I just wanted to test a new method I had on BV Fun Mode. I waited for my first trigger after several spins and placed my bet on the selected street #5 which includes numbers 13, 14, 15. It hit directly on street 5 number 13. I thought that is interesting. Then I removed my chips from the table. Then number 13 hit again. Interesting. Next spin number 13 again.
This is ofcourse randomly possible. The chances that it happens on the second time I test a method on BV is huge. Can I be so lucky? Second time I ever step to the BV Fun Mode table and 13 lands 3 times?
I just played the next spin. Number 10, connects to number 13 in street 4.
What are your opinions. Logic would say that this was just completely random. I had to be very lucky to have that happen or is BV encouraging me, which is also what logic says :)
The most that a single number repeats in 1 million spins is 4 times. Hitting number 10, a number connecting to number 13 in the next spin is the closest you can get to a number landing 4 times without actually hitting hit. There are actually two more numbers but they are just as close.
Here I go again.........
I ran the Super-Roulette robot for hundreds of thousands of spins in fun mode on BV. I can guarantee you, it will beat you in fun mode as well as real Euros. They never have a pop-up asking you to switch to real. Well, not for me anyway---American.
And I have also seen three numbers in a row many time. I've watched that bot run for hours on end and I've just about seen it all.
Sam
I agree TwoCat,
It just struck me as odd as it was only the second time I tested on BV Fun Mode. If I run thousands of spins ofcourse I will see it. But so soon, on my first bet? Second method tested, first game.
Thought it would be fun to post.
My BV fun-mode was showing over 30000 Euro, it was that this morning, lowest during the day 3456 Euro, and no up to 31034 Euro. Roulette can have swing, and of course in fun-mod, you can play different, unless your stomach is of steel.
In real mod it´s lower, partly because I withdraw there, which I never do in fun mod 8)
If you guys aren't sick of me, read on..............
I am currently using a robot to test an idea on BV. It--so far--wins nicely. I will run it for tens of thousands of spins and see if it holds up. If it does, and then won't in real-money play, I'm done with BV. And probably all RNGs.
TCS
I'll be interested to hear of your conclusions.
Being TRNG Betvoyager should be no different to a real wheel.
The fact that I find it much easier to win with play money is probably down to the different psychology involved BUT I can't get away from the feeling that there is something else at play.
Whatever it is my records show that I would be considerably richer if play money was real!
Trebor
QuoteThe fact that I find it much easier to win with play money is probably down to the different psychology involved
Smart comment Robert, there is no notable difference Sam, most probably what happens is that real play is a tighter version of random, by that I mean the bad runs are more noticable and appear more often BUT over zillions of spins the lengths/durations etc will be the same, methods just appear to fail quicker depending on what you are playing.
As I have posted long ago, I ran a test/method against play money for 6 days (overnight) it went well until day 7 when it hit the table limit, I then ran the same test against real money mode, it ran for 3 or 4 nights before it bombed BUT I ran it again and it went for 8 days (overnight) before bombing!
Maybe hit n run :twisted: would have lasted longer LOL, but not my style
@robert just put 1000 euro in and see what happen maybe you get rich... :-\
Superman
Not minutes after reading your post, my chart dipped to -$192. The normal drop has been around $20 to $40 and sometimes $60.
So, ask they say, back to the ol' drawing board.
By the way, who are "they"? They're everywhere!
Sam
Quote from: maestro on Jul 14, 07:15 PM 2012
@robert just put 1000 euro in and see what happen maybe you get rich... :-\
Don't think I haven't thought about it. Not enough of a gambler to do so.
Trebor
oh well maybe one day... :thumbsup:
I trully believe BVNZ to be corrupt
The amount of times I have played there with a System and started of good and then 2 or 3 days later, depending how much I play BV starts to win again
You may say "hey thats just random catching you up"
BUT I say,
I ALWAYS happens that way. I ALWAYS win at the start and then get sent strings of numbers that will break the System
Also I do belive the checksum is correct. They dont change the numbers mid flight they change them before they are sent, based on ure previous betting and break you assumin you continue with the same System.
Finally, I think, its best to set the numbers to break at 60 spins (setting up by checksum) and play a random rotating Systems every new 60 number block
Just my opinion, ure mileage my vary.
I can not see any difference, but it is very hard to check, without a grand sample.
I win and lose more in fun mode, but I consider it is the way of playing, you do not have the same reason to chicken out in fun mode. Very few times it is 500 euro on the table in real mode, in fun mode I sometimes want to see, IFa system can recover.
