Here's an unholy grail for ya, nice n simple
Wait for a dozen not to show for 5 spins
Then wait for that dozen to hit
Then bet that dozen to hit again within 4 spins
If it doesn't hit again within 4, then retrack for another
Dozen to go missing for 5
Take advantage of those waking dozens!
BW
Here's a random sample. Notice how both 4 losses would have hit on the fifth! Has a good hit rate anyhow
Hope you like
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The basic idea is not bad at all...
Do you think that, for example, a dozen that slept for 40 spins should also be played only for the next 4 after it hit? Or could we play a bigger progression for more spins on this cases, according to the number of misses it had before hitting the first time?
Quote from: vladir on Jul 13, 06:17 PM 2012
The basic idea is not bad at all...
Do you think that, for example, a dozen that slept for 40 spins should also be played only for the next 4 after it hit? Or could we play a bigger progression for more spins on this cases, according to the number of misses it had before hitting the first time?
You may be right vladir and the progression could be adapted to how long a dozen has missed, if there are any differences in each case. The more I test this, I guess the more I may see some correlation
It might be that quick wakers are more unpredictable than long wakers, or vice versa !
Thanks
Maybe we could get an idea of the maximum and averages that it takes for a dozen to strike a second time, after missing for 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15 .... analyzing 1 Million spins or more... anyone wants to try it?
Well that would be great but I'm not sure how anyone would get such data?
I like them simple, Buffalowizard.....and i like this one.
I just did a test with some numbers i got from this board (dublinet numbers) and here is the result after a few spins playing both Doz & Col at the same time.
Progression: 1,1,1,2
Lose the first session and start over with: 2,2,3,5
..................Dozens.............................Columns
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9..............W+2
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15..............W+4
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20....................................W+4
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29............L+5
36............L+4
13............L+3
8.............W+7
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4.............L+6
3.............L+5
36............W+7...................W+6
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23............W+9.................W+8
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22............L+8
17............L+7
16............L+6
5.............W+10
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25............W+12..................L+7
16..................................L+6
33.................................W+8
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25...........L+11
1............W+13
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1.................................W+10..........TOTAL PROFIT (DOZ+COL) = +23
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This is an interesting idea. I am going to make a simulation with 1 milion spins.
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 14, 06:59 AM 2012
This is an interesting idea. I am going to make a simulation with 1 milion spins.
thanks N1CKYYY! That would be great, save a lot of testing for sure... Depending on how you view these kind of things, keep us updated mate
I made the test as i promised you ( actually this is the reason i am here to offer MY ideas and to test YOURS ).
On single zero roulette without ANY progression the system is kind of balanced but when it happens to TANK it does not recover more than 30 %.
On no zero roulette without ANY progression the system makes profit but unfortunatelly there are moments when you have to wait 1000 - 2000 spins to recover.
This is an ideal system to be played with bot. ( I will create one when i have free time )
If you start with 300 EURO BR and you play with 0.10 cents in the end of the day you will be between 290 - 340 EURO depends on WHEN YOU PUT THE BREAK.
If you guys want me to show you visual representation of the test i will make one for you.
If you want me to make a web site with option to upload a file with spins and use it as a tracker for different systems just send me private message or somebody to make a seperate THREAD where you request which system to be coded.
The web site may be password protected or free for everyone. The choice is yours.
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 14, 08:38 AM 2012
I made the test as i promised you ( actually this is the reason i am here to offer MY ideas and to test YOURS ).
On single zero roulette without ANY progression the system is kind of balanced but when it happens to TANK it does not recover more than 30 %.
On no zero roulette without ANY progression the system makes profit but unfortunately there are moments when you have to wait 1000 - 2000 spins to recover.
This is an ideal system to be played with bot. ( I will create one when i have free time )
If you start with 300 EURO BR and you play with 0.10 cents in the end of the day you will be between 290 - 340 EURO depends on WHEN YOU PUT THE BREAK.
If you guys want me to show you visual representation of the test i will make one for you.
If you want me to make a web site with option to upload a file with spins and use it as a tracker for different systems just send me private message or somebody to make a separate THREAD where you request which system to be coded.
The web site may be password protected or free for everyone. The choice is yours.
Wow you are one efficient guy.
Really appreciate you doing all that and am intrigued by your results. Would love to see the graphs please. Did you try with any kind of progression?
Also anything you decide to code would be available for all
Thanks again
Now i am customising the system to work with progression and some 'money management system'.
