Hello
I am pausing my posting on my "Holy Thingy" thread and starting this one, as this is pure testing and not an explanation. Well, maybe a small explanation!
THE GOAL.......To determine if it is possible to wait for 10 unique numbers and bet for X number of times for profits. When X is exceeded by losers, (the run from hell) the goal becomes to split the loss into four parts (maybe three) and recoup the loss by dodging the run from hell.
In the simulated graph below let ------------represent 1,000 spins and 0 represent the run from hell.
---------------0---------------0-------------0--------------0-------------0------------0
This idea works almost well enough to forget the RFH and just bet for profits straight out, but I want more.
IMAGINE.........that the RFH cost you 30 units. That is your loss/trailing loss limit. We shall say we want to recover that in four wins. We are hoping the wins come somewhere between the 0s.
WHAT I INTEND TO DO:
Run the bot for days on end, looking for approximately where the 0 comes. Then I shall set the bot for a cut-off at X. I will then try to insert my manual runs into the scheme of things by letting BV run in auto mode for a few hundred spins. Hopefully, I will begin betting at one of the many, many attempts which end in a win.
If that fails, I'm not sure of the next step.
HAVE TO TESTIFY............Some of this idea must be credited to AMK, warrior and JL as what I'm doing is "jumping the bet up" at some point and "jumping it back" at another. Sort of "Hit and Run". I will list all the math as I go.
This thread is as much for me to refer back to--as I forget what I'm doing--as it is to bloviate!
I've been f*ar*ting around with roulette for years. This may be the best lazy-man's way to dinner money I've ever seen.
A bot will have to be built. Or bought. Or stolen.
Samster
Here is my first test. Had a very good trot; no RFH. Low was around 15u. Made almost 19u
IMAGINE: You have four attempts that must not go the same or longer than your longest in this graph. What are the odds you would have picked exactly the same spin to start on. You must count each little tiny spike downward where it only went so small an amount down that it hardly shows.
Second try. Still no RFH.
Samy boy,
Like it and reminds me of something am presently testing with inside numbers.
As soon as get the time will closely look into it.
Thank you, Mr. F!
OK, got the RFH.......
Now I will work to find a way to get around it.
so this is only betting when you have 10 unique numbers ?
What qualifies as 10 unique numbers?
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10. ?
or,
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.9.8.10 ?
So are you looking for 10 uniques without a repeat, or 10 uniques skipping over repeats?
Good idea to skip over repeats if you ask me, not that you did.
So skip over the repeats, get your 10 uniques, then if the next result is one of your 10, place a bet on your 10. If it wins keep betting the same 10 until it loses. If it loses, place a new bet on the next 10 uniques, after a repeat of course, etc.
Once you have 10 uniques you are essentially waiting for the next spin to repeat one of the 10. If it doesn't then you add in the most recent result, and drop off the furthest back result. So you don't bet until your current 10 uniques repeats.
Just trying to help.
I trust repeaters rather than sleeping numbers.
I use to play on numbers just shown should repeat.
This time I inspired from you select them different.
Spinning (a cent on an EC) until a repeat, and chose the repeater and
the numbers between.
Played using 1 cent on a ZERO table at BV.
(No tax on winnings).
This were hitting nice, and they use to do it, it is
very fast winnings as well.
There are RFH at rare times, I use to stop
after losing 1000 chips, but sometimes I struggle
to the end, and it can be thrilling, and a bankroll
of 10000 or more in risk.
The recover speed is quite fast, so a stop loss
with 1000 i think have sense.
0.01 and 0.1 chips will not reach to the table limit, 0.5 and higher can do.
(once I were close to table limit with 0.1, but I should have stopped far before
went OK, but could been expensive).
I save the bet in BV so I can add the chips easy.
This play is done today.
between 33
32 8 29 15 19 23.
first spin 32 hit.
between 27
34 30 20 4 31 9 1 32 27
show 33 22 4 third hit
between 27
7 4 22 33 27.