The feeling they play against you, is easy to get during a heavy progression, as you rise the stake, just because it is not going your way.
There is always number not bet an the table, and they come as well, then they come in cluster, the losing streak is just there, and if the cluster is to our favor, we sometimes bet low and flat.
Let the bet ride then everthing goes well, and flat bet when the wheel work against you.
I play BV all the time. I'm of the opinion that I lose in play as much as I do in real.
What can be proven??
Sam
Nothing can be proven, ever. Its just a matter of perspective
I know I ALWAYS win at the start of a System BVNZ does not know. ALWAYS.
Then over time it learns, in my opinion, ure Triggers and then sends you strings of numbers to break you
I cant prove it but it happens every time just like that. So Im convinced
Also why limit the string of numbers by default to 10 ? And why limit the Max String of numbers to 60 and say not 6000 ??
IMO its because of their Checksum. They know as soon as those predetermined numbers are sent to you they can not change them due to the said Checksum. So it doesnt want to get into a long fight with you as it wont be able to adapt and beat you.
Like I say just my opinion.
As for getting the same results in play compared to Real, of course you will. Why wudnt you ??
If it were so noticably different then the Cat wud deffo be out the Bag !
It has to be the same, so the reaction is, "ah but fun play is the same"
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 21, 09:46 AM 2012
Nothing can be proven, ever. Its just a matter of perspective
I know I ALWAYS win at the start of a System BVNZ does not know. ALWAYS.
Then over time it learns, in my opinion, your Triggers and then sends you strings of numbers to break you
I can't prove it but it happens every time just like that. So I'm convinced
Also why limit the string of numbers by default to 10 ? And why limit the Max String of numbers to 60 and say not 6000 ??
in my opinion its because of their Checksum. They know as soon as those predetermined numbers are sent to you they can not change them due to the said Checksum. So it doesn't want to get into a long fight with you as it won't be able to adapt and beat you.
Like I say just my opinion.
As for getting the same results in play compared to Real, of course you will. Why wouldn't you ??
If it were so noticably different then the Cat would deffo be out the Bag !
It has to be the same, so the reaction is, "ah but fun play is the same"
So why if you are in doubt you dont choose other casino? House advantage?
If its a problem as to giving 10% your earnings back? I put up too long with PP slingshot
before i changed it :D
Quote from: Robeenhuut on Jul 21, 10:33 AM 2012
So why if you are in doubt you don't choose other casino? House advantage?
If its a problem as to giving 10% your earnings back? I put up too long with PP slingshot
before i changed it :D
I have.
I now play at PaddyPower and until I was banned W@nkerhill
I wont ever go back to BVNZ
And payin 10% of ure winnings is better than playin against the House Edge. Bayes, a year or so ago, did the Math and showed us all that 10% on winnings was better.
What did you find wrong with PP slingshot ?
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 21, 10:43 AM 2012
What did you find wrong with PP slingshot ?
Generally i admit i have a slow connection where i live so 0.1 slingshot was too fast for me.
Lots of unaccepted bets were not refunded. I was using VPN that additionally slowed my connection because i live in restricted territories. ;D And Bayes might be right but its still 10%.
My experience is similar Twister.
I also find that when I test with pennies I'm winning. The I think to myself "this seems OK I'll go for 10p". That is virtually always the point at which I start losing. Out of interest I have varied the number of testing sessions but it still happens.
I know people will say coincidence and I agree it might well be so, but this is such a regular pattern.
The only thing is though, BV claim the number strings are generated by an independent hardware type of device so if they are sending doctored numbers they would have to be lying about that.
I've started chopping and changing to see if I do better.
Trebor
Quote from: trebor on Jul 21, 11:11 AM 2012
My experience is similar Twister.
I also find that when I test with pennies I'm winning. The I think to myself "this seems OK I'll go for 10p". That is virtually always the point at which I start losing. Out of interest I have varied the number of testing sessions but it still happens.
I know people will say coincidence and I agree it might well be so, but this is such a regular pattern.
The only thing is though, BV claim the number strings are generated by an independent hardware type of device so if they are sending doctored numbers they would have to be lying about that.
I've started chopping and changing to see if I do better.
Trebor
If you start lose after shifting from 1 cent to 10 cent, you lose 10x just due to the value of the chips.
I have done a misstake to underestimate the chip value, I had a bankroll for it, but a long progression from 1 cent or from 10 makes a big difference.
