Very simple system,1500 placed bets not even close to 9 losses in a row ony 6 ,wait for 4 unique lines and bet on the last three if you lose stay on the bet until a win,on a win re evaluate the last 4 ,if all unique bet again if not wait,progression pick your own ,but 1500 for me is nothing need more testing so far i still have 9 lives baby,if anyone wants to help with testing i appreciate it i no how time consuming it is ,but this one is different it wins more then it loses :thumbsup:
"""but 1500 for me is nothing need more testing so far i still have 9 lives baby,if anyone wants to help with testing i appreciate it i no how time consuming it is ,but this one is different it wins more then it loses"""
warrior u said your self that 1500 is nothing and that it needs more testing....
So how can you say at the same time that it wins more than it s losing?
I think its better making those kind of claims if the test sample is a LOT bigger :thumbsup:
I will help u in testing if I have the time
thanks
There is a reason why i think this can work, not all 6 lines show every time,they repeat the magority of the time thats why the 4 unique is important .
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 05, 08:41 PM 2012
"""but 1500 for me is nothing need more testing so far i still have 9 lives baby,if anyone wants to help with testing i appreciate it i no how time consuming it is ,but this one is different it wins more then it loses"""
warrior u said your self that 1500 is nothing and that it needs more testing....
So how can you say at the same time that it wins more than it s losing?
I think its better making those kind of claims if the test sample is a LOT bigger :thumbsup:
I will help u in testing if I have the time
thanks
Ifeel it man,there are countless of combos when playing with line as apposed to the 6 even money that the layout provide,but your testing is apprecieted .
To be honest i don't care if this loses long term ,what ever profit i make in the amount of time I'm in the casino,as long as i walk out with even a little i don't care ,i win when i leave with there money and happy to break even.
1st I need to ask a question. Then when I get the answer I have a question on the system(of how to play it properly)
You say that """not all 6 lines show every time,they repeat the magority of the time that's why the 4 unique is important ."""
So who tells us that the 4th line will not repeat???
So why are we leaving it OUT of the bet? why don't we leave out of the bet the last line for example? :)
Quote from: warrior on Jul 05, 08:53 PM 2012
To be honest i don't care if this loses long term ,what ever profit i make in the amount of time I'm in the casino,as long as i walk out with even a little i don't care ,i win when i leave with there money and happy to break even.
Winning in the long run and ""what ever profit i make in the amount of time I'm in the casino,as long as i walk out with even a little i don't care""" is the exact same thing...****
If You can t win in the long run , then u will not be able to make a profit in the amount of time that You are in the casino and walk out even with the little in every visit.******
I hope u will understand this one day.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 05, 08:53 PM 2012
1st I need to ask a question. Then when I get the answer I have a question on the system(of how to play it properly)
You say that """not all 6 lines show every time,they repeat the magority of the time that's why the 4 unique is important ."""
So who tells us that the 4th line will not repeat???
No it will repeat ,but not all 6, so if theres 4 unique that leaves 2 more to lose to and of coarse the 4th line but thats why i stay on the first 3 instead of switching like in Viles bet selection but i lke the different combos and not just black or red and i no its 18 numbers is 18 numbers ,but thats why i want see if this way behaves like the other even bets ,if it does forgetabodid.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 05, 08:57 PM 2012
Winning in the long run and ""what ever profit i make in the amount of time I'm in the casino,as long as i walk out with even a little i don't care""" is the exact same thing...
****If You can t win in the long run , then u will not be able to make a profit in the amount of time that You are in the casino and walk out even with the little in every visit.******
I hope u will understand this one day.
The long run for me mop is right now thats all i have.
Ok now the question about the play....
"""wait for 4 unique lines and bet on the last three if you lose stay on the bet until a win,on a win re evaluate the last 4 ,if all unique bet again if not wait,""""
1)So if i play the 1st spin and I win ,I continue with the same bet and I continue betting the same.... then IF I lose , I continue to the SAME bet until I will have 1 win .? Correct?
2)Then after my 1st win (after a loss) I look to see IF there aare still 4 unique lines....if I see that there are indeed 4 unique, DO I BET AGAIN THE 3 LAST LINES?
EDIT
"""The long run for me mop is right"""
Ok I am happy that u know the correct thing.
ex 1234 bet on234 win stop betting see if the last 4 are unique then bet the last 3 again
ex 1234 bet 234 4 wins now the last 4 are not unique so we wait for a change .
ex.1234 bet 234 5 lose bet 234 6 lose bet 234 3 win ,no bet because 3 is a repeat and thes are not unique always stop on a win,and continue on a loss.
