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Title: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 11:54 AM 2012

--You can send me any session-real dealer,no online casinos,over 300 spins
and I will show you how each one wins.My BR 1000 ch......SAM it can be done.
Didn't have intentions to do this but had a bet with a guy that 90% of the sessions will win,in
other words 9 of 10...most probably all 10....Would appreciate your help here.Thanks.

--Btw-same method will be used on each session.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Drazen on Aug 03, 11:58 AM 2012

I can help if you need help dear mr. B

I have already posted 10 sessions of wiesbaden some time ago when you asked. If you need more just say so.

So please, lets see how that wins?

Regards

Drazen

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:13 PM 2012

F

A few years ago I watched and recorded 5,000 live spins from various casinos. They were from a real wheel--not the Playtech, but the other one. (Dang brain freeze!)

Anyway, there are fifty pages in my files with 100 numbers each.

So these fellers won't think I'm sending you information we agreed upon, I would ask some other person to name four numbered sheets between one and fifty and I will scan and post them.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: D1 on Aug 03, 12:14 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 11:54 AM 2012
--You can send me any session-real dealer,no online casinos,over 300 spins
and I will show you how each one wins.My BR 1000 ch......SAM it can be done.
Didn't have intentions to do this but had a bet with a guy that 90% of the sessions will win,in
other words 9 of 10...most probably all 10....Would appreciate your help here.Thanks.

--by the way-same method will be used on each session.

Hi F_LAT_INO

which method will be used ?

Thanks

D1

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 12:18 PM 2012

Quote from: drazen_cro on Aug 03, 11:58 AM 2012
I can help if you need help dear mr. B

I have already posted 10 sessions of wiesbaden some time ago when you asked. If you need more just say so.

So please, lets see how that wins?

Regards

Drazen

You first and be done so.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 12:19 PM 2012

Quote from: D1 on Aug 03, 12:14 PM 2012
Hi F_LAT_INO

which method will be used ?

Thanks

D1

Always same,just send a session and you will find out.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 03, 12:20 PM 2012

Im definitely interested if you can handle a volume FLAT ;D

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 12:20 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:13 PM 2012
F

A few years ago I watched and recorded 5,000 live spins from various casinos. They were from a real wheel--not the Playtech, but the other one. (Dang brain freeze!)

Anyway, there are fifty pages in my files with 100 numbers each.

So these fellers won't think I'm sending you information we agreed upon, I would ask some other person to name four numbered sheets between one and fifty and I will scan and post them.

Sam

Thanks Sam,waiting for a session.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 12:22 PM 2012

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 03, 12:20 PM 2012
I'm definitely interested if you can handle a volume FLAT ;D

Thanks Rob....you are second to be done.......lets do Drazen first.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:32 PM 2012

1st 100

These are from the Microgaming wheel.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: hanshuckebein on Aug 03, 12:32 PM 2012

there ya go. :)

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:36 PM 2012

2nd hundred

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:40 PM 2012

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 12:42 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:32 PM 2012
1st 100

These are from the Microgaming wheel.

Sam

Same mate I need 300/or more/spins in continuation,as at the start am having
virtual spins after that continuing bet.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:43 PM 2012

and 400

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 12:44 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:36 PM 2012
2nd hundred

ARE THOSE 3 FROM THE SAME OR SEPARATE PLAY.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:44 PM 2012

Opps! They are 100 at a trot.

Sorry.....

I'm out......

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:44 PM 2012

They are all different..even different days.

Sorry

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 12:45 PM 2012

Quote from: hanshuckebein on Aug 03, 12:32 PM 2012
there ya go. :)

You are third to be done hans.....one daily...can't do it faster.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: hanshuckebein on Aug 03, 01:04 PM 2012

thanks man.

I really appreciate your effort and the time you invest. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

cheers

hans

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Nickmsi on Aug 03, 01:15 PM 2012

Hello Ivica . . .

Attached 1000 spins from a Live German Casino . . .

Good Luck and as always, thanks for your help.

Nick

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: D1 on Aug 03, 01:18 PM 2012

here you go F

sorry cant attach file for some reason but here are 300 live spins

D1

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Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 01:21 PM 2012

Yes, I second that compliment.

FLAT, we do appreciate all the time you spend making those neat Excel charts. I'd just do it my scribbly handwriting.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 01:28 PM 2012

Quote from: Nickmsi on Aug 03, 01:15 PM 2012
Hello Ivica . . .

Attached 1000 spins from a Live German Casino . . .

Good Luck and as always, thanks for your help.

Nick

I can tell you now I will only do 301 spins....too much for hand work...and after I reveal the method you can continue with 699 spins.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 01:31 PM 2012

Quote from: D1 on Aug 03, 01:18 PM 2012
here you go F

sorry can't attach file for some reason but here are 300 live spins

D1

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--SORRY BUT DON'T ACCEPT THAT---such rules regarding my bet----and only excel numbers to make
my job easir.......SAME FOR YOU SAM MATE,PUT IT IN EXCEL....no offence pls.
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Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: D1 on Aug 03, 01:34 PM 2012

Sorry F

I cant seem to upload an excel sheet I thought you could copy and paste

I'll try it again tomorow

D1

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 01:36 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 12:44 PM 2012
Opps! They are 100 at a trot.

Sorry.....

I'm out......

Sam

-WHY OUT SAM....pick up any you want from live casino and send me excel.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 01:38 PM 2012

Frankly, Sir, I don't know how!! I have no links to permanances.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Nickmsi on Aug 03, 01:43 PM 2012

Ivica and Sam . . .

I have lots of live spins on file so if you will allow me to attach 304 Live Spins on behalf of Sam, then here they are.

Nick

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 02:01 PM 2012

OK by me!

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: hanshuckebein on Aug 03, 02:17 PM 2012

@sam

link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv (link:://:.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/index.php?id=82&view=archiv)

there you can find tons of live spins from a german casino in wiesbaden.

cheers

hans

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 02:18 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 03, 02:01 PM 2012
OK by me!

ok by me...it is yours session Sam....one daily....now 3/4 of Drazen finished tonight first results,
bit OG bit this.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 04:14 PM 2012

Here Drazen session......300 spins 81 +
Complete session......................... 188+

Can't reveal a method as yet,but have left a clue,as you can see yellow squers
on each 5th spin,which means cycle of 5.....flat bet didn't count but think it is about even.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 04:27 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 04:14 PM 2012
Here Drazen session......300 spins 81 +
Complete session......................... 188+

Can't reveal a method as yet,but have left a clue,as you can see yellow squers
on each 5th spin,which means cycle of 5.....flat bet didn't count but think it is about even.

---just checked up E/C score----won 191---lost 214.........but wit cycles 5 come in plus at the end,
same on 300 spins.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 03, 04:33 PM 2012

very interesting as always.
hope you explain the rules later :thumbsup:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 04:42 PM 2012

Quote from: RFMAXX on Aug 03, 04:33 PM 2012
very interesting as always.
hope you explain the rules later :thumbsup:

--yes but when finish 10 sessions....You didn't send any......live dealer in excel so I don't have
to rewrite numbers,pls.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 03, 04:49 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 04:42 PM 2012
--yes but when finish 10 sessions....You didn't send any......live dealer in excel so I don't have
to rewrite numbers,please.

i know it will win. just waiting for the rules. ;)
but i am patient. thx anyway for the work.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: jarabo002 on Aug 03, 04:55 PM 2012

From Casino de Torrelodones in Madrid.

Courtesy of my friends Alfonso and Sergio.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 05:01 PM 2012

Quote from: RFMAXX on Aug 03, 04:49 PM 2012
i know it will win. just waiting for the rules. ;)
but i am patient. thanks anyway for the work.

--Never mind about knowing....just send a session as I need it...must have 10 all together.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 05:02 PM 2012

Quote from: jarabo002 on Aug 03, 04:55 PM 2012
From Casino de Torrelodones in Madrid.

Courtesy of my friends Alfonso and Sergio.

THANKS....WILL DO 300-350 SPINS

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: MrJ on Aug 03, 06:55 PM 2012

"Can't reveal a method as yet,but have left a clue,as you can see yellow squers
on each 5th spin,which means cycle of 5" >>> I respect you buddy *BUT* I'm not sure Steve and myself are real big on CLUES being handed out, just sayin.

Ken

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 04, 05:54 AM 2012

Quote from: MrJ on Aug 03, 06:55 PM 2012
"Can't reveal a method as yet,but have left a clue,as you can see yellow squers
on each 5th spin,which means cycle of 5" >>> I respect you buddy *BUT* I'm not sure Steve and myself are real big on CLUES being handed out, just sayin.

Ken

No worry,am not selling anything,nor do I bait for anything....just simple challenge/money btw/with
a guy and need 10 different sessions to prove that will win 9/10....that's all,and at the end the method shall be revealed.Simple as that.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: D1 on Aug 04, 06:08 AM 2012

Here you go F_LAT_INO

300 live spins for you attached

D1

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Drazen on Aug 04, 06:46 AM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 03, 04:14 PM 2012
Here Drazen session......300 spins 81 +
Complete session......................... 188+

Can't reveal a method as yet,but have left a clue,as you can see yellow squers
on each 5th spin,which means cycle of 5.....flat bet didn't count but think it is about even.

Thanks

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 04, 02:16 PM 2012

Rob,
Your session finished,won 144....but to tired to do all....did to spin 350/that is max.for my bet/
and will post all,your and other sessions,when finish all 10.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: donik7777 on Aug 04, 02:43 PM 2012

Thanks so much FLAT!
Appreciate for your effort.
Good luck. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 04, 03:56 PM 2012

Quote from: donik7777 on Aug 04, 02:43 PM 2012
Thanks so much FLAT!
Appreciate for your effort.
Good luck. :thumbsup:

Send any seesion over 300 spins in excel...must be live dealer...

Huns,you next

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Wally Gator on Aug 04, 04:12 PM 2012

Are you willing to accept live spins from the double 0 wheel from your American friends?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: jarabo002 on Aug 04, 04:17 PM 2012

Another one

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 04, 04:38 PM 2012

Quote from: Wally Gator on Aug 04, 04:12 PM 2012
Are you willing to accept live spins from the double 0 wheel from your American friends?

--I wouldn't know how to do it,as don't even know where are the numbers on the wheel,
to me it is not real fair roulette.I didn't wana go to LV couse couldn't find Europian table there and went to Macao instead.Thanks,but you can send any other spins,euro roulette,live dealers.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 04, 04:39 PM 2012

Quote from: jarabo002 on Aug 04, 04:17 PM 2012
Another one

ok mate in few days.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Wally Gator on Aug 04, 04:42 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 04, 04:38 PM 2012

--I wouldn't know how to do it,as don't even know where are the numbers on the wheel,
to me it is not real fair roulette.I didn't wana go to LV couse couldn't find Europian table there and went to Macao instead.Thanks,but you can send any other spins,euro roulette,live dealers.

Thanks F_LAT. Perhaps once you show the method we can adapt it to the American wheel. Good to know it's wheel based.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 04, 05:16 PM 2012

Quote from: Wally Gator on Aug 04, 04:42 PM 2012

Good to know it's wheel based.

--You said it....not me.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: rayhd63 on Aug 04, 08:22 PM 2012

Szia F_LAT_INO,

here is also a attached File.

Good Luck and I am intrested in the result, since that Day cost me allot of money !!!
For that reason , I am very intrested to see the outcome...

Thanks in advance, and what you are doing here for us..

Raymond

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 05, 07:11 AM 2012

Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 04, 08:22 PM 2012
Szia F_LAT_INO,

here is also a attached File.

Good Luck and I am intrested in the result, since that Day cost me allot of money !!!
For that reason , I am very intrested to see the outcome...

Thanks in advance, and what you are doing here for us..

Raymond

WILL BE DONE THROUGHOUT THIS WEEK....THKS.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: POUNDMAKER on Aug 05, 02:02 PM 2012

Hi

Did not know if you needed any more - have just recorded these spins from Castle Casino live wheel.

Regards,

Alf

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 05, 05:11 PM 2012

Quote from: POUNDMAKER on Aug 05, 02:02 PM 2012
Hi

Did not know if you needed any more - have just recorded these spins from Castle Casino live wheel.

Regards,

Alf

Thanks Alf,

Need 2 more sessions over 300-350 spins/make the last one/

--Huns and Rob finished,moving to Nick....7 to go

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Kattila on Aug 05, 05:30 PM 2012

Ok, here two sessions from live dealer....
(see excel files)

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Gordonline on Aug 05, 05:42 PM 2012

Hi Flat

Attached are 2 350 Spin Sessions from SLC Live Wheel

Gordon

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 05, 05:44 PM 2012

Thanks guys.....

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: amk on Aug 05, 05:50 PM 2012

F_LAT_INO,

If you register at win-maxx you will have access to +-20,000 Wiesbaden/Hamburg live spins, all in +-300 spin format.

Perhaps you already have these?

If not I can give you my password and you can log in.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: hanshuckebein on Aug 06, 03:29 AM 2012

hi flat,

so what are the results of rob's and my session? I don't mean to be impatient just curious. :)

cheers

hans

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 06, 06:51 AM 2012

Quote from: hanshuckebein on Aug 06, 03:29 AM 2012
hi flat,

so what are the results of rob's and my session? I don't mean to be impatient just curious. :)

cheers

hans

--Won both flat bet in 300 spins,thought had a real fight at the end with yours/I think/---couse
conditions under which I have accepted this bet winning 9/10...ARE STANDARD 1+1-not alowed
leveled progression...but any how both won....when I finish all 10 will post.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 06, 06:53 AM 2012

Quote from: amk on Aug 05, 05:50 PM 2012
F_LAT_INO,

If you register at win-maxx you will have access to +-20,000 Wiesbaden/Hamburg live spins, all in +-300 spin format.

Perhaps you already have these?

If not I can give you my password and you can log in.

ok mate pm on my...not here

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Post by: master1986 on Aug 06, 07:54 AM 2012

Hello Flat! Here 329 boules from Berlin.

I'll post you also a link where you can find a lot
of permanenzen. Though it's in italian...

link:://:.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/folder_listing (link:://:.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/folder_listing)

Hope it can be useful for you ;)

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 06, 12:08 PM 2012

Quote from: master1986 on Aug 06, 07:54 AM 2012
Hello Flat! Here 329 boules from Berlin.

I'll post you also a link where you can find a lot
of permanenzen. Though it's in italian...

link:://:.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/folder_listing (link:://:.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/folder_listing)

Hope it can be useful for you ;)

---THANKS TO ALL BUT DON'T NEED ANY LONGER....AS AM ONLY DOING 10 SESSION..Thanks,I am
speaking I talian.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: master1986 on Aug 06, 01:52 PM 2012

Allora molto bene ;) ciao!

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 06, 02:32 PM 2012

Quote from: master1986 on Aug 06, 01:52 PM 2012
Allora molto bene ;) ciao!