I wrote in this post:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9858.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9858.0)
It can be total other play if the chips are tenfold value. Table limit bankroll and so on.
What I'm saying is that when I increase stakes that's always when the numbers I need just don't hit.
It's not that I was losing before.
Trebor
Twister
I'm not at all familiar with the 10 numbers or 60 numbers you speak of. But let me ask you this: Do you believe 10 numbers are "set in stone" and BV cannot change them until they are delivered to you?
If the answer is yes, can you determine when those numbers start?
If the answer to that is yes, why couldn't you bet one system on spin one and then switch. Keep track and switch back and forth.
While they're tying to beat you on one system, you will be winning on another.
I'd really like to learn more about these numbers and how they are delivered. Any time typing would be greatly appreciated.
Sam
Quote from: trebor on Jul 21, 11:43 AM 2012
What I'm saying is that when I increase stakes that's always when the numbers I need just don't hit.
It's not that I was losing before.
Trebor
Trebor
Do you raise the stakes in the middle of the game? Are you at the end of a phase? I've seen folks do that a lot. They win on a trend for a while and then, about the time the trend ends, they'll raise their bet and get wiped out. I'm one of those folks!!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 21, 11:47 AM 2012
Twister
I'm not at all familiar with the 10 numbers or 60 numbers you speak of. But let me ask you this: Do you believe 10 numbers are "set in stone" and BV cannot change them until they are delivered to you?
If the answer is yes, can you determine when those numbers start?
If the answer to that is yes, why couldn't you bet one system on spin one and then switch. Keep track and switch back and forth.
While they're tying to beat you on one system, you will be winning on another.
I'd really like to learn more about these numbers and how they are delivered. Any time typing would be greatly appreciated.
Sam
Sam
If you open the BVNZ Casino window, up the top, is a drop down. You will see its default number is 10
That means that the next block of 10 numbers are predtermind and cannot be changed due to the checksum
You can change this number up to a Maximum of 60
So the next 60 numbers you get "are set in stone" and cannot be changed
The numbers start from when you hit the spin button
Twister
That is very good information. Thank you!
Sam
Sam
I forgot to add make sure you click 'new' its the button to the right, watch the checksum change
then you know you have 60 snow perfect numbers
Sam,
I've a depressing idea that you may be right. But I seem to have and uncanny knack of increasing stakes at just the worst possible time. If only I could turn that to my advantage.
Deep down I think I don't trust BV. Right or wrong that's enough to take the fun out of it.
Trebor
Robert
You know ure right, dont you ?
All the times uve played with 1c and won and then up it to 5c and 10c and the odd 50c and then it goes Pear
EVERY TIME !
You are right. In our Hearts we know it, like you say.
There will be those who say we are sore losers or the like but if the truth be told I dont mind losin on a Real Wheel coz I know it was REAL !
Anyway, whoever is right it cant be proved. Period.
Quote from: trebor on Jul 21, 01:08 PM 2012
Sam,
I've a depressing idea that you may be right. But I seem to have and uncanny knack of increasing stakes at just the worst possible time. If only I could turn that to my advantage.
Deep down I think I don't trust BV. Right or wrong that's enough to take the fun out of it.
Trebor
When in doubt just stay out.... ;D
hi twister nice to see you arround..........yes i know that feeling by hart..i play bvnz// not fun money// for 3 years and even i am up 4000 euro still think that is something going on...as soon as you up chips and gets tricky...that is mi thought anyway :thumbsup:
So let me ol' noggin get a couple things straight.............
You could get sixty pure numbers. Why not keep track and quit just before sixty and play a different system?
Twister
Is it your opinion that BV takes the time to decipher your system to beat you in play money? That's a bit far-fetched, isn't it?
Why would they do that? They should want you to win going away in fun and then switch to real and lose. If your system loses in play, why would you ever go to real?
People at Riverwind (Roulette Evolution RNG) swear it's rigged, but I played "Green on the Screen" with my wife and we both won. It was just like in 2007 at Vegas Red online. We usually win or break even.
I am keeping an eye on my system, playing it at BV and RW to see if there is a great variance. Testing RNG live vs RNG online.
Sam
sam if you wanna test something test it in real mode real money..there is not point test it in fun means nothing :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 21, 01:59 PM 2012
So let me ol' noggin get a couple things straight.............
You could get sixty pure numbers. Why not keep track and quit just before sixty and play a different system?
