This method I got from ex member of this forum
several months ago,and ever since am winning
with it.It is based on E/C bet,and it is most evenly
balanced bet I have ever seen earlier.
It can be play as you/she wish,1,2,4,8.....very rarely
goes over/and this phenomenon you can hardly see in
any E/C bet/flat bet,it wins more then it loses/even thought
attached session 3-/but I play it 1+ on a los 1- on a win.
From oct.last year didn't lose as yet.
Try it and find out.Good luck
Btw-did got a permission to post it.
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 11:18 AM 2012
This method I got from ex member of this forum
several months ago,and ever since am winning
with it.It is based on E/C bet,and it is most evenly
balanced bet I have ever seen earlier.
It can be play as you/she wish,1,2,4,8.....very rarely
goes over/and this phenomenon you can hardly see in
any E/C bet/flat bet,it wins more then it loses/even thought
attached session 3-/but I play it 1+ on a los 1- on a win.
From oct.last year didn't lose as yet.
Try it and find out.Good luck
by the way-did got a permission to post it.
Hello Vile
Can u explain it bit better ? I just see some numbers n lines on yr chart.
Thx.
Sorry forgot,rules;
Bet last/recents/3 lines after 4 uniques,like;
2,
4,
5,
3...trigger
6..L...still trigger
5..W
4..nb..trigger
6..W
5..nb
3..nb..trigger
1..L
4..L
3..W.....and so on...the longest losing strike in attachement 4
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 11:53 AM 2012
Sorry forgot,rules;
Bet last/recents/3 lines after 4 uniques,like;
2,
4,
5,
3...trigger
6..L...still trigger
5..W
4..nb..trigger
6..W
5..nb
3..nb..trigger
1..L
4..L
3..W.....and so on...the longest losing strike in attachement 4
Hello Vile
Thx 4 d rules. I was bit confused that u mentioned E/C bet.
Regards
Actually it is,18 numbers bet.
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 12:05 PM 2012
Actually it is,18 numbers bet.
Yeah u right. U just bet 3 lines after 4 unique ones hit. Sorry its late here ;D
It's never late to study a winning bet.
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 12:17 PM 2012
It's never late to study a winning bet.
After i watch England vs France :D
This method is ridiculous, just kidding!!!!
Thank you for sharing this method, I really like it.
You play 1+ on a loss 1- on a win.
You do this betting until +1 unit then start over?
Could you show some examples of your betting next to the W and L's.
Thanks
Watching soccer now,but it is all very clear mate.
Just do it with att. LW,and find out.
ITALY WILL WIN. :xd:
Quote from: warrior on Jun 11, 12:34 PM 2012
ITALY WILL WIN. :xd:
Maybe. Lets take a poll :D
RUSSIA
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 12:37 PM 2012
RUSSIA
They play my country 2morrow. No way :D
Pavljuchenko....goooooool,tomorrow
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jun 11, 12:20 PM 2012
After i watch England vs France :D
Enjoying the game seeimg as 4 of my tram are playimg. Man City Premier LeagueChampions
You ppl.better get hold of this METHOD
to get rich....lol
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 01:03 PM 2012
You people.better get hold of this METHOD
to get rich....LoL
Hehe Vile
U start sounding like.... Chill out. ;D Get some vodka n zakuski n watch France kick England ass.
Only good OLD SMUGGLER or DIMPLE
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 01:14 PM 2012
Only good OLD SMUGGLER or DIMPLE
Laphroaig or Lagavulin ;D
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 01:16 PM 2012
either way i tested it and it just lost on the 4th bet with 1.2.4.8 progr. .... -45 chips
I don't play thatway,its your decision,only way to bet,maybe you won't
lose next 96 bets...try some more..if you wona get rich.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 01:50 PM 2012
this system is the same thing like betting an EC when we have 4 of the same or 4 changes...it has the same probability of winning and we all know what is the outcome of this....
But I thank you for posting it.
My dear MOF,
You are soooooo sooooooo wrong...try to do it same with B/R,O/E,L/H
with same attachement,then you will see the true.
How come my banc account is much ticker since octobar last year.
Giving you money on the plate and you are spitting nonsense.
Do some study of this...and btw...there is a real reason why this can't
lose 5-10 in the row like other EC bets,but you will find it I'm sure.
You like to get rich,this is your chance.
Angry????
man far from that,just that I would feel sad if you refuse
to get rich....lol...Do that and you will see.
1+ ON A LOS 1 MINUS ON A WIN...With many skipped
spins,thus sometimes avoiding zero.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 02:18 PM 2012
and when u lose a bet and the next spin is making also a trigger do u bet the NEW 3 lines? or the same bet as the previous one?
Exactly - you know it would really help if you posted full rules on how to play this, otherwise we're just guessing... It seems quite interesting.
A.
Not speaking for Ville....
But my understand is you ALWAYS bet the three newest lines.
Study the sheet.
'Course, I've had a rum and coke...........
JL has drove me arse to drinkin!! I just love him!
:love: TwoCatSamster
ok for people who want to test this i will once again attach a superb programme for looking at results which will show you quite a lot...download the rar file exctract with a free program called winrar...open the folder you have exctacted it to ......right click on purple/red rp circle application and run as administrator....you can input your numbers in and save your results by clicking on file ..save... a box will come up and name your session ending in .dat....to open a saved file click on file ..open and a box will appear..click on any saved sessions you have put in....similary you can rename any of your text spins up to 50000 to .dat and when you open file you an copy and paste it in there.....also 2 slider bars under past results at bottom..run length...and depth...slide them both to left..now any number you put in you can see can see what results came out after that particular number..just press the calculate button under slider bars...at the top where it says colours at the top under past results is a drop down bar where you an choose what you want to look at after that number...should be very helpful for checking this system out....
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 02:18 PM 2012
and when u lose a bet and the next spin is making also a trigger do u bet the NEW 3 lines? or the same bet as the previous one?
It is so simply self explained in attachement.BUT HERE;
2,
4,
3,
6.....trigg.
2-l-trigg..4,3,6,....3 ch - bet 2 ch.
3.w...n.b. 6+..................................3+
1.nb..trigg.6,2,3,
5..l-...trigg.2,3,1,.....3-bet 2 ch. 0-
4..l-...trigg3.,1,5,.....6-bet 3 ch. 6-
1..w..n.b. 9+bet 2 ch 3+
6..nb..trigg.5.,4,1,
4..w..nb.. 6+bet 1 ch. 9+
I think it should be brightly clear now.
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 02:36 PM 2012
It is so simply self explained in attachement.BUT HERE;
2,
4,
3,
6.....trigg.
2-l-trigg..4,3,6,....3 ch - bet 2 ch.
3.w...n.b. 6+..................................3+
1.nb..trigg.6,2,3,
5..l-...trigg.2,3,1,.....3-bet 2 ch. 0-
4..l-...trigg3.,1,5,.....6-bet 3 ch. 6-
1..w..n.b. 9+bet 2 ch 3+
6..nb..trigg.5.,4,1,
4..w..nb.. 6+bet 1 ch. 9+
I think it should be brightly clear now.
Its really not :sad2:
WHEN YOU HAVE 4 UNIQUE LINES BET ON 3 LAST LINES.
CLEAR NOW
lol i get it vile i think its just the money bit thats confusing to some...is this the system you wanted people to learn themselves to figure out from one of your first post?? and to everyone who downloaded that program does it work ok?? just downloaded it myself and it works fine for me
It works fluently for me last 7 months.
again vile is this the system that you was on about in one of your first post?
Have already stated it mostly wins FB...other questions unswered
all of them.
Hi vile,
Worked good for me in a quick test playing as you said. Thanks for posting. What is FB?
A.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 03:03 PM 2012
I asked a very simple and specific question and instead of a simple answer we got again numbers ....
and as u saw none understood it.
The question again is :
when u lose a bet and the next spin is making also a trigger do u bet the NEW 3 lines? or the same bet as the previous one?
I think that we are betting the NEW 3 lines...but we need an answer to be 100% sure.
You didn t answer also how many bets have u played it?
In 7 months you can imagine how many...I don't know...but know
how much money I won,which won't tell you...now back to Kiew
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 11, 03:09 PM 2012
Hi vile,
Worked good for me in a quick test playing as you said. Thanks for posting. What is FB?
A.
flat bet
lol atlantis....you just made me chuckle
12 2
2 1
21 4
27 5 ............four unique lines. He bet on 1 4 and 5
35 6 L..........six comes and he loses.....He has 4 (1 4 5 6) unique and he bets.....
0 L.........zero comes and he loses still 4 unique (1 4 5 6) and he bets.....
21 4 W.......He has 4 unique (1 4 5 6)he bets on the last three lines...(6 5 4) and wins.....
Am I wrong, Ville?
Sam
that sounds about right sam its on a rolling basis
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 11, 03:13 PM 2012
12 2
2 1
21 4
27 5 ............four unique lines. He bet on 1 4 and 5
35 6 L..........six comes and he loses.....He has 4 (1 4 5 6) unique and he bets.....
0 L.........zero comes and he loses still 4 unique (1 4 5 6) and he bets.....
21 4 W.......He has 4 unique (1 4 5 6)he bets on the last three lines...(6 5 4) and wins.....
Am I wrong, Ville?
Sam
No Samster...even with rum and cola...lol
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 11, 03:13 PM 2012
LoL atlantis....you just made me chuckle
Wha?? Whatta I do to make you have the chuckles? Oh I see FB! Well I was thinkin' of something else it might have stood for ;)
Actually kinda hopin' it meant "mostly wins FIRST BET" :)
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 11, 03:27 PM 2012
Wha?? Whatta I do to make you have the chuckles? Oh I see FB! Well I was thinkin' of something else it might have stood for ;)
Actually kinda hopin' it meant "mostly wins FIRST BET" :)
A.
No it doesn't,but also as you can see from the attachment only
twice lost 4 times in the row in more then 500 spins......
DID YOU EVER SEE THAT BETTING RED BLACK?????and by the way-if some of you think the numbers might be fabricated,ask Sam
for this session which he posses long now,from my real play.
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 03:34 PM 2012
No it doesn't,but also as you can see from the attachment only
twice lost 4 times in the roe in more then 500 spins......
DID YOU EVER SEE THAT BETTING RED BLACK? ??? ?
and by the way-if some of you think the numbers might be fabricated,ask Sam
for this session which he posses long now,from my real play.
No need check you tell IT the way it is. :thumbsup:
Ville speaks the truth. I have the numbers.
When the rum has worn off, I'll try to see why this wins.
I know this guy from way back. Don't sell him short until you have tried his methods.
There are people who win. I'm not one of them, but they are out there.
Check out the competition on the other forum. Look at MM and Carlos.
Dang! I'm writing in short sentences.
Like Thomas Grant.
God help me!!
Sam
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 03:37 PM 2012
If its a flat bet winner then winning on the 1st bet is the same as when we say that its mostly winning flat bet
Sure. Nice and easy to play. I like it.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 03:46 PM 2012
After a while atlantis you will say :
"I am losing badly with this system but its Nice and easy to play. I like it. " ;D
That's Ok Master, to prevent large losses I will play it hit - n - run :xd: >:D >:D :twisted:
A.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 03:39 PM 2012
""""""No it doesn't,but also as you can see from the attachment only
twice lost 4 times in the roe in more then 500 spins......
DID YOU EVER SEE THAT BETTING RED BLACK?????""""""""""
I have seen a lot more strange things in roulette outcomes,,,this is nothing
Dear MOP,glad that you did,but it seems you don't grasp my thoughts,but never mind.
I have no time to argue here,and btw...I play this 7 months,with constant winnings,and
didn't had intention of posting,but got sick of these matrixes,which provely don't work,so decided to give you some food for your thoughts.Therefore don't give me roulette lectures,instead test this
propely and find out for yourself.And I have seen strange things in my almost 50 years constant
playings.....but this I haven't seen as yet.......Do you get what I mean now.Do some walks then talk.
I said that???show us.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 11, 04:15 PM 2012
LoL....
read for urself..... don't be lazy
And you test for yourself instead of waisting my time,am in Kiew now.
Ukraine-Sweden
ok for the couple of emails who don't know how to use my program heres a quick video i hope it works i got no microphone but use my instructions and watch video
link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=BY9FHK31ngI&feature=youtu.be# (link:://:.youtube.com/watch?v=BY9FHK31ngI&feature=youtu.be#)
Thanks for sharing, FLAT/Vile. Any system posted by a genuine pro has to be worth a look.
GLC modified dambert,would be a nice touch to this.
Thank you sir for making this public.
In fact a very huge fan of yours showed me this some time ago. I wonder if it will be hyped...
Nice to have you.
Cheers,
AL
Enjoying this with a standard D'Alembert, actually. Makes me think that there might be some merit in running a differential bet with this: Last 3 to show repeat vs. last 3 to show not repeat. I think this bet selection has the back and forth that might make a differential profitable. Maybe throw in my dynamic differential betting to swap as one side or the other moves ahead and play to the strength of the trend.
Kind of fun practised a hundred spins----good work
seeing as i noticed football talk on ere i thought you could build your bank up with these 2 bets that are not going to lose!!
Russia to beat poland odds are crazy 2.44!!! 2nd bet is to bet over 2.5 goals @ 2.06 in the germany vs netherlands game netherlands have a poor defense but good attacking germany will sure score some goals!
Somebody want to check this ..... additional spins provided if you want to continue.
Spins 300+
B & M (Mohegan Sun)
Wheel: 00
High +51
Low -927
Probably playing it wrong .... appreciate the direction.
Always happy to try something slightly different.
1
2
5
3 bet 2,5,3 x 1.
4 -1. Bet 5,3,4 x 2.
6 -3. Bet 3,4,6 x 3.
1 -6. Bet 4,6,1 x 4.
5 -10. Bet 6,1,5 x5.
3 -15. Bet 1,5,3 x 6.
4 -21. Bet 5,3,4 x 7.
6 -28. Bet 3,4,6 x 8.
2 -36. Bet 4,6,2 x 9.
4 -27. n.b.
1 n.b. bet 2,4,1 x 8.
4 -19. n.b.
1 n.b.
1 n.b.
3 n.b.
6 n.b.
3 n.b.
1 n.b.
5 n.b.
2 bet 1,5,2 x 7.
3 -26. Bet 5,2,3 x 8.
6 -34. Bet 2,3,6 x 9.
1 -43. Bet 3,6,1 x 10.
3 -33. n.b.
4 bet 1,3,4 x 9.
4 -24. n.b.
4 n.b.
5 n.b.
2 n.b.
6 bet 5,2,6 x 8.
2 -16. n.b.
6 n.b.
3 n.b.
1 bet 6,3,1 x 7.
4 -23. Bet 3,1,4 x 8.
2 -31. Bet 1,4,2 x 9.
6 -40. Bet 4,2,6 x 10.
4 -30. n.b.
1 bet 6,4,1 x 9.
6 -21. n.b.
3 bet 1,6,3 x 8.
1 -13. n.b.
3 n.b.
1 n.b.
3 n.b.
6 n.b.
5 bet 3,6,5 x 7.
5 -6. n.b.
6 n.b.
2 n.b.
4 n.b.
2 n.b.
3 n.b.
3 n.b.
4 n.b.
3 n.b.
5 n.b.
2 bet 3,5,2 x 6.
1 -12. Bet 5,2,1 x 7.
5 -5. n.b.
2 n.b.
6 bet 5,2,6 x 6.
6 +1. WINNER.
It made a good comeback considering it lost the first 8 bets.
Question
if we get these results
2 4 5 3 we bet 4 5 3 then it comes 1 so thats a loss do we now bet 5 3 1 or stay with 4 5 3
Stackbundles, looking at this example from Vile suggests we always use the three newest.
It is so simply self explained in attachement.BUT HERE;
2,
4,
3,
6.....trigg.
2-l-trigg..4,3,6,....3 ch - bet 2 ch.
3.w...n.b. 6+..................................3+
1.nb..trigg.6,2,3,
5..l-...trigg.2,3,1,.....3-bet 2 ch. 0-
4..l-...trigg3.,1,5,.....6-bet 3 ch. 6-
1..w..n.b. 9+bet 2 ch 3+
6..nb..trigg.5.,4,1,
4..w..nb.. 6+bet 1 ch. 9+
A small twist would be to turn it into a dozens bet by seeing where the win came in the previous three double streets.
My example produced the following....
1,2,1,3,2,1,1,1,3,1,3.
You could leave out the furthest back of the three.
1 6 1 2 4 3 3
l w
2 3 3 1 4 6 5 3 5
l l w
3 5 5 6 6 3 3 2 6 5 4 3 5
L L W
4 3 5 4 6 1 3 1
L L W
3 1 3 6 1 5 4 1
L W
5 4 1 1 5 6 2 6
w
2 6 1 6 1 2 4 2
l w
4 2 1 6 6
w
up one on a loss down one on a win worked nicely,, never played past 3 attempts in another 100 spins---pretty impressed
just spins--the 4 diff do come up enough----just testing by hand--100 here /100 there... in casino roulette I hardly ever play more than 60-80 spins...... This may be a nice addition to other plays.......
I'm getting some good vibes from this Vile gent.
His system smells like money to me. But I have a feeling that you have to play it just like he says.
From one gentleman to another, thanks Mr. Vile! :lol:
Quote from: GLC on Jun 11, 11:32 PM 2012
I'm getting some good vibes from this Vile gent.
His system smells like money to me. But I have a feeling that you have to play it just like he says.
From one gentleman to another, thanks Mr. Vile! :LoL:
Yeah. From my preliminary testing on air ball it wins very often in first 2 spins. I was only taken once 2 6u betting level n recovered.
Regards
So whats the needed BR to play this :)
--Yes BAYES I got this from FLAT_IN_O,and poasted with his permission
1,
2,
5,
3,
4,
6,.....6 different lines
-----then again
1,
5,
3
4,
6,
2.....6 diff. again in 12 spins
Those above are Fluke Luk. numbers,and this kind of UNIQUE ROLL,you will ever hardly
find in any perm.session.....even thought at so short spins it comeback and won
The fact is that I haven't lost with this as yet.
That's why I call it a METHOD STUDY.....in other words take 5-10 perm.sessions and
see and learn how are lines behaving...in 90% or more they are repeating as a whole,and when
you find as above 2x6 unique lines let me know....that my be when I get 90...LoL...good luck.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 11, 08:12 PM 2012
Somebody want to check this ..... additional spins provided if you want to continue.
Spins 300+
B & M (Mohegan Sun)
Wheel: 00
High +51
Low -927
Probably playing it wrong .... appreciate the direction.
Here look attachement...played about 50 first spins,don't know wether you are doing
it right o not as don't understand your excel,but you can recheck it up with my score.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 12, 05:34 AM 2012
One thing that the method should have is that if we are on a stage that we have to bet more than 4-4-4 chips we need to cover the zero...never cover zero as at the end you will lose more then in.
I also have 2 questions...
Why are we waiting for 4 def. lines and not just 3? that's diff.bet that could take you quickly down.
And why are we leaving out the 4th line and not the 1st(last)???? this is the most vital question
cause thatway we would be betting 4 lines,24 numb.and we know where it leads too.
An other experiment would be to bet all the 4 def lines....this is more logical to me from the point of the bet selection.....we will have less profits and bigger losses but its all about hit ratio...
my dear MOP,YOUR LOGIC IS UNLOGICAL....TRY ANY/even the one I attached/SESSION WITH BOTH BETS THEN YOU WILL SEE GREAT DIFFERENCE.
Quote from: vile on Jun 11, 02:00 PM 2012
My dear MOF,
You are soooooo sooooooo wrong...try to do it same with B/R,O/E,L/H
with same attachement,then you will see the true.
How come my banc account is much ticker since octobar last year.
Giving you money on the plate and you are spitting nonsense.
Do some study of this...and by the way...there is a real reason why this can't
lose 5-10 in the row like other EC bets,but you will find it I'm sure.
You like to get rich,this is your chance.
Would you please expand on this comment
Thank You
O0
THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON TO WHAT''''
Can't get what you are trying to say...and to mr.Darko,
don't even understand his question.Gentleman I don't
get you....there is a method,there are many sessions,
take it todays Wiesbadens,and simply prove my statements
wrong.I'm really tired of silly and insignificant questions,so please
save me out of this kind of irrelevant communications.
Fundamental point:Bankroll needed?
@m_o_p, you are suggesting this is illogical and then go on to say that you think we should cover the zero. ;D Now that is illogical!! (except for if the bet called you to play 1,2,3 or 4,5,6 and you could cover (low) or (high) with le partage rules.
The zero is just another number on the wheel. Why not cover '27' for example if you are playing 1,4 and 6 and on the 4th step of the d'alambert. It really makes no sense.
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 12, 06:37 AM 2012
Fundamental point:Bankroll needed?
To me it means nothing.
With low BR don't even
go near casino,as you may
lose it on the way there...LO
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 07:07 AM 2012
To me it means nothing.
