I have run a 30 million single zero RNG test, 361 086 games (whenever a number repeats, a new session is started)
2 9799
3 19199
4 26712
5 33099
6 36817
7 38117
8 37424
9 34613
10 30241
11 25616
12 20579
13 15855
14 11481
15 8103
16 5429
17 3428
18 2057
19 1187
20 665
21 372
22 165
23 79
24 35
25 10
26 3
27 0
28 1
MEAN 8.308740854
MEDIAN 8
Max number of spins before a repeat is 28.
Here is another chart:
SPIN Theoretical Actual
2 2.702702703 2.713757941
3 5.405405405 5.465331766
4 8.108108108 8.04365108
5 10.81081081 10.83876925
6 13.51351351 13.52189131
7 16.21621622 16.18831224
8 18.91891892 18.96393589
9 21.62162162 21.64408232
10 24.32432432 24.13372065
11 27.02702703 26.94577394
12 29.72972973 29.63181615
13 32.43243243 32.4432167
14 35.13513514 34.77510223
15 37.83783784 37.62886598
16 40.54054054 40.42141315
17 43.24324324 42.83929018
18 45.94594595 44.97157849
19 48.64864865 47.15931665
20 51.35135135 50
21 54.05405405 55.93984962
22 56.75675676 56.31399317
23 59.45945946 61.71875
24 62.16216216 71.42857143
25 64.86486486 71.42857143
26 67.56756757 75
The left number is the spin number before a repeat. The least amount if 2 of course. The next number is the theoretical percentage of hits. The number after that is the actual based on my tests.
So for example first line:
SPIN Theoretical Actual
2 2.702702703 2.713757941
For spin 2 (betting 1 number, it will always be 1 less than the spin number) the theoretical percentage to hit the 1 number is 1/37 or 2.70% The actual one in the test is 2.71%. As you can see, the theoretical is very close to the percentage I got from the 30 million test.
What does that tell us? It tells us that there is no simple advantage to waiting and then betting. For example waiting for 10 unique numbers in a row, then betting for or against them.
I have been reading up on Dyksexlic's posts about this so called Pigeonhole Concept, and can not understand how he can beat every session.
In 30 million spins the max number of unique numbers was 28. This is the progression you would need for that situation in order to profit at any spin when a repeat happens:
SPIN BET/#
1
2 1
3 1
4 1
5 1
6 1
7 1
8 1
9 2
10 2
11 3
12 4
13 6
14 10
15 16
16 27
17 49
18 93
19 186
20 393
21 885
22 2124
23 5461
24 15123
25 45369
26 148480
27 534528
28 2138112
29 9621504
Must be something more to it, if in fact he was telling the truth. :thumbsup:
"""I have been reading up on Dyksexlic's posts about this so called Pigeonhole Concept, and can not understand how he can beat every session."""
Where did u remember him? LoL
This man was a joke.
2 9799
3 19199
4 26712
5 33099
6 36817
7 38117
8 37424
9 34613
that should be your attack zone: spin 6, 7 & 8.
Could try attack after 5 unique numbers with no repeats back to back.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: albertojonas on Jun 28, 08:27 AM 2012
2 9799
3 19199
4 26712
5 33099
6 36817
7 38117
8 37424
9 34613
that should be your attack zone: spin 6, 7 & 8.
Could try attack after 5 unique numbers with no repeats back to back.
:thumbsup:
5 33099
6 36817
7 38117
8 37424
9 34613
10 30241
This is a better zone. Should catch at least 80% of repeats here.
Be creative. :)
We do not need to use a strong progression every spin, if we wait for repeated hits.
I use a method, which always grind a profit. It can theoretical lose, but I think its so rare very few will see it.
It gives very little profit, but I had never been bust for years, Play it most on line as it is handy to repeat the bets with a button click. No time at a landbased casino to spread all the chips.
We just bet the number shown, next spin we re bet the previous with a mouse click and add the last number.