That is most likely the best way to play at BVNZ mate
Twister
Is it your opinion that BV takes the time to decipher your system to beat you in play money? That's a bit far-fetched, isn't it?
No, I never said that. I said the results in play mode will be the same as in real, otherwise it would smell of fish
It works out ure System everytime you play it. Then works out ure remaining BR and then sends you a string of numbers that break you. Again, my opinion.
Why would they do that? They should want you to win going away in fun and then switch to real and lose. If your system loses in play, why would you ever go to real?
Thats it. Why would you ever !? True dat.
People at Riverwind (Roulette Evolution RNG) swear it's rigged, but I played "Green on the Screen" with my wife and we both won. It was just like in 2007 at Vegas Red online. We usually win or break even.
I am keeping an eye on my system, playing it at BV and RW to see if there is a great variance. Testing RNG live vs RNG online.
Sam
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 21, 01:14 PM 2012
Robert
You know your right, don't you ?
All the times uve played with 1c and won and then up it to 5c and 10c and the odd 50c and then it goes Pear
EVERY TIME !
You are right. In our Hearts we know it, like you say.
There will be those who say we are sore losers or the like but if the truth be told I don't mind losing on a Real Wheel because I know it was REAL !
Anyway, whoever is right it can't be proved. Period.
Spot on Twister! I've won and lost plenty on Dublinbet and others but never had the feeling somethings not right.
Trebor
Quote from: maestro on Jul 21, 02:09 PM 2012
sam if you wanna test something test it in real mode real money..there is not point test it in fun means nothing :thumbsup:
I say, Ol' Bean.......I play for real every day. Just won 3 Euro playing Back-a-rat.
Sam
Quote from: amk on Jul 08, 07:07 PM 2012
I just wanted to test a new method I had on BV Fun Mode. I waited for my first trigger after several spins and placed my bet on the selected street #5 which includes numbers 13, 14, 15. It hit directly on street 5 number 13. I thought that is interesting. Then I removed my chips from the table. Then number 13 hit again. Interesting. Next spin number 13 again.
This is ofcourse randomly possible. The chances that it happens on the second time I test a method on BV is huge. Can I be so lucky? Second time I ever step to the BV Fun Mode table and 13 lands 3 times?
I just played the next spin. Number 10, connects to number 13 in street 4.
What are your opinions. Logic would say that this was just completely random. I had to be very lucky to have that happen or is BV encouraging me, which is also what logic says :)
The most that a single number repeats in 1 million spins is 4 times. Hitting number 10, a number connecting to number 13 in the next spin is the closest you can get to a number landing 4 times without actually hitting hit. There are actually two more numbers but they are just as close.
Is BV playtech?
QuoteIs BV playtech?
Nope, they roll their own
Quote from: superman on Jul 21, 04:46 PM 2012
Nope, they roll their own
I wonder why. Many onlines use the Playtech tag as a way of "putting your mind at rest" so to speak.
Having said that....I exorcised 2 demons that haunted me.
I played playteck software rng for 2 hours by clicking numbers, but entering them into RX and bet selecting in RX. jesus....you would reall believe that they knew what bets I had made.
Things like betting on 22 for ages...then giving up on it. Next number out?...you guessed it, 22.
Now had I been playing real I would have been convinced the casino did it on purpose.
2nd demon....Blackjack. Me and my son sat in the garden on a sunny day with 2 decks and played BJ for 2 hours. some of the dirty dealing tricks the dealer made...like I had 20, my son (dealer) had 4. He deals 2,3,5,7. 21??
Now in a casino....I think thats bent.
It happened like that all day.
QuoteThings like betting on 22 for ages...then giving up on it. Next number out?...you guessed it, 22.
You would be alarmed by doing the same thing on RX (although, if there's no money at stake you WILL play differently) I have done many many many bot runs on Playtech (play mode & real money mode), BV ER (play mode & real money mode), BV NZ (play mode & real money mode) and internal random functions form major languages, C++, PHP, Basic and the good old windows clock, the same happenings happen on ALL of them, however, this may just be a mental imprint but, on some platforms things happen slowely, by that I think I mean, the AGAINST runs don't happen for a while then you get relaxed and sucked in, but other platforms can produce kill off against runs in rapid procession and then smooth out, and it happens in real money mode too.