Ciao amico.......NICKS finished......SAM next

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 07, 06:04 AM 2012

Sam and Jarabo finished.....Ryhd next....4 to go....

BTW-D1,your session not accepted /couse you where next in the queue/but spotted it is a autowheel
not a real dealer session,sorry.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 07, 01:36 PM 2012

Quote from: POUNDMAKER on Aug 05, 02:02 PM 2012
Hi

Did not know if you needed any more - have just recorded these spins from Castle Casino live wheel.

Regards,

Alf

POUND M.
Have started your session 19 spins tracking,so would miss 7 spins to 300 playing spins,therefore
couldn't do it...if you see this before I end 10 sessions pls.send another session more then 320 spins,the more better.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: POUNDMAKER on Aug 07, 03:34 PM 2012

Sorry, thought you meant just 300 spins - I did actually continue to 350 manually - but I am not at home at the moment - will post remaining spins in next few hours - hope that helps,

Regards,

Alf

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 07, 03:58 PM 2012

Quote from: POUNDMAKER on Aug 07, 03:34 PM 2012
Sorry, thought you meant just 300 spins - I did actually continue to 350 manually - but I am not at home at the moment - will post remaining spins in next few hours - hope that helps,

Regards,

Alf

ok mate.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: donik7777 on Aug 07, 05:49 PM 2012

Flatino how many left? Very interesting.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 07, 05:55 PM 2012

Yes, how many? We're dying to see the results!!

TCS

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Stepkevh on Aug 08, 12:29 AM 2012

in reply #68 Flat said "4 to go"

so i suppose 4 or maybe 3

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: POUNDMAKER on Aug 08, 02:47 AM 2012

Hi FLAT

Have added remaining numbers to spreadsheet - hope this ok now,

Regards,

Alf

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: subby on Aug 08, 03:38 AM 2012

I'm interested to see how he gets on :) He'sa got all 10 now so just waiting for his method like he said he would show :)

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 04:40 AM 2012

Quote from: Stepkevh on Aug 08, 12:29 AM 2012
in reply #68 Flat said "4 to go"

so i suppose 4 or maybe 3

---3 to go,hopping tomorrow you will get results...btw---7 all won easily from 300-350 spins,5 won
flat bet with many zeros there...2 come exactly even flat bet.....this last should kind of show what
sort bet this is.Gents thanks to the guy that challenged me,you will get something you be all looking
for......a bet without any deviations on 300-350 spins....and that's a night playing session in land casino.Patience.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 10:54 AM 2012

HOPE IT GOT THERE....Just 9 as it is enough to win me bet...too tired going for swim now.
and explanations after swim.btw-it is follow the last/further 9 splits with standard 1+1-no
leveled progression as it was part of the rules.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Stepkevh on Aug 08, 10:56 AM 2012

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 10:58 AM 2012

on by one

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 10:59 AM 2012

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 11:00 AM 2012

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 11:01 AM 2012

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 11:03 AM 2012

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 11:24 AM 2012

Well, F, you win the hard work award. I will study these exclusively while the robot works in silence.

Now if I could just silence the wife......

:girl_to: Oh, my........

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Aug 08, 11:46 AM 2012

i want to say thank you, flatino for hard work and share.

biagle

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 11:49 AM 2012

--Had to have a swimming session,now explanations.

-After my post;Rolling splits 2 uncles way,win as much as you want-------guy PM me
and said that it is ridiculous and funny what I'm posting,that it can never be a winner.
I took him on for 1000 euros that I will win 9/10 sessions from 300-350 spins live dealer.
THE ONLY THING HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT I WILL DO IT IN CYCLES OF 5,not 8 or any other as
he may have expected.I even took the chance with standard 1+1- progression/not leveled as
I usually do this,and how it should be done/as all tested wiesbaden sessions from february
until today over 350 spins come out as a winners......Incredible but true.
---There is not any bet selection here just random work of the wheel....you are always on repeaters,
while betting last 9 splits and when betting FURTHEST 9 SPINS/and this is formula that wins here.
--You are defacto having roulette with 18 numbers,instead of 36......and all you have to do learn by head those 18 numbers and how to sap from furthers to last and opposite.......once you master this
it will be easy.----BTW---THIS IS GENTS MOST BALANCED ROULETTE HAPPENING.Test 20 or so sessions and at the end it is always around even.Yes you can have 10 loses in the row,same as wins,but the end counts.What else to say,don't know....Good luck....and as soon as money comes am giving it to abandoned ch.home.Good luck.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 11:51 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 11:24 AM 2012
Well, F, you win the hard work award. I will study these exclusively while the robot works in silence.

Now if I could just silence the wife......

:girl_to: Oh, my........

Sam

Give er some rum...lol

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 11:53 AM 2012

FLAT

From my brief study--while under verbal attack--I see you are betting ECs of some sort and since there are nine of them, they must be splits. Right?

Can't figure out how you select them.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Aug 08, 12:00 PM 2012

i have just one question, what exactly this numbers mean and how you count it?

just tryed this on partypoker airball WL:

w
w
w
w
w
w
w
w
l
w
l
w
w
w
w
w
w
l
w
w
w
l
w
w
w
w

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 12:25 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 11:53 AM 2012
FLAT

From my brief study--while under verbal attack--I see you are betting ECs of some sort and since there are nine of them, they must be splits. Right?

Can't figure out how you select them.

Sam

Sam once you get first 9 sectors/I call em numbers/you start betting on these 9,
after los you switch to furthest 9,example;

2

4
5
6

8
9trigger on above
3-w-erase above 3/must always have 9 sectors on your spreadsheet/
7-w-erase 7 above
13-l-erase furthest number 1---and bet furthest 9---- 1,10,11,12,14,15,16,17,18

Sam I know may look difficult,but you will laugh when you master this....important,after every new number the furthest is erased.....always having 9 numbers on the board....must first learn to read these 18 splits as 18 numbers....that's most important

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 12:28 PM 2012

Quote from: biagle on Aug 08, 12:00 PM 2012
i have just one question, what exactly this numbers mean and how you count it?

just tryed this on partypoker airball WL:

w
w
w
w
w
w
w
w
l
w
l
w
w
w
w
w
w
l
w
w
w
l
w
w
w
w

You count your w/L in cycles of 5 spins,therefore if you had 4 wins and 1 lose you up 3,
if you had 3 w 2 loses,but staking 2,then you 2 up.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 01:39 PM 2012

FLAT

The only way I see splits being the same in every case is to bet the in the direction of the columns:

1 2 3
4 5 6

Otherwise, it would be up to the player to decide between split 1-4 or 1-2.

Am I on the trail?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 02:05 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 01:39 PM 2012
FLAT

The only way I see splits being the same in every case is to bet the in the direction of the columns:

1 2 3
4 5 6

Otherwise, it would be up to the player to decide between split 1-4 or 1-2.

Am I on the trail?

Sam

Sam,

18 numbers roulette

1- split 1/4
2- split 2/5
3- split 3/6
4- split 7/10
5- split 8/11
6- split 9/12
7- split13/16
8- split14/17
9- split15/18
10-split19/22
11-split20/23
12-split21/24
13-split25/28
14-split26/29
15-split27/30
16-split31/34
17-split32/35
18-split33/36

There Sam,once you master these 18 splits into 18 numbers---YOU ARE THERE...try it is hard,but
it will be sweet once you start to collect.

BTW,Sam,

not progressing as I did in excels 1+1------whenever you in any plus restart from 1---I had to
do so as it was conditioned in the rules of my bet...actually guy was hopping that I wouldn't get
out of the hole once I get there in last third of the game....but he didn't know I went over this hundred of times.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: hanshuckebein on Aug 08, 02:32 PM 2012

thank you so much, flatino. you certainly deserve one of them olympic gold medals. :thumbsup:

just to make sure that I've fully understood your concept:

1. you wait until 9 different splits have appeared and then you start betting on them.
2. you stay on this selection until it loses.
3. if it loses you cross off the very first split and add the last one. so you always have 9 splits to cover.
4. you stay on this selection until it loses.
5. if it loses you again cross off the very first split and add the last on.
6. etc

did I get it right?

cheers and thanks again

hans

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 02:53 PM 2012

Quote from: hanshuckebein on Aug 08, 02:32 PM 2012
thank you so much, F_LAT_INO. you certainly deserve one of them olympic gold medals. :thumbsup:

just to make sure that I've fully understood your concept:

1. you wait until 9 different splits have appeared and then you start betting on them.
2. you stay on this selection until it loses.
3. if it loses you cross off the very first split and add the last one. so you always have 9 splits to cover.
4. you stay on this selection until it loses.
5. if it loses you again cross off the very first split and add the last on.
6. etc

did I get it right?

cheers and thanks again

hans

--Exactly like that mate......in cycles of 5 spins...you are on repeaters on last 9,and again on repeaters on furthet 9.......I read this as 18 numbers roulette/some might laugh but it is fact/
and the WHEEL IT SELF is doing rest for you......incredibly evenly balanced bet.On sessions
300-350 spins.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: donik7777 on Aug 08, 03:09 PM 2012

Hello F_LAT_INO!
Thanks so much for your job.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Gordonline on Aug 08, 03:59 PM 2012

Hi Flat

Thanks for my 350 Spin Session

Appreciate your work as always :)

Regards
Gordon

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 04:01 PM 2012

Here I go......being the instigator again........

Hans and FLAT

Either I'm reading Hans wrong or FLAT wrong as you guys "seem" to be saying two different things.

Hans....

FLAT says to bet newest 9 and if lose, bet the other 9, the oldest. If you just crossed off the oldest and added the one that just came and bet them, you would have 8 of the same you just previously bet, not the nine oldest.

FLAT

Are you sure you're not tired? Well, you should be!!

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Aug 08, 04:15 PM 2012

sam, i think so to.. if im betting 123456789 and i lose, i should bet now 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 04:22 PM 2012

Quote from: biagle on Aug 08, 04:15 PM 2012
sam, i think so to.. if I'm betting 123456789 and i lose, i should bet now 10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18

AM NOT TIRED...YOU STILL DON'T GET IT-If you bet last 9 as you pointed.AND YOU LOSE/one of those
losers is going into LASTS-----and the further of lasts/1/is going into FURTHERS......JUST ---write/erase

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: soggett on Aug 08, 04:27 PM 2012

To make things clear
splits comin in: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
you bet on 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 - the newest
11 comes and you lose
now you're newest are 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 11
so now you bet furthest back which are 10,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 and 1
that is the correct way ( Flat correct me if I am wrong )

I have just one question Flat, you say reset to 1 whenever in plus but I see that you did not do that in the examples - the largest drawndown you had over 1000 units would have never happen that way
or am I missing something?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 04:29 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 04:01 PM 2012
Here I go......being the instigator again........

Hans and FLAT

Either I'm reading Hans wrong or FLAT wrong as you guys "seem" to be saying two different things.

Hans....

FLAT says to bet newest 9 and if lose, bet the other 9, the oldest. If you just crossed off the oldest and added the one that just came and bet them, you would have 8 of the same you just previously bet, not the nine oldest.

FLAT

Are you sure you're not tired? Well, you should be!!

Sam

Sam,
the one that just come/after 9 last lost/goes into 9 lasts...and 1/oldest in lasts/goes into furthest.
I swim for 1 mile efter all these excels mate...

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 04:33 PM 2012

Quote from: soggett on Aug 08, 04:27 PM 2012
To make things clear
splits comin in: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
you bet on 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 - the newest
11 comes and you lose
now you're newest are 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 11
so now you bet furthest back which are 10,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 and 1
that is the correct way ( Flat correct me if I am wrong )

I have just one question Flat, you say reset to 1 whenever in plus but I see that you did not do that in the examples - the largest drawndown you had over 1000 units would have never happen that way
or am I missing something?

Exactly as explained.....you didn't read all.....it was bet for 1000 euros that will win 9/10..but with such conditions....read few posts earlier to Sam it is all explained there....this tires me up...LoL

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: RFMAXX on Aug 08, 04:35 PM 2012

Nice work. THX :thumbsup:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 04:42 PM 2012

I got it!

What we need is a tracker by VLS. Anyone interested in kicking in for the fee Vic would charge?

Frankly, I think it should be only for those who are willing to pay. It's not fair for some to pay and many to benefit.

I will pose the question to Victor.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: soggett on Aug 08, 04:43 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 04:33 PM 2012

Exactly as explained.....you didn't read all.....it was bet for 1000 euros that will win 9/10..but with such conditions....read few posts earlier to Sam it is all explained there....this tires me up...LoL

I thought so ;)
Ok, but I did explain it right? so everyone could get it?
playing with the "reset when in plus option" this should not have large drawndonws and should work great, thanks a lot, will try it when I get the hang of it ( kad se ufuram ;D )

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 04:48 PM 2012

Many to....it will eat all your profit.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: amk on Aug 08, 05:35 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 04:42 PM 2012
I got it!

What we need is a tracker by VLS. Anyone interested in kicking in for the fee Vic would charge?

Frankly, I think it should be only for those who are willing to pay. It's not fair for some to pay and many to benefit.

I will pose the question to Victor.

Sam

Can no good come of this 2Cat? (I don't mean that to sound serious) :)

Many thanks F_LAT_INO. May we hear the stories of how you developed this and other of your methods?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 05:51 PM 2012

amk

I don't get it. "Can no good come of this?"

I honestly think that if ten people pay, then ten should get the tracker. If they want to give it to someone, that's their business. Maybe I'm running ahead of myself. I probably should learn how to use the system.

But if you have nine splits in front of you and you're suppose to bet the missing nine, that's a little hairy for me.

Hey.........Victor put up a carpet marker software that tells where you bet. Shoot a mile, I'll bet that would do it.

Sam

(Scratch everything I've said for the last year!)

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: rayhd63 on Aug 08, 05:54 PM 2012

Hi Flat,

also from me , a THANK YOU !! for the work. But a bet is a bet....
Going on vacation tomorrow, Spain and have some time at the pool to learn it.
Will try it then in the Casino Torrremolinos.
Gee.... there are so many things I want to try in the Casino......

Regards
Ray

@Sam I would be in for investing in the tracker....

Ray

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: amk on Aug 08, 06:00 PM 2012

Sorry Sam, was trying to be funny.

F_LAT_INO has tested his methods over hundreds of LIVE play sessions (300 spins).

This says a lot.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 06:04 PM 2012

amk

The software I was thinking of won't work.

So there's Ray and I.

Who else?

Samster

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 06:15 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 06:04 PM 2012
amk

The software I was thinking of won't work.

So there's Ray and I.

Who else?

Samster

--Sam,
In my days there were alphabetic wooden --like squares-in my school,for doing maths thing.
You remember that.May be you Amers had that before sec.WW.....Square with 18 bars and 18
balls on these squares......moving left/right ABACUS.......You get the idea now???

LOL

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 07:30 PM 2012

FLAT

I'm all over this like ugly on an ape! Going to use magnets as I do that a lot for my manual "TwoCat Trackers".

