Hello all its JL presenting to you another method which I hope will help those who embrace it properly to prospur against the game of ROULETTE. First off I have tweaked and shaped the method. But the fuse was lit by another member called WOLFAT so full credit to him for his valuable observation. Also ever the pusher and tester of a new idea is another member I have great respect and admiration for ATLANTIS. And his hit the ground running with a new idea drive has helped me arrive at this point. So here are the rules for CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK.
(1) You record spins for dozens and columns 4 wide like this example below. Notice after the first dozen I mark the next three spins with an X. This is because they are only there to make up the framework, they play no other part in the method.
2XXX
1XXX
3XXX
3XXX----TRIGGER 1
2XXX----TRIGGER 2
Until you have 2 losing triggers as in the example. A trigger is a dozen that doesn't match the dozen three lines above it. Similar to the original CODE 4 framework.
(2) You now commence betting using a six step progression. 1,2,3,5,7,10=28 units risk.
That one of the next 6 first dozens will MATCH the dozen 3 lines above example below.
1XXX
2XXX
2XXX
3XXX--TRIGGER 1
3XXX--TRIGGER 2
1XXX--BET 1 LOST -1 UNIT
3XXX--BET 2 WON +3 UNITS---GAME OVER
(3) Once you achieve a win or lose the 6 step progression this constitutes a played game. And you STOP.
(4) I advise you to play no more than 15---20 of these games in any one calendar day. As I am doing.
(5) You do not play CONTINUALY, but in a HIT AND RUN fashion. So you are always entering the cycle RANDOMLY for one game at a time.
(6) This can be achieved by playing on different tables at a B&M casino. Or several live feeds/tables online. I advise only live or if you have to airball roulette. Under no circumstances are RNGs to be used.
(7) I advise you start with a BANKROLL of at least 200 units. approx 7x the progression. You can double the unit value each time you double your bankroll. So for example if you build up to 400 units you could use a progression of 2,4,6,10,14,20. This is optional depending on your confidence level. And personal targets.
(8)We are aiming for around a 1000 game sample over a two month period. This is what I will be doing. So if you want to play EXACTLY as I am you should do the same. To compare results faithfuly.
As always all questions are welcome.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR 21/5/2012
GAMES PLAYED 100
GAMES WON 97
GAMES LOST 3
STRIKERATE APPROX 32/1
BALANCE = 204 UNITS PLUS
win loss streaks 51 WON 1 LOST---7 WON 1 LOST---19 WON 1 LOST---20 WON...
Hi JohnLegend,
Simple yet fabulous!!!
Well worth waiting for.
Thanks JL very much for sharing.
THIS LOOKS TO BE STRONG.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on May 21, 05:16 PM 2012
Hi JohnLegend,
Simple yet fabulous!!!
Well worth waiting for.
Thanks JL very much for sharing.
THIS LOOKS TO BE STRONG.
A.
Thanks Atlantis it is. so far a winning streak of 51 is my best but who knows what it might produce if it gets on a roll. What I noticed going through past results for CODE 4 was 8 lines without a match isnt breached very often and in a hit and run fashion this is strengthened because many times you will land into a potential losing streak. that's where its strength lies. So lets see what is possible over a 1000 game sample. I hope all the 10 volunteers can stay faithfully with this. And others will get onboard too.
won my first one
Video and My results will be in testing area. If there is one.....
Great work J L, profit to risk ratio with that strike-rate = success,( so far !! ). Lets all give it a go for say 30 days/nights and take advantage of your QUALITY time and effort to bring this to the table for us all to feed on.
Johnlegend
I know your methods are eagerly awaited, and by far, generate the most replies....in the thousands in fact.
What I would like to know, though, is this
If this is broken into basics, without lines of matix, you are basically saying this:
If this last hit dozen (one of 12 numbers on the betting table) is a different dozen than 12 hits ago and the dozen 4 hits ago is different from 12 before that....then bet that after 3 more hits, the next hit will be the same dozen as 12 hits ago. If that doesnt work wait 3 more spins and bet again on 12 spins ago.
Significance is given to waiting until it doesnt work twice, then it will work, and if it doesnt work, dont wait for it not to work twice, just bet it will work after 3 spins.
Why?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 21, 05:33 PM 2012
won my first one
Video and My results will be in testing area. If there is one.....
Well done TwoCatSam...where in the progression did the win come???
Thanks JL, I have played all the other methods(Code 4, PB and D&C) and have stuck with the rules to the letter with great results and my BR continues to grow each month. I will start playing this one in the good old USA and track my results over the next 2 months. Also a thanks to Wolfat and Atlantis for lighting the fuse ....
Quote from: turnerfeck on May 21, 05:37 PM 2012
Johnlegend
I know your methods are eagerly awaited, and by far, generate the most replies....in the thousands in fact.
What I would like to know, though, is this
If this is broken into basics, without lines of matix, you are basically saying this:
If this last hit dozen (one of 12 numbers on the betting table) is a different dozen than 12 hits ago and the dozen 4 hits ago is different from 12 before that....then bet that after 3 more hits, the next hit will be the same dozen as 12 hits ago. If that doesn't work wait 3 more spins and bet again on 12 spins ago.
Significance is given to waiting until it doesn't work twice, then it will work, and if it doesn't work, don't wait for it not to work twice, just bet it will work after 3 spins.
Why?
Hi Turnerfeck, WHY? Because it works. Sometimes you have to go around your destination to find the easiest route too it. We are delaying the outcome. But when it arrives its in our favour the vast majority of the time ultimately leading to profit. Which is the name of the game.
Quote from: dino246 on May 21, 05:35 PM 2012
Great work J L, profit to risk ratio with that strike-rate = success,( so far !! ). Lets all give it a go for say 30 days/nights and take advantage of your QUALITY time and effort to bring this to the table for us all to feed on.
Thankyou Dino, I think its very strong and once you pull ahead to a certain level yes you can have the occasional setback. But overall you will profit and move forward until you reach a satisfactory level of profit and confidence. This is more of an observation method than and expectancy method. By that I mean I have simply been able to find a way random delivers enough of the same to profit from, rather than random doing something specific like landing on number 7 or dozen 2 when I want it to.
John
Won on first bet=+2units.
Made video and uploaded it to YouTube. Cannot get the darn thing posted to my thread under "Testing".
More later.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 21, 05:54 PM 2012
John
Won on first bet=+2units.
Made video and uploaded it to YouTube. Cannot get the darn thing posted to my thread under "Testing".
More later.
Sam
Well done...
Hello JohnLegend!!
Wow, thanks for sharing your great method. Glad to have you back! I think its the one. Wolfat made the brilliant observation but you added the progression, and if my math is correct is the real magic to this method.
+2+3+3+4+3+2 units won
1 2 3 5 7 10 prog
Average units won: 2.8
Loss: 28
Minimum Longterm Strikerate needed: 11/1
Minimum Shortterm Strikerate needed: 15/1
Thanks JL, this will be a great thread and anyone lucky to see that will be very fortunate.
hi Johnlegend
Ok, because it works will have to do I suppose.
Can I ask something abour our green friend zero. I guess zero is a loss when betting after a trigger....but does zero count as a fail when comparing 12 spins ago for a trigger
so,
0XXX
2XXX
2XXX
3XXX--TRIGGER 1 (3rd dozen isnt zero)
3XXX--TRIGGER 2
Also....this has to be on RNG surely
real roulette: 100 games in 1 day and around 30 spins per game, thats 50 hours in one day if you have 1 min to place a bet
Hi JL.
Thanks for posting the method.
Before I start to play I have 1 question.
The 2 missed dozens trigger, must they be consecutive, one immediately after the other, or can they be separated by matched dozens?
Thanks.
Quote from: Skakus on May 21, 06:17 PM 2012
Hi JL.
Thanks for posting the method.
Before I start to play I have 1 question.
The 2 missed dozens trigger, must they be consecutive, one immediately after the other, or can they be separated by matched dozens?
Thanks.
Hello Skakus, they must be consecutive. The reason being the strength of the method lies in the fact that 8 consecutive lines without a match isnt breached very often. Then when you add random entry into each game it means often you will land into a losing run. That may have ended up being 9,10,11,12 or more lines. But you landed in the middle thus won anyway. This method more than any I believe will show people why I favour HIT AND RUN over straight play.
Quote from: turnerfeck on May 21, 06:14 PM 2012
hi Johnlegend
Ok, because it works will have to do I suppose.
Can I ask something abour our green friend zero. I guess zero is a loss when betting after a trigger....but does zero count as a fail when comparing 12 spins ago for a trigger
so,
0XXX
2XXX
2XXX
3XXX--TRIGGER 1 (3rd dozen isnt zero)
3XXX--TRIGGER 2
No they must be clean dozens to make the triggers from. Obviously a zero will mean a loss. But they havent hurt the method enough to be a problem. One of my three losing games had a zero in its makeup we accept it as part of the opposition. The overall strikerate will still shine.
Hi JL,
Before I start playing for real and strictly with the rules you laid out I've done a quick test with "thepilot's" real recorded results from the CODE4 thread. Since I did this for my own CODE 4 variations recently I thought I would do same for CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK - just to see. So here goes:
B3A3
B1A2
A1B1
C2C2 --trigger1
C1B1 - trigger2
C3B2 - L1
B3B3 - L2
B1C2 - L3
A1A3 - L5
C1C3 - L7
B1B3 - w20 +2
A3A3
C1B3
B2A2
B3C2 - trigger1
B1B1 - trigger2
A1C2 - L1
B2A2 - w4 +3
C2B3
B3C1
A3A3
A3A2 - trigger1
A1C1 - trigger2
B2A3 - L1
C1C1 - L2
A2A1 - w6 +3
A1C1
A2A1
C2B3
B1C2 - trigger1
B2B3 - trigger2
C3A2 - w2 +2
A2B1
B1B1
B3C1
C1C2 - trigger1
A3B3 - trigger2
C1A1 - L1
C3B2 - w4 +3
B2B2
B1C3
A1A1
C3B3 - trigger1
C1B1 - trigger2
A1C3 - w2 +2
A2B3
A1A1
B1A3
B1A2 - trigger1
C2A3 - trigger2
A1C1 - L1
B1C2 - w4 +3
7 games
Profit = +18
I know this is continuous play and not random entry with hit -n - run etc. - and I wouldn't normally play it in this fashion or on columns either for that matter... but it is pleasing to see positive results being delivered so thought I would share. :)
A.
Quote from: amk on May 21, 06:13 PM 2012
Hello JohnLegend!!
Wow, thanks for sharing your great method. Glad to have you back! I think its the one. Wolfat made the brilliant observation but you added the progression, and if my math is correct is the real magic to this method.
+2+3+3+4+3+2 units won
1 2 3 5 7 10 prog
Average units won: 2.8
Loss: 28
Minimum Longterm Strikerate needed: 11/1
Minimum Shortterm Strikerate needed: 15/1
Thanks JL, this will be a great thread and anyone lucky to see that will be very fortunate.
Thanks AMK never forget without CODE 4 this couldnt be, its a positive developement.
sorry, you may of answered as I added something.
You are playing RNG right?
never ever rng!
Turnerfeck Quote:
"Also....this has to be on RNG surely
real roulette: 100 games in 1 day and around 30 spins per game, that's 50 hours in one day if you have 1 min to place a bet"
Don't forget we have a board and we can back track spins Turnerfeck.
JL's been playing for a few days already...........
Quote from: atlantis on May 21, 06:29 PM 2012
Hi JL,
Before I start playing for real and strictly with the rules you laid out I've done a quick test with "thepilot's" real recorded results from the CODE4 thread. Since I did this for my own CODE 4 variations recently I thought I would do same for REVERSE CODE 4 ATTACK - just to see. So here goes:
B3A3
B1A2
A1B1
C2C2 --trigger1
C1B1 - trigger2
C3B2 - L1
B3B3 - L2
B1C2 - L3
A1A3 - L5
C1C3 - L7
B1B3 - w20 +2
A3A3
C1B3
B2A2
B3C2 - trigger1
B1B1 - trigger2
A1C2 - L1
B2A2 - w4 +3
C2B3
B3C1
A3A3
A3A2 - trigger1
A1C1 - trigger2
B2A3 - L1
C1C1 - L2
A2A1 - w6 +3
A1C1
A2A1
C2B3
B1C2 - trigger1
B2B3 - trigger2
C3A2 - w2 +2
A2B1
B1B1
B3C1
C1C2 - trigger1
A3B3 - trigger2
C1A1 - L1
C3B2 - w4 +3
B2B2
B1C3
A1A1
C3B3 - trigger1
C1B1 - trigger2
A1C3 - w2 +2
A2B3
A1A1
B1A3
B1A2 - trigger1
C2A3 - trigger2
A1C1 - L1
B1C2 - w4 +3
7 games
Profit = +18
I know this is continuous play and not random entry with hit -n - run etc. - and I wouldn't normally play it in this fashion or on columns either for that matter... but it is pleasing to see positive results being delivered so thought I would share. :)
A.
Nice work Atlantis, it may be possible to play two or three games on the trot. In the future once we have an idea how strong this really is. For now in real play we will stick to the one game at a time. But that is a confidence booster and on Columns too Lol. Nice work...
Quote from: amk on May 21, 06:43 PM 2012
Turfneck Quote:
"Also....this has to be on RNG surely
real roulette: 100 games in 1 day and around 30 spins per game, that's 50 hours in one day if you have 1 min to place a bet"
Don't forget we have a board and we can back track spins Turfneck.
JL's been playing for a few days already...........
Exactly online many feeds spin the ball every 30 secs or so please as AMK said you can backtrack the marker board and get your virtual lines quickly. Plus you must not play more than 20 games in any one day. Stick to my rules to the letter and you will get positive results.
heres my first test and i think its correct
3xxx
1xxx
3xxx
1xxx trigger 1
2xxx trigger 2
3 winner + 2 units
the only thing is how long do we wait to play another game?
that's a good question. that's a big thing, to know the rhythm of this game. I would love to see John's
insights on this. How often this things wins on average. It can't be too often of course. There should be long breaks when u get some profit.
I can't really understand why there needs to be big breaks, I would think you will miss just as many good times as bad.
Anyway I've played 3 games. Switched tables after the first, then came back to the original table about 50 spins later.
