"THE EPHIFANY" doz/column bet

[Tomla021]

I have no idea? I play brick and mortar!

[Tomla021]

and I don't think you can win every time--but when the wins go--judge it

[rouletteKEY]

If the bankroll is sufficient and the bet selection is solid a Fibo progression might not be a bad idea and decide on a win to drop back just one or two positions.  With a Fibo you can get some big bets but if the bet selection gives you streaks of wins (which following the last does a lot in dozens and columns) you might wanna look at the Fibo on paper...just a thought.

It would require a big bank if you aren't using stop-losses

[Tomla021]

Why Fibonacci something when you don't have to.? Your going to win 8 out of 10 sessions why go crazy?

[rouletteKEY]

Maybe I didn't read the thread completely enough...it sounded like you were only going out 9 bets which isn't a ton of money on a Fibo...although that's the first I had seen regarding winning 8 of 10 sessions.

Theory was that the Fibo doesn't climb that quickly in the beginning...so if you lose 6 or 8 in a row you're not in a ton of trouble right out of the gate.  But by the same token...if you do lose quite a few in a row to begin...a couple wins has a very nice profit, so long as you have the staying power.

It's possible we just look at progressions completely different.  It was just a suggestion. 

I usually only play one or two inside numbers so I have alot of dead time at a table...I can wait for a situation where, in this case, nothing repeats for 6,9 or 12 spins and then after a dozen or column repeats...start my session at that point.  I would not be a continuous player on this type of method. 

Different ideologies, style of play and MM. 

My style doesn't fit the vast majority of players...too boring for most

[Tomla021]

Hey Im not against the idea ---what are the numbers on a 1 dozen Fibo for 9 steps? so i can compare. I know the numbers for an ec fibo

[rouletteKEY]

Fibo would be the same (at least it is for me) whether you play EC's or anything else...the only modification I can think of is because it pays twice as much to repeat each bet on the way thru it if you wanted to take some risk out of it 1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3 etc. instead of 1,1,2,3,5,8,13.  But that takes the profit out of it too to a great extent...and we are playing for profit...not for fun...me anyways.

For me...if I had confidence in the bet selection...I would set a stop loss and play it through and if it hit the stop-loss maybe continue at a later starting point from half-way up the ladder I just fell off of.

As an aside...I have lost the most money in the past by not following thru on the plan and not making the bets that were called for because I got timid.  Once I got that all behind me it's been much better.  Not to say I always win...I don't.  But suckin' it up and laying down the bet when it calls for it wins more than it loses...for me anyways.  And yes...I am aware all good things come to an end.

[GLC]

Fibo would be the same (at least it is for me) whether you play ECs or anything else...the only modification I can think of is because it pays twice as much to repeat each bet on the way thru it if you wanted to take some risk out of it 1,1,1,1,2,2,3,3 etc. instead of 1,1,2,3,5,8,13.  But that takes the profit out of it too to a great extent...and we are playing for profit...not for fun...me anyways.

Tom,  a true fibo is based on 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55-89 for even chances.  When you win, your next bet is to drop back 1 step.  This will give you a small profit of 1 unit for each double win.   The 1-1-1-1-2-2-3-3-5-5-8-8-13-13 etc... is correct for a true fibo on the dozens.  We still need a double win.  So if we're betting our 2nd 5 unit bet it means we were down 19 units after losing the 1st 5 unit bet.  A win on the 2nd 5 unit bet reduces our amount in the hole by 10 which leaves us 9 units down (19-10).  We drop back one step which will be the 1st 5 unit bet and a win on this bet will net us our +1 unit (10-9=1).  Maybe not such a big win as playing 1-1-2-3-5-8-13-21 etc... but the bets don't get so large as quickly either.  So we have to decide our playing style, more risk for a larger win or less risk for a smaller win.

I already know your preference, especially when having to play at larger minimum bet tables.  It gets a little tough to push the risk factor when betting $10 to $25 units.

[Ralph]

If we are able to select a dozen and hit a bit over a 1/3 of the times, we will slowly win flat, and in such case it is far better using a larger chip than a progression like fib. Even if we see we manage to win a fraction more than one third of the spins, it will come situations with a longer losing streak.

If it goes to table max or hard for the BR, we can spoil weeks of winnings fast .

One other disadvantages with negative progressions is we bet too low on a winning streak and more on a losing. Progression players using fib use to start at min bet. Flat bettors use to have larger value and go for a few.

I never success flat betting, but know some who can do well with  25 dollar chip and more, I see them waiting for something and cash in about 100 dollars every attempt (near) a few times during the evning.

[Jeromin]

As an aside...I have lost the most money in the past by not following thru on the plan and not making the bets that were called for because I got timid.  Once I got that all behind me it's been much better.  Not to say I always win...I don't.  But suckin' it up and laying down the bet when it calls for it wins more than it loses...for me anyways.  And yes...I am aware all good things come to an end.

That's so true. You get to the last section of a progression that looked great on paper, realize you're not comfortable playing that size bets with real money, plus the multiple losses are denting your confidence on your bet selection. So you chicken out, call yourself sensible, and watch how the trend reverses and the progression you didn't play out recovers all the losses... on paper.

The only cure is a big bankroll. How big? Big enough that you don't find yourself worrying. At the same time, the unit size needs to be small enough that you can afford to lose the entire bankroll.

Jeromin

[Tomla021]

yea that always bugged me on e/c fibos ,,,,,,Im only playing this after winning other chips earlier and its fun for a "fait accompli"