We go on until profit. Many numbers will repeat a few times, and you catch the first repeat.
If we are behind when about 25 numbers are in play, we have to decide if it is worth to continue, sometimes it can be a sleeper for hundreds of spin, and that means many repeat.
But we can decide its to risky, to gain a few, and maybe all numbers show in short time.
In more than half of the attempts we should have a moment there it is plus from last high.
In case of a play will not land on profit, we start all over with two chips, and if a third attempt is needed we take four, we use martingale progression, but bet flat in every round.
(been up to 16 an a rare occasion).
You will need a lot of chips in case of, I recommend 2000, witch can be a bankroll from 20 to 2000
USD/Euro/sterling.
I have never lost, and done much playing for years. This method add up slow.
It can of course fail, but I have never seen it.
interesting stuff,,, you might get some nice early wins also to help bulk up the bankroll
it won't work. in real life repeats will deviate a lot. Like there will be times when u get them after 2-3 spins often, and there will be times when u get them after 15 spins often as well. I mean u could win if u play sometimes once in a day or a few days for many years, but u won't realistically win significally with this in a short time (unless u r lucky of course). Roulette is very tricky with this stuff.
By short time i mean like a a few months or something like this.
and progressions won't help u in a long run either.
but u don't have just to trust me, run your own tests. Just don't try it with a serious real money, u will be disappointed.
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 12, 08:23 PM 2012
it won't work. in real life repeats will deviate a lot. Like there will be times when u get them after 2-3 spins often, and there will be times when u get them after 15 spins often as well. I mean You could win if u play sometimes once in a day or a few days for many years, but u won't realistically win significally with this in a short time (unless u r lucky of course). Roulette is very tricky with this stuff.
By short time i mean like a a few months or something like this.
and progressions won't help u in a long run either.
but u don't have just to trust me, run your own tests. Just don't try it with a serious real money, u will be disappointed.
I agree it can fail, the most hard it to decide if start again or go on. I have played it flat as well on Dublinet, and got good result. On pennies online I do progression.
Any system can fail, very easy to see, so it should not be needed to discuss, its just so. In the long run I do not play as I will be dead. If you cover all table you will not win, if you do not do it, you can loose every spin, that's the way it is.
I never count simulations, real play counts, and I have never got bust with this method, which do not mean I never will. Just before I answer here I decide to play it, and all went nice.
Everything else in life is not bulletproof either!
I recorded my playing att NoZero BV, but never got a bader run, so for illrustration, I did not stop, at profit and went on up to more than 25 numbers, which is the risky zon, you get plenty of repeters, but the gain is lower, and if the sleepers wake upp the loss is close.
Started with 100 bankroll which is in this case 1000 units.
Put one cent on LOW, to see the first number.(won it the reason the figures ends with one).
17
32
20
28
30
7
19
9
30 100.1 Break even
29
36
28 100.91 here should we stop, but as i did not got a bad run I went on .
34
16
18
1
26
13
17 95.41
4
13 95.71
35
30 95.81
12
7 95.81 (I am not sure of the figure here)
30 97.61
7 99.41
29 101.21 (Should end here)
28 103,01 (Should end, now Russian Roulette).
2
34 102.91 Still breaking rules
18 104.61
8
15
22
32 99.81 (back on mimus)
21
7 98.71
7 99.91
7 101.11
27
17 99.91 (back on minus, still breaking rules).
18 101.11
22 102.31
25
10
19 98.41
34 99.41
11
22 97.71
9 98.61
30 99.51
15 104.01
16 104.91 (Here should by all means be end, the danger zon is here)
23
22 103.01
3 (forgot to note)
6
26 103.01
32 99.31
28 101.11
13 102.91
19 104.71
2 106.51
Stopped here as more than 25 numbers plying, and on plus.
It is ussally time to stop here anyhow as the stakes cost to winning, and risk for sleepers shows.
All games are different, even if we test 10000000, it will still be more to test.