As over time we have tried to spot the difference between RNG and human fed live wheels, NOBODY got enough correct 'guesses' for it to convince anyone there actually is a difference
Quote2nd demon....Blackjack. Me and my son sat in the garden on a sunny day with 2 decks and played BJ for 2 hours. some of the dirty dealing tricks the dealer made...like I had 20, my son (dealer) had 4. He deals 2,3,5,7. 21??
Now in a casino....I think that's bent.
Which proves you thought wrong, purely because you thought it could happen, but NOT while you were playing, things like that must have loooong odds of occuring but as 'luck' would have it, or not in your case, it happened AGAINST you, I too did a few tests with other family members with playing cards, 1 deck, no jokers, red card OR black card turned over from the shuffled deck would be the EC colours, we tried various bet methods FL, OL, play 1 colour until bust, etc etc, using marty at first, marty went sky high so we tried many other progressions flat bet +1 on a win if behind, labbys of various lengths, same length loosing runs as we are accustomed to in roulette, be it rng of real wheel, play or real money. We decided to use cards as coin flipping 'felt' a true 50/50 (there's only 2 possible sides to choose from) but a deck of cards is 26/26 has 26 cards FOR you where the coin only has 1, hope that makes sense LOL you start thinking the coins must be unbalanced but then see the bad runs come from both sides.
Other members have done similar things and noticed the same results.
Here's something to try on BV using the auto spin function, when you open the game its already set to 1000, place a 0.01c bet on any number hit auto and walk away, if that number doesnt hit within the 1000 spins you will lose 10 Euros we know that has never happened, 600ish is the figure we have seen, from my tests that gathered the 10300 real money spins I posted on the forum, I noticed the max any number hit within those 1000 spins was 44 which would mean you make 584 units flat betting, the l west I had was 12 hits, the numbers are not what I would call the same, I mean lets say 28 hit 42 times in the 1st 1000 spins, it may be amongst the big hitters during the next 1000 but then again may not, the same for the low hitters, it changes all the time, there's no pattern, so if a number hits only 12 times you would lose half of you staring 10 Euros, so then you would think, ok, I'll put 2 cents on the same number for the next 1000, until ahead, hoping that because it slept the last chunk it 'should' wake up soon, sometimes it does but again can't be relied upon, and by keeping notes of WLLWW (1 letter denotes 1000 spin chunks) it looks just like everything else in random, some WLWLWLLWWWWLWWLWWWLL then some that look like doz/col betting methods/systems random just produces layers and layers of the same $hit at different intervals.
As always these are my views/findings/opinions etc or just plane mumbo jumbo, YMMV be carefull out there.
Superman...thanks...I appreciate your concise reply which i found a good read.
My worry is this. Where do we stop getting paranoid.
paranoid is mabe the wrong word, however, we do get like this.
If i play random gen Playteck Roulette on quick play (theres no point watching a generated rotating wheel) so I can pop numbers out quick and when get a bad feeling about how I am doing, I will blame Playteck if I loose.
i set out to play a game I have studied well and lost. lost due to some external force, not my lack of understanding of the game. Rubbish
im an expert on this psychology. I played studied and died a manic brain death over Chess for 30 years.
There is no bigger down feeling than being beat by a foe you were convinced you could beat.
So I go to play real wheel play online. What do I do when that beats my ideas?
"Its bent...there are magnets in the wheel drawing the ball away from my numbers."
I really believe that if we really understood what random numbers do and act like...we would actually laugh and applaude when they beat us. A bit like the following.......
Im thinking of the moment in Jurasic park when the guy who loves and admires velocoraptors from his life long study of them gets out witted by them. His last words are "you clever girl"
Turner
Just posting this because it is interesting.
I started this thread due to a number repeating 3 times the second time I test a method on BV Fun Mode within a few spins.
Now during the third session, I was just testing a method for 30 spins and number 1 repeats 3 times. My bet selection gave me the trigger to bet around this number.
Am I this lucky?
A number repeating three times a dealer see every day. Its common, and its not
1/37 * 1/37 * 1/37 likehood, its much less. 1/37 * 1/37 * 1/37 is the probability it comes
a specific number the three next spins. The next number is always certain to come, and its a fact when the ball lands, you know 100% its a number and which number, next spin its a likehood it will be a double always 1/37. If we see the two numbers back to back, the triple has the same likehood as any number. It is only useful to count the likehood before it happens, after it is 100%.
In my play yesterday I got 4 of number 3 in a row. I could benefit from that, only because I was hunting repeaters and bet on repeaters, otherwise it should not means a lot.
