Pattern 32

[MuppetMan]

Hi been away for a while just testing and looking at this phenomena.
I was looking at even chance stats and strings.
One game consists of 64 spins. In that 64, in a perfect world you would have 32 highs if looking hi/lo. In that 32, you would have 8 single highs. Example, lo-hi-lo. In that perfect world you would have 8 of those and 4 doubles, ex lo-hi-hi-lo, and 2 trebles, ex lo-hi-hi-hi-lo, 1 quad, and 1 run of six. Add those up and you have 32 highs.

So far I have looked at 140 games (64x140). Not once has that exact pattern emerged.
Working out how to bet against it forming is what need everyone's help with.
Would encourage people to test it and suggest ways to bet and staking methods.
I think something here, just have to work out how to take advantage.

[MuppetMan]

And doesnt have to be 8,4,2,1,0,1 also. Could be any pattern you want.
I mean you could bet against 1,1,1,1,1,1 forming. Very rarely will you have 6 diff strings happening one after the other without another repeating first.

[GLC]

MM,

This looks like a classic martingale bet.  It's along the same line as JL's systems which almost require a marty to be effective.

What I hear you saying is to bet against:

hi lo hi
hi lo lo hi
hi lo lo lo hi
hi lo lo lo lo hi
hi lo lo lo lo lo hi
hi lo lo lo lo lo lo hi

forming.  The number of hi's between each step is immaterial but any time we get a lo out of sequence it would represent a win for us and we would wait for the next hi lo.

We could bet this way.  We could use hi lo hi as our trigger.  After seeing a hi lo hi we wait for the next hi lo and we bet for hi to block hi lo lo hi from forming.  If we get a lo we can bet for lo once again to block hi lo lo hi from forming. 

Any time we win, we wait for our next trigger of hi lo hi which means once again we will bet hi after the next hi lo, etc...

We continue to do this until we have a win.

A marty would be the most efficient, but we'd need a pretty big war chest to make all the bets possible to totally block our full pattern from forming.

We could also use the +1, -1 progression to slow things down quite a bit, but I don't know if that would take advantage of our premise that our basic pattern will never occur.

Other options are to wait until hi lo hi then hi lo lo hi forms and begin betting that hi lo lo lo hi won't form.  If it does then bet hi lo lo lo lo hi won't form. etc...

This idea of betting against various patterns from forming can be the basis of a massive system in which you determine a bucket full of different patterns and when you see the beginnings of one of your patterns, you cans start betting against it forming at the 3rd or 4th or 7th stage.  This would be just as effective I think and it would give you many more betting opportunities.

Here's one problem with what I just wrote.  If you get hi lo hi; hi lo lo hi; hi lo lo lo hi; now you're going to bet against hi lo lo lo lo hi, it's really no different than just walking up to a table and betting against hi lo lo lo lo hi forming.  The rationale is that what has happened up to that point has no bearing on what is about to happen.

It's like the post I made about a Blackjack book I read where the author stated that if the dealer has won 5 hands in a row, it's time to bet more because a dealer rarely wins 6 times in a row.  The problem with that logic is it's only rare at the point where the dealer just lost a hand.  From there it's not that common for him to win 6 in a row, but after he's already won 5 in a row, he has a better than even shot at winning the very next hand.

If you're offered 100 to 1 odds that the dealer won't win the next 6 hands in a row or 100 to 1 odds that after the dealer has just won 5 hands in a row that he won't win the next hand, which would you take?

Having said all that, I do have a system in my war chest where the author suggests that we bet against RBRRBBRRBBBR forming.  It's quite similar to the current problem.

Sorry if I started mimicking TCS by bloviating a tad bit.

GLC

[F_LAT_INO]

As you mentioned George,
Easiest way to do this is just walk from table
to table/4-8 tables casino/and on each table
play against the display....but even thatway
you eventually would hit the wall.
Sure it's more opportunity to play then JL
suggests in his 5....but as ppl say each one
to his own.

[Turner]

George...
Interesting for me, because when I see EC bets, its like someone Tasered me in the forehead.
But this makes sense. basically, we are saying I have a progression and a BR...what shall i do with it? rather than I have a system, what progression and BR do I need?
Turner

[Turner]

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[TwoCatSam]

***Sorry if I started mimicking TCS by bloviating a tad bit.***

Pardon, Moi....