With low BR don't even
go near casino,as you may
lose it on the way there...LO
------------------------
so how much is this low BR?!
i think the question has merit, what BR do you play with?
vundarosa
This played flat bet should produce small profit but will keep losses small, maybe for 3-6 unit grinders like me should work perfectly, looking the spins some of the members here posted, the ratio is around 50:50 so staying long enough on the wheel will produce a profit.. the thing is how often there will be sessions from hell? Anyone with some feedback on this? I really like the whole idea!
Quote from: vundarosa on Jun 12, 07:36 AM 2012
------------------------
so how much is this low BR?!
i think the question has merit, what BR do you play with?
vundarosa
Well if I tell you may no believe so I better not.
It is simply ridiculous question,to me anyhow.
Who ever invented that;what BR do you need--
really never play roulette seriously.My unswer.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 12, 06:22 AM 2012
So this is a winner without any logic behind it...
That's what you just said,didn't heard me saying it.
on the contrary...neither that this is HOGRA nor that it can't eventually tank.
What I said that am winning with this for 7 months now.Maybe you won't
be so lucky cause I really didn't reveal all but only the base of the bet that why
it's call a STUDY,and it's up to your willingness to continue to explore further.
Good luck and have a fun while getting rich....LoL
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 08:29 AM 2012
.Maybe you won't
be so lucky cause I really didn't reveal all but only the base of the bet that why
it's call a STUDY,and it's up to your willingness to continue to explore further.
Good luck and have a fun while getting rich....LoL
I already did. In few seconds i saw your excel. Actualy didn't wanted to say anything about it, but when you already mentioned let it be then.
The time has come then, if you will be this summer in casino Admiral, i belive you will see some young chap playing this who could seem familiar to you. 8)
Regards
Drazen
Why dont we play lines 245 anytime there is 3 opposite play thos line ,1 up on a loss 1 down on a win,maybe thos will win mor then they lose.what do you think? VILE.
4
3
6
4
6
4
5
5
5
3
3
4
3
1
4
6 bet 1,4,6 x 1.
5 -1. Bet 4,6,5 x 2.
2 -3. Bet 6,5,2 x 3.
4 -6. Bet 5,2,4 x 4.
2 -2. (2nd) n.b.
2 n.b.
4 n.b.
1 n.b.
1 n.b.
3 n.b.
4 n.b.
3 n.b.
6 n.b.
4 n.b.
1 bet 6,4,1 x 3.
6 +1. (1st) n.b.
5 bet 1,6,5 x 1 (revert back to x 1 when in profit)
1 +2. (1st) n.b.
1 n.b.
6 n.b.
6 n.b.
5 n.b.
4 n.b.
1 bet 5,4,1 x 1.
3 +1. Bet 4,1,3 x 2.
5 -1. Bet 1,3,5 x 3.
3 +2. (2nd) n.b.
Here is how I would play my slight twist if I wanted to play this as a dozens bet.
You will see on a win how I have noted either (1st) (2nd) or (3rd)
The first winning bet was when I played the 5,2,4.
The 2 came up and therefore that is the second outcome from the 5,2,4.
The second winning bet was when I played the 6,4,1.
The 6 came up and therefore that is the first outcome from the 6,4,1.
So now I have a (2nd) and (1st) The three has not appeared yet and therefore is the furthest back.
So I can play for a repeat of the (2nd) and (1st) which would just see me placing 2 double street bets = a dozen bet.
The advantage of this could be a slightly softer progression on the up as you lose, down as you win d’alambert.
I would have played the 1 and 6 double streets on the third winning bet and the 1 and 3 double streets on the fourth winning bet.
Quote from: warrior on Jun 12, 08:54 AM 2012
Why don't we play lines 245 anytime there is 3 opposite play thos line ,1 up on a loss 1 down on a win,maybe thos will win mor then they lose.what do you think? VILE.
Well you can do as you wish and think is best.
But who know what's the best.Many,many those
line bets and one should find what suits him,how to
play,with continuations or breaks,swapping from one to other,
the more simple the better.Why you ppl. don't try to invent
a progression diff. then those standard ones,that don't put
you so back if losing...maybe here is solve of all problems.
Did you ever thought of that.These math guys could unswer this.
Very good FL.....good imagination and direction for others.
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 09:22 AM 2012
Well you can do as you wish and think is best.
But who know what's the best.Many,many those
line bets and one should find what suits him,how to
play,with continuations or breaks,swapping from one to other,
the more simple the better.Why you people. don't try to invent
a progression diff. then those standard ones,that don't put
you so back if losing...maybe here is solve of all problems.
Did you ever thought of that.These math guys could answer this.
What kind of progression would you suggest?
I tested another 250 on double zero and went to 4 one time---bravo and thanks! I will test about 500 more and try it out real
Warrior
In his 1st post vile says he uses +1 on a win and -1 on a loss
BW
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 12, 11:33 AM 2012
I tested another 250 on double zero and went to 4 one time---bravo and thanks! I will test about 500 more and try it out real
Don't untill you find proper solution.
Its there.
A quick game at smartlive (live wheel) using the dozens variation.
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5 (1st) n.b.
3 qualify 1,5,3.
3 (3rd) n.b. (so looking for (1st) and (3rd) to continue.
6 n.b.
5 n.b.
2 bet 6+2 x 1 chip each.
4 -2. Bet 5+4 x 1 chip each.
5 +2. (1st) n.b.
6 bet 4+6 x 1 chip each.
3 +0. Bet 5+3 x 1 chip each.
3 +4. (3rd) n.b.
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4 bet 5+4 x 1 chip each.
4 +8. (3rd) n.b.
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4 bet 3+4 x 1 chip each.
5 +6. (2nd) so now the (1st) is furthest back. Play (2nd)+(3rd) when betting opportunity arises.
4 n.b.
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6 bet 2+6 x 1 chip each.
6 +10. (3rd) n.b.
It never got out of first gear. I was planning on a 1 1, 2 2, 3 3 etc.... progression. (up 1 as you lose, down 1 as you win. Revert to beginning on any new 'highest profit')
Man you are getting inane like little school kid.
So will you get of my back you unintelligent.
actually instead of unintelligent it was i...t
Quote from: flukey luke on Jun 12, 12:15 PM 2012
It never got out of first gear. I was planning on a 1 1, 2 2, 3 3 etc.... progression. (up 1 as you lose, down 1 as you win. Revert to beginning on any new 'highest profit')
Hi FlukeyLuke,
That's exact progression that I was thinking of trying - but using vile's way. Thanks for your report.
A.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 12, 11:48 AM 2012
Warrior
In his 1st post vile says he uses +1 on a win and -1 on a loss
BW
Buffalo,
I think that he plays it 1+ on a loss, and 1- on a win. The first post, You're right.
Also said that you can play it as you wish,
and as long.
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 12:06 PM 2012
Don't until you find proper solution.
Its there.
???
Good journey and better learn something then looking round
if anybody spell wrongly something or said something.
To get somewhere you got to work hard yourself to get there.
So start working instead of irrelevant talking.Amen.
Vile, I saw 1 example of Zero, and we continued because the 4 before it were still unique but what are we actually doing with the zero...especially as it walks through as we look for a trigger. Completly ignore it? Ive done this and this is working well. 100 spins +27 progression to 3 only once. Also, I prefer your 1+1+1+1-1-1 rather than 1-2-4-8
Turner
Mr.self call MASTER OF POCKETS
I have deleted all your posts.Why????
Couse you have been so persistently abusive and sarcastic
with your comments.
Checking up your forum history have noticed this sickness of
yours in other ppl.threads.
I would love to say few more things to you but mods would delete it
but anyhow grow up and preach lectures to your imminents,you i...t.
I agree with vile.
Don't play for real until you find proper solution. I haven't found it yet...
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 02:26 PM 2012
I agree with vile.
Don't play for real until you find proper solution. I haven't found it yet...
A.
What solution is there to find Atlantis? Seems like this is as safe a bet as any and vile says he has made profit from 7 months play. Or is there a tweak we haven't heard about yet?
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 02:26 PM 2012
I agree with vile.
Don't play for real until you find proper solution. I haven't found it yet...
A.
The opposite is wide open 3 different lines. 0n 10000 spins biggest drawn down 6 hit on the 7th spin when a 0 comes you you continue on the same 3 lines.10000spins :twisted:
Why I said that Atl. couse tried today one session of yesterday Wiesbaden
and seen something that never seen in my last 7 months play.
Went ok.....then 7 loses in the row,few wins,then 9 loses in the row,
6 wins,3 loses,5 wins,and couldn't get out the hole in the end,not much
but hole.Incredible but true.In real where I play it works like Patek Philippe.
Queer.
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 02:25 PM 2012
Mr.self call MASTER OF POCKETS
I have deleted all your posts.Why????
Couse you have been so persistently abusive and sarcastic
with your comments.
Checking up your forum history have noticed this sickness of
yours in other people.threads.
I would love to say few more things to you but mods would delete it
but anyhow grow up and preach lectures to your imminents,you i...t.
Master_of_disguise me thinks. Check out the CAPITALS when tying to make a POINT.
Now where have i seen that before.
In roulette, the hole is always out there somewhere, like a black hole lurking invisible in the universe ready to obliterate you (and your purse)
Hi Vile, BW
Well I just played a session with real numbers and got +51 in 100 spins (highest bet 3-3-3) - BUT I played the OPPOSITE of the 3 lines that vile says we're supposed to bet!!
:) :)
A.
True
I was thinking the opposite on when they dont separate as in : 1223 play 456 --lol ,, but am still looking to the answer for the clue? lots of fun today I thought it was pretty good as first written. Also not sure if it can be used on 0/00 ?
still clueless
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 02:56 PM 2012
Hi Vile, BW
Well I just played a session with real numbers and got +51 in 100 spins (highest bet 3-3-3) - BUT I played the OPPOSITE of the 3 lines that vile says we're supposed to bet!!
:) :)
A.
You see,whatever,could be combined.Only 8 possible bets should be explored.
W or L,stop, wait new trigger with +1 on L -1 on W.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 02:56 PM 2012
Hi Vile, BW
Well I just played a session with real numbers and got +51 in 100 spins (highest bet 3-3-3) - BUT I played the OPPOSITE of the 3 lines that vile says we're supposed to bet!!
:) :)
A.
It's the age old conundrum of 'do you go with the hot streak or the cold streak'?
The most recent hit streets or the least recent, or a mixture of both!
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 02:26 PM 2012
I agree with vile.
Don't play for real until you find proper solution. I haven't found it yet...
A.
Its a very good method Atlantis. Not unlike my PHASE 3 method which I still play from time to time. To spell it out in laymans terms. You are risking 45 units to win 3. Or you require 15 wins to match a single loss. A strikerate of over 50/1 very possible. If anything is going to lose your progression most of the time its the green goblin.
You would need a BR of around 200 units to play this method comfortably. Its not a grail. But it is a solid profit maker if you can stay with it. Its a mental thing. We think even chance we normally think RED or Black OR ODD or even. The best even chance methods are actually on the lines (double streets) or streets themselves. They can give random the runaround a lot longer than red or black.
But you have to lay three times as much to find out. Theres the barrier for most....
Hi JL,
Yes I agree. Even posted a "Line Bet Combo" myself once. But maybe vile has a secret up his sleeve to make this a safer type of bet??
A.
Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=9638.msg81744#msg81744 date=1339528712.
But you have to lay three times as much to find out. Theres the barrier for most....
/quote]
Not so JL,
Couse on outside bets,R/B,O/E,L/H,in most EU casinos is 10 euros these days,
while 3 lines x 2 chips of 2 euros=6 euros.
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 03:25 PM 2012
[quote author=Johnlegend link=topic=9638.msg81744#msg81744 date=1339528712.
But you have to lay three times as much to find out. Theres the barrier for most....
Not so JL,
Couse on outside bets,R/B,O/E,L/H,in most EU casinos is 10 euros these days,
while 3 lines x 2 chips of 2 euros=6 euros.
Yes Vile, but online its still one chip on red or whatever outside even chance. And 3 on the lines to play this method or my PHASE 3 which is a similar line method. Its very good anyway. But people like MOP want explanation for everything. Instead of just playing.
On line?????NEVER
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 03:33 PM 2012
On line? ??? ?NEVER
Online can be beaten as easy as a B&M casino vile especially Hit and Run style. Or just as easy as Play mode RNG. I did hundreds of tests to make sure they don't cheat. If you know the saturation point of your method. You will know in a hurry if someone is cheating. This is why I absolutely know certain REAL MONEY MODE RNGs do indeed cheat. They are the ones to avoid.
And to continue....
When I got this bet from FLAT,didn't get it full explained
but only base of it with further explanation that if I was really
roulette player should find the solution.It took me couple months
but did find it.Conditions of permission to post this was the same,
give the base of the bet and let them find rest.Therefore guys sorry
but can't break rules.Have give you enough and don't give up just
that there is 8 possible trigger bets only.Should be easier now.Good luck
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 03:50 PM 2012
And to continue....
When I got this bet from FLAT,didn't get it full explained
but only base of it with further explanation that if I was really
roulette player should find the solution.It took me couple months
but did find it.Conditions of permission to post this was the same,
give the base of the bet and let them find rest.Therefore guys sorry
but can't break rules.Have give you enough and don't give up just
that there is 8 possible bets only.Should be easier now.Good luck
That's a clever way to avoid Superman busting it on his bot LoL. Love that Vile,
Vile, I didn't see a spreadsheet attached to your note to me. Here are the numbers in the same format you've shown on the post. If you begin around the 100 spin mark it tanks and doesn't recover playing +1 -1. Maybe I've got it wrong. Would appreciate it if you can play and post. Thanks much
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Hi Vile , can you explain the system to me please , i downloaded it but i dont understand it , i would like to give it a try , regards J
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 12, 04:03 PM 2012
Vile, I didn't see a spreadsheet attached to your note to me. Here are the numbers in the same format you've shown on the post. If you begin around the 100 spin mark it tanks and doesn't recover playing +1 -1. Maybe I've got it wrong. Would appreciate it if you can play and post. Thanks much
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Now when I quoted it didn't get your numbers as posted but in heroglifes.Could you check it up.
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 03:50 PM 2012
And to continue....
When I got this bet from FLAT,didn't get it full explained
but only base of it with further explanation that if I was really
roulette player should find the solution.It took me couple months
but did find it.Conditions of permission to post this was the same,
give the base of the bet and let them find rest.Therefore guys sorry
but can't break rules.Have give you enough and don't give up just
that there is 8 possible trigger bets only.Should be easier now.Good luck
He's the Keeper of the Great Secret to the consistent winning bet! So its up to us to break the code in a quest to search for the answer to the mystery. darn! It's Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Rennes-Le-Chateau and Da Vinci Code all over again :)
A.
LOL......simple only 8 poss.trigger bets with said lines.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 04:28 PM 2012
He's the Keeper of the Great Secret to the consistent winning bet! So its up to us to break the code in a quest to search for the answer to the mystery. darn! It's Holy Blood, Holy Grail, Rennes-Le-Chateau and Da Vinci Code all over again :)
A.
Love the terminology Atlantis. CODE 20 as I now see it. Is a Holy Grail. Big statement? We will find out when I put it to the test against Bayes Roulette game. The new term is Virtual SATURATION. Random has it. Can you find one. This method almost has it. CODE 20 has it.
This method yes,but not as presented.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 12, 04:44 PM 2012
Love the terminology Atlantis. CODE 20 as I now see it. Is a Holy Grail. Big statement? We will find out when I put it to the test against Bayes Roulette game. The new term is Virtual SATURATION. Random has it. Can you find one. This method almost has it. CODE 20 has it.
Hi JL,
It's good you're staying put after all the flak you've taken recently. And agreed to undertake Bayes' test. I'm still intrigued by the code20 match concept - but still waiting for the *genuine* rules so I can test it properly the way it should be done rather than second guessing the correct method of play.
A.
and.......its betting on 18 numbers, which can sleep for 14 spins. Any 18 can sleep. Not just the pretty painted ones.
Ive had some promising runs on this but.......
I just played this and got to 7 units on each line. That would have been the best part of my £100
gone. It got better but kind of got stuck inbetween 4 and 7 units, up and down. With some long qualifying for triggers, and never getting back to my original stake, I got bored.
That wasnt waiting 2 mins per spin either. That was clicking RX when ready.
I thought of changing to the oposite if it got to 4 without a win, but its mind boggling. And, you know what will happen? The one you just left will hit and your new selection will sleep for 4.
The hole is in every system.
Played on RX with Speilbank actuals.
Paul: "put your head in this Guillotine and Ill give you $10"
Dave: "When does it drop?"
Paul : "every 12 minutes"
Dave: "when did it last drop?"
Paul: "No one knows"
Dave: "Whats all this sawdust for"
Paul: "Dunno....the Casino owner put it there."
LoL! ^-^
Hi Turnerfeck, I've had similar experience playing in RX with highs of 11-11-11 chips and it has tanked twice for me so far.. Agree about the up/down and time thing. Funny, got better result when playing opposite 3 lines; but how to tell when to switch?
A.
The rise and fall of systems is as sudden and devastating as an overarm throw by steven seagal
Quote from: vile on Jun 12, 04:14 PM 2012
Now when I quoted it didn't get your numbers as posted but in heroglifes.Could you check it up.
Attached is the spreadsheet with the spin number and line number only. The first 100 or so spins provide for a good result, then it tanks and doesn't recover. Again, I'm thinking I'm playing it wrong, but I don't think so. I've purposely left my results off so we can see how you would play these spins.
Thanks much.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 05:27 PM 2012
LoL! ^-^
Hi Turnerfeck, I've had similar experience playing in RX with highs of 11-11-11 chips and it has tanked twice for me so far.. Agree about the up/down and time thing. Funny, got better result when playing opposite 3 lines; but how to tell when to switch?
A.
Im not takin the *iss, honest....Its wonderful to see a post come up with an idea and everyone rallying round and not arguing. Any break from Slander City Arizona is a welcome break...Im doing a study right now on how long these horrible holes go on for. How long streets sleep...lines....splits
on RNG vs actuals. SHould be interesting (probably depressing) Usually something you didnt expect leads to something.
I tested this for 200.000 spins.
I will present the results here in chunks of 10.000 spins.
TEST # 1
Straight Wins - 810
Now i will show wins after X Losses
1 |
| 268 |
2 |
| 158 |
3 |
| 86 |
4 |
| 40 |
5 |
| 25 |
6 |
| 9 |
7 |
| 3 |
8 |
| 4 |
9 |
| 0 |
10 |
| 1 |
11 |
| 0 |
12 |
| 1 |
| Wins: | 1405 |
| Losses: | 1380 |
| Profit: | 25 |
TEST # 2
| Wins: | 1394 |
| Losses: | 1406 |
| Profit: | -12 |
Straight wins = 784
Win after X Losses
X
1 |
| 283 |
2 |
| 154 |
3 |
| 88 |
4 |
| 45 |
5 |
| 20 |
6 |
| 9 |
7 |
| 5 |
8 |
| 2 |
9 |
| 1 |
10 |
| 2 |
11 |
| 0 |
12 |
| 0 |
13 |
| 0 |
14 |
| 1 |
TEST # 3
| straight Wins | 751 |
1 |
| 260 |
2 |
| 153 |
3 |
| 78 |
4 |
| 45 |
5 |
| 24 |
6 |
| 8 |
7 |
| 11 |
8 |
| 1 |
9 |
| 0 |
10 |
| 1 |
| Wins: | 1332 |
| Losses: | 1359 |
| Profit: | -27 |
@vile
Just a thought!
Have you considered testing this with Tera TNT ?
I was doing some studying tonight and was testing 'TNT' Maybe worth giving it a go with your method.
@ MASTER of pockets
Try to bet twice after trigger, if you loose just take the loss.
=)
even with this "poor" way this is profitable.
cheers
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 12, 08:53 PM 2012
is what you say tested on the 200.000 spins that u mentioned?
and so if we will lose the 2nd bet of 2-2-2 chips are we continuing again with 1-1-1 in the next trigger?
exactly. after a double loss, wait for a new trigger and restart.
it did not sink in 200.000 spins
as 4 bankroll, do not worry, every drawdown will bounce.
cheers
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 12, 08:59 PM 2012
ok thank you.
I will check it.
it may passed the 200.000 spin test that u did but we have to see it in the long run.
if you play 300 spins on a live wheal everyday...
Is more than one year and a half, long run?
How much is the long Run then?
If you code it on RX or so and test it with live spins data, you will se what i mean.
cheers
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 12, 09:12 PM 2012
It doesn't matter my friend how many spins you play over a year or over a life time....
If after the 200.000 testing of yours in the next spins the system will tank and can t recover, then in the real play we can never know this tank when will happen....it can happen in the very 1st visit !!!!
And this is why we must test a system for at least 1.000.000 spins before play....it must NOT tank on those 1 mill spins....then we have a fair chance to make money.
be my guest...
and pls post your results after...
=)
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 12, 09:12 PM 2012
It doesn't matter my friend how many spins you play over a year or over a life time....
If after the 200.000 testing of yours in the next spins the system will tank and can t recover, then in the real play we can never know this tank when will happen....it can happen in the very 1st visit !!!!
