Played another 7 sessions and won all and on 8 session lost on all 3 pattern spins but recovered next 2 session with 7.14.28

Hey guys.  If you get a zero while tracking you get a chance to choose one of the unhit patterns.

(example: 23, 0, 21) 0 makes it wild, you choose an unhit pattern and assign a number to it.
                  H    0   H
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*Also watch if High or Low is dominant when it is near time to bet.  If you get a cluster of 3 high/lows with a zero in it, you can swap out unhit patterns, so you will get a pattern with either High or Low is dominant.

Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 10:40 AM 2011
The test have been done with a breadwinner progression. I will try to play a little with a MM to see if I can make it better.

Mr. Ore,

Thanks for your tests.  I, for one, appreciate them very much.  Even though nobody can sit and play for 65000 spins, this gives us a realistic snapshot of what can happen and what to be prepared for.

I think this is a very strong system.  I applaud John for his ability to think outside the box.   

We have to be careful and not do a disservice to our guests and new members by discouraging veteran roulette players from adding their cautions and analysis to a topic.  It makes it look like the whole forum is agreed that this is the Holy Grail.  Maybe I haven't ever come up with a system as good as John's, but I am always concerned about misleading someone into thinking that what I'm presenting is a "can't lose" system.  

Someone with little gambling experience may break a cardinal rule of playing with money he can't afford to lose because "this forum" appeared to endorse a system as one that "can't lose".

Suggestions like the one I'm going to make are important.  They are ideas that someone may want to use other than the presented method.  

My idea is, if losing 2 times in a row is next to impossible, why bet 7-14-28 twice to recover a loss.  Why not go straight to 14-28-56 and recover on the next spin?  Or, if you're going to go beyond the almost guaranteed win after a loss, why not go to 5-10-20 and recover in 3 bets.  I like Proofs' stair step bet method.  It's safe and with a good strike rate, which this system appears to have, it eliminates, to a great degree, the fear of going bust.

Here's a suggestion.  Lets set down the rules for a system in the 1st post.  Lock that post. Whenever the members come up with a new idea that we want to add, JL can unlock that post and make the addition then lock it again.  That way anyone can open this topic and read the 1st post and see exactly how to play the system without having to read through all the necessary back and forth that takes place as we try to iron out the wrinkles and get questions answered.

Luck to all,

GLC

Quote from: mr.ore on Apr 09, 09:44 AM 2011
Pattern breaker tested over first 65536 spins from Wiesbaden.

Can I ask what tool do you use to run through so many spins so quickly

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on Apr 09, 12:45 PM 2011
Hey guys.  If you get a zero while tracking you get a chance to choose one of the unhit patterns.

(example: 23, 0, 21) 0 makes it wild, you choose an unhit pattern and assign a number to it.
                  H    0   H
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*Also watch if High or Low is dominant when it is near time to bet.  If you get a cluster of 3 high/lows with a zero in it, you can swap out unhit patterns, so you will get a pattern with either High or Low is dominant.

Really ? Zero is Wild ?


Hmmmmmmm  

starting to complicate things  proof let JL tell us about the dreaded zero please

Quote from: GLC on Apr 09, 01:02 PM 2011
We have to be careful and not do a disservice to our guests and new members by discouraging veteran roulette players from adding their cautions and analysis to a topic.  It makes it look like the whole forum is agreed that this is the Holy Grail.  Maybe I haven't ever come up with a system as good as John's, but I am always concerned about misleading someone into thinking that what I'm presenting is a "can't lose" system.  

Someone with little gambling experience may break a cardinal rule of playing with money he can't afford to lose because "this forum" appeared to endorse a system as one that "can't lose".

I absolutely agree with you. Testing is important and it is even more important that before endorsing a method as a "can't loose" one it has been tested live for a lot (and I mean a lot!) of sessions by different members.

If I am not mistaken this pattern system is well know to baccarat players as it has already been said here. It is a good one but (in baccarat at least) no grail at all.

yes if it is very difficult to have 2 lost in a row

i agree with your idea even also good to recover in 3 bet

it wil be cool if mr ore publish the consecutive Loose and Win during his test

personnaly i have play for real in casino during 5 years and more
and believe the most imprevisible scenario happen one day

so just an advice be not to mutch confident when its real money on long run
human long run was for me 6 days per week at casino
playing 6 hours plus eating inside casino during 6 years

believe its hard

and you are totally deconnected from life

all sutuation happen the more you stay at the table

i have enconter serie on simple chance 22

i have seen 1,2 ,3,4  sucesivly at the table
i have see  0,0,0,1 sucessively
and many more incredible situation

roulette is a wall  and this wall can really hurt and hurt your personal life
even if you think to have a good system

Quote from: iamvaljean on Apr 09, 01:19 PM 2011
I absolutely agree with you. Testing is important and it is even more important that before endorsing a method as a "can't lose" one it has been tested live for a lot (and I mean a lot!) of sessions by different members.