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: MrJ on Aug 08, 08:26 PM 2012

I'm lost, I've only glanced over the thread. Has the method been POSTED yet?

Ken

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Skakus on Aug 08, 08:44 PM 2012

Quote from: MrJ on Aug 08, 08:26 PM 2012
I'm lost, I've only glanced over the thread. Has the method been POSTED yet?

Ken

MrJ,

Splits.

1- split 1/4
2- split 2/5
3- split 3/6
4- split 7/10
5- split 8/11
6- split 9/12
7- split13/16
8- split14/17
9- split15/18
10-split19/22
11-split20/23
12-split21/24
13-split25/28
14-split26/29
15-split27/30
16-split31/34
17-split32/35
18-split33/36

Always follow the last 9 individual splits to hit, adding on the newest and dropping off the oldest after each spin.

Start betting on these most recent 9 splits and keep betting on them until you lose a bet.

After a loss update the tracking then switch to betting on the 9 missing splits, not the last 9 hit splits.

Again keep updating the tracking and keep betting the 9 missing splits until you lose a bet.

After a loss update the tracking then switch to betting on the last 9 hit splits, not the 9 missing splits.

Etc, etc, back and forward.

I think the progression is in cycles of 5, so you stake the same amount for 5 bets. Then go +1 or -1 for the next 5 bets depending on whether you won or lost money over the previous 5 bets.

Flat said something about resetting the progression after any overall profit, but Iâ€™m not sure exactly how that works or if itâ€™s the right thing to do?

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Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 08:47 PM 2012

Redneck Tracker

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Post by: Skakus on Aug 08, 08:50 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 08:47 PM 2012
Redneck Tracker

I can't use that, its sideways! ;D

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Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 08:52 PM 2012

My whole frickin' life is sideways, so it fits me to a T!!

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Post by: vundarosa on Aug 09, 12:56 AM 2012

@Sam, do you have a good handle of how this bet works....my engine is running real low on fuel so i can't really get how it works

thanks

vundarosa

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Post by: soggett on Aug 09, 01:50 AM 2012

Here's a little tracker to make things easier
You input the number spun and it tells you what split it is
Sorry, I don't know how to make it track the last/furthest 9, if anyone does you are wellcome to modify it
Hope it makes it a little bit easier

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Post by: xxlakis on Aug 09, 02:04 AM 2012

As Mr. FLAT mentioned only LIVE WHEEL.I boted it for BV and Playtech live.At BV first session lost....Playtech 21 sessions (+500 each) won.

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Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 09, 02:15 AM 2012

Quote from: xxlakis on Aug 09, 02:04 AM 2012
As Mr. FLAT mentioned only LIVE WHEEL.I boted it for BV and Playtech live.At BV first session lost....Playtech 21 sessions (+500 each) won.

What do mean by a loss and a win of a session? Did you aim to win 500 u in each session?

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Post by: xxlakis on Aug 09, 02:22 AM 2012

Yeap

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Post by: biagle on Aug 09, 02:36 AM 2012

i would pay a litlle for tracker/bot.

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 09, 02:47 AM 2012

Quote from: MrJ on Aug 08, 08:26 PM 2012
I'm lost, I've only glanced over the thread. Has the method been POSTED yet?

Ken

Yes,9 sessions required from 9 diff.members....actually a method differs from original as I had to
progres 1+ on each lose,and reduce 1- on each win....as it was conditioned in the rules of my private
bet,that 9/10 sessions will win,which did.
The method;After tracking 9 diff.splits/I call em numbers/start betting on these splits...after lose you
now switch to 9 furthest splits/or yet unhit at the very start/it is all explained in previous posts....
and the rest will WHEEL do for you.......evenly balance it after 300-350 spins.Btw---after any plus restart from one after finished cycle...yes in cycles of 5 spins.You sir can't lose with this...We have
reduced roulette from 37 to 18 numbers...and most important;here you win on repeaters betting last 9,and winning on repeaters betting furthest 9.....It took me 3 months to master this phenomena betting 18 numbers roulette.....LOL

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Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 09, 02:50 AM 2012

I think that playing for 500u is pushing it a bit. What about 100u like in sectors bet? The base bet is identical in both cases? FLAT?

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Post by: hanshuckebein on Aug 09, 02:53 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 08, 04:01 PM 2012
Here I go......being the instigator again........

Hans and FLAT

Either I'm reading Hans wrong or FLAT wrong as you guys "seem" to be saying two different things.

@sam

the misunderstanding seems to be on my side. thanks for pointing it out as things are clear to me now. :thumbsup:

cheers

hans

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 09, 02:57 AM 2012

Quote from: Skakus on Aug 08, 08:44 PM 2012

MrJ,

Splits.

1- split 1/4
2- split 2/5
3- split 3/6
4- split 7/10
5- split 8/11
6- split 9/12
7- split13/16
8- split14/17
9- split15/18
10-split19/22
11-split20/23
12-split21/24
13-split25/28
14-split26/29
15-split27/30
16-split31/34
17-split32/35
18-split33/36

Always follow the last 9 individual splits to hit, adding on the newest and dropping off the oldest after each spin.

Start betting on these most recent 9 splits and keep betting on them until you lose a bet.

After a loss update the tracking then switch to betting on the 9 missing splits, not the last 9 hit splits.

Again keep updating the tracking and keep betting the 9 missing splits until you lose a bet.

After a loss update the tracking then switch to betting on the last 9 hit splits, not the 9 missing splits.

Etc, etc, back and forward.

I think the progression is in cycles of 5, so you stake the same amount for 5 bets. Then go +1 or -1 for the next 5 bets depending on whether you won or lost money over the previous 5 bets.

Flat said something about resetting the progression after any overall profit, but Iâ€™m not sure exactly how that works or if itâ€™s the right thing to do?--ACTUALLY DO SO CALL
LEVEL PROGRESSION AFTER EACH CYCLE/it is how I do/WHICH I HAVE EXPLAIN PREVIOUSLY
IN ANOTHER THREAD.....DO AS IT SUITS YOU BEST.....BUT NOT AS I DID IN 9 EXCELS.

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Post by: xxlakis on Aug 09, 03:00 AM 2012

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 09, 02:50 AM 2012
I think that playing for 500u is pushing it a bit. What about 100u like in sectors bet? The base bet is identical in both cases? FLAT?

You are right it does sound dangerous.Actually i use a safety guard.If i pass 100 units it keeps playing till 500 or till it drops under 100 just in case.Just luck i guess.

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Post by: shazwad on Aug 12, 10:40 AM 2012

Hi Flat in o,
Many thanks for your posts....they really are appreciated.
How does this compare with your thread
'ROLLING SPLITS TWO UNCLES WAY-win as much as you want?'

The difference being either cycles of five or cycles of eight, using whenever in plus, restart.

Which do you have more success with, cycles of eight or five?

Thanks for any reply.

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Post by: rayhd63 on Aug 12, 02:13 PM 2012

Hi F_LAT_INO,

tried your system yesterday in the Casino Torremolinos and !!!! Gee that was cool !!!
Played with 5 euros and had 4 repeats !!
After the first loss I quit and went to the restaurant. Was in big +++++
Then after my hunger was gone, I sat down again , and then it was like win and loose... but at the end I had another big ++++ . The biggest mistake I seem to make is , when changing from last to furthest.. That I have to learn... I dobbled my bettings after loosing after 4 times. As it seemed to work well..
I am very convinced that this is a very nice system. I'm still here another week an will go at least 2 -3 times and play it again. Hope to get the changing better.

Thanks Flat !!!

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 12, 03:01 PM 2012

Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 12, 02:13 PM 2012
Hi F_LAT_INO,

tried your system yesterday in the Casino Torremolinos and !!!! Gee that was cool !!!
Played with 5 euros and had 4 repeats !!
After the first loss I quit and went to the restaurant. Was in big +++++
Then after my hunger was gone, I sat down again , and then it was like win and lose... but at the end I had another big ++++ . The biggest mistake I seem to make is , when changing from last to furthest.. That I have to learn... I dobbled my bettings after losing after 4 times. As it seemed to work well..
I am very convinced that this is a very nice system. I'm still here another week an will go at least 2 -3 times and play it again. Hope to get the changing better.

Thanks Flat !!!

---Slowely my friend,take it easy,not so fast until you don't grasp and learn by head what to
play when switching.Have a good time there and careful.

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Post by: rusa71 on Aug 12, 03:21 PM 2012

Hi all!
Have a question. As I understand, this Flat's method for live wheels only (no RNG and not airball?). I'm just curious how you guys can quick enough switch from the last 9 splits to the unhit 9 splits and back? Even to know by heart all numbers, noting hitted splits I found it very slowly to switch if you have 30-40 sec between spins. How much time usually do you need to see your notes, to count it, to find 9 last splits (or 9 unhitted ones) and put 9 chips? Thanks for your answers...

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Post by: subby on Aug 13, 12:41 PM 2012

Click "CLEAR ALL BETS" then bet on the others...should take about 25-30 seconds max

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 13, 03:18 PM 2012

Quote from: subby on Aug 13, 12:41 PM 2012
Click "CLEAR ALL BETS" then bet on the others...should take about 25-30 seconds max

--Or
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9-trigger
12---------rebet with 12....then delete one by one lasts clicking one by one on furthest
---delete 1 click on 11----2 click on 10....and so on in 20 sec. complete

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Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 13, 05:41 PM 2012

FLATman

Just wanted to let you know I am going to play your system for real just as soon as I can shake loose some time. The robot takes one computer, one is broken and my wife has the right to kick me off the other at her discretion. Also, I am consumed with playing baccarat.

Thank you for all your hard work.

Sam

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Post by: biagle on Aug 13, 06:18 PM 2012

sam, how about tracker?

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Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 13, 07:12 PM 2012

I have no tracker, except for the paper one I made that would work with magnets. I use lots of magnets in roulette and baccarat.

Sam

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Post by: rayhd63 on Aug 13, 08:09 PM 2012

Hi F_LAT_INO,

just came from the Casino again.... had a 4 repeat of hits, then a loss. There I quit with +27 went to eat and started again. What can I say , after 3 w 1 L 4 W 1 L = +45 I quit again with a total +72 and called it the night. The heat here in Spain can kill you..... 8)
Will be , if the the wife agrees, playing in Casino Marbella after tomorrow. Since I also collect Chips of Casinos that I visit, so that is a must....

Regards
Ray

@ Sam
Good Luck playing.....
Its unbelievable what power women have

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Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 13, 09:10 PM 2012

Its unbelievable what power women have

Amen!

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Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 17, 03:09 AM 2012

Hello FLAT

So what would be the best way to play it? Sectors or splits with cycles or 5 or 9? I understand that we go +1/-1 with progression except when we are in a new profit then we revert to 1u bet.
Win goal 100u and stop loss at least 1000u.

Regards

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 17, 04:59 AM 2012

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 17, 03:09 AM 2012
Hello FLAT

So what would be the best way to play it? Sectors or splits with cycles or 5 or 9? I understand that we go +1/-1 with progression except when we are in a new profit then we revert to 1u bet.
Win goal 100u and stop-loss at least 1000u.

Regards

---That's about it......inside 18/you see I started with exploring sectors couple years back,come to splits with 2 uncles idea,and next will be 1 uncle/inside numbers/so far tested all august wiesbaden
over 300 spins....all won easy on cycle on 9,and the largest DD was 41 un x 18 =738 chips.
At the start of septemb.will come with new idea,actually same but on singles....repeats on lasts,
repeats on furthest.

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Post by: rayhd63 on Aug 17, 06:55 AM 2012

Hi Flat,

attached are two games I played . Hope that it was correct. The heat....and...Sangria...lol

One is with a progression that I would play like this , with a winning

the other one "for flatino no prog.xls" with no progression and a big loose... :'(

if you have time, could you have a look over it ?!? Maybe I made a mistake or many...

The one with progression seemed to work well , and maybe it is the way to play like that.

Best regards
Ray 8)

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Post by: jarabo002 on Aug 17, 03:34 PM 2012

Quote from: rayhd63 on Aug 17, 06:55 AM 2012
Hi Flat,

attached are two games I played . Hope that it was correct. The heat....and...Sangria...LoL

One is with a progression that I would play like this , with a winning

the other one "for F_LAT_INO no prog.xls" with no progression and a big lose... :'(

if you have time, could you have a look over it ?!? Maybe I made a mistake or many...

The one with progression seemed to work well , and maybe it is the way to play like that.

Best regards
Ray 8)

Thank you Ray. Buen provecho! I love Mediterraneo too!! 8)

Could any member do a tracker with this system and your progression? pleaseeee! :thumbsup:

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Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 19, 12:07 PM 2012

thanks very much for sharing Flat :thumbsup:
Just one question,
Do you notice much difference in results betwn recent splits and oldest splits ?
I've only been able to paper bet but the results for oldest (UNhit) seem to be a lot higher than recent
Any opinions ? I admit it was a small sample, but just wondered your opinion with your experience ?

Cheers buddy

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Post by: xxlakis on Aug 19, 12:37 PM 2012

Twisteruk after 1M live spins,486344 hits for old group and 486466 hits for new group.Pretty close huh?

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Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 19, 01:28 PM 2012

Quote from: xxlakis on Aug 19, 12:37 PM 2012
Twisteruk after 1M live spins,486344 hits for old group and 486466 hits for new group.Pretty close huh?

Hmmmmmm very close.

Can someone clarifie how many times you play New Group/Old Group before you switch due to no hits, also whats the best Progression ?

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Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 19, 01:47 PM 2012

xx

The real question is what is the dispersion? How many old in a row, on average?

Sam

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 19, 02:07 PM 2012

Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 19, 12:07 PM 2012
thanks very much for sharing Flat :thumbsup:
Just one question,
Do you notice much difference in results betwn recent splits and oldest splits ?
I've only been able to paper bet but the results for oldest (UNhit) seem to be a lot higher than recent
Any opinions ? I admit it was a small sample, but just wondered your opinion with your experience ?

Cheers buddy

--When I observe all tested and played for real/airball these days/sessions,then it is very
evident how evenly balanced this bet is.....as a matter of fact playing it only last or furthest
would still win on present rules.Much more viable then standard E/C bets.

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 19, 02:09 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 19, 01:47 PM 2012
xx

The real question is what is the dispersion? How many old in a row, on average?

Sam

-superman said in his post testing this most he find 11,and with this fact he thinks there is a merrit here......his words.....but as I always pointed out I test and play 300-350 spins.

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 19, 02:19 PM 2012

Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 19, 01:28 PM 2012
Hmmmmmm very close.

Can someone clarifie how many times you play New Group/Old Group before you switch due to no hits, also what's the best Progression ?

--Switch after each lose.progression 1+1- L/W......but so called leveled progression...I do it
by head but there is a formula I have maded...for instance ....you losing 400 on progress. 8...won
240......now 400 divided by 8 = 50.........240 divided by 50 = 5...so next bet would be 5....hoppe you got what I mean.No from 8 to 7 after such win.