And this is why we must test a system for at least 1.000.000 spins before play....it must NOT tank on those 1 mill spins....then we have a fair chance to make money.
Hello MOP
What do u want here? Vile posted a decent method here. Maybe he was bit short tempered with u n AJ gave u some tweaks that apparently work 2. I tested it 2. I got 2 12u level n ran ouf data but got lots of early wins. Original progression posted by Vile is a good one in my opinion but you can play with that. And i would test it 4 2M spins ;D
Regards
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 12, 09:24 PM 2012
""""Original progression posted by Vile is a good one""""
how can you say its a good one when it lost the testing ?
and why do u care about the early winnings?
any system can give early winnings and then tank. If it tanked its a no no for playing....
you should know this from the 1st month that you started your roulette research.
By early wins i meant early hits in progression. And please end your annoying habit of lecturing people. By d way earlier u promised 2 be off this thread?
What made u change your mind? Maybe trying 2 prove that it does not work? ;D
This is going to take a lot of spins to get to 1,000,000. Sorry I couldnt resist! but if it went 200,000 spins and won 1,2 thats a start to something right there. Be fun to figure out the second part
good luck to all and thanks to Vile for something to work on
just an advice
for the ones who test for 1M spins, dnt forget that its a large set of trials and in HERE the law of averages and normal distribution takeover, you will mostly have 50% 50% in any trials with that huge amount, and moreover, it is impracticable anyways for human play, it will not tell you anything , because you need to have a HUGE bankroll. WHAT you should care about in that test is the UPS and DOWNS, the extremes, the skips etc..
a successful system should survive as small as 100 spins , a session in an other word. at any time you entered the game.
cheers
MOP,
I again deleted all your posts,but this time couse
you are creating a new thread in my own.
-Open your own thread and show us.
--by the way-Betting on 4 unique lines is a los and there
is a thread regarding it.
--I love and wish criticism but not with sarcastic way you do.
When you do it in future do it with contra proofs,not empty
irrelevant words.
Quote from: vile on Jun 13, 08:04 AM 2012
Soon you will know all,Vipy boy.
11 in row with a no hit ,well i was not on it .
Quote from: warrior on Jun 13, 08:11 AM 2012
11 in row with a no hit ,well i was not on it .
even 15 i saw...
it does not matter if you only attack it twice...
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 13, 07:54 AM 2012
@Alberto
The trigger rate(number of bets) of the 200.000 spins that you tasted is approximately 60.000 !
So if with your 1,2 progr. it passed its a nice number of bets. ;)
@Vile is your way of playing better than Alberto s way?
And when you say 8 triggers do you mean that the 4 def lines trigger is the 1 and there are 7 more?
Abuse your brain!
how many combinations of sectors can you have?
Mop why do you make it your business to attack anyone with a positive winning attitude? How do you know what FLATINO had? If I beat Bayes RNG program, What excuse will you offer then, Have you ever considered the possibility theres things you dont know about roulette?
He is i...t Vipy that was banned from all forums.
Got nothing better to do all day...it is his mental food
cause he is stuck to the wheelchair in front of comp.
and hates everybody around him.
Thru consultation with a friend on the board It seems that the bet gets better if the 4 diff double streets end up including all 3 dozens as in 2356 etc... Lets see what Vile says?
Quote from: vile on Jun 13, 09:03 AM 2012
He is i...t Vipy that was banned from all forums.
Got nothing better to do all day...it is his mental food
cause he is stuck to the wheelchair in front of comp.
and hates everybody around him.
I love this forum ;D So many interesting and sometimes annoying individuals around here. Do not play any posted system 4 broke. Especially with progression.
Shit can happen - BR requirement question involves worst case scenario. You dont want 2 be in position when u check yr wallet contents while playing.
Set an realistic win goal n stop loss n u ready 2 go.
Regards
Back to my theory The bet could also get stronger if the 3 choices for the bet are in the 3 dozens as in 2,4,5
tomla like your thinking...1st everyone needs to know the 8 combo,s of bet...has anyone got suggestions?
heres mine tomola,s was one of them
1 bet oppisite
2 bet same
3 if lines are all odd numbers line bet all odd lines
4 if lines are all even numbered lines bet all even lines
5 if all lines are in low half of board bet low
6 if all lines are in high half of table bet high
7 bet matching dozens if all lines are in just two qualifying dozens
8 if lines are at one end high and one in 1st doz bet high and 1st doz same for oppisite
plus now you have something vile,s been using for 7 months and his betting style re look at his puzzle he uploaded in one of his 1st post and you have keys here to decypher it...
am i on the right track vile?
Hello
I think that Vile played u a bit n u took a bait. Just follow d original rules n not try 2 improve it 2 much. It could backfire ;D
AJ suggestion make sense but i would still need a more detailed breakdown coz we can maybe shorten a progression which i always like.
regards
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 13, 10:19 AM 2012
Back to my theory The bet could also get stronger if the 3 choices for the bet are in the 3 dozens as in 2,4,5
Hi Tomla021,
Well I suppose it *could* be that... If so the qualifying 3 lines would have to be:
1-3-5
1-4-5
1-3-6
1-4-6
2-3-5
2-4-5
2-3-6
2-4-6
They are the only 8 possible combos which fit that criteria of 1 line from each dozen.
We shall see...
A.
Only the Vile knows for sure!!!! This reminds me of a good comic book who done it. Lets see if he reveals,, the second possibility is good 3 choices in separate dozens, 8 possibilities.
Well cfongratulation guys.
You deserved.Good luck.
Here.
BTW--Attached excel with same numbers as first one.
Vile am I seeing it correctly but at one point on the spreadsheet there are 11 losses in a row? Thanks
Forgot to say that FLAT told me that he plays this on several tables
and only waits for couple strikes of either last or furthers and he
makes enough to live as he likes.Also that is actually egal bet but
those inevitable zig-zag strikes makes it wins.
thanks vile i think its been a great fun thread too
Does this means, that casino era is over?
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 13, 11:51 AM 2012
Does this means, that casino era is over?
Drazen
The casino era will never be over. It would take tens of thousands of players with the right mind to do real damage. We can't even get twenty on a roulette forum. Its like I said before you could sing it from the hill tops. Advertise it on T,V in the newspaper. On the back of every taxi. On billboards. On the internet. And roulette will still be safe. The human mind. Is the weak link. And it always will be.
Maybe in this thread or a new one people should post their own test or real results because I'm sure everyone will be itching to give this a good go!
Would be good to get an idea of what others results are and win/loss ratios considering that it is flat bet on even chance
BW
one of the quickest ways to check for people who haven,t got a bot is to download the program i uploaded..the results are all there in front of you....as for the 11 losses in a row vile did you flat bet ? was the plus one on a loss and minus one on a win misdirection?
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 13, 11:57 AM 2012
Maybe in this thread or a new one people should post their own test or real results because I'm sure everyone will be itching to give this a good go!
Would be good to get an idea of what others results are and win/loss ratios considering that it is flat bet on even chance
BW
Hi Bw,
Nice idea. I'd like to see the full rules posted even though I think I understand how to play it now from looking at the latest spreadsheet. I wasn't expecting the twist of betting the opposite on a loss if there was no new qualifying bet then if that lost to wait for new qualifier... I agree it's been a fun thread (and not over yet) so congratulations to VILE :)
A.
Many thanks Vile, very kind of you to help us.
Perhaps we can get out of this prison after all :)
Quote from: 6th-sense on Jun 13, 12:03 PM 2012
one of the quickest ways to check for people who haven,t got a bot is to download the program i uploaded..the results are all there in front of you....as for the 11 losses in a row vile did you flat bet ? was the plus one on a loss and minus one on a win misdirection?
ONLY FLAT
Quote from: amk on Jun 13, 12:19 PM 2012
Many thanks Vile, very kind of you to help us.
Perhaps we can get out of this prison after all :)
I did,won 7 un. last night on 2 tables,7x3=21x20=420 euros.
just in half time tested short session
yesterday wiesbaden 9+ I think
hey, vile
i want to say thank you for easy 12 units:)
1
2
4
5
5+3
5+6
2+9
4+12
new wiesbaden att.....3+
but as you could see in attach.
the game should have been finished
after about 20 spins and 6 or so plus.
That's how its played.
Hard rules for this would be highly appreciated. I have read it all but still confused at some points
Hi Vile, I have a couple of point's I'd appreciate you help me with:
2
6
3
6 w <I get this win here
2 w <and this win here
4 l <I get why this lost, but then aren't you meant to switch to 3 furthest back?
4 w <So shouldn't you have bet 1,3 and 5, because 2,4,6 were most recent?
also:
6
4
3 l
3 w
4 l
6
1 <are you taking the 4,6,1 here as your new trigger lines? Just to clarify that the line you lost
on (4) is still counted towards a new trigger.
3 l
6 l
3 w
4 l
Thanks Vile
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jun 13, 03:20 PM 2012
Hi Vile, I have a couple of point's I'd appreciate you help me with:
2
6
3
6 w <I get this win here
2 w <and this win here
4 l <I get why this lost, but then aren't you meant to switch to 3 furthest back?
4 w <So shouldn't you have bet 1,3 and 5, because 2,4,6 were most recent?
couse 4,5,1 are furthest back..therefore you lost on 4 but again won on the same,
also:
6
4
3 l
3 w
4 l
6
1 <are you taking the 4,6,1 here as your new trigger lines? Just to clarify that the line you lost
on (4) is still counted towards a new trigger.---4 L,6 L,1 NB...trigger
3 l
6 l
3 w
4 l
Thanks Vile
Am going to casino after football,and I am aiming 5-10 eventually,
because strikes on both sides give us this advantage.Whenever in
front 5-10 should be enough.
Try to go for a 5 + which you will achieve in every
normal night session,sometimes at the very start sometimes
throughout the game,but be for sure it will happen so.
Testing this otherwise you will find it as a egal bet.
can someone please explain this system to me , please , regards J
Quote from: prodec2 on Jun 13, 04:12 PM 2012
can someone please explain this system to me , please , regards J
open excel and everything is there.
Vile if I have understood the system correctly the best word to say it better is that when the bet is losing we are betting the other lines that were out of the bet....and not the furthest back.
If I am correct then the members will get it ....
So eg . betting 1,3,6 IF lose then we switch to the other lines 2,4,5...Am I correct?
And if this will also lose, then we are waiting for an other trigger of 3 def lines that belong to 3 def dozens.
im confused to if we are using 3 diff double streets in 3 dozens or do we need 4?
read excel . dont get it Vile ,
prodec,
wait for three unique lines
Each of these lines must be in a separate dozen
When you have 3 unique lines, bet that one of those lines will repeat
1
3
6 bet 1 3 6
5 loss
5 6 3 are new lines and because you have lost 1st bet you now bet
the lines that havent hit or that are furthest back, so 1 4 2
2 win, so you carry on betting 1 4 2 until a loss
1 win
5 loss
Now wait for a new trigger (3 distinct lines) and start over.
Hope this helps a little
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 13, 04:34 PM 2012
Vile if I have understood the system correctly the best word to say it better is that when the bet is losing we are betting the other lines that were out of the bet....and not the furthest back.
If I am correct then the members will get it ....
So e.g. . betting 1,3,6 IF lose then we switch to the other lines 2,4,5...Am I correct?
And if this will also lose, then we are waiting for an other trigger of 3 def lines that belong to 3 def dozens.
that's how I've understood also - the
opposite instead of the
furthest
Ahh its starting to sink in more--a little more time is all that I need
thanks people
You get the set-up (3 double streets each in a diff dozen) : bet last 3 if win continue that bet until a loss then wait for a new target.
If lose bet the 3 double streets from before the 3 that you just played. If win keep playing until a loss and reset
if lose reset
I have read through this thread but could of missed an answer to this question.
@ vile
what bet do you play when there is no bet re the last three lines ??
Thank You
O0
buffalo, i'm not sure your explanation is right....
the way i understand it, after
1
3
6 trigger. ie 3 unique lines in 3dozens
5 L, so then we bet the furthest back, or the opposite to what we just bet, ie 2,4 and 5, so.......
2 W, so then we keep on with 2,4 and 5 till a loss. we would never bet 1,4 and 2, because 1 and 2 are in the same dozen.
this is how i understand it. of course, i could be wrong.
cheers.
Ah yes ewar thanks for correcting me. I forgot about the separate dozens throughout. Cheers for highlighting it
It only takes to track 3 different dozens in a row. ex: 123. Obviously that the Double streets will be unique...
Quote from: vile on Jun 13, 01:01 PM 2012
just in half time tested short session
yesterday wiesbaden 9+ I think
watching this session i noticed right on the beggining, why do not play first trigger?am i wrong?
it could have given a few extra units, no?
12 | 2 |
|
33 | 6 |
|
13 | 3 |
|
14 | 3 | w |
18 | 3 | w |
34 | 6 | w |
28 | 5 | l |
3 | 1 | w |
29 | 5 | w |
30 | 5 | w |
24 | 4 | w |
24 | 4 | w |
32 | 6 | l |
also i woul like to ask Vile opinion on how to proceed with overlaping triggers...
Cheers
Hi,
I think some are getting it wrong - but vile will confirm if I am correct in this matter...
You are waiting for FOUR unique lines and the last three lines must be one of the 8 possible combos (ie: one line from each of the three dozens)
Only then can you bet the 3 lines etc..
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 13, 10:44 PM 2012
Hi,
I think some are getting it wrong - but vile will confirm if I am correct in this matter...
You are waiting for FOUR unique lines and the last three lines must be one of the 8 possible combos (ie: one line from each of the three dozens)
Only then can you bet the 3 lines etc..
A.
There r 3 excel files attached so take a closer look. U bet 3 unique lines each from different dozens. Once they show up u start betting. Its clear. What is not clear is as AJ asked what happens if 4 example after loss on a bet when u switch to betting on opposing lines u get a trigger. So u have overlapping triggers. ;D
Atlantis --I was looking at that also earlier but things changed when we came to the 1 out of each dozen thing......now on the new whole deal system I think the last 3 work. As in: 8 combinations etc
one way or another this is an interesting thread --I will test for sure
4 |
|
5 |
|
From these example in excel file after we lose a second bet: 6 hit n we bet 2,4,5 i think
there r doubts f 2 switch 2 betting opposite lines: 1,3,6 or new 3 unique lines 2,4,6.
L when 4 hit shows that according 2 Vile after L on first 3 unique lines we should bet
opposite ones.
2 |
|
4 | w |
6 | l |
4 | l |
5
3
1
5W
3W
2L
4L
But as this example shows after loss we apparently start betting on a new trigger 2,3,5
and not switch 2 opposite ones
So im confused now. ;D
Regards
another easy 12u
1
6
4
2-3
5+0
3+3
1+0
3+3
1+6
1+9
1+12
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 13, 05:54 PM 2012
You get the set-up (3 double streets each in a diff dozen) : bet last 3 if win continue that bet until a loss then wait for a new target.
If lose bet the 3 double streets from before the 3 that you just played. If win keep playing until a loss and reset
if lose reset
As I understand you also bet the 3 other double streets in this case and only wait for a new trigger after you lose that.
Quoting d rules posted by Vile in an excel file in reply #153 "if u lose on d first bet start betting 3 furthest" after a loss u r supposed 2 start betting opposite lines. I assume that's also d case f we have a loss not in d first bet but after few wins betting on original 3 unique lines.
But f u look at examples in my earlier post n this one...
6
3
2
6W W on 2,3,6
4L L then what next?
6W W so it looks like we r betting 3 new unique 2,4,6 not 3 furthest ones 1,3,5
4W W we continue on 2,4,6
1L L then what next?
3W W so apparently we r betting 3 furthest 2,3,5 not 3 new unique ones 1,4,6
4L L so stop no trigger
So i guess Vile should clarify that but maybe its not relevant? ;D
The other rules seem pretty clear 2 me.
Hi RobeenHuut,
I think it is relevant. For testing purposes we should all be reading from the same songsheet; otherwise we could get differing results from the same set of numbers - and then which is the more valid testing?
vile has made it pretty clear - it just needs to be made crystal clear. This will also help programmers and bot-makers that might want to build a model or simulation too.
A.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 14, 02:36 AM 2012
Hi RobeenHuut,
I think it is relevant. For testing purposes we should all be reading from the same songsheet; otherwise we could get differing results from the same set of numbers - and then which is the more valid testing?
vile has made it pretty clear - it just needs to be made crystal clear. This will also help programmers and bot-makers that might want to build a model or simulation too.
A.
Hello Atlantis
Of course u r right. I was just trying 2 make a point. If u look in d excel file n u read rules there is just one thing unclear. What lines 2 bet after 1st loss?
My guess is that u always start betting then the 3 furthest hit including d last one if they qualify meaning they r in different dozens.
2
4
5
1L then u bet 2,3,6 as furthest 2 4,5,1 u include 1 as d last one that hit
2
4
5
3L You have 3,4,5 but 3 furthest would be 1,2,6 and 1,2 r from d same dozen
So i guess we go with first 3 furthest ones that qualify? so 1,3,6 ?
I went through results in posted excel files n they don't give a clear answer.
Regards
2
3
6
4-l...here you continue betting 1,4,5--3 furthest prior to 2,3,6
Overlaping lines....here even me sometimes/last night on 2 tables/get confused
1
5
3
2-l.....usually here 2,4,6.
but I continued 2,3,5......and it went 4,4,4,6,5,which cost me several units.
But anyhow did fine with 5+x3=15x20=300 euros and did this in about 40 spins.
Note,don't force this bet as soon you get the either side strike with resonable
plus its your vages.And its very hard to lose/much/if you play long continous play,which I
don't recomm.
It's pretty clear guys.If your first bet after trigger is lost you bet the other 3 lines till you lose again.When this happens you check at that point the 3 last lines and if they are a trigger you continue betting these 3 lines without stopping the betting sequence.Excel is pretty clear.Oh and vile is right,1 year and i am still in + with this.
OK. Thanks for clearing it up guys!
That is the way I thought it would be.
A.
Quote from: xxlakis on Jun 14, 04:16 AM 2012
1 year and i am still in + with this.
xxlakis,
I'm not picking on you in particular because I see this all the time, but it drives me crazy. What does "1 year" mean in terms of the number of bets in your case?
For it to be meaningful, one would have to know how many times you've visited the casino in the past year and how many bets you made on each of those visits. Someone could play for a year and make 200 bets, someone else might make 20,000 bets. Obviously, the latter would be much more significant in terms of the success of the system than the former.
[/rant]
Here is short session of yesterday wiesbaden,
with clear explanations of this bet,for these still
confused.
by the way--Just seen that have started betting without line 3
but the result would be probably same...let see
The score would be W=33,L=22
And here is yesterday Wiesbaden 450 spins session,
which you all should study carefully.
As you can see there was only one real strike in complete
session/which by the way.rarely happens,but it does/and after
that strike the game should have been finished,that's how
I always play.Therefore with continous play you would have
been losing 10 un.x3=30.....therefore you must treat this bet
thisway and play so.I did had similar sessions in my real play
but playing 2 tables it always balances well.
As you wish and been told.Good luck.
THIS BET IS RELAYING ON LAST OR FURTHER STRIKES.
If someone is still winner after 20000 spins,flat bet,(it means 20000 real bets,not waiting for a trigger!),please tell me and I'll ask Norway academy to give him the Nobel Prize for Maths.
Or ,if he prefers,I can organise some seminars(not free of charge,of course!) in the most important Universities in the world.He will be very rich in a few months,much more than playng this silly system.
I think that only a few members(Bayes,Mr.Ore and similar...) should write here.
From now on I won't spend my time to read this section of the forum,full of unbelievable stupid statements.
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 14, 06:16 AM 2012
If someone is still winner after 20000 spins,flat bet,(it means 20000 real bets,not waiting for a trigger!),please tell me and I'll ask Norway academy to give him the Nobel Prize for Maths.
Or ,if he prefers,I can organise some seminars(not free of charge,of course!) in the most important Universities in the world.He will be very rich in a few months
Unfortunately this is a trigger bet.Nothing of organising.
We are doing fine thk.no need to get rich.
Quote from: vile on Jun 14, 06:04 AM 2012
And here is yesterday Wiesbaden 450 spins session,
which you all should study carefully.
As you can see there was only one real strike in complete
session/which by the way.rarely happens,but it does/and after
that strike the game should have been finished,that's how
I always play.Therefore with continous play you would have
been losing 10 un.x3=30.....therefore you must treat this bet
thisway and play so.I did had similar sessions in my real play
but playing 2 tables it always balances well.
As you wish and been told.Good luck.
THIS BET IS RELAYING ON LAST OR FURTHER STRIKES.
Thanks for your winning spreadsheet examples vile showing the operation of this system.
By the way - does this system have a name?
A.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 13, 11:05 PM 2012
Atlantis --I was looking at that also earlier but things changed when we came to the 1 out of each dozen thing......now on the new whole deal system I think the last 3 work. As in: 8 combinations etc
one way or another this is an interesting thread --I will test for sure
and toMla also, so the system originally posted here is not the same system with the latest at all.
