I know that all the mean guys on this forum are going to jump all over this system, but I can take it. I’m posting this for guys like lorna dune. To give him a new thought and to encourage him to open up.
This system is based on “The Author’s Systemâ€:
link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/author's-system/ (link:://rouletteforum.cc/bet-selection/author's-system/)
We play the exact same way regarding Same Opposite Same Opposite etc…
We’re going to change the bet progression. Here’s the base progression.
1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-9
If we lose the whole progression we will lose 100 units.
This is a positive progression hiding within a negative progression. That means that when we lose at a level, we move to the right one level. Any time we win at a level, we will be fully recovered and can start over at level 1. That's the negative progression.
Each of the numbers in our progression line represents 1-4 bets. These 4 bets are built on a positive progression. The basic positive progression is 1-2-3-5. If we win all 4 bets we will be ahead by 11 units.
If we lose the 1st bet we will be down 1 unit and must move one step to the right on our base line.
If we win the 1st bet and lose the 2nd bet we will be down 1 unit and must move one step to the right on our base line.
If we win the 1st bet and win the 2nd bet and lose the 3rd bet we will be even and can replay the same bet again.
If we win the 1st bet and win the 2nd bet and win the 3rd bet and we lose the 4th bet we will have won 1 unit and can drop back 1 level.
If we win all 4 bets we will be ahead by 11 units and can re-set to the very 1st 1 in our base line.
Here’s a quick analysis of how it works. We bet 1 and win so now we have 2. We bet those 2 and win so now we have 4. We take our original bet of 1 back and bet 3 and win so now we have 6. We take another unit back and bet 5 and win so now we have 10 plus the one we just took back for a total win of +11 and we got our original bet back also.
If we had won the 1st, and the 2nd and lost the 3rd bet, we would break even because we had 4 units after winning the 2nd bet but we only bet 3 for the 3rd bet returning our original unit to us.
If we had won the 1st, 2nd and 3rd bets and lost the 4th bet we would be at +1 because we pulled back our original bet when we had 4 units but only bet 3 and on the 4th bet we had 6 units but only bet 5 which gave us a unit profit if we lose the 4th bet.
That’s how it’s played. If we’re betting on a level above 1, we just multiply the 4 bets I just outlined by the level number and those are out bets. So at level 3 we will bet 3-6-9-15 and if we win all 4 bets we will win 33 units. 3=6; 6=12; 12-3=9=18; 18-3=15=30. 30 plus 3 = 33 plus the 3 I took back on the 3rd bet gives me my original bet back.
It’s a piece of cake.
Ralph, see if you can lose with this one! Mate. :thumbsup:
For me, the link did not work.
Hi Sam,
Well sice the link says that the "Authors System" Does not exist any more, maybe you could enlighten us on it.
Please explain how it is played and what are you betting on?....The ECs?
ScoobyDoo
Yes I will try it, at BV with i cent chips. Reporting back!
Will first read your post once more to be sure I got all right.
Yesterday all my play was 789 Euro plus at most, but ended with just 70.
The last sessions were against me, and I think if I did not stop, the day should have a loss.
I really like it. I have always believed in using "house" money to try to recoup losses. I think you are really on to something. 4 in a row is not much to ask for? ---- is it?
I use to play Guetting, a slow loser and if it hit, a good winner. This progression is very good
when you have a lucky day. A martingaler get 10 chips in a ten streak, and with positive progression the pocket will be full.
The bank risk a lot and the player a few chips, and with martingale it is opposite.
This has some of this, you do not need to win all five in a row.
I was up (down) to level 4 a few times. No graph but the figures here:
Start with 10 Euro in playbank, will use more if needed.
I did not fullfill the play in the higher levels if I got to -1 from new high, and reset to one unit.
1001
1012
1024
1029
1032
1044
1060
1063
1064
1065
1068
1069
1074
1077
1082
1083
1087
1099
1100
change to 0.1 Euro
1170
1240
1290
1360
1370
1380
1390
1500
1510
1620
1630
1702
1802
1850
1940
2030
change to 0.5 Euro
Bank of 10 Euro had to be 20 Euro
2280
2830
2930
3080
Put back 10 Euro to account
3630
3880
4180
Put back 10 Euro to account
Play with winnings rest of this session.