6 31 26 17 16 2 12 30 15 15 12 26 3 27 hit but still back
19 5 3 22 hit on plus.
between 3
5 19 27 3
22 11 20 24 9 22 31 32 35 5 hit on plus.
between 22
9 24 20 11 22
31 32 35 5 4 31 19 9 hit on plus.
between 31
32 35 5 4 31
19 9 20 16 1 1 26 18 31 hit on plus
between 26
18 31 36 26
2 15 15 18 hit on plus
between 18
31 36 26 2 15 15
27 33 3 30 15 hit on plus
between 15
18 27 33 3 30 15 (all in same col.)
35 36 16 27 hit on plus.
between 16
27 8 14 16
18 17 23 0 4 5 20 22 5 26 4 11 16 hit on plus
between 16
8 12 19 17 27 16
15 17 hit on plus.
between 17
27 16 15 17
16 hit on plus.
between 16
15 17 16
11 2 14 21 24 5 28 11 2 15 hit on plus.
Check the plus, some chips!!!
I use 1 cent chips
Quote from: Skakus on Jul 24, 03:05 AM 2012
What qualifies as 10 unique numbers?
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10. ?..............THIS
or,
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.9.8.10 ?
So are you looking for 10 uniques without a repeat, or 10 uniques skipping over repeats?
Good idea to skip over repeats if you ask me, not that you did.
So skip over the repeats, get your 10 uniques, then if the next result is one of your 10, place a bet on your 10. If it wins keep betting the same 10 until it loses. If it loses, place a new bet on the next 10 uniques, after a repeat of course, etc.
Once you have 10 uniques you are essentially waiting for the next spin to repeat one of the 10. If it doesn't then you add in the most recent result, and drop off the furthest back result. So you don't bet until your current 10 uniques repeats.
NO.........I wait for 10 unique and then bet those ten. Lose? Bet 11. Lose? Bet 12......and so on.
Thanks for the input.
Sam
Just trying to help.
Ralph
That's a darn good idea. Not what I'm testing at current, but a darn good idea. I will study on it.
Thanks....
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This is last night's run while I caught a few ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZs. 'Bout ready to begin the study of where to cut off and how to recover.
Sam
EDIT: Seems in 3,000 spins, I always make very close to E20. This means to me that things are happening very consistently--wins and loses.
I did one play, so it is not well tested. I ask mysellf, if the repeters hit, why stop with 23 units, GO ON and I did ups and a bit down, ended with 2700 units max bet were 156.
Hitting about 17 times (did not record) I got 9 numbers on the table.
Now to investigate if we stop in a good run, just because we are on a minor plus.
I am going to set my stop-loss at 26E and try to win that back in four tries.
Math: 9,000 spins and one RFH. Odds of hitting RFH in four tries with 9.000 spins to work from ......9,000/4=2,250. The chances of me just landing on a RFH while in recovery is 2,250 to 1.
I'll try it with four, but may go to six.
Are ya excited?
Sam
(No Trolling)
beware, I got some drinks playing the system (1,2,3,0) without glasses, and Ya a bit pIIst.
I am use to max 10 Euro on a number as NOZero has, and as my play went good, I was thinking the game will be my stop, as soon it reach 10 Euro the prompt will come, I was not aware of the zero wheel, which I not have been used much. I saw 1278 Euro, but in my mind it were 12.78 . I went on. I got god hits, add another chip each time, more or less, sometimes I may have shaken my hands so it may be 0-3 addition each bet. Suddenly I saw the maxbet on zero-table IS NOT 10 Euro, via the figures on the account. Now it was not 269,01 rather 26901, as the do not always show the last zero digit.
I have got such a winning before, about three years ago at roulette express, some other may have got a large winnings, and they cut down the maxbet, This time they try to make No Zero less attractive with new rules, the reason I moved to Zero Wheel.
In the most cases its good to know the rules, but not always.
