Thought Steve (or anyone) may be more enthusiastic about giving me a concise reply to this question from a ballistics view point
what are you feelings about Airball? Is it same as Dealer wheel?
I notice this much.
Airball rotates on a motor, its driven round (Dealer wheel free-wheels on its bearing)
Airball changes pitch (the noise of the motor) as the ball slows down to hitting a diamond
Airball fires the ball from the last resting point perfectly (dealer lags left or right by pocket or few either side of the last number, he never releases the ball exactly where he got it from)
Airball are metal. Dealer wheel is wood.
Airball is under a glass cover (dead air) dealer wheel isnt.
Surely this makes a difference
many people play airball online and not only online. I personally see not much difference.
There are various air ball roulettes.
Some of them are ok to apply AP some of them are not.
Quote from: Master_of_pockets on Jul 21, 05:47 PM 2012
There are various air ball roulettes.
Some of them are ok to apply Advantage-play some of them are not.
Mop...so you think we can see a "airball"signature"...kinda thing.
I noticed when observing Airball online, that there is a dominant diamond...even on airball.
i think basically the same patterns are gonna come out on air-ball wheel as on any other live wheel. If u know what to do with a dealer live wheel, then u know what to do with a sling-shot. And vise versa.
See....I am very suspicious about absolutly everything.
Live wheel online......52 seconds between the ball leaving the dealers hand
Airball......119 seconds.
Why would the casino give you 27 more seconds. Every detail is addressed in a Casino to be in their favour.
They give you nearly half a minute more on airball
I think this is a good point to raise
Which casino is it?
If you play airball at land casino the easiest to beat is alfastreet, it can be found in the UK, and it can be beaten with belgrade roulette system called the evil eyes (system is based on VB).
Quote from: iggiv on Jul 21, 06:21 PM 2012
Which casino is it?
Will Hill Igg.....
They definatly. deliberatly give you more time on airball
Quote from: speed on Jul 21, 06:53 PM 2012
If you play airball at land casino the easiest to beat is alfastreet, it can be found in the UK, and it can be beaten with belgrade roulette system called the evil eyes (system is based on VB).
Is this documented anywhere Speed .....Id like to read.
Quote from: speed on Jul 21, 06:53 PM 2012
If you play airball at land casino the easiest to beat is alfastreet, it can be found in the UK, and it can be beaten with belgrade roulette system called the evil eyes (system is based on VB).
Hi Speed! Could you please give a link on that system? Tryed in Google but did not find it. Thanks
I do not know anything about this you can read on the internet, but Ritz Casino has lost 1.3 million because of this system on normal wheel, on alfastreet it is much easier.
One thing I have leaned in my compulsive obsessive micro world in my head is that the scratch is never itched. I think VB is a load of old balony. Due to the fact that I am usually wrong, I will take an active interest in the subject. How can i dismiss something I havnt got the first idea about.
I have looked at steves site and looked at many youtube vids on the subject.
may as well try and understand all aspects.
BUT.....i still think that casinos would not introduce the slingshot unless they could weald an advantage that they just cant get from the human dealer and lump of carved wood.
Hence.....my post.
please elaborate. The casino and their endevours to cancell aout punter advantage is a fascinating subject.
All video clips with VB methods that can be found on the Internet are very basic, they just can not functional because they need very large tilt and many time before NMBC and that can not be found in today's casinos. There are some more complex VB methods but they can not be find on the internet for free, but even for them you need to have a great skill to be able to apply in real casino conditions. For the evil eyes i can guaranteed that work on alfastreet with medium skill.
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jul 21, 06:17 PM 2012
See....I am very suspicious about absolutly everything.
Live wheel online......52 seconds between the ball leaving the dealers hand
Airball......119 seconds.
Why would the casino give you 27 more seconds. Every detail is addressed in a Casino to be in their favour.
They give you nearly half a minute more on airball
I think this is a good point to raise
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in that case the airball is actually a casino safe guard....you have less spins / hr.... you take less from the casino.......
vundarosa
PM me and i will help you out with some visual ballistics.
In return i want Country, name of casino and a map with where the wheel is located in the casino.
Don't post about visual ballistics in public any more - as i have just open up my own forum.
But you can make a quick test with some simple measuring wish is not so advance.
Take data from ball in cw direction and rotor at ccw direction.
Check if rotor speed change during spin.
Check how many vertical deflectors hit.
How to check rotor speed at beginning and end of spin.
Note zero above one vertical deflector and count 123123123 and note wish number is below deflector at beginning of spin and at end of spin.
If you get the same number then the rotor speed is constant - if not then the rotor speed change during spin and you can skip that wheel regarding visual ballistic solutions.
See if you can get 2 to 3 vertical deflectors hit 789 times out of 10 during 30 to 40 spins.
If not then you can skip that wheel.
If you get does conditions correct i can show you how to aim for the high probability are where the ball will end up for each spin.
Cheers
Quote from: ego on Jul 25, 12:27 PM 2012
If you get does conditions correct i can show you how to aim for the high probability are where the ball will end up for each spin.
Cheers
Hi ego!
Will you show your method on the public forum or sending to PM only?
Thanks ego
Before i pm, are we still on airball here or are we talking real wheel. Its just that the thread was initially airball.
It works on real wheel and air ball wheel if conditions are correct.
Not changing rotor.
2 to 3 pin game.
Allow to place bets 8 to 10 seconds after ball has been spun.
If not then you can skip that wheel.
Quote from: ego on Jul 28, 01:43 AM 2012
It works on real wheel and air ball wheel if conditions are correct.
Not changing rotor.