3xxx
2xxx
2xxx
1xxx T
3xxx T
3xxx
3xxx
3............... +3 = +3
1xxx
3xxx
3xxx
2xxx T
2xxx T
1xxx
3xxx
2............... +3 = +6
1xxx
1xxx
2xxx
2xxx T
3xxx T
2............... +2 = +8
:)
No more results from me until I get to 100 games.
Good luck all!
John
Here's the problem. I'm in Oklahoma and the nearest casino is 30 miles away with Roulette Revolution, an RNG. It's all we have, so we have to play it.
Now, we can't drive down for one game. Is there a number of spins you would recommend to wait between games?
Sam
1xxx
3xxx
3xxx
3xxx trigger 1
1xxx trigger 2
2xxx -1
2xxx -2
3xxx -3
3xxx -5
3xxx -7
2xxx -10
2nd game played loss 28 units
Hello Guys,
This is my first 3 games at B&M casino.I don't know if I handled the zero correct. Please comment.
1xxx
3xxx
2xxx
1xxx
3xxx
1xxx 1st trigger
1xxx
2xxx 1st trigger
1xxx
2xxx 1st trigger
1xxx 2nd trigger
2xxx L1
3xxx L2
0xxx L3
1xxx L5
2xxx L7
2xxx skip because of zero above
1xxx W20 +2
2xxx
2xxx
3xxx 1st trigger
3xxx 2nd trigger
1xxx L1
3xxx W4 +3
3xxx
2xxx 1st trigger
1xxx 2nd trigger
2xxx L1
3xxx L2
0xxx L3
3xxx L5
1xxx L7
3xxx skip because of zero above
2xxx L10 -28
Seriously I don't know if I handled the zero according to the system. Please help!
Regards
Sorry, Skakus, i don't mean to offend u, but in my point of view u don't understand something about roulette. Any method in roulette (i don't mean physical VB or bias) is gonna lose if played long enough. JL uses hit-n-run, he said it himself. Any pro knows that using the same method for too long time is a way to disaster. Any consistent patterns are killed by roulette in a long run.
Well, we already talked about it, it is now again the same story.
Quote from: Skakus on May 21, 08:09 PM 2012
I can't really understand why there needs to be big breaks, I would think you will miss just as many good times as bad.
Strike rate so far looks good in 100 games. We need of course much more testing. About covering 0 i would cover it if the progression is shorter than 4 steps. I would cover it here in the last step because 0 has an annoying habit of hitting on your last step ;D
Generally its good idea. Waiting few virtual loses might give you an extra edge. You can expect in this type of betting to go 12 steps once every few hundred games. I expect a strike rate to drop in the next few hundred games but still produce some profit.
Regards
Quote from: iggiv on May 21, 09:57 PM 2012
Sorry, Skakus, i don't mean to offend u, but in my point of view u don't understand something about roulette. Any method in roulette (i don't mean physical VB or bias) is gonna lose if played long enough. JL uses hit-n-run, he said it himself. Any pro knows that using the same method for too long time is a way to disaster. Any consistent patterns are killed by roulette in a long run.
Well, we already talked about it, it is now again the same story.
Ok iggiv. Let’s agree to disagree on this one.
Don’t worry I will play the game as JL suggested with a 15-20 game per day cap, and big spin breaks in between with random entry.
I did some quick test using my spin data from SML (mix of live dealers and air ball). I know its not hit and run but it gives you an idea.
Here is breakdown. 116W and 9L - strike rate 13\1, longest winning streak 24, shortest winning streak 0, yes it went 16 times in a row without hit and i ran out of data, sorry i have 2 add 1L then. It would be 2L in a row. So we have 116 and 10. In 5 cases L were separated by less then 10W.
Lets analyze results here. One game takes about 25 spins in my estimate so 2 play 10 games a day requires about 250 spins or 4 hours on an air ball - 1 spin a minute. 2 test 1000 games requires 3 months of testing. If i played sessions of 5 games and waited 5 games 2 start another game i would be perfect 60 and 0. If i played 10 games sessions i would catch 2 loses or potentially 5 loses because as i posted before there were 5 loses separated by less than 10 games.
So draw your own conclusion here.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 21, 05:00 PM 2012
Hello all its JL presenting to you another method which I hope will help those who embrace it properly to prospur against the game of ROULETTE. First off I have tweaked and shaped the method. But the fuse was lit by another member called WOLFAT so full credit to him for his valuable observation. Also ever the pusher and tester of a new idea is another member I have great respect and admiration for ATLANTIS. And his hit the ground running with a new idea drive has helped me arrive at this point. So here are the rules for CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK.
(1) You record spins for dozens and columns 4 wide like this example below. Notice after the first dozen I mark the next three spins with an X. This is because they are only there to make up the framework, they play no other part in the method.
2XXX
1XXX
3XXX
3XXX----TRIGGER 1
2XXX----TRIGGER 2
Until you have 2 losing triggers as in the example. A trigger is a dozen that doesn't match the dozen three lines above it. Similar to the original CODE 4 framework.
(2) You now commence betting using a six step progression. 1,2,3,5,7,10=28 units risk.
That one of the next 6 first dozens will MATCH the dozen 3 lines above example below.
1XXX
2XXX
2XXX
3XXX--TRIGGER 1
3XXX--TRIGGER 2
1XXX--BET 1 LOST -1 UNIT
3XXX--BET 2 WON +3 UNITS---GAME OVER
(3) Once you achieve a win or lose the 6 step progression this constitutes a played game. And you STOP.
(4) I advise you to play no more than 15---20 of these games in any one calendar day. As I am doing.
(5) You do not play CONTINUALY, but in a HIT AND RUN fashion. So you are always entering the cycle RANDOMLY for one game at a time.
(6) This can be achieved by playing on different tables at a B&M casino. Or several live feeds/tables online. I advise only live or if you have to airball roulette. Under no circumstances are RNGs to be used.
(7) I advise you start with a BANKROLL of at least 200 units. approx 7x the progression. You can double the unit value each time you double your bankroll. So for example if you build up to 400 units you could use a progression of 2,4,6,10,14,20. This is optional depending on your confidence level. And personal targets.
(8)We are aiming for around a 1000 game sample over a two month period. This is what I will be doing. So if you want to play EXACTLY as I am you should do the same. To compare results faithfuly.
As always all questions are welcome.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR 21/5/2012
GAMES PLAYED 100
GAMES WON 97
GAMES LOST 3
STRIKERATE APPROX 32/1
BALANCE = 204 UNITS PLUS
win loss streaks 51 WON 1 LOST---7 WON 1 LOST---19 WON 1 LOST---20 WON...
Hello John
Why dont we record all dozens?
1223
1323
2211
3333
1211
We dont have a trigger in first column but we have triggers in 2nd and 3rd column.
Then you play in a column that has a trigger already. It speeds things up ::)
Thanks 4 posting
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 22, 01:54 AM 2012
Hello John
Why don't we record all dozens?
1223
1323
2211
3333
1211
We don't have a trigger in first column but we have triggers in 2nd and 3rd column.
Then you play in a column that has a trigger already. It speeds things up ::)
Thanks 4 posting
Hi Robeenhuut.
There must be a thousand and one ways to play this matrix method. Perhaps a better test would have been to get 1000 players to test the system using 1000 different variants for 1000 identical games each. :)
The point is we will probably never uncover the exact sweet spot for this CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK system, or in fact any other system.
JL has asked us to play it his way, which is hit & run on the 1st column only wth 6 step progression because he believes that is as good as it gets for CODE 4.
Actually I agree with you and I think there are quicker and better ways to play, but that's not the issue here.
Stick to the rules for posting any results, but by all means test out you own gut feelings as to the most advantageous way to play. I know I will.
Good luck.
If its never RNG, how did you make good money on a real table. 2 mins between spins and roughly 30 spins with qualiying and win (if it qualifies first time) which is 1 hour to win 3U.
If that loses, it would have been 40 spins or so and 18U down, which will take 6 hours to win back?
I really am missing something here....sorry.
Quote from: Skakus on May 22, 02:58 AM 2012
Hi Robeenhuut.
There must be a thousand and one ways to play this matrix method. Perhaps a better test would have been to get 1000 players to test the system using 1000 different variants for 1000 identical games each. :)
The point is we will probably never uncover the exact sweet spot for this CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK system, or in fact any other system.
JL has asked us to play it his way, which is hit & run on the 1st column only wth 6 step progression because he believes that is as good as it gets for CODE 4.
Actually I agree with you and I think there are quicker and better ways to play, but that's not the issue here.
Stick to the rules for posting any results, but by all means test out you own gut feelings as to the most advantageous way to play. I know I will.
Good luck.
Hello Skakus
Actually i just played 2 games 4 real money on SML Auto Roulette - Air ball. Won both but they would have been loses if i followed rules. I won by covering 0 and on last step it hit :D and in 2nd game i started betting after 4 loses in other column and it hit on 4th step.
Sorry i just checked last game. It hit on last step.
Regards
I like to play ZERO as an INSURANCE bet when using £ 5 chips on the outside of the table.
I would rather WIN £4 than LOSE £10, bearing in mind IF ZERO is hit then you WIN even more !!
Bring on the ZERO i say.
Quick run of 1500 games H&R with my real wheel spins from Wiesbaden.
Hope real test does better.
I think that this method is simply ridicolous.
Dont't waste time to test it.
I Know at least 100 methods like it(without any statistic or math theory) and all lose
Quote from: beretta28 on May 22, 06:38 AM 2012
I think that this method is simply ridicolous.
don't't waste time to test it.
I Know at least 100 methods like it(without any statistic or math theory) and all lose
--No ridiculous but sad watching some well known members participating in testing
something that looks like a lottery,and have not any positive support to success.
Hi JL,
tx for sharing; I've been away for a business trip and came back today. I'll start my testing and post results, as per stated rules.
ciao
the problem with this is theres no reason why it should work so what it all comes down to is luck please someone tell me different
Here is the way I see it: There is the run from hell that will cost you 28 units. You must be unlucky enough to begin betting in synch with the RFH. In a thousand games, how many times does this happen? If it's very few, we got a winner. If it's very often, we get burned
I know continuous play will fail with this method. I am actually testing the "Hit and Run theory" as I don't believe it works either.
Sam
i do think its a bit daft, thats why I asked what all this 12 back then 12 back wait 3 then if a loss, no qualify malarchy was about, but clearly the Author doesnt know, and If the Author doesnt know, how in Gods name am I ever going to get it. I'm genuinly not ridiculing. I just want to know what this odd sequence and qualifying is about and what principles its based on.
Something as simple as a Marty on Red can be explained. "I think red and black will average out, so red should show in a bit"
Thats misguided in most peoples eyes, but its at least better than "because it works".
6 hours to win back an 18U loss is rediculous. I can explain that much
turner
Your concerns are legit. I wonder about it, too. I think it all boils down to dodging the run from hell. And overcoming a loss with more wins than losses.
I'll test it. The man is too darned excited for me not to.
Sam
Quote from: Rolletti on May 22, 06:26 AM 2012
Quick run of 1500 games H&R with my real wheel spins from Wiesbaden.
Hope real test does better.
Rolletti, you're gonna be in big trouble when JL gets back. ;D
just question...when you play so called hit n run does not all of your small sessions pile to one big consecutive hit and run session... :-\ ....
Do I detect the first stirrings of a mutiny? :xd:
Guys, it's not your job to THINK, just do EXACTLY what JL tells you to do.
Perhaps it would help if we all wear the same colour underpants as John? :xd: :xd:
I'm trying hard to be serious, but has it ever occurred to you that JL is having a huge laugh at our expense? ;D
bayes i never do what people told me to it helped a lot i do not think will change at that age...good luck to everyone testing code4 system...p.s never like the idea to lay down 20 chips and win 10... :thumbsup:
As J L advises ONLY play HIT + RUN for a MAXIMUM 2 - 4 games. ( Have a break, Have a Kit Kat ) smooth and easy !!
i think what we would all like to see JL to record his session on video for 1 day so we called see how he plays
if everyone is simply losing on the 1st attempt and looking at some results posted it looks like some aren,t playng properly anyway just reverse the bet for 1 spin on the 1st bet...simple is as simple does...also look down your columns of results you should notice long runs of the same 2 dozens running down them....and most of all give jl a break..think of how you can turn the results in your favour...
or to put it in an easier frame of mind during the course of the bet selection does it lose most on 1st bet??or does it break even?...do you hunt the run for a win or parlay on the losing side for 3 bets as they are many reports of losing streaks at this early stage?
maestro
You are exactly right, in my opinion.
Let's say you and I went to the casino. I play one game of C4RA and you sat down right behind me. Would you be doing wrong? If so, why? If not, would I be wrong to stay and play with you? Could I be wrong and you be right playing the same numbers? This is the logic the "hit'n runners" can't deny.
STILL.....their method may work; I'm not knockin' it.
I'm not going to look at this dozen or this column or whatever; I am going to play exactly as told.
Bayes, do you think this was all a joke?
Stackbundles (Do you stack bundles of money?)
A very good idea there! Make a video for us like I do. WMCapture sells a very good screen recorder. With all the skins JL is making, $40 should not hurt.
Sam
I did not detect any figures here 2 back up yr claims. At least i did some testing and we need more of that... Its easy to knock somebody down if there r more of u...
Quote from: maestro on May 22, 08:48 AM 2012
bayes i never do what people told me to it helped a lot i do not think will change at that age...good luck to everyone testing code4 system...p.s never like the idea to lay down 20 chips and win 10... :thumbsup:
So whats your idea of winning at roulette? Win 10u with 1u bankroll?
the only way to make money is trading football or any sports on betfair and if you dont like sports then binary options is the one for you
First 10 games tested: all positives
I'll recap when hit 100 games.
to JL: why the prog isn't 1(+2) - 2(+3) - 3 (+3) - 4 (+2) - 6 (+2) - 9 (+2) tot 25 units?
Quote from: StackBundles on May 22, 11:23 AM 2012
the only way to make money is trading football or any sports on betfair and if you don't like sports then binary options is the one for you
I made some money in sports betting on NHL while in Canada but since then the rules changed.
Still play little bit with that.
Regards
Hi JL, I started my first round of testing that will take place over the next 2-3 months. As you know from our discussions, I can only play B&M Casino's here in the states with $5 min bets. Played my first 3 games last night. Game 1: W-Step 2 +5, Game 2: W-Step 1 +10 and Game 3: W-Step 5 +5 for a gain of +20units in this method. I will continue to play the other methods: Code 4, D&C, PB, all of which have proving to be winners to me. I know the Hit & Run style can be hard for some to believe, but the results have been very solid for me. I continue to look at the growth of BR in terms of weeks and months. Testing results will come a little slower for me as I can only get to the casion 3 - 4 times a week, but will certainly keep you up to date. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and ideas.