Remind me of Dubinbet when I playing a bit drunk, hitting by misstake MAXBET, and during the spin I thought my bankroll were lost, as the close the game before I was able to correct,I won.
So much work I spend in beating the wheel, and have done best drunk. It is an angel sitting there?
Who rules the outcome????
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 24, 11:42 AM 2012
I am going to set my stop-loss at 26E and try to win that back in four tries.
Math: 9,000 spins and one RFH. Odds of hitting RFH in four tries with 9.000 spins to work from ......9,000/4=2,250. The chances of me just landing on a RFH while in recovery is 2,250 to 1.
I'll try it with four, but may go to six.
Are ya excited?
Sam
Terrible error! 2,250-1 is all wrong. I need to count the actual number of betting trots instead of the number of spins. I am going to use six as $4.35 is easy to manage.
Let's guess it at 100-1.
Sam
Recovered from the first RFH with no problem.
Broke it down into six segments. Takes a while as it is manual play, but it's worth it.
Sam
Ho hum...........
Same ol' winnin' trot.........
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 25, 07:05 AM 2012
Ho hum...........
Same ol' winnin' trot.........
Looks very interesting Sam. I guess the only realistic way to play it is with a bot.
Too bad we can't tweak it some way to shrink everything down.
George
Shrink? Maybe we could put it under cool water. That used to work for me!
George, this would be a simple bot. Any competent bot-builder could build it.
But before we go flukey, let me test it more. If it's good, it'll be good in a month, year, decade from now.
Sam
B-O-R-I-N-G!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 25, 07:23 PM 2012
B-O-R-I-N-G!
Take your time Sam. Your drawdowns aren't that crazy, so it for sure has merit. And, I like your idea of recovering a loss in 6 or so attempts.
George
This evening I mixed the bot a rum and coke. Works much better. Just hate the singing!!
NOT 10 NUMBERS NOW, BUT 12 UNIQUE. MAY GO BACK TO 10.
I finally hit the wall with the 12 unique test. The graph is the first one. I have ran several of my sessions with around 3,000 spins each and found that even with at stop loss of 30E I still always came out in the the black with no recovery.
The first graph shows the RFH and still was a 2.65E profit for the 3700+ spins.
The second graph is of a file I call the Monster Batch as it is all the runs I did with Super-Roulette at BV. The largest draw-down was 365E.
Sam
i can do a bot but not until next month because i am quite busy with other stuff
I need to test more; study more.
Just letting you who are interested know-----------
This idea seems to have merit. I have had to pause running the robot because BV now throws up a "cannot connect to server" message about every 700 spins. Even playing manually......
I have tried it at 5 numbers, then 8, then 10 and finally 12. At five, there are hundreds of "tries" each being a progression, you see. As you increase the number of uniques, the "tries" taper off markedly. By 12 you have so few "tries" that you're chances of hitting the wall during the recovery are far too great. I'm leaning toward 8 as a happy medium.
Still, from time to time, it will lose. I am trying to determine what to do when it loses--continue or just write that one off.
And--at some time--I must bite the proverbial bullet and test BV will real money to see if they are cheating. I have strong reasons to believe they are fair, but I can't prove it.
Sam
THIS TEST IS ONGOING...............
People
I had a thought: What if BV is letting me win with their RNG? So I'm using a totally different set up and running the bot for over 3,000 spins per trot. I then run the numbers with the "Uniques", be it 5, 8, 10 or whatever. That way they could not have sent numbers to make me win.
When the study is over, I'll post a complete set of rules. I think I'll call it "Dodging the Devil".
I'm finding the law of the thirds is pretty reliable after all.
Sam
i'm still following and waiting :)
Thanks................
Someone posted an idea about playing for five colors in a row. He asked **how often does that happen? What are the odds of you starting play at exactly the right time?**
I am basing my idea on that. Each trot has a couple of "devils" that will end your session in a loss. There are two or three devils in X number of attempted progressions. I don't know what X is yet.
But if it were one in a hundred, that means you would dodge the devil with a 99-1 chance of winning.
