I play most of the time flat bet or using positive progressions.
Try and see results, i my opinion better and safer than negative progressions.
Example in the excel file betting 4 times one dozen , no special bet selection.
Even better results on 9 numbers groups ( inside or ...outside like 3 streets....)
cheers
Very nice. I like how you did that. Positive within a negative progressions are where its at !!
Another session /example
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When start session wait one virtual W
9 bet d1 Virtual play
21 l1
14 l2
2 w virt.
11 bet d1 , 1u
29 l1 -1
25 l2 -2
4 w 0
35 bet d3 , 2u
32 w +4
32 bet d3 , 3u
23 l1 +1
27 w +7 reset
27 bet d3 , 1u
36 w +9
14 bet d2 , 2u
13 w +13
23 bet d2 , 3u
34 l1 +10
32 l2 +7
2 l3 +4
27 l4 +1
29 bet d3 , 2u
36 w +5
16 bet d2 , 3u
36 l1 +2
21 w +8
27 bet d3 , 4u
1 l1 +4
6 l2 0
29 w +8
10 bet d1 , 5u
23 l1 +3
17 l2 -2
0 l3 -7
1 w +3 reset to 1u , safe game
25 bet d3 , 1u
9 l1 +2
17 l2 +1
5 l3 0
6 l4 -1
34 bet d3 , 1u
34 w +1
22 bet d2, 2u
16 w +5
36 bet d3 , 3u
20 l1 +2
29 w +8
23 bet d2 , 4u
29 l1 +4
20 w +12 reset to 1u
9 bet d1
34 l1 +11
34 l2 +10
33 l3 +9
19 l4 +8
28 bet d3 , 1u
19 l1 +7
25 w +9
28 bet d3 , 2u
23 l1 +7
34 w +11
7 bet d1 , 3u
30 l1 +8
12 w +14 reset to 1u
19 bet d2
5 l1 +13
10 l2 +12
12 l3 +11
28 l4 +10
4 bet d1, 1u
11 w +12
1 bet d1 , 2u
12 w +16
0
12 bet d1 , 3u
27 l1 +13
24 l2 +10
35 l3 +7
26 l4 +4
36 bet d3 , 2u
22 l1 +2
29 w +6
34 bet d3 , 3u
28 w +12 reset to 1u, safe game
7 bet d1, 1u
16 l1 +11
34 l2 +10
28 l3 +9
17 l4 +8
24 bet d2 , 1u
34 l1 +7
17 w +9
36 bet d3 , 2u
20 l1 +7
0 l2 +5
1 l3 +3
36 w +7
11 bet d1 , 3u
0 l1 +4
15 l2 +1
5 w +7
20 bet d2 , 4u
31 l1 +3
2 l2 -1
30 l3 -5
20 w +3 reset to 1u
12 bet d1, 1u
34 l1 +2
3 w +4
15 bet d2 , 2u
28 l1 +2
20 w +6
27 bet d3 , 3u
4 l1 +3
20 l2 0
31 w +6
17 bet d2 , 4u
16 w +14 reset to 1u
11 bet d1 , 1u
25 l1 +13
13 l2 +12
2 w +14
36 bet d3 , 2u
3 l1 +12
28 w +16
25 bet d3 , 3u
13 l1 +13
27 w +19 end session
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Another session , this time reset only when new plus in bankroll.
More agressive way.
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9 bet d1 virtual play
21 l1
17 l2
7 w
13 bet d2 , 1u
24 w +2
2 bet d1 , 2u
27 l1 0
6 w +4
2 bet d1, 1u
31 l1 +3
20 l2 +2
2 w +4
17 bet d2 , 2u
28 l1 +2
10 l2 0
32 l3 -2
13 w +2
12 bet d1 , 3u
29 l1 -1
35 l2 -4
10 w +2
16 bet d2, 4u
29 l1 -2
22 w +6 , reset to 1u because new high
20 bet d2 , 1u
6 l1 +5
33 l2 +4
15 w +6
5 bet d1 , 2u
20 l1 +4
27 l2 +2
0 l3 0
7 w +4
30 bet d3 , 3u
35 w + 10 , reset to 1u
18 bet d2 , 1u
4 l1 +9
25 l2 +8
12 l3 +7
36 l4 +6
30 bet d3 , 1u
35 w +8
16 bet d2, 2u
32 l1 +6
18 w +10
6 bet d1 , 3u
7 w +16 reset to 1u
23 bet d2 , 1u
3 l1 +15
20 w +17
1 bet d1 , 2u
19 l1 +15
17 l2 +13
29 l3 +11
14 l4 +9
1 bet d1 , 1u
22 l1 +8
31 l2 +7
30 l3+6
34 l4 +5 STOP (twice L4) wait virt. w
28 bet d3
4 l1
23 l2
28 w virtual
33 bet d3 , 1u
32 w +7
29 bet d3 , 2u
24 l1 +5
23 l2 +3
16 l3 +1
28 w +5
31 bet d3 , 3u
1 l1 +2
35 w +8
1 bet d1, 4u
1 w + 16
25 bet d3 , 5u
10 l1 +11
27 w +21 end session
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Your not getting a lot of replies, but I really like this strategy.
I don't know if it is necessary to go virtual as long as you are not betting on the same dozen that you lost 8 in a row on. That could be a long sleeper dozen. The other 2 are not sleeping at that time.
This strategy takes advantage of a normal strike rate to boost your profits. Which, in turn, could help recover if you start of poorly. I need to look into this more. Thanks for the system.
:thumbsup:
32 you bet doz 3 and.....