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Post by: xxlakis on Aug 19, 02:58 PM 2012

Flat you were right it is a very balanced bet(at least most of the time).Currently i am trying to find the best progression for this one.When i'll find the best one i'll let you know.Oh and something i noticed.It looks that it performs better with live spins than BV NZ.

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Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 19, 03:09 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 19, 02:07 PM 2012

--When I observe all tested and played for real/airball these days/sessions,then it is very
evident how evenly balanced this bet is.....as a matter of fact playing it only last or furthest
would still win on present rules.Much more viable then standard E/C bets.

Yes, Im gettin that impression paper betting :thumbsup:

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Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 19, 03:11 PM 2012

Quote from: xxlakis on Aug 19, 02:58 PM 2012
Flat you were right it is a very balanced bet(at least most of the time).Currently i am trying to find the best progression for this one.When i'll find the best one i'll let you know.Oh and something i noticed.It looks that it performs better with live spins than BV NZ.

My opinion is BVNZ acts on ure style of play and sends you strings of numbers to break you. Cant prove it either way but the amount of times Ive tested a System there and it starts great then flops.......ALWAYS

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 19, 03:18 PM 2012

---TRILLONT TIME....Only live wheels.....all other is CINEMA for suckers/no offence please/

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Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 19, 05:17 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 19, 03:18 PM 2012
---TRILLONT TIME....Only live wheels.....all other is CINEMA for suckers/no offence please/

Agree 100% with Flat

Just done some paper betting on PaddyPower Live Wheel and I would of been +65 Units

It was mainly recents hitting

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Post by: Twisteruk on Aug 20, 09:24 AM 2012

Flat, do you have an opinion on when the Dealer Changes ?
Do you carry on from previous Dealer spins or wait until new Dealer has a little history ??

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Post by: biagle on Aug 20, 10:54 AM 2012

Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 20, 09:24 AM 2012
Flat, do you have an opinion on when the Dealer Changes ?
Do you carry on from previous Dealer spins or wait until new Dealer has a little history ??

i was thinking about this too. For my few test i thing better to wait some history

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Post by: rayhd63 on Aug 20, 11:34 AM 2012

QuoteDo you carry on from previous Dealer spins or wait until new Dealer has a little history ??

I think this is also a factor , which depends on what system you are playing at.

Here in my Casinos they change around every 20 to 30 min !! Too soon....

In Spain where i just came from Vacation they changed about every 40 minutes !!!

I also noticed that when a dealer is not concentrated he trows different.
But there are also dealers that almost throw the same speed....

Ray

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 20, 12:42 PM 2012

Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 19, 05:17 PM 2012
Agree 100% with Flat

Just done some paper betting on PaddyPower Live Wheel and I would of been +65 Units

It was mainly recents hitting

----But the furthest come and become recents....got it,mate.

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 20, 12:45 PM 2012

Quote from: Twisteruk on Aug 20, 09:24 AM 2012
Flat, do you have an opinion on when the Dealer Changes ?
Do you carry on from previous Dealer spins or wait until new Dealer has a little history ??

---I would usually continue,but since play only airball these days,wouldn't really know,
but logically think it doesn't matter.

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Post by: Ralph on Aug 20, 01:41 PM 2012

A blind test over 1000, 10000 or more spins, even less have I done among people who think random on a wheel is different from RNG (both fair casinos), in not any case the test show, they could detect the difference.

In B&M you have just a few 100 spins a day, and on RND easy 3000, so you see more, play more, win more and lose more.

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 20, 01:54 PM 2012

Quote from: Ralph on Aug 20, 01:41 PM 2012
A blind test over 1000, 10000 or more spins, even less have I done among people who think random on a wheel is different from RNG (both fair casinos), in not any case the test show, they could detect the difference.

In B&M you have just a few 100 spins a day, and on RND easy 3000, so you see more, play more, win more and lose more.

---lose more

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Post by: superman on Aug 20, 02:38 PM 2012

Quote---lose more

Dont you mean lose faster, you'll lose the same only quicker :twisted:

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 20, 02:51 PM 2012

Quote from: superman on Aug 20, 02:38 PM 2012

don't you mean lose faster, you'll lose the same only quicker :twisted:

---In your science fiction books.....but we don't play such rules....we are
playing roulette on daily basis and you wouldn't know what it means
until you try it. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Post by: Shadowman on Aug 20, 03:01 PM 2012

If I was to lay odds I would bet that Superman is playing and winning every day, and I would suspect that it is on rng!

Mike

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 20, 03:07 PM 2012

Quote from: Shadowman on Aug 20, 03:01 PM 2012
If I was to lay odds I would bet that Superman is playing and winning every day, and I would suspect that it is on rng!

Mike

----Chance for me to earn new 1000 betting here......

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Post by: superman on Aug 20, 04:07 PM 2012

QuoteIf I was to lay odds I would bet that Superman is playing and winning every day, and I would suspect that it is on rng!

:thumbsup:

Quote----Chance for me to earn new 1000 betting here......

You would lose

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Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 20, 04:11 PM 2012

--Not first time though....but wouldn't you be in casino now if so.

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Post by: superman on Aug 20, 04:26 PM 2012

Quotebut wouldn't you be in casino now if so

I dont go to casinos, would rather sit watching the grass grow, RNG is wherever I am. 100 spins in 15 minutes, lovely jubbly.

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Post by: topcat888 on Aug 23, 04:58 AM 2012

ok, at the risk of being flamed, here I go.! I've played with what I thought were the rules and the results are not great.

First, I played the last nine splits to hit, on the next spin I would knock off the very last split and add the very latest split... (obviously sometimes this would be less than nine splits because of repeaters ) Continue until a bet was lost then I would bet on the opposite splits, i.e. the ones that haven't been hit and increased the bet by +1...

I would keep betting on those and keep updating those splits, i.e. these are the splits that haven't been hit, so when one was hit that then becomes a hit split and is removed from the un-hit split list... If you see what I mean... ??? When betting on those splits was lost I would switch back to the very latest set of splits, all the time adding one unit to each of the splits if the bet was lost or subtracting 1 unit if the bet was won...

I've attached the actuals and betting history in case anyone has the patience to check me out to see if there are mistakes..?

Cheers guys

[reveal]
5
20
15
1
18
35
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34
6
21
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0
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34
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8
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8
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24
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15
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[/reveal]

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 05:21 AM 2012

topcat

I haven't tried this, but I think you're doing it wrong. I have studied it a lot and am planning to play it.

"First, I played the last nine splits to hit, on the next spin I would knock off the very last split and add the very latest split... "

As I understand it, as long as you win a bet on the newest nine, nothing changes. You bet those again and again until you lose. I don't understand the "knock off the very last split" part.

I don't think you have the progression right. FLAT bets in blocks of 5, win or lose notwithstanding. He looks at the last five. If he went up a unit or more, he decreases the bet for the next five. If he went down a unit or more, he increases the bet for the next five. That is what the yellow blocks on his sheets are for....to block out five numbers.

I'm sure the FLATman will be along to add to this.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: topcat888 on Aug 23, 05:29 AM 2012

Thanks Sam, I thought I was doing it wrong... :-[

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 06:30 AM 2012

--Sam is right....you allways bet 9 spt.untill lose,then switch to other 9 splits/including the one that just lost/....in block of five as Sam said.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: topcat888 on Aug 23, 08:52 AM 2012

Thanks FLAT... can I just confirm two things for me;

Am I right that every sixth spin you return back to the 'last' splits even if you are still wining on the furthest splits..??

Can you explain the progression again, +1 if lost and -1 on a win.. ???

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Aug 23, 09:34 AM 2012

Quote from: topcat888 on Aug 23, 08:52 AM 2012
Thanks FLAT... can I just confirm two things for me;

Am I right that every sixth spin you return back to the 'last' splits even if you are still wining on the furthest splits..??

Can you explain the progression again, +1 if lost and -1 on a win.. ???

:thumbsup:

no, after five spins you check if you are in plus or not.

lets say after 5 spins you are down 4 U, when you raise for next five spins your beting size to +1. After five spins you have +2 U. Now you decrease your betting -1.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 06:30 AM 2012
until lose,then switch to other 9 splits/including the one that just lost

i have a question for this part. lets say im betting 123456789 and now comes 10. I should bet 1/11/12/13/14/15/16/17/18 ? Somewhere in this theard is explained in this way.

Sorry for my english.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Drazen on Aug 23, 09:45 AM 2012

Quote from: biagle on Aug 23, 09:34 AM 2012

i have a question for this part. lets say I'm betting 123456789 and now comes 10. I should bet 1/11/12/13/14/15/16/17/18 ? Somewhere in this theard is explained in this way.

Sorry for my English.

10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17/18-- last one spun + 8 furthest/opposite

Cheers

Drazen

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 09:47 AM 2012

Quote from: topcat888 on Aug 23, 08:52 AM 2012
Thanks FLAT... can I just confirm two things for me;

Am I right that every sixth spin you return back to the 'last' splits even if you are still wining on the furthest splits..??

Can you explain the progression again, +1 if lost and -1 on a win.. ???

:thumbsup:

---NO----after each cycle of 5 spins....you continue whatever you presently play.....not restarting
from the last.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 10:12 AM 2012

Alright, now I have a question. My newest splits are:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

This is the exact order they came in. Now I bet on those and win a few times and then lose. Split number 10 comes. Now I need the oldest nine.

2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10.........These are now the newest and these

1
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18............are the oldest. The 1, who was the oldest of the new, now becomes the newest of the old.

Is that all correct?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Aug 23, 10:47 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 10:12 AM 2012
Alright, now I have a question. My newest splits are:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

This is the exact order they came in. Now I bet on those and win a few times and then lose. Split number 10 comes. Now I need the oldest nine.

2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10.........These are now the newest and these

1
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18............are the oldest. The 1, who was the oldest of the new, now becomes the newest of the old.

Is that all correct?

Sam

im saying/asking same

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: topcat888 on Aug 23, 10:53 AM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 09:47 AM 2012

---NO----after each cycle of 5 spins....you continue whatever you presently play.....not restarting
from the last.

I'm confused, what's the cycle of 5 for then..?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Drazen on Aug 23, 11:00 AM 2012

Biagle and TCS i answered your question in first post of this page

Cheers

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Drazen on Aug 23, 11:03 AM 2012

Quote from: topcat888 on Aug 23, 10:53 AM 2012
I'm confused, what's the cycle of 5 for then..?

For controlling draftdowns to some degree. Ups and downs are lower with this then going 1+ 1- on every spin

Cheers

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 11:09 AM 2012

Drazen

Sometimes a person has to ask the question in their own words so they can understand the answer. I'm sure you're a crack shot!

Thanks!

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: topcat888 on Aug 23, 11:34 AM 2012

I still don't get the progression, exactly when and where..??

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 11:45 AM 2012

topcat

As I understand it..........

Say you just started. Pay no attention to whether it's new or old splits. Just think w/l. You will always have one more than the other in five spins.

Example:

1-w
2-l
3-w
4-l
5-l

You have three loses. On your next five-block, raise your bet one unit. 2

Say you have another net loss--raise it another unit. 3

Say you have another net loss--raise it another unit. 4

On your next five-block you win......drop it to 3.

win...down to 2....

loss up to 3

win down to 2

win back to 1

I hope that's right. That's the way I'm going to play it.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: topcat888 on Aug 23, 12:11 PM 2012

Yet again thanks Sam, just one more question then, where is the point where you don't put another 1 unit to the progression..? For example, what happens if you win four out of the five, put it up or leave it..?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 12:16 PM 2012

OK

Makes no difference how many you win/lose in a five block. Winning 3 and winning all 5 is the same; losing 3 or losing all 5 is the same. All you are concerned with is the majority.

Imagine a block of five to be one bet. Did you win it (3w or more) or did you lose it (3L or more).

That's my understanding.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: topcat888 on Aug 23, 12:31 PM 2012

Got it... cheers Sam. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 12:58 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 10:12 AM 2012
Alright, now I have a question. My newest splits are:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

This is the exact order they came in. Now I bet on those and win a few times and then lose. Split number 10 comes. Now I need the oldest nine.

2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10.........These are now the newest and these

1
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18............are the oldest. The 1, who was the oldest of the new, now becomes the newest of the old.

Is that all correct?

Sam

----Correct Sam.....

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 01:00 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 12:16 PM 2012
OK

Makes no difference how many you win/lose in a five block. Winning 3 and winning all 5 is the same; losing 3 or losing all 5 is the same. All you are concerned with is the majority.

Imagine a block of five to be one bet. Did you win it (3w or more) or did you lose it (3L or more).

That's my understanding.

Sam

Correct Sam again...thats why cycles are dispair...either win or lose.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 01:03 PM 2012

Quote from: topcat888 on Aug 23, 12:11 PM 2012
Yet again thanks Sam, just one more question then, where is the point where you don't put another 1 unit to the progression..? For example, what happens if you win four out of the five, put it up or leave it..?

on a cycle win/3 or more/you decrease one/sometimes more if you are several cycles down/
on a los increase,but never more then one.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Drazen on Aug 23, 01:06 PM 2012

Mr. Flat, please delete my upper reply where i make typo mistake, and this one also.

I spoted now but time for modyfing has gone.

I bolded sector 10 and should be sector 1.

So not to make confuse, it is already too much here

I wanted to help but maybe is better for you to take care of this thread as it is yours

Drazen

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Aug 23, 01:48 PM 2012

good, so i was playing it corectly.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 23, 02:31 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 11:45 AM 2012
topcat

As I understand it..........

On your next five-block you win......drop it to 3.

win...down to 2....

loss up to 3

win down to 2

win back to 1

I hope that's right. That's the way I'm going to play it.

Sam

--Here very carefull Sam...imagine you were down 8 cycles in the row.....AND YOU WIN.....on 9-the.
How are you going to decrease here? ??? ......Depend on last win....but it always decreases more
then one/2-4-5/always look how much you still down and calculate in your head.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Aug 23, 02:46 PM 2012

Off to the movies. Will have to ponder that last post.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 24, 12:49 AM 2012

So FLAT do you still play it on airball? We got it coded in an other thread but it was not done properly. At least everybody is clear on the rules now except what to do after a win in a cycle of 5 bets especially at a higher level. I guess it would depend on your BR and your balance. If you lower your unit bet by more than 1 unit you may not capitalize on a potential winning streak. Also maybe putting a limit on your progression could be an idea. If you bet on 9u level which we saw few times in excel files 5 consecutive losses will pull you down 400u.
But i guess there is no best way to play it in all situations ;D

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Aug 24, 02:39 AM 2012

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Aug 24, 12:49 AM 2012
So FLAT do you still play it on airball? We got it coded in an other thread but it was not done properly. At least everybody is clear on the rules now except what to do after a win in a cycle of 5 bets especially at a higher level. I guess it would depend on your BR and your balance. If you lower your unit bet by more than 1 unit you may not capitalize on a potential winning streak. Also maybe putting a limit on your progression could be an idea. If you bet on 9u level which we saw few times in excel files 5 consecutive losses will pull you down 400u.
But i guess there is no best way to play it in all situations ;D
[/quote

---Have explained several times how to play after level 5,6,7,8,9,.....Ido calculate by head...but there
is a formula how come to next bet.........expl;you won on level 9/360- at that time divide 360 by 9=
40....now look a new score after 360 - .......let say its now 240....divide 240 by 40 and you got 6.......that is your new bet......when you do those things always round up to the nearest.
Hope it helps.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Robeenhuut on Aug 24, 10:06 AM 2012

Yeah

Wish somebody coded it. I don't have an expertise unfortunately. ;D

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ashwinsinha on Sep 30, 10:38 AM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 11:49 AM 2012
--Had to have a swimming session,now explanations.