,
ok now clear
I am testing now and I will post the results ....
Can u tell us what was the result of ur 1500 bets flat betting?
73 bets = + 6 chips
max loss in a row = 8
what I saw in my very early testing , the loss bet part(continue bet the same until a win) isn t doing much because the losses were comming in a row....the win part was making gains.
hey warrior, thats the same as in the 3-line topic where i responded in
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9772.msg84539#new (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9772.msg84539#new)
after a loss i waited for 3 new uniques and then bet with a marti.
i also did the test in 10000 real spins *.txt from iggiv and there was
the bet at some point 256 units (x3 for each line)
so this is possible but you need a big BR
I apologize wiyh Warrior because I' m telling always the same"_ALREADY TESTED BY ME A FEW YEARS AGO!"
It doesn't work.
Do you really think that the last four outcomes can influence the next spin(s)?
I've tried all systems on lines.
The best one with a statistical basis was:after four different lines in the last four spins,I bet that in the next five spins,at least ONE of the lines missing will hit.(law of periodicity of lines outcomes)
So after 4 different lines you have to play for 5 spins,progression 1,1,2,3,4 on the 2 missing lines.
This system resisted almost 8000 spins,then I lose all my bkr and the previou wins.
Even the law of periodicity of outcomes has its big exceptions that kill you!
All similar systems must be tested(if flat bet) at least 50 000 spins,(if progressions) at least 500000 spins.
I used to test everything on 1 million spins for well understanding stability,deviation,balance etc
1500 spins you mention are a joke!
Hola Beretta
I wonder how u came up with 50000 or 500000 spins figure?. Warrior knows of course that 1.5k is not enough. Its just one of many ideas right now on d forum. And about consecutive losses betting on 3 unique lines - i saw 11. And i was betting this game with 1,2,4,8 Marty. Luckily i started after 8 L's thinking that it was a sure thing n won on a last bet. ;D I guess sometimes u never learn. 6 or 7 L's happen quite often. 1up n 1down progression can keep u in d game but u never know when such a streak might come. 2 streaks in a short succession will wipe u out.
Regards
Robeenhuut
I'm afraid you have big experience in roulette,but poor knowledge in math.
With flat bet,even with a very positive deviation in your favour,at 25000 spins you lose(Zero tax).
It's a simple calculation that you can make youself or if you are not able to do it, you find in any serious book dealing with roulette.
See for example:Marcel Boll -La roulette (20â,¬).
I consider 50 thousands spins,because I want to check a STD very rare,exceptional but that a gambler out of 1000 can ,may be, see.
With progesssion is more complicated the calculation,because it depends on the type of progression(very risky,strong or very soft).
At 500000 spins whatever is the progression,no hope.But a system with progression could be tested at 1000000 spins in order to be sure about conclusions.
I have seen systems that resist at 50000 spins(flat bet) or 500000 spins(progressions) but they are not playable(huge bkr,big negative balance,max bet of the table...)
Quote from: warrior on Jul 05, 08:45 PM 2012
There is a reason why i think this can work, not all 6 lines show every time,they repeat the magority of the time that's why the 4 unique is important .
--Have posted something similar the other day Warrior,and am well acquaint with the bet,was working
on it for long until it didn't hit 10 and 11 times losing in the row...can go for months,year but the devil will strike....
--this bet is much safer and profitable flat bet,w/l retrack new 4 unique lines.....in the rolling fashion
could explode
Quote from: vile on Jul 06, 06:05 AM 2012
--Have posted something similar the other day Warrior,and am well acquaint with the bet,was working
on it for long until it didn't hit 10 and 11 times losing in the row...can go for months,year but the devil will strike....
--this bet is much safer and profitable flat bet,w/l retrack new 4 unique lines.....in the rolling fashion
could explode
Vile so you have seen 10 11 in a row playing the way i postsed the system?
he saw it afterwards...because he never test enough. LoL
if a system win in 300 spins its the holy moly for him
and if someone is makinf tests in more than 300 spins ,then this person isn t playing roulette for real.
and 18.000 spins for him is zillion spins!
Quote from: beretta28 on Jul 06, 02:03 AM 2012
I apologize wiyh Warrior because I' m telling always the same"_ALREADY TESTED BY ME A FEW YEARS AGO!"
It doesn't work.
Do you really think that the last four outcomes can influence the next spin(s)?
I've tried all systems on lines.
