I know this sounds like what we don't want, but I need a bet that only wins about 50% of the time and not particularly streaky. With the method I am working with (MM), I want my wL to be wLwLwLwLwLwL. My problem is that when I find a winning bet, it wins too long at once such as LL::w and this is ruining what I am trying to accomplish. Has anyone seen a bet method (specifically EC) that alternates winning and losing fairly consistently?
I think there is no such thing... If it was, we would just bet the oposite and it would be a winning system :P
Quote from: Colbster on Jul 15, 12:27 PM 2012
I know this sounds like what we don't want, but I need a bet that only wins about 50% of the time and not particularly streaky. With the method I am working with (MM), I want my wL to be wLwLwLwLwLwL. My problem is that when I find a winning bet, it wins too long at once such as LL::w and this is ruining what I am trying to accomplish. Has anyone seen a bet method (specifically EC) that alternates winning and losing fairly consistently?
I would love to have streaks like that ;D You just play 1 up or 1 down and you are a constant winner. Flat claims that he found a most balanced EC bet by betting alternatively on 3 lines but personally i dont see any difference. EC is just EC no matter if you bet 18 different numbers or just B or R :D
I don't even need it to be a 50/50 system. It could actually be a net-losing system, but I don't want LLLLLLLLL or WWWWWWW. Most I have found either have really good stretches or really bad stretches. I want the most mediocre, hashing around near 0 system I can possibly find.
Quote from: Colbster on Jul 15, 12:46 PM 2012
I don't even need it to be a 50/50 system. It could actually be a net-losing system, but I don't want LLLLLLLLL or WWWWWWW. Most I have found either have really good stretches or really bad stretches. I want the most mediocre, hashing around near 0 system I can possibly find.
any system with consistent LW pattern would be long term winner.
but in all systems LW patterns are changing all the time
LLLLWLLLLWWLLLLLWLLL
WWWWLLWWWLWLWWWLW
LWLWLWLWLWLWLW
....u cant have system that produce only one type.
an old favouite of mine was taking the result of the last three of an ec...and betting it till it wins..ie like staying with the dominent run...as soon as it hit then play the dominent of the last 3 including the one hit...sometimes it you can win pretty fast ....ie rbrbbrrrrrrbb i would bet r 1st till win which is 6th spin as r is dominent in 1st 3...as soon as i won i see bb are before it so thats the dominent one to chase as soon as we hit it on spin 12 we bet for red as thats the dominent one on that hit....another 50 50 bet selection for me is the dozen bet i use u can try this flat betting as its a very even steady bet as you will see testing...very slow but good ..if a dozen hits more than once ie 2 times wait 2 spins and flat bet that doz will hit in 4 spins....if a doz hits 3,4,5 any amount of times wait that excact amount of spins and bet it will hit again flat betting for 4 spins...you will be surprised how steady this is
6
Very interesting!
Thanks!
Sam
thanks sam the dozen one is really good...i should have added only bet the dozen if it doesn,t show before the qualifying spin break...ie if doz 3 showed a run of 3...you would bet only after 3 spins if it didn,t show while you were waiting for the 3 spin trigger.....simple error rushing typing trying to do other stuff... i said 50 50 also as it does seem to act like it
So to clarify for me:
If a dozen hit twice, wait for 2 "empty" spins. (Empty meaning no same dozen.)
3..wait 3 empty
4 wait 4 empty
5 wait 5 empty
But in every case, after you begin betting you only bet four spins.
That it?
With Lanky's six point divisor, this could be very interesting.
Sam
Not as interesting as reversing the bet with a 3 stage 2doz progression lol it works both ways with same trigger rules.....all i can say is try it out
6th,
That sounds very cool and worth some consideration. It isn't what I am looking for specifically on this quest I am on, but it has it's own merit.
Where I seem to be getting the best results based on my needs is by betting a terrible twos pattern. I bet RRBBRRBB regardless of what is happening on the table. It breaks even during long streaks in either direction, is perfect on chops, handles random junk well and is perfect on 50% of the terrible twos that show up. The other 50% of terrible twos either win too much or lose too much, but not long enough to destroy my staking method.
hi colbster,
would a bankroll balance trend like this fit your mm?
cheers
hans
That is precisely what I am looking for, because I am making money on both wins and losses slowly. It is the steep climbs and drops that hurt me, so your slow loss is ideal!! Would love a PM to discuss what you have there.
What I have had the best success with has been a constant BBRRBBRR, HHLLHHLL, EEOOEEOO. These work just how I need them to for chops, streaks, and some of the doubles, although not all the doubles as you can imagine. Yours looks even more favorable for my Dynamic Differential Betting that I have detailed in the Notebook section. That MM is very, very stable when wins and losses don't freak out, but the bet selection I was using was a little too streaky.