You can test in fun mode, to know how to take decissions, but the outcome there, will not be simular as in money play, all sessions are different
Quote from: LuckoftheIrish on Jun 28, 06:07 AM 2012
I have run a 30 million single zero RNG test, 361 086 games (whenever a number repeats, a new session is started)
2 9799
3 19199
4 26712
5 33099
6 36817
7 38117
8 37424
9 34613
10 30241
11 25616
12 20579
13 15855
14 11481
15 8103
16 5429
17 3428
18 2057
19 1187
20 665
21 372
22 165
23 79
24 35
25 10
26 3
27 0
28 1
MEAN 8.308740854
MEDIAN 8
Max number of spins before a repeat is 28.
Here is another chart:
SPIN Theoretical Actual
2 2.702702703 2.713757941
3 5.405405405 5.465331766
4 8.108108108 8.04365108
5 10.81081081 10.83876925
6 13.51351351 13.52189131
7 16.21621622 16.18831224
8 18.91891892 18.96393589
9 21.62162162 21.64408232
10 24.32432432 24.13372065
11 27.02702703 26.94577394
12 29.72972973 29.63181615
13 32.43243243 32.4432167
14 35.13513514 34.77510223
15 37.83783784 37.62886598
16 40.54054054 40.42141315
17 43.24324324 42.83929018
18 45.94594595 44.97157849
19 48.64864865 47.15931665
20 51.35135135 50
21 54.05405405 55.93984962
22 56.75675676 56.31399317
23 59.45945946 61.71875
24 62.16216216 71.42857143
25 64.86486486 71.42857143
26 67.56756757 75
The left number is the spin number before a repeat. The least amount if 2 of course. The next number is the theoretical percentage of hits. The number after that is the actual based on my tests.
So for example first line:
SPIN Theoretical Actual
2 2.702702703 2.713757941
For spin 2 (betting 1 number, it will always be 1 less than the spin number) the theoretical percentage to hit the 1 number is 1/37 or 2.70% The actual one in the test is 2.71%. As you can see, the theoretical is very close to the percentage I got from the 30 million test.
What does that tell us? It tells us that there is no simple advantage to waiting and then betting. For example waiting for 10 unique numbers in a row, then betting for or against them.
I have been reading up on Dyksexlic's posts about this so called Pigeonhole Concept, and can not understand how he can beat every session.
In 30 million spins the max number of unique numbers was 28. This is the progression you would need for that situation in order to profit at any spin when a repeat happens:
SPIN BET/#
1
2 1
3 1
4 1
5 1
6 1
7 1
8 1
9 2
10 2
11 3
12 4
13 6
14 10
15 16
16 27
17 49
18 93
19 186
20 393
21 885
22 2124
23 5461
24 15123
25 45369
26 148480
27 534528
28 2138112
29 9621504
Must be something more to it, if in fact he was telling the truth. :thumbsup:
Raymanz.
Luck of the Irish posted this way back.It shows uniques.
Now 12 unique shows 12 20579. In the bookies can bet for 9 spins before max bet, thatwould be 21 unique or i've won, or the unique after 12 which are not bet,repeat. At the moment i've only found 2 losses.
Jackpot joy is going along nicely,but early days. Look at celsclifes numbers just posted in grassroots.
Surely your unique 12 takes advantage of this notto
Been a while
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 20, 01:28 PM 2022
Been a while
notto,
Has your system finally worked and you became richer overnight ?
Bleat-ter
Why would I tell a sarcastic shit like you
Quote from: nottophammer on Jan 21, 10:06 AM 2022
Bleat-ter
Why would I tell a sarcastic shit like you
Sick man !
Why you not able to answer politely ?
It’s actually expected from a psychopathic man like you !
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jun 28, 06:26 AM 2012
"""I have been reading up on Dyksexlic's posts about this so called Pigeonhole Concept, and can not understand how he can beat every session."""
Where did u remember him? LoL
This man was a joke.
Bleat---ter Master of pockets would say that about you, JOKE