So with all the different groups/beliefs within RouletteForum.cc

We have the VB group, systems group, precog group and and and....   we have some aliens too...   

What actually wins - WITH proof?

I mean if you have a system - whatever it is. Do you have proof of your account balance. Where you started, where you are now.


The reason I ask this. It seems with all the people with doctorate degrees in their respective groups - everyone seems to think they have something better. So instead of bashing each other - the proof should surely be in the pudding? Right?


3,2,1 - and GO 

What wins? Anything which gives you an advantage in prediction accuracy.

I don't play online because of RNG, poor views of wheel, or early nmb non of which are beatable for me. I play in B&M casinos, cash in and out, and avoid any players cards or records. Cameras are not allowed. Can get banned for that. So no proof from me

I'd be very surprised if people post any proof. Why should they reveal where they play or how much they win? Zero benefit for them and certain risks.  Always plenty of "guests" browsing here. Casinos are interested in long term winners.

I suppose you're right in terms of who is viewing these sites and for that reasons makes 100% sense if no one posts proof.

Little "smoke and mirrors" can hide a lot of info that these so called people are looking at.

Anyway, but you're right. Perhaps better not to post results then.

So we'll leave it to hearsay for now.

Quote from: Maui13 on May 09, 02:33 AM 2019
So with all the different groups/beliefs within RouletteForum.cc

We have the VB group, systems group, precog group and and and....   we have some aliens too...   

What actually wins - WITH proof?

I mean if you have a system - whatever it is. Do you have proof of your account balance. Where you started, where you are now.


The reason I ask this. It seems with all the people with doctorate degrees in their respective groups - everyone seems to think they have something better. So instead of bashing each other - the proof should surely be in the pudding? Right?


3,2,1 - and GO 

ok, i will be honest with you.
i started winning since i play VB...and yes i have a proof my account balance is increasing

What kind of skills do you need to use vb?

VB skills from my perspective.

1. Ability to count accurately in your head.

Eg 4 second rotor. Count in your head to within about 0.2 second acuracy or less. You should for example to be able to tell the difference between a 4 second rotor and a 4.2 or 3.75 second rotor.

2. Ability to visualise the wheel in your head and know distances between numbers.

3. Ability to count and read numbers moving under ball when rotor is moving fast, say 3 second rotor avoiding parallax error.

4. Ability to make rapid calculation in your head of fall off points and add bounce and scatter for that wheel speed and ball and wheel to get landing areas. Ability to memorise tables of data for wheel speeds, ball types, and counting times. Or ability to recognise ball revolution speed relative to fall off, depending on method.

5. Ability to place bets quickly.

6. Ability to camouflage your activities and hide when you are winning. Ability to stop and re-evaluate when conditions are against you.

7. Ability to collect data and analyse data and to change predictions acording to changing data and  prevailing conditions.

Dealers signature is very close to VB. For that you need less of the moving ball skills and rapid calculation but more data collection, timing, and adjustment skills.

Basically your win rate needs to be higher than the payouts. For example, on a single number you'll win 1 in 37, but the payout is 35-1.

HOW you do that is another matter.

It has all been said before.

Regarding VB, the difficulty depends on the wheel. Some wheels can easily be beaten by someone learning VB on the first day.

Where most players go wrong is rotor timing errors. Guessing the wrong BALL revolution doesn't always have severe consequences. It just means there will be an extra set of peaks. Some peaks will overlap, some will cancel each other out. Almost always there is some overlap, and edge even with ball revolution errors.

But rotor errors are far more costly, especially on faster rotors. A mistake of 1s on a 2s rotor (relating to ball drop time) means 180 degrees of error, and AVOIDING the winning area. That means you'll have a negative edge that's greater than the house edge, and you'll lose more than random bets.

The significant errors with the ball also come from ball deceleration rate changes.

There are solutions for all the problems with VB. Some are practical, some aren't. VB is fine for some wheels, but for typical wheels it's a real struggle. But even a basic computer can effortlessly eliminate the majority of errors, so you're about as accurate as a very skilled VB player.

See link:://:.roulette-computers.com/free-trial/ for a free basic computer you can test with. But it's nowhere near on the level as my other computers.

It should be said there are different methods of fall off prediction.

Eg Crossover, knee point, rotor compensation, level wheel and more.

They all have particular advantages and disadvantages. Depending on how the wheel is set up and the dealer it may be impossible to get a working edge. You have to spend time scouting and data collecting to find the best opportunities.

This is not to everyone's taste. People generally want to play straight away, gamble, and have fun. They don't want to spend time learning abstract stuff and studying away from the wheel or sit watching many hours and days and weeks of videos or predicting on your own wheel. You need a certain personality type. Some might call it anal, or obsessive. Maybe "dedicated" is putting it more kindly!

You also really need your own wheel for some methods so you can set it up certain ways and practice various rotor speeds or ball types or dealer behaviour.

Thanks for the answers.

Firefox,

Can you beat a roulettewheel with heavier ball ?

If so, how do you do that ?

It depends on the method you are using, but you will need to adjust your prediction for different balls. A heavier ball decelerates slower. So the kneepoint will be later, or if using rotor compensation methods then the time between reference and prediction will be longer, and you will need to add a longer scatter usually. All as explained in the other thread.

Quote from: Firefox on May 14, 11:00 AM 2019
It depends on the method you are using, but you will need to adjust your prediction for different balls. A heavier ball decelerates slower. So the kneepoint will be later, or if using rotor compensation methods then the time between reference and prediction will be longer, and you will need to add a longer scatter usually. All as explained in the other thread.

I have a system that is showing unprecedented results on one particular wheel (with normal ball), edge is approx 10%, it even won flatbetting.

I have tried yesterday the same system on another wheel (this time with heavier ball), result wasn’t so good as the other wheel, i think the performance wasn’t so good because of the ball...

I hope to be able to get this issue managed, do you think that’s possible.  ?

Are you betting before the spin or during the spin?

Quote from: Firefox on May 14, 12:17 PM 2019
Are you betting before the spin or during the spin?

before, but the accuracy is very good