At first we were looking for ANY 4 unique lines, and now for 3 from different dozens.
That's entirely another thing. It seems that new topics here are posted as an opposite strategion from the supposed, like a puzzles, a major twist always occures.
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 14, 06:16 AM 2012
If someone is still winner after 20000 spins,flat bet,(it means 20000 real bets,not waiting for a trigger!),please tell me and I'll ask Norway academy to give him the Nobel Prize for Maths.
Or ,if he prefers,I can organise some seminars(not free of charge,of course!) in the most important Universities in the world.He will be very rich in a few months,much more than playng this silly system.
I think that only a few members(Bayes,Mr.Ore and similar...) should write here.
From now on I won't spend my time to read this section of the forum,full of unbelievable silly statements.
Nobody forces you to do so.These guys you mentioned are mathematichs not roulette players
probably you too.Did you ever visit any casino o put a chip on the table????
Many of such here that are selling roulette knowledge and never seen a game live.
Your mate self proclaimed MASTER OF POCKETS is one of those.
Quote from: cofi on Jun 14, 06:57 AM 2012
and toMla also, so the system originally posted here is not the same system with the latest at all.
At first we were looking for ANY 4 unique lines, and now for 3 from different dozens.
That's entirely another thing. It seems that new topics here are posted as an opposite strategion from the supposed, like a puzzles, a major twist always occures.
That was only introduction in STUDY,thats why its call so.
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 14, 06:55 AM 2012
Thanks for your winning spreadsheet examples vile showing the operation of this system.
By the way - does this system have a name?
A.
Rolling Lines seems like a good choice to me
Hi vile,
I noticed in one of your sheets that you waited for all 6 lines to appear first before tracking for the trigger...
I realised that I had not being doing this in my own test(s).
Is it really necessary to do this before starting each session? I mean is it a fixed or optional starting requirement?
A.
hahahha atlantis what are u asking ? what are u asking?
Listen to ur self.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 14, 07:56 AM 2012
hahahha atlantis what are u asking ? what are u asking?
Listen to your self.
-
MODERATORWhy warning me yesterday...can't you see what this //you know how would I call him/
doing.Vipy,Jordan,Master of pockets,roulette explorer.....ALL ONE PERSON,
And you wonder why serious ppl are going away from here.Would you have him home.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 14, 07:56 AM 2012
hahahha atlantis what are u asking ? what are u asking?
Listen to your self.
Master_of_pockets,
I am simply trying to elicit the proper playing details for purposes of clarity so that we get some consensus and uniformity on the correct mechanics and operation of this... If there are set rules to follow I want to know what they are. Similarly, if there is flexibility in certain areas I want to know about that too. I just want to get it absolutely clear in my mind and cover all possibilities so that if I play for real money I will not be searching for an answer or guessing what should or should not be done. I want to know that I played it to the 'T'. Win or Lose. It just seems there's maybe still a few points left to be addressed, that's all. That's why I called earlier for a full exposition of the rules to be posted. It is for everyone's benefit.
You're back with the negative vibes again; sneering and snickering are really not constructive or helpful and I do not know why you keep on with it. :(
A.
I also look into this option moons ago and it is based upon the following.
You note witch lines that has hit - are present - the you pick some of them to play.
Then you know that one is at sleep and will not show or will sleep more often then its show.
That way if you pick 3 out of 5 you have 2 lines against you or 18 numbers against 12 numbers.
I don't find it being uniq even if the main probability idea is pretty clever.
You can pick thousands of lines 123456 from random org and you will see for your self - i did in the past.
Cheers
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 14, 08:07 AM 2012
Master_of_pockets,
I am simply trying to elicit the proper playing details for purposes of clarity so that we get some consensus and uniformity on the correct mechanics and operation of this... If there are set rules to follow I want to know what they are. Similarly, if there is flexibility in certain areas I want to know about that too. I just want to get it absolutely clear in my mind and cover all possibilities so that if I play for real money I will not be searching for an answer or guessing what should be done. I want to know that I played it to the 'T'. Win or Lose. It just seems there's maybe still a few points left to be addressed, that's all. That's why I called earlier for a full exposition of the rules to be posted. It is for everyone's benefit.
You're back with the negative vibes again; sneering and snickering are really not constructive or helpful and I do not know why you keep on with it. :(
A.
But I do know and few others here.Mental ppl.you can't stop but can either lock'm up
or,in this case,throwe'm out.That's his every day food.The man is sick,and moderator sees this
and doing nothing about it.How can you ignore him when he knocks on your door insulting
and abusing.I can even give you his description;little man about 5 ft.in his wheelchair/o yes he
told me that/and that he loves doing this.WHAT NEXT.
Went through some of my old recorded spins. It tanked quickly and couldn't recover. I really don't know why this sistem should work anyway... No logical nor mathematical explanation, and the answer "because it works" I can't accept.
The most interesting comments in this Forum are from math people!
I don't mean:-roulette can be beaten,is a negative expectancy game,38(or 37) is higher than 36,you are losing your time and so on.
I think that math people can give us the best strategy to follow according with our goal.
Mr.Ore gave us some good examples in the past:
-starting from a bkr of X,what the best bet for earning Y(5%,10%,20%....100%)
the goal is to find attacks that are as close as possible to 50% probability.
A nice example was starting from 5 units,with a goal of 1 unit,what's the best?
Most of players would say: I play 5 lines(on European roulette with en prison rule 18,91% of losing)
NO:the best is 1 unit on even chance, if L 1 unit on a dozen,if L 3 units on EC(17,35% of losing)
What a difference!!!
I've been playing roulette for 40 years(yes,I'm old!).
I lost a lot of money playing like the system of this thread.
Since 10 years,I HAVE CHANGED completely my approach and now (100 visits per year in Montecarlo Casino) I stopped losing and I win low amounts of money per year,but I win.
Not enough for making my living
For that the sole solution is to work,not to gamble!!!!
Don't mislead young players with systems like that.
It's more honest to suggest "The communist nethod":playing red all the time!
Nice post beretta :)
So You play 1 u on EC, 1 u on D (or C) and 3 u on EC, total 5 u risk per game, that's Your way of placing bets, or just an example?
Regards
It's an example,that I play every now and then for "pocket money"
There are several and more complicated bets,based on the same principle.
Trust me(but I know that is difficult to trust me):there are no better ways for fighting against roulette.
With all the other systems is a matter of pure luck.
Even with my approach a little bit of luck is necessary,but much less than all other methods.
My way of playing,after a lot of studies and tests is:
10 units bkr,+ 1 is the goal(90,04% chance of success!)
If you have 10 units and you play FLAT BET with a goal of + 1 on EC,your chance of success is 88,75%
See the big difference........
Of course I'm not a gambler ,I'm a speculator.
Very often I play 3 spins and STOP at + 1,or others days I play one hour or 2 for achieving my goal or losing 10 units.
But yearly balance is +!
What do I do if I am at +1 after 10 minutes I entered a Casino?
In a very cinic way I look to other gamblers losing money with silly methods or I play Black Jack at the minimum of the table for a while
Of course my BKR(10 units,goal +1) is very high and FIRST RULE:you must live close to a casino(no expenses for oil,travel,restaurant,parking,etc)
Of course no comps,even with 100 visit a year....
Read what Byes , Ego and Me posted and you can see that this system has no merit.
Atlantis you don't need to know the exact rules...because even with them it can t win. They have been tested to death.
When you see a system try to think the WHY it can be a winner....and with those pattern systems you can immediately know that there is no reason
MOP you need to STOP If it cant win how has Vile made a bundle with it since last October, How did its Author live off of it? How did I make good profit with a similar method? You dont have the anwsers and worse still you have nothing better to offer,
Master_of_pockets,
It's won for me 25 times in a row and I always finished in + (playing hit-n-run)
I kept sessions short and as vile says, took the profit and wrapped it up :)
It's a nice system - easy to play. Yes there must be a reason why I'm winning.
A.
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 14, 09:26 AM 2012
It's an example,that I play every now and then for "pocket money"
There are several and more complicated bets,based on the same principle.
Trust me(but I know that is difficult to trust me):there are no better ways for fighting against roulette.
With all the other systems is a matter of pure luck.
Even with my approach a little bit of luck is necessary,but much less than all other methods.
My way of playing,after a lot of studies and tests is:
10 units bkr,+ 1 is the goal(90,04% chance of success!)
If you have 10 units and you play FLAT BET with a goal of + 1 on EC,your chance of success is 88,75%
See the big difference........
Of course I'm not a gambler ,I'm a speculator.
Very often I play 3 spins and STOP at + 1,or others days I play one hour or 2 for achieving my goal or losing 10 units.
But yearly balance is +!
What do I do if I am at +1 after 10 minutes I entered a Casino?
In a very cinic way I look to other gamblers losing money with silly methods or I play Black Jack at the minimum of the table for a while
Of course my BKR(10 units,goal +1) is very high and FIRST RULE:you must live close to a casino(no expenses for oil,travel,restaurant,parking,etc)
Of course no comps,even with 100 visit a year....
Yes +1 daily makes sense with very, very large BR. :D
But if You lose 5 u Beretta in a risk to win one, You have to win next 5 times in a row to brake even. :/
Cofi is OK what you say
Even with my method (10 BKR ,goal + 1) you need ten sessions for break even,if L
But the are some tricks that improve this situation
Think of it,is not complicated
MOP is definetely right!
But the gamblers,mainly the compulsive gamblers ,live in a special world and they dream all the time.
As I thought,no on trust me(see my posts above).
Once again:when you will have played 20000 spins flat bet and you will be in +,you can say that the system works....Not before
Before is an "optical illusion".....
I'm wondering if people here that consider this system a winning one know the standard deviaton,Markow chains,favourable unbalance.....
No it's impossible that in 2012 gamblers don't know that.
Please read Google on law on the third,Markow chain,standard deviation and if people are mentally honest and understand what they are reading,I'm sure that they change their mind!!!
a plausable reason why it wins is becouse of the cycle of winning and losing ciuld be its a better than a normal ec bet in that it could stay neck and neck or lose a bit first then your on the cycle for overtaking losses and end up in plus..then climb off ready for the next session...no maths just a better selection working for you :ooh:
Don' t dream....
The bet selection doesn't exist!
Playing Zero and neighbours I won 1500 â,¬ in 1997(80 visits/year in a Casino),but I knew that was a matter of chance.
The following year I lost,in 1999 I lost again and at 20000 spins my balance was ONLY minus 2,70% of all bets put on the table.
Just the Vig
I consider that I was lucky
Hi beretta,
Who Knows? In those years maybe if you'd had the chance of playing methods like CODE4 or MATRIX VERTICAL instead of gambling on the 0? Just saying... Those methods were not around then. It worked for JL. Could have been a different story!
Quote from: atlantis on Jun 14, 09:55 AM 2012
Master_of_pockets,
It's won for me 25 times in a row and I always finished in + (playing hit-n-run)
I kept sessions short and as vile says, took the profit and wrapped it up :)
It's a nice system - easy to play. Yes there must be a reason why I'm winning.
A.
AND FOR ME 7 MONTHS ON DAILY BASIS.YOU GUYS THAT UNDERESTIMATE
AND ALL YOU CAN SAY CAN'T WORK SHOULD READ CLOSELY THE RULES OF THIS METHOD,TEST IT
THATWAY THEN OPEN YOUR MOUTH.THISWAY YOU ONLY SHOW US WHERE YOU COME FROM.
YOU BE BETTER OF CARRING FOR YOUR OWN BUSS.AND LET PPL.IN PEACE.I BET THAT MODERATOR
CAN CHECK UP MP.BETWEEN SOME OF YOU AND SEE THINGS FROM PROPER GLASSES.
I accept your comment and I'm sure you are telling the truth.
How many spins have you played up to know(without counting the spins you observe waiting for a trigger)?
I'm am an engineer and without a simple (or complicated) techincal or scientific explanation about WHY it works,I can't believe that it's a long term winning system
If your answer is :"I don't know why but it works",thank you very much and see you later....
@ Vile why do you care so much what other think about it and why do you have to prove every one wrong - you save time and strenght being more happy in a good mood doing what you doing with out discussing it with others.
Take it easy and enjoy the game.
Cheers
Check up all yesterdays Wiessbaden sessions and they are
all winnings one.But the way the method is explained .
Quote from: ego on Jun 14, 10:42 AM 2012
@ Vile why do you care so much what other think about it and why do you have to prove every one wrong - you save time and strenght being more happy in a good mood doing what you doing with out discussing it with others.
Take it easy and enjoy the game.
Cheers
Quite correct,but I try to be polite when somebody ask me a question....thats all.
Quote from: vile on Jun 14, 10:43 AM 2012
Check up all yesterdays Wiessbaden sessions and they are
all winnings one.But the way the method is explained .
Good. I'll try a few test games from those results too.
See ya later,
A.
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 14, 10:40 AM 2012
I accept your comment and I'm sure you are telling the truth.
How many spins have you played up to know(without counting the spins you observe waiting for a trigger)?
I'm am an engineer and without a simple (or complicated) techincal or scientific explanation about WHY it works,I can't believe that it's a long term winning system
If your answer is :"I don't know why but it works",thank you very much and see you later....
Iknow why it works,but if you are a roulette real player,and closely study/thats name of the method/it then you might realise same.Or better do same testing and ask yourself why this work.
[quote author=beretta28 link=topic=9638.msg81946#msg81946 date=1339678625
I've been playing roulette for 40 years(yes,I'm old!).
I lost a lot of money playing like the system of this thread.
Since 10 years,I HAVE CHANGED completely my approach and now (100 visits per year in Montecarlo Casino)
[/quote]
Playing to win 1 un.in Monte Carlo???........What a statement.
I unswered all your questions now you answer mine,in 3 minutes.
--What color iz zero in Monte carlo En prison tables.
--How many En prison tables there.
--In how many rooms roulette is played there.
--What other games except roulette there.
--Whic casino is next door to MC casino.
Quote from: vile on Jun 14, 10:48 AM 2012
Iknow why it works,but if you are a roulette real player,and closely study/that's name of the method/it then you might realise same.Or better do same testing and ask yourself why this work.
no one has answered why this works.
Quote from: warrior on Jun 14, 10:59 AM 2012
no one has answered why this works.
Warrior,
Words mean nothing but acts.Did you ask yourself that question.
For instance if you compare this bet with B/R and play it with
same rules...would the score be same?????There is probably
your unswer.
The next two questions can this method take a REAL MONEY RNG, If the anwser is yes, Then there are no more excuses, And can it survive the million spin bot? Ive said it a million times roulettes beatable, But this seems to simple to be that great, SIMPLICITY is the anwser always, So now some people are worried EINSTEIN made a mistake,
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 14, 11:13 AM 2012
The next two questions can this method take a REAL MONEY RNG, If the anwser is yes, Then there are no more excuses, And can it survive the million spin bot? I've said it a million times roulettes beatable, But this seems to simple to be that great, SIMPLICITY is the anwser always, So now some people are worried EINSTEIN made a mistake,
JL,
here we/I/am talking about roulette live tables....nothing else.
Thats why 90%of ppl.here are desparate to get a method to win,
but its useless with online casinos.They cheat and empty your pockets.
I live in Montecarlo.
Close to Montecarlo there are a lot of Casino:Cafe de Paris or Sporting in Montecarlo,Sanremo(Italy)Menton(open since 9 p.m) and going to Cannes direction there are a lot(Nice,Cannes,Beaulieu,etc)
There are a lot of tables entering the first room(not prive).At the beginning only 2 tables working(one on the right one on the left)then a third is open later, close to the table on the left
The prive room is straight on and usually in the afternoon two tables work and sometimes a table of PUNTO BANCO is also working
In the first room apart from french roulette and fair roulette(the first minimum 5 â,¬,the second minimun 10 â,¬) there is Punto Banco,Trente et quarante on the right and starting 5 p.m one or two tables of BJack(between first room and prive)
Good question on color of ZERO.
In my opinion is one of the weakness of Montecarlo roulette and I spoke a lot with management about it.
They have known me for 15 or 20 years.
The Zero is not green and is a violet or similar.
They told me they don't want change because the roulette are very old andit is a peculiarity of Montecarlo.
Another peculiariy is that the ball is ivory and not Teflon or other,
By the way,do you live there?
We can meet next week...
I have to disagree there Vile are you telling me this cant win online? They dont cheat me even pattern breaker can take any online casino, Especially Hit n Run by the time they realize ive won im gone, And they cant cheat everybody even if they did, Me with 5 units on dozen ! and you with 100 units on dozen 3, as an example, Who would they cheat against?
Vile,
ho visto che abiti in Slovenia.
Parli italiano per caso?
Ogni tanto io sono a Venezia.
Tu giochi solo al Perla?
Quote from: vile on Jun 14, 11:17 AM 2012
JL,
here we/I/am talking about roulette live tables....nothing else.
that's why 90%of people.here are desparate to get a method to win,
but its useless with online casinos.They cheat and empty your pockets.
So u only recommend it 2 play in B&M casino? U recommend it only as sort of Hit n Run approach?
Like 2 or 3 games won n u pocket yr profit. ?
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 14, 11:30 AM 2012
Vile,
ho visto che abiti in Slovenia.
Parli italiano per caso?
Ogni tanto io sono a Venezia.
Tu giochi solo al Perla?
sono stato a monte carlo bellisimo. :thumbsup:
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 14, 11:30 AM 2012
Vile,
ho visto che abiti in Slovenia.
Parli italiano per caso?
Ogni tanto io sono a Venezia.
Tu giochi solo al Perla?
-Si parlo italiano.
--Why I ask you this couse few months back I met Italian gentlemen in foyer of Monte Carlo
casino caffe bar,and since this gent had a spreadsheet in front of him/was interested to me/
so we stared talking and finally touched this forum.The gent was about 65,tall and rather tin,
grey hair,and his aim was to win just few bucks....but he had a membership card/10 euros to get
inside/.....so I though that it might be you I was talking too.Who knows.
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 14, 11:23 AM 2012
I live in Montecarlo.
Close to Montecarlo there are a lot of Casino:Cafe de Paris or Sporting in Montecarlo,Sanremo(Italy)Menton(open since 9 p.m) and going to Cannes direction there are a lot(Nice,Cannes,Beaulieu,etc)
There are a lot of tables entering the first room(not prive).At the beginning only 2 tables working(one on the right one on the left)then a third is open later, close to the table on the left
The prive room is straight on and usually in the afternoon two tables work and sometimes a table of PUNTO BANCO is also working
In the first room apart from french roulette and fair roulette(the first minimum 5 â,¬,the second minimun 10 â,¬) there is Punto Banco,Trente et quarante on the right and starting 5 p.m one or two tables of BJack(between first room and prive)
Good question on color of ZERO.
In my opinion is one of the weakness of Montecarlo roulette and I spoke a lot with management about it.
They have known me for 15 or 20 years.
The Zero is not green and is a violet or similar.
They told me they don't want change because the roulette are very old andit is a peculiarity of Montecarlo.
Another peculiariy is that the ball is ivory and not Teflon or other,
By the way,do you live there?
We can meet next week...
--I unswered question to Warrior that should be addressed to you.
--I think we met......Am at least once a month there.
--zero is brown
To the neysayers if you were to find a bet that consistantly loses then you have found the awnswer. Hmmmm lnteresting.
GJ
NO it's not me!
I'm 60 years old,grey hairs,tall,not thin(unluckily for me!)
For my way of gambling a spreadsheet is not necessary or,better,after several years it's not necessary anymore.
I've no special comps,apart from self service restaurant on the left,entering, and I don't pay entrance to the casino either.
I must confess that what I've have won in the last ten years(low amount of money) doesn't' offset what I have lose in the previous 30 years.
That's why I'm tolerate in Montecarlo and why I'm sceptic about your system.
Something similar has been invented by Van Boeckstaele(see Google!),famous belgian scientist and math that wrote a lot about roulette.
When he died,1960 or something, he was convinced that playing three lines(18 numbers) instead of an EC,as his method(and your method) says ,was the death of roulette.
A few yeras later with the use of modern computers his theory was completely given up,car it was a disaster on long term.
Quote from: deepred on Jun 14, 11:58 AM 2012
To the neysayers if you were to find a bet that consistantly loses then you have found the awnswer. Hmmmm lnteresting.
GJ
And what bet is that? ceh
Not Charles !!!!!!
The name is Grant and I am from Canada. If this bet is a loser like all you are arguing about then maybe the opposite wins. Simple math thats all. GJ
Quote from: deepred on Jun 14, 12:37 PM 2012
Not Charles Scammer !!!!!!
The name is Grant and I am from Canada. If this bet is a loser like all you are arguing about then maybe the opposite wins. Simple math that's all. GJ
--WHICH OPPOSITE???????
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 14, 12:38 PM 2012
""""MOP is definetely right!
But the gamblers,mainly the compulsive gamblers ,live in a special world and they dream all the time.
As I thought,no on trust me(see my posts above).
Once again:when you will have played 20000 spins flat bet and you will be in +,you can say that the system works....Not before
Before is an "optical illusion".....
I'm wondering if people here that consider this system a winning one know the standard deviaton,Markow chains,favourable unbalance.....