2 to 3 pin game.
Allow to place bets 8 to 10 seconds after ball has been spun.
If not then you can skip that wheel.
As i quote you need does conditions.
Degree of tilt is very important and the largest spreed is three active vertical deflectors that hit 789 times out of 10 for 30 to 40 spins to have a valid situation.
Then you would use the last vertical deflector as your reference deflector or main focus pin (next to the last one slepping)
You should only play when ball is cw and rotor ccw.
That way the ball no matter wish deflectors it hit will donate ball jumps and scatter into the same high probability area.
To rap it up you take distance using visual ballistic solution to get A to B + scatter ...
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Quote from: turnerfeck on Jul 21, 06:17 PM 2012
See....I am very suspicious about absolutly everything.
Live wheel online......52 seconds between the ball leaving the dealers hand
Airball......119 seconds
.Why would the casino give you 27 more seconds. Every detail is addressed in a Casino to be in their favour.
They give you nearly half a minute more on airball
I think this is a good point to raise
hi im a bit baffled where you get 119 seconds from ? what site, casino are you talking about
on
William Hill live casino on their auto SLINGSHOT wheel you only get about 25 seconds to place your bets,
Cheers
Quote from: downthehatch on Jul 30, 03:09 AM 2012
hi I'm a bit baffled where you get 119 seconds from ? what site, casino are you talking about
on William Hill live casino on their auto SLINGSHOT wheel you only get about 25 seconds to place your bets,
Cheers
Sorry...i basically meant why are there less spins per hour on airball than real dealer.
There is more time to place bets also. Ill time that tonight. Im on the android right now...hence my usual bad spelling and lower case/upper case errors
Quote from: turnerfeck on Jul 30, 04:44 AM 2012
Sorry...i basically meant why are there less spins per hour on airball than real dealer.
There is more time to place bets also. Ill time that tonight. I'm on the android right now...hence my usual bad spelling and lower case/upper case errors
hi,
i think you will find you get nearly 80 spins per hour, it says a spin every 45 seconds. I cannot see how VB could be used the ball whizzes around as many as 20 times after no more bets.
also the same wheel is used by Paddy power and i think other live camargue air ball casino sites, just as the same live dealers are used from one of those baltic states
Cheers
Alfastreet 60 sec exactly,it does 18 to 24 revolutions,and after exactly 12 revolutions
it says -no more bets.
Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 02, 02:40 PM 2012
Alfastreet 60 sec exactly,it does 18 to 24 revolutions,and after exactly 12 revolutions
it says -no more bets.
I have never observed that as before i didn't had knowledge and skills for VB, but now I do...
And many said that on airball machines NMB are very early (so i forgett about that possibility) but if you say after 12 out of 18-24 is NMB then it is not too early.. If machine would let NMB 6-8 revolutions to the end that it is doable.
I think in our country they don't maintain wheel so often and good and it should be some DD, after all it isnt so hard to find even on better modern wheels...
I ll check this up and let you know.
Cheers
Drazen
Paddypower you can place your bet up to the second the Dealer spins the ball, it can be good if you bet Vois or Tier maybe Orph if you get a good read on a Dealer. They change every 28 minutes. The wheel never changes direction though most of them spin Hard for 3 then soft for 3. Not all obviously. Its great when you get a good read on a Dealer. Nothing, to me, is better !
Quote from: Twisteruk on Sep 30, 02:25 PM 2012
Paddypower you can place your bet up to the second the Dealer spins the ball, it can be good if you bet Vois or Tier maybe Orph if you get a good read on a Dealer. They change every 28 minutes. The wheel never changes direction though most of them spin Hard for 3 then soft for 3. Not all obviously. Its great when you get a good read on a Dealer. Nothing, to me, is better !
Im gonna say Will Hill again...so brace yerself!
Can you store tiers...orps etc in presets like Will Hill?
Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 05:13 PM 2012
I'm gonna say Will Hill again...so brace yerself!
Can you store tiers...orps etc in presets like Will Hill?
You can choose to bet them but Im not sure if you can store them. I cant log in to find out coz Im banned lol
Paddypower I just use the 'Race Track' for my last second bet
you can buy,,,about 20000 euro one automatic roulete... and make all the test... at my own i have...10 rotor speed and 10 ball airgun speed.. and rulette chose in secret the combination.... all the sistems electonical... pc... on automatic roulete is for do not rubbering...for make the play calculate the bet pay money... the time interval for the game is posibil to adjust betwin 20-200 seconds---for no mor bets 1-30 second..... a lot of adjust.... but in 5 years of testing no conclusion.... i am still the same
Some say air ball is more random than a dealer spun wheel. I have to agree with what i have heard , i have seen things on air ball happen what i have not seen on a dealer spun wheel which makes me think air ball is a little harder to win with compared to dealer wheel.
Thanks for share it. In case you participate in airball in property on line casino easy and simple to be able to beat will be alfastreet, the item is located in the British isles, as well as it can be survived having Belgrade roulette system termed this bad eyes.
Airball cheats - Go to wheel maker Cammergh's site & look at their 360RRS model & the demo video & you'll see why. When you get on the site go to PRODUCT & follow it from there. Cammergh auto wheels & real wheels are in lots of casinos around the world
A lot on airball/auto wheel stuff has already been discussed on other threads. Airball may look like real roulette but in fact it ain't. They are EGM's = Electronic Gaming Machines & have computer manipulated ball & rotor speed control to avoid bets & so the casino wins & players lose more often.
Like on slots, not everybody loses just the majority but I suppose it's like that on real wheels too ? I see a lot of dumb bets in casinos no matter what game it is.