But it may be three or four. Study will tell
Thanks for your interest. If this works, there would have to be a consortium of like-minded fools to create a bot.
Sam
Well, AMK claiming I think I'm perfect notwithstanding, I have really franked up.
This system is either a whole lot better than I thought it was or it really tanks. I have just learned that what I'm seeing on my robot chart is not real. I have no idea why.
I must go through some files by hand and see what the real truth is. Days of work may go down the drain. Well, they can join the others who have also gone that way.
Sam
Good news if anyone gives a flip...........
I've learned my robotic graphing tool graphs the winning bet as if it were a loser. In other words, how much bank did you need? Not how much bank did you lose.
This changes things remarkably for the better but means all I've done so far is flawed.
Will start over.
Sam
TOTAL FAILURE
Does the word "Phoenix" ring a bell?
thats the bird covered with flames that always rises from his ashes :xd:
I might have something yet.......
Don't change that channel!!
For those of you who don't either think I'm perfect or silly............
You might take a look at this graph. I know it's only 100,000 spins plus, but that's a pretty good start--don't you think?
The three red lines are where the file ended while in a progression. We cannot be sure what would happen there. It might win or lose. Just part of the mystery
I play manually. so i do a lot less spins, hoping I will never reach the bad hole in my life!
Ralph
This is only my opinion; I have not been up the mountain!
You can never dodge the run from hell, only be prepared to deal with it when it comes. Not if it comes; it will!
This is what I am attempting to do here. Set a loss limit that can be overcome, but not one so small as to limit profits. The above graph went down a maximum of 89.39 units. Playing pennies that's not bad. Dimes would make you pucker. Dollars? Fugetaboutit.
Somewhere between one and five pennies is my goal for real money play.
Yes, I did play for real last night. Earned 1.39 Euro. Draw down...4.5 or so.
Sam
I test a 2doz method, got easy 500 units in some hours. The progression goes not high, but anyhow after a long run of losses I was down over 200. I recovered that. You are right its pennies as ground, but it will be sometimes quite a few at stake.
I have been down some times, and stop loss is OK, but not too early if you gone to make it.
I feel it is sometimes not working, then stop and do something else, it may go better next day.
I am up now 600, but I may stop use the method, as despite it has make some winnings, it is of the edge to a big loss.
OK, probably the last graph I'll bore you with..............
1,800,000+ real money spins from BV from about two years ago when I was testing Super-Roulette.....
Biggest actual money draw down...around 100
Biggest total draw down (red dot to red dot) around 400
Profit..1200..
I totally realize that most people, me included, want to know what is going to happen in the next ten spins, not the next ten thousand...but..it didn't cost a lot to test this and take it or leave it.
I waited for 11 unique spins and bet for the next 10 spins. That's all there is to it.......
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jul 26, 11:29 PM 2012NOT 10 NUMBERS NOW, BUT 12 UNIQUE.
Before my time on forums, i did some on 12 unique so guess these ideas do come round.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 01:27 PM 2012I'm finding the law of the thirds is pretty reliable after all.
Now thats great to read. LOTT goes hand in hand with countback
Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 07:34 PM 2012I waited for 11 unique spins and bet for the next 10 spins. That's all there is to it.......
big M i must be walking in Sams shadow, said to Badger watch the 10 spins in next 10 spins, feels weird seeing this topic, but guess that humans will make the same ideas at sometime, hopefully with the tweek that makes it a winner.
multi-player about 10:45am
Well TCS, betting last 10 spins, we can see the wins in blue, spins 21-30 i could bet for another 7 spins on FOBT, but will never know.
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Now the sshhhh part
1st 10 ends 10/10, -92
2nd 10 ends 8/10, +30 remember up'd to 2 units
3rd 10 ends 8/10, +52
4th 10 ends 8/10, +42 so +32 new high so chip down or go to another table, but make the right decision
TCS countback and LOTT
Sugs and Aurora just 1 bankroll