Quote from: wolfat on May 22, 11:32 AM 2012
First 10 games tested: all positives
I'll recap when hit 100 games.
to JL: why the prog isn't 1(+2) - 2(+3) - 3 (+3) - 4 (+2) - 6 (+2) - 9 (+2) tot 25 units?
MY, MY what have I unleashed on here Wolfat. They are turning on themselves. Could be Wolfat. I went with 28 units as it meant you could recover a lost progression with less than 10 winners most of the time. But 25 units is an option.
Quote from: sniper on May 21, 09:02 PM 2012
Hello Guys,
This is my first 3 games at B&M casino.I don't know if I handled the zero correct. Please comment.You handled the ZERO right Sniper but I have asked you to play HIT AND RUN not continually.
1xxx
3xxx
2xxx
1xxx
3xxx
1xxx 1st trigger
1xxx
2xxx 1st trigger
1xxx
2xxx 1st trigger
1xxx 2nd trigger
2xxx L1
3xxx L2
0xxx L3
1xxx L5
2xxx L7
2xxx skip because of zero above
1xxx W20 +2
2xxx
2xxx
3xxx 1st trigger
3xxx 2nd trigger
1xxx L1
3xxx W4 +3
3xxx
2xxx 1st trigger
1xxx 2nd trigger
2xxx L1
3xxx L2
0xxx L3
3xxx L5
1xxx L7
3xxx skip because of zero above
2xxx L10 -28
Seriously I don't know if I handled the zero according to the system. Please help!
Regards
If somebody could code it it would make a testing so much easier. I know it would be continuous and would not hold but it would show us a breakdown of W and L. And what about tracking all columns?
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 22, 11:42 AM 2012
Hi JL, I started my first round of testing that will take place over the next 2-3 months. As you know from our discussions, I can only play B&M Casino's here in the states with $5 min bets. Played my first 3 games last night. Game 1: W-Step 2 +5, Game 2: W-Step 1 +10 and Game 3: W-Step 5 +5 for a gain of +20units in this method. I will continue to play the other methods: Code 4, D&C, PB, all of which have proving to be winners to me. I know the Hit & Run style can be hard for some to believe, but the results have been very solid for me. I continue to look at the growth of BR in terms of weeks and months. Testing results will come a little slower for me as I can only get to the casion 3 - 4 times a week, but will certainly keep you up to date. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and ideas.
Hello Chauncy47 hard is not the word my friend. Try IMPOSSIBLE. For all who dont know it. Chauncy47 IS ONE OF THE FEW. Who can really stay and play the methods PROPERLY. And he has as a result done even better than me. You woul aal do well to pick his brains and learn a thing or two from him.
I do not say "Hit and Run" is impossible. I merely say I don't understand it. I'm giving it every possible chance.
LOL, looks like a rollercoaster ride, mixed opinions everywhere, I fold, I don't have time to be playing the same as 12 results ago, I don't think its the method that's winning it's this magic $hit n runs business that nobody bar a few can seem to get to grips with, I'll watch from the side line for a while.
QuoteI'm trying hard to be serious, but has it ever occurred to you that JL is having a huge laugh at our expense?
Could be Charles in sheeps clothing!
Quotei think what we would all like to see JL to record his session on video for 1 day so we called see how he plays
I wouldn't trust that, it can be edited very easily, someone/members need to join the same table as JL and copy his play, but I doubt this will happen.
Good luck to all who persevere with this.
Quote from: superman on May 22, 12:30 PM 2012
LoL, looks like a rollercoaster ride, mixed opinions everywhere, I fold, I don't have time to be playing the same as 12 results ago, I don't think its the method that's winning it's this magic $hit n runs business that nobody bar a few can seem to get to grips with, I'll watch from the side line for a while.
Could be Charles Scammer in sheeps clothing!
I wouldn't trust that, it can be edited very easily, someone/members need to join the same table as JL and copy his play, but I doubt this will happen.
Good luck to all who persevere with this.
Superman you are bailing out. Why doesnt that surprise me. I already have you Bayes and Alberjonas, Skakus marked down as ones who wouldnt be up to it. Skakus might prove me wrong??
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 22, 12:15 PM 2012
I do not say "Hit and Run" is impossible. I merely say I don't understand it. I'm giving it every possible chance.
What is it you don't understand TwoCat?. Let me try and give you a real life scenario to illustrate what I know and see of its value. You are on a train speeding towards a destination. If you stay on that train the stations going to blow up when you arrive. And you are in trouble. I am on that same train but I get off a few stops before the impending disaster. that's what HIT AND RUN IS ABOUT. No method (READ THIS TILL YOUR EYES ARE SORE PEOPLE) That has a decent frequency can survive and profit LONGTERM. You have to implement a playing style that gives it a fighting chance of missing several certain losses. And providing you with enough profit margin to be worthwhile and successful.
That in a nutshell is what HIT AND RUN does. I lose very few of my first plays of the day. If I had 20 methods and only played one game each per day. I have no doubt I would succeed with them ALL. But theres this word again that virtually all of you lack PATIENCE. You just can't wait. You want results yesterday. Theres a price to pay to beat this game.
Quote from: Bayes on May 22, 12:52 PM 2012
John, your input is needed in the testing thread, when you have a moment.
Also, I don't intend to bail out, I just find it hard to take seriously. Hardly surprising given that there's no reason whatsoever why this method should work, as others have noticed.
I've been down the hit n run fallacy road many times, and I'm not going to bother any more trying to convince anyone. Let the results speak for themselves.
Bayes theres no reason why a bumble bee should fly but it does. If I told you I haven't lost the first game I've played for CODE 4 for 180 days. Does that mean anything? There are many things that defy logical mathematical procedure. That's why I've always said maths has no real bearing on a successful method. Timing and understanding of randoms eb and flow is EVERYTHING. When it comes to beating this game absolutley EVERYTHING. And until people begin to realize that its going to be the same ole same ole. On this and everyother forum in the land for most members.
Quote from: Bayes on May 22, 12:52 PM 2012
John, your input is needed in the testing thread, when you have a moment.
Also, I don't intend to bail out, I just find it hard to take seriously. Hardly surprising given that there's no reason whatsoever why this method should work, as others have noticed.
I've been down the hit n run fallacy road many times, and I'm not going to bother any more trying to convince anyone. Let the results speak for themselves.
One simple question. I think that tracking all the columns of dozens would help with testing.
You just pick the first column with triggers. What about tracking columns as well?
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 22, 01:07 PM 2012
One simple question. I think that tracking all the columns of dozens would help with testing.
You just pick the first column with triggers. What about tracking columns as well?
That goes against the rules I have outlined Robeenhuut. And there will be times you get in play dual qualifiers. What will you do then? I realize you are nearly all wrestling with your inherent lack off patience Robeenhuut. If you must. Use the first dozen and second dozen for testing as in example below. But understand. I cannot vouch for its success rate longterm. And if it goes pear shaped you have only yourself to blame.
1X3X
2X2X
3X1X
Quote from: Bayes on May 22, 02:18 AM 2012
Hey guys,
All those (and ONLY those) who signed up to test JL's new method, namely:
1. Bayes
2. Vundarosa
3. Robeenhut
4. Alberto Jonas
5. TwoCat
6. Sniper
7. Superman
8. Atlantis
9. Skakus
10. Rolletti
Please post your results HERE (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9532.msg79826;topicseen#msg79826), otherwise it's going to be nightmare for me to keep track of the results.
Thanks for your cooperation. 8)
So heres where we stand after only one day. Superman is gone. Bayes is going through the motions but can't really be arsed. others are trying to tweak the method already. And a few haven't even entered the game. I get the feeling this was a bad idea. I should know better. The mindset is either there or it isnt. No matter what I bring to this forum. Only a very few have what it takes I must and do accept this.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 22, 01:16 PM 2012
That goes against the rules I have outlined Robeenhuut. And there will be times you get in play dual qualifiers. What will you do then? I realize you are nearly all wrestling with your inherent lack off patience Robeenhuut. If you must. Use the first dozen and second dozen for testing as in example below. But understand. I cannot vouch for its success rate longterm. And if it goes pear shaped you have only yourself to blame.
1X3X
2X2X
3X1X
I understand your point but basically no matter which column you use you always bet for the outcomes at the same interval. So it should not matter actually which column you use?
If you start from 3rd column for example you just start tracking 2 spins later?
Regards
I think it's better to stick to John's rules, otherwise we're not testing his system but some variation of it. I'm still willing to do the test, but there is some confusion about the zeros. I doubt whether all 10 of us will see it though, but I will and I think Skakus will too.
By the way, it IS possible to code the system exactly as john describes it, including the random entry elements, but he is prejudiced against simulations. Shame really because I could get a print out of all results and it would all be there in black and white for everyone to see.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 22, 01:21 PM 2012
So heres where we stand after only one day. Superman is gone. Bayes is going through the motions but can't really be arsed. others are trying to tweak the method already. And a few haven't even entered the game. I get the feeling this was a bad idea. I should know better. The mindset is either there or it isnt. No matter what I bring to this forum. Only a very few have what it takes I must and do accept this.
JL, this is definitely "NOT" a bad idea. For me personally, its a great idea, so please keep sharing with us! If it wasn't for the willingness of you and a few others on here to continue with the threads in a positive manner, I would not be where I am at in the game today. I have taken these methods (Code 4, D&C, PB and now Reverse Code 4-playing and testing) and applied rock solid discipline to it each method, each time I walk into a casino in my area. Most days I win all 20 games (4 sessions of 5 games) and there a few times I don't, but they are far and few between. Based on my observation about the way you challenge randomness, hit and run combined with randomness is a solid winner. It simply chases itself around until it's dizzy and it finally gives in to a win. I use to get all worked up when I encountered a few losses. Today, I simply say "that was a pretty good round Mr. Randomness, now let me see you do that again." It took me forever to have the discipline to wait as I always wanted to play continuously and thought that was the only way to build my BR. I would encourage anybody to give it a chance and the one thing I do look at in the long run is the building of my BR, Confidence, Discipline and the open mindedness and power of observation in finding the sweet little things that make each method even more powerful. I will try and get my results posted on the Code 4 thread for others to see. Look forward to sharing more ideas with you.
JL
I stated that I would give it every chance. If you're asking more than that, then I, too, should drop out.
To whomever said that about JL faking his live, recorded play..............
If he'll go to Dublin, I'll go with him and make my own recording.
I seriously doubt the man would photo shop a movie.
Let's all play by the rules and give it a chance.
Or bail if you wish......
Sam
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 22, 01:54 PM 2012
JL, this is definitely "NOT" a bad idea. For me personally, its a great idea, so please keep sharing with us! If it wasn't for the willingness of you and a few others on here to continue with the threads in a positive manner, I would not be where I am at in the game today. I have taken these methods (Code 4, D&C, PB and now Reverse Code 4-playing and testing) and applied rock solid discipline to it each method, each time I walk into a casino in my area. Most days I win all 20 games (4 sessions of 5 games) and there a few times I don't, but they are far and few between. Based on my observation about the way you challenge randomness, hit and run combined with randomness is a solid winner. It simply chases itself around until it's dizzy and it finally gives in to a win. I use to get all worked up when I encountered a few losses. Today, I simply say "that was a pretty good round Mr. Randomness, now let me see you do that again." It took me forever to have the discipline to wait as I always wanted to play continuously and thought that was the only way to build my BR. I would encourage anybody to give it a chance and the one thing I do look at in the long run is the building of my BR, Confidence, Discipline and the open mindedness and power of observation in finding the sweet little things that make each method even more powerful. I will try and get my results posted on the Code 4 thread for others to see. Look forward to sharing more ideas with you.
Well done Chauncy47 if only we could clone your mindset and transplant it into the minds of many on here. Then we would be getting somewhere. Look at how I present my results and simply follow suite if you like. Keep up the good work. Its good to know I've helped a few people at least.
Many thanks for your help JL. Lots of people appreciate it. Always good to hear about your success and insights gained.
What is important to remember is that roulette should be fun to play and I think that is what hit and run methods deliver. Even playing CODE 1 should get you good results//sorry JohLegend for getting of topic :)
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 22, 01:40 PM 2012
I understand your point but basically no matter which column you use you always bet for the outcomes at the same interval. So it should not matter actually which column you use?
If you start from 3rd column for example you just start tracking 2 spins later?
Regards
Then go for it Robeenhuut. You are right that it should work equally well on both columns. For confusion sake I didnt want to complicate the method. For the purpose of speeding up analysis it is the best option.
Quote from: amk on May 22, 03:53 PM 2012
Many thanks for your help JL. Lots of people appreciate it. Always good to hear about your success and insights gained.
What is important to remember is that roulette should be fun to play and I think that is what hit and run methods deliver. Even playing CODE 1 should get you good results//sorry JohLegend for getting of topic :)
Never appologize to me for talking sense AMK. CODE 1 you have me curious. With CODE 4 (which by the way I still rate the best system ever) You get a very solid strikerate. But you must place 80 units on the line in order to play it faithfully. With CODE 4 reverse attack. The strikerate cant compete with CODE 4. But the risk is easier to swallow for alot more people.
I get a bit peeved off AMK because no matter what you bring. If you are giving it to the wrong people its going nowhere anyhow. I am extremely disappointed with the lack of interest for both D&C and Pattern breaker. They are relatively cheap methods to run and will make profit. You cant fathom what some people want. But WANT is all many will ever do. So we push on regardless.
Hi JL,
So far I've test-played 5 games = 12pts profit. One game I had to wait 44 spins (11 lines) before opportunity to bet arose (double trigger) so I can perfectly understand Robeenhuut wishing to speed up the qualifiers... However, I stick with the original rules for now.
A.
Johnlegend
its not a matter of transplanting what you want to hear into the heads of those who don't seem to be agreeing with you really. That a little off the path. Some people (like me) don't just follow a messiah who tells me to follow because it just works. I really need to see the inside of the theory. I may need to modify the idea to suit my gambling style etc.
I really admire people in this forum who openly admit and confess about their compulsive obession. You are one Johnlegend, I am another. It takes committment to show in full view what you are working on. The biggest beauty of this open confession is to see what negative things people say about it. Self medication doesn't work.