The best one with a statistical basis was:after four different lines in the last four spins,I bet that in the next five spins,at least ONE of the lines missing will hit.(law of periodicity of lines outcomes)
So after 4 different lines you have to play for 5 spins,progression 1,1,2,3,4 on the 2 missing lines.
This system resisted almost 8000 spins,then I lose all my bkr and the previou wins.
Even the law of periodicity of outcomes has its big exceptions that kill you!
All similar systems must be tested(if flat bet) at least 50 000 spins,(if progressions) at least 500000 spins.
I used to test everything on 1 million spins for well understanding stability,deviation,balance etc
1500 spins you mention are a joke!
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First of its 1500 bets placed not spins, to test something for 50000 is useless ,flat betting in a negative exp.game hmmm,and i also have tested systems on lines and they hold up and then fail this is not new for me after 10 years, like i said to mop long term for me means RIGHT NOW, ihave lots of controll over my self i no what this game can do and I'm very carefull ,i no when to leave and i never have lost thousands over this game,but its better than a slot machine :twisted: im not in roulette to make a living.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 06, 08:35 AM 2012
Vile so you have seen 10 11 in a row playing the way i postsed the system?
Yes Warrior.And to you barking mop....wau.wau.don't mention
my name any more as wasn't talking to you..... as enough is enough.
You better get this message to your head for ever.
Vile when your bets lose in roulette do you react, if no then do not react to mop, you give him power every time you do, mop leave the old guy alone :)
Anyways back to this bet selection, im at 2000 placed bets not spins ,the longest 6 in a row .
I am just wandering if he will ever learn :)
I just want to alter the phrase "You can t teach an old dog new tricks" to "You CAN teach on old dog new tricks" O0
warrior I told u that i faced a session with 8 losses in a row
I am also reminding you that if a bet selection can t win flat betting , then it can t with progression too
Hola Warrior
R u serious? U did not see more than 6 losses in a row?. Let me get this straight. U bet on 3 unique lines after 4 unique lines hit n after loss u bet on a new set of 3 unique lines? I do not remember correctly but it happened in 2nd or 3rd set of my 185 spins sets from SMLive live wheel.
And 11 losses i saw myself short time ago. Anyway besides that i do not see anything wrong with that. ;D U can recover from 6 losses using progression, playing flat not much risk.
Regards
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 06, 09:40 AM 2012
Hola Warrior
R u serious? U did not see more than 6 losses in a row?. Let me get this straight. U bet on 3 unique lines after 4 unique lines hit n after loss u bet on a new set of 3 unique lines? I do not remember correctly but it happened in 2nd or 3rd set of my 185 spins sets from SMLive live wheel.
And 11 losses i saw myself short time ago. Anyway besides that i do not see anything wrong with that. ;D You can recover from 6 losses using progression, playing flat not much risk.
Regards
No Rrob 4 unique line bet on the last 3 if you lose stay on those 3,only when you win re evaluate the last 4 if there unique bet the last 3.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 06, 09:17 AM 2012
I am just wandering if he will ever learn :)
I just want to alter the phrase "You can t teach an old dog new tricks" to "You CAN teach on old dog new tricks" O0
warrior I told u that i faced a session with 8 losses in a row
I am also reminding you that if a bet selection can t win flat betting , then it can t with progression too
8 but not 9 lives,take 2 away from those 8 its only 6 in a row hint hint.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 06, 09:51 AM 2012
No Rrob 4 unique line bet on the last 3 if you lose stay on those 3,only when you win re evaluate the last 4 if there unique bet the last 3.
Sorry Warrior then :D I did not read rules properly. Mea culpa. I thought that they were rolling lines.
Mop there is no need for a reminder ,if i bet 2 dozen and i get payed 1 unit thats not fair i should get 2 units ,since im laying 2 ,if i bet red i should get payed 2.7 more there are 37 numbers ,so what im saying is that ,flat bet wont work and progression dont work,i no this already the game is not fair and so was the mob ,i make more on roulette then a slot , im not trying to get rich ,thats an illusione,i take a little at a time ,it will add up.so please no more lectures on flat bet vs progression vs 1 million spin ,your results are not my results,the testing really means nothing,we will get different results playing the same systems ,that will never change ,but lets get back to the bet.
