Hi JL,


Scooby here. I have read your idea but as usual I am a little thick-headed with some of these terms. When you say a 4 gap, what are you referring to when you say GAP? For this, I think I will need a detailed explanation my friend. If I can understand what you're doing I will definately test it and give results for the other members to see. Thanks so much.


ScoobyDoo

Quote from: ScoobyDoo on Oct 21, 03:57 AM 2012
Hi JL,


Scooby here. I have read your idea but as usual I am a little thick-headed with some of these terms. When you say a 4 gap, what are you referring to when you say GAP? For this, I think I will need a detailed explanation my friend. If I can understand what you're doing I will definately test it and give results for the other members to see. Thanks so much.


ScoobyDoo

Hello Scooby good to hear from you. A 4 GAP is my terminology to describe a Dozen or Column that hits then sleeps for 3 spins and hits again. Examples below.

DOZEN 2-----13--30--01--33--18----This is a 4 GAP of DOZEN 2

COLUMN C-----27--04--17--31--12----This is a 4 GAP of COLUMN C

I hope that puts you in the picture Scooby.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 02:59 AM 2012
No Superman. Up to five times per trigger. If you are playing the 5 step progression. So for example illustrated below.

DOZEN 1
04
02
03
04
04-----BET TRIGGER
04-----STEP 1 LOST
03
04-----STEP 2 LOST
02
04-----STEP 3 LOST
06-----STEP 4 WON-----This is the longest I have ever recorded 8 on 1 to garner a win. In over
2500 potential games. Random truly struggles to make a dozen sleep under a 5 GAP for 30 plus spins. My history with THE ZONE, has shown me this convincingly.

JL I thought I had it then I read this. The bit Ive highlighted you say when it went to 06 it won but would it not of won when it went 05 ?

Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 04:14 AM 2012

JL I thought I had it then I read this. The bit I've highlighted you say when it went to 06 it won but would it not of won when it went 05 ?

Lol yes Twister. I just used the 6 as an example of where that one came to rest. FIVE upwards is your winner.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 04:49 AM 2012
LoL yes Twister. I just used the 6 as an example of where that one came to rest. FIVE upwards is your winner.

Oh thank God !

Phew ! Had bad flash backs there for a second lol

This baby *looks* UNIVERSE BIG BANG PROOF ! (slightly stronger than Supernova Proof)

Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 04:58 AM 2012
Oh thank God !

Phew ! Had bad flash backs there for a second LoL

This baby *looks* UNIVERSE BIG BANG PROOF ! (slightly stronger than Supernova Proof)

Twister LoL! Played in short bursts you may never lose, that's the mystery of this one. If I have no recorded challenge on the progression. It may be close to a grail played in Hit and Run fashion. if it gives me 800/1 longterm I am delighted. But it may give me 8000/1 or more. All I know is through my experience with THE ZONE. Random has trouble keeping under FIVE for 30 plus spins. It has to break out sooner than later, to give us those 5,6,7,8 AND BEYOND GAPS. That people are fond of telling me made the original ZONE unstable. Yes to get those 5 to 30 plus gaps. Random can't remain in that 4 GAP prison for too long.

Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 05:11 AM 2012
Twister LoL! Played in short bursts you may never lose, that's the mystery of this one. If I have no recorded challenge on the progression. It may be close to a grail played in Hit and Run fashion. if it gives me 800/1 longterm I am delighted. But it may give me 8000/1 or more. All I know is through my experience with THE ZONE. Random has trouble keeping under FIVE for 30 plus spins. It has to break out sooner than later, to give us those 5,6,7,8 AND BEYOND GAPS. That people are fond of telling me made the original ZONE unstable. Yes to get those 5 to 30 plus gaps. Random can't remain in that 4 GAP prison for too long.

Well the proof will be in the Playing ! I will play this baby and see how I get on

Just one Q, do you think it needs to be played HAR ? Could you not play 10 games back to back ?

hey John do you mind showing a test run. With numbers and triggers I plan to make a tracker but I need 100% understanding.

Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 05:19 AM 2012
Well the proof will be in the Playing ! I will play this baby and see how I get on

Just one Q, do you think it needs to be played HAR ? Could you not play 10 games back to back ?