3180
3330 Down to 9 Euro in bank before recover.
3380
3530
3780 Down to 11 Euro in bank before recover.
3880
4130
4780 Down to about 6 Euro before recover.
4980
5130 I think I should stop here 50 Euro is not bad.
20 Euro max at play account.
This time everthing went better, more luck plus certainly
a better method than the previous post.
I don t know if this is this Author s system but see this link:
link:://archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/78/mode/2up (link:://archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/78/mode/2up)
Best regards
kawa4711
Quote from: kawa4711 on Jul 17, 04:35 AM 2012
I don't know if this is this Author s system but see this link:
link:://archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/78/mode/2up (link:://archive.org/stream/montecarloanecdo00bethiala#page/78/mode/2up)
Best regards
kawa4711
He use negative progression, 1 ,2.3,6. So it is not the same.
He sicksac to not be stuck in runs and chops. This is just for our eys, as this pattern is so easy to see, i will not change our chanses.
This seems a very well tougth MM... We have 32 chances to win 4 in a row to win 1 or more units. And when we get only 3 in a row, we get an extra try... I wonder how many units can we win on average before loosing the 100 BR...
I will give this a try in BV with 11 euros when I have time, with an extra twist :)
Initial BR 100 units of 1 cent = 1 â,¬
If I loose, next BR I use is 100 units of 10 cents(=10â,¬), just to recover 1â,¬ and immediatly draw back to BR of 100 units at 1 cent.
Quote from: vladir on Jul 17, 06:45 AM 2012
I will give this a try in BV with 11 euros when I have time, with an extra twist :)
Initial BR 100 units of 1 cent = 1 â,¬
If I lose, next BR I use is 100 units of 10 cents(=10â,¬), just to recover 1â,¬ and immediatly draw back to BR of 100 units at 1 cent.
I like this way to recover, 10 x chips can make it faster. Sometimes I play EC flat, note the losses and when I have a feeling of flow, I bet a couple of big flat bets, hope for at least one more win than loss in near future spins.
We play cents, but do we really, check the table total after some bets.
Checked last longer session, started with 10 cent, and at the end it were a turnover of 60000 Euro. 2600 spins.
Quick question:
Here is the base line: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-9
Does it mean that we play 11 times level 1 using the progression 1-2-3-5. Then if we are not ahead we go to level 2 playing it 6 times?
if that is the case what happens when we play level 1 and we lose first two attempts but on third attempt ( out of eleven ) we win 3 times in a row ( now we will be plus ) but if we play for the fourth atempt which will be to put 5 units if we lose we will be some units down because we have already lost first two atempts on level 1 as i mentioned.
I am just a little confused so please explain it .
10x in advance
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 17, 08:08 AM 2012
Quick question:
Here is the base line: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8-9
Does it mean that we play 11 times level 1 using the progression 1-2-3-5. Then if we are not ahead we go to level 2 playing it 6 times?
Yes, but as soon as you win one of the 1-2-3-5 progressions, you go back to start. You only play 11 times if none of them wins the 4 bets.
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 17, 08:08 AM 2012
if that is the case what happens when we play level 1 and we lose first two attempts but on third attempt ( out of eleven ) we win 3 times in a row ( now we will be plus ) but if we play for the fourth atempt which will be to put 5 units if we lose we will be some units down because we have already lost first two atempts on level 1 as i mentioned.
I am just a little confused so please explain it .
10x in advance
If you loose first 2 attempts, you are down 2 units. On the 3rd attempt, if you win 3 and lose the 4th bet, you have won 1 unit on that attempt, so you will have an overall down of 1 unit.
(the 2 units you were down, less 1 that you have recovered in the last attempt)
Hope it's clear for you... and I haven't made any mistake in understing the system. If somethin is not clear or correct, ask.
I got it.
I tested the system at bevoyager and won 30 units. Max level progression was 3. With a little patience the system is a winner for me.
I will make simulation and post results. If in the long run the system defends the money and when we have luck win i will make a bot.
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 17, 10:03 AM 2012
I got it.
I tested the system at bevoyager and won 30 units. Max level progression was 3. With a little patience the system is a winner for me.
I will make simulation and post results. If in the long run the system defends the money and when we have luck win i will make a bot.
If you do it, add the twist I sugested previously if you can.
PS: It eventually could have another lvl, if we have a bankroll of 100â,¬ - playing with units of 1â,¬ to recover the 10 we may have lost before when playing the second bankroll of 10â,¬.
