Live Wheels VS RNG tables. The Debate... hosted by Thomas R. Grant

[ThomasGrant]

Ok, so here is the definitive discussion on this age old topic.

Live VS RNG

Alien VS Predator.

Alien VS Ninja...

Human VS Computer...

Man VS Beast...
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Forget the last 4.
Only having fun.
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Here is a question I would like to ask all those that prefer LIVE wheels.

Lets say you login to your LIVE wheel table.
You look at the history.
Now...
There is a few options on how you play.
You may base your play on wheel bias.
Or on dealer bias.
Or on a system that plays very well on a live wheel.
You play.
You win.

Or you lose.

Depending on what it is your basing your play on.

Now for my question.
Lets say you view the last x numbers form the LIVE wheel.
And base your play on that.

What is the difference if those same EXACT numbers would appear on a RNG table?

What then?
If you won on a live wheel with your play.
With those spins.
Then what would be the difference if for the same amount of spins.
And if the EXACT same numbers appeared on a RNG table.
Would there be a difference?
Hmmm....

Ahh but you may say that situation would not happen on a RNG table.
Why not?

Anyway...
Moving on.

RNG...
LIVE wheels.

Personally...
I see no difference.
But that is just me.

Lets take a look at a LIVE wheel.
Anywhere in the world.
Any casino.

Using any system or systems.
Or any wheel bias or dealer bias.
Or whatever you wish to employ.

Now...
How long have Casinos been operating?
How long has the game of Roulette been around?

Then...
How many have made a consistent living playing the game?

Not many...

RNG.
Same thing.

Here we are.
Living in the 21st century.
With computers that can process so much information.
We have very smart people doing hyper maths.
On things like galactic black holes. Quantum theory.
Super giants, dark matter and other theoretical stuff.
MIT students studying things that are out of this world.
Cray computers that can calculate the affects of atomic bombs.
Without exploding them.
And yet...
No solution to cracking the RNG algorithm.

Forums like this.
With many different ideas.
Many systems.
Yet... success still evades many.
Some win.
Some loose.

Even on a LIVE wheel.
Some claim they have been successful.
But are they over the long term.?

As I see it.
It is all about LUCK.

But that is just me.

I am sure you have your own opinion.
So please do share it.

Keep it clean.
Vote on what you think.

Say what you like.

This is an open mike post.

Only rude posts will be deleted.

Looking forward to hearing what you have to say on the subject.

[Twisteruk]

I believe there is less room for manipulation with a live wheel, so I prefer live.

I also believe, in the long term, all bet selections have the same outcome.


You may experience more wins with a System in the short term, but there is always one horror session waiting around the corner to suck up all your wins



Casino's would not exist if that were not true. Period.

[Fripper]

I play both.

Live wheels feels safer because you see everything (I think..)

RNG's can be very fast, so if you have a bit of a grind method then RNG is the way to go.
But most people say that RNG's cheat but how do we know? We can only speculate.

Cheers

[Twisteruk]

I play both.

Live wheels feels safer because you see everything (I think..)

RNG's can be very fast, so if you have a bit of a grind method then RNG is the way to go.
But most people say that RNG's cheat but how do we know? We can only speculate.

Cheers

Victor has posted evidence to show it happens.

I doubt it happens at reputable Casino's

BUT it only takes 1 or 2 numbers every now and then to make you lose,imo

[ThomasGrant]

Victor has posted evidence to show it happens.

I doubt it happens at reputable Casino's

BUT it only takes 1 or 2 numbers every now and then to make you lose,in my opinion

Hmmm....
Not sure you can call it evidence.
More like observations.

I know many have claimed that RNG cheats.
But that has not been my experience.

Some but very few. Would say that LIVE tables cheat.
I have heard of times when there is NO result.
Due to dealer error.
What happens then?
I would not call that cheating.
But human nature.

Casinos are out to WIN.

I stick to my original rule.

The house always wins.
In always. It wins.

So no matter if you win.
The house always wins.

The house wins in so many ways.
You go to the house to play.
They win with your deposit.
They win with you staying in the house.
No matter where the house is.
IT ALWAYS WINS...

If someone could show me one case where the house has lost.
I will go heeee.....

I mean apart from calamities.
Natural disasters.
Or acts of God.

Hmmm....
I may have to include corruption or closed due to outbreak of diseases.

LOL...

[iggiv]

Twister, it can be done so sophisticated that noone will ever be able to prove it. Remember, the software companies behind those RNGs can hire best programmers and mathematicians (and i think they do), best brains. So it can be done -- no doubt about it. And as u said, u don't have to increase house edge very much. Instead of 2.7 % u can make it 10-20%, u don't need  much more than this if u r a house, to make huge profits and make most of players be just miserable. All u have to do just introduce hidden algorithm reacting to player's bets sometimes (sometimes, not always). But if u  analyze those spins overall they still look perfectly random.
Just it happens that most players have bad luck

[Twisteruk]

Twister, it can be done so sophisticated that no one will ever be able to prove it.

All you have to do just introduce hidden algorithm reacting to player's bets sometimes (sometimes, not always). But if you  analyze those spins overall they still look perfectly random.

Indeed ! Ure not wrong mate 

[ADulay]

   Although the RNG games may be completely safe, legal, and perfectly random (whatever that is) I just can't shake the feeling that I'm literally playing against a computer instead of a real wheel with a real ball.   Or in my case a real shoe of 8 decks of cards.

   I do not claim that RNG games cheat, are manipulated or are in any way corrupt.

   I do claim that when playing on a LIVE table, I can see the game unfold in front of me and can be reasonably assured that my bets are NOT affecting the outcome of the game in any way.

  Think of it as a personal decision to gamble with my money in a live venue against the game.

  I am not a gambling degenerate and do not have to make wagers every day because they are available to me.   If I like the look and feel of the game, I'll play it.

  If I don't like it, I can live to play another day.

  But the next day will ALWAYS be on a live table.

  Respectfully submitted,

  AD (just my own personal opinion)