No it's impossible that in 2012 gamblers don't know that.
Please read Google on law on the third,Markow chain,standard deviation and if people are mentally honest and understand what they are reading,I'm sure that they change their mind!!!"""
AMEN!!
Its nice to have you around beretta 28.Members with Proper education in roulette are always welcomed.
Vile playing 7 months or 2 years doesn't prove anything....
I have engineered flat bets in the past that passed 2.000 betting spins and then crashed badly !
Do You know how many playing spins in a real casino are 2.000 spins.....?
I could be winning for years and then give all my money away plus my BR....and even worst I could lose everything in my 1st visit....
--You are like parrot Vipy,Jordan,mop,master of roulette....did learn some other song
always same.....LOOK AT YESTERDAY ALL WIESBADEN SESSIONS you parrot babuska.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 14, 12:49 PM 2012
I told you to go to church because You have too much evil in you .... did u?
Also you are trying to defend a system that hasn t been tested properly and also has no reason to win....
why are u doing this to your self?
--You woke up at 4am/aus/to tell me this.....LoL....man aren't you aware
of your illness.If so I forgive you.
As you see I don't delete your posts any longer,wish that everybody see whom we are dealing here with.
Vile, I am currently in the midst of testing your system . My post is towards all the peaple who say it losses. Being a even money bet if it tanks by more than the house edge then betting the opposite (3 furthest back lines) would be a winner. Simple math.
GJ
Quote from: deepred on Jun 14, 01:55 PM 2012
Vile, I am currently in the midst of testing your system . My post is towards all the peaple who say it losses. Being a even money bet if it tanks by more than the house edge then betting the opposite (3 furthest back lines) would be a winner. Simple math.
GJ
--As long as I know that it wins.PPl.you talking about are here only couse have nothing better to do
and most of them never seen a casino in their lives....MOP...am talking about.
Tonight I will again GO to my banc/casino/to draw some money...LOL
deepred
Just a thought.............
From my studies I have found that any group you identify, i.e., the oldest three lines, you will find that they win/lose ratio will switch and reverse itself. That is to say, you will win on the oldest three for a while and it will turn and the newest three will win. This is the ebb and flow of numbers and it will happen no matter what your target is.
Not much I know for certain in this life and in roulette, but this is one thing you can bank on.
Now the trick is to determine when the wheel is going to switch and jump in the right direction. This is what the "Hit and Run Gang" knows for sure, but they think they can always hit when the oldest are winning and never when the oldest are losing. Frankly, if they could they'd be in the casinos worrying about being thrown out rather than be on this forum bloviating.
Dang! Did I bloviate a bit there?? :-[
LoL
TwoCats
Sam,
Glad you said all of that cause here in this method you don't have to know
when is anything going for a strike....you are ALWAYS ON THE STRIKE,whenever
it happens on last 3 or further 3.---Its obvious you been to casino last night.
Ville
I am studying your method hard. Just very busy at the time with some home repairs.
Yes, went to casino yesterday and going again today.
I am nearly 100% certain the Roulette Evolution machine is fair. These things are spreading throughout the Indian casinos like wild fire.
Samster
All live machines are fair,some predeterm.but will never go against the number you are on...
for instance here in EU most airball machines are with predeter.numbers....ball with magnet,
magnetic pockets/thats why when it drops in the pocket it doesn't touch any walls but is stick
in the middle of the pocket,even thought bottom of pocket is askew/and they are real random.
Ville
This is an RNG with a screen that simulates a roulette wheel. No human or physical intervention. Just RNG.
They say the guts of the thing are under lock and key and regulated by the state. They say they can't even get in to reprogram it.
Don't know, but when I play right and my wife plays right, we win.
Maybe the darn thing likes us!!!
Sam
I think must be this last...good luck tonight.
I would like to apologize for my posts and comments about the system suggested by Vile in this thread.
I hope that all members that trust on it,could earn a lot of money at the Casinos.
The problem of all Roulette Forums is the big difference of education among the members.
There is a Ph.D,an engineer,a carpenter,a math professor,a waiter,a physician,a milkman a scientist and so on...
Even if roulette can represent a common topic,in spite of the big difference of education among the members,almost all the time it's not the case.
When the discussion deals with some technical,statistic or simply logical problems,the dialogue is impossible.
I suggest that the moderator could create a section where each member could introduce himself and announce his education.
This solution will save a lot of useless tough discussions that have nothing to do with our common goal:try to beat roulette!
I can discuss with Tiger Woods about golf,best places where to play and the color of the grass that I prefer,but if Tiger starts discussing about the clubs and the balls,the material used for manufacturing them,the best weight,the most famous manufacturers,the speed of a given spin,I give up.
I'm not so presontous to argue with him about these topics.
The same happens here about roulette....
Very nice and usefull post pistol.
I think we'l meet soon.As I only
play En prison there.There is a
nice restoran up the Wille.
The trouble is beretta,
the waiter with no education could be more concise, more engaging and logical than the guy who partied his way through 3 years of economics courses or the arrogant snob who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Not meaning to generalise or anything but it's a bit simplistic to suggest that education = intellect.
I got a 2:2 at university in media. Do I pass?
Let me throw the first stone---at me! I've said some things that told off on me. Told that I was wrong and on the wrong track.
By the same token.......
When you read a person's posts, don't you get a bit of an idea whether or not he's got the right stuff?
As for me, I have no formal education and am poor at math. My strong points are logic, reason and building contraptions. I hold one U.S. Patent; it was obsolete the day it was issued!
Sam
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 14, 02:55 PM 2012
I agree beretta but i don't agree with this
"I suggest that the moderator could create a section where each member could introduce himself and announce his education.""
because everyone will say that is an expert in roulette ... even Vile .. LoL
Vile when you were playing red and black Martingale I was playing high level VB back in the 80s ehere they were a lot of oprtunities.....so yes I have beed in casinos a lot of casinos around europe a lot of times.
ok master...what are rules of play on En prison table.You wouldn't have a clue.If you answer this in 2 min.I might change my oppinion about you and maybe addmit that you are really pro....LoL...hurry up am soon living for casino.ten min. have expired,while you are looking for rules on wikpedia now I must
go.My oppinion about you still same...you never entered any casino in your life.Consolation for you should be that you are not alone on this forum..there are few more here like you.
bye for now.
Buffalowizard,
I agree 100% with you.
In my life I met some people with no education at all(it was not their fault,of course) but they were clever and they have a natural very developped intellect.
This has nothing to do with education or lack of culture.
My post meant that for discussing of roulette people must know pefectly maths and statistics behind it.
This is fundamental
Then ,OK for suggesting methods and systems that can overcome partially or almost totally the disadvantage of the gambler.
The basic knowledge of math and statistic on which roulette is based,avoid to the people to suggest ridicolous way of playing.
Most systems that I find in this Forum(honestly speaking,not the totality) are similar to play a line if it rains,a split if it's cloudy, the first dozen if there is a nice weather.
Exactly the same!
WORLD'S BEST FREUDIAN SLIP:
living for casino.
I meet a woman in Nice/Ruhle/that flips the coin due to spin,
topping R/B En prison table,and according to her and other ppl.there
she is winning there for years.They,stuff,call her Padrona
Vile
I believe you.
I met a lot of people with very strange "bet selection".
Here ago in Deauville (France) I met a guy,playing only Black and Red with en prison rule,that had a small box colored Red at the right side and Black at the left side.
Inside the box there was a spider that walked from right to left and viceversa.
He played Red or Black according to the position of the spider.
If it was in the middle,no bet.
People around the table thought he had a winning system(because he was winning at that moment) and no bet(spider was half on red and half on black) was a high strategic decision.
Sure he is waiting for a trigger,people said
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 14, 06:27 PM 2012
Vile thinks that playing for real in a casino or testing in RX real roulette numbers has a difference in the outcome.
the only difference is that by testing you are saving money.
I also don't have doubts that he is winning so far... luck is a tricky thing in roulette.
I will stop insulting him and i will let him face reality when his luck is over...
The rest of the members will also face reality when their testing at home is over...withe the expected negative expectation.
Here as beretta said is just a system with a random bet selection because the selection has no meaning and therefore no advantage over the house edge.
I really hope that the next system that will be posted and the members will show interest ,will be a system that will have a reason of why it could be a winner.
this one is based on the "weather changes" as beretta already posted.
Thanks
MOP you have no meaning. There is no such thing as bet selection. A good method does the opposite. It identifies something random isnt very good at and exploits it. FOOLS believe in bet selection. Oh look my fave number is 7.That's how I am going to beat this game. For someone who claims to have been involved in this game forever. You have no idea which direction you should be going in.
And there is no such thing as luck, you either have a winning method or you dont. When someone comes on this forum and says gee. I had this method that won for two years. And then all of a sudden I could win to save my life. They had NOTHING to start with. Any method I use will win the same 20 years from now as it does today. A good method holds NO SURPRISES. Its strikerate may waver a little. But over it will always be one step backwards three steps forward.
All these people with the it won for two years then stopped nonsense. NEVER actually reveal the methods in question. Now theres a thing.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 14, 06:44 PM 2012
did i ever post that i believe that there are bet selections??? :o
"""It identifies something random isnt very good at and exploits it"""
LoL...keep dreaming ....
how did u spend the money that u stole from people with your magic bet as c..e..h?
I try to warn them but most of them didn t listen...i saved some thought
I think you need to take your meds. You obviously have me mixed up with someone else. We will see whose dreaming once Bayes gets the RNG done. I will call you out in person when you have no more excuses. And if you have a shread of decency in you. You will appologize not just to me. But many on this forum.
I have a copy of Zumma 0/00 with street numbers incorporated.. I finger tested it today for a thousand spins and it seems to have a high hit rate. Keep in mind I didn't write down the results etc. When I get a chance I will record it.
I think it may have something to do with waiting for the 3 dozens to hit as they should, then the usual nature of the game comes into play ......(or something like that-lol)
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 14, 06:44 PM 2012
how did u spend the money that u stole from people with your magic bet as c..e..h?
I try to warn them but most of them didn t listen...i saved some thought
Good work, Master. Had the same experiences which Ellis Davis (, and "head monkey" ADulay,) over at BeattheCasino with their baccarat-scams.
You had a good point about winning by "flat betting" but generally not on the first bet of a session (being a contradiction.) Thanks.
What tends to happen though, is that most of the "suckers" just drop out of sight after a few months. I've had several send thanks for helping them save 100's of dollars, but not a single one come back to tell me how wrong I was.
well in roulette I think the nature is for sleepers etc to appear and ruin our dreams , when everything is normal as in 3 dozens appearing 123 I suspect it could be time for a change. All I know for sure is that when I tested the original version it did well and the complete version looks good at a quick glance....Me thinks its time to test it some more -----
hey the original was tested 200,000 spins and did well on a 1-2 bet----
hope thats ok?
did 500 spins ,, end result was 93 wins and 76 losses on 0/00
Hello
I played it 4 real money yesterday on SML air ball n ended down 30 euros in about 3 hours of play playing 1 euro base bet so basically 10L down. Won first game n afterwards it was mostly steady downtrend like WLLWWLLL... Never had a real winning streak. This is 2 play with a bigger base bet so after 1 or 2 won games u pocket yr profit n leave. This was Vile suggestion n i totally agree. In his game results he usually catches a winning trend early in a session. In last results he posted there was 82L and 92W breakdown. I guess something like that happened 2 me but i never had a chance 2 have some winning streak n be ahead. I would not consider it a failure like some suggested but i guess its not 4 everybody. Actually i like more d original idea with rolling lines n maybe betting 2 games n stopping 2 wait 4 a new trigger. AJ came up with it n he did some tests.
Thanks 4 posting it.
Regards
Bet selection doesn't exist.
Play random against random is also a dream
The best bet selection I know is the box with the spider(see above)
In this Forum there is a section called "Bet selection".
Whene I want to laugh,I read it
The only roulette players I know that have won something even for long period(but in the very very long period they lose 1,35% or 2,70%) are players using some clever money management,with a bit of luck!
MOP,
You really went too far....don't post on my thread,and don't call my name
any longer as I will intervent to ban you/already did once last year/--
Open your own thread and preach to ppl.about roulette without busting
other ppl.threads purposely.Now am deleting your posts and one more
post in my thread you gone.
Vile.....best way I think. Ignore by deleting or you may end up looking like you give a s*it
You should be the moderator of your post.
Turner
MOP, I may understand you point , but it seems to me that you want to tell us to not play roulette or something, but this forum is for ROULETTE, people want to experience things , some play just for fun some for living.. if we dnt play then this forum will not exist and should be closed!
lets just have fun and test peoples ideas and systems, people who play roulette they already know the risks.
cheers
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 15, 01:42 AM 2012
Bet selection doesn't exist.
Play random against random is also a dream
The best bet selection I know is the box with the spider(see above)
In this Forum there is a section called "Bet selection".
Whene I want to laugh,I read it
The only roulette players I know that have won something even for long period(but in the very very long period they lose 1,35% or 2,70%) are players using some clever money management,with a bit of luck!
Ad infinitum all bet selections will loose for house edge, that we know. But we play lifesized sessions and try to stay inside the bell curve.
Cheers
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 15, 08:53 AM 2012
Ad infinitum all bet selections will lose for house edge, that we know. But we play lifesized sessions and try to stay inside the bell curve.
Cheers
whats the bell curve?
Quote from: warrior on Jun 15, 09:42 AM 2012
what's the bell curve?
(link:://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Standard_deviation_diagram.svg/325px-Standard_deviation_diagram.svg.png)
this might help:
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution)
Quote from: justanothergambler on Jun 15, 10:04 AM 2012
(link:://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Standard_deviation_diagram.svg/325px-Standard_deviation_diagram.svg.png)
this might help:
link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution (link:://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution)
:thumbsup: yes i remember this now.
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 15, 08:53 AM 2012
But we play lifesized sessions and try to stay inside the bell curve.
The less the possible risk, the less the possible profit.
Quote from: justanothergambler on Jun 15, 07:44 AM 2012
... but this forum is for ROULETTE, people want to experience things , some play just for fun some for living.
If you want to fill it with lies, and false hopes... then maybe you're the one who "works for the casinos".
Besides, "you can't there from here", directly. Perhaps, to become a successful gambler, you must focus primarily on many other things. Not everyone is so-overtly obsessed with digging the same one hole.
Hello Vile!
What was your longest L line?
Thanks.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jun 15, 03:05 PM 2012
Hello Vile!
What was your longest L line?
Thanks.
Last night 8...but won again any how........as mentioned earlier it relays on streaks either way.
Today well known member PM me with new tweak for this method and am testing it.
So far good.If it shows better will post.
i find this method in general to be pretty interesting. Im sure Viles way is the best but it also gets one to wondering if it was tweaked this way or that way....A little hard to hand test but thats life
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 15, 03:48 PM 2012
i find this method in general to be pretty interesting. I'm sure Viles way is the best but it also gets one to wondering if it was tweaked this way or that way....A little hard to hand test but that's life
This system works like clockwork. People still cant hold onto anything for any length of time. But just like the methods I play this will win for as long as the world exists.
Ah John L I didn't know that you play it also? I guess just some more positive feedback which is good--I'm not a big matrix fan but I did try reverse Divide and Conquer and liked it (won a few sessions lol)
PPL.Here wish to see something that wins continously
for hillion spins....for my way of thinking and from every day
practice/playing/its enough to win 5 un.every day.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 15, 03:59 PM 2012
Ah John L I didn't know that you play it also? I guess just some more positive feedback which is good--I'm not a big matrix fan but I did try reverse Divide and Conquer and liked it (won a few sessions LoL)
Ill let you into something the best matrix method on this forum is Warriors HYBRID DC4 he has taken AMKs CODE 4 and Scobbies Divide and Conquer and delivered a definate roulette killer longterm. After that my PATTERN BREAKER is the next best thing. Simply because it has the smallest buy in and the most stable outcome. This method which I call 3 AGAINST THE LINE. Is the next best thing on here. So thats my personal top three ON THE FORUM.
But the best method I have seen no one has either on this forum. Its called DOUBLE MATCH. And its going to take Bayes RNG to pieces. Then when people see that it can be done. This forum will wake up properly for the first time in its history. Im putting myself on the line to get things going and stop all the bickering and doubting. Its the only way it can be done. The results will speak for themselves.
Quote
But the best method I have seen no one has either on this forum. Its called DOUBLE MATCH
Sounds interesting.
But where in the forum I can find : DOUBLE MATCH ??
Best regards
kawa4711
I'm putting myself on the line
LOL
Kawa
DOUBLE MATCH is in the jaws of the Loch Ness Monster. Oh, darn!! Bigfoot grabbed it and is running through the woods!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 15, 04:28 PM 2012
Kawa
DOUBLE MATCH is in the jaws of the Loch Ness Monster. Oh, darn!! Bigfoot grabbed it and is running through the woods!!
Sam
Ha, Has Sam made a funny. How about that bet Sam. Love the way youve avoided that. Now you know how it feels to be put on the spot. Youre so sure I wont take Bayes challenge until your money and reputation are on the line. Then you dont dare mention it again. I like it.
About the bet........
The answer is an emphatic no! Got it? Only a fool would bet 1,000 somethings that a person would not play a game. I am not on the "spot".
Do I think you'll take the challenge? No! Do I think you'd take it for 1,000 somethings? Yes, I do. Can you see the difference?
John, it's been a pleasure. I really like you, after it's all said and done. You and I are just two peas form two different pea patches in two different countries.
On my Mother's grave, I can't tell you how much I'd like to test any system--yours or anyone's--and find it works. I've got two grandkids who need help with college.
Yes, they'll get it!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 15, 04:59 PM 2012
About the bet........
The answer is an emphatic no! Got it? Only a fool would bet 1,000 somethings that a person would not play a game. I am not on the "spot".
Do I think you'll take the challenge? No! Do I think you'd take it for 1,000 somethings? Yes, I do. Can you see the difference?
John, it's been a pleasure. I really like you, after it's all said and done. You and I are just two peas form two different pea patches in two different countries.
On my Mother's grave, I can't tell you how much I'd like to test any system--yours or anyone's--and find it works. I've got two grandkids who need help with college.
Yes, they'll get it!
Sam
Sam I would be more than willing to help you get your grand kids through college. More than willing you are reading me wrong. Very wrong. I have to do this my way please try and understand that. First step is to take an RNG down created by the maths supremo Bayes. That gets my foot in the door of credibility on this and any forum. Next step we will do what you want to do. Because I believe by the time we get to that step. You will really start believing I'm not all hot air. And I haven't said no to anything understand that. Its just got to be done in my timeframe that's all.
Keep reading all this great stuff, but no one has played the numbers I've provided (see Reply #115) broken down by lines. Again, I've purposely not provided my results because it tanked terribly. Maybe I'm wrong. Would love to see someone with success using this play the 500+ spins provided.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 16, 12:29 PM 2012
Keep reading all this great stuff, but no one has played the numbers I've provided (see Reply #115) broken down by lines. Again, I've purposely not provided my results because it tanked terribly. Maybe I'm wrong. Would love to see someone with success using this play the 500+ spins provided.
Attach those numbers in excel/as when you open your numbers can't see nothing,but if you wish
wiill attach longest session of Wiesbaden from yesterday,but would prefer yours.Will show original
and tweaked version/which won last 34 Wiesbaden sessions aiming 5 units/
Here one of the winning sessions.
--Took 45 spins to win required 5 un, with tw.version.
--------146 spins.........................................original version
forgot excel
Quote from: vile on Jun 16, 01:01 PM 2012
forgot excel
hi, can you give a link to tweaked version? I missed it.
Attached
hi vile just looked through excel....i think 1 early mistake you logged as a loss when it should have been a win..this is same principle as yours but on a rolling basis but using last 3 streets regardless of seperate dozens...but still using your betting technique on a win stay on track on a loss swap to oppisite ...hows it faring compared to the original????
Quote from: vile on Jun 16, 12:41 PM 2012
Attach those numbers in excel/as when you open your numbers can't see nothing,but if you wish
wiill attach longest session of Wiesbaden from yesterday,but would prefer yours.Will show original
and tweaked version/which won last 34 Wiesbaden sessions aiming 5 units/
Here you go. Please play all 500 spins, as it appears to go well for the first 100 spins ...... then tanks.
Thanks.
Gator, haven't seen u for a while, welcome back
Quote from: iggiv on Jun 16, 11:13 PM 2012
Gator, haven't seen u for a while, welcome back
Many thanks, my friend. I've been a fly on the wall. This one tweaked my interest.
??
Hello Vile!
Did you try to wait 5 unique lines and bet on the last 3?
Thanks.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jun 18, 10:52 AM 2012
Hello Vile!
Did you try to wait 5 unique lines and bet on the last 3?
Thanks.
Have all combos-The last in cycle attacs wprks only-
How do you recover balance when you were 49 units down?
This is a great method and already people are losing/have lost interest in it. STAYING POWER is sadly lacking amongst too many players in this game.
last few days to many systems that are plausibly good hard to focus
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 18, 02:40 PM 2012
This is a great method and already people are losing/have lost interest in it. STAYING POWER is sadly lacking amongst too many players in this game.