I remember writing a song on the keyboards and proudly playing it to a friend, when I was 16. After 5 mins he said " that's Wonderous Stories, by YES"
I was offended....but he was right.
You have to listen to criticism.....all the ar*e kissing in the world won't do anyone anygood.
Regards......Turner
And thats my last comment on this silly topic...Im out!
Just look at the positive vibes here JL, thats what I do. If I focused on the negative I would not be here but positive vibes can help the negative.
I know we have enough methods to be successful with but thinking about roulette is fun to me so I keep wondering. Have some thoughts I am going to post in the testing zone for CODE 1, its not what it seems to be.........
One more quick note, JohnLegends results speak for themselves. Anyone who has been following those will see that you can have a very good year indeed.
Wonderous Stories by "YES" a superb song !! just like this forum we all must be 100% positive about ALL the systems like the words in the song.
I am with you J L all the way .
Quote from: amk on May 22, 04:11 PM 2012
Just look at the positive vibes here JL, that's what I do. If I focused on the negative I would not be here but positive vibes can help the negative.
I know we have enough methods to be successful with but thinking about roulette is fun to me so I keep wondering. Have some thoughts I am going to post in the testing zone for CODE 1, its not what it seems to be.........
I like your words of wisdom AMK. Ever pushing forward thats great.
Quote from: amk on May 22, 04:14 PM 2012
One more quick note, JohnLegends results speak for themselves. Anyone who has been following those will see that you can have a very good year indeed.
Hey its not all me we have Chauncy 47 now and he has done even better than me. And there are two others who PMed me. I wish these guys were more outgoing. Because its numbers that change minds. If they all posted as religiously as me then people would see theres something here. That their own lack of commitment and enthusiasm will never show.
You know AMK CODE 4 is the best method I've ever seen its sitting on this forum. If it were embraced by the right numbers it would cause shock waves in the roulette world. It shall remain a sleeping giant aside from the ones in the know.
Quote from: dino246 on May 22, 04:16 PM 2012
Wonderous Stories by "YES" a superb song !! just like this forum we all must be 100% positive about ALL the systems like the words in the song.
I am with you J L all the way .
Well not all the way youre not getting in my bed. Lol!!!!! Just stay with it for a serious sample Dino thats all I ask. Dont even risk a real penny. Contrary to what people like Bayes think I ask no-one to play with real money until they are as sure as can be that they have a consistent profit maker on their hands. What I do ask is you put the hours in on testing the right way. LIVE SPIINS. Then you wont need me to tell you anything. The people who have done this now have a regular profit maker for as long as they want. They didnt just take my word for it they proved it to themselves. Thats all I can ask for....
Today's results from the local casino:
Game 1: W +5 Step 6
Game 2: W +5 Step 2
Game 3: W +5 Step 2
Game 4: W +10 Step 1
Plus +25 units for this method. Remember that this method requires patience(put that time to use and observe). 7 total games played, 7 wins. Will keep tracking...
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 22, 04:52 PM 2012
Today's results from the local casino:
Game 1: W +5 Step 6
Game 2: W +5 Step 2
Game 3: W +5 Step 2
Game 4: W +10 Step 1
Plus +25 units for this method. Remember that this method requires patience(put that time to use and observe). 7 total games played, 7 wins. Will keep tracking...
Nice work...
I have questions.
If 4 people walked up to the same wheel 1 spin each apart then started tracking to play C4RA, the 1st player would be betting column 1, the 2nd player would be betting player 1’s column 2, the 3rd player would be betting player 1’s column 3, and the 4the player would be betting player 1’s column 4, yet all 4 would be playing their 1st column.
Who is the rightful 1st column player?
As long as each player only played 1 game then quit have the system rules been breached?
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 22, 01:21 PM 2012
So heres where we stand after only one day. Superman is gone. Bayes is going through the motions but can't really be arsed. others are trying to tweak the method already. And a few haven't even entered the game. I get the feeling this was a bad idea. I should know better. The mindset is either there or it isnt. No matter what I bring to this forum. Only a very few have what it takes I must and do accept this.
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I’m testing it. Just don't want to be too hasty and make biased comments.vundarosa
Quote from: Skakus on May 22, 08:00 PM 2012
I have a question.
If 4 people walked up to the same wheel 1 spin each apart then started tracking to play C4RA, the 1st player would be betting column 1, the 2nd player would be betting player 1’s column 2, the 3rd player would be betting player 1’s column 3, and the 4the player would be betting player 1’s column 4, yet all 4 would be playing their 1st column.
Who is the rightful 1st column player?
-----------------
Skakus, each is betting their own 1st column....
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on May 22, 08:03 PM 2012
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Skakus, each is betting their own 1st column....
vundarosa
Yes I know so who is breaking the rules?
If none of them are breaking the rules then why can't 1 player play all 4 columns for 1 game?
Skakus
I've been asking that question for years.
Sam
Excuse me for interrupting the flow of the thread but maybe a twist could be to track all 4 and back for repeats on the specific winning spins of each column.
example.
column 1 had a win on the 3rd step in the progression. Bet for that to happen again on the third result of column 1 provided the first 2 steps did not produce a winner. Do this across all 4 columns.
It's just a suggestion. Then you are mostly flat betting and looking to take advantage of streaks.
I can understand why JL would be against any alterations to his method if he is enjoying so much success with it.
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 22, 04:52 PM 2012
Today's results from the local casino:
Game 1: W +5 Step 6
Game 2: W +5 Step 2
Game 3: W +5 Step 2
Game 4: W +10 Step 1
Plus +25 units for this method. Remember that this method requires patience(put that time to use and observe). 7 total games played, 7 wins. Will keep tracking...
:question: :question: :question:
I don't understand your win amounts. I get:
Bet 1 and win = +2 Lose = -1
Bet 2 and win = +4-1= +3 Lose = -3
Bet 3 and win = +6-3 = +3 Lose = -6
Bet 5 and win = +10-6 = +4 Lose = -11
Bet 7 and win = +14-11 =+3 Lose = -18
Bet 10 and win = +20-18 = +2 Lose = -28
Am I misunderstanding something?
GLC
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 22, 04:52 PM 2012
Today's results from the local casino:
Game 1: W +5 Step 6
Game 2: W +5 Step 2
Game 3: W +5 Step 2
Game 4: W +10 Step 1
Plus +25 units for this method. Remember that this method requires patience(put that time to use and observe). 7 total games played, 7 wins. Will keep tracking...
What progression do you use 2 win 10u on 1st step and 5u on 6th step?
John take it easy please. if they wanna tweak let's them tweak, why not? Just let them remember u warned them.
When they see they are wrong they may be back to your rules. Hopefully there will be no end of the world tomorrow. So don't get so upset.
As long as everyone is using thier own results from different sources this thread will never be resolved. You need to use results from one place. Pick a date and run your tests consecutivly for 30 days. Use the rules and test to those rules. Simple if it goes 10 times your starting bank in the 30 days like JL claims then it is deemed a success. If it fails then back to the drawing board. Nothing ventured nothing gained. By making the tests transparent everyone can make their own decision on its effectiveness. Just my humble observation. GJ
Quote from: deepred on May 22, 11:54 PM 2012
As long as everyone is using their own results from different sources this thread will never be resolved. You need to use results from one place. Pick a date and run your tests consecutivly for 30 days. Use the rules and test to those rules. Simple if it goes 10 times your starting bank in the 30 days like JL claims then it is deemed a success. If it fails then back to the drawing board. Nothing ventured nothing gained. By making the tests transparent everyone can make their own decision on its effectiveness. Just my humble observation. GJ
Best if like Bayes suggested that somebody coded it for Rx and we run it at certain intervals simulating hit n run approach. There is plenty live spins data in text files that could be uploaded.
I played a game earlier today on dublinbet that I had to wait 30+ spins for the first bet.
It lost, then two spins later they closed the table and just left me hanging there! :'(
How should I record that result in the official results thread?
JL we need clarification how you handle the ZERO
1. While waiting for 2 Triggers
0xxx in the first of all rows - Start with first No after the ZERO?
2xx0 note it down or ignore it completely? like 2xxx
0xxx in one of the next rows - note it down and start over tracking with No after the ZERO or
ignore it completely?
2. While playing after getting 2 Triggers
xxxx
xxxx
xxxx
xxxx Trigger 1
xxxx Trigger 2
2xx0 Lose - note it down or ignore it completely? like 2xxx
0xxx Lose - in one of the next rows - note it down or ignore it completely?
2xxx Lose
3xxx Lose - for the next bet there would be the row with the ZERO to bet. We skip bet and
wait for the next row?
2xxx No bet???
2xxx Bet here again and heuraka we win?
thanks.
Dam after reading this a couple of times I still can't get my head around it :(
Would anyone with 20mins to spare be able to write a ball by ball account of how this works?
I am not getting the trigger bit eg...
xxxx
xxxx
xxxx
xxxx Trigger 1
xxxx Trigger 2
why have 2 triggers? Why not start with one?
a ball by ball written up would be ideal then when I get the basics right I can try and learn the rest
Quote from: subby on May 23, 03:16 AM 2012
Dam after reading this a couple of times I still can't get my head around it :(
Would anyone with 20mins to spare be able to write a ball by ball account of how this works?
I am not getting the trigger bit e.g....
xxxx
xxxx
xxxx
xxxx Trigger 1
xxxx Trigger 2
why have 2 triggers? Why not start with one?
a ball by ball written up would be ideal then when I get the basics right I can try and learn the rest
Okay Subby,
The two triggers are required because of my observation over a sample of 7,500 plus games for CODE 4. I only found 11 occurances where it took 9 or more rows to produce a match on the first doZen to the dozen three rows above it. In the meantime there were 456 that fell between 3 and 8. That is how I got the confidence to craft CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK.
1XXX
2XXX
3XXX
2XXX=TRIGGER 1
1XXX=TRIGGER 2
2XXX=BET 1 LOST-1 UNIT
2XXX=BET 2 WON+3 UNITS STOP GAME over wait for 5 spins or whatever breaks the CYCLE. Contrary to popular belief there doesn't have to be 10 minutes or 5 hours break between games. You simply have to get OFF THE TRACK that random has you on. Otherwise you are heading for a loss. ABSOLUTELY. And highly likely before your profit margin overcomes your risk.
Now using a progression of 1,2,3,5,7,10=28 units risk
We bet on one to six attempts that there will be a match.
I have since found and even more lucrative way to play that 4 wide matrix. But that's for another time.
"I have since found and even more lucrative way to play that 4 wide matrix. But that's for another time.", said John.
John,
Just ask the casino to send you a check and quit torturing them!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 24, 01:03 PM 2012
"I have since found and even more lucrative way to play that 4 wide matrix. But that's for another time.", said John.
John,
Just ask the casino to send you a check and quit torturing them!
Sam
Sam you know its never going to happen. don't join the pessimistic. Put the work in for yourself and you will see for yourself. While you rely on others to test something for you. You will never know the true story. Convince yourself. Like Chauncy47 and a few others have. Then I don't have to say anything you already know it works.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 24, 01:01 PM 2012
Okay Subby,
The two triggers are required because of my observation over a sample of 7,500 plus games for CODE 4. I only found 11 occurances where it took 9 or more rows to produce a match on the first doZen to the dozen three rows above it. In the meantime there were 456 that fell between 3 and 8. That is how I got the confidence to craft CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK.
1XXX
2XXX
3XXX
2XXX=TRIGGER 1
1XXX=TRIGGER 2
2XXX=BET 1 LOST-1 UNIT
2XXX=BET 2 WON+3 UNITS STOP GAME over wait for 5 spins or whatever breaks the CYCLE. Contrary to popular belief there doesn't have to be 10 minutes or 5 hours break between games. You simply have to get OFF THE TRACK that random has you on. Otherwise you are heading for a loss. ABSOLUTELY. And highly likely before your profit margin overcomes your risk.
Now using a progression of 1,2,3,5,7,10=28 units risk
We bet on one to six attempts that there will be a match.
I have since found and even more lucrative way to play that 4 wide matrix. But that's for another time.
Hello John
Im sorry but your numbers dont add up. You claim that only 11 times you would lose a game - it went over 9 steps out of 7500 and 456 times it went between 3 and 9 steps? It means that your strike rate was around 41/1? So in more than 7000 games you got a hit within 2 spins. Lets do the math. Average profit in 1,2 progression is 2.5u and average loss is 3u so we have more or less 16000u profit. Why we bother then with triggers and 6 step progression?
Lets play 2 step progression and we make at least 2u a game ;D
Regards
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 24, 01:03 PM 2012
"I have since found and even more lucrative way to play that 4 wide matrix. But that's for another time.", said John.
John,
Just ask the casino to send you a check and quit torturing them!
Sam
--Remember Compa's secret session on old VLS,Sam????
We did this 3,4,5,6,7,...for and against,up and down,left-right,all poss. kinds.....and what did
gents/including you as a guest/there conclude at the end/several months of testings/neither
combo works,but 7 was the nearest to success.
--Remember Compa's secret session on old VLS,Sam?(link:://rouletteforum.cc/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
We did this 3,4,5,6,7,...for and against,up and down,left-right,all poss. kinds.....and what did
gents/including you as a guest/there conclude at the end/several months of testings/neither
combo works,but 7 was the nearest to success.
vile
I do not remember. But then I've forgotten a lot.
Sam
Quote from: iggiv on May 22, 11:27 PM 2012
John take it easy please. if they wanna tweak let's them tweak, why not? Just let them remember u warned them.
When they see they are wrong they may be back to your rules. Hopefully there will be no end of the world tomorrow. So don't get so upset.
Iggiv Im not upset. Its just a pity that most people will spend their entire lifes wondering if this game is beatable. Simply because the neccessary self discipline is lacking. I dont say I am perfect Iggiv But I know what I know. It took me many years to get here. I was just like the rest once. Thats the reason and the only reason I push the things I do so hard. I dont say they are the ONLY way to win. But they are most certainly a way to win. And really profit from this game.
If Ive even helped one person to do that. Then Ive achieved something. And I know Ive helped a few. The thing is this iggiv. I can give you a winning method. But I cant give you the mindset to follow it. Thats up to you. The people who have it naturaly are going to be winners for the rest of their lives. The ones that dont will be system hopping for the rest of their days. As we know it takes all kinds. All extremes must exist.