-After my post;Rolling splits 2 uncles way,win as much as you want-------guy PM me
and said that it is ridiculous and funny what I'm posting,that it can never be a winner.
I took him on for 1000 euros that I will win 9/10 sessions from 300-350 spins live dealer.
THE ONLY THING HE DIDN'T KNOW THAT I WILL DO IT IN CYCLES OF 5,not 8 or any other as
he may have expected.I even took the chance with standard 1+1- progression/not leveled as
I usually do this,and how it should be done/as all tested wiesbaden sessions from february
until today over 350 spins come out as a winners......Incredible but true.
---There is not any bet selection here just random work of the wheel....you are always on repeaters,
while betting last 9 splits and when betting FURTHEST 9 SPINS/and this is formula that wins here.
--You are defacto having roulette with 18 numbers,instead of 36......and all you have to do learn by head those 18 numbers and how to sap from furthers to last and opposite.......once you master this
it will be easy.----by the way---THIS IS GENTS MOST BALANCED ROULETTE HAPPENING.Test 20 or so sessions and at the end it is always around even.Yes you can have 10 loses in the row,same as wins,but the end counts.What else to say,don't know....Good luck....and as soon as money comes am giving it to abandoned ch.home.Good luck.

Hi flat
Hell i understood how to bet last 9 splits and furthest 9 splits n all...... but i dont undrstand is wat do u mean by "cycles of 5" and how much flat bet amount do you suggest or used in xls spreadsheet..... my daily target is $6 and quit... with BR about 1k..... plz reply

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: woods101 on Oct 01, 09:40 AM 2012

Hi Flat,

How much are you aiming to win?

Thanks
Woods

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Oct 01, 12:15 PM 2012

Quote from: woods101 on Oct 01, 09:40 AM 2012
Hi Flat,

How much are you aiming to win?

Thanks
Woods

---Not how much for me,but for you...as much as you wish,in cycle of 5 it always wins required aim.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ashwinsinha on Oct 01, 03:10 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 09, 02:57 AM 2012

this perfectly answered my each and every doubt.... but i still dont have that speed to bet the splits and switch after a loss in just 30 seconds time..... any suggestions to master this.... and also in my live dealer there is only option to clear all bets not delete any particular bet..... so i guess i am stuck with betting splits manually one by one..... this could lead to mistakes also due to given time limit 30 seconds

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ashwinsinha on Oct 01, 03:43 PM 2012

Quote from: Skakus on Aug 08, 08:44 PM 2012

MrJ,

Splits.

1- split 1/4
2- split 2/5
3- split 3/6
4- split 7/10
5- split 8/11
6- split 9/12
7- split13/16
8- split14/17
9- split15/18
10-split19/22
11-split20/23
12-split21/24
13-split25/28
14-split26/29
15-split27/30
16-split31/34
17-split32/35
18-split33/36

Always follow the last 9 individual splits to hit, adding on the newest and dropping off the oldest after each spin.

Start betting on these most recent 9 splits and keep betting on them until you lose a bet.

After a loss update the tracking then switch to betting on the 9 missing splits, not the last 9 hit splits.

Again keep updating the tracking and keep betting the 9 missing splits until you lose a bet.

After a loss update the tracking then switch to betting on the last 9 hit splits, not the 9 missing splits.

Etc, etc, back and forward.

I think the progression is in cycles of 5, so you stake the same amount for 5 bets. Then go +1 or -1 for the next 5 bets depending on whether you won or lost money over the previous 5 bets.

Flat said something about resetting the progression after any overall profit, but Iâ€™m not sure exactly how that works or if itâ€™s the right thing to do?

This perfectly answers each and every doubt of mine..... but how the hell do i place 9 split bets manually and switch back to other 9 split bets.... the time limit is 30 seconds..... and i dont have an option to delete a particular bet except i have clear all bets

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: artattack on Oct 01, 06:59 PM 2012

Hi Ash

This clicker may be of use to you.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10153.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10153.0)

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: VLS on Oct 01, 09:05 PM 2012

Thanks for the referral dear Art,

I would kindly suggest to await for the next (much improved) release of the clicker.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ashwinsinha on Oct 02, 02:40 AM 2012

Quote from: artattack on Oct 01, 06:59 PM 2012
Hi Ash

This clicker may be of use to you.

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10153.0 (link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=10153.0)

thanks for the reply art..... the link is coming up as error..... but i think i am going to master the splits 1-18...... and write it down near my pc..... then i am going to do some practice play on virtuall roulette to increase my skill,before i move on to real money live dealer roulette ;D.... anyways thanks for ur help :thumbsup:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Oct 19, 09:45 AM 2012

FLATman

I first want to thank you for taking on the task of accepting cold numbers from members and using them. People who use any permazen can shop for the right one to fit their needs.

Anyway, while my wife is recuperating and I cannot play live, I will do some serious testing of your theories using my own numbers.

I have been trying to eliminate a preconceived notion I have: Red/Black, Odd/Even or Large/Small would perform exactly the same. But if they did and won, who cares?

Thanks for all your effort.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: martinnng on Oct 20, 10:20 AM 2012

Hi,
what size of the bankroll (how many units) do you recommend to play with? Betting from 1 unit.
When I'v read the possible drawdown is cca 400 units, so will be enough 1.000 units BR enough?
Thanks for reply.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: VegasArick on Oct 30, 11:44 PM 2012

Drawdown does not seem to be too bad with the initial few tests I am looking at.

I am sure Flat_ has more accurate info though martinnn.

I might try it live tonight. Not as confident as I would like to be with switching over fast enough.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Oct 31, 03:25 AM 2012

Quote from: VegasArick on Oct 30, 11:44 PM 2012
Drawdown does not seem to be too bad with the initial few tests I am looking at.

I am sure Flat_ has more accurate info though martinnn.

I might try it live tonight. Not as confident as I would like to be with switching over fast enough.

in last two days i made around 160euros with this. playing 0.5euro per split as starting bet.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: VegasArick on Oct 31, 10:54 AM 2012

I fell asleep last night, with the intent of taking a nap and slept all the way thru.

Gonna try again tonight.

Congrads on the 160 Euros biagle.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Oct 31, 05:53 PM 2012

FLATman!

OK, I started my test of this idea. Ran into a problem within 20 spins. Don't know how to play it.

These are splits:
6<-----------------------the oldest split of the new splits.
12
18
3
5
1
14
11<-----------------the newest split of the new splits

..........................Above are the newest 9 splits. I play them and lose. Does the split that hit, one of the older ones, now become one of the newer ones?
2
4
7
8
9
10
13
15
17...........This split wins as one in the oldest group.

Here is the second question: Does the #17 split now become the newest of the new splits? Do I take out split 6 from the newest group and add the #6 split to the oldest?

I am going to work through your sheets a while and see if I can see what you're doing. What I've described above seems logical to me, but that may not be how you play it.

I guess the easy way to ask this is: Are you playing this on a rolling basis?

Any input greatly appreciated!!

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Oct 31, 06:51 PM 2012

Well, I can see you're NOT doing it that way!!

I am looking at it like this: If you are betting for the newest splits and one of the oldest hits, he becomes the newest of the new and the oldest of the new becomes the newest of the old.

Where's my rum?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Maan on Oct 31, 08:12 PM 2012

Hi Sam and Iboba..what are you doing here mates??? It just seems like a popularitycontest. Why are you not reading random???

Cheers guys!

/M

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Tamino on Nov 01, 12:25 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 31, 06:51 PM 2012
Well, I can see you're NOT doing it that way!!

I am looking at it like this: If you are betting for the newest splits and one of the oldest hits, he becomes the newest of the new and the oldest of the new becomes the newest of the old.

Where's my rum?
Sam

Two cat Sam, You may have your rum but.....

Vodka and ice damage the kidneys
Rum and ice damage the liver
Whiskey and ice damage the heart.
Gin and ice damage the brain cells.
Cola and ice damage the teeth.

That damned ICE is a KILLER

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 01, 03:36 AM 2012

I have spent four hours on this tonight with my "TwoCat Redneck Tracker".

I find my nine newest splits and mark them with nine magnets on the nine respective splits. I also keep a paper chart of the numbers that came. Then I'm ready to go.

As long as the nine newest are winning, I simply erase the older of the two splits that came.

4
x
x
x
4......I would erase the top 4.

When betting for a new and an old comes, take out the topmost number on the chart, remove the magnet from that split and put it on the one that just came.

When betting for old and new comes, scratch out the same split number above and do not move any magnets.

When betting for old and old comes, erase the top split number from the chart and move the magnet to the split that just came.

It's 2:30 in the morning and I feel 90 years old.

I'll review this tomorrow.

My first 100 spins were almost even and the longest LLL was five.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Nov 01, 08:48 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 01, 03:36 AM 2012
I have spent four hours on this tonight with my "TwoCat Redneck Tracker".

I find my nine newest splits and mark them with nine magnets on the nine respective splits. I also keep a paper chart of the numbers that came. Then I'm ready to go.

As long as the nine newest are winning, I simply erase the older of the two splits that came.

4
x
x
x
4......I would erase the top 4.

When betting for a new and an old comes, take out the topmost number on the chart, remove the magnet from that split and put it on the one that just came.

When betting for old and new comes, scratch out the same split number above and do not move any magnets.

When betting for old and old comes, erase the top split number from the chart and move the magnet to the split that just came.

It's 2:30 in the morning and I feel 90 years old.

I'll review this tomorrow.

My first 100 spins were almost even and the longest LLL was five.

Sam

Good Sam,
I'm doing it writing two vertical lines from 1 to 36,when I GOT MY LAST 9,simply switching from
furtest to last,so am always having 9 numbers in vertical lines.You will eventually get to 9/10
loses in the row.......but since this should be played in cycles/Ifind 9 the best/couldn't hurt much
as the bet itself is very evenly balanced.Good luck.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Nov 01, 09:24 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Oct 31, 05:53 PM 2012
FLATman!

OK, I started my test of this idea. Ran into a problem within 20 spins. Don't know how to play it.

These are splits:
6<-----------------------the oldest split of the new splits.
12
18
3
5
1
14
11<-----------------the newest split of the new splits...only 8 splits,so I WILL PUT NINTH
9

..........................Above are the newest 9 splits. I play them and lose. Does the split that hit, one of the older ones, now become one of the newer ones?EXACTLY LIKE THAT...the older one that hit goes to last/newest/and thr further number in last ones goes to further ones.
2-L-goes to 9 last,while 6 goes to 9 furthest.
4
7
8
9
10
13
15
17...........This split wins as one in the oldest group.

Here is the second question: Does the #17 split now become the newest of the new splits? Do I take out split 6 from the newest group and add the #6 split to the oldest?the 17 is oldest one if the previous numbers were from further group,but it would be new ones if prior numbers were also last.

I am going to work through your sheets a while and see if I can see what you're doing. What I've described above seems logical to me, but that may not be how you play it.

I guess the easy way to ask this is: Are you playing this on a rolling basis?

Any input greatly appreciated!!9 last,---trigger to bet--------hit furthest which you send to furthest,and furthest number from last 9 send to furthers.....just a swap of 2 numbers

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Nov 01, 09:26 AM 2012

Quote from: Maan on Oct 31, 08:12 PM 2012
Hi Sam and Iboba..what are you doing here mates??? It just seems like a popularitycontest. Why are you not reading random???

Cheers guys!

/M

Dearest Maan........His highness WHEEL is doing it for us.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ignatus on Nov 01, 10:03 AM 2012

Thanks mr. FLAT seems like a great method. :)

The only thing i don't understand, what is a "missing split"? sry for my bad english and low intelligence LOL ;D

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 01, 10:27 AM 2012

ig

I remember nothing about a missing split. What post # was that in? I accidentally left out a split.

FLATman

While I love my "TwoCat Redneck FLATman Tracker" I think I found an easier way to track it Requires two rolls of cash register paper.

:xd:

Samster

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ignatus on Nov 01, 11:13 AM 2012

"After a loss update the tracking then switch to betting on the 9 missing splits, not the last 9 hit splits." ?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: VegasArick on Nov 01, 12:35 PM 2012

IG, there are 18 possible splits...

If you were betting on the 9 newest splits to appear when a loss came.

Then the next spin calls for a bet on the 9 Other / missing splits that you were NOT betting on the previous spin.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ignatus on Nov 01, 02:43 PM 2012

OK. This method doesn't work for online casinos (not live) it seems? I think it's too much work also to switch between "missing splits" and the "last splits", when it keeps alternating all the time.. :/

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Drazen on Nov 01, 02:49 PM 2012

Quote from: ignatus on Nov 01, 02:43 PM 2012
OK. This method doesn't work for online casinos (not live) it seems? I think it's too much work also to switch between "missing splits" and the "last splits", when it keeps alternating all the time.. :/

You should change the game my friend. Roulette seems can't suit you.

With no offense please.

You dont have patience, for few pros that posted methods you said seem unintelignet or hard..

What do you expect and want :question:

Regards

Drazen

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: VegasArick on Nov 01, 04:44 PM 2012

So, the reason this wins the money is the fact that after 300 - 350 spins the W's vs. L's are nearly even and the progression puts it in the + $ ?

If the Wins come clumped together sooner in the session than the losses we can always end sooner while in the + .

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Nov 01, 05:06 PM 2012

How I track lasts furthests

6 3 1 x
17 8 x 2
12 6 3 x
25 13 x 4
16 7 x 5
22 10 x 9
34 16 7 x
23 11 8 x
1 1..got 9 lasts 9 x
10 x
11 x
x 12
13 x
16 x
14
15
17
18

14 present bet.....6 and 14 just swap places and next bet is furthest 9,and so on only swapping
numbers from 9 vertical lines.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: F_LAT_INO on Nov 01, 05:09 PM 2012

Quote from: VegasArick on Nov 01, 04:44 PM 2012
So, the reason this wins the money is the fact that after 300 - 350 spins the W's vs. L's are nearly even and the progression puts it in the + $ ?

If the Wins come clumped together sooner in the session than the losses we can always end sooner while in the + .

