Is Advantage-play cheating?

[Bayes]

Just looking for opinions. Do you believe that APer's are cheating the casino by looking for biased wheels or using VB? Is it the casino's responsibility to make sure that APer's can't succeed? If they do succeed, are they making it tougher for the "regular" player?

An analogy: If you are running an insurance scam then the losses made by the insurance company are passed on to the customer in the form of higher premiums, but if a casino is losing money to an Advantage-play, how does this affect the regular player?

[Blood Angel]

Hi Bayes
In my opinion they are not "cheating". They are just looking for an edge the same as system players are.
Its just horses for courses.

[albalaha]

Dear Bayes,
I do not feel, there exists any Advantage play nowadays. Visual ballistics and Dealer's signature are vague concepts and quite debatable like ghosts but if there is a biased wheel and somehow one gets it, that would definitely be an advantage play. I do not think, it is cheating because one amongst thousand players can handle and benefit from it. If it is done regularly the casino will identify the problem and cure it.

[Bayes]

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm of the opinion that AP is NOT cheating, and that it's the casino's responsibility to make the wheels 'AP proof', but as long as the wheel is a physical, mechanical device, there will be weaknesses which can be exploited. Question is, is it worth the effort?

[iggiv]

if we talk on terms of the law it is legal i guess, then it is not cheating. using something that may influence the ball is cheating

[albalaha]

Actually advantage play is all about using special skills and knowledge which one acquires after hardwork. In such case it is not cheating but if someone tampers the game in someway or uses any device to take undue benefit then it should be cheating. Every player wants to earn.