John u r a good man. Thanx for everything. If someone really gets on your nerves here just please let me know and i will try to make him leave u alone. Guys like u make this forum a valuable informative place. Not the guys that try to put down achievements of guys like u. So in my opinion even if i don't look neutral as a mod and taking sides, i think i have to take sides with people like u which give a big valuable practical info to the forum. Thanx again.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 24, 02:37 PM 2012
Iggiv I'm not upset. Its just a pity that most people will spend their entire lifes wondering if this game is beatable. Simply because the necessary self discipline is lacking. I don't say I am perfect Iggiv But I know what I know. It took me many years to get here. I was just like the rest once. that's the reason and the only reason I push the things I do so hard. I don't say they are the ONLY way to win. But they are most certainly a way to win. And really profit from this game.
If I've even helped one person to do that. Then I've achieved something. And I know I've helped a few. The thing is this iggiv. I can give you a winning method. But I can't give you the mindset to follow it. that's up to you. The people who have it naturaly are going to be winners for the rest of their lives. The ones that don't will be system hopping for the rest of their days. As we know it takes all kinds. All extremes must exist.
Quote from: iggiv on May 24, 10:11 PM 2012
... I think i have to take sides with people like u.
I figure that if a poster can't properly adequately defend himself, nay, his work, on a board like this, against a ragtag bunch, than what chance would he have in a real casino?
Garnabby we are losing u already man. It's not about roulette anymore. U r obsessed with desire to prove that someone (who tries to share and help others) is gonna fail no matter what. I kinda have a respect for u, u said interesting things sometimes and even some practical advices about some casino trips u used to give in this forum.
but something happened that made u really negative kind of troll. So if u really don't give anymore
any practical info but on the contrary get on nerves of some people, providing here some practical info, i am gonna do something about it. Though i admit for some reasons that i feel kind of personal sympathy to u. U seem like a guy really disappointed about roulette. I can understand that. But for
practical common sense sake, i would have to do do something if some members really keep complaining about u.
Because as i said. It is not about roulette anymore. It is some wave of unproductive negativism goes and goes out of u.
Callin' us "ragtag". Lemme at 'im Lemme at 'im.
Quote from: iggiv on May 24, 10:11 PM 2012
John u r a good man. thanks for everything. If someone really gets on your nerves here just please let me know and i will try to make him leave u alone. Guys like u make this forum a valuable informative place. Not the guys that try to put down achievements of guys like u. So in my opinion even if i don't look neutral as a mod and taking sides, i think i have to take sides with people like u which give a big valuable practical info to the forum. thanks again.
Hello Iggiv
We try to do some constructive and fair criticism of everything whats posted here. I posted some stuff that did not work due to mostly not adequate testing and being overzealous. I never personally attacked anybody here. What bugs me about JL attitude is his "I know the best" line and flat dismissal of other people posts that dont agree with his results by ignoring them or endlessly pushing his hit and run philosophy. Bettor 27 reported strike rate around 110/1 in around 900 games of CODE 4 and there was no reply, Intriseco put out a chart testing CODE 4 and got just average results. But it was not true hit and run testing in JL opinion. To me testing it on Rx playing in some intervals and using verified live spins would constitute true test.
Look what happens now with CODE 4 Reverse Attack testing. It produces just average results but they will be dismissed by JL because the tests were not done in proper fashion. He reported in 7500 games that he saw only 11 loses - game went 9 or more steps without hit. I just scratch my head when i see his numbers.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 24, 11:17 PM 2012
Hello Iggiv
We try to do some constructive and fair criticism of everything what's posted here. I posted some stuff that did not work due to mostly not adequate testing and being overzealous. I never personally attacked anybody here. What bugs me about JL attitude is his "I know the best" line and flat dismissal of other people posts that don't agree with his results by ignoring them or endlessly pushing his hit and run philosophy. Bettor 27 reported strike rate around 110/1 in around 900 games of CODE 4 and there was no reply, Intriseco put out a chart testing CODE 4 and got just average results. But it was not true hit and run testing in JL opinion. To me testing it on Rx playing in some intervals and using verified live spins would constitute true test.
Look what happens now with CODE 4 Reverse Attack testing. It produces just average results but they will be dismissed by JL because the tests were not done in proper fashion. He reported in 7500 games that he saw only 11 loses - game went 9 or more steps without hit. I just scratch my head when i see his numbers.
Regards
please read what he is saying. And by the way i did not mean u by people which get "on the nerves".
Well, i guess there must be some reasons why some people get different results with the same strategy. Something needs to be shaped up probably by the people which don't get good results. i don't know. That's why the discussion is goin on here
and by the way i completely agree with his "hit-n-run" philosophy. No method will work consistently if u just keep and keep playing it pushing your luck. U need a hit-n-run as John says. I know it from my experience too.
Those who reject a hit-n-run and don't pay enough attention at it, will fail no matter what. Maybe that's a case. Many people don't understand how roulette kills consistent patterns on long run.
On another hand skillful using of hit-n-run can make a difference.
Quote from: iggiv on May 24, 11:22 PM 2012
please read what he is saying. And by the way i did not mean u by people which get "on the nerves".
Well, i guess there must be some reasons why some people get different results with the same strategy. Something needs to be shaped up probably. i don't know. That's why the discussion is goin on here
Hello Iggiv
You can get on some people nerves by just trying to voice different opinion. Its normal to get different results from the same strategy. If you got our ragtag bunch of superheroes ;D to test CODE4 in the same way you probably could get someone that produced even better then JL results but there would be few taking loss as well. Few people already reported just average results but they were dismissed. I wish JL all the success but his methods are only suitable for few. And mindset or patience are not the main issue here. ;D
Regards
Hit and run is the style of play most common amongst "traders" of markets like forex who try to exploit brief periods of non random behavior amongst a mostly random environment. To find those patterns they do a lot of data-mining. It's easy to trap them when found because there is very little work involved in monitoring in-between periods...only a lot of patience needed. In a casino, a player expends almost equal work to monitor in-between periods during a hit and run approach, unless technology affords a way around this. That's harder in a brick and mortar environment where this method allegedly does better.
I haven't done enough research to say whether a hit and run approach works in these types of games where you'd think randomness ruled every spin of the wheel. This is unlike a market like forex where there may be times when psychology of the masses may rule in a predictable way. But from research done and demonstrated on this forum, i suspect a hit and run approach may have some merits. If the waiting periods are long, then it's more imperative that the system be able to run on an RNG where a robot can mimic the human signature enough to play for the players, and get away with it. The waiting periods while playing in a brick and mortar establishment would be palatable in relation to how sure the system delivered results, and the size of the players BR (basic unit) when the profits did finally arrive.
I would add that a hit and run approach that did not monitor the in-between states makes no sense to me, unless it also involves a drop down to the basic unit of risk from a higher level (regression).
If a person told me, "Sam, I sit down and play and suddenly I get this gut feeling that I should leave, and I do.", I could agree with that. I feel we all have an intuition about things.
While KonFuSed proved the G.U.T would not work, I can make it work. Or at least I have thus far. A voice says to me: Man, things have been goin' great! It's about time it turns on you. Might want to log out.
If you guys could get you mind around "Hit and Use Your Gut Feeling About When To Quit", I could board your train.
I sit at a terminal at Riverwind and I watch guys slide their twenties into the machine--they have jumped in. Soon they have the "thousand yard stare" and are leaving broke. They've jumped out. Then they're at the ATM. Jumping back in again.....
Again, if you say it works for you, who am I to doubt you? I say win some money and buy the wife a rose!
Sam
QuoteYou have to implement a playing style that gives it a fighting chance of missing several certain losses.
Yes, but starting to play at random intervals won't give you that fighting chance. Better is something like Marigny's method which advices starting play at -3 Std, then careful MM can get you a few units.
Quote from: Bayes on May 25, 02:16 AM 2012
>> careful MM <<
In my opinion this is the start and finish of any possible hit and run advantage, and that's only because nothing else makes any sense.
hit and run theory reminds of old days when my brother younger than me was at his school and there was a guy who use to say slap other boys and runs away as nothing happen everyone knew who that person was but they were too afraid to point him....one day i went to my brother school to see what was that thing and since then that person never ever slap anyone...i hope hit and run does not turn this way....p.s win as much as you can :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I say win some money and buy the wife a rose!
Sam
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I do it every morning after each night session....but in cash,Sam.
Quote from: vile on May 25, 04:28 AM 2012
I do it every morning after each night session
My oh my, your oversexed wife's got it good!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 24, 11:16 PM 2012
Callin' us "ragtag". Lemme at 'I'm Lemme at 'I'm.
genuine lol at that ;D
Quote from: Bayes on May 25, 01:53 AM 2012
Absolutely. And this is why JL's hit & run methods make no sense, because the inbetween states aren't monitored. You just enter the game at random intervals, HOPING that the random flow at that point won't be the one which generates a loss.
On the other hand, he says that "timing is everything" but gives no clue as to when you should enter the game.
Go figure. :-\
This isn't just being "negative", it's a reasonable criticism.
Is there any different if the inbetween states are monitored. Will the monitored entry point generates more wins?
Quote from: Bayes on May 25, 02:03 AM 2012
JL's analogy of a train:
The reason why this is a poor analogy is that you don't know where the "station" is, and consequently at what point you will get blown up, so the only safe option is to not get on the train in the first place. Not that I'm saying you should never play roulette, only that you can't find a justification for using the kind of hit & run which JL advocates, because it's completely illogical.
Whatever happened to common sense? :'(
Hi Bayes, who in this world knows where the "station" and the blown up point are? Every bet placed putting you to the risk of being blown up.
2cat - Are you familar with the movie THE DEER HUNTER ? Robert De Niro & others a few decades old now. A section of the movie covers 1 of the guys who gets obsessed playing Russian Roulette somewhere in Asia/war etc.
1 bullet in revolver spin chamber, bets go down = live or die, 5 chances vs 1 - then he puts gun to
head & pulls trigger. For years he managed to cheat death.
For those that know the movie then you know the final outcome, for those that don't, you'll have to get the movie out.
Quote from: iggiv on May 24, 11:07 PM 2012
It's not about roulette anymore. U r obsessed with desire to prove that someone (who tries to share and help others) is gonna fail no matter what.
I can't disprove, or even be subjectively-negative about, details which aren't laid out here, nay, which, according to many of the posters, can't be. For example, how does "hit and run" really work? That's a part of the longer, overall negative-expectancy. If you had a viable way to beat roulette, you wouldn't resort to "hit and run". (You'd make a proper session of the "hit and run" stuff, to be back where you started.)
Beyond that, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." You can't have one side without the other. If a board fails because of that, or posters are summarily banned in some misguided "pursuit" to guard against said failure, then soooooooo be it! Not my fault, or worry then.
Quote from: iggiv on May 24, 11:07 PM 2012
... but something happened that made u really negative kind of troll. So if u really don't give anymore any practical info but on the contrary get on nerves of some people, providing here some practical info, i am gonna do something about it. Though i admit for some reasons that i feel kind of personal sympathy to u. U seem like a guy really disappointed about roulette. I can understand that.
Ah, no. My professional and no-nonsense mindset, particularly in theory and practice to the casino-games has remained quite-constant over the years.
Things couldn't be better with me personally. But then you would likely "get on my case" for a list of the highlights. (Nothing brings out the real negativity more among gamblers than that. Oh, the indignity! Believe me.)
Quote from: iggiv on May 24, 11:07 PM 2012
... I would have to do do something if some members really keep complaining about u.
Reminds me of ego's suggestion to not care about others' doubts of your wins if you can win. Actually, what happens is that most simply go away, back to the other activities which they can beat. It becomes way-to-hard to start to apply those latter strategies here "over the phone" when this problem becomes systemtic, moderated. When a casino-game becomes a substitute for a universally-recognized (and successful) professional career.
Like Bayes, you're going to have to list specific examples of some personal attacks before you can rightfully label someone an internet troll. Steve, for an other, can tell you from real experience how bad such attacks can get, what those comprise.
P.S. Notice the new posters in these heartfelt discussions?
Quote from: Bayes on May 25, 01:53 AM 2012
Absolutely. And this is why JL's hit & run methods make no sense, because the inbetween states aren't monitored. You just enter the game at random intervals, HOPING that the random flow at that point won't be the one which generates a loss.
On the other hand, he says that "timing is everything" but gives no clue as to when you should enter the game.
Go figure. :-\
This isn't just being "negative", it's a reasonable criticism.
I'd like to be more accurate about what this really is/does. What i'm seeing here is what i'll call a "look-back" period of about 25 spins on average...before any real bets are placed. While not all in-betweens are monitored between sessions, they are at least monitored between games and a session is started with a 25 spin look-back (on average). So this is not a completely random hit because of the look-back. The run from the game is planned relative to a max loss of basic units and the run from the session is capped at 20 games.
I don't understand the look-back period enough to say anything about it, whether or not the triggers do signal a better betting environment. I don't understand the instructions to track "dozens and columns" in a four column wide matrix where three of the spins are x'd out. That could be cause of my unfamiliarity with roulette (and/or Code 4). It looks like keeping track of every fourth spin for signals. Ok, if it works.
Rolletti posted some results alleged to be off of a pre-recorded history from a trusted B & M casino (Wiesbaden). I'm wondering why that's not getting more attention, at least to verify that the games were rightly processed by his code. Because if there are no mistake in his tests, this does not look good.
What i can do is compare this system to some forex trading systems that have a short take-profit target and a long stop-loss. This way, you can manufacture a win-rate of 90% if you want. But without an "edge" of some sort (the triggers have to be valid), the system will be eaten up by commissions and/or spreads (the vig).
No matter how you try to "rationalize" this in the end it will eat all profit. MY OPINION!
But this is just an opinion and i don't pretend to hurt anyone.
Hit & Run Does not make a mathematical sense, so i show this playing continuously.
Also i use every Column not only the first.
Attachment has pdf with 2000 spins BV no zero.
I like Gamblers Fallacy, =) so i decide to attack after a Fictive total Loss: -It means a string of 8 consecutive Losses.
