingly?
They keep busy enough between spins stacking chips, changing player cash for chips, entering amounts into the data unit + player reward cards.
I'm mainly relating to B & M real dealer live wheel conditions I see in the casino here in Sydney OZ & online such as on Smart Live where you see most of the layout is covered with bets.
What's it matter to the casino what number/zone drops? As over any day of play that's how they operate, the so called big picture profit returns achieved from random spinning and the fact that 36 or 37 numbers lose depending on the wheel type.
It's random spinning results that they mainly want otherwise why do they mostly change dealers every 30 - 45 minutes? Also why do the dealers vary their ball speed spins often when doing their stints?
Some experienced players only bet on busy B & M tables or place most of their bets after the spin up to ensure there is no dealer zoning of their bets. The dealer can't zone bets that aren't there.
Any player should be able to pick up on any dealer zoning, especially if only a few players are betting, and stop playing until table conditions change i.e. usually more players at the table.
Assuming though that it's not the players last all in do or die last bet ?
Quote from: ausguy on May 19, 01:25 AM 2012
Yes some dealers may well be able to zone the ball drop ? If they put their mind to it?
In reality they don't really need to 99.99% of the time.
Besides zoning would only be effective on inside bets.
No dealer can spin results to deal with most outside bets.
Put yourself in position as a dealer on average busy tables where most of the table layout is covered with bets. Your not going to stand there and analyze the bets and then decide you need to target say the 7 o'clock area (zero being high noon) and spin accordingly?
They keep busy enough between spins stacking chips, changing player cash for chips, entering amounts into the data unit + player reward cards.
I'm mainly relating to B & M real dealer live wheel conditions I see in the casino here in Sydney OZ & online such as on Smart Live where you see most of the layout is covered with bets.
What's it matter to the casino what number/zone drops? As over any day of play that's how they operate, the so called big picture profit returns achieved from random spinning and the fact that 36 or 37 numbers lose depending on the wheel type.
It's random spinning results that they mainly want otherwise why do they mostly change dealers every 30 - 45 minutes? Also why do the dealers vary their ball speed spins often when doing their stints?
Some experienced players only bet on busy B & M tables or place most of their bets after the spin up to ensure there is no dealer zoning of their bets. The dealer can't zone bets that aren't there.
Any player should be able to pick up on any dealer zoning, especially if only a few players are betting, and stop playing until table conditions change i.e. usually more players at the table.
Assuming though that it's not the players last all in do or die last bet ?
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softwares do this for the casino and the pitboss (or someone else behind the scenes) lets them know over the ear piece where to zone in.
vundarosa
Quote from: 6th-sense on May 17, 11:43 AM 2012
I'm not blaming them if i lose or if i win...but i saw what i saw with my own eyes...
I don't think real money casinos cheat...it's way too risky. However I do believe the free poker sites are rigged. Nobody is going to investigate the free poker rooms obviously since it's just chips....I've noticed that when I win a certain number of chips (you get like 5000 automatically when you register), they hand out losing cards for you EACH time even if you have an ace/ace...you'll manage to lose. So in other words, it's a predetermined loss. They do this so you can then BUY more chips. (They're only free when you first register). Since it's addictive people actually DO buy more chips. So when you think about it....those sites have it all figured out to the dot. But of course nobody is going to investigate those "free poker sites".