EXACTLY AS YOU SAID

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 08, 12:59 PM 2012

FLATman

Tell me where I'm wrong.

When I bet the nine old splits and one of them hits, it becomes a new split and the oldest new split becomes old. I then bet my nine old splits and the same number comes. That same number is now part of a new split, so I lose.

New and old are changing places on every spin except those where the newest nine hit OR the old loses. Is that not correct?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 08, 07:59 PM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Nov 01, 05:06 PM 2012
How I track lasts furthests

6 3 1 x
17 8 x 2
12 6 3 x
25 13 x 4
16 7 x 5
22 10 x 9
34 16 7 x
23 11 8 x
1 1..got 9 lasts 9 x
10 x
11 x
x 12
13 x
16 x
14
15
17
18

14 present bet.....6 and 14 just swap places and next bet is furthest 9,and so on only swapping
numbers from 9 vertical lines.

1. Should not the red 9 be a 6?
2. Do you mean you bet on the last 9 and the 14 split (an old one) came, so you swap places with the 16 (not the 6) and 14 and bet the furtherest 9?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 08, 11:10 PM 2012

Quote from: hanshuckebein on Aug 08, 02:32 PM 2012
thank you so much, F_LAT_INO. you certainly deserve one of them olympic gold medals. :thumbsup:

just to make sure that I've fully understood your concept:

1. you wait until 9 different splits have appeared and then you start betting on them.
2. you stay on this selection until it loses.
3. if it loses you cross off the very first split and add the last one. so you always have 9 splits to cover.
4. you stay on this selection until it loses.
5. if it loses you again cross off the very first split and add the last on.
6. etc

did I get it right?

cheers and thanks again

hans

That's all well and good for the last splits, but what about the furtherest.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 09, 09:50 AM 2012

Since FLATman cannot post (Steve?) I sent him this e-mail. Would anyone care to comment?

FLAT

Here is my way of play. The 1 split is the first to come and the 18 is the last. The 1 is the oldest of the last and the 18 is the newest of the furthest.

Let me ask this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
1 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18

Ready to play....................................................

Let's assume I bet the last nine and the 15 split hits. I lose. My chart would look like this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 The 15 is now the newest of the last splits. It moves to the bottom of the last column
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1 The 1 was the oldest of the last. It is now the newest of the furthest.

I am now betting for the furthest splits. My chart would look like this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
X 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 X
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1

The 12 split comes and I win. Now the 12 split can no longer reside amongst the furthest as it has been hit and must join the last column. My chart looks like this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
X 10
X 11
3 X
4 13
5 14
6 X
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1
12 newest of last 2 The 2 split is now the newest of the furthest splits.

Here is where I lose: I am still betting the furthest and the 12 split hits again. I now lose, since the 12 split has joined the last column.

Where am I going wrong?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: adriatic on Nov 09, 11:34 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 09, 09:50 AM 2012
Since FLATman cannot post (Steve?) I sent him this e-mail. Would anyone care to comment?

FLAT

Here is my way of play. The 1 split is the first to come and the 18 is the last. The 1 is the oldest of the last and the 18 is the newest of the furthest.--further of the furthest

Let me ask this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
1 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18

Ready to play....................................................

Let's assume I bet the last nine and the 15 split hits. I lose. My chart would look like this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 The 15 is now the newest of the last splits. It moves to the bottom of the last column
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1 The 1 was the oldest of the last. It is now the newest of the furthest.

I am now betting for the furthest splits. My chart would look like this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
X 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 X
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1

The 12 split comes and I win. Now the 12 split can no longer reside amongst the furthest as it has been hit and must join the last column. My chart looks like this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
X 10
X 11
3 X
4 13
5 14
6 X
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1
12 newest of last 2 The 2 split is now the newest of the furthest splits.

Here is where I lose: I am still betting the furthest and the 12 split hits again. I now lose, since the 12 split has joined the last column.

Where am I going wrong?---when 12 split re hit you would be next betting last 9----
3,4,5,6,7.8.9.15,12----Adriatic--ex FLAT_IN_O

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 09, 02:21 PM 2012

As I understand the play method you're not going wrong.

It means when the wins come from betting the furthest you'll never win an instant repeat.

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 09, 02:22 PM 2012

Trebor

Thanks for your input. Anyone else?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: adriatic on Nov 09, 02:50 PM 2012

Quote from: trebor on Nov 09, 02:21 PM 2012
As I understand the play method you're not going wrong.

It means when the wins come from betting the furthest you'll never win an instant repeat.

Trebor

just imagine betting any outside E/C bet FTL......and this bet is same expect it is
done with in nines.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 09, 09:50 PM 2012

All

I think I have figured it out............

Last Nine Furthest 9
1 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18

Ready to play....................................................

Let's assume I bet the last nine and the 15 split hits. I lose. My chart would look like this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 The 15 is now the newest of the last splits. It moves to the bottom of the last column
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1 The 1 was the oldest of the last. It is now the newest of the furthest.

I am now betting for the furthest splits. My chart would look like this:

Last Nine Furthest 9
X 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 X
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1

Assume I won X number of times on the furthest nine. Nothing changes with each win. The change comes when the last nine hits.

Referring to the chart below, I get a loss on furthest 9 when a last nine hits. The oldest of the furthest 9, the 10, becomes the newest of the last 9. Then the newest of the last 9, the 2, becomes the oldest of the furthest 9.

LAST 9 FURTHEST 9
X X
X 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 X
7 16
8 17
9 18
15 1
10 2

As best I can understand, the furthest splits remain the furthest when they are hitting. The change only happens when the chop comes.

Anyone care to comment until FLATman can log on again?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 10, 03:47 AM 2012

Sam,

I thought that the list of last 9 numbers was updated after every spin, so in effect if you had a list of the last 18 numbers spun the newest 9 would be the last and the remainder would be the furthest.

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 12:25 PM 2012

Sam I know may look difficult,but you will laugh when you master this....important,after every new number the furthest is erased.....always having 9 numbers on the board....must first learn to read these 18 splits as 18 numbers....that's most important

The "9 numbers on the board" always being considered as the last. I interpreted "the furthest is erased" as being the oldest of the nine numbers "on the board".

I'm confused.

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: adriatic on Nov 10, 05:35 AM 2012

Simply FTL/either last 9 or further 9,as when you get further/which is now swapped places with one
st.in last 9,which goes to further 9/while furthers continues to repeat you always on them....had
yesterday 14 repeats on furthers/airball live for money/couse as furthest are hiting,lasts becomes
furthers.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 07:01 AM 2012

"What we got here..............is a failure t'communicate."..........Cool Hand Luke

Trebor

Let's see if you and I can agree on this. Below is the last nine.

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

I bet and get a hit on split 7. My chart would look like this:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
7

I then get a hit on the 2. My chart would look like this:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
7
2

Is that what you're saying in your post?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 10, 07:40 AM 2012

I think so Sam. Carrying on we've got

1
3
4
5
6
8
9
7
2

Then if 10 hits we lose the 1

1
3
4
5
6
8
9
7
2
10

We then bet the furthest.

1
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18

What do you think? And what does F_LAT_INO think

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 07:48 AM 2012

Trebor

I see you put the 1 at the top of the furthest. That would mean it is the oldest of the furthest to me. I feel it should go at the bottom. Since it was the most recent to become the furthest, it is the newest of the furthest.

Maybe this "newest/oldest" is where I'm going wrong.

Maybe position only matters in the "last" column. Perhaps the "furthest" can be in any order.

FLATman cannot log on. I don't know what he thinks of all this. Probably sorry he ever started the thread!!

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ugly bob on Nov 10, 07:48 AM 2012

I am pretty sure that what you 2 guys have wrote in the above 2 posts is spot on. At least that is the way that I would do it and it makes perfect sense.

bob.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 07:51 AM 2012

bob

Here is the kicker. FLATman has told me that when you win on a furthest split, it does not join the last splits by virtue of being hit. You can hit it three times in a row as furthest. How is that possible? As soon as it hits, it becomes one of the last to hit.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 10, 07:55 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 07:48 AM 2012
Trebor

Maybe position only matters in the "last" column. Perhaps the "furthest" can be in any order.

Sam

Yes, that's what I think Sam. It's only the last nine that need to be recorded in order.
The "furthest" are always just the numbers not in this "last" list.

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ugly bob on Nov 10, 07:55 AM 2012

You have to knock the 1 out because it is the furthest back and you can not have any more than 9 splits. The confusing part which takes some getting used to is that you now have to bet the 1 because it is part of the missing 9 even though you just knocked it off.

bob.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 10, 07:58 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 07:51 AM 2012
bob

Here is the kicker. FLATman has told me that when you win on a furthest split, it does not join the last splits by virtue of being hit. You can hit it three times in a row as furthest. How is that possible? As soon as it hits, it becomes one of the last to hit.

Sam

Makes no sense to me.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ugly bob on Nov 10, 08:00 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 07:51 AM 2012
bob

Here is the kicker. FLATman has told me that when you win on a furthest split, it does not join the last splits by virtue of being hit. You can hit it three times in a row as furthest. How is that possible? As soon as it hits, it becomes one of the last to hit.

Sam

ok.. well now I am confused. :-\

I wrote my reply based on something similar that I play myself and I suppose I should have read the thread fully and understood the rules. I gotta say it peeves me when you have threads run and run and still nobody fully understands how to play the darn thing. Anyone taking the time to share a system could at least spend a bit of time making it easy to understand or what is the point of sticking the thing up.

bob.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 08:11 AM 2012

Here is the way it seems to me FLATman plays it: When you're hitting on "last", trebor and I have it right. You eliminate the split above and add it to the bottom. Simple.

When betting for "last" and "furthest" comes, place that split number at the bottom of the "last" column. Move the top split number from "furthest" to the bottom of the "last" column.

Now we know what to do when betting "last", win or lose.

__________________________________________________________________________________

When you are betting for "furthest" and win, do exactly as you do when you win on "last". Erase the split number above and move it to the bottom.

When you lose on the "furthest", move the split number just hit (last) to the bottom of the furthest column and the top split number from the "furthest" column to the bottom of the "last" column.

___________________________________________________________________________________

That's the only way I can see it. I've spent many hours on this. I could play it either way.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ugly bob on Nov 10, 08:15 AM 2012

I need to read the thread from start to finish before I confuse myself further.

bob.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 08:18 AM 2012

You now have 1012345678 and you would bet 91011121314151617.

A split number cannot be both old and new, as is number 10. And where is split 18?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ugly bob on Nov 10, 08:29 AM 2012

Thank you for that explanation sam. I did write a reply which you may have read and I completely got it wrong. I gotta be honest and say I don't think these type of switch bets work but I would love to be proved wrong by anyone. The random monster can appear at any time and you end up picking the wrong one every time. It just seems like another even money bet wearing different clothes. A progression then adds to the illusion of it all because you start thinking 'hey this thing works'. I am not so sure. But I am going to read the thread and see if I can add anything constructive. I do not like to come over as negative.

bob.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 10, 08:37 AM 2012

Why do I have the feeling Flat is pulling his hair out as I type.

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ugly bob on Nov 10, 08:48 AM 2012

Quote from: F_LAT_INO on Aug 08, 11:49 AM 2012
--You are defacto having roulette with 18 numbers,instead of 36......

Here is my problem with quotes like this and they are are a few of them.

It makes no difference if there are 18 or 36 numbers on the wheel if you are betting half of them. It is still 50/50 less tax. You could have a wheel coloured one half red and the other half black with 1 and 2 written on them and play this same system if you think about it. All you are doing is switching between one half and the other with a set of rules. The clue was in the very first post where a 1000 unit bankroll was mentioned.

I think I should go back to bed because I have my negative cap on today. But this kind of stuff gets boring and repetitive after a while. :(

bob.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 08:54 AM 2012

trebor

FLAT can read this; he just can't post.

bob

When FLAT says he reduces the wheel to 18, I feel he means it's just easier to place 9 bets per spin than 18. He's way to smart to be fooled by the illusion that there is a difference between 9 splits and 18 numbers.

What has me hooked is his test of 3,000+ numbers sent by 10 different members. Who else has ever done that?

Guys, what bothers me is this. Take an exaggerample: You have 9 furthest splits and you start betting them. ALL hit, but you're still betting on the "furthest". No, they are all actually the "last". So, what are they?

I think we have to distinguish between "furthest" and "FLAT's furthest".

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: ugly bob on Nov 10, 09:02 AM 2012

Don't get me wrong sam. I appreciate all Flats work and I know he is one of the good guys sharing what he has learned.

I should not have logged on today. There is a battle going on at the moment between good and evil in the UK. And the bas**rds who are raping and abusing our children are getting away with it thanks to a corrupt media having no balls. It makes me sick. Sorry to rant!

bob.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 09:06 AM 2012

bob

So you have NBC over there?

We must remember FLATman is from Croatia, I think. English is not his first language. It's hard for me to communicate with someone living in the next state over who grew up speaking English. We must be patient.

"Everything will be wonderful in the end. If things are not now wonderful, it is not yet the end."

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 09:14 AM 2012

Tried to post and e-mail from Flat. Didn't work.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 10, 09:28 AM 2012

Like most, probably, when I started roulette I took on the even chances. Soon realise the big problem was variance.

I was interested in this because Flat said it was more even.

I haven't even tried testing it because I don't know how to play.

I'm sure it's simple as Flat tells us. I can't believe I'm too dense to get it.

Maybe as you say Sam it's lost in translation. This is no reflection on Flat, he's very generous and goes to great effort to help.

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 10:55 AM 2012

If you are dense, we can become "The Dense Brothers" and take it on the road.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Turner on Nov 10, 11:08 AM 2012

Quote from: ugly bob on Nov 10, 09:02 AM 2012
Don't get me wrong sam. I appreciate all Flats work and I know he is one of the good guys sharing what he has learned.

I should not have logged on today. There is a battle going on at the moment between good and evil in the UK. And the bas**rds who are raping and abusing our children are getting away with it thanks to a corrupt media having no balls. It makes me sick. Sorry to rant!

bob.

Bob....be careful not to be drawn in by the press/media. They want you panicking and upset. They want you to believe the world is ending. The whole world has sick bas/tards and they are the ones the press are interested in. When we had chicken flu epidemic (???) and the 1 person died in the uk.(yes 1 person)..they created armagedon in the media. No mention of the 120 people who had died of common flu.
They are only happy to report if someone is dying, has been attacked or is sat on the pavement because their house blew away. Us good folks of england and UK far far oughtweigh the ass.holes.
The press just never mention the good people. It doent sell papers.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: VegasArick on Nov 10, 12:39 PM 2012

Forgive me if I missed it... but why is F_Lat unable to post?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 01:13 PM 2012

I really don't know. I've pm-ed Steve.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 01:32 PM 2012

He's coming back!

Meanwhile, there is but one way for me to solve the problem for me. I have taken 120 numbers from the Drazen test and will test them myself. I'll then be able to see what the FLATman is doing.