16 came and you lost...and..
28...came and you won.
22..is the next time you bet; 2nd doz.
Question: Why did you not use the #28 as a trigger to bet the third dozen? It was the dozen that came. If I had sat down and observed the 28 come, it would have been my trigger. Right?
Your instructions are confusing to me.
Sam
Also, you say to bet the dozen that came 4 times with a positive progression. You do not do that in the first few numbers.
Is there a time to cut off betting? Is that what "reset to 1 after plus" means?
When you win, do you track new?
Sam
Hate to gripe.......
You need to distinguish between a positive balance (which could be +1) and all all time high (which could be anything above +1)
You may have a very good idea here, but I can't understand it.
Sam
In his examples he observes one spin after a win.
l1,l2,l3,l4 --- that is the NUMBER of losses
Some of his examples he plays it "safe" and does not continue to press if he has a tough section or if he wants to stay in the positive balance (your choice).
There is an example where he does continue to press. You don't need to press at the beginning if you are winning flat betting, right?
These rules are whatever you want to make it. As long as his examples are true and not made up, you can see it can be a profitable strategy.
I just did "RNG" example for fun.
I played nothing but the 1st dozen--no virtual--no observing spins.
If I lose 4 in a row, I drop down a unit.
When I win, I immediately raise 1 unit.
I continued to "press" without resetting when in new positive balance.
My balance started out O.K. I was up +22.
The 1st dozen slept for a while dropping to -110.
The 1st dozen stormed back. I was now up +76
I was playing 17 units a spin at this point.
I played around 120 spins in all.
I think with a more conservative approach, I would not have had those wild swings.
**** As long as his examples are true and not made up************
Keel
I certainly did not mean to insinuate that. I just don't understand it.
When you use the word "press", do you mean go up one unit?
Language is very important. Terminology is very important. A doctor says "scalpel" and someone hands him a hammer. Not good........
It seems this game is broken down into four-spin segments--unless something happens; I don't know what!. Not all games go four spins.
Why don't they go four spins?
Is it because......
a. You hit a new all-time high?
b. You hit a high within those four spins?
c. Some other reason?
I realize there may be a language barrier here. Just trying to understand.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 20, 01:48 PM 2012
32 you bet doz 3 and.....
16 came and you lost...and..
28...came and you won.
22..is the next time you bet; 2nd doz.
Question: Why did you not use the #28 as a trigger to bet the third dozen? It was the dozen that came. If I had sat down and observed the 28 come, it would have been my trigger. Right?
Your instructions are confusing to me.
Sam
Hi Sam , sorry for my poor english , it's the 4th language....
In my examples after w or L4 I wait one spin and bet that dozen,
but not really matter the bet selection here can use any ....but
must bet on any active dozen(active ...hit at least once in the last 6 spins),
so in your example yes can bet that dozen 3 ( nr. 28 trigger).
And about reset ...we can reset when reached new high in the bankroll
example was at +5 and won again ...now you are at +6 (or +10) so you
reached a new high , so you can choose
your own next high/target before reset to 1 unit ( examples +1 , or +5 , or +10 ..)
And you can reset to 1 unit also in this situation ( safe play):
for example you was in positive bankroll like +30 but lost and you are at -15,
but finally you won and actual bankroll is 0 , or +1 , or +5 ....now is time
to reset to 1 unit .
Hope this helps.....and if i have time next days i will post
some examples using different bet selections.
cheers
This time i use trigger any dozen that hit at least 2 times in
the last 6 spins.
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14
26
14 trigger d2, bet 1u
32 l1 -1
24 w +1
29 trigger d3, bet 2u
17 l1 -1
34 w +3
18 trigger d2, bet 1u
18 w +5
30 trigger d3, bet 2u
35 w + 9
9 no bet
14 trigger d2, bet 1u
1 l1 +8
24 w +10
0
19 trigger d2, bet 2u
22 w + 14
29 no bet
8 no bet
29 trigger d3, bet 1u
29 w +16
36 trigger d3, bet 2u
4 l1 +14
29 w + 18
30 trigger d3, bet 1u
3 ....so on.....
1
11
15
36
35
26
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Thanks Kattila for this progression. I'm testing it with the simple, FTL bet selection. It works great so far.
BTW, are you not Hungarian?
Salut, szia, hola,
Roumanian and Hungarian also , and i live in Spain .
Quote from: Kattila on Jul 23, 02:16 PM 2012
Salut, szia, hola,
Roumanian and Hungarian also , and i live in Spain .
I'm Hungarian, and live in Ireland. Do you think around 500 units bankroll would be more than enough for this progression?
Hi Irishrob,
Yes 500 units it s ok ,and if you use safe way you don t even need that bankroll , and you must have
your own target and stop-losse.
I had sessions (but playing aggresive way) where i was down more than 200 units and recovered, but
now i prefer the safer way .
cheers
Quote from: Kattila on Jul 24, 05:36 AM 2012
Hi Irishrob,
Yes 500 units it s ok ,and if you use safe way you don't even need that bankroll , and you must have
your own target and stop-losse.
I had sessions (but playing aggresive way) where i was down more than 200 units and recovered, but
now i prefer the safer way .
cheers
Hi kattila. Thank u for sharing.
Test ur first version for real money tonight , my session is so bad, I was down 200u (highest bet is 16u), and ended at -150u, will have another go tmr.
Hi, sorry to hear you had such a bad session...
Did you used the safe way or the aggressive one (because you was betting 16 u)?
Do you was on the positive territory at some point ?
And you made some test before play it for real?
cheers