Thanks for the graph and response - I am very excited to hear how you got that!
The bet you are looking for is so simple . It`s just out there for grabs. I am using this method with only one of the E.C. NO SWEAT .
Tamino.
the differential betting is a great system......so ideally wlwlwl and not :wllll:llll
Ideally, wlwlwlwlw is correct. The way I set it up with my version was that it could slowly trend wlwlwwlwwl:llwlwl to show a session bias that we would ultimately swap with the expectation for that bias to continue in the short- to medium- term and correct our imbalance. I set my guidelines to pivot after 10 results out of balance and an end to the session if it ended 20 out of balance after the swap (In theory and frequently in practice, the +10 or -10 came back to 0 as the session bias corrected against itself which also was a good point to end the session). The series you show would actually be quite adequate, allowing the progression to grow a little each direction and gain some decent profits when it swapped back the other direction. However, a wlwlwlwlwl would be a money machine!
Hi Colbster
try betting the DBL on any of the even money chances
that might give you what your looking for
D1.
The DBL wins too much on a sustained streak for my needs. I need just as many losses as wins if possible. Thanks though!
Quote from: Colbster on Jul 16, 09:44 PM 2012
The DBL wins too much on a sustained streak for my needs. I need just as many losses as wins if possible. Thanks though!
Choose a simple bet selection as Follow the Last, then bet after a win, on one side, after a loss on the other.
You would be surprised how balanced it gets.
Cheers.
Quote from: albertojonas on Jul 16, 10:26 PM 2012
Choose a simple bet selection as Follow the Last, then bet after a win, on one side, after a loss on the other.
You would be surprised how balanced it gets.
Cheers.
You can get wrong timing with long chopping, which are half the patterns. I use to shift after two losses.
Most of the chops cancel each other then.
I got what your looking for.
Just keep betting Red then Black over and over no matter what....... except zero. In order for you to get a streak of Wins, you have got to be perfectly in synch with that specific alternation. A long stretch of 1 color and you got WLWLWLWL.
;D
Here is a stretch of random results. I will start to bet High then Low. I will show W/L only
23--W
32--L
23--W
24--L
35--W
3--W
13--L
30--L
35--W
33--L
36--W
29--L
4--L
26--L
17--L
34--L
32--W
36--L
22--W
22--L
34--W
5--L
24--W
9--W
27--W
24--L
34--W
13--W
12--L
36--L
0--L
0--L
18--L
33--L
28--W
9--W
16--L
35--L
31--W
11--W
12--L
35--L
15--L
35--L
28--W
8--W
16--L
1--W
27--W
11--W
10--L
18--W
5--L
7--W
23--W
3--W
25--W
26--L
11--L
0--L
28--W
5--W
33--W
27--L
19--W
15--W
27--W
7--W
11--L
27--L
7--L
5--W
3--L
36--L
20--W
8--W
21--W
21--L
35--W
30--L
21--W
7--W
29--W
18--W
22--W
20--L
35--W
31--L
3--L
25--L
2--L
26--L
18--L
19--L
24--W
8--W
18--L
17--W
7--L
24--L
whew, I hope I didn't make any mistakes. On the zeros, I just kept High then Low over and over
We had a stretch of 5 wins in a row and 7 losses in a row, but all in all, it seems pretty good.
That is the same concept I have been working with, although I have been using chopping doubles BBRRBBRR with not consideration to what has happened in the past. It wins with chops, streaks, and half of the doubles, plus a bunch of the random mishmash results that don't show any clear direction. Thanks for confirming the direction I was going - that seems just about right!
Quote from: Colbster on Jul 15, 12:27 PM 2012
I know this sounds like what we don't want, but I need a bet that only wins about 50% of the time and not particularly streaky. With the method I am working with (MM), I want my wL to be wLwLwLwLwLwL. My problem is that when I find a winning bet, it wins too long at once such as LL::w and this is ruining what I am trying to accomplish. Has anyone seen a bet method (specifically EC) that alternates winning and losing fairly consistently?
--This is what you need Colby......most sessions are like that...this one
longest run of los 4.....test some and you will see...except this is 5/4 bet
Quote from: Colbster on Jul 17, 05:06 PM 2012
That is the same concept I have been working with, although I have been using chopping doubles BBRRBBRR with not consideration to what has happened in the past. It wins with chops, streaks, and half of the doubles, plus a bunch of the random mishmash results that don't show any clear direction. Thanks for confirming the direction I was going - that seems just about right!
Hola Colbster
It feels like you want to put us on ;D There is no such a thing that you are looking for. And contrary to a populary belief i would not look for such a bet among EC's. If you want wild swings try any bet selections on double Dz's flat of course ;D They even out but it takes forever.
