Here's a test I did over 100K spins x 2:

Data set 1
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 60
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 69
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 61
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 77
=267

Number 0 > Clockwise 17 = 73
Number 0 > Clockwise 18 = 82
Number 0 > Clockwise 19 = 64
Number 0 > Clockwise 20 = 70
=289

Number 0 > Clockwise 33 = 82
Number 0 > Clockwise 34 = 79
Number 0 > Clockwise 35 = 75
Number 0 > Clockwise 36 = 77
=313

Data set 2
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 75
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 73
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 68
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 75
=291

Number 0 > Clockwise 17 = 64
Number 0 > Clockwise 18 = 74
Number 0 > Clockwise 19 = 80
Number 0 > Clockwise 20 = 71
=289

Number 0 > Clockwise 33 = 76
Number 0 > Clockwise 34 = 54
Number 0 > Clockwise 35 = 78
Number 0 > Clockwise 36 = 73
=281

I don't see any pattern? 

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 04, 08:46 PM 2016
Here's a test I did over 100K spins x 2:

Data set 1
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 60
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 69
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 61
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 77
=267

Number 0 > Clockwise 17 = 73
Number 0 > Clockwise 18 = 82
Number 0 > Clockwise 19 = 64
Number 0 > Clockwise 20 = 70
=289

Number 0 > Clockwise 33 = 82
Number 0 > Clockwise 34 = 79
Number 0 > Clockwise 35 = 75
Number 0 > Clockwise 36 = 77
=313

Data set 2
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 75
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 73
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 68
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 75
=291

Number 0 > Clockwise 17 = 64
Number 0 > Clockwise 18 = 74
Number 0 > Clockwise 19 = 80
Number 0 > Clockwise 20 = 71
=289

Number 0 > Clockwise 33 = 76
Number 0 > Clockwise 34 = 54
Number 0 > Clockwise 35 = 78
Number 0 > Clockwise 36 = 73
=281

I don't see any pattern? 

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Try testing this following the dealer.  This should create an edge based on dealer signiture.  If the last number hit was 10 numbers clockwise from the previous spin, then bet the next spin to be 10 numbers clockwise as well....also bet the 8 numbers to the left and right of that one.

This could only work on a live table, not rng.  Would be interesting to see the results from testing this.

Why would there be a pattern ?
The only thing relevant would be knowing where the ball was released and if the dealer had a pattern or signature,etc.
Without knowing the release number - knowing the ending number is like trying to solve a puzzle with only 1/2 of the pieces. Waste of time.

Quote from: denzie on Jun 03, 04:31 AM 2016That's what I meant. ... counting pockets to see if the dealer spins a certain pattern.

Counting pockets from the last spun number to the present one ?
It won't matter, unless you know where on the wheel the dealer released the ball from.

Quote from: Scarface on Jun 04, 09:35 PM 2016This should create an edge based on dealer signiture.  If the last number hit was 10 numbers clockwise from the previous spin, then bet the next spin to be 10 numbers clockwise as well....also bet the 8 numbers to the left and right of that one.

Irrelevant unless you know the release point when the dealer let the ball go.

Quote from: praline on Jun 02, 06:57 PM 2016
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Interesting post. But how do you use G.U.T for this? Do you have some examples?

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Quote from: TurboGenius on Jun 04, 10:03 PM 2016
Why would there be a pattern ?
The only thing relevant would be knowing where the ball was released and if the dealer had a pattern or signature,etc.
Without knowing the release number - knowing the ending number is like trying to solve a puzzle with only 1/2 of the pieces. Waste of time.

Counting pockets from the last spun number to the present one ?
It won't matter, unless you know where on the wheel the dealer released the ball from.

I've tried counting the pockets. .... and some dealers spin a looooot the same. I would bet only 1 number.

Quote from: Scarface on Jun 04, 09:35 PM 2016
Try testing this following the dealer.  This should create an edge based on dealer signiture.  If the last number hit was 10 numbers clockwise from the previous spin, then bet the next spin to be 10 numbers clockwise as well....also bet the 8 numbers to the left and right of that one.

This could only work on a live table, not rng.  Would be interesting to see the results from testing this.

No difference/edge:
17 numbers / 37 = 46% chance of winning
2314 wins / 5000 games = 46% chance of winning

(see attached)

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 05, 09:30 AM 2016
No difference/edge:
17 numbers / 37 = 46% chance of winning
2314 wins / 5000 games = 46% chance of winning

(see attached)

1 number only.
I'll say it in a different way....what is the average of pockets in between spins ?

Now if you got that number....now what is the longest it takes to got a hit ?





Let's say from all your data...the average of pockets is 13.....now how many spins it toke maximum to get a hit ?

falkor if you are so keen in testing it why dont you have a look on CW pisitions you done.....on your set you post starting from 17 you have<CW11,CW2,CW18,CW29,CW24,CW11>....CW11 IS REPEAT....can you code it and see if does any beter just thought

Quote from: falkor2k15 on Jun 04, 08:46 PM 2016
Here's a test I did over 100K spins x 2:

Data set 1
Number 0 > Clockwise 0 = 60
Number 0 > Clockwise 1 = 69
Number 0 > Clockwise 2 = 61
Number 0 > Clockwise 3 = 77
=267

What exactly does this mean ? Clockwise 1 =69.... it went 69 spins before 1 gap in between last number gotta hit?

Quote from: denzie on Jun 05, 10:02 AM 2016
1 number only.
I'll say it in a different way....what is the average of pockets in between spins ?

Now if you got that number....now what is the longest it takes to got a hit ?





Let's say from all your data...the average of pockets is 13.....now how many spins it toke maximum to get a hit ?

The average for clockwise is the same as playing normal roulette numbers: 0 to 36 = 18
The average count for each clockwise is also the same as normal roulette numbers: 1 in 37
How many spins max to get a hit? Well, it's the same as sleepers: about 500 for clockwise 18 or number 18, right?

Quote from: maestro on Jun 05, 10:26 AM 2016
falkor if you are so keen in testing it why dont you have a look on CW pisitions you done.....on your set you post starting from 17 you have<CW11,CW2,CW18,CW29,CW24,CW11>....CW11 IS REPEAT....can you code it and see if does any beter just thought

Will be the same as normal roulette numbers, right? We expect a repeat around spin 7.

Quote from: denzie on Jun 05, 10:57 AM 2016
What exactly does this mean ? Clockwise 1 =69.... it went 69 spins before 1 gap in between last number gotta hit?

Any time Number 0 hit during the 100K spins, the very next spin turned clockwise by 1 pocket for 69 times out of all the times the last number was 0. Even if stayed in the same pocket between spins (0 > 0 or 18 > 18), my data showed that the 2 spins were independent.

Independent yes....but 69 is easily beaten right