Well said JL
I see what you mean Tom.
Just wanted to give a thank you to all for the great methods of last and for everyone's great efforts.
As JL says staying power is what is needed. Formulate a strategy and play. Using low stakes won't be too much of a loss incase you are one of the +-10% that can't get into the right cycle.
Looking at PATTERN BREAKER I like playing BIG after a virtual loss...........
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 18, 02:40 PM 2012
This is a great method and already people are losing/have lost interest in it. STAYING POWER is sadly lacking amongst too many players in this game.
I'd like to be able to say the same thing. But, I'm still waiting for someone to play the sequence of 500 spins I've posted twice. Most recent is Reply #306. Please play all 500 spins, not just the first 100 or so.
This can show everyone not only how it's played, but more importantly, how effective it is.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 18, 05:18 PM 2012
I'd like to be able to say the same thing. But, I'm still waiting for someone to play the sequence of 500 spins I've posted twice. Most recent is Reply #306. Please play all 500 spins, not just the first 100 or so.
This can show everyone not only how it's played, but more importantly, how effective it is.
How on earth has this excellent method slipped off the top ten already. I have now played 150 games and not lost my progression yet. It really begs the question. What do people on these forums want?. If you cant see a winner when its gift wrapped and delivered to you. I dont know what hope there is.
Perhaps they've played the spins I've provided. This is the 3rd time I'm asking those who may be playing this accurately to play the spins I've provided and show the results (all 500+ spins, please).
I'd love to say the same as you Mr. Legend.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 22, 06:17 PM 2012
How on earth has this excellent method slipped off the top ten already. I have now played 150 games and not lost my progression yet. It really begs the question. What do people on these forums want?. If you can't see a winner when its gift wrapped and delivered to you. I don't know what hope there is.
What was yr largest draw down? And do u play with stop-loss? Seriously You can not always expect 2 recover from 300+ units down. Vile won 40 games already so he can afford 2 lose 300u because he made 1200u already n yr strike rate always amazes me. 150/0. How did u manage 2 play so many games in such a short period of time? ;D
I like this method 2.
Wally direct me too your 500 spins please, Hutt Ive played over a 100 games on an RNG and about 40 online, Im playing 4 game sessions no more using the same 45 unit 4 step progression I use on PHASE 3, Theres been no drawdowns whatsoever, I measure a methods value by strikerate, NOTHING ELSE, The progression has been taken to the wire 8 times over those 150 games, But has survived, This method is in harmony with random thats why it works, A pity more people dont have the staying power,
link:://rouletteforum.cc/9638.0/a9338/vile.xlsx (link:://rouletteforum.cc/9638.0/a9338/vile.xlsx)
Post 306 if this link doesn't work.
OK, let me play the Village Idiot.......
Somewhere along the way I got lost. We have the first version and the "tweaked" version. I've looked at the sheets and I don't get it.
Perhaps the reason people lose interest in these threads is that they cannot find the latest set of rules. I've just scanned through 23 pages and I still don't know how to play.
OK, that's my rant.......
Goodnight.....
Sam
I'm not sure I'm playing it 100% correct but its winning, What I do is simply track until I have 4 unique lines I,E 2 5 6 4, I then play for match on one of the last 3 of those 4 unique lines, And so far its never more than 4 attempts to hit one, After a win I retrack until I have another 4 unique liner, I do this for 4 games a session then shut it down,
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 23, 01:45 AM 2012
OK, let me play the Village unintelligent.......
Somewhere along the way I got lost. We have the first version and the "tweaked" version. I've looked at the sheets and I don't get it.
Perhaps the reason people lose interest in these threads is that they cannot find the latest set of rules. I've just scanned through 23 pages and I still don't know how to play.
OK, that's my rant.......
Goodnight.....
Sam
Mr TCS let me try to explain
Ok you go on last 3 lines until lose. After lose switch to furthest 3 until lose. That is 1 cycle and after that you raise or reduce chips depending on winning/non wining cycle.
5
3
5
2-start to bet last 3 (253)
2w
4L-switch to furthest from the ones you bet (those were 253-so now you bet 416)
1w
4w
5L-our cycle ends and again we bet last 3 so they are 541
1w
2L-now furthest again from last we were betting (furthest from 541 are 236)
6w
6w
5L last (562)
.
.
.
and so on
This is betting procedure and progression is 1+ 1- on cycle basis, not every won or lost bet
Is this helped mr. TCS?
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 23, 01:45 AM 2012
OK, let me play the Village unintelligent.......
Somewhere along the way I got lost. We have the first version and the "tweaked" version. I've looked at the sheets and I don't get it.
Perhaps the reason people lose interest in these threads is that they cannot find the latest set of rules. I've just scanned through 23 pages and I still don't know how to play.
OK, that's my rant.......
Goodnight.....
Sam
Village_idiot :thumbsup:
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 23, 02:29 AM 2012
Mr TCS let me try to explain
Ok you go on last 3 lines until lose. After lose switch to furthest 3 until lose. That is 1 cycle and after that you raise or reduce chips depending on winning/non wining cycle.
5
3
5
2-start to bet last 3 (253)
2w
4L-switch to furthest from the ones you bet (those were 253-so now you bet 416)
1w
4w
5L-our cycle ends and again we bet last 3 so they are 541
1w
2L-now furthest again from last we were betting (furthest from 541 are 236)
6w
6w
5L last (562)
.
.
.
and so on
This is betting procedure and progression is 1+ 1- on cycle basis, not every won or lost bet
Is this helped mr. TCS?
Cheers
Drazen
Drazen...I kinda kept out of this post for the very reasons Sam mentioned. Its nice to get a round-up.
I tried this method when it first came out but it tanked, so I left it. I never tried this swap version, where you swap to the opposite on a loss.
Maybe I was unlucky in my choice of actuals from Seilbank casino but i played it for 40 or so spins and the BR (100U) range was never outside -93 to +109. stable, I agree, but whats the point.
Thats an hour of taxing brain usage sat in a real casino for (when I quit) +3U
This 18 number bet method might be alright, but the basic +1 on win -1 on loss staking plan is not going to help enough to lift it beyond a long term break even (-2.7%) situation.
Get more inventive with the MM and this system might very well lift to a higher level.
For instance, if you're betting 4 units don't go -1 on loss, repeat the 4 unit bet and go -2 after the 2nd loss. Often you will win the second bet for no lost ground.
If you win the second bet for no lost ground then don't go +1 on the win. Repeat the 4 unit bet.
This simple tweak should pay dividends on many complex distributions.
There are lots of tweaks like this to further enhance the +1w -1L method.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 22, 06:40 PM 2012
Perhaps they've played the spins I've provided. This is the 3rd time I'm asking those who may be playing this accurately to play the spins I've provided and show the results (all 500+ spins, please).
I'd love to say the same as you Mr. Legend.
Have unswered that can't open your spins.
Also,even if I could,wouldn't check unless it's
numbers from actual permanenzes.
Next time send some actuals,preferably one after other,
not from diff.years.Got my point.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 23, 05:47 AM 2012
Drazen...I kinda kept out of this post for the very reasons Sam mentioned. Its nice to get a round-up.
I tried this method when it first came out but it tanked, so I left it. I never tried this swap version, where you swap to the opposite on a loss.
Maybe I was unlucky in my choice of actuals from Seilbank casino but i played it for 40 or so spins and the BR (100U) range was never outside -93 to +109. stable, I agree, but what's the point.
that's an hour of taxing brain usage sat in a real casino for (when I quit) +3U
It is on every one to develop his own play how he likes.
You can make your own MM and stop-loss as you wish. It can be 100 units if you think you can play like that.
But you need good bank in every case you choose.
I know mr. F_LAT_INO for example was telling me before that he plays every EC method with realy good bank in casino with several thousand of units. That way he can hold realy hard fluctations while balance comes. That is one option.
You can't fight against this game with 100 units in pocket. At least not for long.
So every one should test,test test it and see what could be best MM strategy if he wants to play.
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 23, 06:32 AM 2012
It is on every one to develop his own play how he likes.
You can make your own MM and stop-loss as you wish. It can be 100 units if you think you can play like that.
But you need good bank in every case you choose.
I know mr. F_LAT_INO for example was telling me before that he plays every EC method with realy good bank in casino with several thousand of units. That way he can hold realy hard fluctations while balance comes. That is one option.
You can't fight against this game with 100 units in pocket. At least not for long.
So every one should test,test test it and see what could be best MM strategtetgy if he wants to play.
Cheers
Drazen
One hundred percent agree with this post. Smart Money management is CRUCIAL to your success with this game. It cant be overstated. Well said...
Quote from: vile on Jun 23, 06:06 AM 2012
Have unswered that can't open your spins.
Also,even if I could,wouldn't check unless it's
numbers from actual permanenzes.
Next time send some actuals,preferably one after other,
not from diff.years.Got my point.
No reason 2 get upset Vile. Your method can tank once in a while but still be a winner long term.
As i mentioned b4 f u won 40 sessions in a row so it just comes down to MM n proper stop-loss n win-goal. I'm just very allergic 2 claims that method is virtually unbeatable n of strike ratio out of this world.
regards
Not to worry, vile.
I'm not put off by M_O_P's bad number sequence either... I had been winning consistently in trials before he posted that. And anyway, if starting a few spins later or earlier the result I got may well have been quite different. But I also got positive results from playing the original way you posted (before the tweak) Also - it looks like JL is playing it another way entirely and getting good results too.. So not to give up yet!
A.
Ok gents i am not here to defend or to prove anything.
But i see some stir here about bank and possibility of losing.
I never lie so as mr. F_LAT_INO
Please allow me to say something that realy happened in life of one professional player.
Most of you know who is mr.F_LAT_INO here although is not on forum for some time. And i already mentioned him and his play on EC-s in my very previous post in this thread.
Before few years ago he was playing one EC bet that is i pressume familiar to good connoisseurs of this game.
That bet was RO vs. BE
He started to play , and from start he got in DD(draft down). But in DD which lasted 7 days of play in casino. Yes, you see right: seven days.
From very first spin since casino opens, to the last on the end of that session. On the same table every day.
Playing up and down, up and down but balance wasn't coming. First day, second, and on and on and on..
He caught him self that he was playing on 7th day in a row same bet on same table, starting whit number of chips on how much he stopped day before, but one side of the bet (although has more chance matheamticaly) still wasn't come in balance to get him profit.
And when he already decided to take a loss, balance came and gave him profit. On 7th day in a row gents...
Now what is the moral of this story?
How big bank he had to have?
How much patience he had to have?
Does one who has big bank and patience made of iron must be winner in the end?
How many of you would be prepared to play like this?
I hope mr. flat won't mind me for telling this but i thought i should tell this, just to see who is who.
And mr. vile is not far away from mr. flat... Same category of player. be sure about that.
Cheers and have a nice day
Drazen
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 23, 02:05 AM 2012
I'm not sure I'm playing it 100% correct but its winning, What I do is simply track until I have 4 unique lines I,E 2 5 6 4, I then play for match on one of the last 3 of those 4 unique lines, And so far its never more than 4 attempts to hit one, After a win I retrack until I have another 4 unique liner, I do this for 4 games a session then shut it down,
So you only play six numbers instead of 18. How do you decide which one of the last three?
And you hit in 4 attempts!! Math says one out of six is normal. How do you do it?
Why do you wait for 4 unique and then select your line from the last three?
Where are you playing? I mean, literally, where? Is it cold numbers? Real money?
Poor ol' brainwashed Sam
FROM DRAZEN
"Mr TCS let me try to explain
Ok you go on last 3 lines until lose. After lose switch to furthest 3 until lose. That is 1 cycle and after that you raise or reduce chips depending on winning/non wining cycle.
5
3
5
2-start to bet last 3 (253)
2w
4L-switch to furthest from the ones you bet (those were 253-so now you bet 416)
1w
4w
5L-our cycle ends and again we bet last 3 so they are 541
1w
2L-now furthest again from last we were betting (furthest from 541 are 236)
6w
6w
5L last (562)"
Yes, Mr. Drazen, that is quite clear. And that was what I thought it was from studying the sheets. Just wanted a little confirmation.
Now a question:
1
2
3.....start to bet on 1,2,3 lines
1...win
1...win
4...loss
Now that I have my loss with the last three being 1 1 4, do I take a break and wait for thee unique to form?
Thank you for your clear answer. I ran my bloviation checker over it and it was clean!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 23, 08:07 AM 2012
Now a question:
1
2
3.....start to bet on 1,2,3 lines
1...win
1...win
4...loss
Now that I have my loss with the last three being 1 1 4, do I take a break and wait for thee unique to form?
Thank you for your clear answer. I ran my bloviation checker over it and it was clean!!
Sam
No break, this bet is in continuation. Last 3 or furthest 3 doesn't mean that they are last 3 lines in a row. Just last 3 different. Last or furthest.
In your example after loss furthest 3 would be 456
So to conclude if someone still doesnt understand, furthest means opposite lines in othe word.
Cheers :)
Drazen
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 23, 07:59 AM 2012
So you only play six numbers instead of 18. How do you decide which one of the last three?
And you hit in 4 attempts!! Math says one out of six is normal. How do you do it?
Why do you wait for 4 unique and then select your line from the last three?
Where are you playing? I mean, literally, where? Is it cold numbers? Real money?
Poor ol' brainwashed Sam
No Sam :D I guess John bets on 3 last lines if 4 unique lines hit so if 2,3,5,6 u bet 3,5,6.
Its similar 2 his Phase 3 method where u bet 4 step progression against or 4 repeat of 3 lines.
2,3,5,2,2,3 u bet against 2,3,5. If 2,3,5,1,1,4 u bet 4 2,3,5. So if u have 3 repeats u bet against original lines. If opposites hit 3 times u bet 4 original ones. Apparently 1st bet is more strong.
Drazen
So my chart would look like this:
1
2
3.....start to bet on 1,2,3 lines
1...win
1...win
4...loss
now bet
4
5
6
Got it. Thanks a lot.
Sam
Rob
I am going by what the man wrote: "one of the last 3 of those 4 unique lines". He says he bets on one of the last three out of four unique very plainly.
Here is my point: This man is a self-promoted genius, yet he makes statements like this. If you read his post, he is saying that not once has he lost betting six numbers for four spins. Not once!! This means a six-line is repeating once every four spins or less. This is not mathematically possible!
And if the bloke says, "Well, I just haven't tested it enough." I say, "Then why are you posting results like a expert?"
I just don't get it. I just don't get any of it.
TwoCatSam
TCS
My understanding is also that he track lines and use the three first active ones and play does each time once one of the new lines appear.
If that is correct then we can conclude that one will sleep and not show most of the time.
This means that he is actually playing with 3 lines against 2 lines.
That is 18 numbers against 12 numbers and means that if you place only three attacks each time he is playing against one dozen to show 4 times in a row placing 3 bets.
If the trigger is to play once each time a show of the 2 not showing show.
If that is true and i understand it correct i can test is using random org.
EGO
You, Vile and Master have all three contributed to a great idea.
I will have a peek at it with some spins and if it works like I think it will, I'll never post it!
JUST KIDDING!!!
I'll post it, already!
TCS
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 23, 10:37 AM 2012
EGO
You, Vile and Master have all three contributed to a great idea.
I will have a peek at it with some spins and if it works like I think it will, I'll never post it!
JUST KIDDING!!!
I'll post it, already!
TCS
TCS i will be honest with you and tell you that even if some one pay me money i would not use any roulette system at this forum - including my own ideas ...
Quote from: ego on Jun 23, 11:02 AM 2012
TCS i will be honest with you and tell you that even if some one pay me money i would not use any roulette system at this forum - including my own ideas ...
WHY?
Well, that's a blow.........
Still, I'm hatching an idea.
It doesn't need a matrix to work, but I'm trying to incorporate one into it so it will get some play.
One never knows where the spark of idea may come from
EGO, I do also wonder why?
Perhaps you are just not a gambler.
Sam
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I like to know where the ball will end up before i place my bets.
Quote from: vile on Jun 23, 06:06 AM 2012
Have unswered that can't open your spins.
Also,even if I could,wouldn't check unless it's
numbers from actual permanenzes.
Next time send some actuals,preferably one after other,
not from diff.years.Got my point.
Please read my posts. Not sure why you believe these are not actuals because they are. I've provided the spins in multiple ways because you've wanted them that they.
Simply looking for someone who knows how to play this method to play this particular series of spins. That's it. I've only said that it tanks from how I was playing it. I may be playing it wrong. It also appears that there are now multiple ways of playing it. Doesn't matter to me how you play it, I just wanted to see if I was playing it correctly.
@JL, the spins are in an excel spreadsheet on topic #306. Real spins, real wheel, real casino, B & M. Good luck. Be interested to see the results and methodology.
Quote from: ego on Jun 23, 11:29 AM 2012
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I like to know where the ball will end up before i place my bets.
Wouldnt we all.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 23, 11:57 AM 2012
Wouldnt we all.
Then why don't you take a look into visual ballistics ? Physics !
Quote from: ego on Jun 23, 12:09 PM 2012
Then why don't you take a look into visual ballistics ? Physics !
Its not a stable proposition. You would like to know where the ball lands. What I do is try to find out where random isnt able to go. Then it doesnt matter if Im playing on a wheel in Hong Kong. Or Atlantic City. Of ole London town. Or Latvia online, with all those barbie dolls who are supposed to distract us from winning. I know basically the outcome will be very similar.
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 23, 12:15 PM 2012
Its not a stable proposition. You would like to know where the ball lands. What I do is try to find out where random isnt able to go. Then it doesn't matter if I'm playing on a wheel in Hong Kong. Or Atlantic City. Of ole London town. Or Latvia online, with all those barbie dolls who are supposed to distract us from winning. I know basically the outcome will be very similar.
What is the logic behind any existing Roulette System !!!
First spin.
First the dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector.
Finally the ball will hit rotor and scatter around to finally stay in one pocket.
The winning number.
Second spin.
The dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed witch is not the same speed as the previous spin.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force witch is not the same as the previous spin.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector witch probably will not be the same deflector as previous spin.
Finally the ball will hit rotor witch as a new position then previous spin and scatter around to finally stay in one new pocket witch is not the same winning number as the previous spin or indpendet luck will make be the same as previos number - no way to know.
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The rotor has random speeds and different positions at the end as the ball has different travel length or time-frame to the very end when it randomly strike one deflector among others to finally hit rotor and randomly scatter around and at the very end stay in one pocket - the winning number.
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This means that the wheel has 37 degree of freedom and there is no laws or probability witch can predict where the ball will end up as nothing is due to happen.
This is what gamblers fallacy is based upon - that past result can not have any impact or influence or future ones as we deal with 37 degree of freedom.
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This means that every existing roulette system or book that you can read for free or buy should be criminal as they are based upon a lie.
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Cheers
Quote from: ego on Jun 23, 12:27 PM 2012
What is the logic behind any existing Roulette System !!!
First spin.
First the dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector.
Finally the ball will hit rotor and scatter around to finally stay in one pocket.
The winning number.
Second spin.
The dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed witch is not the same speed as the previous spin.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force witch is not the same as the previous spin.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector witch probably will not be the same deflector as previous spin.
Finally the ball will hit rotor witch as a new position then previous spin and scatter around to finally stay in one new pocket witch is not the same winning number as the previous spin.
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The rotor has random speeds and different positions at the end as the ball has different travel length or time-frame to the very end when it randomly strike one deflector among others to finally hit rotor and randomly scatter around and at the very end stay in one pocket - the winning number.
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This means that the wheel has 37 degree of freedom and there is no laws or probability witch can predict where the ball will end up as nothing is due to happen.
This is what gamblers fallacy is based upon - that past result can not have any impact or influence or future ones as we deal with 37 degree of freedom.
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This means that every existing book that you can buy witch offers roulette systems should be criminal as they are based upon a lie.
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Cheers
Books you can buy maybe. Not what I know from experience and results. You are thinking about all the things I rinsed from my mind long ago Ego. Probability and gambler fallacy. NO, All you need to do is find out WHERE RANDOM CAN RARELY GO. And you basically have the game beaten. I've found out a few times. That's why I know I will always profit overall from the game. Random has virtual limits, points it is unable to cross very often. What we then do is find out if we can profit from these findings.
Keep your eye on Bayes RNG over the coming months and you will start to realise I know what I'm talking about. I've been beating roulette for several years. Now I'm going to actually show the members on here first how I beat an RNG. Then how I beat a real wheel. Its showtime literally.
Quote from: ego on Jun 23, 12:27 PM 2012
What is the logic behind any existing Roulette System !!!
First spin.
First the dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector.
Finally the ball will hit rotor and scatter around to finally stay in one pocket.
The winning number.
Second spin.
The dealer pick up the ball and give the rotor a tiny slight push.
The rotor is moving with one specific speed witch is not the same speed as the previous spin.
Then the dealer spin the ball with one specific force witch is not the same as the previous spin.