Regards
hi again colbster how are you doing with this..i,ve been thinking about how to turn the dozen selection method to your advantage and i,ve come up with just using doz 1 and 3....the obvious reason is that its transferred to hi and low for your result..as before if a dozen hits 2 or more times wait for the same amount of misses then bet the corrospondent hi or low depending which doz it is...done a quick test of 3000 spins not actual bets and its pretty neck and neck...but slow.
i think one more alternative which would give quicker results is using the ro,re,bo,be registry...using the same methods for dozens but betting opposite...ie if 2 red odds come out..wait 2 spins and bet the opposite on ec,s ie black and even...say 4 black evens came out wait 4 spins and bet the opposite red and odd...this kind of betting derives from a system i sort of wondered off from looking into something else....maybe it could be transferred to the double streets or lines but progression on any of these could be pretty high
i have made an excel for this "roberebo" system added on the dozens and columns
which? is it excactly how i posted it?....using the results to bet on ec,s? if so cpould i have a link to see how it works?
ok here is a quick example of the ro,re,bo,be
numbers out are
10
12
31
33
26 this is our trigger to bet opposite the two bo,s ie 31, 33 in two spins as they are only two bo,s here
32
2 is the result becouse we bet oppisite bo which is re we win our bet back on the even chance
4
2
36 is our next trigger as its broke the run of3 be,s..so we wait for 3 spins then bet oppisite
12
34
16 nxt spin we bet red .odd ie re
27 comes in and we win on both even chances.....is this how its programmed?
the original method was to match on the inside of the table the actual result...ie we wouldn,t bet oppisite but for...so if its red odd we would bet all the red odds on the table...test on this was also good flat betting...win to loss ratio...could you program excel for both of these? that would be good
6s, here it is
in the second small square (like E2, I2, ) you can see on what the formula bets if a roberebo has fallen.
This is offcourse for the dozens and columns.
but i see that you look for something that bets the same.
so if RO falls you want to place bet for all RO's ?
idententical for all the rest.
i,m not too sure about the excel if it relates to what i,m on about...in fact i,m not sure how to read it properly..? the actual re ro bo be bet was only to bet the once per trigger as stated...could you explain how to read it for a simpleton like myself.. :-\
my excel is adapted to the dozens and columns with the original roberebo bet.
if you input your spun numbers in the left most column A it tells you on what doz/col to bet next.
i think its now selected as, if a ro or be shows you bet on doz 1/2 and col 2/3 and if the opposite shows you bet d2/3 and c1/2.
its possible to change it like you want it and with what MM you want
Stepkevh (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=profile;u=3928) if you could do the excel excactly how i describe and the flat bet i give it would be very much appreciated....with results and betting history and balance at the side in a column like yours.
the trigger ;....if any bo or be,ro or re comes out 2,3,4, etc or more in a row we wait that excact amount of spins when the run is broken then bet...so if results are
12 re
17 bo
36 re
18 re
27 ro .this is the break of re so we include this result it,s 2 re,s in run wait for next result then bet
14 re only once the next step....so we got a 2 RE run then wait 2 results then bet once only.
if we get 3 RE,S we wait 3 spins then bet.... same for 4,5 ,6 etc.same for BE,RO,BO
THE BET; there is no progression its going to be flat all the way....
if RE bet will be 1 unit on red odds on table 10 units..then 26 units on EC black..loss=36 win=16
if RO bet will be 1 unit on red evens on table 8 units..then 28 units on EC red..loss=36 win=20
if BO bet will be 1 unit on black evens on table 10 units then 26 units on EC red..loss=36 win=16
if BE bet will be 1 unit on black odds on table 8 units then 28 units on EC red ..loss=36 win 20
now the only way to lose is either zero or a repeat of what we are betting against..we break even on inside bets on the table.
a lot of the time we will be playing 2 results at once as they intermingle with runs of 2 on one and 3 on another...
do you think you could do this on excel?
i will try do my best :-)
but i think there is a fault in your betting.
If your betting against Ro Be Re Bo that has fallen 2x or 3x shouldnt you bet against that color to on the ECs ?
Or is it correct what you write in your post.
RE => bet on RO (10 x 1u) & 26 on Black
RO => bet on RE (8 x 1u) & 28 on Red Are the EC bets correct here ?????
BO => bet on BE (10 x 1u) & 26 on Red
BE => bet on BO (8 x 1u) & 28 on Red
And on page2 you wrote "bet against" , isnt that RE bet BO / RO bet BE and opposite ?
Yes the amounts are right,this is just a version i would like to see thevresults of...as i said the original was to match what you are betting against....
Placing bets on just two outside ec,s is a very slow grind with this system...