If anyone else would care to do this, I'll attach the numbers.

FLAtman says this works; I believe him. I'm on a mission to prove it.

Sam (Donning his cape and leotards)

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Nov 10, 03:20 PM 2012

im with you SAM, because i won with it.

but now im thinking what i was playing it a little bit wrong with furthest splits.

i hope soon we will get help from flatino

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 10, 03:58 PM 2012

Hopefully it will be sorted when Flat returns.

Meanwhile I think what your saying, Sam, is that when betting on the "lasts" the list is updated after every spin. When betting on the "furthest" you stick with the same numbers until a
loss.
At the same time continually updating the "last" so when you return to it the numbers really are the last 9 splits.

I can't see how to set down what I mean as a table without it just being confusing,
.
Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 08:15 PM 2012

Meanwhile I think what your saying, Sam, is that when betting on the "lasts" the list is updated after every spin. When betting on the "furthest" you stick with the same numbers until a
loss.

When a "last" hits, there must be the same split number in the nine already written down. That first split number is erased and put at the bottom. It is now the newest last to come.

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
6

The "last" I have no problem betting.

I am working on the Drazen 1 trot. Am making notes. Will post as soon as possible.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 10, 11:59 PM 2012

OK..........(sounding like H. Ross Perot)........here's the deal!

I began checking the Drazen 1 challenge and found an error right off. I'm afraid that will throw the whole trot off, so I quit on it and found this one. What I was looking for was a win on the same split while betting furthest. I found two.

trebor and biagle and anyone else who will......check this out and tell me what you think.

Sam

EDIT: While checking my scanned sheet, I found another one. Can anyone find it? Yes, it's a test!

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: biagle on Nov 11, 04:45 AM 2012

first i was playing "B" version from your scan.

When i loose on last, i bet on the furthest wihthout changing any splits.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 11, 04:53 AM 2012

All along I have thought "A" was correct.

Now I think "B" makes more sense as it captures repeats every time.

I haven't found the error. I have a self inflicted headache.

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Robeenhuut on Nov 11, 05:43 AM 2012

If you win with this method alternating between last and furthest splits/sectors/lines like Flat did you should win just playing last ones. Flat just did that after he posted the challenge thread. He played this way with success on air ball. Catching repeaters is the key here. If you have a large BR and manage to handle big draw downs sooner or later you will catch long series of repeaters - that was a logic behind it and 300 spins requirement. Sometimes we get caught up in minor issues and dont see a bigger picture.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 11, 09:28 AM 2012

Gentlemen

Answer me this one: Why did he play one repeating furthest one way and the next repeating furthest the other?

If you don't allow furthest to become last, what is the definition of "last"?

Matt, these are not minor issues to me. When I'm putting real Euro on the line, I want to know exactly how a system works.

Again, if you hit all--and I do mean all--off the furthest splits, would they not become last? No? Even though they are they most recent hit, they are still furthest? Then why seek the "last" at the first of the game? Why not just randomly pick nine splits?

A system must either follow the rules of logic or just be Voodoo from the get-go. (My opinion only; I have not been up the mountain!)

I did quite well testing this thing on cold numbers using my "TwoCat-FLATman Redneck 9 v 9 Magnetic Splits Tracker", and I think I'm going to just go back to testing it that way. I had one bad run with real money where 0 and "hit furthest who became last" whipped up on me like Obama on Romney.

Darn--I feel a new word coming on. Obama-ized---which loosely means "beaten by the dead, the illegal and Mickey Mouse".

"Shoot a mile, Luke! You done been Obama-ized."

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: kingsroulette on Nov 15, 11:21 AM 2012

Hats off Flat. U made two EC bet out of 9 splits at the two ends.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: kingsroulette on Nov 15, 12:41 PM 2012

I have a curiosity with regard to 10 tests done by Flat. Flat played those by increasing 1 unit per loss and decreasing 1 unit per win in the test. Then he suggested us to play in the bunch of 5 trials and use progression accordingly, not per spin.
Can anybody confirm that we are winning all (or 9 out of 10) tested sessions with the latest progression idea as well?

This is very important to know.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 15, 12:58 PM 2012

You shall see all at the end of the month why this method wins.Patience.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Amazin on Nov 15, 02:15 PM 2012

So is everyone winning with this method so far?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: kingsroulette on Nov 16, 12:40 AM 2012

Will anybody answer my query?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 02:39 AM 2012

kingsroulette

I began testing the system. Then I was told I was doing it wrong, so I don't know how to do it. I think I know this much: He looks at the spins in groups of five. If three lost, he goes up one unit. If three won, he goes down one unit.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 16, 03:08 AM 2012

Like Sam I stopped testing it because I didn't know how to apply it.

I'll have another go if it becomes clear.

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 16, 03:52 AM 2012

You can see here clearly/in Sam losing session with addition of Bobs doz/col/how I play it
in cycle of 9 spins......end of the month you shall see all wiesbaden session of this month and
see the results.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 01:07 PM 2012

FlAtMaN

I'd like you ask you a question. If I can't get this down right, there is no need to continue with your system, 9 v 9.

I am betting on the nine furthest. I get a hit on the 4 split. Does the 4 split, by virtue of being hit, now become one of the last?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: PGA on Nov 16, 01:36 PM 2012

TCS,

The way I have understood the 9v9, is as follows:

- Furthest Group; 9 furthest splits
- Nearest Group; 9 nearest splits

If let`s say spilt 8 which is part of the Furthest Group appears, then split 8 becomes a member of the Nearest Group and the oldest split of the Nearest Group will become a member of the Furthest Group. Your next bet will be on the Furthest Group and continue to bet the Furthest Group until a split from the Nearest Group appears. When that happens, you have lost the bet and for the next bet you switch to bet all the splits in the Nearest Group.

I am sure Flat will confirm one way or the other.

Gerry

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 16, 01:49 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 01:07 PM 2012
FlAtMaN

I'd like you ask you a question. If I can't get this down right, there is no need to continue with your system, 9 v 9.

I am betting on the nine furthest. I get a hit on the 4 split. Does the 4 split, by virtue of being hit, now become one of the last?

Sam

Sam,
Couse dont exactly grasp your question...while beting on furthest 9 those coming hit splits must be different from previously above 9 splits...... while betting last 9 only wins those splits that are shown in your tracker-

it's FTL/follow the last 9,follow the furthest 9....on rides you always win,while on chops you always lose...sorry you can't get it....maybe somebody that does will explain it better them me...though I will continue with LvF untill the end of this month and ppl.will be surprised with about 55
wiesbaden sessions over 300 spins betting in cycle of 9 spins

example again,

last 9
5
9
14
8
2
16
13
10
6
--------if any of above nine numbers win you won and continue with same bet
if any other split wins that is not above/example 4/you write 4which becomes last 9 underline

4--erase last number/5 which goes to further 9/and start betting on further 9 split

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Turner on Nov 16, 01:54 PM 2012

Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 16, 01:49 PM 2012
Sam,
Couse don't exactly grasp your question...while beting on furthest 9 those coming hit splits must be different from previously above 9 splits...... while betting last 9 only wins those splits that are shown in your tracker-

it's FTL/follow the last 9,follow the furthest 9....on rides you always win,while on chops you always lose...sorry you can't get it....maybe somebody that does will explain it better them me...though I will continue with LvF until the end of this month and people.will be surprised with about 55
wiesbaden sessions over 300 spins betting in cycle of 9 spins

example again,

last 9
5
9
14
8
2
16
13
10
6
--------if any of above nine numbers win you won and continue with same bet
if any other split wins that is not above/example 4/you write 4which becomes last 9 underline

4--erase last number/5 which goes to further 9/and start betting on further 9 split

Thats better.....the Flatmans back

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 03:10 PM 2012

edit

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 16, 03:45 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 03:10 PM 2012
Sir, you answered a question I did not ask. And, yes, I would be happy for anyone to explain it to me.

Here are the splits:

Last Furthest
1 11
2 12
3 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18
10 4---prior to that bet you play last 9,come 10 play furthest,next spin comes 4 play last 9

Here is what I'm asking: I bet the furthest and the 4 split hits. What happens to it?

Sam

I did unswer that question Sam ---in presented case 4 goes to last 9 and 1 goes to furthest 9,so next bet is last 9. My last excel to you it is really self explanatory in which I have described after each spin what to erase what to bet.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 16, 03:52 PM 2012

So win or lose on the furthest nine you change to last nine?

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 16, 04:13 PM 2012

Quote from: trebor on Nov 16, 03:52 PM 2012
So win or lose on the furthest nine you change to last nine?

Trebor

No Trebor.YOU STAY ON FURTHEST 9 AS LONG AS THOSE ARE HITTING...I had a case of 14 wins in the
row as furthest 9....they are rotating,example

4,erased..now furthest
7.erased..now furthest
12erased..now furthest
3 erased..now furthest
11erased..now furthest
15 erased..now furthest
9 erased..now furthest
17
10 last 9---start betting on it
6..L....start betting on furthest 9........WATCH CLOSELY WHAT HAPPENS NEXT
16-W-erase above 4 which goes to furthest 9
18-W-erase above 7
4--W-erase above 12
8--W-erase above 3
5--W-erase above 11
1--W-erase above 15
2-W--erase above 9
7-W--erase above 7......which was last 9 few spins back....and so for........until hits one of above 9 spins.8 for example.....so now you start betting last 9....which are;8,7,2,1,5,8,4,18,16,

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 04:31 PM 2012

OK, let's go at it another way?

Last Furthest
1 11
2 12
3 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18
10 4<-----------I just won on this furthest split. Now I see it looking like this:

Last Furthest

2 11
3 12
5 13
6 14
7 15
8 16
9 17
10 18
4 1

This is how I played it. If the 4 split hit again, I would not be on it. The 4 had moved to the newest by virtue of being hit. The 1 was moved out of the last nine and went to the furthest nine.

This is what I mean by saying the repeating splits had killed me.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 16, 05:11 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 04:31 PM 2012
OK, let's go at it another way?

Last Furthest
1 11
2 12
3 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18
10 4<-----------I just won on this furthest split. Now I see it looking like this:

Last Furthest

2 11
3 12
5 13
6 14
7 15
8 16
9 17
10 18
4 1

This is how I played it. If the 4 split hit again, I would not be on it. The 4 had moved to the newest by virtue of being hit. The 1 was moved out of the last nine and went to the furthest nine.

This is what I mean by saying the repeating splits had killed me.

Sam

Now I get what you mean,which is also evident from my excel,but it doesn't hurt much when you
playing it in cycle of 9 spins/same due amount per cycle/as you could see your losing session with my way of playing make into winning session.The main and only advantage in this bet is evenly balanced L/W score at the end of any over 300 spin session...and the my win requirament is 54 chips,which 80%of 29 tested Wiesbaden sessions won in the first half of the session/mostly earlier,
only 2 sessions went to the end....which means if you win your 54 call it a day......if you don't win it by half of the session must continue playing as it inevitably comes back and levels up...we are not
chasing for missing 30 blacks...this is quite different which wheel does regulary.Here we are relaying on repeaters either last or furthest 9.Every chop is a los.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 05:30 PM 2012

FlAtMaN

Sorry to be such a bore. Let's go at it another way:

Last Furthest
1 11
2 12
3 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18
10 4<-----------YOU are playing the furthest. You just won on the 4 split. Would you please list the nine splits you would bet on next?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 16, 06:05 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 05:30 PM 2012
FlAtMaN

Sorry to be such a bore. Let's go at it another way:

Last Furthest
1 11
2 12
3 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18
10 4<-----------YOU are playing the furthest. You just won on the 4 split. Would you please list the nine splits you would bet on next?4,10,9,8,7,6,5,3,2...but the fact is that 4 couldn't be possibly furthest at very start...........only thisway could only be possible.....you firstly started with last 9....comes 10 lost, 1 goes to furthests 10 remains in lasts.....now you are due playing furthests...........and you couldn't possibly have 4 as a winner as it remained in last nines,and furthest would be then--1,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 16, 06:26 PM 2012

Sam mate........you MUST ALWAYS CONTROL YOUR LIST OF LAST 9 SPINS IN YOUR SPREADSHEET.

WHEN YOU GET A SPLIT THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR LIST OF LAST 9 YOU WON AND CONTINUE SAME BET.
WHEN YOU GET A SPLIT THAT YOU HAVEN'T IN YOUR LIST OF LAST 9,--THEN YOU LOST AND CONTINUE ON FURTHERS.......EXCLUDING THE LAST HIT SPLIT AND INCLUDE FURTHER SPLIT WHICH GOES TO FURTHER 9...VERY SIMPLE.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 08:50 PM 2012

FlAtMaN

I realize I used a situation that could not occur. I re-wrote my post using real numbers and then I saw you had quoted me and I deleted it. You can look back and see it's gone. Reply #289.

This was only an example. Sorry I used a poor one.

If I didn't have faith in you and what you're doing, I wouldn't spend five minutes on it.

I'll get back to you with a true scenario.

Thanks for your patience.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: kingsroulette on Nov 16, 10:58 PM 2012

OK. Flatman=f_lat i_no,
You wrote:

QuoteYou can see here clearly/in Sam losing session with addition of Bobs doz/col/how I play it
in cycle of 9 spins......end of the month you shall see all wiesbaden session of this month and
see the results.

First u did it all with increase/decrease with every bet, then in a cycle of 5 and now in a cycle of 9. Mind telling me clearly(if u know it yourself) whether you are winning in all those test samples of 10 sessions with cycle of 5 and 9 too and whether you are going to try cycles of 11 and 13 as well?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 11:41 PM 2012

FlAtMaN

I think you must admit I am doing my homework. Please indulge this poor student a while longer. Attached is an XL chart with a few questions. I used the word "flop" when I meant "chop". I'm tired!

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Robeenhuut on Nov 17, 01:02 AM 2012

Quote from: kingsroulette on Nov 16, 10:58 PM 2012
OK. Flatman=f_lat i_no,
You wrote:
First u did it all with increase/decrease with every bet, then in a cycle of 5 and now in a cycle of 9. Mind telling me clearly(if You know it yourself) whether you are winning in all those test samples of 10 sessions with cycle of 5 and 9 too and whether you are going to try cycles of 11 and 13 as well?

This bet wins if you catch more repeaters than chops. Saying that its better to use cycle of 9 than 5 its a case of reversed engineering. Using leveled progression instead of +1/-1 progression mainly reduces the risk of large draw downs. There will be cases that either of these approaches will work better. This is essentially EC bet and if you look for example at R/B breakdown in 300 spins there is a good chance for at least one series of 8 repeats. If you have a large BR you stand a good chance to get to your win goal. 100/1000 ratio was suggested here.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 06:53 AM 2012

Quote from: kingsroulette on Nov 16, 10:58 PM 2012
OK. Flatman=f_lat i_no,
You wrote:
First u did it all with increase/decrease with every bet, then in a cycle of 5 and now in a cycle of 9. Mind telling me clearly(if You know it yourself) whether you are winning in all those test samples of 10 sessions with cycle of 5 and 9 too and whether you are going to try cycles of 11 and 13 as well?