I never bloviate; I merely point out those who do!

TCH

[GLC]

Hey Sam.  Odot looks like he never ages.  Got any current pics?

[GLC]

1st hi lo = no bet.  If it goes to hi lo hi it's our trigger.
2nd hi lo = bet 1 unit for hi blocking 2nd stage in our pattern.  If we win, good, wait for another trigger.  If we lose, we got hi lo lo which is the 2nd stage of our pattern.  If we get another lo that breaks our pattern and we have to wait for another trigger.  But, if we get a hi then we wait for next hi lo.
3rd hi lo = bet 1 unit for hi blocking the 3rd stage in our pattern, hi lo lo lo hi.  Note: we always bet 1 unit on the after a hi lo.
We always bet 2 units after a hi lo lo.
We always bet 3 units after a hi lo lo lo.
We always bet 4 units after a hi lo lo lo lo.
We always bet 5 units after a hi lo lo lo lo lo.

We never bet 2 units unless we lose our 1 unit bet.
We never bet 3 units unless we lose our 1 and 2 unit bets.
We never bet 4 units unless we lose our 1 and 2 and 3 unit bets.
We never bet 5 units unless we lose our 1,2,3 and 4 unit bets.
Our next bet is always back to 1 unit after  a win at any level.

What we are doing is flat betting 1 unit after each win.
We are flat betting 2 units after a  Win and 1 loss.
We are flat betting 3 units after a Win and 2 losses.
We are flat betting 4 units after a Win and 3 losses.
We are flat betting 5 units after a Win and 4 losses.
We never bet more than 5 units.  If we lose a 5 unit bet, it is becaue we lost our whole pattern.
We must keep track and any time we reach a new profit, we must zero out all 5 of our bet lines and start again.

GLC

Here's what I  meant to say instead of the above.
Since we have 6 patterns but we only bet on 5 of them, we can set up the following chart.
1st stage 2nd stage 3rd stage 4th stage   5th stage
1             1              1              1                1    x1 ( Only bet 1 time, if lose down 1)
2             2              2              2                2    x1  ( Same as above)
2             2              2              2                2    x2  (From here on bet let-it-ride for 1 time)
2             2              2              2                2    x2
3             3              3              3                3    x2
4             4              4              4                4    x2
5             5              5              5                5    x2

Each stage bets below it from 1-2-2-2-3-4-5.  If you lose the 5 unit bet, you will have lost 19 units.  Take the loss and reset stage to 1.

Every time you bet in the 1st position you will use the 1st stage line.
Every time you bet in the 2nd position you will use the 2nd stage line.
Ect...

Naturally there will be more bets on the 1st stage and least bets on the 5th stage.
Each line is played separately, but our overall balance is used to determine when we reach a new profit at which time we reset all 5 stages to 1.

Just so you understand the progression, I'll play the 1st stage as if we lose the 1st 2 bets and then win then lose the next 10 bets.
1st bet = 1 unit  lose so  -1
2nd bet = 2 units  lose   so -3
3rd bet =  2 units win; let-it-ride so bet 4 units then lose  so -5
4th bet = 2 units,  win so let-it-ride = 4 units    lose so -7
5th bet = 3 units, win so let-it-ride =6 units      lose so -10
6th bet = 4 units, win so let-it-ride = 8 units     lose so -14
7th bet = 5 units, win so let-it-ride = 10 units  lose so -19

Note that on say the 5th bet, we were betting 3 units and win so our next bet is 6 units.  If we win we will have 12 units less the 3 units we started with for a 9 unit win -7 units we're behind from the 1st 4 bets and we are at a profit of +2.  Reset.

I recommend only betting a single time on the 1st 2 bets because a win on either bet nets us +1 and this is where we will accumulate most of our units. 

I like to make the progression net us a profit after a win on any level because we are risking more and more of our money so I like to get a reward for it, even if it's just a little reward.

GLC

[Colbster]

I played around with something like this about a year ago.  What I did was put singles on one side of a ledger and non-singles (streaks of any length) on the other side.  As one or the other occured, it would throw the ratio into unbalance and I would bet for it to return.  It was not better than any other gambler's fallacy method I have tested, but it did give some nice streaks along the way.