I got 125 Euro playing with 1 Euro bet. When I had to put 50 to recover, it was feeling a bit risky.
With not an very big bankroll, you can risk, I think 0,1 euro is a better stake. At least until we have have won a larger bit.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 17, 10:22 AM 2012
I got 125 Euro playing with 1 Euro bet. When I had to put 50 to recover, it was feeling a bit risky.
With not an very big bankroll, you can risk, I think 0,1 euro is a better stake. At least until we have have won a larger bit.
If you play with 1 euro as base unit... you can win or loose faster... and you wont be able to recover if you loose.
I would advise you to play 0,1â,¬ or 0,01â,¬ units, and if you loose, then increase to 1â,¬ unit just for recovery.
Holy Moly, You guys didn't let me wake up this morning to answer your questions. Sorry about the expired link. The original system is presented in the book Monte Carlo Anecdotes. I was just suggesting his bet selection method as a decent selection process. You can use your favorite even chance bet selection method. As you already can deduce, this works on baccarat and craps also.
It's not foolproof, but no less stable than most others.
N1ckyyy, Yes if you lose either the 1st or 2nd bet at a level, you move 1 more step to the right in the bet line. If you don't lose till the 3rd bet you break even and stay at the same level you're on. If you make it all the way to the 4th level and lose, you win 1 chip, more if you're at a higher level than 1, and can drop back 1 level.
Anytime you win all 4 bets you should have recovered all your losses and can reset to the first 1. You can, if you're toward the right end of the bet line, jump back down if you win the 3rd bet. It will not fully recover, but will recover a big chunk and dropping back to a smaller size bet gives you more breathing room.
I have a Hispanic friend who likes to play each level 2 times. He does it for safety. What I mean is he plays the 1's level 22 times instead of 11. The idea is that he plays it 11 times and if he loses 11 units, he plays the 1's again as a means of recovering some of what he lost the 1st time through. If his luck is so bad that he has to move to the 2's level, he plays them thru 2 times also. He doesn't mind getting caught in quicksand to keep his bets a little smaller. He's retired and has all the time in the world. He also frequently plays only to the 3rd win.
Yes, you can extend this bet line as far as you want. Depends on your bankroll. As you can see, we're looking for 4 wins in a row, but 3 in a row helps also. The thing that kills us is a loss on the 1st or 2nd bet.
As with all systems. This one can lose so don't get too carried away betting money you can't afford to lose.
Shoot for 10 to 20 units win target or lose 100 units.
Scooby
I have no idea what the system is. Never heard of it.
Did you mean to address that post to George? Had a wee nip, did we Scoob?
Sam
Yeh! Nothing is new under the sun, Everthing in this game were invented 100 year ago.
I recall the book from before the WWI.
Anyhow we can win or lose, with care some of us will winn for long time.
I am not very young, and thats mean I have to short time left to fall in "long run", which is promissing.
I have time to win, but maybe not to spend.
For those of you who like double dozens more than even chances, here's a possible bet line:
1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 2-2 2-2 2-2 2-2 3-3 3-3 4-4 4-4 5-5 6-6 6-6
That's -94 units if you lose the whole line.
The positive part is as follows:
1-1
1-1
2-2
3-3
4-4
5-5
If you lose on the 5-5 bet, you can replay the level.
So, that means you bet 1-1 and win and you have 3 units.
You bet 1-1 again and win and you now have 4 units.
You bet 2-2 and win and you have 6 units.
You bet 3-3 and win and you have 9 units.
You bet 4-4 and win and you have 12 units. (Plus an extra one from the 3-3 win that we didn't use on the 4-4 bet)
You bet 5-5 and win and you have 15 units. (Plus the 2 we didn't use from the 4-4 win and the 1 we didn't use from the 3-3 win)
That gives us 18 units minus our original 2 for a +16 unit win.
As some of you have already figured out, you don't have to win all 4 bets on the e.c.'s in the very beginning of the line. If you lose 1 and move to the 2nd 1, since you are only down 1, no sense in playing for 4 wins netting you +10 when you are back to even on the 1st bet of the 2nd level and up 2 if you win the 2nd bet of the 2nd level.
Any time you are at a new high bank, or back to even after being in the hole, re-set.
Same thing with the double dozens.
If you lose a 1-1 bet, you only have to win 1-1 two times to be back to even and then re-set.