LLLLLLLL
this is the "safe" trigger
========================
Progression
1 Bank 4 each Row
Step 1
1) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 4 Bankroll Needed: $2
2) Bet: $ 3 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 4 Bankroll Needed: $5
3) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 3 Bankroll Needed: $9
4) Bet: $ 6 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 3 Bankroll Needed: $15
Step 2
1) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 8 Bankroll Needed: $4
2) Bet: $ 5 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 6 Bankroll Needed: $9
3) Bet: $ 8 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 7 Bankroll Needed: $17
4) Bet: $ 12 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 7 Bankroll Needed: $29
=========================================
Results (vertical Rows)
[reveal]
ROW 1
L
L
L
w +3
w +4 +7
L
w +4 +11
L
W +4 +15
L
W +4 +19
W +4 +23
L
L
W +3 +26
w +4 +30
L
W +4 +34
L
L
W +3 +37
ROW 2
L
L
L
L -15 (2nd step recovery)
L
L
W +7 -8
W +8 0 (back to 1st step)
L
W +4 +4
L
L
W +3 +7
W +4 +11
W +4 +15
W +4 +19
ROW 3
W +4
W +4 +8
L
L
L
L -15 -7 (2step recovery)
L
W +6 -1 (back to step 1)
L
W +4 +3
W +4 +7
W +4 +11
W +4 +15
L
W +4 +19
W +4 +23
L
L
L
W +3 +26
Row 4
L
W +4
L
L
W +3 +7
L
L
W +3 +10
L
L
L
L -15 -5 (step2)
L
W +6 +1
Total = +83
[/reveal]
What i think is that it takes a lot of patience and time to grind such a small profit...
Anyway in 2000 spins it increased almost 50 % initial bankroll.
Profit should be used to increase unit value or to buy extra steps on the progression.
I prefer first.
I would like to add that it could be played horizontally also...
And it doesn't matter the spread or the steps in the progression. It is all a matter of time and value.
Cheers
Isn't everyone fed up matrix type bets?
let's move on...
ausguy
I'm barely familiar with the movie. I thought the Vietnamese were forcing him to pull the trigger. Maybe I'll watch it, but those kinds of movies bother me for days on end.
Alberto
You know, I am a wee bit tired of matrices.
I feel the need to shut up for a while.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 25, 10:11 PM 2012
ausguy
I'm barely familiar with the movie. I thought the Vietnamese were forcing him to pull the trigger. Maybe I'll watch it, but those kinds of movies bother me for days on end.
Alberto
You know, I am a wee bit tired of matrices.
I feel the need to shut up for a while.
Sam
Ausguy is on 2 something. How about Russian Roulette All In Matrix Attack ;D
Quote from: albertojonas on May 25, 07:57 PM 2012
No matter how you try to "rationalize" this in the end it will eat all profit. MY OPINION!
But this is just an opinion and i don't pretend to hurt anyone.
Hit & Run Does not make a mathematical sense, so i show this playing continuously.
Also i use every Column not only the first.
Attachment has pdf with 2000 spins BV no zero.
I like Gamblers Fallacy, =) so i decide to attack after a Fictive total Loss: -It means a string of 8 consecutive Losses.
LLLLLLLL
this is the "safe" trigger
========================
Progression
1 Bank 4 each Row
Step 1
1) Bet: $ 2 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 4 Bankroll Needed: $2
2) Bet: $ 3 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 4 Bankroll Needed: $5
3) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 3 Bankroll Needed: $9
4) Bet: $ 6 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 3 Bankroll Needed: $15
Step 2
1) Bet: $ 4 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 8 Bankroll Needed: $4
2) Bet: $ 5 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 6 Bankroll Needed: $9
3) Bet: $ 8 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 7 Bankroll Needed: $17
4) Bet: $ 12 on 1 spots. Profit on a Win: $ 7 Bankroll Needed: $29
=========================================
Results (vertical Rows)
[reveal]
ROW 1
L
L
L
w +3
w +4 +7
L
w +4 +11
L
W +4 +15
L
W +4 +19
W +4 +23
L
L
W +3 +26
w +4 +30
L
W +4 +34
L
L
W +3 +37
ROW 2
L
L
L
L -15 (2nd step recovery)
L
L
W +7 -8
W +8 0 (back to 1st step)
L
W +4 +4
L
L
W +3 +7
W +4 +11
W +4 +15
W +4 +19
ROW 3
W +4
W +4 +8
L
L
L
L -15 -7 (2step recovery)
L
W +6 -1 (back to step 1)
L
W +4 +3
W +4 +7
W +4 +11
W +4 +15
L
W +4 +19
W +4 +23
L
L
L
W +3 +26
Row 4
L
W +4
L
L
W +3 +7
L
L
W +3 +10
L
L
L
L -15 -5 (step2)
L
W +6 +1
Total = +83
[/reveal]
What i think is that it takes a lot of patience and time to grind such a small profit...
Anyway in 2000 spins it increased almost 50 % initial bankroll.
Profit should be used to increase unit value or to buy extra steps on the progression.
I prefer first.
I would like to add that it could be played horizontally also...
And it doesn't matter the spread or the steps in the progression. It is all a matter of time and value.
Cheers
Isn't everyone fed up matrix type bets?
let's move on...
Hola Alberto
Kudos 4 your testing. I always tracked all 4 columns as well. But you have 2 be careful here.
I have done some testing and in around 200 games already saw at least 16 spins without hit - i ran out of data 2 verify actual number. Playing such a high number of games you expose yourself to it happening and it happens on average 1 in 700 events ::) I like your recovery procedure. After double loss i would immediately play few games just with regular 2 virtual loses trigger with double stakes.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 24, 11:17 PM 2012
Hello Iggiv
We try to do some constructive and fair criticism of everything what's posted here. I posted some stuff that did not work due to mostly not adequate testing and being overzealous. I never personally attacked anybody here. What bugs me about JL attitude is his "I know the best" line and flat dismissal of other people posts that don't agree with his results by ignoring them or endlessly pushing his hit and run philosophy. Bettor 27 reported strike rate around 110/1 in around 900 games of CODE 4 and there was no reply, Intriseco put out a chart testing CODE 4 and got just average results. But it was not true hit and run testing in JL opinion. To me testing it on Rx playing in some intervals and using verified live spins would constitute true test.
Look what happens now with CODE 4 Reverse Attack testing. It produces just average results but they will be dismissed by JL because the tests were not done in proper fashion. He reported in 7500 games that he saw only 11 loses - game went 9 or more steps without hit. I just scratch my head when i see his numbers.
Regards
Robeenhuut before you fly off the handle something you have overlooked. And I myself overlooked in testing REVERSE ATTACK using CODE 4s results. Is the SAMPLE BREAKDOWN. With CODE 4 unless the zero negates a line we never play more than 20 spins a session. With REVERSE ATTACK it can take over 40 to get the triggers. This I believe is why the results are quite extreme. Even my last 100 games has delivered 5 losses. So I have made an error I believe in my testing. When I am wrong I will say it.
That said the numbers are STILL positive at the moment. Just not as stellar as the flawed testing showed.
John
I have been told by a member I trust that your methods are sound and your "Hit and Run" does work. My proverbial hat is off to you, sir! Apologies if I offended!
TwoCatSam
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK FOR 26/05/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 192
TOTAL GAMES LOST 8
STRIKERATE APPROX 24/1
BALANCE =342 UNITS PLUS
WIN LOSS BREAKDOWN OVER LAST 100 GAMES PLAYED
6 WON----1 LOST /18 WON----1 LOST /26 WON----1 LOST/13 WON----1 LOST/16 WON----1 LOST/16 WON------
I believe I have made an error with my innitial testing source. Using CODE 4 results doesn't give an accurate picture of what is likely with this method. As you are nearly always using a set 20 spin sample and tagged together. They do not represent the same results as REVERSE ATTACK games which can take many more spins to complete with two triggers. So my appologies for that error. Nevertheless, the numbers I am getting thus far are positive and with a 28 unit risk I will take them. Theres a long way to go. Before I can say this method is even close to the big three. But everything is relative to risk and time.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 26, 08:03 AM 2012
John
I have been told by a member I trust that your methods are sound and your "Hit and Run" does work. My proverbial hat is off to you, sir! Apologies if I offended!
TwoCatSam
No worries Sam. Its each to their own. I appreciate its application is not for everyone. I just show what its done for me. Its up to you/others then whether they want to adopt it.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 26, 08:05 AM 2012
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK FOR 26/05/2012
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 200
TOTAL GAMES WON 192
TOTAL GAMES LOST 8
STRIKERATE APPROX 24/1
BALANCE =342 UNITS PLUS
WIN LOSS BREAKDOWN OVER LAST 100 GAMES PLAYED
6 WON----1 LOST /18 WON----1 LOST /26 WON----1 LOST/13 WON----1 LOST/16 WON----1 LOST/16 WON------
I believe I have made an error with my innitial testing source. Using CODE 4 results doesn't give an accurate picture of what is likely with this method. As you are nearly always using a set 20 spin sample and tagged together. They do not represent the same results as REVERSE ATTACK games which can take many more spins to complete with two triggers. So my appologies for that error. Nevertheless, the numbers I am getting thus far are positive and with a 28 unit risk I will take them. Theres a long way to go. Before I can say this method is even close to the big three. But everything is relative to risk and time.
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I believe you're lucky JL. I know I’m not favored by luck so it’s no mystery that in all “your†systems, i test and test and never attain the results you get, even as i believe i'm following your guidelines closely while testing.....so to me, its tough to get around the idea that your luck not is playing a big part in your results….or maybe it’s a gut feeling that you might not even be aware of…I mean, do you hesitate sometimes to bet because of something you’ve seen on the last few spinsor do you lay your bet the very first spin you come to the table….vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on May 26, 12:25 PM 2012
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I believe you're lucky JL. I know I’m not favored by luck so it’s no mystery that in all “your†systems, i test and test and never attain the results you get, even as i believe i'm following your guidelines closely while testing.....
so to me, its tough to get around the idea that your luck not is playing a big part in your results….or maybe it’s a gut feeling that you might not even be aware of…I mean, do you hesitate sometimes to bet because of something you’ve seen on the last few spinsor do you lay your bet the very first spin you come to the table….
vundarosa
Hello Vundarosa. Can I ask you a question. When/if you play CODE 4 do you play no more than 2 games a session? Luck I don't believe in personaly. I believe something either works or it doesn't. When AMK first presented CODE 4 for example I took one look at it and my gut feeling was this is one of the greatest concepts I've ever seen even before I played a single game. Its PURE GENIUS. And should be heralded as an absolute roulette smasher.
I would like you to honestly tell me how you apply yourself to CODE 4, PATTERN BREAKER and DIVIDE AND CONQUER. If you suggest you play very close to my guidlelines lets REALLY see if you do. Hesitate no. The only thing I do that some might not. Is I backtrack the marker board to get a lot of my virtual spins quickly. I never start a game from virgin spins. That might be something others should take note of. Obviously if a ZERO made up the first spin of a line in CODE 4 for instance I don't play that line.
KEEP SAYING THIS TO YOURSELF. JL only plays TWO GAMES OF CODE 4 And the session is OVER, OVER, OVER. Because I really don't believe many are playing just two games.
"When/if you play CODE 4 do you play no more than 2 games a session? Luck I don't believe in personaly. I believe something either works or it doesn't. When AMK first presented CODE 4 for example I took one look at it and my gut feeling was this is one of the greatest concepts I've ever seen even before I played a single game. Its PURE GENIUS. And should be heralded as an absolute roulette smasher."
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@JL, as Sam pointed out, about being pure genius i don't know.....but i suspect that, by your logic, almost any decent method played 2 games a session should be a roulette smasher...
vundarosa
Quote from: vundarosa on May 26, 05:20 PM 2012
"When/if you play CODE 4 do you play no more than 2 games a session? Luck I don't believe in personaly. I believe something either works or it doesn't. When AMK first presented CODE 4 for example I took one look at it and my gut feeling was this is one of the greatest concepts I've ever seen even before I played a single game. Its PURE GENIUS. And should be heralded as an absolute roulette smasher."
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@JL, as Sam pointed out, about being pure genius i don't know.....but i suspect that, by your logic, almost any decent method played 2 games a session should be a roulette smasher...
vundarosa
Vundarosa I asked you a specific question, And you come back with a second notion on Sams comment. How does that get you anywhere??
I'm still playing and I've been stopping for a break or switching tables after only one game.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 26, 05:05 PM 2012
JL
You wrote: "When AMK first presented CODE 4 for example I took one look at it and my gut feeling was this is one of the greatest concepts I've ever seen even before I played a single game. Its PURE GENIUS. And should be heralded as an absolute roulette smasher."
If you are going to continue to talk in the above manner I, for one, think you should explain to this forum why CODE 4 is pure genius. Is there anyone who will join in asking him this?
Please just use plain English. You may, if you wish, assume I am the stupidest person on the planet. Then explain it so I will understand it.
Understand, I am not saying it doesn't work; I merely want an explanation as to why it is PURE GENIUS.
Tell me with specificity why the first bet you make has a greater chance of winning than my just betting against the dozen that came coming again.
Thank you.
TwoCatSam
The method is pure genius in its simplicity yet effectiveness in producing winners in .the HIT AND RUN application. Its betting frequency is fixed yet can produce extraordinary winning streaks. Now Sam what did you tell me this morning? Now you are back on the train of doubt again. That's fine. I don't know if you can grasp the advantage of Hit and Run Sam. It might be that you think youre being cheated if you don't stay at the table for an extended period of time and win a bundle. Old ways and habits die hard, very hard.
Betting ultimately for one pure game is indeed superior to staying at the table. My 7,640 real games have proven this. If you play one game at a time SAM with odds of 80/1 its very hard for random to take your bet on the very first attempt. Of course you will lose at some point. But in the meantime you could rack up several hundred singular wins before you finaly run into that losing game. If you however leave the gate open too long. YOU WILL DEFINATELY LOSE.
True no one knows randoms ebb and flow. But also remember this. You speak of the run from hell. Well if you said I am going to the casino and playing 60 consecutive games of CODE 4 today and you are hit with a run from hell you may lose 3 or 4 times in that 60 games. Wiping out several hundred units. I will be dead and gone before I will ever lose 3 or 4 times playing 60 single games Sam. Its never going to happen.
Random simply cannot deliver that many losses to a game here and a game there. Sure I have lost two games closely 22 apart to be precise but one of them was the second game of my two game session. Then I won 300 plus after that. You could never play that many consecutive games and not lose several times.