The ball will travel on the ball track and later lose force and hit one deflector witch probably will not be the same deflector as previous spin.
Finally the ball will hit rotor witch as a new position then previous spin and scatter around to finally stay in one new pocket witch is not the same winning number as the previous spin or indpendet luck will make be the same as previos number - no way to know.
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The rotor has random speeds and different positions at the end as the ball has different travel length or time-frame to the very end when it randomly strike one deflector among others to finally hit rotor and randomly scatter around and at the very end stay in one pocket - the winning number.
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This means that the wheel has 37 degree of freedom and there is no laws or probability witch can predict where the ball will end up as nothing is due to happen.
This is what gamblers fallacy is based upon - that past result can not have any impact or influence or future ones as we deal with 37 degree of freedom.
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This means that every existing roulette system or book that you can read for free or buy should be criminal as they are based upon a lie.
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Cheers
What to say - i stay behind every word i wrote ...
Quote from: ego on Jun 23, 12:40 PM 2012
What to say - i stay behind every word i wrote ...
That's your perogative Ego. A few months down the line you will see I proved what I say. Its not some maths book theory that couldnt relate to the game. But yet has virtually everyone thinking like a loser (yourself included) from the get go. It will be plain fact. This games beatable in the long run.
That is a lie.
You have not write or show any idea that is better in any way then other existing systems.
It is sad that you don't understand that.
All systems are the same.
Quote from: ego on Jun 23, 01:54 PM 2012
That is a lie.
You have not write or show any idea that is better in any way then other existing systems.
It is sad that you don't understand that.
All systems are the same.
If thats what you think. watch this space. You are exactly the kind of mind im doing this test for.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 23, 11:52 AM 2012
Please read my posts. Not sure why you believe these are not actuals because they are. I've provided the spins in multiple ways because you've wanted them that they.
Simply looking for someone who knows how to play this method to play this particular series of spins. That's it. I've only said that it tanks from how I was playing it. I may be playing it wrong. It also appears that there are now multiple ways of playing it. Doesn't matter to me how you play it, I just wanted to see if I was playing it correctly.
@JL, the spins are in an excel spreadsheet on topic #306. Real spins, real wheel, real casino, B & M. Good luck. Be interested to see the results and methodology.
I don't understand you Wally.
You have my explanations in reply #325 when i was explaining to mr. Sam.
It is not possible to explain it more detailed, and that could understood even someone who even doesn't speak English.
I don't have intention to play your 500 spins. This is most simpliest system on forum, so don't tell me you can't understand.
I realy don't understand why are you moaning. You are not retard, and even someone like that would understand that from my explanation.
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 23, 04:41 PM 2012
I don't understand you Wally.
You have my explanations in reply #325 when i was explaining to mr. Sam.
It is not possible to explain it more detailed, and that could understood even someone who even doesn't speak English.
I don't have intention to play your 500 spins. This is most simpliest system on forum, so don't tell me you can't understand.
I realy don't understand why are you moaning. You are not retard, and even someone like that would understand that from my explanation.
Cheers
Drazen
Drazen,
Thanks. I didn't know your reply in #325 was to me.
So, it appears what you are saying is that the spins I've provided and the way I was playing are accurate and the system, in fact, tanks and is not worth anyone's time. Is that right?
If this cannot withstand a simple 500 spin example, I think that's something members would be appreciative to know before spending any time testing it.
That's all I needed to know. By the way, Vile was the one asking for the spins to be provided in different formats. I was simply providing them.
its not good to play any method 500 spins in a row
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 23, 09:56 PM 2012
Drazen,
Thanks. I didn't know your reply in #325 was to me.
So, it appears what you are saying is that the spins I've provided and the way I was playing are accurate and the system, in fact, tanks and is not worth anyone's time. Is that right?
If this cannot withstand a simple 500 spin example, I think that's something members would be appreciative to know before spending any time testing it.
That's all I needed to know. By the way, Vile was the one asking for the spins to be provided in different formats. I was simply providing them.
Agreed. I'm not the one who said this is to be played consecutively.
Quote from: Wally Gator on Jun 23, 09:56 PM 2012
So, it appears what you are saying is that the spins I've provided and the way I was playing are accurate and the system, in fact, tanks and is not worth anyone's time. Is that right?
No,wrong. Opposite actualy. All i said was that you have very clear explanations and if you try to figure it out you will grasp it in 10 seconds.
And then pass your 500 spins and draw conclusions.
And didnt you read it my post how mr. Flat was playing 7 days in a row while waiting correction? Losing is relatively in this game, becasue everything in the end becomes balanced. Now it is on you what way or how deep want to go.
MM is most crucial.
Cheers
Drazen
Wally Gator and others,
Attached 500 spins with all explanation of the bet and
balanced progression.Must read excel.
Sam,
Seen you bit confused as now in this thread we actually have 2 different methods.
We started with 4 unique lines;
1,
2,
3,
4,--trigg.to bet las 3 lines...you have asked why 3 last....unswer is simple and logical.
you have much mor chance that these last 3 hit then opposite,as in these situations of 4
uniques lines it happens in 70% of spins/you can check it up/in case opposite and comes;
5, now you have much more chance that last 3 will hit,as rarely you see 6 uniques,and with
logical pressumption that 1 line in cycle of 6 spins almost always sleep.In other words last 3
lines,in this unique manner,rarely hit less then opposite or there about----egal.
Now the other bet,which is still in testing grounds,come up to my mind while posting this thread.
I have played it couple last nights and realised it could come to some heart/testing situations/maybe it could be good for BV...even Wally Gator session would won flat bet./
This bet wouldn't reccommend to players who are affraid of larger DD......but to me it is nothing
knowing the strike is around corner.....That's what it depends on and so far it always happened.
But frankly prefer the first bet 4 unigues.
Hello Vile!
What was your biggest loss with first way?
And do you have statistic about 70%?
If this switch after 4 unique is the difference 70%, then it is the Holy Grail
Did I said 70???
Typo sir it should stay 60...thanks .
Sun + 37 today.
Very good result.
Did you play continuosly on 1 roulette table?
Thanks.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jun 24, 08:57 AM 2012
Hello Vile!
What was your biggest loss with first way?
And do you have statistic about 70%?
If this switch after 4 unique is the difference 70%, then it is the Holy Grail
It is not HG my friend. I have tested it already and it can go down, dont worry.But it doesnt mean that it isnt long term winner, right ?;)
Cheers
Drazen
Johnlegend statistics is a big difference between 3-4 steps in Code 4, D&C, Hybrid 4 (maybe 100-250%) you can see that.
But these statistics made in hit and run way,
if we found this difference in consistent game it would be a victory in the long run.
Quote from: donik7777 on Jun 24, 09:40 AM 2012
Very good result.
Did you play continuosly on 1 roulette table?
Thanks.
Don,
ITS EASY TO PLAY AND I DO IT ON 2 TABLES.
it wins about 60 chips on 100 invested on
1+1- basis...you can check up attached excel,
even thought its shown on flat bet basis.Go through these spins 1+1- and see what you get.
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 24, 09:49 AM 2012
It is not method my friend. I have tested it already and it can go down, don't worry.But it doesn't mean that it isnt long term winner, right ?;)
Cheers
Drazen
MR. Drazen,
here we are talking about preface bet of this thread.
Quote from: vile on Jun 24, 10:09 AM 2012
MR. Drazen,
here we are talking about preface bet of this thread.
Well i belive i understand it so.
First i tested after 4 unique once attack, then after 4 unique twice attack on last. 3
Second above is more stable.
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: vile on Jun 24, 04:44 AM 2012
Wally Gator and others,
Attached 500 spins with all explanation of the bet and
balanced progression.Must read excel.
Vile, thank you for your explanations and detailed method of play. Please note that these spins were from a double 0 wheel, hence the reason for so many zeros. In spite of that, your method performed nicely.
Again, thanks for spending time on the explanations. Greatly appreciated
.
And here are same numbers from the excel in post 1
on the basis 1+1-.....it didn't reach exactly 60% some under,
but it won more then 100% of money invested.
***Vile, thank you for your explanations and detailed method of play. Please note that these spins were from a double 0 wheel, hence the reason for so many zeros. In spite of that, your method performed nicely.Again, thanks for spending time on the explanations. Greatly appreciated.+++
Pardon me while I shout:
THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!
A man issues a challenge; a man steps up to the plate and accepts. The challenger is man enough to compliment the challenged.
Nothing could be better........
TwoCats
any consensus on which of the several versions of Viles bet is the best?
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 24, 08:22 PM 2012
any consensus on which of the several versions of Viles bet is the best?
Hola Tomla
In my opinion d last one. Betting on last 3 unique lines after 4 unique lines hit until W with +1,-1 progression. Question is f we should incorporate stop-loss here? Otherwise u need huge bankroll n patience. In examples posted here of all 3 versions there were draw downs of 100+ u and bets of 15 or 16u n 1u means 3xtimes single line bet. I think Sam was 120u down but managed 2 recover. Vile claims that sooner or later u will catch winning streak n with sufficient bankroll it would be very difficult 2 lose n he might be right.
Regards
Tom,Rob,2CS,
---msip/METHOD STUDY IT PROPELY/was purposely titled as it is.
--Me gave only BASE OF THE BET..........and you others tray to develop
as best as could.
--Bravo for Drazen.....he have catch it nicely.
--Don't we all want to find E/C bet with most evenly balanced behaviour.
--I have test hundreds of those wheel/table layouts.....and this bet is
most evenly balanced of them all.
--But this bet could be played in several different versions,as you could have grasped
from Drazen post.When I get the time will do excel with all versions and then you can
test and choose which should be most suitable for your play,and which of the version
is really most evenly balanced.I know as have found it after hard and long work.
It's about time you do some also after I send you excel.Good luck.
well so far I like 4 unique then play last 3 one time then second time if lose wait for 4 new unique and restart with +1 -1...but they all seem pretty decent
Tom,
In attachement you can see how evenly balanced this bet is.
There is original version and the version Drazen mentioned
in his post.
This second version has about double bets involved and sometimes
performs better then other version couse it relays on repeats.
uncanny they both end up exactly even after 500... Wouldnt a common fibo do well on both?
1+1- with balanced progression as shown in one of past excels.
and most sessions are evenly balanced similar.as said most
evenly balanced bet in game of roulette.We all need that.
Do we erase repeated sector?
And the progression is +1 on a loss and -1 on a win, right?
And maby a stupid question but what does e/c means? I'm a newbie ;)
Regards,
Niek
e/c stands for even chance bet. That's R/B, Odd/Even or Hi/Low.
It can also be 3 Double streets or 6 Streets. That is any 18 number bet.
Ah Thnx!
If we play in cycles recent/further where do we bet on when zero comes in?
Quote from: CocaVillaLaNoche on Jun 26, 03:58 PM 2012
If we play in cycles recent/further where do we bet on when zero comes in?
--IGNORE ZERO AS A LOS,and continue bet before zero.
--Which lingua do you speak.
did a little more testing it is very solid on delivering hits as in it doesnt go far before rebounding--good work on it
Quote from: vile on Jun 26, 04:02 PM 2012
--IGNORE ZERO AS A LOS,and continue bet before zero.
--Which lingua do you speak.
dutch
Hello
Thought I'd better report on this idea.
I am using the "wait for 4 unique" rules. Tested about 300 spins from yesterday's session at Riverwind. Here's the deal. While there were 48 wins and 48 loses, there was never three losses in a row. No LLL in the whole sheet.
I'm sure this is exceptional. There should be some greater L series.
Anyway, with a +1 on a L and -1 on a win, this system would have performed wonderfully.
I am studying that bot and using it. Studying this and wanting to look at Buf's single dozen idea. No time.
I really need to take a break.
Sam
Quote from: beretta28 on Jun 14, 10:06 AM 2012
Cofi is OK what you say
Even with my method (10 BKR ,goal + 1) you need ten sessions for break even,if L
But the are some tricks that improve this situation
Think of it,is not complicated
MOP is definetely right!
But the gamblers,mainly the compulsive gamblers ,live in a special world and they dream all the time.
As I thought,no on trust me(see my posts above).
Once again:when you will have played 20000 spins flat bet and you will be in +,you can say that the system works....Not before
Before is an "optical illusion".....
I'm wondering if people here that consider this system a winning one know the standard deviaton,Markow chains,favourable unbalance.....
No it's impossible that in 2012 gamblers don't know that.
Please read Google on law on the third,Markow chain,standard deviation and if people are mentally honest and understand what they are reading,I'm sure that they change their mind!!!
trick that improve this situation?
if the probability is < of 90,91% the system is loser
Quote from: vile on Jun 14, 11:17 AM 2012
JL,
here we/I/am talking about roulette live tables....nothing else.
that's why 90%of people.here are desparate to get a method to win,
but its useless with online casinos.They cheat and empty your pockets.
hi vile.... your method is awsome.. i understood it.... didn't try it yet.... but one question you mentioned in this above comment that online casino's cheat..... did you also mean the live online casinos the one with web cams n all..... i play at WH always..... till now even mostly no loss...... i dont have access to land based casinos closer to me.... n if far have a high minimum limit.....
Hi Vile,
Although i have not read all the posts can you please let me know if the is similar to Flat's 3 LAST UNCLES vers. 3 LAPSING AUNTIES.
Many Thanks Koolkat
hi, anyone still play this? This morning session on dublin
(12+13)x3= 75 units
Hello Roulletiers,
I picked up this method and played around with it. Here is a tracker sheet I made and I'm sure Sam will like it.
Maybe the Mathguys, or Progressionmasters (GLC) could have a look and comment on that .
Playing around with the progressions , I think, makes the difference.
Have a nice Day 8)
Ray
thanks!
welcome ;)
Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 25, 06:17 AM 2013
Hello Roulletiers,
I picked up this method and played around with it. Here is a tracker sheet I made and I'm sure Sam will like it.
Maybe the Mathguys, or Progressionmasters (GLC) could have a look and comment on that .
Playing around with the progressions , I think, makes the difference.
Have a nice Day 8)
Ray
---many jump l/w in the tracker....btw...can the numbers be imported to the tracker,or all manual.
Hello Teo,
just delete all the numbers and paste the new ones.... that's all you have to do.
Or you could delete all the numbers and add one number after another and start betting according to the sheet....
Ray
Hi Ray,
Thanks for the sheet I like DS methods :)
Just checking you bet on three Double Streets at a time when the sheet indicates it, is that correct?
Quote from: malcop on Aug 25, 08:48 AM 2013
Hi Ray,
Thanks for the sheet I like DS methods :)
Just checking you bet on three Double Streets at a time when the sheet indicates it, is that correct?
on this sheet the trigger is: after 4 unique lines bet last 3.
Quote from: biagle on Aug 25, 08:55 AM 2013
on this sheet the trigger is: after 4 unique lines bet last 3.
Thanks lines double streets same thing.
update...... compares Lines and Columns
Ray
Hi Ray,
Could you please explain what you mean by columns in your sheet?
For example if the sheet says Column 1 what numbers dose that cover?
Now as far as I am aware you only have three Columns in Roulette and they are a 2-1 bet.
Thanks
malcop
malcop you can split the 3 columns into 6 --i explained it in another thread--if you have a ? just ask
malcop--ray--I divide first column into splits 1-4,, 7-10, 13-16,,,,that's column 1 number 1, column 1, 2 is : 19-22,, 25-28, 31-34,,,, same for column 2 and 3 you end up with 6 groups
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 25, 09:42 PM 2013
malcop you can split the 3 columns into 6 --i explained it in another thread--if you have a ? just ask
Hi Tom,
Could you point me to the thread you explained the concept in.
Not sure if I will use it though because I like the 4 unique DS idea, and it's working out fine for me so far.
But always good to learn/understand different ideas.
Thanks
malcop
I think teo or flat mentioned this and my testing shows it on 00 ,, the columns do better than dozens by some decent %----its bizarre to look at on a table but you get used to it
all done--your informed
Thanks Tom got it :thumbsup:
Interesting idea.
on a table its a different bet because of the splits---but it works out the same---on columns i buy in for smaller chips and as you UK'ers say i figure da damn thang out : )
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 25, 09:55 PM 2013
on a table its a different bet because of the splits---but it works out the same---on columns i buy in for smaller chips and as you UK'ers say i figure da darn thang out : )
Yea I know odds are slightly different line bet for me is 5/1 and you 5.33/1.
And split bet is for single 0 wheel is 17/1 but for US 00 wheel it's 18/1
Am I correct on the 00 payouts? I checked Wikipedia
Honestly Malcop I'm only a fair player I just look at my chips on the the table,,, I know the odds are worse but thats what I have to work with. I have enough fun just tracking my bets -----such is life.
I guess it is higher---I just checked but im immersed in a tellie show now--lol--"Ray Donavan"
Yea that's what I like about online play. I can just log-in any time of day or night, turn the volume down or off, because I can't stand the constant silly chat of the dealers. Watch my favorite TV programs while I make some money :)
When I go to a B&M casino my routine is have a nice meal before I start play, then on to the Roulette & Baccarat tables.
Anyone still playing or testing this method? please share, thanks :D
Quote from: Johnlegend on Jun 23, 12:34 PM 2012
Keep your eye on Bayes RNG over the coming months and you will start to realise I know what I'm talking about. I've been beating roulette for several years. Now I'm going to actually show the members on here first how I beat an RNG. Then how I beat a real wheel. Its showtime literally.
fellow members where can i find The Legends post on the above. Cheers, Hammer, COYI
Quote from: nottophammer on May 24, 06:29 PM 2014
fellow members where can i find The Legends post on the above. Cheers, Hammer, COYI
Do a search on user name John Legend.
From all I have read on here he is thought of as a bit of a blowhard though, good luck following his methods.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 24, 06:29 PM 2014
fellow members where can i find The Legends post on the above. Cheers, Hammer, COYI
Here's JL's philosophy. Everything he said is built around this concept.
"...You will literally defy random and the odds and come out overall with profit in the longterm. When I played long drawn out sessions I LOST. And I still will IF I play that way. But since I have adopted this approach overall I have made profit. And never had a losing year. You only have to think about it. Forget about all you have heard about the game. And think then think some more... ...It can happen YES. But it will happen a lot, lot less than if you just stay there betting for even 20 games in a row. Because you will be more likely to travel into a loss. Even if there was one loss every 100 games. It would be harder to find it playing Hit and Run, than playing straight through 100 games. That should be basic common sense to all..."
Quote from: GLC on May 24, 08:13 PM 2014
Here's JL's philosophy. Everything he said is built around this concept.
"...You will literally defy random and the odds and come out overall with profit in the longterm. When I played long drawn out sessions I LOST. And I still will IF I play that way. But since I have adopted this approach overall I have made profit. And never had a losing year. You only have to think about it. Forget about all you have heard about the game. And think then think some more... ...It can happen YES. But it will happen a lot, lot less than if you just stay there betting for even 20 games in a row. Because you will be more likely to travel into a loss. Even if there was one loss every 100 games. It would be harder to find it playing Hit and Run, than playing straight through 100 games. That should be basic common sense to all..."
Reading that GLC, he does have a point, how often do most people get into a position of profit, then blow it all by staying too long.
GREED suddenly shows its ugly head.
There are many of our members who lean toward hit-n-run. Our dear Iggiv is very knowledgeable and he leans that way. It does have some merit and is a direct conclusion from the fact that if you test any system presented for millions of spins, it will end a loser. On the other hand, I have won many times for a short attack. So, if you can't win playing millions of spins and you can win on short attacks, then hit-n-run must be the way to go.
Those who disagree do so because they state that the wheel doesn't know if you're playing a million consecutive spins or a million spins made up of short bursts with breaks of varying lengths in between. When you put them all together, you still have a million spins to overcome.
You have to decide which side you think has the most merit.
Good Luck,
GLC
My personal rule is the 90% rule.
If I set a profit goal and get 90% of it really quickly, goodbye and see you next time.
just started watching smartlive, first 7 numbers
24-4
18-3
25-5
17-3
11-2
31-6 is this trigger
13-3 win £10 unit £30.00 up
have i played this the right way
Yes u have nottophammer
looks good think a few discrepancies in first post download, but i've had couple bottles of red wine,so will recheck in morning without a pounding head, must have some water.
Played earlier on RNG in Paddy Power 125 spins let a few triggers go but still won £15.00 with £1 units.
Should one not play this on RNG.
Goodnight, Hammer, COYI.
The download in reply 1.
Few of the cells show trigger thats missed or should not have been a trigger.
Take cell 474, 5 wins, next trigger 481 and 482, is a win with 2. Then 484 is trigger and 486 wins, just a win missed i think, there are others,but it wins, that is all that matters.
I LIKE IT, like its tittle, must study it properly
here's 60 spins Aspers MK. Can some one show the bets and if it wins?