Let's say you've lost 1-1 four times. That makes you down 8 units.
1-1=+1
1-1=+1
2-2=+2
3-3=+3 From here you can bet 2-2 which will put you up 1 for a re-set. Or you can bet 1-1 which will put you back to even. Or, you can bet 4-4 which is the next bet in the progression which if won will put you ahead 3 units. Definitely no need to go on to the 5-5 bet.
These re-sets will keep your bets in the lower end of the progression line.
This double dozen progression line is a little safer than the even chance line because we're only using 6 wins to recover whereas in the e.c. progression, we had to win 4 bets to recover. The odds are better for us that we will win 6 in a row on double dozens than that we will win 4 in a row on even chances.
love a great positive progression -this looks really promising for double dozens
I made some simulations of the system on EC and what i can say is that in the long run it is not a winner but most of the time it defends the money which means that you will not lose a lot and later recover it with a little bigger bets...
Quote from: N1CKYYY on Jul 17, 07:17 PM 2012
I made some simulations of the system on EC and what i can say is that in the long run it is not a winner but most of the time it defends the money which means that you will not lose a lot and later recover it with a little bigger bets...
Thanks N1CKYYY, I can't say that I'm too surprised. At least it's a reasonable bet with a decent chance to walk away a winner or at worse a mild loser.
Self discipline is the key to all these bets.
I think I'll play around with it some and see if I can figure out a trigger system for it.
I'm also going to try it betting differentially on the Red/Black and see if that can stabilize it even more.
To not go mad of opposite streaks, you can us a card deck to determinate tthe bet color.
It would not help you win, but solve a choosing problem.
Played on two COL:s.
step 3 won 3
step 1 won 1
step 2 won 8
step 1 won 14
step 1 won 15
step 1 won 5
step 1 won 1
step 1 won 16
step 1 won 22 (is it possible? May have done a double play and won it).
step 2 won 3
step 3 won 9
I am playing 1 cent, will from here switch to 10 cent, looks safe but slow.
step 2 won 1
step 1 won 16
step 1 won 16
step 1 won 4
step 1 won 1
step 1 won 4
step 9 won 6 break it on passing last high
step 1 won 12
step 9 won 1 It was just under last high, so I reset, but came back again, and made one unit
If I did not do that, the system had crashed or I had to progress a lot more.
step 9 won 1 Very similar as the last, re sett before last high, had more bad runs, came back
to step 9 before new high.
step 3 won 4
step 4 won 4
Got about bout 6 Euro. Slow winnings, two near crashes.
If we add some GF and other tricks, it will slow down even more.
It was a short try, in real conditions.
This maybe a candidate for a robot. I have done a robot before in VB.
To recognize the play I had to fetch screen colors in different locations
and fix the casino game exactly in the VB-browser component.
Its gone as my computer was stolen. I could do it again if I get hands on
VB6, the newer I am not familiar with.
I just played a session on betvoyager demo, single zero, even chances, differential betting on R/B
I won +20 units
95 bets
Highest level reached was the 2nd 2.
Largest draw down was -14
Here's how I played.
I'm betting on R and B at the same time.
Betting differentially to negate the zero as much as possible.
Which ever color spun last, it would have been a win, so I begin by betting 1 unit on the losing color and 2 units on the color that won. Let's say Red won and Black lost. I bet 1 unit on Black which is the 2nd 1 in Black's progression because Black just lost the 1st 1 in its progression. I bet 2 units on Red because Red just won its 1st 1 unit bet and is letting it ride for a 2 unit bet.
Since we're betting differentially, I only bet 1 unit on Red and nothing on Black.
Anytime I get back to zero or +1, I reset. I reset to 1 on the color that just lost and 2 on the color that just won. That way we don't have to have a virtual bet of 1 on each to see which we will bet 2 on next.
From here I run each color with its own progression. If I get 4 colors in a row, I usually reach a new high bank and can reset both progressions.
If I am -2 and my next bets are 1 on Black and 5 on Red, I will only bet 4 on Red because all I need to bet is 3 to reach +1. You could go ahead and bet 5 for +2 if you win. It's not so important at the lower numbers, but later you may need like 4 units to reach +1 and your next bet is 15, I would just bet 5 and take less risk.
Give it a try. You'll be surprised at how low your bets stay.
GLC
This works well on DOZ and COL. Two down on win, one up on loss.
