See if this one works for you. I've only tested it with 200 american spins.
After 3 different DOZ (or COL), bet that either one of the last 2 Dozens will repeat on the next spin (bet on last 2 Doz)
Ex: Doz1, Doz3, Doz2
Bet on last two......that is, Doz3 & Doz2.
STOP after 2 losses in a row.
FLAT BETS only
Average win: 8u. per 100 spins (if playing both Doz & Col)
13
9....diff
22....diff
32.....diff.................on the next spin, bet on Doz2 & Doz3
2.......lose (-2)................next bet is on Doz3 & Doz1
6......Win (-1).............wait till you have 3 different Dozens (or Columns)
13
6
21
18
34....diff
22....diff
1.....diff ................on next spin, bet on Doz2 & Doz1
17....Win (0)
35.............last 3 Dozens are different. We bet on the next spin
30...Win(+1)
These kind of systems has been invented ten minutes after the invention of roulette 200 years ago!
Damn, i guess i'm late. LOL...........but have you tried it and see how it works for you?
oldies can be goodies--i will give it a 300 spin whirl
I tested 734 spins for you only on dozens bets.
Nice hit ratio. :) So far! ;)
(//)
I have tested all variations of bets like this...There is a case had missed this one....if I hadn t missed this one that means that it s the same like the rest....but I don t remember quite well.
If this bet selection show a nice hit ratio(not a lot of losses in a row) then with a mild progression maybe it would be a nice method.
I continued the test and made them 1272 spins...Aprox. 270 bet spins
So after 270 bets of 2 chips each bet we are +1. This isn t bad...not bad at all TILL NOW ofcource
Still nice hit ratio...Never had more than 5 losses in a row till now
I faced around 7 zeros so far
(//)
I just tried this with some spins from Germany,
Played Doz & Col at the same time
163 spins played
Profit: +11
Drawdown: -9
isch: T2
Datum: 2012-06-24
********* Gewinnzahlen ********
16
3
8
32W+1
24
9L
5W+2
32
17
2L
4W+3
27
27W+4
3
17
27L+2
36W+3
3
21
34L+1
16 W +2
14
35
34
23
9
34LL-2
25WW0
3
10
33
35
14W+1
28
6
5WL0
27W+1
35
32
32
24
35
21
6
19W+2
12
27
29W+3
21
11
28L+1
9WL-1
5L-3
35
25
7
34
36
12
14
34L-5
31W-4
25
16
33
1
10W-3
3
-- -- --
12
20
4
31W-2
29W-1
9
23W0
9W+1
18
12
1
23
26W+2
28W+3
17
0
12
28LL-1
34WW+1
22
-- -- --
11
3W+2
17W+3
25
20WW+5
29
33
11
5
22
27
25WW+7…………………………..100TH SPIN
4
1
16
27
32W+8
13L+6
20W+7
21
34L+5
-- -- --
18W+6
30
19
27
21
2
18W+7
16
3W+8
18
19
24
22
16
26
14
33
29
6
0
8
18
32
35W+9
8
29
16
17W+10
22
23
14
28
19
29
21
15W+11
13
19
0
13
25
-- -- --
28
11
14
0L+9
14W+10
19
17
19
17
7
29
29W+11…………………………………………163TH SPIN
35
15
18
16
19
18
22
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 25, 12:24 PM 2012
I continued the test and made them 1272 spins...Aprox. 270 bet spins
So after 270 bets of 2 chips each bet we are +1. This isn t bad...not bad at all
LOL to +1.
But speaking of a progression, after the first 2 losses, one could wait for 3 more virtual losses and use a Marti, or whatever works.
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jun 25, 11:56 AM 2012
oldies can be goodies--i will give it a 300 spin whirl
Yeah, i like to test some of the old stuff and see what changes could have been made.......who knows!
I am now to 1985 spins ..... 420 bets +1
Its not a bad hit ratio all all! I have still not had more than 5 misses in a row(it happened only once)
The negative expectation(-2.7%) in 420 bets of 2 chips per spin is -22.68. aprox. -23 chips and we are +1
This is why it is not bad at all.....
