My findings about Bet Voyager

[F_LAT_INO]

---As said earlier to me this is all science fiction,and logic tell me those mafia
   is taking you on.And hearing only part/as others embarrassed to admit it/
   of stories ppl./actual players/here tells me what is going on there.
   Neither you or Bayes are so naive to think otherwise but you have no choice.
  Money drills any wall.

[Twisteruk]

Thank you, Twister, for that explanation.  I'll try it.

Sam

Ok mate

I may not of explained the 0-35 numbers very clearly.
I always leave it at Zero, however if you change it is has this effect.
Say you changed it to 10 and then the first number out is 15. If you now check the checksum by clicking the Tick to show you your predermind numbers the number shown will be 5 NOT 15. This is because you chose to add 10 to all predertmind numbers.

I can see no use to this, but there you go its a function, for whatever reason, they offer.

When I used to use BVNZ I always left that at Zero then changed 10 to 60 and clicked New. You now have 60 snow like numbers !

[TwoCatSam]

Twister

Does not work.  I will include it in a movie about MOP's new system.

Sam

[Twisteruk]

OK I will watch see if I can see whats goin on

I just logged into BVNZ and its fine and workin this end 

[TwoCatSam]

Twister

I have figured it out...and it's amazing!!!

Bet Voyager can be accessed two ways, through your browser like Firefox or as a downloaded program.  My bot only works with the downloaded program.

The browser version of BV works just like you said it would, but the bot version will not change from 10.  Now, people from the front row to the nosebleed section, if that doesn't tell you something, I don't know what does.

When I get time, I will check my play-money account at BV on the dowloadable version and see if it's the same.  NOPE  Just went to my other computer and it does the same on the dummy account.

Sam

[Twisteruk]

Ah I see ! I only ever used the browser version

Wonder why the dl version is different......... 

[TwoCatSam]

Twister

The DL version is different because it is the one most bots run on.  They are taking money, hence the difference.

My opinion only............

Sam

What is needed is "El Switcho Boto" that changes systems when one makes a unit!!

[Twisteruk]

Ure not wrong Sam !

[TwoCatSam]

Twister

You know, I haven't seen it but I'll bet someone has a bot that does two things:  It alternates systems in mid-stream and it changes that SHA sequence.

Sam

[superman]

Neither you or Bayes are so naive to think otherwise but you have no choice

Nope we are not naive you are correct there, and yes we do have a choice, if I/we thought we were being cheated we wouldn't be there, funny though, when people lose they feel cheated!

@ Sam
The download version is full to the brim with bugs, it always has issues, be they disconnections or whatever, always use the browser version.

You know, I haven't seen it but I'll bet someone has a bot that does two things:  It alternates systems in mid-stream and it changes that SHA sequence

Not sure what you mean by the bold bit Sam?

Do you mean BV actually change the SHA during a set length run? if you do, you are wrong.

Please clarify because I have in the past monitored the SHA for 100s' of thousands of spins using different length segments from the default 10 numbers upto and including 60 which is the max, sadly due to HDD failure a few months ago I have lost all the data I had but I know I have done it.

Systems no matter what they are do NOT work on roulette long term, they only work within small windows of opportunity, sometimes those windows appear often enough for us to think we have a long term winner, other times there are very limited windows of opportunity. As many of you know I have tested many many systems over the years, my findings now are its not possible to bot a method of play that will win long term, understanding what is happening is the only way forward.

DISCLAIMER: I am not affiliated in anyway to BV LoL

[TwoCatSam]

I play at BV for one reason--no two--

1.  I win money
2.  I want to finally, once and for all, know if they cheat.

Man, do those statements seem mutually exclusive or paradoxical??

Superman

I mean that when a bot logs on, it changes the SHA number from 10 to 60 as you can do manually.  Then it knows it has 60 numbers that cannot be tampered with and has 60 bets to win money.  Then it could switch systems.

Sam

[Ralph]

I have heard many times, they say BV cheat, the reason is they test in fun mode, and win. They play then in real mode and lose.

You can win in fun and lose in real mode, and the opposite. Its the same play.

They do not agree, never thought about they got a bankroll in fun mode of thousends, and the deposit 100 making the same kind of play.

Last time I discuss this the person feeling cheated had won 300 in fun mode, were 1230 at most down. Lost his  deposit 70 Euro in real mode. Try to stake 1 Euro with a 70 bankroll, we can do, but the risk of losing it is much higher than if we stake 0.1 or 0.01.

When testing in fun mode, never use larger bankroll then you intend to use in real, otherwise it is not a fair test.  And remember every time you play and lose, it is not a reason to suspect cheating.

BV will  stand  a computer test for randomness in both modes, and I think some of you here have allready done it. Should a test fail, for sure it had been posted.

[TwoCatSam]

Ralph

Trust me, I have thought of those things.  Also of the human factor:  It is easy to bet play money and hard to bet real.  I have always said it may just be how the numbers run.  I've seen them run the same on real wheels.

Sam

[Bayes]

Sam,

It's possible that BV could cheat you in spite of the SHA, as mr.ore pointed out some time ago, but you can take simple precautions which would pretty much guarantee that they wouldn't succeed. The thing which seems to be overlooked is that it isn't easy to figure out how you're playing; Surely people don't seriously imagine that BV has staff whose job is to reverse engineer systems that punters may or may not be using? do you realise how difficult, expensive, and time consuming it would be to create software complex enough to even attempt that? And even if it could be done, they can't EVER know over how many spins you will be using the system. So the solution is simple: if you're paranoid, take several of your favourite systems and play them randomly, switching every 60 spins.

But, I think you've already figured that out. 

[maestro]

whatever you test on rng it has to be real money play if it is not do not waste your time...