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Does bet selection works?

Started by Ralph, Apr 11, 03:06 AM 2013

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Ralph

Does it matter how we select the bets?  I wrote a sentence using 21 letters, translate it to Morse and bet black for the line and red for the dot. I won all!!  I do not say BV sending Morse code, but it looks anything can work. We could as well as saying it is just a coincident or Bv are using information in the number stream, at least it happens, by chance.  The odds for this must be incredible small, just as no hits should have been.
The best way to fail, is not to try!

Sakura616

Hi Ralph,

you did this one time or you do it with a few sentences?


soggett

mathematically all bets are equal and there is no bet selection better nor worse, they are all the same
you won 21 times in a row - very nice
but you could have lost 21 times in a row too

I look at it this way
If for example an EC can sleep for lets say 30 spins - that means that you can win 30 times in a row and also lose 30 times in a row
therefore any bet selection on EC's can lose 30 times in a row and also win 30 times in a row (I am disregarding zero for the purpose of clearer explanation)
because red and black are esentially the same

that goes for any bet selection, location you bet

now thats the math view anyway

but you know we all dont like or use the math view on things  ;D ;D

for instance
you know repeaters, hot numbers very well, you tested and played them
if a number can sleep for 400+ spins then any selection when betting 1 number can lose 400+ spins in a row
but did you see that while testing repeaters or hot numbers?

I think there are better and worse bet selections, just have to be clever about it
repeaters, hot numbers, trends, sector betting, dealer signature, VB, ... I don't know, maybe in all (or some of) them lays the key

but then again if the game is really random then all of that doesn't matter and the "math boys" win

Just thinking out loud

anyone feel free to correct me
To beat the game you first have to realise you can't beat the game - then comes the hard part

Ralph

Quote from: Sakura616 on Apr 11, 04:15 AM 2013
Hi Ralph,

you did this one time or you do it with a few sentences?

I did a few times, the other were not timing so well, about what should be expected. But it is funny a random stream signal

"I want to win!"
The best way to fail, is not to try!

RouletteVixen

My point of view is this.

You can select any random numbers but the most important is to know WHEN to actually bet them. To do this successfully you have to study the distribution and I promise you, to do 1000 spins will not help you at all, you must have strings of 5000 to 10000 numbers consecutively. Then only can you calculate so some extent of success when to BET the numbers you have selected.

Why don't we do a test?  Lest take 5 strings of 10 random numbers, and test them with different calculations over 10 000 spins?

5 Forum members gives 10 random numbers, I will write something in Excel and we test it over 10000 a few times. You guys can also supply the spins.

Just an idea?
Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. ( Albert Einstein )

Turner

Perfect way to play random vs random. Play the last 6 numbers off the table next to you...on your table :twisted:

Ralph

Quote from: RouletteVixen on Apr 11, 05:46 AM 2013
My point of view is this.

You can select any random numbers but the most important is to know WHEN to actually bet them. To do this successfully you have to study the distribution and I promise you, to do 1000 spins will not help you at all, you must have strings of 5000 to 10000 numbers consecutively. Then only can you calculate so some extent of success when to BET the numbers you have selected.

Why don't we do a test?  Lest take 5 strings of 10 random numbers, and test them with different calculations over 10 000 spins?

5 Forum members gives 10 random numbers, I will write something in Excel and we test it over 10000 a few times. You guys can also supply the spins.

Just an idea?

I am agraid you miss the point of this post!
The best way to fail, is not to try!

RouletteVixen

I am afraid I did not.

The question is does bet selection work?

It does, if you KNOW when to play the selected bet, else it does and cannot work.

Maybe you missed the point of my reply?
Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. ( Albert Einstein )

TwoCatSam

Ralph

I feel bet selection is important and not all EC bets have the same chance of winning at any given time.  As I type that, I know it flies in the face of reality.  I'm not sure Vixen totally misses the point.

My example is this:  Suppose red has hit the last ten spins.  People take notice.  Now fifteen spins.  Now twenty.  We have twenty reds in a row.  Logic and math says the next spin has the same chance of being red or black.

At what point do we throw that out the window?

Two guys:

"Nothing to keep red from hitting forever!"
"That ain't gonna happen!"

Sad thing is, both are right.  But in our heart of hearts, we full well know black is due.  After 25 reds in a row, we are sure black is due.  Why?  Because red simply cannot keep on beating the odds indefinitely!  Never has happened; never will.

So we can say black is due.  And more due.  And more due........and so on.  And deep down inside us--we really know it's true!

Now we must find that situation where an EC is due--just as due as that black--except we don't have to wait half a lifetime for it to occur.  Then we have something to wake the rooster up about.

Sam
If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

Buffster

I consider my bet selection very good. It's very well thought out and it's not too systematical that the casino knows exactly what I'm going to bet on next. It's a 2 to 1 bet and it does very well. I play Doz and Cols ( 20 numbers ) per bet and play every bet. No VIRTUALS.

But let me tell you that when that run from hell hits, there's not much you can do about it. I can withstand a 25 number sequence of fairly bad hits and yet not break the bank.

All this to say that Random is Random.


Buffster

RouletteVixen

@ Buffster

Please enlighten us as to how you select your bets. Sounds interesting...


@ Sam

You said it all
Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. ( Albert Einstein )

Ralph

The point of my post was the rare coincident a random number stream could hold information, as for example a Morse readable messenger.
That's just by chance and very unlikely.

We can have more ore less clever bet selection, we can believe it works or not. Our experience from it convicts us about its value.
Any who can select a bet on an EC more than the probability on NOZ, has to have earn millions from the game allready. If not we see more than there are.  Everybody claim an edge from bet selection methods, has to win large. A bet selection and a method is a framework so we stay with some rules, it make us not win more, rather lose less as we have rules to protect in the best case.

The methods and selections is the way we do our guessing.
The best way to fail, is not to try!

TwoCatSam

Ralph

I have thought to assign musical values to ECs.  You could have two notes play and then pick one of the six ECs that would sound the best.  Naturally the first two notes would have to be random and somewhat symphonic with each other.  No cacophony!!

Way too silly!

@Vixen

I usually say too much!!

Sam
If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

Ralph

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Apr 11, 11:38 AM 2013
Ralph

I have thought to assign musical values to ECs.  You could have two notes play and then pick one of the six ECs that would sound the best.  Naturally the first two notes would have to be random and somewhat symphonic with each other.  No cacophony!!

Way too silly!

Sam

Sam it may work but as we say "not in the lon run"!  :twisted:

I just made 10 Euro betting the last number and last color flat using 0.1, if it should allways work, and I could for sure make just four units a day, it should take me a month to get 50000 Euro, as I could increase  the unit every four days and end using maxbet at the last four days. starting with 200 Euro.

I think I should be happy with that I got! The loss was on multball wheel, I do not like the red even if they are not big figures.
The best way to fail, is not to try!

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