Most of the members in here thinks that there are more in roulette than pure Maths.
One of those things that they think that can help in winning consistently is the HIT and RUN gambling fallacy theory.

Ok I am here to help them understand the so SIMPLE WHY this can t help in any way....
Take a graph of any system that has been played in lets say 100.000 spins.
As we all know this grapf in the end it will end up with a DOWN(loser).

Even if the down is comming slowly and not instantly if you will observe the graph , after a point (and not only 1 point but after a lot of points) it can NOT recover.It can not get in a new Profit....and this is natural BECAUSE IF IT COULD RECOVER IT WOULDN T END WITH A DOWN.

Now take any spin from this graph and imagine that this is the spin that you are starting playing in the Real Casino play.....
You will see that in a lot of sessions you will be able to come up with just +1 chip and leave the Casno as winners(Hit and RUN).
BUT as you will realise later in the graph when u will start again in the next visit from where you finished the last visit, there will be a time-visit (or a lot of times-visits) that you will not be able to make +1 chip......and why is this? SIMPLY BECAUSE THE GRAPH IS ENDING UP AS A LOSER.

Now If we have a grapg that the system were ending like a winner (UP) then u will realise that in every visit , or even not in every vistit , BUT in the majority of ur visits you will be able to come UP +1 chip.......

So If we have a sustem that is a loser in the long RUN , then we can t win with HIT and RUN.
But if we have a system that is able to win on the long RUN then even if we will play HIT and RUN, we CAN win....

I hope after reading this post the 10% of you will get our of the dark.

Thanks

Please let s all try to keep a polite attitude in this Topic because it s a VERY productive one.
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I think the reason why hit & run might seem plausible to some is because of:

1) the house edge.
2) deviation.

It's true that the longer you play, the more the house edge nibbles away at your profits. It's also true that if you keep playing the same system, sooner or later you will hit a really bad downturn. The hit & run brigade think the solution is to keep sessions short, but they forget that every short session contributes to a long session. X number of spins is no different whether you break it up into 10 sessions of X/10 or play the whole X spins in one go. If you knew when to end your session it would mean you have a bet selection which gives you an advantage, in that case hit & run isn't necessary - you just wait for the next opportunity.

""""""""but they forget that every short session contributes to a long session. X number of spins is no different whether you break it up into 10 sessions of X/10 or play the whole X spins in one go."""""""""""""

YES !!!!!!!!!!!! YES !!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally ! A person with education and coomon sence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Ps. Let s hope that we are helping some members here.

Don't know if I dare post on this thread, as they tend to get deleted, but here goes....

For me, the New trick is...... Variance. (Variability to U & Me)

The Hit & Run thought must rain in everyone's ideas, and play traits, and they do in mine too.

If U stick to One system, and play Hit and Run.... U WILL one day get burnt.

I think that's taken as a given, except maybe for One or Two members who would argue the toss.

If U stick to Two systems, and play Hit1, Hit2, & then Run, u will get burnt.....a little  later.

But if u adapt your game, and play like this:-

• Hit 1 ....reset
• Hit 2 ....reset
• Hit 3 ....reset
• Hit 4 ....reset
• Hit 5 ....reset
• Hit # ...reset
• Hit 2. ...reset
• Hit 4 ....reset
• Run.....reset

[reveal]Each "Hit" is a different method, system in play, and achieving a Net Increase in BR.[/reveal]
your much more likely to have a more comfortable Journey through your roulette play.

Variance is key.
Adapt to the trend of the results, don't return to bad "Numbers" too soon.
and...
try new ideas, new systems, new methods, every time U play, till You have a bag full of "Weaponry", and your disposal, so when U come up against the "Downward Ski Slope", You can change tactics, and approach the game from a renewed perspective.

Delete if "Irrelevant". 

No its not irrelevant...its a very nice post for the ppl to see what to AVOID.....


"""your much more likely to have a more comfortable Journey through your roulette play."""