This bet selection will not be the final method.....what we have to see is IF this bet selection is any better than all the others(-2,7).... IF it will be true(mathematical impossible) then it may be the base of a flat winning bet OR maybe it can be combined with a mild progression.
I have tested around UNLIMITED flat bets....and all was driving to the -2.7.
If this one is any better , then this is a great thing.
(//)
Wow! Cool! Thanks for checking, MoP.........sounds interesting.
No problem my friend.
don't be exited from now.
I have tested flat bets that passed 2.100 spins and then crashed badly....
So as u understand we are still in the testing phase and we haven t tested a lot....
Please continue testing and post results....test only dozens ...
In the end we will ADD the results .
908 placed bets = -42
The normal expectation of 908 bets with 2 chips per spin is = -48.6
So as You can see the house edge did what is is supposed to do :)
Conclusion : This bet selection is not better than the others.
Thanks.
(//)
Damn!! Oh well! I'm thinking that some kind of progression might work with this. Here are more results from the German casino.
Dozens only
318 spins
Profit: +5
Drawdown: -10
Tisch: T3
Datum: 2012-06-24
********* Gewinnzahlen ********
33
2
27
17
33W+1
23
19
9
15
2
6
33
5
14
21W+2
10
1
27
28
13
19
36
30
27
9
8
14
36
6L+0
26W+1
3
4
5
21
27
25W+2
12
5
8
27
19
5L+0
24W+1
22
20
23
5
19
30
13W+2
26
0
5
22L+0
22W+1
8
10
26
2
21
20
35
23W+2
31
10
11W+3
24
33
27W+4
26
26
18
0
32
27
5
10
35
4
26
5
17
21W+5
29
22
14
32
0
22
6
5W+6
16
0
2
8
26
32
17
17
36
28
7
1
19
6
22
6
1
11
32
17
12L+4
10W+5
19
0
32
30W+6
22
29
25
0
21
11
13W+7
27
20W+8
3
26L+6
13L+4………STOP….WAIT FOR NEW TRIGGER
12
33
0L+2
27W+3
30
25
11
34
25
30
34
14
20
1
31
2W+5
2
31
14
17W+6
6
14
1
21
23
12
11
2
9
15
13
34
27
25
21
0
13
7
25
16L+4
11L+2…………..STOP AND WAIT FOR NEW TRIGGER
27
34W+3
26
36
10
33
3
30
12
29
25
34
6
7
11
12
20
21
21
30
33
36
5
33
20
22W+4
3
31
17L+2
7L+0………..STOP & WAIT
34
0L-2
6W-1
26
30
31
30
27
19
2
23W+0
30
5L-2
7W-1
28
15
26W+0
2
32W+1
18
17W+2
18
28
36
11
25
3
27
32
16
1
0L+0
21W+1
10
19
10
22
3
18
32
26W+2
28
31
10
29
23
0L+0
20W+1
24
27
10
1W+2
36
30
7
22
5W+3
36
35
19
15
4
3
26
16
34W+4
22
11
15W+5
5
16
22
17
28
31
21
19
15
5
17
1
10
34
25
5
4
36
26
18
9
20W+6
34
10L+4
6W+5
4
31
33
18
33
27
17
36
19
22
30
30
25
33
31
0
5
24
28L+3
28W+4
9
27
14
20W+5
10
36
Using the same spins above, going Doz and Col the result was - 15
in my testing it never went more of 5 losses in a row....2 times only went to 5 and all the others above that.
If this helps you in any way...use it.
Yep, that can help..........or wait after 2 losses, and if another sleeper shows up on the next spin, go for the kill on the next 2 spins.
I have tested this system some time ago. Actualy i still have on PC 60 sessions of wiesbaden tested with this bet.
It works realy interesting most of the time, but can catch unpleasnt losing waves as everything. It is not holy schmoly i am afraid.