You sound rather intellegent/reading your past posts,but now with those ridiculous
questions I'm surprised you couldn't assume that I have been testing it with 4,5,6,7,8,9/even some more.....and come to conclusion it best works on nine....and now back question to you;
Why it show best results on nine...would you know it?---And that's is the only way of testing base bet with several variations.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 07:28 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 11:41 PM 2012
FlAtMaN

I think you must admit I am doing my homework. Please indulge this poor student a while longer. Attached is an XL chart with a few questions. I used the word "flop" when I meant "chop". I'm tired!

Sam

--You are not a student Sam/actually we all are/but I personally know that you know more about roulete then all the forum/no insults to no one...it is just my opinion as I know Sam for years.Downloaded your numbers and be back with unswers after afternoon nap.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 17, 07:47 AM 2012

Help me please FlAtMaN,

I think this is right.

Last Furthest
1 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18 Betting on last 4 hits so we contunue betting on....

1 10
2 11
3 12
5 13
6 14 last. 13 hits so we lose and our next bet is on....
7 15
8 16
9 17
4 18

2 10
3 11
5 12
6 14 furthest. 13 hits again, so in this case we lose again
7 15
8 16
9 17
4 18
13 1

So, bear with me because I think this is where the confusion is, if a
specific number hits twice in a row while betting on furthest, in this case
13 & 13, we lose on the repeat of 13.

When you talk of winning repeats betting the furthest you mean a numbers hits
that is in the constantly updated furthest column, not a specific number.

Am I right?

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 08:54 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 11:41 PM 2012
FlAtMaN

I think you must admit I am doing my homework. Please indulge this poor student a while longer. Attached is an XL chart with a few questions. I used the word "flop" when I meant "chop". I'm tired!

Sam

Your excel ok...and as later mentioned if 9 repeats you lost,and 9 continues as last 9,but it also be opposite situation

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 09:34 AM 2012

Trebor

I was playing exactly as you outlined and FlAtMaN told me I was doing it wrong. (I made the statement that the zero and repeaters just killed me.) From that time on, I've tried to figure out the right way. I think--and FlAtMaN's last post to me confirms it in my mind--that FlAtMaN has his own personal "furthest". May not be as we see it, but it's his creation.

You are right on the lasts. Just move the four to the bottom. As long as last is hitting, just move the hitted split to the bottom.

With the furthest, you change your chart and put the hitted split at the bottom of the lasts and the top of the lasts at the bottom of the furthest---BUT--you continue to bet on the exact same numbers.

If the above is not it, I'm lost again.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 09:35 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 16, 11:41 PM 2012
FlAtMaN

I think you must admit I am doing my homework. Please indulge this poor student a while longer. Attached is an XL chart with a few questions. I used the word "flop" when I meant "chop". I'm tired!

Sam

have tried it on excel but unsucc.
LAST 9 FURTH. 9
16 1
11 4
17 6
14 7
3 9
5 10
12 13
8 15
2 18--trigg. to start playing last 9
----------------------------------------------------------
16 win,--same bet
1-lost--bet furthest
9win--bet furthest
9-repeated---lost--bet last
9repeated----win--bet last......so while 9 is repeating in last 9 you always win......but when it repeats while betting furthest you lose and becomes last 9

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 09:36 AM 2012

FlAtMaN

I'll do your sheet in Excel and be back soon.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 10:00 AM 2012

FlAtMaN

Here is your first two numbers. Tell me if I did that right.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 10:05 AM 2012

Quote from: trebor on Nov 17, 07:47 AM 2012
Help me please FlAtMaN,

I think this is right.

Last Furthest
1 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18 Betting on last 4 hits so we contunue betting on....

1 10
2 11
3 12
5 13
6 14 last. 13 hits so we lose and our next bet is on....
7 15
8 16
9 17
4 18

2 10
3 11
5 12
6 14 furthest. 13 hits again, so in this case we lose again
7 15
8 16
9 17
4 18
13 1

So, bear with me because I think this is where the confusion is, if a
specific number hits twice in a row while betting on furthest, in this case
13 & 13, we lose on the repeat of 13.YES

When you talk of winning repeats betting the furthest you mean a numbers hits
that is in the constantly updated furthest column, not a specific number.

Am I right?
WINNING ON FURTHER REPEATS ??SPLIT MUST BE ALWAYS COMING FROM LAST 9,OR FROM FURTHEST THAT DIDN'T HIT AS YET,THATWAY LASTS OFTEN LATER BECOME FURTHEST
THEREFORE WHEN IT ROTATES THISWAY YOU ARE WINNING...once had 14 such repeaters
Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 10:07 AM 2012

Quote from: Robeenhuut on Nov 17, 01:02 AM 2012
This bet wins if you catch more repeaters than chops. Saying that its better to use cycle of 9 than 5 its a case of reversed engineering. Using leveled progression instead of +1/-1 progression mainly reduces the risk of large draw downs. There will be cases that either of these approaches will work better. This is essentially EC bet and if you look for example at R/B breakdown in 300 spins there is a good chance for at least one series of 8 repeats. If you have a large BR you stand a good chance to get to your win goal. 100/1000 ratio was suggested here.

Exactly so Rob,as I have said it relays on repeats.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 10:16 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 10:00 AM 2012
FlAtMaN

Here is your first two numbers. Tell me if I did that right.

Sam

HOW CAN 1 WHICH COME FROM FURTHES BE BETTING LAST 9 ??IT SHOULD AFTER 1 BET FURTHEST/COUSE IT COMES FROM THERE AND YOU FOLLOW THE LAST IN CYCLE OF NINE SPINS THAT IS WHY REPEAT IN FURTHER 9 CAN'T BE A WINNER,COMES 9/FURTHEST/WON.AND SHIFTED TO LAST 9........AND NOW COME 9 AGAIN LOST AS YOU ARE CONTIUING BETTING FURTHEST,BUT 9 IS
NOW IN LAST 9 THAT IS WHY YOU LOST.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 10:50 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 10:00 AM 2012
FlAtMaN

Here is your first two numbers. Tell me if I did that right.

Sam

Sam once more.........you betting last 9........comes 1 from furthest 9...you lost,shift 1 to last 9,but due bet is further 9/not last 9/comes 9 you won on further 9,and 9 goes to last 9/must go somwhere where I agree with you/and now comes 9 again but you are still betting furthest nine,while 9 is in last 9......that is why you lost on 9.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 11:05 AM 2012

I will need some time to print all this out and study it.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 17, 11:11 AM 2012

Quote from: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 09:35 AM 2012
......so while 9 is repeating in last 9 you always win......but when it repeats while betting furthest you lose and becomes last 9

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 11:26 AM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 11:05 AM 2012
I will need some time to print all this out and study it.

no mate here the simplest way to get it;

16 erase dont bother about furthest 9,they come in no order
11erase
17 erase
14 erase
3
5
17
8
2..trigger to bet above 9
16-w
1--l--1 is now in last 9-----but we must bet furthest 9 as 1 comes from there/follow the last
9-w--9 is now in last 9----same expl.as above
9-l--as we bet furthest but 9 is now last 9
9-w-as above 9 is last 9....erase 2x9 above...having always 9 splits above..

thisway it is much easier having control...couse I play this on airball ..when I play last 9 just click repeat bet...while switching on furthest,after losing on last 9,Iclick again last 9,and now adding new
furthest splits and at the same time deleting last 9.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 11:30 AM 2012

Quote from: trebor on Nov 17, 11:11 AM 2012

I think this is the key bit and confirms that my original understanding was correct.

When betting on the furthest 9, and winning, you are always deleting the number just won, and adding the number at the top of the last 9, to your list of numbers to bet.

Trebor

Yes Trebor exactly like that.except that I add split on the bottom of last 9.---as they come from top to
the bottom.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 11:34 AM 2012

I have re-worked the sheet. The new is in blue.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 11:41 AM 2012

Quote from: PGA on Nov 16, 01:36 PM 2012
TCS,

The way I have understood the 9v9, is as follows:

- Furthest Group; 9 furthest splits
- Nearest Group; 9 nearest splits

If let`s say spilt 8 which is part of the Furthest Group appears, then split 8 becomes a member of the Nearest Group and the oldest split of the Nearest Group will become a member of the Furthest Group. Your next bet will be on the Furthest Group and continue to bet the Furthest Group until a split from the Nearest Group appears. When that happens, you have lost the bet and for the next bet you switch to bet all the splits in the Nearest Group.

I am sure Flat will confirm one way or the other.

Gerry

Gerry

That is exactly how I was playing it. If I was playing furthest and say, the 6 split was among the furthest and it hit, I would move the 6 to the last. Then if I hit the 6 split again, I would lose. Flat told me that was wrong. He always gets repeating spits even if they are the furthest.

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 11:43 AM 2012

I think this is the key bit and confirms that my original understanding was correct.

When betting on the furthest 9, and winning, you are always deleting the number just won, and adding the number at the top of the last 9, to your list of numbers to bet.

Trebor

Assume the 6 split is in the furthest and it just hit. If you erase it and add the top of the last nine as you say, what happens to the 6 split? You erased it so it is no longer among the furthest, yet Flat says not to put it in the last, so what happens to it?

Sam

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 12:06 PM 2012

Here is a section of the Drazen 300. Note the number of repeaters in the column after "furthest" hit.

2	w
34	l	last 9
18	l	furthest 9
19	w
7	w
22	w
22	w
29	w
25	w
8	w
28	w
35	w
31	w
25	w
32	w
17	w
4	l	last 9
24	l	furthest 9

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: trebor on Nov 17, 12:36 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 11:43 AM 2012

Assume the 6 split is in the furthest and it just hit. If you erase it and add the top of the last nine as you say, what happens to the 6 split? You erased it so it is no longer among the furthest, yet Flat says not to put it in the last, so what happens to it?

Sam

The 6 split is added to the last. I am sure FlAtMaN has said as much.

Trebor

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: SamNL on Nov 17, 12:52 PM 2012

Trebor is right, Flatman explains it in reply #316

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 01:59 PM 2012

Quote from:

Because you didn't shift 1 to the last 9,that way you have 17 splits.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 02:03 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 11:41 AM 2012
Gerry

That is exactly how I was playing it. If I was playing furthest and say, the 6 split was among the furthest and it hit, I would move the 6 to the last. Then if I hit the 6 split again, I would lose. Flat told me that was wrong. He always gets repeating spits even if they are the furthest.

Sam

Sorry Sam but you are confusing it all.....in last 4 pages am exactly explainning what you just said

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: FlAtMaN on Nov 17, 02:12 PM 2012

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Nov 17, 12:06 PM 2012
Here is a section of the Drazen 300. Note the number of repeaters in the column after "furthest" hit.

2
w
34
l last 9
18
l furthest 9
19
w
7
w
22
w
22
w
29
w
25
w
8
w
28
w
35
w
31
w
25
w
32
w
17
w
4
l last 9
24
l furthest 9

That method is opposite of this on the same basis...it's how I actually began exploring this method
and it showed better thisway...that is why you maybe confused about all this.As after all I even haven't posted as yet LvF-9 and the results,,,,here we are only talking about some confusions...the bet,explanation of the bet will be explained in each session...why this why that,and it is coming end of the month.And the other bet was follow L/F 9 REPEATERS ON CYCLE OF 5 SPINS...OPPOSITE WAY
AS YOU IMAGINED THIS IS SAME.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: denzie on Nov 12, 10:35 AM 2015

Anyone still playing this ?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: denzie on Feb 09, 08:34 AM 2016

That means no :question:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: denzie on Feb 10, 05:51 AM 2016

Ok my first session (real play , low stakes )

+ 45
There was enough time to place the bets.
Flatman you still lurking ? :thumbsup:

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Turner on Feb 10, 06:52 AM 2016

Quote from: denzie on Feb 10, 05:51 AM 2016
Flatman you still lurking ? :thumbsup:

Denzie
He passed away several months ago...flatino,flatman, vile, iboba....to name a few
We talked on PM a lot. Miss him.

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: denzie on Feb 10, 07:11 AM 2016

Oooh I see. Didn't know that. Last I heard he was playing airball on a daily basis. My feeling tells me it could be with this. Well I'll give it some serious testing ....

RIP Flatino :-[

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Turner on Feb 10, 07:13 AM 2016

Quote from: denzie on Feb 10, 07:11 AM 2016

RIP Flatino :-[

Amen to that

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Rourke on Feb 10, 07:27 AM 2016

I'm sorry - I know this is an old post, but I just don't get it :-( Can someone explain to me the questions I have in the below quote - Marked RED? Thanks :-)

Quote from: soggett on Aug 08, 04:27 PM 2012
To make things clear
splits comin in: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
you bet on 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 - the newest
What do you mean by splits? Only thing I see are numbers.
11 comes and you lose
now you're newest are 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 11
so now you bet furthest back which are 10,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 and 1
What do you mean by furthest back? To me, furthest back is 36,35,34,33,32,31... And what's with the number 1 in the end?
that is the correct way ( Flat correct me if I am wrong )

I have just one question Flat, you say reset to 1 whenever in plus but I see that you did not do that in the examples - the largest drawndown you had over 1000 units would have never happen that way
or am I missing something?

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: denzie on Feb 10, 07:51 AM 2016

I'll say it in my own words.
Make 2 vertical columns... name it column A and B.

Now put the 9 splits that just been spun in column A. Write the remaining in column B.
let's say they came 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9
A B
1 10
2 11
3 12
4 13
5 14
6 15
7 16
8 17
9 18

Of course they will not come in this order but it's to see clearly. So we begin with A. Bet them all.

Let's say split 5 comes. Nothing changes. Rebet. Iow as long we get a hit we rebet.

Let's say split 15 comes. We lost. We put split 15 in A. And the oldest split of A goes to B. (1 being the oldest...so split 1 goes to column B. Now bet B.

We need 9 splits in each column. On a hit rebet. On a loss switch column but as I explained above.

Hope I've got it right

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: Rourke on Feb 10, 08:15 AM 2016

Thanks Denzie

Your example made it much much clearer :-)

Regards - James

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: denzie on Feb 10, 08:34 AM 2016

In case doubt that " 5 cycle "....

We bet 5 times. If we in a new high then nothing happens.

If we lost some units then +1 for the next 5 spins.

Just checking every 5 spins and calculate your new unit size.

But not sure which is best. Maybe Flat works too.....any experienced members could help here

Title: Re: CHALLENGE FOR ALL--must see and participate if you wana be winner-Yes SAM,it can
Post by: RouletteGhost on Feb 10, 08:18 PM 2016

a very good man

i can tell by his posts he meant very well

here is a gem from him

Nathan AKA tamino has gotten ideas from this which work well

link:://:.spam.org/2014/04/two-column-system.html

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