King
over time like old Mr J says you learn whats shite. So lets upset a few forget outside bets. Just work with your starting 37 #'s, they all have to come, you need to find how.
So find each non-hits avg to hit, then the max they can take, never seen the remaining 25 take more than 6 spins, they avg to hit in 2, so if you see miss for 2 then there over due, so now consideration is given to the known max, like Winkel says if unsure dont bet.

Now i've just comeback from blood test stopped off in betfred, 20 minuets +40 units just watching my starting 37 #'s

Ok, here short example LW


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W virtual, start, bet 1u
W, bet 1u
W, bet 1u
L. Stop
L virtual
L virt
W virt, bet 2u
W , bet 2 u
L stop
W virt, bet 4u
W bet 4 u
W bet 1u, so reset
W bet 1u
L stop
L virt
L virt
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L virt
W virt, bet 1u
W bet 1u
L stop
W virt, bet 2u
L stop
W virt, bet 4u
L stop
W virt, bet 8u
W bet 8u
W bet 4 or 8u
W bet 1u reset
W bet 1u
L stop
W virt, bet 2u
W bet 2 u
W bet 1u
Lstop
...so on...

Your enemy with this Lw strategy is
this sequence LWLWLWL......
IRise bets only after virt W, and after real W
hopping that will catch W streak. Reset to
1u when new high or when close to your
last high, no strict rules, you decide

King as Kats posted, heres the game from betfred

Remember up to 19th non-hit they avg to hit in 2 spins

King even Den's hotties wins
1st 10 the 76% #9 repeat, now bet all R1's me with 2 units not 5 #1, now bet all R2's #13

Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 07:42 AM 2017
Ok, here short example LW


L
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W virtual, start, bet 1u
W, bet 1u
W, bet 1u
L. Stop
L virtual
L virt
W virt, bet 2u
W , bet 2 u
L stop
W virt, bet 4u
W bet 4 u
W bet 1u, so reset
W bet 1u
L stop
L virt
L virt
Lvirt
L virt
W virt, bet 1u
W bet 1u
L stop
W virt, bet 2u
L stop
W virt, bet 4u
L stop
W virt, bet 8u
W bet 8u
W bet 4 or 8u
W bet 1u reset
W bet 1u
L stop
W virt, bet 2u
W bet 2 u
W bet 1u
Lstop
...so on...

Your enemy with this Lw strategy is
this sequence LWLWLWL......
IRise bets only after virt W, and after real W
hopping that will catch W streak. Reset to
1u when new high or when close to your
last high, no strict rules, you decide

Cool, but why should i increase bet after W?

Because when you will have bad runs  will need a recovery plan, your decide
what to use negative progression after Ls, or possitive progression after W.
If you look at LW sequences , for sure will see more Ws than Ls.

Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 02:24 PM 2017
Because when you will have bad runs  will need a recovery plan, your decide
what to use negative progression after Ls, or possitive progression after W.
If you look at LW sequences , for sure will see more Ws than Ls.

Thx, how would you progress with such outcomes?


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Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 02:24 PM 2017
Because when you will have bad runs  will need a recovery plan, your decide
what to use negative progression after Ls, or possitive progression after W.
If you look at LW sequences , for sure will see more Ws than Ls.

but raising your stake AFTER a win means you're more likely to lose any gain in the next spin. Anyone who has played positive progressions knows this.

QuoteThx, how would you progress with such outcomes?


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like that...

blah
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fuck off
off fuck
get a life
life will get you
give up
stamp colecting

There is an innovated technique called  "SQUARE ROOT Staking System"...
Basically, you increase you increase your stake after a WIN by the Square Root of your Profit, and you go back to your Basic stake after a Loss.

further Information found below in the URL link:://nag-nag-nag.co.uk/staking-plans/stakes/

what do you think about this?

  ok = W
  ko = L
  v= virtual
  r = real

Can use 1,2,4,8  ( 16, 32  optional)

  L/W      bet unit size

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  ko  r         stop
  ok  v        2u
  ko  r         stop
  ko  v               
  ok  v        4u         
  ok  r         4u           
  ok  r         1u, reset
  ko  r         stop
  ko  v
  ok  v         2u
  ok  r         2u
  ko  r         stop
  ok  v        4u
  ok  r         4u
  ok  r         4u
  ok  r         1u, reset
  ko  r         stop
  ok  v         2u
  ok  r         2u
  ok  r         1u, reset
  ok  r         1u
  ok  r         1u
  ko  r         stop
  ok  v         2u
  ok  r         2u
  ok  r         1u, reset
  ok  r         1u
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  ok  r          1u, reset
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  ko  r          stop
  ok  v          2u
  ko  r          stop
  ok  v          4u
  ok  r          4u
  ko  r          stop
  ok  v          8u
  ko  r          stop
  ok  v          8u
  ko  r          stop ( bad run       )
  ok  v          16u   (can use 8u )
  ok  r           16u
  ok  r           16u
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   ok  r          1u, reset
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   ko  r         stop
   ok  v          2u
   ok  r           2u
   ok  r           1u,reset
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Be ready sometimes for sessions from hell, use stop lose .
I still belive you bet to many numbers ( 25) , you must look at something
with less numbers / max 12 numbers to bet .

cheers

Quote from: kingmaq on Oct 04, 03:21 PM 2017
but raising your stake AFTER a win means you're more likely to lose any gain in the next spin. Anyone who has played positive progressions knows this.

You can  lose/win  with both, negative or possitive progression, more
IMPORTANT is the bet selection......

Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 03:42 PM 2017
You can  lose/win  with both, negative or possitive progression, more
IMPORTANT is the bet selection......

Kattila... all Progressions lead to hell...
I tweaked the system and added some improvements so that flat bet became profitable.. below is test over 500 spins>


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W  369 
L  136

Profit= 4059 - 3400 =  659

Then go and make some cash.
You know 500 spins are nothing, try to simulate for long run.
I have systems that can survive flat bet  for xxx xxx spins.
The idea behind that LW strategys i posted is that one can try to
avoid some bad runs , the progression (or flat bet) is your choise.

Quote from: Kattila on Oct 04, 04:32 PM 2017
Then go and make some cash.
You know 500 spins are nothing, try to simulate for long run.
I have systems that can survive flat bet  for xxx xxx spins.
The idea behind that LW strategys i posted is that one can try to
avoid some bad runs , the progression (or flat bet) is your choise.

I totally agree with you, need further tests... but keep in mind flatbet requires a relative big Bankroll.
according to you how much tests are required to prove the correct functioning of a system?