No you will NOT.
Its the exact same thing !
Simply because you do NOT know WHEN the systems will be favoured or RUINED by the outcomes(Randomness)


So you are playing blind again and the house edje is there !

Quote from: Bayes on Sep 25, 12:04 PM 2011
I think the reason why hit & run might seem plausible to some is because of:

1) the house edge.
2) deviation.

It's true that the longer you play, the more the house edge nibbles away at your profits. It's also true that if you keep playing the same system, sooner or later you will hit a really bad downturn. The hit & run brigade think the solution is to keep sessions short, but they forget that every short session contributes to a long session. X number of spins is no different whether you break it up into 10 sessions of X/10 or play the whole X spins in one go. If you knew when to end your session it would mean you have a bet selection which gives you an advantage, in that case hit & run isn't necessary - you just wait for the next opportunity.

let's put it this way. "Bad downturns" are not everywhere. they are more likely to be encountered
if u "ask for them", playing long sessions. that's what experienced players know.
it does not mean of course that betting cold numbers will win on a long run if u use it as hit-n-run. but it can lose significally less if u do. if u play hit-n-run like 20 spins in a few days and u play
200 spins in one day, after long time u will see a huge difference in results. it does not mean of course that u  win with hit-run on a long run, but u will lose significally less. u will get in serious trouble less. that's a fact of gambling.

and there is a rule for any serious gambler "quit while u r ahead". it is kind of  hit-n-run also, if u think about it

"quit while u r ahead". it is kind of  hit-n-run also, if u think about it

Yes sure ...but it can t garranty to you consecitive wins-money as you think. 

Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 12:28 PM 2011
""""""""but they forget that every short session contributes to a long session. X number of spins is no different whether you break it up into 10 sessions of X/10 or play the whole X spins in one go."""""""""""""

YES !!!!!!!!!!!! YES !!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally ! A person with education and coomon sence !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Ps. Let s hope that we are helping some members here.

You basically saying people who dont agree with you dont have education?? You must treat people properly chap your really rude!

Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 12:44 PM 2011
"quit while u r ahead". it is kind of  hit-n-run also, if u think about it

Yes sure ...but it can t garranty to you consecitive wins-money as you think. 

i never said about any "guarantees". u can't have them in roulette. but generally the difference  in real life is huge. those who keep pushing their luck for hours end up losing a lot, and those who follow this rule do not always win, but for sure lose significally less.

of course using hit-n-run is no guarantee to win in a long run, but at least u reduce your chances to lose a lot. thus making more chances to win

Quote from: iggiv on Sep 25, 12:42 PM 2011

if u play hit-n-run like 20 spins in a few days and u play 200 spins in one day, after long time u will see a huge difference in results.

Yes, but that's not what I understand by hit & run. Say you play 900 spins in a month. Do you believe that playing 30 spins a day for 30 days is better than playing 300 spins per day for 3 days?

"""You basically saying people who don't agree with you don't have education?"""

Its not about agreeing with me or not....
Its about not understanding the basic principals of Maths

Bayes,
basically roulette hates any patterns. so playing 30 spins each day for a month on the same wheel is a pattern. it can be dangerous.

i would say playing less in the same amount of time (with no patterns, regularity etc) will make u lose less than playing huge sessions of 300 spins.

all this of course does not include biased wheel playing, where more u play certain numbers-- more u win

Iggiv what you say in ur posts is this:

Play less spins in every visit for ur BR to last longer... LOL

This is true ofcource...but it doesn t give you any advantage .....so HIT and RUN can t help you win more

Quote from: RouletteExplorer on Sep 25, 01:07 PM 2011
Iggiv what you say in your posts is this:

Play less spins in every visit for your BR to last longer... LoL

This is true ofcource...but it doesn't give you any advantage .....so HIT and RUN can t help you win more

no, that's not what i am saying. but doesn't matter. u r right, u won this argument already. i am not arguing with u anymore bud