Why this should have merit? I hope you all see it.
What we are doing here is betting against perfect state. (all 3 different dozens/col in a row)
Because we have 6 different combinations of those, and 12 combinations of other states + green goblin of course
We are losing on 6 states and winning on 12 :thumbsup:
I tested it with 2+ 1- progression
Enjoy!
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: Carsch on Jun 25, 11:12 AM 2012
Average win: 8u. per 100 spins (if playing both Doz & Col)
Thanks for the read Carsch, I do like a good read!
To be honest, the only bit I really dont get is the above. "8u per 100 spins?"
I go to a casino in my car. I must have a bit of dosh to have a car. I have "£50 for the losing of" in my wallet, so thats expendable income. I sit at table one for 4 hours. I see 7 different croupiers.
For 8 U.
I dont get it.
Ok ok i am in the good mood today. Slowely but i think steadily letting my roots on the dark side ;) So in some future time systems should be matter of past :-[ lol
There is a thread from mr. ego called "Reduce bets with same probability" I belive you know what am i talking about because some of you were mocking with it. Shame on you!
Well you see, now could be good to stop mocking and think about it...
Well well well, is there a way we could have same thing, but without placing 2 chips to won 1 in this case??
:girl_to:
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: drazen_cro on Jun 25, 05:27 PM 2012
Ok ok i am in the good mood today. Slowely but i think steadily letting my roots on the dark side ;) So in some future time systems should be matter of past :-[ LoL
There is a thread from mr. ego called "Reduce bets with same probability" I belive you know what am i talking about because some of you were mocking with it. Shame on you!
Well you see, now could be good to stop mocking and think about it...
Well well well, is there a way we could have same thing, but without placing 2 chips to won 1 in this case??
:girl_to:
Cheers
Drazen
You look quite sane on the photograph
As do you turnerfeck :)
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 25, 05:40 PM 2012
You look quite sane on the photograph
Thanks
But my humble opinion is that one way or another, altogether, to succeed in this game you have to be be fanatic and obsessive to such extent that borders with
insanity. >:D
After all it is devils game isnt it? How far you have to go across the hell and get devil for his .... :-X ?
LoL
Cheers
Drazen
I think that numbers can only be divine Draze ( don't mean that to sound serious :) Its amazing to think all the angles of this game were devised before computers. Random has limits but roulette seems to fluctuate just within those at every turn. However, there are ways to prosper I believe.
Quote from: amk on Jun 25, 05:49 PM 2012
As do you turnerfeck :)
I thought i was for a while with all this....but sometimes or other you have to stick your flag in the soil and say "Ive analised everything, and I will do this"
If you try to maintain everything and every idea, you become the dog chasing its tail.
There are definate camps in the study of roulette. EC, matrix, long progressions, trends and sector bets. I Think your one or the other.
I think its best to decide what you believe works and stick with it.
You cant do all of them
My flag is to look at short term trends. repeats for a few spins, not repeats for 16 spins with some "this isnt working is it" progression.
Im almost certainly with the "flat betters"
Someone said in here "if it needs a progression it hasnt worked." Im agreeing with that.
Thats it for now.
Turner
I hijacked your post Carsch....sorry...back to topic!!!
My bad to Carsch!
My conclusion is that there are indeed players prospering with roulette for many years. Must you formulate a game plan, yes. Will everyone succeed, no.
Quote from: amk on Jun 25, 06:08 PM 2012
I think that numbers can only be divine Draze ( don't mean that to sound serious :) Its amazing to think all the angles of this game were devised before computers. Random has limits but roulette seems to fluctuate just within those at every turn. However, there are ways to prosper I believe.
MY friend roulette is mathematical game and systems can only use mathematics/statistics to beat it. Because of negative expectancy all will fail on zilion of spins.
Here is nothing else in matter. As i said. Reduce bets with same probability. Nothing spectacular, nothing voodoo as mr. TCS would said LoL
I didn't do anything special, epochal or incredible.
i just engaged my gray cells and connected black dots that some very knowledable people left here.