On doublestreets 1 up on loss, six down on win. If you bet all streets the saving to zero is much.
On NoZero wheel it does not matter, if you got chips to cover the bets.
It they do not allow to bet all chanses this is a good workaround.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 17, 05:28 PM 2012
For those of you who like double dozens more than even chances, here's a possible bet line:
1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 1-1 2-2 2-2 2-2 2-2 3-3 3-3 4-4 4-4 5-5 6-6 6-6
That's -94 units if you lose the whole line.
The positive part is as follows:
1-1
1-1
2-2
3-3
4-4
5-5
If you lose on the 5-5 bet, you can replay the level.
So, that means you bet 1-1 and win and you have 3 units.
You bet 1-1 again and win and you now have 4 units.
You bet 2-2 and win and you have 6 units.
You bet 3-3 and win and you have 9 units.
You bet 4-4 and win and you have 12 units. (Plus an extra one from the 3-3 win that we didn't use on the 4-4 bet)
You bet 5-5 and win and you have 15 units. (Plus the 2 we didn't use from the 4-4 win and the 1 we didn't use from the 3-3 win)
That gives us 18 units minus our original 2 for a +16 unit win.
I'm going to try this with the system of following LAST DOZ + LAST COL (covers 20 numbers instead of 24, but 16 numbers give 1 unit as a prize and 4 numbers give 4 units) . Trigger for betting here is a virtual win.
Vladir!
If you mean LAST SHOWN I have already done iit.
I bet last shown COL and DOZ . Gain 15 units, some were long, but still working.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 18, 06:02 AM 2012
Vladir!
If you mean LAST SHOWN I have already done iit.
I bet last shown COL and DOZ . Gain 15 units, some were long, but still working.
Do you use the trigger I told? Only bet after a virtual win ? Or you play continuosly?
In this play I just bet the last shown, no other, bet all spins.
This is a really nice progression. Just did a about 100 DBL and won 40 units..very nice I will try some more
Great Stuff GLC I love it I've been working on something for almost a year, it fails continously! I'm a little weird when it comes to losing, the more I lose the more I become enthralled. This is good stuff, what I found was one of the biggest problem with playing roulette seriously you still have to make it fun because once the novelty of your system wears off most systems are complete drugery even if they do win more than they lose. I found myself bored to tears after a few months even though I could win. Make it fun and you found it! lorna dunne
Quote from: GLC on Jul 18, 12:56 AM 2012
I just played a session on betvoyager demo, single zero, even chances, differential betting on R/B
I won +20 units
95 bets
Highest level reached was the 2nd 2.
Largest draw down was -14
Here's how I played.
I'm betting on R and B at the same time.
Betting differentially to negate the zero as much as possible.
Which ever color spun last, it would have been a win, so I begin by betting 1 unit on the losing color and 2 units on the color that won. Let's say Red won and Black lost. I bet 1 unit on Black which is the 2nd 1 in Black's progression because Black just lost the 1st 1 in its progression. I bet 2 units on Red because Red just won its 1st 1 unit bet and is letting it ride for a 2 unit bet.
Since we're betting differentially, I only bet 1 unit on Red and nothing on Black.
Anytime I get back to zero or +1, I reset. I reset to 1 on the color that just lost and 2 on the color that just won. That way we don't have to have a virtual bet of 1 on each to see which we will bet 2 on next.
From here I run each color with its own progression. If I get 4 colors in a row, I usually reach a new high bank and can reset both progressions.
If I am -2 and my next bets are 1 on Black and 5 on Red, I will only bet 4 on Red because all I need to bet is 3 to reach +1. You could go ahead and bet 5 for +2 if you win. It's not so important at the lower numbers, but later you may need like 4 units to reach +1 and your next bet is 15, I would just bet 5 and take less risk.
Give it a try. You'll be surprised at how low your bets stay.
GLC
Yes indeed. I like that way a lot. More testing of this way is needed. Way to go.
Do we win more? I don't think that's for granted. It we are lucky to choose the best color we win more. Now we bet the best and the worse. If may be safer, but I am not sure we win more.
If we bet with one step between the colors we will get
1
12 diff = 1
23 diff = 1
35 diff = 2
51 diff = 4
if we bet one color two steps behind
1
2
3 1 diff = 2
5 2 diff = 3
1 3 diff= 2
2 5 diff = 3
3 1
5 2
When we will never lose 4 at one spin, in progressions that chip will multiply.