I will make my best to make a visual representation as soon as possible.
But instead of making test for each one system and posting it here i think of creating a WEB BASED tracker where everybody will be able to visualize and test different systems.
GOOD GUY N1CKYYY :wink:
Great stuff nicky, I'm sure a lot of members will appreciate it, myself included
BW
If you start with 300 EURO BR and you play with 0.10 cents in the end of the day you will be between 290 - 340 EURO depends on WHEN YOU PUT THE BREAK.
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How were you playing it to achieve the above results nicky?
By the way, thanks carsch for contributing your own testing towards this
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 14, 09:26 AM 2012
If you start with 300 EURO BR and you play with 0.10 cents in the end of the day you will be between 290 - 340 EURO depends on WHEN YOU PUT THE BREAK.
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How were you playing it to achieve the above results nicky?
Hola Nickky
Interesting claim. But i think that we need to reverse your numbers to 260 - 310 ;D
Regards
Hi guys. Here are the results from 6 sessions using FLAT BET ONLY.
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Soon i will produce results with progression....
The reason the chart looks 'edgy' is because of the waiting time a dozen to sleep five times and then hit
10 000 thousands spins using FLAT BET ONLY
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Mighty impressive nicky thanks so much. I only wonder of a progression that might make it even better? Obviously the drawdowns would be greater but if we could find a perfect fit ?
Just to get this straight nickyyy, you ran this by 120,000 FLATBET and it won more than it lost. Biggest drawdown was 17 units ish? Cheers
Now that saves alot of time in testing looks like a winner to me.great job nikky. :thumbsup:
Quote from: warrior on Jul 14, 03:59 PM 2012
Now that saves a lot of time in testing looks like a winner to me.great job nikky. :thumbsup:
That's what I was thinking! Saved me about a hundred hours of testing and typing! I do love a graph!
this would be a nice walk around system for casinos with lots of boards, look at the marquees and play
Nicky... what program do you use to get these results so fast ?
Quote from: Stepkevh on Jul 14, 05:34 PM 2012
Nicky... what program do you use to get these results so fast ?
i am a programmer so i do it myself using java or javascript.
Quote from: buffalowizard on Jul 14, 02:22 PM 2012
Just to get this straight nickyyy, you ran this by 120,000 FLATBET and it won more than it lost. Biggest drawdown was 17 units ish? Cheers
Yes. but you need to have patience until it recovers so i have to find a nice progression or some kind of system switch method to recover faster...
Hi Nicky
How about GLC's Penthouse Proggy 1,1,1,2,2,2,3,3,3 and so on......after a win you go back 2 steps and a loss forward 1 step, I have found this very powerful as I often play 2-1 bets and it has shown good recovery so far, I only use it when I am in the red, if I'm in plus just stay flat and keep your win target sensible
Thanks Nicky for sharing :thumbsup:
Gordon :)
BW, Just to add a little additional information to this topic, here's one very similar that we already kicked around a little. I haven't had time to look at this older version. May have some interesting insights that could save some time on this one.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=275.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=275.0)
Looks like this older one got cut short. This could be a good example of passing by a pretty decent system due to a lack of interest at the time.
Where was N1ckyyy 2 years ago?
Quote from VLS
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Reverse the thinking mate! In my humble opinion, you are better by scrapping negative progressions and sticking to POSITIVE ones ***
Take this advice from Victor and also my advice because i do use possitive progressions
on one dozen or column. Here an example how i use positive progr. but another bet
selection. (use after W +1, and after 4Ls -1 or -2 , also after twice in row L4 Stop and wait
virtual W then bet again after new trigger).
here is the link
link:://rouletteclub.cc/discussion/38/positive-progressions-on-one-dozen#Item_1 (link:://rouletteclub.cc/discussion/38/positive-progressions-on-one-dozen#Item_1)
Quote from: GLC on Jul 15, 12:00 AM 2012
BW, Just to add a little additional information to this topic, here's one very similar that we already kicked around a little. I haven't had time to look at this older version. May have some interesting insights that could save some time on this one.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=275.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=275.0)
Looks like this older one got cut short. This could be a good example of passing by a pretty decent system due to a lack of interest at the time.
Where was N1ckyyy 2 years ago?
Great minds think alike eh!
Well it shows that there are very little original ideas out there, but few have been tested for long enough.
Maybe this is a goer?