The ones that are leaving only dot in first post of the thread and been mocked for that, but they are the one who are mocking in a way...
And this is just one example. You have many of them on forum to create decent bet. You need also to engage good MM to be fully operated.
Cheers
Drazen
Hi Carsch, give it one try this way( if you wish of course).
[reveal]
14
26 LW strategy to apply
14 When hit L stop and wait
32 one virtual W, after new trigger
24 bet again using if necesary the
29 next progression level
17 Progression Leveller 1/1, 2/2, 4/4
34 and stay on 4/4 until in plus,
18 when bank in plus reset to 1unit
18 Have your own target and stop lose.
30
35
9
14 312, bet 12, bet 1u (1/1)
1 w
24
0
19
22
29
8 231, bet 31
29 w
29
36
4
29
30
3
1
11
15
36 123, bet 23
35 w
26
9
5
26
22 132 , bet 32
4 L, stop wait virtual w
14
13
35
28
35
10
16 312, bet virtual 12
3 w virtual
7
32
2
18 312, bet 12, bet 2/2
21 w real
35
9 231, bet 31, bet 2/2
25 w now reset to 1/1 next game
15 132, bet 32, bet 1/1
35 w
34
22
21
6
23
10
30 213, bet 13, bet 1/1
27 w
33
24
21
19
15
14
19
29
34
28
13
16
14
27
1 231, bet 31
25 w
26
10
26
32
10
8
1
21
4
7
21
1
23
34 123, bet 23
29 w
19
18
33
20
1 321, bet 21
4 w
27
3
30
17 132, bet 32
5 L stop
5
32
19 132, bet virtual 32
31 w virtual
10 231, bet real 31, bet 2/2
35 w
8
15 312, bet 12, bet 2/2
11 w reset to 1unit
16
29 123, bet 23
20 w
5 321, bet 21
7 w
26
22 132, bet 32
10 L stop
2
35
20 132, bet virtual 32
24 w virt.
6
29 213, bet real 13, bet 2/2
7 w
11
2
5
3
30
18 132, bet 32
28 w reset to 1unit
26
23
3 321, bet 21
13 w
6
20
11
10
12
26
17 132, bet 32
3 L stop
31 213, bet virt. 13
30 w virt.
1
13 312, bet real 12, bet 2/2
35 L stop
20
22
3
14
12
23
27 123, bet virt. 23
29 w virt.
3
19 312, bet real 12, bet 4/4
20 w
7
18
27 123, bet 23, 4/4
25 w reset to 1 unit
6
31
24 132, bet 32
36 w
7
30......so on.....
10
1
31
[/reveal]
My bad again Carsch..
Draze could send the link for "Reduce bets with same probability", can't find it.
Quote from: amk on Jun 25, 07:06 PM 2012
My bad again Carsch..
Draze could send the link for "Reduce bets with same probability", can't find it.
There is perfectly nothing in that thread. It is just "guide mark" as i got it. In some threads ego perfectly clear explains how we can apply dozen strategy on EC bets. Look for it.
If still wont be clear PM me.
Cheers
Drazen
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 25, 05:22 PM 2012
Thanks for the read Carsch, I do like a good read!
To be honest, the only bit I really don't get is the above. "8u per 100 spins?"
I go to a casino in my car. I must have a bit of dosh to have a car. I have "£50 for the losing of" in my wallet, so that's expendable income. I sit at table one for 4 hours. I see 7 different croupiers.
For 8 U.
I don't get it.
Well, it was my assumption that the average win was 8u. per 100 spins...........but i found out that isn't truly the case. ;D ................but in my case, 8 units per 100 spins wouldn't be bad at all mostly if i have another slow system i could play toghether with this one..............if i'm using $25 chips.