Quote from: Ralph on Jul 19, 12:40 PM 2012
If we bet with one step between the colors we will get
1
12 diff = 1
23 diff = 1
35 diff = 2
51 diff = 4
if we bet one color two steps behind
1
2
3 1 diff = 2
5 2 diff = 3
1 3 diff= 2
2 5 diff = 3
3 1
5 2
When we will never lose 4 at one spin, in progressions that chip will multiply.
It is true that if one side doesn't hit 4 in a row, that side's bets will continue to grow.
It is also true that in a same number of spins, you can win more only betting on one color or the other if you picked the right color. My favorite trot on colors can counter that sometimes, but nothing is foolsafe.
Colbster had an interesting concept in that if a side was losing too much, he would switch progressions from one to the other, or something like that. I don't know if it would work on this bet.
I did a test today and had to go a little beyond the posted progression limit. It did recover without getting too far out of line.
This is like all negative progressions. The more bets in your progression line the rarer it is to reach the max, but on the other hand when you do reach it, it can be a knock out punch.
I've been testing a simple positive progression 1-1-2-2-3-3-4-4 to good effect. Move 1 step to the right after each win and move 3 steps to the left after each loss. If you reach the 2nd 4 stay at 4 until you lose once then you can either drop back 3 or all the way to 1 since you have made a decent number of units. Keeps the bets down and helps you control your losses.
I haven't tested this betting on both colors at the same time. Could be interesting.
GLC
Here's the best system I've ever posted, I think.
It's called ROL vs BEH in the Notepad section.
link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=1385.msg12506#msg12506 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=1385.msg12506#msg12506)
We got side-tracked, but to the best of my memory, I never lost with this system. And a lot of that was for real play on an airball machine.
Also, my brother played this a few times and never lost either.
Why did we quit? You have to pay attention because there's a lot of keeping track between spins. It's easy to keep track of, but you have to be like F_LAT_INO and make other players think you're deaf and mute while you're at the table. Total concentration is the name of the game. On your way to the cashier's cage to cash in your winnings you can talk all you want.
If one or two of you get time, give it a test. You can do like F_LAT_INO said in that topic and drop the Hi/Lo bet.
The reason I started betting this way was because there are 10 Red Odd numbers and 10 Black Even numbers, so back then I thought it might make a difference if I bet them. I have come to realize that it gives you no advantage.
Sometimes I try the Guetting progression, its rather difficult to lose much, but on the other hand its rare that's you get a real hit. A couple of times i have been able to follow an EC 12-14 times.
The good thing is the progression do not end if a single of the opposite show.
I end the progression after two loss. If I win twice after a loss I continue.
We always lose the biggest bet twice, but that's the only way to know how far you can go.
More than ten steps progression, if you can jump över one or two singles in the way happens every night at a table.
Regarding the systembetting all EC in difference betting, I have done it, but I mess up the tracking.
Up on loss down on win, playing both red and black I did some years ago, one session ended after a month, and eat very hard on the bankroll. 100 10 cent chips on the table is not much, but 100! is.
I set it so it should be a unit profit a spin, it were a looong boring session, which anyhow gave good profit. I ended it before reching 1 one the table, got about,12000 units in profit, the profit is not obvious when you have much on the table, but as soon the stack shrinks down the pocket fills up.
I think a bad run can go for years or never end, but still possible profit,
I start on black, and if I went down to 1 and won, I count it zero, if the empty spin won I went to opposite color, otherwise stay on the color.
Quote from: GLC on Jul 19, 05:52 PM 2012
We got side-tracked, but to the best of my memory, I never lost with this system. And a lot of that was for real play on an airball machine.
Also, my brother played this a few times and never lost either.
dear George, are you suggesting this progression to use in this system?
thanks.
N.B. any thoughts to transform this nice pogression for sector bets of 9 numbers? thhanks.
Quote from: catalyst on Jul 19, 11:01 PM 2012
dear George, are you suggesting this progression to use in this system?
thanks.
N.B. any thoughts to transform this nice pogression for sector bets of 9 numbers? thhanks.
Catalyst, Nice to hear from you. It's been a while.
I am recommending the "let-it-ride for 1 time" progression line of: 1-1-1-1-2-2-3-4-5-7. That gives you 10 chances to win 2 in a row for a complete recovery. If you lose the whole line it will set you back 27 units but that will be softened by the units being won on the other 2 even chances.