Random cannot land on that single first game very often its just a fact. Mathheads don't like it when everything can't be laid out in facts and figures for them. It makes them uneasy. And look a little silly. Because to start with I've said this before. The only area of math that really has anything to do with roulette is PERCENTAGE. Its randoms keeper. True you cannot predict where and when random will do something. But eventually it gets pulled back into line by Mr percentage. By playing HIT AND RUN you defy the laws of probability. What applies to continous play is thrown out the window. If I play 6 games on 6 different tables it has no relation to playing 6 consecutive games on one table.
That's why simulations are worthless. They can never replicate all these factors. The only playground you can truly validate anything regarding your method in. Is the playground you intend to use it in. That this fundamental essential cannot be understood by many on this forum and in the roulette world in general, is another reason few get anywhere with this game.
I repeat myself:
Tell me with specificity why the first bet you make has a greater chance of winning than my just betting against the dozen that came coming again.
JL
I would just like to know. Is that so bad? What is it about waiting and creating this matrix that causes those two dozens to be more likely to hit than any other two dozens at any time?
If you can't answer this, your theory simply doesn't hold water.
John, a gentleman told me he uses your system and profits from it. I'm not calling you a liar; I'm calling you out.
I would just like to know the answer to my question.
Sam
John, u play 2 games a session. U play maximum 20 games a day, right?
how many spins (or how long time) is minimum between sessions? And also what about the same wheel or different wheels? do u make any difference between the same wheel and different ones?
i would appreciate very much your timeframe info, with as many details as possible. For the same wheels and different wheels.
thank u
2CS- What Mr. Johnny Legend has said numerous times is the probability of hitting a losing sequence vs a win once on a short few spins of play & then leaving that table.
He acknowledges that betting patterns often change from positive winning results to negative losing results throughout most playing sessions. He is only stating what he has experienced with losses over previous years of play. He then subscribes to A. Returning at a later time to that same table and run his hit and run short play again. He also subscribes to limiting the number of bet visits to a table in 1 seession/day: OR B. Visit other tables and rely on randomness differences to achieve the same thing.
In practical terms this is almost impossible to test due to the variances in the nature of the hit & run play.
As I've already mentioned on CODE 4 that I'll be doing a similar thing in the near future across 8 live dealer tables each randomly selected and betting for a single win & then leave that table, repeating the bet format at another table. Mathematical odds/differences & probabilities may in theory have some validity but in reality, as JL is already experiencing, so far he is in overall profit.
To win is the end game is it not?
As to getting spin results in real time on 8 tables simultaneously to compare the variances, at this point in time, that's just not possible.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 27, 01:06 AM 2012
John
You also said: "By playing HIT AND RUN you defy the laws of probability."
How can you make such a statement. Can you prove it mathematically? Can you get a mathematician to agree to that statement? Probability says betting two dozens on a non-zero wheel gives you a 66.66666% chance of winning. Explain in great detail how just dropping in randomly changes that fact. And what percentage does it give you? 80? 90?
Here is a fact for you: If you can't get an advantage on one spin, you can't get one on a hundred. Where is KonFuSed when you need him?
I have read some bloviators on these forums, but Bro, you take the cake.
And there are people who think I'm wacky for believing in "Voodoo Roulette".
I don't expect an answer; just more obfuscation and bloviation.
I'm out....
No, really!!
TCS
Sam I am not going to labour over this. Some minds cannot be changed. I don't say I can explain why. I go by nothing more than the results I attain by applying Hit and Run. As I have said before. I have lost the first game of my session just 6 times in over 3,800 games to date.
That is a statistic that continous play could never match. To me it makes sense that getting in and out quickly and playing different tables can produce superior results than just sitting at the same table waiting for random to chew you up. To others nothing makes sense other than what they have been fed over the years.
Quote from: iggiv on May 27, 01:42 AM 2012
John, u play 2 games a session. U play maximum 20 games a day, right?
how many spins (or how long time) is minimum between sessions? And also what about the same wheel or different wheels? do u make any difference between the same wheel and different ones?
i would appreciate very much your timeframe info, with as many details as possible. For the same wheels and different wheels.
thank u
Yes Iggiv a maximum of 10 times 2. There is no specific timeframe Iggiv other than getting off randoms track. By that I mean if you started forming your 4 wide matrix on TABLE A you never play more than two games consecutively on it. You must now either move to another table or break the sequence. I use at least 4 different wheels in any one day. There is something to using different wheels I think. Remember I play 10 times 2 a day. But actually record 10 times 4. Now the stats I have attained over the last year tell me without a shadow of a doubt less is more in this game. Below are the total losses 1--4 games have delivered over 15,200 plus games to date.
GAME 1=6 LOSSES FROM 3,800 GAMES TOTAL
GAME 2=15 LOSSES FROM 7,600 GAMES TOTAL
GAME 3=35 LOSSES FROM 11,400 GAMES TOTAL
GAME 4=44 LOSSES FROM 15,200 GAMES TOTAL
And that is just a small sample of 4 games a session. But it tells me all I need to know.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 27, 05:41 AM 2012
I agree. This is a pointless debate. Bettor 27 reported strike rate bit over 100/1 in around 900 games played in hit and run fashion over long period of time. Its reply 645 in Code 4 thread.
Robeenhuut you keep using one other persons figures to make your point. What about Chauncy47. How does 900 games compare to 7,600?. And at the end of the day 110/1 is still positive numbers. Which afterall is what playing this game is about. If you don't have STAYING POWER Robeenhuut you will always be playing around system hopping and never getting anywhere.
If I started playing/testing a method and lost three times in the first 50 games. Do I stop and dismiss the method as no good? No, its peoples inherent lack of patience and staying power that fails THEM not the methods. Your greed is another major weakness. You want ridiculous return on a small investment. Sorry its not going to happen.
At my local Sydney OZ B & M casino last year I've played unplanned twin dozens betting simultaneously on multiple tables with no structure to my play. Some visits I've won other times I've lost some $$$. Thus my current rethink/plans now taking shape.
Be that as it may, what I want to note is the variables that occur with the spin results of multiple live dealer wheels/tables.
As an example I get to the casino at 10am. The player numbers, as is usual, are relatively light.
4 tables may be open at that time & maybe a couple more elsewhere in the casino?
At 11.30pm 4 more tables open so then there are 8 to choose from. At 12pm the main day shift starts and another 8 tables open so then you have 16 tables in 2 banks of 8 all in the same area. In that 1st 2 hours player numbers have also slowly increased.
At some tables the dealer may stand around not spinning due to lack of players? Other tables can be quite crowded as the sheeple punters seek comfort from being within the herd. Then other tables may only have 1 or 2 players with quick spins. I've been the only player on a table at times with a spin every 15 seconds. Crowded tables are usually slow with spins maybe 5 - 6 minutes apart. I also notice that once a player starts playing at any vacant table it soon attracts other players, it often doesn't take too long for that table to become crowded with sheeple and thus the spin cycle slows to a snails pace.
So lets look at a hypothetical bank of 8 tables operating on a typical early casino afternoon and the ebb & flow of spins. All these spins I list here are just guestimates of what can occur. I'll list the spins in 20 min blocks of 3 as periods 1., 2. & 3. to make it a total of 1 hour as spins per hour
( SPH) for all 8 tables.
T1- 1. x3, 2. x10, 3. x8 = 21SPH. T2- 1. x0, 2. x40, 3. x18 = 58 SPH. T3- 1. x5, 2. x5, 3. x4 =14SPH. T4.- 1. x8, 2. x9, 3. x8 = 25SPH. T5.- 1. x25, 2. x30, 3. x18 = 73SPH. T6.- 1. x4, 2. x4, 3. x3 =11SPH. T7.- 1. x8 2. x8, 3. x8 = 24SPH. T8.- 1. x20, 2. x18, 3. x20 = 58SPH.
This is just 8 tables. Right behind this bank of 8 is another bank of 8 should you so choose to include those in your random picks.
So as you can see the variables, in practical betting terms, are almost infinite and this is what JL validly states (in my opinion) when he says that when played against itself in disciplined hit & run mode, random vs random can't deal out enough losses to PREVENT consistant profits?
JL & others are already showing this to be the case with up to many thousands of laid bets so far.
The analysis can only come from the results. The method will either win or lose.
I don't see any logical way to pre - analyize the variable spins of multiple table spins or random breaks and limited revisits to the same table. You would need high res. accurately linked video with split second timing links simultaneously split linked from all or any of the tables. "This ain't gunna happen any time soon, now is it ?" Not this Century anyway?
Much conversation on this subject fails to address this core random vs random fact? JL has hammered this point time & time again in oh so many of his posts.
I say, like JL says, try to play the game exactly as he's explained. You can virtual bet it at any live casino. It won't cost you any bet money, just some of your time. A true classic case of try before you buy. Then a person may be in a position to post their then valid opinions - good, bad or indifferent?
Quote from: ausguy on May 27, 08:24 AM 2012
At my local Sydney OZ B & M casino last year I've played unplanned twin dozens betting simultaneously on multiple tables with no structure to my play. Some visits I've won other times I've lost some $$$. Thus my current rethink/plans now taking shape.
Be that as it may, what I want to note is the variables that occur with the spin results of multiple live dealer wheels/tables.
As an example I get to the casino at 10am. The player numbers, as is usual, are relatively light.
4 tables may be open at that time & maybe a couple more elsewhere in the casino?
At 11.30pm 4 more tables open so then there are 8 to choose from. At 12pm the main day shift starts and another 8 tables open so then you have 16 tables in 2 banks of 8 all in the same area. In that 1st 2 hours player numbers have also slowly increased.
At some tables the dealer may stand around not spinning due to lack of players? Other tables can be quite crowded as the sheeple punters seek comfort from being within the herd. Then other tables may only have 1 or 2 players with quick spins. I've been the only player on a table at times with a spin every 15 seconds. Crowded tables are usually slow with spins maybe 5 - 6 minutes apart. I also notice that once a player starts playing at any vacant table it soon attracts other players, it often doesn't take too long for that table to become crowded with sheeple and thus the spin cycle slows to a snails pace.
So lets look at a hypothetical bank of 8 tables operating on a typical early casino afternoon and the ebb & flow of spins. All these spins I list here are just guestimates of what can occur. I'll list the spins in 20 min blocks of 3 as periods 1., 2. & 3. to make it a total of 1 hour as spins per hour
( SPH) for all 8 tables.
T1- 1. x3, 2. x10, 3. x8 = 21SPH. T2- 1. x0, 2. x40, 3. x18 = 58 SPH. T3- 1. x5, 2. x5, 3. x4 =14SPH. T4.- 1. x8, 2. x9, 3. x8 = 25SPH. T5.- 1. x25, 2. x30, 3. x18 = 73SPH. T6.- 1. x4, 2. x4, 3. x3 =11SPH. T7.- 1. x8 2. x8, 3. x8 = 24SPH. T8.- 1. x20, 2. x18, 3. x20 = 58SPH.
This is just 8 tables. Right behind this bank of 8 is another bank of 8 should you so choose to include those in your random picks.
So as you can see the variables, in practical betting terms, are almost infinite and this is what JL validly states (in my opinion) when he says that when played against itself in disciplined hit & run mode, random vs random can't deal out enough losses to PREVENT consistant profits?
JL & others are already showing this to be the case with up to many thousands of laid bets so far.
The analysis can only come from the results. The method will either win or lose.
I don't see any logical way to pre - analyize the variable spins of multiple table spins or random breaks and limited revisits to the same table. You would need high res. accurately linked video with split second timing links simultaneously split linked from all or any of the tables. "This ain't gunna happen any time soon, now is it ?" Not this Century anyway?
Much conversation on this subject fails to address this core random vs random fact? JL has hammered this point time & time again in oh so many of his posts.
I say, like JL says, try to play the game exactly as he's explained. You can virtual bet it at any live casino. It won't cost you any bet money, just some of your time. A true classic case of try before you buy. Then a person may be in a position to post their then valid opinions - good, bad or indifferent?
SHEEPLE I love the terminology Ausguy. Well everyone thinks ole JL only believes in HIT AND RUN. Well actually no. The word I've used in the past and the other main school of thought I believe in is PERCENTAGE betting. I am currently testing a method to be called CODE 40. Because its a game of up to 40 spins but stays faithful to AMKS CODE 4 GRID.. It on many occasions secures a profit to level stakes. But I am playing it with two staking levels to assure a profit margin. After 100 tests its behaviour has become very readable.
I have always said this, Mr percentage is randoms keeper. It pulls it into line. It lets it go out to play and have its fun but over a set number of spins you will see a common behaviour repeated AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. And that's how the smart methods are forged.
When you see something occur so often within a set framework. You have in essence secured a window of profit oppurtunity. And that's the name of the game for me anyway.
Quote from: mattymattz on May 27, 09:21 AM 2012
I've always wondered why people who are posting "winning" methods on these forums continously tweek their system. If it's working so well, why are you changing it?
And personally, the hit n' run method is no different from playing a long session, it's really just the same thing and in the long run you'll see that's the case.
MM
Changing what MM. CODE 4 is a gem and I will be playing it for the rest of my life. The method I am working on at the moment is completely different in its thinking and execution. It will be a lot more attractive to the people who don't like HIT AND RUN. And those who don't have much BR to spend. It will however as always demand. the players time and staying power to reap the sure rewards it has waiting.
P.S I beg to differ on your summary of HIT and RUN. Unless you can show me a method that would have had a better return than 3,800 won and 6 lost. I've never seen one and I doubt I everwill.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 27, 09:53 AM 2012
P.S I beg to differ on your summary of HIT and RUN. Unless you can show me a method that would have had a better return than 3,800 won and 6 lost. I've never seen one and I doubt I everwill.
As I said, personally I don't see the difference. What's stopping you from playing your 2 sessions and both of them losing, then when you "run/leave" you miss all the winning sessions. Then when you come back to "hit" again, you lose some more.
I'm not trying to change your mind, it's just my way of thinking. I find that if it can't win playing continously, then hit n' run style is just a way to delay the inevitable.
And by the way, I've played a system where I won over 30,000 units and only lost once, of course that lose was 10,000+ units... so it's all subjective.
Cheers,
MM
Quote from: mattymattz on May 27, 10:05 AM 2012
As I said, personally I don't see the difference. What's stopping you from playing your 2 sessions and both of them losing, then when you "run/leave" you miss all the winning sessions. Then when you come back to "hit" again, you lose some more.
I'm not trying to change your mind, it's just my way of thinking. I find that if it can't win playing continously, then hit n' run style is just a way to delay the inevitable.
And by the way, I've played a system where I won over 30,000 units and only lost once, of course that lose was 10,000+ units... so it's all subjective.