If I am not mistaken this pattern system is well know to baccarat players as it has already been said here. It is a good one but (in baccarat at least) no grail at all.

Nope no Grail, but I win more than I lose with it on Bac 

I always take Grail to mean "cant lose" and we know it can

Quote from: jon86 on Apr 09, 10:10 AM 2011

My point is that a test with 65000 spins is not the same as the real result we get. If I play and stopp and skip 15 spins I change the hole game for my self and it can be both bad and good for my result.

This system lose like all other systems but its a strong system and with the MM we can overcome the loss and recover fast since it doesent lose many times in a row.

Play five wins a day

The less we play the more chance for not loss.

Like I said its not meant to be rude just say what's real and logic  

My oh my what have I unleashed on here LoL Good evening people, wasn't going to post till tomorrow. But I've come home still sober. Jon I have to say for a newbie on here and someone who doesn't speak the best English as its not your first langauge. You have really understood this method.

Thankyou for helping others grasp it. LOOK, Simulator people, you don't get it and maybe neverwill. NOTHING, that allows you to bet more than once a week, or with any decent frequency will survive a flat continuos multi thousand spin sample. If I say to you go and run your tests and find me 8 consecutive 5 POINTERS. I'm pretty sure it will be millions to one IF it happens at all. BUT WHO IS GOING TO SIT THERE WAITING for FIVE 5 POINTERS??

MV5 strikes a very good balance of betting frequency and strikerate.

PATTERN BREAKER as Jon has told you isnt designed to be played CONTINUOSLY. You play a session get out of there and come back into the cycle later. THIS IS HOW YOU WIN.

Quote from: roulettefan on Apr 09, 01:19 PM 2011
Yes if it is very difficult to have 2 lost in a row

personnaly I have play for real in casino during 5 years and more
and believe the most imprevisible scenario happen one day

so just an advice be not to mutch confident when its real money on long run
human long run was for me 6 days per week at casino
playing 6 hours plus eating inside casino during 6 years

believe its hard

and you are totally deconnected from life

all sutuation happen the more you stay at the table

i have enconter serie on simple chance 22

i have seen 1,2 ,3,4  sucesivly at the table
i have see  0,0,0,1 sucessively
and many more incredible situation

roulette is a wall  and this wall can really hurt and hurt your personal life
even if you think to have a good system

Good post my friend.

We need these reminders every now and then.

Geo

P.S.  Your English sucks, but not nearly as bad as my French.   Just kidding.

Keep posting.  We need your personal experience to keep our feet on the ground and our heads out of the clouds.

OMG! GLC,

You are the re-incarnation of Albert Einstein!! What a great idea! I love it! Actually, I thought of something on that order but I didn't know you could add things to a post after it was already posted.

I take my hat off to you (If I take anything else off, you might get the wrong idea!)

In regards to Mr. Ore, I completely agree with you. I am happy that he has shown an interest in John's methods and is willing to do some testing. I think once he has the MM to add to what he already has, it will show an improvement ove his initial results.

Scooby Doo

Quote from: iamvaljean on Apr 09, 01:19 PM 2011
I absolutely agree with you. Testing is important and it is even more important that before endorsing a method as a "can't lose" one it has been tested live for a lot (and I mean a lot!) of sessions by different members.

If I am not mistaken this pattern system is well know to baccarat players as it has alreaudy been said here. It is a good one but (in baccarat at least) no grail at all.

No one said this was a grail GLC least of all me. What I say with absolute confidence. Is with a buy in of only 14 units, or even 7 if you wanted to be ultra conservative. And the potential WHEN PLAYED PROPERLY, to string together winning streaks anything from 25-100 plus. And extremely rare double losses. Its a great profit maker, and it IS.

Quote from: Johnlegend link=topic=4655. msg46360#msg46360 date=1302369997
PATTERN BREAKER as Jon has told you isnt designed to be played CONTINUOSLY.  You play a session get out of there and come back into the cycle later.  THIS IS HOW YOU WIN.

Sorry, but that's nonsense.  There is no difference between playing continuously for 1000s of spins and breaking up your play into short sessions.  To suggest that you can avoid losing runs by playing short sessions defies all logic.  It could only work if you knew when the bad streaks were coming and quit at the appropriate time - and you can't ever know when that time is.

The point of simulations is to give you an idea of what is likely to happen in the long run, and PLEASE don't tell me that "you only play in the short run", so the long run doesn't matter, that's more absurdity.  Since when does a series of short sessions NOT add up to one LONG session? The outcomes are random so it makes no difference in terms of results whether you take spins from many different tables over many sessions or if you take them "continuously" from one table.

I can't believe you're attacking someone (mr. ore) for showing you the TRUTH and sharing his skills, time, and effort.   

There also may be an advantage if you alternate this system with another system, like MV5--something that will last 20 spins or more, then come back to Pattern Breaker and start with the newest spins, not with what's on the marquee already.