It's tricky keeping track of all 6 even chances. Not hard, but you have to pay attention, completely. Not so difficult, but does take some time. We also have to bet differentially in case a zero hits. We'll save bets on 3 of the even chances that way.
It's because of the busyness of the tracking that people don't like to test this method.
It's worth the effort.
I'll get back to you re: the 9 number progression.
Catalyst, Here's an answer I gave Deepred on a similar question.
Here's a progression that you may like or you may hate.
It's a let-it-ride for 3 streets.
We begin by betting 1 unit on 3 streets. If we win we will have 9 units on the table. We let-it-ride meaning we bet 3 units on each of 3 streets. If we win the let-it-ride bet, we will have 36-9=27 units on the table. Take them.
We just let it ride 1 time.
The progression is here:
3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-3-6-6-6-6-6-9-9-9-12-12-12 etc...
If you lose the above line, you will lose 120 units.
You can carry the bet line out as far as you wish. Just calculate what you have to bet each time to fully recover any time you win 2 in a row. The next bet would be 15 units or 5 units on 3 streets. Multiply 15 X 9 = 135-120=+15 if you win 2 in a row. You can do a 2nd 15X9=135. Now you have to go to 18. Etc...
Catalyst, If you want to play the above way betting on 9 inividual numbers instead of 3 streets, you will start your line with 9 instead of 3. So you bet 1 unit on 9 numbers. If 1 of your numbers hits, you will win 27 units. That's 36-9=27. To let-it-ride 1 time you will bet 3 units on 9 numbers, that's your 27 units. Now if one of the numbers hits it pays 108 units. Since we only have 9 of our own units bet, we take them out of the equation and we have 108-9=+99 units.
Since we're only risking 9 units each time we bet at the 1 level, and we win 99 units, that gives us 11 attempts to win 2 in a row starting with nine 1 unit bets. 12 attempts if you don't mind breaking even if you win a let-it-ride on the 12th try.
You then have to go to 18 which is 2 units on 9 numbers. A win and a let-it-ride here jumps the win amount up pretty high. Since we're dealing with 9 bet locations each time, the progression will climb pretty quickly. But, some of the early wins at a new unit size will also be pretty hefty.
Hope that helps,
George
We must know the chance of winning is not very big, but it will make the day if it hit.
The others round the table will not see the first bet, than they will pay attention, as you win or lose so much. I use to think of those who stake 50 dollar on horse race. You need to pick winning horses in 7 races, and many spend 50 dollar a week on it. The tax and other fees make a "housegde" of 30%. Should you do a similar parlay at a roulette table, most of them should think its a risky if not insane. They are not aware they parlay seven races. 7 horses right can give a lot, but often the favorits low odds make the winnings low. 1,5 x 2 x 3 x1.7....., if not you have little chance to hit them for a stake of 50 dollars.
The truth is a parlay on a roulette table has better odds. At a casino here its one zero and half back on EC if zero.
It you put the minimum at a table which is here around seven dollars on seven numbers, which means you risk around 50 dollars. If you win the first round, you get 36 times 7 dollar, and you can put 28 on each number the second time(pocket a minor winning, and can not lose from now).. If win you have 1008. You now put 144 dollars on the 7 numbers. If you win, tip the dealer and walk home with over 5000 dollars. If you want to take a bigger risk and make more than the day, maybe your life, and have the stomach, switch to the high roller and do a final attempt. The table limit is 500 dollars, you pocket 1500 dollars and play the seven the last time. You walk home with either about 1500 dollars or around 20000 dollars.
Look at the odds, small to get around 20000 dollars, but still possible. It is just 50 dollar we risk. and it is 7/37 we do not lose.
I hope I got the figures right, as I am very sleepy, late night, its morning, and I will sleep a few hours.
The more I test It the more I like this progression. George I would bet 1111111111222222=22units, If I lose it I start from beggining again and recoup
Quote from: Tomla021 on Jul 20, 01:14 PM 2012
The more I test It the more I like this progression. George I would bet 1111111111222222=22units, If I lose it I start from beggining again and recoup
I like that progression, my friend. Might even be able to bet $50 chips with that. :smile:
Quote from: GLC on Jul 19, 11:45 PM 2012
Catalyst, If you want to play the above way betting on 9 inividual numbers instead of 3 streets, you will start your line with 9 instead of 3. So you bet 1 unit on 9 numbers. If 1 of your numbers hits, you will win 27 units. That's 36-9=27. To let-it-ride 1 time you will bet 3 units on 9 numbers, that's your 27 units. Now if one of the numbers hits it pays 108 units. Since we only have 9 of our own units bet, we take them out of the equation and we have 108-9=+99 units.