Cheers,
MM
10,000 units plus. that's simply unrealistic. I could forge several methods that would win forever for that kind of outlay. But who on earth could afford to play them.???You have to strike a balance between risk and reward. that's what I try to do. On this forum most can't even afford 200 units so its an uphill battle to bring something that they can both afford to play and delivers
enough profit margin VS time spent to satisfy them. Yes its all subjective. Risk and reward. I think CODE 40 will be more appealing to many. But you just don't know. Its the mind and always the mind that's the weak link here. I've only seen a few people who are really up to the task of winning consistently on any forum.This one is no different.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 27, 05:50 AM 2012
Robeenhuut you keep using one other persons figures to make your point. What about Chauncy47. How does 900 games compare to 7,600?. And at the end of the day 110/1 is still positive numbers. Which afterall is what playing this game is about. If you don't have STAYING POWER Robeenhuut you will always be playing around system hopping and never getting anywhere.
If I started playing/testing a method and lost three times in the first 50 games. Do I stop and dismiss the method as no good? No, its peoples inherent lack of patience and staying power that fails THEM not the methods. Your greed is another major weakness. You want ridiculous return on a small investment. Sorry its not going to happen.
What about Chauncy47? U brought him up so lets discuss this. He reported winning 10u on a first step of progression of your new gem Reverse Code 4 and winning 5u on other steps. Me and GLC questioned his numbers but there was no reply... And what about your new development John? No new testing 2 be reported. I guess that everybody lost interest.
But we did not test according 2 your rules.....and of course your strike rate is far superior that everybody's else. I have nothing more 2 say. ;D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 27, 10:39 AM 2012
What about Chauncy47? U brought him up so lets discuss this. He reported winning 10u on a first step of progression of your new gem Reverse Code 4 and winning 5u on other steps. Me and GLC questioned his numbers but there was no reply... And what about your new development John? No new testing 2 be reported. I guess that everybody lost interest.
But we did not test according 2 your rules.....and of course your strike rate is far superior that everybody's else. I have nothing more 2 say. ;D
I guess they did Robeenhuut doesnt that more or less spell it out about the human mind. As soon as you arent winning all the time you lose interest. Little wonder that most are never going anyhwere with this game.
Chauncy47 Is one of the few made of the right stuff to beat this game. And on a double zero wheel too. I applaud his resolve and positive attitude. He can only play 5 dollar units thats why he is reporting those numbers.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 27, 10:46 AM 2012
I guess they did Robeenhuut doesn't that more or less spell it out about the human mind. As soon as you aren't winning all the time you lose interest. Little wonder that most are never going anyhwere with this game.
Chauncy47 Is one of the few made of the right stuff to beat this game. And on a double zero wheel too. I applaud his resolve and positive attitude. He can only play 5 dollar units that's why he is reporting those numbers.
It's true that I can only play $5 min bets and sometimes $10 if it one of those nights and when I get to a high progression, I do cover the zero's. For me, it was and still is all about the discipline of my behavior, thinking and rules to each method. For example, I got in my car and drove 15 minutes to the casino almost every night for 6 months without ever placing a sinle bet. I did it to test the methods, observe the game and the people and the enviroment and to make sure I had the proper mindset to play for real. This appraoch isn't for everybody, but it will be for some...
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 27, 10:46 AM 2012;D :D
I guess they did Robeenhuut doesn't that more or less spell it out about the human mind. As soon as you aren't winning all the time you lose interest. Little wonder that most are never going anyhwere with this game.
Chauncy47 Is one of the few made of the right stuff to beat this game. And on a double zero wheel too. I applaud his resolve and positive attitude. He can only play 5 dollar units that's why he is reporting those numbers.
Hello JL
How do you know that im not winning with roulette? Do you think that you are the only one that can beat d game and everybody else that does not play yr way is a loser? And Chauncy47 next time you post your numbers make sure that they make sense. Again how come you win 10u on first step and 5u on other steps of progression betting for one dozen.
Regards
Quote from: Chauncy47 on May 27, 11:04 AM 2012
It's true that I can only play $5 min bets and sometimes $10 if it one of those nights and when I get to a high progression, I do cover the zero's. For me, it was and still is all about the discipline of my behavior, thinking and rules to each method. For example, I got in my car and drove 15 minutes to the casino almost every night for 6 months without ever placing a sinle bet. I did it to test the methods, observe the game and the people and the enviroment and to make sure I had the proper mindset to play for real. This appraoch isn't for everybody, but it will be for some...
That is dedication you simply don't see too often. Even I would be hard pressed to match that.
My upcoming method CODE40 will have no excuses from anyone. Its not hit and run. It requires very little risk. And the majority of the time it can profit to level stakes. And its really the end of the line for me with methods on forums. After that all I will do is update results on the methods I stay with and play. Its the best percentage method I've found and its inspiration comes from AMKs stroke of genius with the alternating Dozens and Columns.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 27, 11:38 AM 2012
Hello JL
How do you know that I'm not winning with roulette? Do you think that you are the only one that can beat d game and everybody else that does not play yr way is a loser? And Chauncy47 next time you post your numbers make sure that they make sense. Again how come you win 10u on first step and 5u on other steps of progression betting for one dozen.
Regards
Well if you are Robeenhuut youre certainly being shy about reporting both the METHOD and the RESULTS. Why dont you report them? So the forum can see it. Instead of everyone jumping on my wagon then calling me a liar. I dont care for that. Anyone winning well done. But show it. So we can get rid of all these useless negative charactors who do no good for anyone.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 27, 11:44 AM 2012
Instead of everyone jumping on my wagon then calling me a liar.
Just for the record, I never jumped on your bandwagon and haven't called you a liar.
:wink:
MM
Quote from: mattymattz on May 27, 11:46 AM 2012
Just for the record, I never jumped on your bandwagon and haven't called you a liar.
:wink:
MM
You dont have to I can read between the lines. And what of you MM and this method that won 30,000 times. Where is it.? Why do we have people on here ready to throw criticism, then they smugly claim theyve got the game cornered??? Lets see your hand.
Quote from: Johnlegend on May 27, 11:44 AM 2012
Well if you are Robeenhuut youre certainly being shy about reporting both the METHOD and the RESULTS. Why don't you report them? So the forum can see it. Instead of everyone jumping on my wagon then calling me a liar. I don't care for that. Anyone winning well done. But show it. So we can get rid of all these useless negative charactors who do no good for anyone.
Just check the testing thread. I guess i did most of d testing there of yr new method and actually my results were not so bad. But in d last 2 days not much happened there so i guess you can not accuse me of having some kind of agenda against you. I'm not politically correct and just voice my opinion but i expect you 2 reply in a constructive way 2 my and other people criticism. And i never called you an liar. Just quote anything in my posts that makes you think so. If its a case i would be d first 2 apologize. English is my third language so just bear with me ;D
Regards
JL - Sheeple is not an original descripter from me. I pinched it from discussion posts on some stock market investor forums. It was a very popular term after the GFC in Oct. 2008. Sheeple relates to the follow the herd fear of the unknown mentality as investors sell off their stocks in a wave of panic.
Many quality stocks halved in value eg quality OZ bank stocks, for no valid reason, in 4 months?
Savvy investors buying in Feb. 2009 more than doubled their money in 8 months as values returned to almost pre GFC prices. I couldn't get in on the ground floor as my house sale was still going through. I still did ok getting on the train a little later.
The extra profit allowed a better house purchase than planned. However you can only enjoy the comfort of a home no matter how luxurious. For day to day things we all need cash flow. I've prematurely retired due to unexpected health issues. The pensions ok, just.
Roulette offers above average wage income potential. In OZ any gambling winnings are tax free. Lotto, casino, track, sports betting you name it. Another benefit is the brain exercising they recommend to ward off dementia. I certainly get plenty of that with lots of number crunching and forum typing, my spelling & typing speed has also improved.
So I'm not heading to the old peoples home just yet & as my father always said, "the best thing to practice is being late for your own funeral." I'm honing those skills every day.
Congratulations on your new system JohnLegend. Good to know there are those that still believe there are lucrative ways to play Roulette.
Quote from: ausguy on May 27, 12:07 PM 2012
JL - Sheeple is not an original descripter from me. I pinched it from discussion posts on some stock market investor forums. It was a very popular term after the GFC in Oct. 2008. Sheeple relates to the follow the herd fear of the unknown mentality as investors sell off their stocks in a wave of panic.
Many quality stocks halved in value e.g. quality OZ bank stocks, for no valid reason, in 4 months?
Savvy investors buying in Feb. 2009 more than doubled their money in 8 months as values returned to almost pre GFC prices. I couldn't get in on the ground floor as my house sale was still going through. I still did ok getting on the train a little later.
The extra profit allowed a better house purchase than planned. However you can only enjoy the comfort of a home no matter how luxurious. For day to day things we all need cash flow. I've prematurely retired due to unexpected health issues. The pensions ok, just.
Roulette offers above average wage income potential. In OZ any gambling winnings are tax free. Lotto, casino, track, sports betting you name it. Another benefit is the brain exercising they recommend to ward off dementia. I certainly get plenty of that with lots of number crunching and forum typing, my spelling & typing speed has also improved.
So I'm not heading to the old peoples home just yet & as my father always said, "the best thing to practice is being late for your own funeral." I'm honing those skills every day.
Isnt that human nature to a T Ausguy???
Hi J L.
Great news you are soon to reveal another new method.
When do you think G40 will be advised to us all ?
Best Regards,
Dino.
Hey GLC,
yes I agree - it's great to see new posts and some new ideas. I love testing new stuff if it seems to have some reasoning behind it. I like it even better when people are honest about it.
Cheers,
MM
"...why someone needs to create another method when they have a "winning" one."--Mattymattz
There will always be a faster, less complicated way to do something. Take the rotary phone and typewriter. Both complete the tasks they're designed for, then progress produces more efficient ways of accomplishing the same things. Same for gambling systems.
Matymatz, we don't need bad guys here. So it's better to be good :)
John, thanx for sharing the timing info on different wheels.
Quote from: mattymattz on May 27, 01:35 PM 2012
well not quite the same - but a great answer none the less Proof.
I say it's not the same because I haven't "officially" seen a system that works yet (such as the typewriter or rotary phone). Now if someone had "the grail" and then others tweaked it to make it more efficient, that would be the same.
MM
Hi Matty,
Pleased to see you here, as for the holy grail , I am close to a pseudo-grail. I am developing a little complicated system that needs some mathematical knowledge to use it. I am still developing and testing it, until now it lost once every 70 spins. I will post it in episodes when I finished it .
Best wishes for CODE 40 John. You are always striving for excellence with your systems. Some like
your ideas, others do not. That will always be the case. Roulette is not the easiest game in the
world to beat. If we can play CODE 40 continuously, and not just hit and run, I think you are on the
right track mate. Looking forward to CODE 40. Regards, rossco.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 31, 12:08 PM 2012
Be still my pounding heart!!
Why do you Bother Sam. I told you yesterday if you dont like me and the methods I use. Simply ignore me and do your own thing.
Go watch the video, John. Pop some corn, pour a drink and see your system lose.
John, I have carried your arse down to the pond, and Brother, you don't walk on water!
Sam
P.S. I'm sure you'll tell me I did it all wrong. For twenty years you would be telling me this. You are the Great Obfuscator. You are like trying to nail Jello to the wall.
All the best with code 20 John.
I for one can not wait for it :)
This forum exceeds my expectations in terms of entertainment value :D Keep up good work amigos.
Quote from: Robeenhuut on May 31, 12:58 PM 2012
This forum exceeds my expectations in terms of entertainment value :D Keep up good work amigos.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this way!
Thanks JohnLegend for sharing and pushing ever onwards.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 31, 12:29 PM 2012
Go watch the video, John. Pop some corn, pour a drink and see your system lose.
John, I have carried your arse down to the pond, and Brother, you don't walk on water!
Sam
P.S. I'm sure you'll tell me I did it all wrong. For twenty years you would be telling me this. You are the Great Obfuscator. You are like trying to nail Jello to the wall.
Pat yourself on the back. You proved it could lose wonderful.
Quote from: amk on May 31, 02:22 PM 2012
Thanks JohnLegend for sharing and pushing ever onwards.
AMK its a pleasure. Your wonderful alternating DOZENS and COLUMNS has spawned two new impressive phenomenons within a 20 spin frame. One I call Trilogy. Which debuts tonight. And the other will be CODE20 which. I will present soon. I have a bit of fine tuning to do on it first.
High regards JL
Pat yourself on the back. You proved it could lose wonderful.
That is what we testers are supposed to do. Not march lockstep over the cliff.
Trust me, if you had a winning system, I would be one of the first to shout it from the rooftops. I care not a whit for ego; I simply want to win. I'll jump on anyone's train if it's heading to Profitsville!
Aw, geez, I gotta write a song!
..taking' the train down to Profitsville
Cmaj should do it!!
LoL
Sam
Samster you often make me laugh before my casino visit,and guess what,
it is a sign I will do well again.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 31, 03:19 PM 2012
Pat yourself on the back. You proved it could lose wonderful.
That is what we testers are supposed to do. Not march lockstep over the cliff.
Trust me, if you had a winning system, I would be one of the first to shout it from the rooftops. I care not a whit for ego; I simply want to win. I'll jump on anyone's train if it's heading to Profitsville!
Aw, geez, I gotta write a song!
..taking' the train down to Profitsville
Cmaj should do it!!
LoL
Sam
But you didn't prove it cannot profit overall. that's where casual people like you Sam miss the point. You put in a little testing. And you think that tells the story of a methods potential or lackoff. I don't think you really have an idea of what it takes. If a bot struggles to break a method like it did MATRIX VERTICAL 5. We will get the likes of Superman throwing a hissy fit and running away like a spoilt child whose had his candy stolen. Then we get a casual tester like you
Who manages to lose on an intermediate method like the CODES. Lets see what you make of TRILOGY. I'm gonna love this.
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 REVERSE ATTACK
TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 300
TOTAL GAMES WON 284
TOTAL GAMES LOST 16
STRIKERATE APPROX 18/1
BALANCE 398 UNITS PLUS
Well 8 losses in the last 100 games is disappointing but the strikerate overall is still decent and I am still in positive numbers which as always is the name of the game
WIN/LOSS----7---1---12---1---14---1---9---1---22---1---11---1---4---1---12---1---1