I think maybe two excels could be done one for the above and one to match ,,,ie if we have 2,3,4 of Ro,re,bo,be. Then bet for a match after the same amount of misses.
so betting on red after ro, bo and be is correct and only bet black after re ??
this is what i made from what you gave me.
you can just delete the numbers in the A column and begin adding your own spins.
It show you when to bet on what and for how much.
if there should be a fault or you want to change smt (like adding more spins - now its 500 spins) let me know ;)
i used the first spins of the 10000realspinfileBV and gave positif result.
looks good to me only thing is when we bet against ro..and re comes out it gives a win on both columns but i do,nt think it affects the balance...thanks for your time and effort...makes things a lot easier...do you think you could do one for betting for a match result on the inside of the table? ie instead of betting against we bet for only 1 spin...ie same triggers say 3 red odds come out wait 3 spins and bet on all the red odds on the table? same for the others..love it thanks again
you mean it gives a win on the R and RE column ?
RO => bet on RE (8 x 1u) & 28 on Red
voila, for matching roberebo's.
i must say, the other one with bets on B/R was more positive.
still don't think u got it...spin 8and 9 are be.....so we should be betting at spin 12 should 28 units red ec and 8 units on black odds ie all the black odds on table...you had it right 1st time except the way the result read on the chart on that ro selection
looking at the chart also i don,t understand how we win 56? when max unit win is 20...16..or break even...i think we have got mixed up here
so spin 8 and 9 and bet 12 are okay ?
then you have 13 and 14 (2 x RO),
so following the bet chart it states if RO falls bet 1u on all RE's and 28u on Red, then there is smt not correct here ?
RE => 1u on RO (10u) 26u on B
RO => 1u on RE (8u) 28u on R
BO => 1u on BE (10u) 26u on R
BE => 1u on BO (8u) 28u on R
i followed this chart, if smt falls 2,3 or 4x wait equal spins and then bet
the formulas are all following the chart, then there is smt wrong with the bet selection in the chart.
if you bet on all RE's or whatever on the table (inside) then you have a payout of 1/36 and on EC R/B its 1/2.
So betting 28u on Red gives you 56-28=28u, and betting 8 x 1u on inside RE's gives you 36-8=28u, together 56 units.
Or am i wrong here :-S
ahhh i see that i made a mistake on that line my fault ...maybe a small error like this could be a good thing if it stands up....
RO => 1u on RE (8u) 28u on R...it should be 28u on black....big sorreeee
all explanatory now thanks..
maybe two excel the one i messed up on and this one small change as it should have been
thats what i tried to tell you a few posts above if it was correct to bet on 3 types red and only 1 type black.
I tried this first and didnt was as good as it is now ;-)
the fault you made was in fact a good fault :-P
lol good..so do we have to type in numbers into the excel or is there a way to copy and paste a file into it :lol:
just trying to input numbers in after i deleted yours but it won,t use your formula am i doing something wrong? it just takes numbers but no results on betting or what to bet for?
6s, the first 11 numbers are blank ones (no formula)
from the 12th number there is a formula active.
the active ones are the ones with the "0" in the last (profit) column.
this is for the fact if there would be 4 equal odds in the first spins
hi been putting results in and looks quite safe this selection the only niggle with it is that i have to deduct losses on zero by hand at the end of session becouse for some reason it doesn,t seem to do anything on a loss to balance?
i fixed the problem with the 0.
the only thing is that you have to use z instead of 0 because i can't get it to work with a 0 :D
thats the problem i have in al my excel's , it counts 0 as empty spaces and always shows 'l' in empty sheets thats why i use "z"
thanks that's great ...might as well post my 1st test results all flat betting all from this file underneath the excel one....can be copied and pasted into the rpro file section of the rpro software i uploade a few post ago on another thread just check my post and watch video how to run it...once again thanks
and on what you use it (casino, live, rng ?)
i used your numbers in my excel file for following last 2 doz & cols and i came up 990u plus :xd:
and that for only the first 500 numbers, where the h*ll are these from :P
i can,t remember i think its from this site theres over 25 thousand spins to go through so it could be anything...i,ve had it for years....
wow that's really good LoL knocks socks off this then...but then again i,m only flat betting O0
yep thats true, you risk lesser then me
ahhh but you win more
yes but my risk would be waaaay higher (big MM)
tomorrow i'm going to look to combine our both systems in 1 sheet, i'm curious :-)
ok 1st test was up 288 units
this 2nd test is up 184 units..
all flat betting again
must say though that it really should be 36 units down made up from a continuation from last test going into this test..and at the end of this test if i could have got a few more spins it would have lost 36 units ..so the test continues i,ll try 3 lots tommorrow
Hey 6s,
I changed the file a bit, i added a few formulas for the first lines in case you would have 2 eqaul odds from the start.
If you fill in your excel just start from the top "A3"-> just under the square "nr"