Well the thing is Twister you may wait a long time to get 10 games back to back. Even if you are using COLUMNS. Random has serious trouble showing you even 3 consecutive 4 GAPS. Too often. You can't look at this as a all in one stand alone method Twister. Unless you have a lot of time on your hands and the patience of the universe.

This is more of an excellent add on to other methods like FIVE. But one that will hit winning streaks that defy logic. I'm 320/0 already. And I haven't even been taken to the 4th step of the progression ONCE. That's how strong this is.

JL is it correct uve never seen more than 5 4 Gaps ?

Do you ever feel tempted to play after 2 triggers ? I bet you see lots of 2 triggers get wiped out and have to start over ??

Quote from: Twisteruk on Oct 21, 05:44 AM 2012
JL is it correct uve never seen more than 5 4 Gaps ?

Do you ever feel tempted to play after 2 triggers ? I bet you see lots of 2 triggers get wiped out and have to start over ??

Yes I am Twister, and I have done. Playing a 5 step progression against seeing 7 of these 4 GAPS. No Live I have six 4 GAPS recorded 7 times in 2250 potential games. On BV which has accounted for most of my real play so far. FIVE 4 gaps is the most I've got recorded.
But for the purposes of presenting this method as potentially BING BANG PROOF (Love that phrase) I go with a treble trigger, against 8. And if you have less funds a treble trigger against 7.

This could be,


BIG BANG PROOF !!



Im thinkin BVNZ is the best place to play this as Live might be really slow

JL why do you play on a game with a Zero ? BVNZ surely is the better choice ??

Quote from: Johnlegend on Oct 21, 01:46 AM 2012
That is the five step progression you would use to play all the way to 8. The times 2 simply means that amount on each dozen.

So if we are betting against say DOZEN 3 becoming producing 8 consecutive 4 GAPS. We would place 1 unit on dozen 1 and 1 unit on dozen 2 for STEP 1 of the progression. If that lost we would then place 3 units on dozen 1 and 3 units on dozen 2, for STEP 2 of the progression.

All the way up to 81 units maximum. So our total risk to play a game is 242 units. 121 on each dozen over the 5 steps. Its a lot for newbies I know, so the 4 step plan of 80 units would be the choice if you don't have a big bankroll.

But what you have to consider is, the WINNING POTENTIAL of this method played hit and run. If FIVE gave me 1089 straight wins before it lost. 8 ON 1 could give me at least twice that.

The reason is FIVE was challenged 74 times, and lost the 75th time. 8 ON 1 has never been challenged, not once. But even with FIVE, had the progression had that extra step. It would have won and still have a 100% strikerate.

Now I know matt says but look at Stepkevhs tracker. But I'm not playing this on his tracker. I'm playing it at BV single zero and live. And on those two formats, its never even been challenged let alone lost. So when you take this into consideration. That 242 unit risk no longer seems so much. Especially when you consider, a lot of methods can have drawdowns greater than 242 units. And still lose. Plus playing short sessions. The chances of me running into an 8 are decreased further. And I have thousands of results with THE ZONE to further strengthen my confidence. When you see how hard it is for random to keep a dozen under 5 for even 25 spins. You know this is a longterm winner.

There's no comparison to me, 242 units on a 1000 plus winner. Or 2000 on the unknown, I know which one I'm going with everytime.

John

If you go to the doctor its usually a good idea to get a second opinion. Tracker offers it but you dismiss it.  Its RNG generated like BV single zero so why do you think its no good?  I bet you that if you keep hitting F9 key there long enough it will produce 12 or 13 4's gaps. I saw 11, Stef saw few 8 gaps after 100 hits (50k spins). Nothing out of ordinary compared for example with betting against repeat of a dozen or column. They can repeat 13 times although never saw more than 9. And both are bets with the same odds. And lets not forget that due to a waiting for trigger you dont get that many games. Saw few instances of no games in 500 spins - no 3 4's gaps. Compared with FIVE  8 ON 1 goes 5 steps so a probability of a good initial run greatly increases but a waiting time increases because we deal with single dozens.
Just my usual dose of skepticism  for which i apologize during an initial period of excitement after seeing a new post here.

Edit: just read the answer 

Just test played for the first session and it took 60 spins to get to a Trigger*

I chose to play after 2 Triggers, not 3

1 bet 1 win

I played on BVNZ coz it cost zero pence to generate spins