Overcoming Bias - The All in one system

[Lulloz]

I'm just curious to test my way of play with your spins.

Is possiible to have the txt file pls ?

Many thx.

[VLS]

A possible way  to go with something like this (guaranteeing transparency both sides) would be:

a) To publicly provide as many hash signatures of the text file file as possible (MD5, CRC, SHA... etc). This guarantees changing a single bit of the file would change all of the hashes, and it would be impossible to change the file to fool all of the hashes via a (theoretical) collision attack.

b) To provide numbers in the file 1 by 1, in a thread destined for it. Once the bets have been called the thread is closed and remains locked until the next number and bets.

c) Once the challenge ends the actual text file is released to the public and everybody can re-generate the hashes to be confident it is the exact same file they have been dealing with.

It doesn't get more transparent than going like this!

You can find several freeware hash generation programs at the link below:

link:://free-hash.qarchive.org/


The "Hash Calc" program should do a good job:

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Regards.
Victor

[The_Force]

Yes, the numbers should definitely come one at a time, because with with 5-10 different systems all in play, a single number could trigger multiple systems. But getting through 1000 numbers like that is gonna need more than 1 number a night, otherwise the challenge will last 3 years lol.

The hash idea sounds good. I mean, I don't have to be the one who gives the numbers. I can send the file to anyone not involved and they could post the numbers. Really don't mind.

The most important thing is that the people involved agree on the numbers to play and it's up to them how that's gonna work. So if all the players post their numbers based on their systems, someone needs to decide which ones to play (so it can be like "any number that is predicted by 5 or more of the systems") and then play them.

I also think that it should be flat betting, as we are looking to see if this increases accuracy, and not just whether you make a profit or not.

[Bayes]

TF,

Is there any particular reason why you want to use your personal numbers for this? I'm not suggesting anything fishy is going on, but wouldn't it be better to have some kind of link up with participants and play live spins in real time? just a suggestion. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding the point of the exercise.

[The_Force]

There is absolutely no reason why I need to use my numbers. I just suggested my numbers because I have quite a lot of Dublin bet live spins available, but of course we could use anyone's numbers (as long as they're definitely live spins).

The reason why we couldn't do this live is because as we have at least 5 people playing and at least 5 different systems, I can see that it will take quite a while for each person to figure out which numbers to place, then it will take more time to collectively decide which numbers to play. Remember, we are not just playing all the numbers that the systems predict, but we are only playing the numbers that the systems predict will be most likely and filtering out the least likely numbers.  I don't think there would be enough time in between spins if we were to do this live (hence why this would need to be programmed into a bot or something for it to be practical live).

But I'm open to suggestions of better ways for this to be done.

[Bayes]

Ok, I see your point. I don't see why anyone would "cheat", even if they happened to have some or all of your spins (which is extremely unlikely) because the idea is see what the results would be taking this approach.

[The_Force]

Yeah, it's in no one's interest to cheat. Although I stand to lose some money if they do well, I'd rather lose the money and find something useful.

Still waiting for the tipping service to get up and running first though.