8-2
34-6
21-4
33-6
10-2
23-4
22-4
34-6
29-5
31-6
12-2
19-4
31-6
8-2
29-5
4-1
16-3
24-4
20-4
17-3
23-4
35-6
33-6
9-2
5-1
8-2
19-4
13-3
18-3
20-4
13-3
11-2
4-1
33-6
25-5
32-6
33-6
24-4
19-4
34-6
15-3
13-3
12-2
31-6
23-4
32-6
25-5
23-4
35-6
17-3
4-1
30-5
16-3
28-5
14-3
23-4
34-6
30-5
11-2
34-6
played it but not to sure wether bet 1,2,4,8 and so on, or the 1+/1-
Made a profit with some other bets, but be nice to see if trigger would be where i thought.
cheers Hammer, COYI
Hi Hammer
Having caught up on the thread over the past few days, this is how I think this should have been played, could be totally wrong though, also, I’m not sure of the betting amounts/progression. Overall its 14 wins & 10 losses, with a good run at the start...
Also, which I didn’t include, as I’m not 100% sure, are you supposed to switch to betting the opposite after 2 losses in a row, and then stop after another 2 consecutive losses, and wait for a trigger i.e. after the 2 con losses after the initial bets of 2,6, & 4, should I have switched to 1, 5, & 3 after the 2 con losses until 2 con losses until another 2 con losses, if this is the case, I think you would have had another 3 wins...
Reading the above, it doesn't look as though I've helped you much, more questions than answers ???
8-2
34-6
21-4 trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 2,6, & 4 until 2 consecutive losses
33-6 w
10-2 w
23-4 w
22-4 w
34-6 w
29-5 l
31-6 w
12-2 w
19-4 w
31-6 w
8-2 w
29-5 l
4-1 l, 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
16-3 another trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 5, 1, & 3 until 2 consecutive losses
24-4 l
20-4 l 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
17-3
23-4
35-6
33-6
9-2
5-1
8-2
19-4
13-3
18-3
20-4
13-3
11-2
4-1
33-6
25-5
32-6
33-6
24-4
19-4
34-6
15-3
13-3
12-2
31-6 another trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 3, 2, & 6 until 2 consecutive losses
23-4 l
32-6 w
25-5 l
23-4 l 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
35-6
17-3
4-1
30-5 another trigger, now betting 1, 5, & 3
16-3 w
28-5 w
14-3 w
23-4 l
34-6 l
30-5
11-2
34-6
Regards
Jim
Also, as well as another 3 additional wins, you would have had another 3 additional losses - 17W & 14 L.
Jim
8-2
34-6
21-4 trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 2,6, & 4 until 2 consecutive losses
33-6 w
10-2 w
23-4 w
22-4 w
34-6 w
29-5 l
31-6 w
12-2 w
19-4 w
31-6 w
8-2 w
29-5 l
4-1 l, 2 losses in a row switch to 1, 4, & 3
16-3 w
24-4 l
20-4 l 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
17-3
23-4
35-6
33-6
9-2
5-1
8-2
19-4
13-3
18-3
20-4
13-3
11-2
4-1
33-6
25-5
32-6
33-6
24-4
19-4
34-6
15-3
13-3
12-2
31-6 another trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 3, 2, & 6 until 2 consecutive losses
23-4 l
32-6 w
25-5 l
23-4 l 2 losses in a row now switch to 4, 1, & 5
35-6 l
17-3 l 2 losses wait for trigger
4-1
30-5 another trigger, now betting 1, 5, & 3
16-3 w
28-5 w
14-3 w
23-4 l
34-6 l 2 losses switch to 2, 6, & 4
30-5 l
11-2 w
34-6 w
Hi Jimmie
think first trigger is 19. what i am not sure of is the betting of this, whether to just bet once only, if lose, add one on next trigger, seems so many ways to stake this.
One member said to bet only twice,as it soon makes up the losses.
Quote from: GLC on May 24, 08:37 PM 2014
There are many of our members who lean toward hit-n-run. Our dear Iggiv is very knowledgeable and he leans that way. It does have some merit and is a direct conclusion from the fact that if you test any system presented for millions of spins, it will end a loser. On the other hand, I have won many times for a short attack. So, if you can't win playing millions of spins and you can win on short attacks, then hit-n-run must be the way to go.
Those who disagree do so because they state that the wheel doesn't know if you're playing a million consecutive spins or a million spins made up of short bursts with breaks of varying lengths in between. When you put them all together, you still have a million spins to overcome.
You have to decide which side you think has the most merit.
Good Luck,
GLC
I'd say testing for the millions of spins could knock a good system down, agree short play is the way, when one walks in b+m you join the cycle of spins and could just be starting where its going to tank out,but then it might be just the right time and give the wins, and out you go with the win, or loss.
Quote from: nottophammer on May 29, 05:01 AM 2014
Hi Jimmie
think first trigger is 19. what i am not sure of is the betting of this, whether to just bet once only, if lose, add one on next trigger, seems so many ways to stake this.
One member said to bet only twice,as it soon makes up the losses.
Hi Hammer,
After having had another look at previous posts, in particular the attachment in reply 349, your correct, I've misunderstood. Regarding the progression, nothing appears to be set in stone. I would possibly look at flat betting, for example say you have a BR of 15 units per game, after a trigger play to you get a win, after the win wait for another trigger, if you lose all 5 bets your game is over, or if BR reaches zero, game over, however, if you get your BR to +3 units (18 in total), wait for another trigger and on this occasion bet a total of 6 units (2 per DS), if you win you are 9 units ahead, and the game is won, if you lose simply drop down to the 1 unit per DS until you get a win, and so on....
Yesterday Aspers westfield London.
blocks of ten, dont know why but like blocks of ten.
18-3
25-5
30-5
34-6
35-6
31-6
6-1
15-3
11-2 t now does one bet the same trigger to a win,or back the changing d/s to a win, or ?
27-5
16-3 w win if back same as trigger that started,in two spins.
3-1 t trigger after win, should we wait for 4 unique d/s after win,if dont wait trigger wins straight away
4-1 w win with rolling trigger( that started at 11-2)
17-3
35-6
6-1
30-5 t if stay with trig 5,1,6 takes 4 to win, red w at 26-5
7-2
16-3
16-3w win here with rolling trig from above trigger
26-5w
34-6
15-3
7-2 t stay with same trigger and takes 5 to win,rolling trig wins in 3, red w
25-5
2-1
2-1 w
6-1
18-3 w
24-4
6-1
34-6 t trigger 6,1,4 wins in 1, are we happy with win and should we continue with trigger 6,1,4?
32-6
3-1
19-4
27-5 t trig 5,4,1 stay with trig takes 2 to win, rolling trig wins same
18-3
26-5 w
17-3
19-4
23-4
19-4
14-3
9-2
23-4
25-5 t trig 5,4,2 wins in 3, rolling trig wins in 2 red w
13-3
16-3w if carry on with rolling trig many wins, but what are the rules.
20-4 w
17-3
17-3
21-4
5-1
20-4
7-2
31-6 t trig 6,2,4 takes 2 to win, rolling trig takes 3 red w
2-1
20-4 w
33-6 w
34-4
32-6
30-5
6-1 t trig 1,5,6 takes 4 to win, rolling trig takes 5 red w
18-3 t what would happen here
11-2 another trig
24-4 and again any ideas what we should do ?
30-5 w
21-4w phew lots happening here, think i'll leave it here, anyone work out the outcome, cheers
12-2
15-3
23-4
19-4
23-4
5-1
12-2
1-1
23-4
36-6
22-4
29-5
2-1
5-1
29-5
2-1
8-2
8-2
0-0
6-1
20-4
36-6
23-4
27-5
9-2
12-2
10-2
what i mainly played,was playing the numbers off the mat.
18
25
30
34
35
31
6
15
11
27 no repeats here so 27 numbers to cover.
16 w win 16 had not been hit, 26 left to cover,
3 w i'll just put w win or l lose
4 w
17 w four on the bounce, now the killer to the br
35 l
6 l
30 l
7 w
16 l
16 l five wins out of ten, usually on avg get 7wins, the next ten avg 5 wins, will see.
26 w thats 16 numbers played off mat
34 l
15 l
7 l
25 l
2 w with progression you'd win
2 l
6 l
18 l
24 w 18 now played off , only three wins in this ten spins the lady croupier was repeating well, next ten thought would hit at
least 5 numbers of the 19 to find.
6 l
34 l
32 w
3 l
19 w
27 l
18 l
26 l
17 l
19 l only two hits. now after the first ten spins, find on avg the next thirty spins gives 15 wins (avg) so here only 10, five
below avg. (my avg)
23 w
19 l
14 w changed croupier here, so started a new game, still watching the numbers being played off.
9 w
23 l
25 l
13 w
16 l
20 w
17 l 25 numbers played off the mat. on avg in 60 spins see 30 numbers gone, so the last 10 coming up.
17 l
21 w
5 w
20 l
7 l
31 l
2 l
20 l
33 w
24 l well 28 gone pritty close to the 30 on avg. Remember at spun 14 in the fifth block of ten croupier changed and started
another game.
9
23
25
13
16
20
17
17
21
5 17 repeat so 9 off the mat. 28 to find, and next 30 spins on avg get 15 numbers.
20 l
7 w
31 w
2 w
20 l
33 w in the other game 33 was 28th spun off mat.
24 w
32 w
30 w
6 w 8 hits avg usually 7. 17 numbers of the 37 gone.
18 w
11 w
24 l
30 w
21 l
12 w in this game of 60 pins 12 is the 21st number gone. whilst tracking in other game number 12 is the 29th number to go -
15 w taking 10 spins, and would be easy win with progression.
23 l
19 w
23 l another 6 hits making 23 numbers played off.
5 l
12 l
1 w 1 is 24 number spun off mat, in other game 1 is 30th to go and took just 7 spins to find would be a nice win.
23 l
36 w 36 is 25 spun off this game and in game above is 31st spun off taking just 2 spins, would be another good win.
22 w 22 is 26th and game above is 32nd spun off mat
29 w 29 is 27th and above game is 33rd spun off mat, only 4 to find
2 l
5 l
29 l 4 hits making 27 played off mat, only ten to find. Of the last 30 spins 18 numbers hit plus 3 this game against the
minus 5 in first game.
2 l
8 w is 28th spun off mat this game, in first game still tracking 8 is the 34th gone taking just 5 spins.
8 l
0 w zero is 29th gone in 44 spins, in first game zero is the 35th spun off taking 2 spins
6 l
20 l
36 l
23 l
27 w 30th gone taking just 49 spins, in first game already gone.
9 l
12 l
10 w 31st number spun of mat, in first game 10 is 36th number gone taking 8 spins. Left casino now, but in first game 36 of
the 37 numbers spun of in 95 spins, on smart live,numerous games taped and put in computer usually see all
37 numbers gone within 120 spins.
Any of you experianced bots be able to look over this for a few thousand spins and get avg that each each number takes to leave the mat, cheers
I may have a longer term progression that you can end up with more loses then wins
and still come out ahead. Maybe this will be help full with this method. Also after reading through
the posts I still am not really understanding how this method works. I noticed there was a video
posted before but it is not there now. If anyone would be kind enough to show me real quick or
make a video so I can see that would be great..
Quote from: JimmieB on May 29, 02:01 AM 2014
Hi Hammer
Jimmie think you have to wait for four unique, then back last 3.Could back 3 unique, but do you back to get the trigger or bet to not get the trigger,(sounds like shakespeare).
Having caught up on the thread over the past few days, this is how I think this should have been played, could be totally wrong though, also, I’m not sure of the betting amounts/progression. Overall its 14 wins & 10 losses, with a good run at the start...
Also, which I didn’t include, as I’m not 100% sure, are you supposed to switch to betting the opposite after 2 losses in a row, and then stop after another 2 consecutive losses, and wait for a trigger i.e. after the 2 con losses after the initial bets of 2,6, & 4, should I have switched to 1, 5, & 3 after the 2 con losses until 2 con losses until another 2 con losses, if this is the case, I think you would have had another 3 wins...
Reading the above, it doesn't look as though I've helped you much, more questions than answers ???
8-2
34-6
21-4 trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 2,6, & 4 until 2 consecutive losses
33-6 w
10-2 w
23-4 w
22-4 w
34-6 w
29-5 l
31-6 w
12-2 w
19-4 w
31-6 w
8-2 w
29-5 l
4-1 l, 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
16-3 another trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 5, 1, & 3 until 2 consecutive losses
24-4 l
20-4 l 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
17-3
23-4
35-6
33-6
9-2
5-1
8-2
19-4
13-3
18-3
20-4
13-3
11-2
4-1
33-6
25-5
32-6
33-6
24-4
19-4
34-6
15-3
13-3
12-2
31-6 another trigger, 3 DSs from each of the dozens, now bet 3, 2, & 6 until 2 consecutive losses
23-4 l
32-6 w
25-5 l
23-4 l 2 losses in a row wait for another trigger
35-6
17-3
4-1
30-5 another trigger, now betting 1, 5, & 3
16-3 w
28-5 w
14-3 w
23-4 l
34-6 l
30-5
11-2
34-6
Regards
Jim
i like this
made a thread about 3 double streets before seeing this
reply 435
jimmie does well,seem to remember the 3 d/s's have to be in each doz. did well with this but playing it the betting shops (RNG) it felt like the machine knew what was doing after a week or so, cheap spinning the wheel for £1.20(6 d/s) to get the trigger, would get a zero or to, so do you give .20p each spin to get the trigger,costing money and hope the zeros come.
what is the bet selection?
how does he decide which double streets to bet on
Hi Rich,
Check out the attachment in reply #349 from rayhd...
The attachment shows you wait for 4 unique DS, then best the last 3, if you lose you will have a new set of 3 DSs, bet those, if you lose again (now twice in a row), bet the new 3 DSs you now have, lose again (now three times in a row), stop, wait for a virtual win, and start tracking again for the trigger. The progression is 1,1,3, and you don't bet anymore than 3 times in a row,any win within the 3 bets, stop, and again, start tracking for a new trigger.
I hope this helps :)
Regards
Jim
Hi Jimmie B
A reply yesterday you said 2 b/r's, was this for outside EC bets
Hi NTH,
It was on this thread, I think it may work on partner betting....
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14820.msg125404;topicseen#msg125404 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=14820.msg125404;topicseen#msg125404)
Regards
Jim
One word of warning. Knowing my friend Flat_ino (Vile), something this old...he is not playing anymore.
The reason will be because he ultimatly found issues with it.
The way he played (10 hours a day) would of soak tested this to the extreme. His methods always required a massive bank roll too.
When it went wrong it would of been spectacular loss.
Just some background.
I agree in the long run all methods are loosers; However,
with sound money management and being happy with about 10%
profit this method and other double street methods would
allow us to achieving the winning goals.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 08, 04:34 AM 2014
One word of warning. Knowing my friend Flat_ino (Vile), something this old...he is not playing anymore.
The reason will be because he ultimatly found issues with it.
The way he played (10 hours a day) would of soak tested this to the extreme. His methods always required a massive bank roll too.
When it went wrong it would of been spectacular loss.
Just some background.
Acording to Flat In O hiimself he lost 100 000 Euro at one visit at the Venice, Italy casino. That wiped him out.
Tam
was it a case of flat started the bet sequence and thought he could keep betting for the win as he had that big b/r.
You'd think he'd be able to beat the string of L's with 100,000 units, 3d/s, longest i've seen is 7,seen a quote of 11
Greed took over
Quote from: richbailey86 on Oct 08, 12:44 PM 2014
Greed took over
I wouldn't use the word greed. Flats ultimate belief in the method perhaps did
He isn't one to get prematurely exited until massive testing indicates.
Perhaps over exposure to the HE or even extremes random can produce. He did (does) play long sessions every day.
The guys a legend. I'm a big fan
Hope when the loss of 100,000 â,¬ occurred he had won a lot more than that
before.....
Hope he comes back to roulette stronger as ever.
He has won money but a lot of money was spent on expensive hotels plus travels .
latInO did not specify the system(s) but apparently trying to win back losses was his downfall.
About 3-4 years ago he went to Nice and Monaco but something happened there which the casinos did not like and he was banned . No details from him.
The above information was posted by FlatInO himself at both of Steve`s forum but under a different user name. Can` recall which one
Tamino
If you have a hundred grand why do you need to play roulette?
SAS
Quote from: SpinASequence on Oct 08, 01:47 PM 2014
If you have a hundred grand why do you need to play roulette?
SAS
I think thats one to ask about 75% of Premier league footballers.
up to 350K/week and still seen in Casinos.
Quote from: Turner on Oct 08, 02:00 PM 2014
I think thats one to ask about 75% of Premier league footballers.
up to 350K/week and still seen in Casinos.
I can kind of understand with footballers. They must get bored out of their tree.
I remember reading about one player who had a lightbulb blow a fuse. He couldn't change it himself. He had to phone up someone to come around and fix it. Probably just in case he fell of the ladders and broke his leg and was out for the season.
Losing 100k doesn't sound so bad when you know you have another 350k coming next week. :xd:
yeah bored out of their tree and so tired after two games a week
Le us not ignore the fact that casino games are a form of recreation. Sir Winston Churchill whom I admire also played at the Riviera resorts.
His only comment:" I wish that RED had showen more often".
Therefore I like to repeat my standard disclaimer: For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.
never replay the winnings. Plan for 3 sessions and attempt to win 2 out of those 3.ust bring the proper bankroll per ONE session: 40 times your initial bet , set Loss limit of that amount at 25 %, and shoot for a 10% Win Goal
Repeat of disclaimer above.
Tamino
I must say this method has been doing well in the last dozen try outs at DB. I have been playing .1 chips for a goal of +6 or +9. Unfortunately i have not had time, but seeing as this is going well, i might put more time into it...
This method is a rough diamond, if u study it properly, and
know how to tweak u can make it a real pearl.
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 13, 02:55 AM 2014
This method is a rough diamond, if u study it properly, and
know how to tweak u can make it a real pearl.
Interesting approach, but I don't see how this won't lose in the end...
This is where extensive practical playing experience / tricks come into it my friend.
Hi, i'm new to this site but have been reading the forum for ages without registering.
So now have registered... here we go.
I've picked up on this method and just wanted to share some results with you all.
Pretty decent method which i have been practising using and the results are insane.
I started messing around with 3 double streets the night before and had consitent results, so i searched and found this thread, which gave me this awesome method.
Attatched is the M/Excel file of my recent results from Dublin bet, fresh off the press so to speak. 100 hundred spins from Table 1 at Dublinbet
Quote from: jbudd32 on Sep 15, 07:27 PM 2015
Hi, i'm new to this site but have been reading the forum for ages without registering.
So now have registered... here we go.
I've picked up on this method and just wanted to share some results with you all.
Pretty decent method which i have been practising using and the results are insane.
I started messing around with 3 double streets the night before and had consitent results, so i searched and found this thread, which gave me this awesome method.
Attatched is the M/Excel file of my recent results from Dublin bet, fresh off the press so to speak. 100 hundred spins from Table 1 at Dublinbet
welcome
I to have tested this......using the double streets as the original poster suggested
performs well
killed me on airball though.....have not tried on real wheel
Quote from: Chris555p on Oct 13, 06:35 AM 2014
This is where extensive practical playing experience / tricks come into it my friend.
yes plenty of practice for this first
Yes plenty of practice first is needed.
So i have been toying around with a few ideas on this Method.
Using the great tracking Excel sheet made by Ray (nice one Ray)
I have come to the idea of flat betting on the last outcome.
So for Example, the outcome is 2, so i bet on all the evens 2-4-6 and carry on following that for as long as it runs for, then obviously if the outcome is 3 then i bet on all the odds 1-3-5.
So far testing has shown a massive profit this way. (Well only profit if its done for real)!
I will be depositing tonight and playing for real. I will once again save the spin data and post up my results in due course.
Would be good to hear any thoughts on this.
Regards
Hi Jbudd,
Have a look at this excellent DS system from Buffalo Wizard (thanks BW!!), it's not too unlike what you're describing....
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11993.0 (link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11993.0)
Jim
Hey thanks for that it looks very interesting.
I have adapted a version now which is working very well.
In 47 spins earlier i totalled £2100 profit (in fun chips)
I basically follow the leader, so 64242 etc...
Then when a loss of following the lead i start betting opposite until a repeat.
So example: 113536 even hits so i bet on all the odds if win bet on even, follow the Chop.
The only thing that will break this betting is for example 44334433
So 2 of the same repeating back to Back.
My chips were 50 on each double street and only ever raise to 100 per double st.
Never progress more.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Aug 25, 09:42 PM 2013
malcop you can split the 3 columns into 6 --i explained it in another thread--if you have a ? just ask
Tom how you break columns into 6.
1, 1,4,7,10,13,16 or 1, 1,4,7,19,22,25,
post the link lets see if I remember-lol
Quote from: jbudd32 on Sep 18, 03:26 PM 2015
So for Example, the outcome is 2, so i bet on all the evens 2-4-6 and carry on following that for as long as it runs for, then obviously if the outcome is 3 then i bet on all the odds 1-3-5.
This way work very good, but sometime feel like jog on spot. Patience require.
both of the above methods work well!!!
Anyone done a YouTube video for this?
Quote from: dimsun on Jul 04, 01:29 AM 2016
This way work very good, but sometime feel like jog on spot. Patience require.
Grasshopper,
A fool and his money are soon parted.