Kattila, did i see "bet 31"? That's scary ;D
With a system like this one i'd wanna use large chips...............i couldn't see myself betting 31x $25 chips.........or i'd seat at that table forever trying to earn something for the day. :)
But i appreciate you sharing your idea. :)
Quote from: Kattila on Jun 25, 06:50 PM 2012
Hi Carsch, give it one try this way( if you wish of course).
[reveal]
14
26 LW strategy to apply
14 When hit L stop and wait
32 one virtual W, after new trigger
24 bet again using if necessary the
29 next progression level
17 Progression Leveller 1/1, 2/2, 4/4
34 and stay on 4/4 until in plus,
18 when bank in plus reset to 1unit
18 Have your own target and stop-loss.
30
35
9
14 312, bet 12, bet 1u (1/1)
1 w
24
0
19
22
29
8 231, bet 31
29 w
29
36
4
29
30
3
1
11
15
36 123, bet 23
35 w
26
9
5
26
22 132 , bet 32
4 L, stop wait virtual w
14
13
35
28
35
10
16 312, bet virtual 12
3 w virtual
7
32
2
18 312, bet 12, bet 2/2
21 w real
35
9 231, bet 31, bet 2/2
25 w now reset to 1/1 next game
15 132, bet 32, bet 1/1
35 w
34
22
21
6
23
10
30 213, bet 13, bet 1/1
27 w
33
24
21
19
15
14
19
29
34
28
13
16
14
27
1 231, bet 31
25 w
26
10
26
32
10
8
1
21
4
7
21
1
23
34 123, bet 23
29 w
19
18
33
20
1 321, bet 21
4 w
27
3
30
17 132, bet 32
5 L stop
5
32
19 132, bet virtual 32
31 w virtual
10 231, bet real 31, bet 2/2
35 w
8
15 312, bet 12, bet 2/2
11 w reset to 1unit
16
29 123, bet 23
20 w
5 321, bet 21
7 w
26
22 132, bet 32
10 L stop
2
35
20 132, bet virtual 32
24 w virt.
6
29 213, bet real 13, bet 2/2
7 w
11
2
5
3
30
18 132, bet 32
28 w reset to 1unit
26
23
3 321, bet 21
13 w
6
20
11
10
12
26
17 132, bet 32
3 L stop
31 213, bet virt. 13
30 w virt.
1
13 312, bet real 12, bet 2/2
35 L stop
20
22
3
14
12
23
27 123, bet virt. 23
29 w virt.
3
19 312, bet real 12, bet 4/4
20 w
7
18
27 123, bet 23, 4/4
25 w reset to 1 unit
6
31
24 132, bet 32
36 w
7
30......so on.....
10
1
31
[/reveal]
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jun 25, 06:21 PM 2012
I hijacked your post Carsch....sorry...back to topic!!!
Hijack my post, or me anytime, turnefect..............if you look like the girl on your avatar. ;D
Quote from: Carsch on Jun 26, 10:00 PM 2012
Kattila, did i see "bet 31"? That's scary ;D
With a system like this one i'd wanna use large chips...............i couldn't see myself betting 31x $25 chips.........or i'd seat at that table forever trying to earn something for the day. :)
But i appreciate you sharing your idea. :)
no.......bet 31 is bet dozen 3 and 1 ;D
max. bet was 4/4 on two dozens
Darn, i missed that............i'll look at your progression again. :)
Master of Pockets, would you mind testing this system again but this time after 2 diff DOZ (instead of 3 diff Doz)
So: After 2 different DOZ (or COL), bet that either one of the last 2 Dozens will repeat on the next spin (bet on last 2 Doz)
Ex: Doz1, Doz3, Doz1 (last 2 are diff from each other)
Bet on last two......that is, Doz3 & Doz1.
Another ex: Doz2, Doz2, Doz1, Doz3
We bet on Doz1 & Doz3
STOP after 2 losses in a row. Resume after a virtual win.
FLAT BETS only
Have studied thins exact same method carsch. It's great fun to play but needs careful MM as you will get runs of 4-5 losses even with the safety trigger.
It's as good as any other two dozen system out there. It how you handle the losses more than anything