1 2 3, 4 4 4, 34 12 11 13 are likely rare, every triplet has the same likehood. I have never heard anybody say a game is rigged because four prime show back to back.
Hey Ralph,
I agree, just struck me as interesting. I have only spun a total of +-40 spins on BV Fun Mode and had two triple repeats.
Quote from: Twisteruk on Jul 21, 09:46 AM 2012
Nothing can be proven, ever. Its just a matter of perspective
I know I ALWAYS win at the start of a System BVNZ does not know. ALWAYS.
Then over time it learns, in my opinion, your Triggers and then sends you strings of numbers to break you
I can't prove it but it happens every time just like that. So I'm convinced
Also why limit the string of numbers by default to 10 ? And why limit the Max String of numbers to 60 and say not 6000 ??
in my opinion its because of their Checksum. They know as soon as those predetermined numbers are sent to you they can not change them due to the said Checksum. So it doesn't want to get into a long fight with you as it won't be able to adapt and beat you.
Like I say just my opinion.
As for getting the same results in play compared to Real, of course you will. Why wouldn't you ??
If it were so noticably different then the Cat would deffo be out the Bag !
It has to be the same, so the reaction is, "ah but fun play is the same"
I agree totally. 'was playing different methods with same conclusion....
bye
tao
This is a continuation of my experiences on BV Fun Mode.
I don't test methods a lot on BV Fun Mode but when I do interesting things happen.
This is around the fifth method I tested on BV Fun Mode and about 30 spins in number 20 lands 4 times.
I have a screen shot but do not know how to upload this.
Just found this interesting and wanted to share it. Has anybody ever seen a number land 4 times during play, not during testing of thousands of numbers? It actually takes about 1 million spins to see this event.
Having said that, yesterday I hit a hole in one in golf, 100 yards, par 3 :)
As you can see from my posts in BV Fun Mode, interesting things can happen within a short amount of spins.
I had eight zeros in the marque today. This things happen and are not at all any special, give it time and you will see all combinations. It is about 20 numbers in the marque, and it is the same occurrence of any series of 20. If it was sure we never saw them, the wheel should be biased.
It is sometimes hard to understand that 20 seven in a row is possible, it is very unlikely, but it is as unlikely as any 20 numbers will show. Try to find a marque at BV which show up 20 the same number and order 2 times, it is likely you must wait hundreds of years.
Some patterns have more meaning to a human brain than other, they are still very rare every
time you look at the marque.
I have posted somewhere here a screenshot of 9 coming 4 times in a row, and one gap an other 9. I think Stepkevh said in one post then he played a repeater system he got 11 of 20 in 100 spins.
Sorry Ralph,
I might not explained it correctly or misunderstood you.
20 landed 4 times in a row, back to back. In a million spins this happens once.
I found this interesting as just 2 or 3 tests back, each test only about 50 spins, 13 landed 3 times in a row.
Quote from: amk on Oct 27, 05:12 PM 2012
Sorry Ralph,
I might not explained it correctly or misunderstood you.
20 landed 4 times in a row, back to back. In a million spins this happens once.
I found this interesting as just 2 or 3 tests back, each test only about 50 spins, 13 landed 3 times in a row.
Hi AMK, since ive been playing on BV fun and REAL. I have recorded 4 consecutive 7s and 4 consecutive 29s. They can happen on a live wheel too. But I think an RNG will run them off with greater frequency.
Quote from: amk on Oct 27, 05:12 PM 2012
Sorry Ralph,
I might not explained it correctly or misunderstood you.
20 landed 4 times in a row, back to back. In a million spins this happens once.
I found this interesting as just 2 or 3 tests back, each test only about 50 spins, 13 landed 3 times in a row.
Who told you it happens once in a million? On a no zero wheel it should happen about once in 45000 spins. If you expect a certain number to show the next four spins it is once in about 16000000, but that's was not the case. You saw four in a row, that is a big difference, it is 1/36x1/36x1/36 chance. On a rng it takes a few seconds to do a spin, so if you play much you can see it every week.
The same goes for EC, any 2 red or black in a row is 50 % chance. It is common to missinterpret this fact.
When you count for ANY of the chances you shall not count the first because the first time it is 100% chance it will be a (any)number. A hit back to back have then 1/36 chance of hitting, and random make it happen sometimes sooner and sometimes later than the chance.
You are right Ralph.
I misinterpreted the 1 million stat. The max that a number repeats in 1 million spins was found to be 4 times in a row. It did not say how often this happens.