Since we're only risking 9 units each time we bet at the 1 level, and we win 99 units, that gives us 11 attempts to win 2 in a row starting with nine 1 unit bets. 12 attempts if you don't mind breaking even if you win a let-it-ride on the 12th try.
You then have to go to 18 which is 2 units on 9 numbers. A win and a let-it-ride here jumps the win amount up pretty high. Since we're dealing with 9 bet locations each time, the progression will climb pretty quickly. But, some of the early wins at a new unit size will also be pretty hefty.
Hope that helps,
George
Dear George, thanks a lot. I am now trying to figure out how to match it with my bankroll and bet selection.
Here's another solid bet method that just hit a wall and came to a dead stop.
Go figure! :o
George id imagine there are many gold mines in this forum. People are quick to move onto the nexy
Rich bailey 86 (ghost)
how about adapting this 1,2,3,5 to your mid d/s
I will try it
I changed my alias so I cant be found by google searches
Quote from: RouletteGhost on Oct 29, 10:40 AM 2014
I will try it
I changed my alias so I cant be found by google searches
If 1-2-3-5 is too aggressive for you, you can always adjust to something like 1-2-3 or 1-2-2 or 1-1-2-2, or even 1-2-1. Of course you'll have to change the progression line because it's based on the number of units you win if you win every bet in the positive side of the system.
If you decide to only do 1-2-2 for a total win of 5 units, your negative progression line will be:
If lose Bet size If win
-1 1 +1
-2 1-1 +1
-3 1-2 +1
-4 1-2-1 +1
-5 1-2-2 +1
-7 2-4 +1
-9 2-4-2 +1
-11 2-4-4 +1
-14 3-6-3 +1
-17 3-6-5 +1
-21 4-8-6 +1
-25 5-10-7 +1
-31 6-12-8 +1
etc...
GLC
Hi GLC
Would please explain your original 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8
Does the 1 mean 1-2-3-5
and the 2 mean 2-4-6-10
and so on.
An example would be great.
Many Thanks Koolkat
Quote from: KoolKat on Oct 30, 01:59 AM 2014
Hi GLC
Would please explain your original 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-2-2-2-2-2-3-3-3-3-4-4-4-5-5-6-6-7-7-8
Does the 1 mean 1-2-3-5
and the 2 mean 2-4-6-10
and so on.
An example would be great.
Many Thanks Koolkat
I'm at work Koolkat but will give a short response.
Yes. You're correct. Since we win 11 times our starting number, we can lose 11 times starting with a 1 and then we have to adjust so that if we finish the 4 wins in a row, we'll fully recover all previously lost units.
Per my example, you don't have to always bet all 4 bets in the early stages because you can recover to +1 with less than 1-2-3-5. For example if you have lost 4 attempts at 1 unit, the 5th attempt if you win 1-2-3, that puts you up by +2 so no need to place the 5 unit bet and risk losing 5 of the 6 you've already won. You could actually bet 1-2-2 and still be up by +1 with a win on all 3 bets. But it's your decision.
Also, please note that this is a disguised martingale so beware.
How do you know if something is a martingale? If you fully recover all previous losses on a single win, it's a martingale type bet and succumbs to the same forces a basic martingale does in the long run.
GLC
Here's another quick variation on this progression that adds more safety to the bet.
If lose Bets If Win-always +1
-1 1
-2 1-1
-3 1-1-1
-4 1-1-2
-6 2-2-1
-8 (+1) 2-2-3
-11 3-3-3
-14 3-3-6
-18 (+1) 4-4-7
-23 (+1) 5-5-9
-29 6-6-12
-37 (+2) 8-8-12
-47 (+2) 10-10-18
-59 12-12-24
-74 15-15-30
-93 (+1) 19-19-37
etc...
Note that the numbers in ( ) are what you win, or are still ahead, if you lose the 3rd bet.
I have a mental block on this one. I dont get it. I wish I did though lol