Quote from: warrior on Jul 06, 10:35 AM 2012
Mop there is no need for a reminder ,if i bet 2 dozen and i get payed 1 unit that's not fair i should get 2 units ,since I'm laying 2 ,if i bet red i should get payed 2.7 more there are 37 numbers ,so what I'm saying is that ,flat bet won't work and progression don't work,i no this already the game is not fair and so was the mob ,i make more on roulette then a slot , I'm not trying to get rich ,that's an illusione,i take a little at a time ,it will add up.so please no more lectures on flat bet vs progression vs 1 million spin ,your results are not my results,the testing really means nothing,we will get different results playing the same systems ,that will never change ,but lets get back to the bet.
"""Mop there is no need for a reminder ,if i bet 2 dozen and i get payed 1 unit that's not fair i should get 2 units ,since I'm laying 2 ,if i bet red i should get payed 2.7 more there are 37 numbers ,so what I'm saying is that ,flat bet won't work and progression don't work,i no this already the game is not fair and so was the mob"""""Good"""I'm not trying to get rich ,that's an illusione,i take a little at a time ,it will add up."""But if You are able with a system to take a little at a time then this means that you will get rich eventually.""""the testing really means nothing,we will get different results playing the same systems ,that will never change"""""
The testing really means EVERYTHING!
If we get different results testing/playing a system then this means that it will lose eventually either playing continuously either hit and run (its the same thing).
So the point is to have a system (if it exists) that will show the same winning results...if this will happen then with this system u will be able to win little at a time or a lot at a time or continuously or hit and run
Lecture is over as I can stand saying the same things over and over again.Ps. Take berreta s advice and stop searching fora winning system on the lines with the concept that u do...its a loss of time
I dont need barrettas advice ,i have my own,i been at for a while,to answer your ? on getting rich when the casinos give me interest on the money i won from them then and only then i will be rich on there money ,testing only gives you an idea on how to play the bet , 1 million spins and the bet wins means nothing it is not realistic,i get bored after 1 hour at the casino,its because of the knowledge i have of the game ,testing my friend is great for only one thing, SO YOU DONT GAMBLE the best thearpy any gambler can have ,so trust me im not looking for a miracle bet thats an illusion i like the game, i have only one bet that can win every spin but you need BIG BALLS TO DO IT thats all im going to say.
Now back to the bet god dam it :lol:
If u will ever understand the perpose of the 1 M spins testing , then u will understand that it has NOTHING to do with how many spins u are gonna play in the Casino on each visit.
Period.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 06, 11:39 AM 2012
If u will ever understand the perpose of the 1 M spins testing , then u will understand that it has NOTHING to do with how many spins You are gonna play in the Casino on each visit.
Period.
MOP LET IT GO,
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 06, 11:42 AM 2012
Sure...u already mention that u like gambling...so nothing more to say.
Look im not arguing with you and have no intetions of giving you my energy ,so go and soak up those greek ray of sunshine ,and eat a gyro all the best greek boy.
read my signature
:xd:
warrior,
MOP is perfectly right and is trying to put you on the good way.
But if your goal is to have fun at a roulette table and you are ready to pay for spending a few hours for enjoying yourself(like a vacation,a theater,a girlfriend) then OK go ahead and try to find the method that in your opinion lose as less as possible,or even better,in the first 500 spins make you win.
In any case at the end you will lose 2,7% or 1,35% of the total amount of money/bets you have put on the table.
My goal and you'll be surprised,is to enter a casino for earning money.I'm a strange guy,I Know!
Quote from: warrior on Jul 06, 11:06 AM 2012
i have only one bet that can win every spin but you need BIG BALLS TO DO IT that's all I'm going to say.
I'm interested in this very much, and yes, I have big balls :D :D
Is that the one where you win 19 units each spin? You mentioned it some time ago so thats why I ask?
Well after 3000 placed bets i can honestly say that this is playable,longest losing run7, hit on 8,waiting for 2 losses and bet bet fo 6 spins is how i would play,i think its a good bet,thats why the name 9 lives ,did not lose 9 in a row,will it lose one day probably but hopefully im not there to see it.
Ok bit off topic but its still about lines. I tested one system based on repeats among lines. If 2 lines hit in a row u bet 4 another repeat with 21 steps progression. U risk 130+ units 2 win 4+ units. In other words strike ratio of around 30 to 1 will break u even. So f u see something like this 1,2,3,4,4 u bet 4 4th line 2 repeat again n so on. I tested almost 20k spins in this fashion on live spins data n my score was 370+/1. Just 1 LOSS in 370+ games. This begs a question. Would u play this system 4 real or would u expect a negative fluctuation bringing u bk gradually toward break even level? I think its d lesson why we need much more testing especially 4 systems with long progression.